October 6, 2025 • 37 mins
MMQB with HUGH MILLEN We start by looking at the five phases of the game yesterday- how did they run the ball? How did they defend the run? How did they throw the ball? How did they kick the ball? How did they defends the pass? Hugh dives in,,, Yesterday’s loss to the Bucs was a shootout, so what happened to the defense and how was Baker Mayfield allowed so much time and space? :30- We continue with MMQB as Hugh gives us his thoughts on Sam Darnold’s performance yesterday. :45- We wrap up MMQB with Hugh and ask him for some last thoughts on what he saw yesterday, including a Jalen Milroe appearance.
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Here's Chuckin' buck ah.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, good morning everybody, Happy Monday to you all. What
a weekend, my goodness, So what a weekend? And here
we are all assembled on a Monday to talk about it.
Ashley Ryan's here, former Mariner, Bucky Jacobson. My name is
Chuck Powell. We are going to do Mariners baseball for
a nine o'clock hour today? No coach today, but man,
we can't go a Monday, not after that football game
(01:12):
at Loomanfield yesterday without hearing from our QB one. So
Hugh Millan is with us from now until nine o'clock
this morning. Good morning, QB one, Good morning.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Uh? We're good, But that sounded a little exasperated. Did
you just finish a film session of frustration? Is that
what we're greeting being greeted with this morning?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well? I feel like it's like getting a sweetish massage
at a luxury spa, and then you know, I also
have my ankles in a bear trap, you know, I
mean this is a very conflicting week. So somewhere else massage. Well,
you know, I could have gone another out, but it's
(01:55):
a family show, so.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
You should try. Yeah, you should try one of their
different packages. Yeah exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, the budget packages ain't working for me.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Bear trap ankle massage doesn't sound good.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well, thirty eight to thirty five loss to the Buccaneers,
high scoring affair. It was almost thirty points over the
over under yesterday. Where does the conversation start with you?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
This morning. Well, you know, playing for Dawn James, he
used to say there's three phases of football, offense, defense,
and special teams, and he got to win two of three.
And you know, initially when he got established as the
Husky coach, he was renowned around the country for you know,
this remarkable kicking game. And and you know, in deference
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to the man I respect more than anybody in my life,
including my own father. I'm going to say I don't
quite agree with DJ in that I've given it a thought.
I think due to the binary nature of scrimmage plays,
I think it's and I felt this way for decades.
I think it's about one fifth. I think how you
run it is one fifth. How you throw it, how
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you defend the run is one fifth, how you defend
the pass, and special teams. I'm gonna back off DJ.
Instead of thirty three percent, I think it's about twenty percent.
So look, he's probably right, but just work with me
for the sake of the discussion. I think they're all
about one fifth. Think about this. Think about the four
phases for the for the Seahawks, how did they run
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the ball well? The running backs nineteen carries one hundred
and twenty two. They had six point four yards. How
did you defend the run Tampa Bay running backs that
only had nineteen carries for forty one yards, So same
number carries one hundred and twenty two for Seattle, forty
one for Tampa. They have a two point two average.
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How do you throw the ball, well, Sam Darnold, I
mean good god, yeah, yeah, three hundred and forty yards
and one hundred and thirty five passer rating. How about
the kicking game, Well, look, you could say it's a draw,
but you had you had two kickoff return the forty
one yard line, one of the forty six yard line.
You down a punt inside the six. Now you missed
a field goal they down inside the one. Let's be charitable,
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the charitable to the Buccaneers to call that a draw. Now,
let's get to the pass defense. The pass defense is
so was so dreadful, the twenty percent of football was
so dreadful. And you know third and thirteen to seventeen
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the NFL over the last three years, you combined, the
conversion rate between thirteen and seventeen yards is thirteen and
a half percent. The Buccaneers go three for four. The
chance of that, I've just ran the math because I'm
a geek. The chance of something that has a thirteen
point five percent probability of happening three or more times
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out of four opportunities. That's a point eighty eight percent chance.
That's less than one in one hundred. That's the best.
That's the defense you saw overall on third down five
of seven for Baker Mayfield in passing, but also two scrambles.
I mean, just look, you saw it. They were shredding
the defensive line for the Seahawks. When did one person
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make their presence other than Byron Murphy hitting the quarterback
low in fifteen yards, Leonard Williams doing a headbutt after
the play, drawing a personal foul, Like the defensive line
was non existent, the pass rush, the ends, I mean,
we talked on Friday. The right tackle is in a
sixth year and he's had a worse Pro Football Focus
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grade in every year. In his grade, this year's thirty six, Like,
how do you not beat him? Tristan Wurfs is a
great left tackle, but he's he was on the pups
coming off a knee as his grades are twenty five
points lower than the average, Like how do you not
get any pressure Baker Mayfield. It looked like seven on
seven football, and on all these big plays. You just
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go back and you watch the tape, which I have,
and there's not there's not anybody that is touching Baker
Mayfield for the most part. There's nobody who would touch
him with a tennis racket. There's nobody who would touch
him with a fly rod. Like there's like he's just
back there. It's literally seven on seven, which is football
without lineman. So at any event, I just think, you
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know that I was at the Cardinal game going into
the fourth quarter when the Cardinals only had three points.
I was going, this defense is just on pace to be,
you know, just epic. And then they had the collapse
against the Cardinals in the fourth quarter. And then now
whatever you saw Sunday, it's just like it is a
complete uh uh destruction. And and so everybody's got it's
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got to be all hands on deck. It is totally
broken right now in the past defense department in all phases.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Well, I mean so then if you if you're not
getting pressure on him, then be really difficult, regardless of
who's in your defensive backfield to cover for very long
and just considering the way in which the rules are
set up, you can't do a whole heck of a
lot of tugging and touching back there. So I mean,
how much of the lack of past defense, the way
in which it looked like a seven on seven for
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Baker Mayfield, how much of that is because of the
backups that were in there with Spoon and Love being out.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, I think it's it's some of it. I mean,
you know, the biggest play of the game, well, I'll
say the longest game when you remember Ameca Buca that
out and up on you know that was third and
thirteen and they get fifty seven yards. I mean the
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four guys rushing, yeah, from left to right, Nuoso, Leonard Williams,
Byron Murphy and Boy Maffey. That should be that's like
going into training camp. That like, that's your all star four.
Like if you had one play win a game, you
might pick those guys right based on their history. And
Baker Mayfield, he takes a five step drops from shotgun,
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which is the cool one of seven step drop plus
three hitches and he's got this clean lane. So and
on that play, you know you mentioned the injuries, So
I think that's pivotal. You've got you've got a second
third string cornerback over there that you're trying to protect
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in Me andm I Pritchett, right, So you're trying to
roll the safety over the top and play a coverage
I'm calling kick six cover six kick, which means you
roll to the strong side and you have a safety
of the top. But that leaves one on one with
Job against a mecha Buca, and a mecha Buka has
free access, so he's gonna run up on you. Even
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though it's third and twelve. He's gonna fake the sixth step,
speed out, third inside step, which Job has to honor
because because you know he could go over the and
complete that thing for twelve yards. But Mecca runs an
amazing route one step instead of three on his out
and up. He makes that decision on the fly. He's
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up the top and there's no safety over the help
because you're rolling it. And and by the way, you
know they they coached Okada. He was he was in
a term called poachs where he's looking to the three
receiver side. There wasn't any real threat there. He could
have backed off so you got ocada number of times
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just kind of you know, poor instincts and you give
up a fifty seven yard But to answer your question,
that would be an example of yes, you're trying to
cover for a backup corner, but you know what, the
Buccaneers at backup corners as well.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Hugh Melani is with us SARK QB one Monday morning
quarterback session. We're going an hour with Hugh today on
yesterday's loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers thirty eight to
thirty five, a game in which Sam Darnold and Baker
Mayfield put on a show yesterday. And look, I don't
know we'll go chronologically through some of these plays that
Mayfield made against our defense, but certainly the one that
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I circled is that drive right before the two minute marker,
Right around the two minute mark of the game. I mean,
that was about as easy as it gets. I mean,
you go five plays, you complete four out of five passes,
you go seventy yards. I mean, you just knifed through
the second best defense in terms of points allowed in
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the National Football League with really very little resistance at all.
From the twenty five yarder to Abuka to the twenty
five yard er to Autun to the touchdown to Shepherd.
I mean that drive just way too easy and sort
of emblematic of what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, And you know, as I'm looking at all the
big plays, you've got the coverages, they're all different. I
mean you got cover six, Cover thirty three, Tampa two,
Cover Sick, Cover one, Robbert Cover thirty three, Blaze, like
these are my terminology, but but it's all different. But
on that on that first one to Abuca, you've got
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uh u uh, the Seahorks are and playing a cover six,
which is a role to the to one half and
and then you're playing quarters. That might not mean anything did,
but it's a it's a it's a a rolled covered zone.
But you've got to have a hole. There's a hole
there between Ernest Jones and Tyree s Knight that is
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just way too wide and and Tyree Knight he reacts up. Uh.
It's kind of a sucker play where you you have
a little hitch in front of you at five yards,
but then you got a Mecca Abuka in behind you,
and so you have you have too much of a
reaction by night and so a mecha Buka comes wide
open into this hole. And and as I said, night was,
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Jones was pushing too far to the three receiver side
for that cover. He was playing as this for the
football coaches out there, as if there was quarters on
both sides and there's only three under but he's got
a corner to one side, so he doesn't have to
push as far to the three receiver side anyways, huge
hole there, but that's a zone coverage breakdown and and
poor communication. And then on the on the autumn they
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have uh for twenty five yards that that that you
just mentioned. They're in cover one with a robber with
a safety coming down. That's what the robbers. So you
get a deep safety and a shallow safety. Everybody else
is man to man to to Baker Mayfield's right, he's
got three receivers. Ernest Jones is the inside. So so
Ernest Jones he has he he has man a man.
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His guy goes out. Emon Worry is the next guy
outside of him, and he goes to transfer and as
this and as if to say, Emon Worry, you take
that guy. I'll take your guy because they're crossing. I'll
take what's called the final number three. The the third
receiver counting from the outside. Ernest Jones was saying, I'll
take final three, you take two. But that's not what happened.
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You had Emon Worry didn't take the two to the flat,
and so you had two guys covering three again counting
outside in. And then when Baker Mayfield on you know
that was a common theme and critical downs, he can't
keep him contained and so he breaks the pocket. And
now all of a sudden he looks over and he
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sees ought like, oh, they're in mand of man coverage.
What's by the way, they played less than a handful
of times the whole game, but they're in mand and
man for one of the very rare times on either
tape or in this game. And they busted nobody's covering
at and I'll just dump it to him in the flat,
and of course he gets the twenty five yards and
then the final the touchdown that was also man and man.
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But you let him out of the pocket. And you
know what the NFL in their stat portal, I looked
it up. The NFL has it officially five point one seconds.
Let me tell you something. You can't play man and
man for five point one seconds. That is on the
pass rush, you've got to contain and so I don't
put You know, Baker Mayfield, you know what when he
sees something developing off script, he's got the guts. He
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plays with no fear and he just you know a
lot of quarterbacks with second guess, Hey do I really
have it? Is the safety going to loom over? He
saw it was open, he knifed it in there, got
the touchdown. But you can't let him outside the pocket
and give him five point one seconds?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Well, how I mean, you've kind of discussed a lot
of different stuff and I'm following where you're at. But
if they're having a hard time getting to the quarterback,
which then means you got to try to cover for longer,
which you can't do. So now you're gonna catch twenty
two Because it seemed to me like they were picking
apart in the zone that they were running on a
zone and they were picking it apart. Did they have
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to run the zone because they were trying to send
extra guys to get to the quarterbacks so they didn't
have to try to cover for six seconds?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well, they only they only rushed blitzed four times and
a five or five or more four times, and where's
my stats on it was? It was three for four
for I think sixty Yeah. Here it is three for
four sixty eight yards in a touchdown. So when they
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did blitz, it wasn't effective. I mean one of them,
one of those wide open the middle was a it
was a three under and two deep. They rushed six
and they tried to play zone with I just can't
express to you enough. If you don't know a lot
of football, standard zone is seven guys, could be three deep,
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four under, could be four deep, three under, could be
two deep, five underd but standard zone is five. Sometimes
a lot of teams play with eight zone. You drop eight,
rush three. The idea that you would play zone with
just five guys. The holes are so gigantic, and yet
you don't get to the You better get to the
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quarterback fast. So the Buccaneers did a great job of
past protection, I mean a great job and uh so, yeah,
there was a two deep three underzone. I looked up
the like, how often does the NFL do that? There's
been five attempts this season in all of the NFL
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twenty three for all of last season running a two
deep three under zone it's a very uncommon coverage. And
guess what, Baker Mayfield, you know, just shredded it. I mean,
you know, I would love to have you. You know, look,
I'm just you know, hacked journeyman, but I would love
to have you play a five man zone. You know,
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bring the pressure. I'll get rid of it quick. There's
gonna be so many gigantic holes back there that as
long as I have an awareness of, like, hey, somebody's
got to pop open, just get rid of the damn ball,
put my back foot in the ground and just throw
it somewhere, you're gonna find somebody open. So yeah, yeah,
I mean they were doing a lot of things, trying
to to make amends for their injuries, and you know,
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Emon worried. You know, he made some nice plays, but
you know there was a big dagger play on a
third what was it, third and thirteen. I don't know
who's number fifteen chuck for them, but a big dagger
play and Emon, yeah, uh, Emon Worry. And the you know,
it's a five under defense and he's the cruel defender,
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so you're thrown over here, Emon Worry kind of he
gets sucked up on a on on a shallow defender.
That's what you're That's kind of the essence of zone
coverage when you're trying to hit it intermediate, show somebody
shallow to get your attention because that's where your eyes are.
You don't have eyes in the back of your head.
And then uh and then run somebody in behind your
helmet and and so that was just happening too often.
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I mean, uh, I know, we're getting close to the end.
So so let me let me just take myself to
that the touchdown pass that that that a Mecca had
in the in the back of the end zone, right, yes, yeah,
third third and fifteen from the twenty yard line, and okay,
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so balls on the left hash and this, by the way,
was the same pass concept that that Tampa Bay beat
the Falcons with it with a minute to go. So
I promise you they looked at this tape. I promised
to you that they on Friday, which is red zone Day,
I promised you they ran this play. Now, the plan
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was in that play against Atlanta, the corner had been
off coverage. They allowed a Mecca, who's the widest receiver,
the number one receiver. It's trips right from Baker Macer's
field's perspective, it's left hash and my number one receiver
is a mecho again number one mean meaning not Jersey number.
Not that he's the best, but he's the closest to
the sideline. And against Atlanta he gets free access. He
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nods in and that coverage he's able to take it
over the top to the post. The Seahawks played that coverage,
but they said, well, let's press and so but again
you've got Pritchett. He presses and he barely gets any
any jam at the line of scrimmage. He allows an
inside release and then and then the safety to that side.
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This is a this is a cover four beater, a
quarters beater to that side, which means there's a safety
on that side. But he's not. He he's got to
play man to man if the slot receiver comes in
up on him on depth and and and and yet
the way the way the coverage, oh gosh, I wish
I had a whiteboard here. This is how it breaks down.
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You have you have Kobe Bryant is the safety on
that side. He has the slot receiver come up on him,
so he carried uh, he covers him. But there's he
has help from the other side. In Okada, the term
is called poach. Poach is where Ocada is going to
be lined up on the single receiver side, away from
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the trips. Again from the offensive perspectives trips right, Okada
is going to read anybody crossing over because the the
split out on Okada side runs a shallow cross, so
there's nothing vertical. So so if Kobe Bryant, as a veteran,
would say, he should be able to feel like, Okay,
I know I'm gonna get help from Okada. You can
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pause the tape on that a Meca touchdown, and you
could say, Ernest Jones does a beautiful job of handing
off the flat to UH to aim and worry and
getting back underneath the slot UH inside breaking route. So
Ernest Jones does a great job. Ocada does a great
job approaching. It's not a hard job because the man
over him doesn't go vertical. The man that runs a
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shallow cross. It's but Kobe Bryant, he he he knife
see it on the slot as if it's it's pure
man to man. And so there's you could from the
end zone. You could pause the tape through we got
three guys covering the slot. But we got Pretchett, man
and man against the mecca. Does that make sense to you?
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Let me say that again, three guys covering the middle
guy I think it was godwins. So he's a pretty
good receiver. But then one on one with no like
on a post where by the way, Pritchett allows an
inside release on an inbreaking route, so he's got poor
leverage just from the jump. And and so I promise
you they practiced that because of that touchdown the game
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winner against the Falcons, and and they still didn't execute
it with third and fifteen at the twenty, and so
you know, it was just that kind of day. And
I mean there's a long list of stuff. I got
a Baker Mayfield, you know, quick blitzes or quick pressure.
He just hits the slot, little hits for six or
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seven yards, keep the chains moving. I mean there, you know,
what were they on third downs for a team? I
mean I mentioned the past stats, but you know that
they were seven four level sixty four percent. That's you know,
you know, if you go sixty four percent by a
seat for the season, you'll be number one in the
NFL by ten points. Like you'll lap the field. If
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you do that, that's that's how bad Seattle was. So
at any event you saw it, there's there's there's so
many breakdowns. But Seattle tried a lot of stuff. I'm
gonna tell you that that mostly zone, But they tried
a lot of stuff and they just did not communicate
route concepts. Well whatsoever. Lot I was sitting there saying,
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you couldn't you couldn't hit Baker Makefield with the tennis
record or whatever the hell out you know a lacrosse
defenceman's racket which is bucky you no longer than a
regular racket, right like. But you could also say the
same thing for guys catching the ball down the field.
At the moment they touched the ball, freeze the tape,
there's nobody around them. It was just an utter, catastrophic
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breakdown in past defense.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Well, Baker may the numbers reflect at twenty nine for
thirty three three and seventy nine yards two touchdowns. But
our guy put up some pretty fat numbers as well.
So we'll talk talk about Sam Darnold, including that late
interception next with Hugh mellon Monday Morning Quarterback session rolls on.
All right, we got some Mariners stalk coming away in
the nine o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
We'll go all Mariners nine o'clock.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Ryan Healy's gonna join us at nine thirty. We'll break
down the weekend for you there. But of course we're
doing a little Monday Morning Quarterback session as well, or
QB one. Hugh Millan is with us for this hour.
We've gotten through the porous defense portion of this hour,
and now let's talk about our quarterback, who was brilliant yesterday.
Twenty eight completions, thirty four attempts, three hundred and forty
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one passing yards, four touchdowns, but then a costly interception
at the end of the game which destroyed a drive
in any chance of winning the game. Sam was great,
Hugh yesterday. How much blame do we have to put
on him for that pick in a crucial moment.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Well, I think there's some blamed for sure. We'll get
to that. I think in the postgame show, you know,
you see it live and then you see the uh
the replay. And I think Trent Green is a really
good guy. I think he's very thin in his analysis,
and and you know, the way they showed it, it
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looked like there was a cream off the buccaneer helmet,
and and you know he was intending to go to
point A to point b uh and and so I
think that had it not hit the buccaneer's helmet, I
think that he dirts the ball lands on the ground.
It was second and one fifty eight seconds remaining, and
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you're trying to go down and get a field goal, right,
and but you know a couple of things going on
there from a quarterback perspective. If I if I'll take
you into what the quarterback meeting room would look like.
They it squeezed formations where you had a Cooper cup
down in close to the left tackle cross that there,
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there's there's a four down lineman and and then there's
four second layered defenders. The protection that Seattle was in
was is a very common protection where you basically say, hey,
we got we got a six man protection. We're gonna
send the center to the right and the back charbonnet
is gonna who's lined up on the left, he has
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he has any blitzer off the left side, and so
in that in that protection, you you definitely think of
it like I got three strong and I got three
week So if they bring four strong or four week.
I got trouble, got me and so and and so
the weak side would be in this case would be
Darnold's left side, the side to the running back because
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the tight end is to the right, even though he's
not blocking. So so, so I'm just saying how we
would talk in a quarterback meeting room. Okay, we we
got three, we got three week handled, we got four.
We we can't handle four week. They they they blitzed,
you know, a veteran safety coming off the edge, and
that constitutes four week. And so now you say you've
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got to throw it to You got to throw the
to the hot to the side of where they're blitzing,
because it can get really dangerous to say, well, I've
got four week, but I'm gonna throw the hot away.
I'm gonna turn my eyes away from that. That is
generally not how your coach. So so Darnold, he said
he could have thrown it to Horton out out on
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an out route to the right side. That's true. And
if a guy comes from depth, there are times you
can break the rule. It's like E before E except
after C. Right, you've heard that, Well, there's a ton
of words that that break that rule. I'll give you
one science. So let's break down the science of this play.
Had Tory Hart Horton, he is playing with his inside
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leg back, so on his speed out, it's either you
know what, usually it's your inside leg is forward, and
it's either a four step or six step out. Like
I'd said a mecha book. On that six step out
out and up, it's a gray area, Chuck buck that
if you have a five step speed out, whether I
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can recognize I have pressure off my left, but I'm
gonna throw to wide open receiver. The Buccaneers are going
a three D three under zone, and so trying to
throw to Horton, Then what happens if he gets ear
hold and he's looking behind. I mean, you already had
a situation a fumble against the forty nine ers where
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Donald was looking to his left. Now it wasn't a blitz.
It wasn't on Donald Abe Lucas got forklift, and I
don't understand how people can blame that on Sam Darnald.
He's in the process of throwing if his hand gets hit.
He's not a running back. You don't hold him to
the same standard of a running back. That he fumbled
to say that he choked at the end of that game.
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I mean, I'm just I'm gonna wear out my forehead
with my palm on that assertion. But again to the
point of you want to be throwing into the pressure.
And so Cooper up, he runs a little And by
the way, nice job of designing by the Buccaneers. They
take a page out of Mike McDonald's play. But because
the guy who's on IF again quarterback meeting room, Sam,
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who's who's the curl flat defender on our left? We
got three deep three under it. Curl flat is is
is shallowing to my left, curl flat shallowing to the right,
and then we got a hook zone defender in the middle.
Those are the three shallow defenders. The the curl flat
player to my left, Donald's left. He started from the
b gap on on on the right side of the
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and so the DeVante David is on my right, but
he's buzzing out all the way to look, that's Mike
McDonald's stuff right there. And and so he gets to
a spot he jams up Cooper Cup. I thought Cup
should have you know, he he knew it was a blitz.
He should have not tried to get more depth, so
he tried to go up the field at the time David.
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By the way David grabbed his shoulder should have been
uh uh, defensive holding should be like like that official
will get a minus a double minus because he missed
that the LaMonte Dort just yanked. He materially impeded his progress.
So at any rate, so now Donald is coming up,
He's just trying to dirt the ball and he throws
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it and it's just you know what, sometimes, as I
said last night in the post game, philosophically, you have
to decide his luck part of sports and and and
how do you feel about luck? Is luck? Part of baseball?
Is luck part of golf? Like like you you you
know you at the British Open, you you miss uh
clearing the bunker by six inches. They would have rolled fine,
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but you plug it, you know, six inches below like
like you said, well it's a bad shot. Well it's
also a little bit unlucky, right, Like, so where does
luck play? Sam Donald had the ball kareem off that
he was throwing it to point A in space, and
the kareem off the helmet caused the ball to go
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to point B, and I think it was an enough
to mean an interception. But there's a lot going on there.
I tried to describe some of the elements. But from
a quarterback perspective, he's going to say, well, I wish
I would have directed a different protection. But guess what
there was the threat because of the squeeze formation. There
was a thread of four week to the left side,
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and there was a thread of four strong. So if
he had to handle that, if you knew in the
aftermath that they were gonna run that blitzwell you'd say,
I'm gonna call my protection where I put my center
to the left and my back to the left. Now
I can handle four week, but I but I cannot
handle three strong to the right. If I can't handle
three strong, obviously they're only you know, my right guard
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and right tackle. That's my two on my right, But
I can't handle another one's That would be Monday morning. Quarterback, say, Sam,
you should have said sent the center and a running
back to the left side, because then you could have
handled the four week. Well, guess what, they could have
ran three strong. They could have ran four strong, and
then you would add the same problem right just on
a different side, So you know, it's just kind of
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one of those things that happens in ball, and it
happened at the wrong time for CP. Yeah, no doubt
about it.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Otherwise, he was just a tremendous More on the quarterbacks,
and our final segment of Monday Morning Quarterback Today coming
up on the other side. Hre Millin with US Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, all right, just one
(31:28):
more segment of but Monday Morning Quarterback Today. We're gonna
talk to baseball in our nine o'clock hour, But we
had to lean on our QB one to talk about
that thrilling loss, unfortunately to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Seventy
three points put on the board. Unfortunately the Buccaneers end
up with three points more, thirty eight to thirty five
the final. But man, what a show put on by
former Carolina Panthers teammates Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield. We've
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already talked about what Mayfield did to our defense. Sam
did similar things to theirs.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Hugh, Yeah, and I think that we're seeing that the
idea that he could really be the Seahak quarterback for
a long time. You know, he just freshly turned twenty eight.
I mean he has a fifty three yard or that
seam route that he threw it to JSN. He threw
that so early because it was a safety high and
deep at the anticipation. Beautiful ball that boot left though,
the one he hit to Derek Young where he got
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his arm hit for thirty six yards over by the sideline.
I mean, what's the probability on that with that running
to his left with the guy in his face. Unbelievable
degree of difficulty. How about the over route to Cooper
Cup and man coverage where he had to step up
He wasn't even on balance. And now, hell of a
catch by Cup over by the Sea Owks sideline. But
that's a man to man beater twenty four yards. The
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boot left. One play, he had a boot left where
he had to pull up right in a quarterback pull up.
He goes to the fourth receiver. It's his JSN on
the backside end route into a tight zone. There's defenders
all over. He puts his stuffs the ball in the
mailbox for twenty two yards and then that touchdown passed.
We had to to Horton with three twenty five to go.
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In the game, fourth and two at the plus twenty one,
you got Charles Cross got beat early in the play.
Charbonnet whiffs. There's pressure all around him, guys, you know,
guys in his face, his arm. That was heroic. He
finds a way to produce a touchdown out of what
could have been a sack. Three times over. I look,
the guy's playing his freaking ass off, and you know,
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you could really see how this guy's playing himself into
being as I said, you know, you know, I don't know,
three four five, six year quarterback for the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, he's been just sensational. It seems to be getting
better every week. I do have to ask you. We
haven't had a chance to talk about this. We only
got a couple of minutes left on Seahawks today, So
I just want to ask you. I mean, you were
struggling getting on the board yesterday, you finally had a
drive going, and then all of a sudden, you summon
Jalen Milroe off the bench for an option pitch left.
(33:56):
Did it seem like strange timing to you?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Well, it's like strange timing first and ten at the
thirty eight for all the reasons you discussed. But I
hate the scheme. If you're gonna run a speed option,
I like the speed option in one of two ways.
Put run away from the trips receivers, run to the
single receiver side, induce the overfront and people pushing to
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the formation, and then go to the backside. And then
you've got to uh, you've got to attack the nd
man on the line of scrimmage. The angles are better
if you if you attack the open side. What's the
open side away from the tight end, you're coming downhill more.
The pitch relationship is better. Here's the problems. I know
you said we have just a couple of minutes. They
were in a pistol formation, so you had Canine. He
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had to sprint as fast as he could and so
the relation the pitch relationship was not forty five degrees
because of the formation. Canine was a little behind him
and out of the vision of of of Milrow. Yeah,
Derek Young misses the end man online scrimmers, but you're
not option anybody. Option football is eve one man unblocked.
Let the quarterback and attack his inside arm pit, make
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that guy freeze and then pitch it out. So they
didn't even really really try and run an option because
they didn't option off of anybody. They the angles because
they're running at the tight end and they're running to
the trips receivers. Now you have Darnold trying and give
some some eye candy by going in motion. But you
still had an overload because you're running to the tight
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end side, You're you're flowing on a speed ups the
quarterback sprinting out. They haven't Milroe hasn't thrown run the
ball yet, so it's essentially a wildcat. And so while
you're running laterally because of this wide formation that everybody
who's flowing to the quarterback is also flowing to Canine.
And then finally you had you had the non dominant
right handed quarterback pitching. Uh you know, three sins on
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the pitch. Too hot, too fast behind the guy, and
too high. So so I don't put that on Canine whatsoever.
All for all the reasons there, I think it was
an ill fated play. The other reason I like it
is if it's all out blitz again to the weak
side where there's nobody there, then you can option off
the end man. But very ill. Look, you just don't
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see do you see that from Kyler Murray. Do you
see that from Lamar Jackson? Do you see that from
any of these athletic quarterbacks a speed option in the NFL?
I don't. If you do it, it's it's exceedingly rare.
So I think there's a reason why it's rare. And
I'll just close with this with Milroe. He there's some
people who talked about him pushing to be the starter
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in training camp a lah Russell Wilson. That obviously didn't materialize.
He didn't even push number two. And now we've we're
five games into this season. He's played three plays, and
based on the formula for yards based on the down
and distance, there has not been a successful play of
those three. We're five games into this haven't had a
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successful play from Milroe. Hasn't challenged the backup let alone
the starter look finite corno opus. That is the end
crowns the work. Our ancestors for thousands of years have
been trying to jump the gun. So I don't want
to commit that fallacy. There's a lot of time for
Jaylen Milroll, but you have to say at this juncture
what you thought you might have had from Jaylen Murroll
(37:17):
we've seen none of it yet. Yeah, great stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Thank you, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
We appreciate it. Hugh.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, good morning everybody, Happy Monday to you all. What
a weekend, my goodness, So what a weekend? And here
we are all assembled on a Monday to talk about it.
Ashley Ryan's here, former Mariner, Bucky Jacobson. My name is
Chuck Powell. We are going to do Mariners baseball for
a nine o'clock hour today? No coach today, but man,
we can't go a Monday, not after that football game
(01:12):
at Loomanfield yesterday without hearing from our QB one. So
Hugh Millan is with us from now until nine o'clock
this morning. Good morning, QB one, Good morning.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Uh? We're good, But that sounded a little exasperated. Did
you just finish a film session of frustration? Is that
what we're greeting being greeted with this morning?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well? I feel like it's like getting a sweetish massage
at a luxury spa, and then you know, I also
have my ankles in a bear trap, you know, I
mean this is a very conflicting week. So somewhere else massage. Well,
you know, I could have gone another out, but it's
(01:55):
a family show, so.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
You should try. Yeah, you should try one of their
different packages. Yeah exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, the budget packages ain't working for me.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Bear trap ankle massage doesn't sound good.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well, thirty eight to thirty five loss to the Buccaneers,
high scoring affair. It was almost thirty points over the
over under yesterday. Where does the conversation start with you?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
This morning. Well, you know, playing for Dawn James, he
used to say there's three phases of football, offense, defense,
and special teams, and he got to win two of three.
And you know, initially when he got established as the
Husky coach, he was renowned around the country for you know,
this remarkable kicking game. And and you know, in deference
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to the man I respect more than anybody in my life,
including my own father. I'm going to say I don't
quite agree with DJ in that I've given it a thought.
I think due to the binary nature of scrimmage plays,
I think it's and I felt this way for decades.
I think it's about one fifth. I think how you
run it is one fifth. How you throw it, how
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you defend the run is one fifth, how you defend
the pass, and special teams. I'm gonna back off DJ.
Instead of thirty three percent, I think it's about twenty percent.
So look, he's probably right, but just work with me
for the sake of the discussion. I think they're all
about one fifth. Think about this. Think about the four
phases for the for the Seahawks, how did they run
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the ball well? The running backs nineteen carries one hundred
and twenty two. They had six point four yards. How
did you defend the run Tampa Bay running backs that
only had nineteen carries for forty one yards, So same
number carries one hundred and twenty two for Seattle, forty
one for Tampa. They have a two point two average.
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How do you throw the ball, well, Sam Darnold, I
mean good god, yeah, yeah, three hundred and forty yards
and one hundred and thirty five passer rating. How about
the kicking game, Well, look, you could say it's a draw,
but you had you had two kickoff return the forty
one yard line, one of the forty six yard line.
You down a punt inside the six. Now you missed
a field goal they down inside the one. Let's be charitable,
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the charitable to the Buccaneers to call that a draw. Now,
let's get to the pass defense. The pass defense is
so was so dreadful, the twenty percent of football was
so dreadful. And you know third and thirteen to seventeen
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the NFL over the last three years, you combined, the
conversion rate between thirteen and seventeen yards is thirteen and
a half percent. The Buccaneers go three for four. The
chance of that, I've just ran the math because I'm
a geek. The chance of something that has a thirteen
point five percent probability of happening three or more times
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out of four opportunities. That's a point eighty eight percent chance.
That's less than one in one hundred. That's the best.
That's the defense you saw overall on third down five
of seven for Baker Mayfield in passing, but also two scrambles.
I mean, just look, you saw it. They were shredding
the defensive line for the Seahawks. When did one person
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make their presence other than Byron Murphy hitting the quarterback
low in fifteen yards, Leonard Williams doing a headbutt after
the play, drawing a personal foul, Like the defensive line
was non existent, the pass rush, the ends, I mean,
we talked on Friday. The right tackle is in a
sixth year and he's had a worse Pro Football Focus
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grade in every year. In his grade, this year's thirty six, Like,
how do you not beat him? Tristan Wurfs is a
great left tackle, but he's he was on the pups
coming off a knee as his grades are twenty five
points lower than the average, Like how do you not
get any pressure Baker Mayfield. It looked like seven on
seven football, and on all these big plays. You just
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go back and you watch the tape, which I have,
and there's not there's not anybody that is touching Baker
Mayfield for the most part. There's nobody who would touch
him with a tennis racket. There's nobody who would touch
him with a fly rod. Like there's like he's just
back there. It's literally seven on seven, which is football
without lineman. So at any event, I just think, you
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know that I was at the Cardinal game going into
the fourth quarter when the Cardinals only had three points.
I was going, this defense is just on pace to be,
you know, just epic. And then they had the collapse
against the Cardinals in the fourth quarter. And then now
whatever you saw Sunday, it's just like it is a
complete uh uh destruction. And and so everybody's got it's
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got to be all hands on deck. It is totally
broken right now in the past defense department in all phases.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Well, I mean so then if you if you're not
getting pressure on him, then be really difficult, regardless of
who's in your defensive backfield to cover for very long
and just considering the way in which the rules are
set up, you can't do a whole heck of a
lot of tugging and touching back there. So I mean,
how much of the lack of past defense, the way
in which it looked like a seven on seven for
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Baker Mayfield, how much of that is because of the
backups that were in there with Spoon and Love being out.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, I think it's it's some of it. I mean,
you know, the biggest play of the game, well, I'll
say the longest game when you remember Ameca Buca that
out and up on you know that was third and
thirteen and they get fifty seven yards. I mean the
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four guys rushing, yeah, from left to right, Nuoso, Leonard Williams,
Byron Murphy and Boy Maffey. That should be that's like
going into training camp. That like, that's your all star four.
Like if you had one play win a game, you
might pick those guys right based on their history. And
Baker Mayfield, he takes a five step drops from shotgun,
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which is the cool one of seven step drop plus
three hitches and he's got this clean lane. So and
on that play, you know you mentioned the injuries, So
I think that's pivotal. You've got you've got a second
third string cornerback over there that you're trying to protect
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in Me andm I Pritchett, right, So you're trying to
roll the safety over the top and play a coverage
I'm calling kick six cover six kick, which means you
roll to the strong side and you have a safety
of the top. But that leaves one on one with
Job against a mecha Buca, and a mecha Buka has
free access, so he's gonna run up on you. Even
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though it's third and twelve. He's gonna fake the sixth step,
speed out, third inside step, which Job has to honor
because because you know he could go over the and
complete that thing for twelve yards. But Mecca runs an
amazing route one step instead of three on his out
and up. He makes that decision on the fly. He's
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up the top and there's no safety over the help
because you're rolling it. And and by the way, you
know they they coached Okada. He was he was in
a term called poachs where he's looking to the three
receiver side. There wasn't any real threat there. He could
have backed off so you got ocada number of times
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just kind of you know, poor instincts and you give
up a fifty seven yard But to answer your question,
that would be an example of yes, you're trying to
cover for a backup corner, but you know what, the
Buccaneers at backup corners as well.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Hugh Melani is with us SARK QB one Monday morning
quarterback session. We're going an hour with Hugh today on
yesterday's loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers thirty eight to
thirty five, a game in which Sam Darnold and Baker
Mayfield put on a show yesterday. And look, I don't
know we'll go chronologically through some of these plays that
Mayfield made against our defense, but certainly the one that
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I circled is that drive right before the two minute marker,
Right around the two minute mark of the game. I mean,
that was about as easy as it gets. I mean,
you go five plays, you complete four out of five passes,
you go seventy yards. I mean, you just knifed through
the second best defense in terms of points allowed in
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the National Football League with really very little resistance at all.
From the twenty five yarder to Abuka to the twenty
five yard er to Autun to the touchdown to Shepherd.
I mean that drive just way too easy and sort
of emblematic of what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, And you know, as I'm looking at all the
big plays, you've got the coverages, they're all different. I
mean you got cover six, Cover thirty three, Tampa two,
Cover Sick, Cover one, Robbert Cover thirty three, Blaze, like
these are my terminology, but but it's all different. But
on that on that first one to Abuca, you've got
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uh u uh, the Seahorks are and playing a cover six,
which is a role to the to one half and
and then you're playing quarters. That might not mean anything did,
but it's a it's a it's a a rolled covered zone.
But you've got to have a hole. There's a hole
there between Ernest Jones and Tyree s Knight that is
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just way too wide and and Tyree Knight he reacts up. Uh.
It's kind of a sucker play where you you have
a little hitch in front of you at five yards,
but then you got a Mecca Abuka in behind you,
and so you have you have too much of a
reaction by night and so a mecha Buka comes wide
open into this hole. And and as I said, night was,
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Jones was pushing too far to the three receiver side
for that cover. He was playing as this for the
football coaches out there, as if there was quarters on
both sides and there's only three under but he's got
a corner to one side, so he doesn't have to
push as far to the three receiver side anyways, huge
hole there, but that's a zone coverage breakdown and and
poor communication. And then on the on the autumn they
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have uh for twenty five yards that that that you
just mentioned. They're in cover one with a robber with
a safety coming down. That's what the robbers. So you
get a deep safety and a shallow safety. Everybody else
is man to man to to Baker Mayfield's right, he's
got three receivers. Ernest Jones is the inside. So so
Ernest Jones he has he he has man a man.
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His guy goes out. Emon Worry is the next guy
outside of him, and he goes to transfer and as
this and as if to say, Emon Worry, you take
that guy. I'll take your guy because they're crossing. I'll
take what's called the final number three. The the third
receiver counting from the outside. Ernest Jones was saying, I'll
take final three, you take two. But that's not what happened.
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You had Emon Worry didn't take the two to the flat,
and so you had two guys covering three again counting
outside in. And then when Baker Mayfield on you know
that was a common theme and critical downs, he can't
keep him contained and so he breaks the pocket. And
now all of a sudden he looks over and he
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sees ought like, oh, they're in mand of man coverage.
What's by the way, they played less than a handful
of times the whole game, but they're in mand and
man for one of the very rare times on either
tape or in this game. And they busted nobody's covering
at and I'll just dump it to him in the flat,
and of course he gets the twenty five yards and
then the final the touchdown that was also man and man.
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But you let him out of the pocket. And you
know what the NFL in their stat portal, I looked
it up. The NFL has it officially five point one seconds.
Let me tell you something. You can't play man and
man for five point one seconds. That is on the
pass rush, you've got to contain and so I don't
put You know, Baker Mayfield, you know what when he
sees something developing off script, he's got the guts. He
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plays with no fear and he just you know a
lot of quarterbacks with second guess, Hey do I really
have it? Is the safety going to loom over? He
saw it was open, he knifed it in there, got
the touchdown. But you can't let him outside the pocket
and give him five point one seconds?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Well, how I mean, you've kind of discussed a lot
of different stuff and I'm following where you're at. But
if they're having a hard time getting to the quarterback,
which then means you got to try to cover for longer,
which you can't do. So now you're gonna catch twenty
two Because it seemed to me like they were picking
apart in the zone that they were running on a
zone and they were picking it apart. Did they have
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to run the zone because they were trying to send
extra guys to get to the quarterbacks so they didn't
have to try to cover for six seconds?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well, they only they only rushed blitzed four times and
a five or five or more four times, and where's
my stats on it was? It was three for four
for I think sixty Yeah. Here it is three for
four sixty eight yards in a touchdown. So when they
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did blitz, it wasn't effective. I mean one of them,
one of those wide open the middle was a it
was a three under and two deep. They rushed six
and they tried to play zone with I just can't
express to you enough. If you don't know a lot
of football, standard zone is seven guys, could be three deep,
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four under, could be four deep, three under, could be
two deep, five underd but standard zone is five. Sometimes
a lot of teams play with eight zone. You drop eight,
rush three. The idea that you would play zone with
just five guys. The holes are so gigantic, and yet
you don't get to the You better get to the
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quarterback fast. So the Buccaneers did a great job of
past protection, I mean a great job and uh so, yeah,
there was a two deep three underzone. I looked up
the like, how often does the NFL do that? There's
been five attempts this season in all of the NFL
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twenty three for all of last season running a two
deep three under zone it's a very uncommon coverage. And
guess what, Baker Mayfield, you know, just shredded it. I mean,
you know, I would love to have you. You know, look,
I'm just you know, hacked journeyman, but I would love
to have you play a five man zone. You know,
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bring the pressure. I'll get rid of it quick. There's
gonna be so many gigantic holes back there that as
long as I have an awareness of, like, hey, somebody's
got to pop open, just get rid of the damn ball,
put my back foot in the ground and just throw
it somewhere, you're gonna find somebody open. So yeah, yeah,
I mean they were doing a lot of things, trying
to to make amends for their injuries, and you know,
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Emon worried. You know, he made some nice plays, but
you know there was a big dagger play on a
third what was it, third and thirteen. I don't know
who's number fifteen chuck for them, but a big dagger
play and Emon, yeah, uh, Emon Worry. And the you know,
it's a five under defense and he's the cruel defender,
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so you're thrown over here, Emon Worry kind of he
gets sucked up on a on on a shallow defender.
That's what you're That's kind of the essence of zone
coverage when you're trying to hit it intermediate, show somebody
shallow to get your attention because that's where your eyes are.
You don't have eyes in the back of your head.
And then uh and then run somebody in behind your
helmet and and so that was just happening too often.
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I mean, uh, I know, we're getting close to the end.
So so let me let me just take myself to
that the touchdown pass that that that a Mecca had
in the in the back of the end zone, right, yes, yeah,
third third and fifteen from the twenty yard line, and okay,
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so balls on the left hash and this, by the way,
was the same pass concept that that Tampa Bay beat
the Falcons with it with a minute to go. So
I promise you they looked at this tape. I promised
to you that they on Friday, which is red zone Day,
I promised you they ran this play. Now, the plan
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was in that play against Atlanta, the corner had been
off coverage. They allowed a Mecca, who's the widest receiver,
the number one receiver. It's trips right from Baker Macer's
field's perspective, it's left hash and my number one receiver
is a mecho again number one mean meaning not Jersey number.
Not that he's the best, but he's the closest to
the sideline. And against Atlanta he gets free access. He
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nods in and that coverage he's able to take it
over the top to the post. The Seahawks played that coverage,
but they said, well, let's press and so but again
you've got Pritchett. He presses and he barely gets any
any jam at the line of scrimmage. He allows an
inside release and then and then the safety to that side.
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This is a this is a cover four beater, a
quarters beater to that side, which means there's a safety
on that side. But he's not. He he's got to
play man to man if the slot receiver comes in
up on him on depth and and and and yet
the way the way the coverage, oh gosh, I wish
I had a whiteboard here. This is how it breaks down.
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You have you have Kobe Bryant is the safety on
that side. He has the slot receiver come up on him,
so he carried uh, he covers him. But there's he
has help from the other side. In Okada, the term
is called poach. Poach is where Ocada is going to
be lined up on the single receiver side, away from
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the trips. Again from the offensive perspectives trips right, Okada
is going to read anybody crossing over because the the
split out on Okada side runs a shallow cross, so
there's nothing vertical. So so if Kobe Bryant, as a veteran,
would say, he should be able to feel like, Okay,
I know I'm gonna get help from Okada. You can
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pause the tape on that a Meca touchdown, and you
could say, Ernest Jones does a beautiful job of handing
off the flat to UH to aim and worry and
getting back underneath the slot UH inside breaking route. So
Ernest Jones does a great job. Ocada does a great
job approaching. It's not a hard job because the man
over him doesn't go vertical. The man that runs a
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shallow cross. It's but Kobe Bryant, he he he knife
see it on the slot as if it's it's pure
man to man. And so there's you could from the
end zone. You could pause the tape through we got
three guys covering the slot. But we got Pretchett, man
and man against the mecca. Does that make sense to you?
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Let me say that again, three guys covering the middle
guy I think it was godwins. So he's a pretty
good receiver. But then one on one with no like
on a post where by the way, Pritchett allows an
inside release on an inbreaking route, so he's got poor
leverage just from the jump. And and so I promise
you they practiced that because of that touchdown the game
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winner against the Falcons, and and they still didn't execute
it with third and fifteen at the twenty, and so
you know, it was just that kind of day. And
I mean there's a long list of stuff. I got
a Baker Mayfield, you know, quick blitzes or quick pressure.
He just hits the slot, little hits for six or
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seven yards, keep the chains moving. I mean there, you know,
what were they on third downs for a team? I
mean I mentioned the past stats, but you know that
they were seven four level sixty four percent. That's you know,
you know, if you go sixty four percent by a
seat for the season, you'll be number one in the
NFL by ten points. Like you'll lap the field. If
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you do that, that's that's how bad Seattle was. So
at any event you saw it, there's there's there's so
many breakdowns. But Seattle tried a lot of stuff. I'm
gonna tell you that that mostly zone, But they tried
a lot of stuff and they just did not communicate
route concepts. Well whatsoever. Lot I was sitting there saying,
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you couldn't you couldn't hit Baker Makefield with the tennis
record or whatever the hell out you know a lacrosse
defenceman's racket which is bucky you no longer than a
regular racket, right like. But you could also say the
same thing for guys catching the ball down the field.
At the moment they touched the ball, freeze the tape,
there's nobody around them. It was just an utter, catastrophic
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breakdown in past defense.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Well, Baker may the numbers reflect at twenty nine for
thirty three three and seventy nine yards two touchdowns. But
our guy put up some pretty fat numbers as well.
So we'll talk talk about Sam Darnold, including that late
interception next with Hugh mellon Monday Morning Quarterback session rolls on.
All right, we got some Mariners stalk coming away in
the nine o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
We'll go all Mariners nine o'clock.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Ryan Healy's gonna join us at nine thirty. We'll break
down the weekend for you there. But of course we're
doing a little Monday Morning Quarterback session as well, or
QB one. Hugh Millan is with us for this hour.
We've gotten through the porous defense portion of this hour,
and now let's talk about our quarterback, who was brilliant yesterday.
Twenty eight completions, thirty four attempts, three hundred and forty
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one passing yards, four touchdowns, but then a costly interception
at the end of the game which destroyed a drive
in any chance of winning the game. Sam was great,
Hugh yesterday. How much blame do we have to put
on him for that pick in a crucial moment.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Well, I think there's some blamed for sure. We'll get
to that. I think in the postgame show, you know,
you see it live and then you see the uh
the replay. And I think Trent Green is a really
good guy. I think he's very thin in his analysis,
and and you know, the way they showed it, it
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looked like there was a cream off the buccaneer helmet,
and and you know he was intending to go to
point A to point b uh and and so I
think that had it not hit the buccaneer's helmet, I
think that he dirts the ball lands on the ground.
It was second and one fifty eight seconds remaining, and
(24:35):
you're trying to go down and get a field goal, right,
and but you know a couple of things going on
there from a quarterback perspective. If I if I'll take
you into what the quarterback meeting room would look like.
They it squeezed formations where you had a Cooper cup
down in close to the left tackle cross that there,
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there's there's a four down lineman and and then there's
four second layered defenders. The protection that Seattle was in
was is a very common protection where you basically say, hey,
we got we got a six man protection. We're gonna
send the center to the right and the back charbonnet
is gonna who's lined up on the left, he has
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he has any blitzer off the left side, and so
in that in that protection, you you definitely think of
it like I got three strong and I got three
week So if they bring four strong or four week.
I got trouble, got me and so and and so
the weak side would be in this case would be
Darnold's left side, the side to the running back because
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the tight end is to the right, even though he's
not blocking. So so, so I'm just saying how we
would talk in a quarterback meeting room. Okay, we we
got three, we got three week handled, we got four.
We we can't handle four week. They they they blitzed,
you know, a veteran safety coming off the edge, and
that constitutes four week. And so now you say you've
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got to throw it to You got to throw the
to the hot to the side of where they're blitzing,
because it can get really dangerous to say, well, I've
got four week, but I'm gonna throw the hot away.
I'm gonna turn my eyes away from that. That is
generally not how your coach. So so Darnold, he said
he could have thrown it to Horton out out on
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an out route to the right side. That's true. And
if a guy comes from depth, there are times you
can break the rule. It's like E before E except
after C. Right, you've heard that, Well, there's a ton
of words that that break that rule. I'll give you
one science. So let's break down the science of this play.
Had Tory Hart Horton, he is playing with his inside
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leg back, so on his speed out, it's either you
know what, usually it's your inside leg is forward, and
it's either a four step or six step out. Like
I'd said a mecha book. On that six step out
out and up, it's a gray area, Chuck buck that
if you have a five step speed out, whether I
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can recognize I have pressure off my left, but I'm
gonna throw to wide open receiver. The Buccaneers are going
a three D three under zone, and so trying to
throw to Horton, Then what happens if he gets ear
hold and he's looking behind. I mean, you already had
a situation a fumble against the forty nine ers where
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Donald was looking to his left. Now it wasn't a blitz.
It wasn't on Donald Abe Lucas got forklift, and I
don't understand how people can blame that on Sam Darnald.
He's in the process of throwing if his hand gets hit.
He's not a running back. You don't hold him to
the same standard of a running back. That he fumbled
to say that he choked at the end of that game.
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I mean, I'm just I'm gonna wear out my forehead
with my palm on that assertion. But again to the
point of you want to be throwing into the pressure.
And so Cooper up, he runs a little And by
the way, nice job of designing by the Buccaneers. They
take a page out of Mike McDonald's play. But because
the guy who's on IF again quarterback meeting room, Sam,
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who's who's the curl flat defender on our left? We
got three deep three under it. Curl flat is is
is shallowing to my left, curl flat shallowing to the right,
and then we got a hook zone defender in the middle.
Those are the three shallow defenders. The the curl flat
player to my left, Donald's left. He started from the
b gap on on on the right side of the
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and so the DeVante David is on my right, but
he's buzzing out all the way to look, that's Mike
McDonald's stuff right there. And and so he gets to
a spot he jams up Cooper Cup. I thought Cup
should have you know, he he knew it was a blitz.
He should have not tried to get more depth, so
he tried to go up the field at the time David.
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By the way David grabbed his shoulder should have been
uh uh, defensive holding should be like like that official
will get a minus a double minus because he missed
that the LaMonte Dort just yanked. He materially impeded his progress.
So at any rate, so now Donald is coming up,
He's just trying to dirt the ball and he throws
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it and it's just you know what, sometimes, as I
said last night in the post game, philosophically, you have
to decide his luck part of sports and and and
how do you feel about luck? Is luck? Part of baseball?
Is luck part of golf? Like like you you you
know you at the British Open, you you miss uh
clearing the bunker by six inches. They would have rolled fine,
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but you plug it, you know, six inches below like
like you said, well it's a bad shot. Well it's
also a little bit unlucky, right, Like, so where does
luck play? Sam Donald had the ball kareem off that
he was throwing it to point A in space, and
the kareem off the helmet caused the ball to go
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to point B, and I think it was an enough
to mean an interception. But there's a lot going on there.
I tried to describe some of the elements. But from
a quarterback perspective, he's going to say, well, I wish
I would have directed a different protection. But guess what
there was the threat because of the squeeze formation. There
was a thread of four week to the left side,
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and there was a thread of four strong. So if
he had to handle that, if you knew in the
aftermath that they were gonna run that blitzwell you'd say,
I'm gonna call my protection where I put my center
to the left and my back to the left. Now
I can handle four week, but I but I cannot
handle three strong to the right. If I can't handle
three strong, obviously they're only you know, my right guard
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and right tackle. That's my two on my right, But
I can't handle another one's That would be Monday morning. Quarterback, say, Sam,
you should have said sent the center and a running
back to the left side, because then you could have
handled the four week. Well, guess what, they could have
ran three strong. They could have ran four strong, and
then you would add the same problem right just on
a different side, So you know, it's just kind of
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one of those things that happens in ball, and it
happened at the wrong time for CP. Yeah, no doubt
about it.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Otherwise, he was just a tremendous More on the quarterbacks,
and our final segment of Monday Morning Quarterback Today coming
up on the other side. Hre Millin with US Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, all right, just one
(31:28):
more segment of but Monday Morning Quarterback Today. We're gonna
talk to baseball in our nine o'clock hour, But we
had to lean on our QB one to talk about
that thrilling loss, unfortunately to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Seventy
three points put on the board. Unfortunately the Buccaneers end
up with three points more, thirty eight to thirty five
the final. But man, what a show put on by
former Carolina Panthers teammates Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield. We've
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already talked about what Mayfield did to our defense. Sam
did similar things to theirs.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Hugh, Yeah, and I think that we're seeing that the
idea that he could really be the Seahak quarterback for
a long time. You know, he just freshly turned twenty eight.
I mean he has a fifty three yard or that
seam route that he threw it to JSN. He threw
that so early because it was a safety high and
deep at the anticipation. Beautiful ball that boot left though,
the one he hit to Derek Young where he got
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his arm hit for thirty six yards over by the sideline.
I mean, what's the probability on that with that running
to his left with the guy in his face. Unbelievable
degree of difficulty. How about the over route to Cooper
Cup and man coverage where he had to step up
He wasn't even on balance. And now, hell of a
catch by Cup over by the Sea Owks sideline. But
that's a man to man beater twenty four yards. The
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boot left. One play, he had a boot left where
he had to pull up right in a quarterback pull up.
He goes to the fourth receiver. It's his JSN on
the backside end route into a tight zone. There's defenders
all over. He puts his stuffs the ball in the
mailbox for twenty two yards and then that touchdown passed.
We had to to Horton with three twenty five to go.
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In the game, fourth and two at the plus twenty one,
you got Charles Cross got beat early in the play.
Charbonnet whiffs. There's pressure all around him, guys, you know,
guys in his face, his arm. That was heroic. He
finds a way to produce a touchdown out of what
could have been a sack. Three times over. I look,
the guy's playing his freaking ass off, and you know,
(33:27):
you could really see how this guy's playing himself into
being as I said, you know, you know, I don't know,
three four five, six year quarterback for the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, he's been just sensational. It seems to be getting
better every week. I do have to ask you. We
haven't had a chance to talk about this. We only
got a couple of minutes left on Seahawks today, So
I just want to ask you. I mean, you were
struggling getting on the board yesterday, you finally had a
drive going, and then all of a sudden, you summon
Jalen Milroe off the bench for an option pitch left.
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Did it seem like strange timing to you?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Well, it's like strange timing first and ten at the
thirty eight for all the reasons you discussed. But I
hate the scheme. If you're gonna run a speed option,
I like the speed option in one of two ways.
Put run away from the trips receivers, run to the
single receiver side, induce the overfront and people pushing to
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the formation, and then go to the backside. And then
you've got to uh, you've got to attack the nd
man on the line of scrimmage. The angles are better
if you if you attack the open side. What's the
open side away from the tight end, you're coming downhill more.
The pitch relationship is better. Here's the problems. I know
you said we have just a couple of minutes. They
were in a pistol formation, so you had Canine. He
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had to sprint as fast as he could and so
the relation the pitch relationship was not forty five degrees
because of the formation. Canine was a little behind him
and out of the vision of of of Milrow. Yeah,
Derek Young misses the end man online scrimmers, but you're
not option anybody. Option football is eve one man unblocked.
Let the quarterback and attack his inside arm pit, make
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that guy freeze and then pitch it out. So they
didn't even really really try and run an option because
they didn't option off of anybody. They the angles because
they're running at the tight end and they're running to
the trips receivers. Now you have Darnold trying and give
some some eye candy by going in motion. But you
still had an overload because you're running to the tight
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end side, You're you're flowing on a speed ups the
quarterback sprinting out. They haven't Milroe hasn't thrown run the
ball yet, so it's essentially a wildcat. And so while
you're running laterally because of this wide formation that everybody
who's flowing to the quarterback is also flowing to Canine.
And then finally you had you had the non dominant
right handed quarterback pitching. Uh you know, three sins on
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the pitch. Too hot, too fast behind the guy, and
too high. So so I don't put that on Canine whatsoever.
All for all the reasons there, I think it was
an ill fated play. The other reason I like it
is if it's all out blitz again to the weak
side where there's nobody there, then you can option off
the end man. But very ill. Look, you just don't
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see do you see that from Kyler Murray. Do you
see that from Lamar Jackson? Do you see that from
any of these athletic quarterbacks a speed option in the NFL?
I don't. If you do it, it's it's exceedingly rare.
So I think there's a reason why it's rare. And
I'll just close with this with Milroe. He there's some
people who talked about him pushing to be the starter
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in training camp a lah Russell Wilson. That obviously didn't materialize.
He didn't even push number two. And now we've we're
five games into this season. He's played three plays, and
based on the formula for yards based on the down
and distance, there has not been a successful play of
those three. We're five games into this haven't had a
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successful play from Milroe. Hasn't challenged the backup let alone
the starter look finite corno opus. That is the end
crowns the work. Our ancestors for thousands of years have
been trying to jump the gun. So I don't want
to commit that fallacy. There's a lot of time for
Jaylen Milroll, but you have to say at this juncture
what you thought you might have had from Jaylen Murroll
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we've seen none of it yet. Yeah, great stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Thank you, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
We appreciate it. Hugh.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Monday Morning Quarterback here and of course we'll hear more
from you throughout the course of the week. Monday Morning
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