October 15, 2025 • 37 mins
The Dawgs head on the road to Michigan this weekend and we can’t find Cam Cleeland! We take a look at the matchup between the Dawgs and Wolverines. Is Demond Williams quietly in the Heisman race? :30- ANGIE MENTINK joins the show to give us her thoughts on this Mariners postseason so far and what it will take for them to finish things off. :45- The Gold Glove finalists were announced this morning and Julio made the list for centerfielders, but there was a VERY noticeable omission in the Catcher category…
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kind of feels like that's the way we're gonna get
it tonight or is there rain in the forecast?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Is I hadn't seen any?
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Yeah, just I don't think tonight tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Maybe so autumnal time, Oh man, it was just a
perfect little autumn day. And then and then you get yeah,
combine that with playoff baseball? Are you kidding me? Doesn't
get a lot better than that.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
When we deserve this great thing, I've deserved it. Oh yeah,
I deserved it course of my life. Okay, all that feels,
uh feels unusually beneficial.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, yeah, like it.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
God's smiling down on us right now. I think he's like,
you know, what's going on? Yeah, maybe a roof open night.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
He wants everyone to enjoy it to the max.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Exactly, you know, everybody to carve their dumpkins, get him
out there on the on the stoop.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Doesn't want I'm rotting right away. They gotta last for
the alcs.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, exactly, I mean we will.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Uh you know Dick Fame, you know, with his pager, uh,
trying to figure.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Out him and his pager. Yep, I can see that.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Apparently a lot of people need to get in contact
with him.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You know, it's really the best.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I never had a pager. I never really pictured him
as a campus drug dealer. No, no, yes, playing in it.
Figured it was a different type of student.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, yeah, maybe it was slinging like uh back when
I had my page Clarinet reads or something.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yes, probably.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
A big market for that back in the nineties eighties.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
If somebody from the horn section needs to get a
hold of me, yeah, I need to be at a
moment's notice.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Oh no, we've got a susophone down.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Seriously, it's possible.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Sorry, mom, I've got to leave Thanksgiving dinner. We got
a susophone down, just saw it on my pager.
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Speaker 2 (02:28):
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Speaker 1 (02:31):
We can't get hold of them, but we'll see if
Cam joins us here momentarily here on the radio program
to get to scratch our Huskies itch going into this game,
this big game taking on the Michigan Wolverines. As I
mentioned before, I just personally don't think that the Huskies
should be ranked right now. If I was doing my
top twenty five, I want them to win. I wouldn't
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rank them top twenty five. Win this game at Michigan,
even though they might not be a top twenty five team,
that's still a real high caliber victory and a really
tough place to win football games, and that that's going
to put you on the map. I don't think they've
had that signature win so far this year where I'm
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gonna rip a national writer or coach in college football
for not recognizing a five to one record against some
subpar competition.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
No, well, you said it earlier. You said, you know
the two wins they have in the big ten are
against Maryland Rutgers that are one and five. Right, Okay,
you won, so you did your part, and yet that's
not going to get the attention of a whole lot
of people. I think that had they played the second
half against Ohio State the way they did the first half,
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then they would be right.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
But they didn't. They played a good half.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
They they kind of kept them at bay for a minute,
and yet the offense never woke up, and they did
allow Ohio State to end up kind of running away
with it to some degree. What was twenty four to
six I think was the final there. So you didn't
necessarily even in that one loss, you didn't necessarily put
yourself on the map.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It wasn't a wow.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
They Ohio State had to kick a last second field
goal to upset or to not be upset by you.
So to me, yeah, you kind of have to wait
till this part of the season. Your preseason schedule was
not against anybody that was getting any attention. You are
trying to rebound from last season. So I think that
people come in with the notion of let's see what
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jed Fish looks like in year two, and they do
look better, but you were still having to make up
for some of that lost ground, and the lost ground
was understandablelast year. To me, it's you're trending in the
right direction, You're doing what you need to do. Now
it's going to the big house upset the Wolverines. And
because it would be an upset, I think, and yet
it's not out of the realm of possibilities. To me,
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it seems very likely or quite possible that they could
go in there and do that. But that would be
the biggest signature of the Jetfish at Washington era for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well, there was a time in the Ohio s Day
game that they're playing them so competitively, and I just
had it in the back of my head, well, we're
going to get the offense going.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I mean, that's that's not going to be an issue. Well,
it was an issue.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Matt Patricia and Oho States pretty much dominated everybody on
the defensive side of the ball, including the Huskies when
they were in town. But there was a time in
that game where they were keeping it close. I was
sure the offense was going to get going in the
second half where I thought we might end up losing
this game and we might pull that rare trick of
not being ranked, losing for the first time and being ranked.
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If they would have kept it close the entire time
against Ohio State, that would have drawn more attention, that
would have earned them more favor than coming from having
to come from behind to beat Maryland and then what
they did Friday night against a mediocre Rutgers team. But
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you know, win this and yeah, six point underdogs, but
Michigan's not the same team they've been the last couple
of years. I think that they've got a very good
chance of winning on Saturday, and then I think we'll
start Monday morning by talking about the ranked Washington Huskies.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Rick new isl made some.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
News with us a little bit earlier this week talking
about you dub and Demon Williams, who hasn't been great
every second during the course of this season, but on
Friday night was spectacular, and he made the point that
he doesn't count Demon Williams out of the Heisman race
at this point. Part of that is that really no
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one's seesing that it's going to be one of those
years where the picture is not going to become clear
until I think weeks ten, eleven, twelve. I think somebody
will emerge late in the season, and Rick new Isl
and certainly Demon Williams looked heismany Friday night, but he
still got a lot of ground to gain to make
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up in this race. But since no one's really run
away with it, then why not why not put him
into a pile of those being considered going forward? He
certainly has enough time to make up that ground and
to get where he wants to go. But you got
to do it with wins too. It's not just putting
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up gaudy statistics. You got to have big games against
teams like Michigan in order to get the necessary attention
to fire up that sort of campaign.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, he's going to have to do some things, and
yet I think he's highly capable of doing it. I mean,
what was the award he won last year or last
week after this performance?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It was something Conference Player of the Week.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah, So I mean it's like, okay, you just you
put yourself on a pedestal, or you kind of rose
yourself up to where people recognize. If there was somebody
that hadn't watched one U dub game and then they
watched the highlight package and look at the stat sheet
of what he did.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's like, ooh, who's who's this kid?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Now you're gonna have to rattle off some wins, yes,
and starts with Michigan Illinois. Not a walk over Wisconsin.
You gotta go on the road, you know. And then
it's it's it comes down to u c.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
L A.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
If they're playing as well as they've kind of turned
around since Jerry took over. I think that that game
in the Oregon game, if he ends up doing things
like what he did last week, you don't necessarily have
to go for four hundred and rush for over one
hundred every single time.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Well, that would be okay, That would be okay.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
And and if he if he stood, yeah, just go ahead,
why not. I'm gonna say this, If he does that
every week, he will win the Heisman. So it won't
even be a question if he can go off like that.
I just think it's a matter.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Of he hear that.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
All you have to do run for one hundred and
fifty and throw for four hundred, you know, six combined
touchdowns every week, and I think you.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Was it just okay? Well? I think even that.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I think even four touchdowns with four hundred yards passing
in one hundred and fifty running or rushing whatever it was.
I think that'll get it done for him. Now is
he going to do that in the big house. Probably not,
but it really you don't have to. You have to
do enough to win, do enough to win on the road.
This would I mean, this would be a huge win
for them. And if he can pull that off as
the quarterback, he's obviously going to get He's already kind
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of I think creeping into that that conversation, Uh, it
just would be the voices would get louder, for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think one thing you got to do when you
have somebody like a demand Williams. And I'll apply this
to the New York Jets and Justin Fields, and I'll
apply this to what we've seen from Lamar Jackson and
the Baltimore Ravens. If you got this gifted of a
runner in today's day and age, you.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Gotta just let it. You just gotta let it fly.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yes, And I realize, yeah, you do teach them to slide,
and you do teach them to get out of bounds,
and you teach them not to take unnecessary contact, and
you do have to teach self preservation and the smaller
they are. The more that you have to teach that.
I mean, the Cardinals have even put the rains on
Kyler Murray, but he hasn't been nearly as good the
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New York Jets justin fields should be running fifteen times
a game. Hey, you brought him in that he can't
throw accurately, and you're trying to preserve somebody for what Yeah,
unless he starts running, then you're not going to win.
So what are you preserving him for? You know you're
never gonna win with him just standing in the pocket.
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I think demand was kind of beat into his head.
And this is just me kind of reading the situation
that don't run or try to limit that because we
got to limit the amount of contact.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And we don't want you to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
On Friday night, and then the second half against Maryland,
it was like, I've got to use this to be
as good as I need to be in order to
pull off wins against these teams. And so I think
maybe that message, I think that realization is kind of
soaked in, not just with him, but even the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
We got a way weapon like this, We got.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
To not worry so much about whether or not that
next hits the one that's going to put him on
the sidelines. We don't win football games, and if we
take that weapon away from him, then we don't have
near the quarterback that we think we have.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So since he's just.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Started to run again, I mean I thought I felled
against Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
He was like running into pressure. Yeah, like you are
so fast run away from pressure, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You know, and in an attempt to stay in the pocket.
And it felt to me like he was running into
Ohio States pressure. This guy needs to run, and he
needs to run for seventy five or more yards per
game in order for him to be his best. And
so look, there are pocket quarterbacks out there, and there
are certainly, you know, a lot of running quarterbacks that
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had to be rained in. They almost all have to
be rained in. But Baltimore is the example that everybody
should use when they have one of these quarterbacks. Our
ball sided a long time ago. What the hell did
we draft this guy for in the first round if
we aren't going to.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Let him do what he sort of does best.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yep, and Demon Williams the last couple of weeks because
he's done what he does best, which has run the
football that is that has forced the defense to be
back on their heels and now he's ripping them apart
with both his arm and his legs. But that doesn't
happen unless they are terrified of him running the football.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying, and get
I get it. I agree.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
You definitely can't pull the reins back so much that
you are like, dude, we just need you to kind
of be in the pocket or you know, scramble. We'll
move the pocket and you just throw on the run
a little bit. You're gonna have to do it. To me,
it's the if you look back at those that kind
of figure out a way to mix and match both.
I mean, unless you are a Tim Tebow back in
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the day that just runs and we're not going to
throw hardly at all every once in a while to
jump pass at the goal line, unless you're built like that,
I don't want him running more.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Even as running people over Cam Newton was running people over,
that's different. I don't want that. I don't want design
runs into the teeth of the defense, of course, I yeah,
but I don't want him thinking I've got to stay
in the pocket. If you've got a lane, take off buddy,
and then slide, get out of bounds. Whatever you need
to do. You got to have awareness of spatial awareness
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of what tacklers are are zoning in on you. But
I thought for a couple of games there that there
seemed to be this plan to hey, you're taking too
many hits, let's keep you in the pocket. You got
to stay in the pocket. We got to deliver from
the pocket. And I don't think he should play that way.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Right well, the last four games he's ran them both
thirteen times, thirteen times, fourteen times and thirteen times, so
he's doing similar obviously that he got loose on some
a couple of big ones against Rutgers. To me, it's
if you every he think's back to the Russell Wilson.
What Russell Wilson did wasn't necessarily trying to be a
running quarterback as much as it was he was buying
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time with his leg. And when he lost that half
a step, it turned into Sackson. Now your second and
twenty three. But it was the opportunity. I mean, it
was third and eight. You're passing. His initial thought was
passed the ball to one of your playmakers. Get the
first down, and then he was smart enough to recognize
that guy's covered in the middle of going to a
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second reader's third read. Wait a second, I can get
to the first down and I'll take it, and I'll
slide and I'll get down and I'm safe. To me,
that's where you what you want, even if it's Lamar Jackson.
I think that they unleashed Lamar Jackson to some extent
and then his first time that he missed a couple
of games due.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
To an injury.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
They're like, we can't afford that that one run for
a first down or even a touchdown isn't worth two
for eight quarters of not having you back there throwing
the ball with the opportunity to extend a player get
a first down. So to me, it's that's the happy
medium of having a dual threat quarterback is dude, I
need you to have self preservation in the back of
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your mind, but not to the point of just staying
in the pocket or or you know, kind of taking
away what is one of your strengths. It's a beauty
and a beast at the same time. So to me,
I mean, I think that it's just a matter of dude,
you got to go play, not if they if there
ever was a time I am saying.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
It, I don't think. And part of his game has
taken off and using his leg and he's an amazing, wonderful,
beautiful thrower of the football too. I mean, that's what's
going to get him to the National Football League, that's
what's his arm's going to be what gets him to
the drafted in the first round one of these days.
But what makes him truly special where he can take
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over games is the combination of the two.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Well.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Yeah, and as he gets more experienced, too, he's going
to figure out, you know, the better, safer ways to
protect himself while still being able to just go play.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
He doesn't need to overthink it right now. He just
as you said, just go play. Yeah, just go do it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, go do what you do and look what happens.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, the rest will happen.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Man, he was amazing on Friday night. We're going up
against the same kind of a dual threat guy. I
don't think he's the same. I don't think he's nearly
as quick or fast. But Bryce Underwood was the number
one recruit in America, starting true freshman quarterback for the
Michigan Wolverines. They're not a great team this year, and
he's not yet a great player. As a matter of fact,
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I heard Petro's talking about this on the way in
Underwood has been underwhelming, was his line about Bryce Underwood.
But there's no question he is a tremendous talent. But
this team is beatable. I mean, yeah, they can still
rough you up, but they're not the Jim Harbaugh Michigan
Wolverines that they've dropped off a notch or two.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So this, to me is a winnable game. Ashley's already taken.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Them plus the points the Husky's plus the points, which
is nearly a touchdown spread. Actually it is a touchdown
spread six points. But this isn't just about This isn't
about covering, I'll tell you that much. This is an
opportunity for you to get a really nice signature road
win in the conference. Obliterate that healing about we can't
win on the road in the Big Ten once and
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for all, and give yourself something to grow off of
where we might be able to start a conversation around
here about a playoff. I mean a lot of things
have to fall in place, but until you get that
big signature win.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You're not gonna even be mentioned in that conversation.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
No, they're gonna figure out a way to stop Justin Haynes.
Justice Haynes USC did it last week and it turned
into a victory for them. Up until that week, he's
been absolutely going off. So hopefully they got some tape
on that and they are capable of doing the same
thing that you as seeded.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
All right, Coming up next, we got Angie Men. Think
we'll reconnect with Cam next week, but Angie will join us.
We haven't had her thoughts for a week now on
what's going on with the Mariners, so we can't wait
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Speaker 2 (17:58):
Now with Chuck and Buck. Here's boy.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You get used to having Angie Men saying pretty much
part of your entire summer, almost on a daily basis
here in her Mariners analysis, and then all of a sudden,
you reach the playoffs, the networks take over and you
don't have Angie in your life, and you're like, what
the f sad.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Fortunately for you the listener and us the talk show hosts,
we do have Angie in our lives once a week
every week, this time eight thirty and she joins us
here this morning, good to chat with you.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
I've been to chatting with you, and you know, I
don't want to hate on other announcers or anything, but
I was like, oh, Cassyn, this this thing they call
that East Coast bias just just a little bit, you know,
through the first couple of series. I just it goes
to show you, you know, it's like, you know, obviously
Pacific Northwest central to US and where we live and everything,
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but the rest of the country just thinks we're like
Southeast Alaska. I mean they really do.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Has it really been going on? I mean I have
watched any of the coverage? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, right, no, I yeah, I mean, has it really
Guess I keep reading it from Marinder fans, but I
don't know if that's just Mariner fans being sensitive to
another team getting compliments.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
There's like a tone to it where I think that
that the Maritorers are just surprising a lot of people.
But you have to believe that like, you know, you
can imagine the ratings. They're like, wait a minute, coming
out of americanly we have Alaska or Canada. Great? Great,
I mean, you know, I'm sure they were rooting for
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the Yankees hard for another Yankees Dodgers. And then if
it was like i mean, obviously the Brewers are down,
but can you imagine if it was like Mariners versus Brewers,
you know, pilots. Yeah, yeah, you know, there's like like
it's just the rest of the nation would just check out,
but it would be awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, it looks like we're headed toward Mariner's Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
We got a lot of work to do.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
So let's talk about how this team got here to
a two to zero lead in this series. There were
a lot of people and this is something that the
national guys were discussing. They were just sure that the
Arenders were going to come in flat and have a
trouble in the first two games of this series. What
did you take make make of that narrative that was
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started heading into this series.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Well, you can understand why. I mean, that's this teen
inning game. I mean, that is going to wreck a
lot of teams, and then all of a sudden you
gotta you know, win that game and then climb on
an airplane and travel cross country. But of course, you know,
the Mariners have been training for this offseason long. This
is this is what they do. Nobody plays more eleven
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plus inning games than your Seattle Meritis. They're like, we
got this. This is just this is a Tuesday. I mean,
you know, I don't know what you guys think. This
is so hard so and I also think and when
we're just continuing to see it is you know, this
team is just fueled by it. It's been you guys
know this the mantra all season long about what happened
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in the last couple of years. And I think that
it's just you know, really fueling this team. And I
think that fifteen inning game, you know, wasn't any sort
of like depletion. It was like a catapult. And I
mean it's crazy. And you think about Toronto, they had
a little bit of like I feel like a finish line.
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I mean, you go up against a juggernaut like the
Yankees and they had nine home runs. Toronto had nine
home runs in three games against the Yankees. They had
at least nine hits in every single game of that series,
and so far against Seattle they've got eight hits total
and just one home run. Springer is the only guy
on their team with an extra base hit at all.
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It's really been impressive. Yeah, with the Mariners have done
pitching wise to be able to keep this Toronto offense
at Bay and now they've got to come and hit
it t Mobile Park. Good luck.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, Well, what does George have to do to keep
that offense at Bay? Because it is there's some potency there.
I mean, Vlad Guerrero hasn't done anything yet, but it's
I don't think that George Kirby's like, well, he's in
a slump. I got him, there's an O for three.
So what is it that you need to see out
of George to where we can hopefully get five six
plus innings out of him?
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Well, keep Guerrero at Bay, and I know that's that's
easier said than done, but I think they've kind of
avoided him. They've they've done sort of like the Col Rawley,
you know, approach with him, and I think that's a
good idea. But George Kirby needs to continue to do
what George Kirby does. So well, and that is throw
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strike one. And really this season, you know, the Mariner's
pitching staff in the postseason has been really incredible at
this But I think that's the secret, Sauce. I think
you've got to get them on their heels. You know,
this is this is a team that doesn't strike out
a lot. And I know their whole you know, mindset
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is they would rather be you know, bo one than
oh for one. So they are willing to take that
first pitch strike two and not swing at a pitcher's
pitch to be out of the at bat. And I
think that that George Kirby and the rest of this
Mariners pitching stuff needs to continue to hone in on
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that and.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Hit on that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And Anji men Sink is with us here talking some
Mariners playoff baseball Game three to night of the ALCS,
George Kirby versus Shane Bieber, first pitches at five o'clock.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I mean, we got a long way to go.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
But if I were to name an MVP for game one,
it would be Bryce Miller. If I'm naming a game
MVP for both games, it's Orgey Polonko. And I tell you,
if I had to, you know tab A Mariner to
to fuse a bomb, I'm probably gonna go with either
Bryce Miller or Rage Polanco because those two guys, to me,
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like the pulse never rises with them. I mean, you
know them better than what we do. But I don't
think it's a coincidence that those two guys in particular
have stepped up. I don't think any moment is too
big for those two.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I think the step up is huge. And I'm gonna
zoom in on Horge Polanco and you think about where
he was, you know, at the end of last year,
and it was just like, hey, it didn't work out here.
I mean, it just it just kind of didn't. He
was playing hurt all year. But when you look at
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the difference in what he was able to do during
the regular season and now in the postseason, guys, he
has already hit more home runs in seventh postseason games
than he hit in his previous twelve postseason games before
this year. He's got three home runs this season. He's
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got a two fifty eight average. Before that, he was
barely hitting over two hundred in the postseason. He has
really found something I think that you know, every guy
has a different guy that they sort of get something from.
Whether it's Bob nagianis, whether it's sights or whether it's Edgar.
And every single time I'm talking to Polanco, he's like,
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Bobby told me this, you know, sites told me this.
So you know the big thing, you know, a few
weeks ago was with Edgar and that seventy five percent
effort in the swings and getting him to relax at
tension out of his arms and his hands a little bit,
because man, he was on time for the fastball, but
he was just due to against you know, breaking balls
and off speeds. That is not the case. You know,
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He's got a lot of adjustability right now in his
swing and he's just covering everything so and the thing
just go look at a side swing of his slow
motion side swing, and that head is just so still,
it never moves. Those eyes are like, I mean, saucers
so big, and uh, he's just seeing the baseball right
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now and he's squaring it up and it doesn't matter
if it's right handed or left handed. Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
It's pretty apparent that after that first game, that home
run that Cal hit, that that Blue Jays realized, Okay,
we really shouldn't mess with this guy. He kind of
owns us as as Chuck calls it, it's it's a Calada. Uh,
he's changed the entire name of the country. I think
it's he owns it so much.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
You know, a lot of times we get like a
like a police escort, you know, it's like to get
through the traffic in Toronto and get ourself on our
way to the airport. I kind of feel like it's
like that's them going, let's get Cal out of the country.
Let's just it's specifically for Cal. Let's let's give him
the police esport and get this guy.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
The heck out of here quickly as possible. Yeah. No,
it's it's all good.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
So I mean, how important is it and how how
do you see the frame of mind for Julio, Because
it's one of those years they walk somebody in front
of you, you get fired up, and yet you got
to kind of keep it toned down to some degree
so you can make him pay for it. You liking
the frame of mind that he's in.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Julio, Yep, Yeah, he's covering it all as well right now.
And I just think that, you know, for Julio, he's
made the adjustment I mean we haven't even been talking
about hard ground balls with him. You know, he made
an adjustment for whatever reason about halfway through the season.
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Things clicked and fell into place, and then he's just
been on a trajectory up and he's when he's doing
what he's doing right now on time for the fastball
and taking that it's a right center field and then
he's still catching all the breaking balls and the split
fingers and everything else out in front. That kid is
just so incredible strong. I mean, he's touched in the
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baseball and and and it's going so yeah, he's in
a great place right now. And then you know, the
other thing you know I was talking with Edgar about
with Julio is like what do you see? And he's
just like confidence, Like I see him just being really
confident in his swing. And it's really sort of like
the chicken or the egg thing though, like what comes first?
The success, you know, gives you confidence, Like how do
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you how do you get that confidence? And he's been
able to sort of, you know, trust his process throughout
the season and get there even maybe early in the
year when he wasn't having the necessarily outcome goals come true.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I trust that you feel good about the series. What
about tonight? I mean, can they do it three and row?
Can they go up three to zero tonight? Do you think?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I mean, I don't think that that old He does
have some good numbers against some of the Mariner players,
one guy, and I I feel like I say this
guy's name a lot and it's Dan was talking about
it yesterday. It's like the little things at this point
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in the game make such a big difference, Like every
single pitch matters, every single out matters. I mean, Mariners
saw that, you know, the last time we were playing
baseball t Mobile Park, you know, as they stood on
their feet for the entire four hours and fifty eight minutes.
I think, but I think that you know, it's it's
going to be those little things, you know, that continue
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to matter. And this team has been and shown itself
to be so good at doing all those little things, you.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Know, just in our last few seconds here. I don't
know if people realize this. Ty France is on the
Blue Jays. He's not active because he's injured. Do you
put it past Ty France if we do walk it
off to be in a in the Mariners dugout with
as mustache on and some dark glasses.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
You're talking like game four, like he's like, I'm not
coming back to the Blue Jays for what, I'm gonna
go party with my guys. That would be.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Sneaking his way over, Like if we're leading in the
decisive game by like six runs, somehow he Bobby Valentines,
that makes it his way over into like a Mariner
uniform with a mustache and some dark glasses on and
just sits there by JP.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And the dugout for the rest of the game.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
But then I have to believe that it's sad as
he would be. He'd be there'd be a place in
his heart where he would be absolutely thrilled for the
Mariners and his dudes.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Right.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
I think he'd gets found out because a ball would
hit him while he's in the dugout and someone'd be like,
who the all just hit?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah? All right, Well we're all in a good mood.
We're laughing, we're up to Oh we're laughing. Great to
chat with you.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
The pressure shifted, there's no doubt about that. And they've
got to be they got to be puckered, they got
to be feeling it.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, all right, Well, we'll talk to you again next week.
Are we going to see you at the ballpark the
next three days or what's.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
The deal here?
Speaker 5 (31:06):
I mean probably I didn't see you guys yesterday, but.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You know, all right, all right, well we'll be there.
We'll be there. We'll track you down one way or
the other, making it act like you like us. All Right,
we'll talk to you later, all right, Angie men tink
joining us already here on chucking back. All right, So
it's been the year of Cal.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Except the fact that the Platinum Gold or Platinum Glove
Award winner is not even gonna win gold this year?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Is that what we found out? We'll talk about it next.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ R f M.
The nominees for the Gold Glove Award came in not
even a finalist, not even one of the three finalists.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Are you happy about that?
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Mad about it? Yep?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Okay, understandably, So we love Cal. Maybe we're a little
bit skewed, isn't it. But I mean I would have
to think he would have been somewhere in the mix. Right,
they picked three guys for the finals, right? He did
to even make the top three. That's hard to do
when you have zero pass balls on the season.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Now I did see that the Dylan Dingler he's had
zero as well. He's good, but I don't see any
of the catchers that have zero.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Well, it's not just about pass balls, I mean, frankly,
it's about it's more about the metrics. Like this award
is more about analytics than any other award, And I
do like it better than what it was growing up,
where that was just a popularity contest. They actually do
try to give it to the best defensive guys. I mean,
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Rafael Palmero won it one year and he played twenty
eight games at first in DH the rest.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Of the time. Derek Jeter won it one year just
because we need to give him one.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Well he's Derek Jeter, right.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
So I mean it's a much better system than whether
they at least are trying to award it to the
guys who rank best defensively. And yet and also it's
the same system, it's the same metrics that.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
They used last year to give cal the.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Platinum Globe Award. So he did benefit from this process
last year. But for whatever reason, and I couldn't even
tell you. I don't study it close enough. I'm not
pouring over defensive metrics statistics. I do think to a
degree that they are flawed, but so I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
It's pitch framing, what the case may be.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I don't think he had nearly as high a percentage
of throwing out runners as he did a year ago.
But I you know, naked eye has to come into
this at some point. There's no way Alejandro Kirk or
Carlos Narvayaz is a better defensive catcher than Gal Rawley.
I mean there's no chance. I don't think there's one
general manager that would tell you that. And yet those
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are the two guys, along with Dylan Dingler that got
nominated as the three five Cow, not even a finalist
for Gold Glove.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, I don't know how they do where they put
the weight.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
I understand that they look at more than just pass
balls and throwing out runners, but I mean you just
look around. I mean it's Narvaas had nine errors. Now,
how do you get an air Typically it's you throw
a ball and it goes into center field and they
get they get to go to third. A base dealer
I'm speaking of Cal had four Hella Hunter Kirk had
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nine errors as well. I mean, it's I'm sure that
this is just my heart talking like, I just can't
see how there would have been anybody that would have
been more, that would have been better behind the dish.
Now that obviously I didn't watch every Boston or Toronto
or I didn't watch I didn't watch every Detroit game,
So I don't know how well those guys did. Obviously
they did well enough to be on there, but it
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seems odd that you could win the Platinum Glove and
then wouldn't even be a nominee.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
The next year.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Yeah, and it's not like there was some big drop off.
And I will say this because I am very not biased.
It's bs right.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I mean, I think he's better this year than he
was last year.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I don't understand how well.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Again, again, I'm telling you it's all math.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
They're using the defensive metrics, and I'm not sure that
those aren't flawed statistics that they use to determine defensive metrics,
really not, but that's what they pretty much base it
all on. It's not like a bias against him or
anything like that. The defensive metrics, you just didn't favor
him this year where they did a year ago. But
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I bet you if you asked Dan Wilson, he'd tell
you he's a better catcher this year than he was
last year. And another thing that defensive metrics never take
into account is it's also part of a catcher's defensive
portfolio to call pitches to make their pitchers better. And
it doesn't even go into metrics because they have no way,
They don't have a stat to come up with that.
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So I think al Rawley's the best defensive catcher in baseball.
I think he might even be better with another year
of seasoning than he was a year ago. I bet
you Cal would tell you he's better than he was
a year ago. I bet you all of his pitchers
would tell you that he's better than he was a
year ago. But this has gone the way of advanced metrics,
and I think they're flawed. And yet the same system
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that they used a year ago that honored him is costing.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Him a finalist appearance this year. Strange, very strange. I
don't think Julio's gonna win.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Julio did get nominated nominated for one of the three
finalists for centerfield. But Sedaan Rafaela of the Boston Red Sox,
who was a shortstop in a second baseman just last year,
has I'm pretty sure the top defensive runs saved in
all of baseball from the center field, so he's probably
gonna win that award over Julio. So only one Mariner nominated.
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Five Blue Jays, by the way nominated. Wow, Yeah, they
have a good defensive team. Guerrero and ty France.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah. Ty France is a Blue Jay.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yep, yeah he is.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
He's not on the active roster. He's got an no bleak,
that's why he's not playing well.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, and he wants he just wants to watch the
Mariners win.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Maybe maybe deep within his templed face, he just wants
the Mariners to win.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, yeah, who knows.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
All right, Coming up next, we'll talk about Game three,
we'll talk about the reset. We'll talk about your superstitions
going into this game, because it seems to me a
lot of you have come up with a lot of
superstitions that are carrying us right now to a two
Z lead.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
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Kind of feels like that's the way we're gonna get
it tonight or is there rain in the forecast?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Is I hadn't seen any?
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Yeah, just I don't think tonight tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Maybe so autumnal time, Oh man, it was just a
perfect little autumn day. And then and then you get yeah,
combine that with playoff baseball? Are you kidding me? Doesn't
get a lot better than that.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
When we deserve this great thing, I've deserved it. Oh yeah,
I deserved it course of my life. Okay, all that feels,
uh feels unusually beneficial.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, yeah, like it.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
God's smiling down on us right now. I think he's like,
you know, what's going on? Yeah, maybe a roof open night.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
He wants everyone to enjoy it to the max.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Exactly, you know, everybody to carve their dumpkins, get him
out there on the on the stoop.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Doesn't want I'm rotting right away. They gotta last for
the alcs.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, exactly, I mean we will.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Uh you know Dick Fame, you know, with his pager, uh,
trying to figure.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Out him and his pager. Yep, I can see that.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Apparently a lot of people need to get in contact
with him.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You know, it's really the best.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I never had a pager. I never really pictured him
as a campus drug dealer. No, no, yes, playing in it.
Figured it was a different type of student.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, yeah, maybe it was slinging like uh back when
I had my page Clarinet reads or something.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yes, probably.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
A big market for that back in the nineties eighties.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
If somebody from the horn section needs to get a
hold of me, yeah, I need to be at a
moment's notice.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Oh no, we've got a susophone down.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Seriously, it's possible.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Sorry, mom, I've got to leave Thanksgiving dinner. We got
a susophone down, just saw it on my pager.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
What would be the code for that?
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Speaker 2 (02:28):
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to get to scratch our Huskies itch going into this game,
this big game taking on the Michigan Wolverines. As I
mentioned before, I just personally don't think that the Huskies
should be ranked right now. If I was doing my
top twenty five, I want them to win. I wouldn't
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rank them top twenty five. Win this game at Michigan,
even though they might not be a top twenty five team,
that's still a real high caliber victory and a really
tough place to win football games, and that that's going
to put you on the map. I don't think they've
had that signature win so far this year where I'm
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gonna rip a national writer or coach in college football
for not recognizing a five to one record against some
subpar competition.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
No, well, you said it earlier. You said, you know
the two wins they have in the big ten are
against Maryland Rutgers that are one and five. Right, Okay,
you won, so you did your part, and yet that's
not going to get the attention of a whole lot
of people. I think that had they played the second
half against Ohio State the way they did the first half,
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then they would be right.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
But they didn't. They played a good half.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
They they kind of kept them at bay for a minute,
and yet the offense never woke up, and they did
allow Ohio State to end up kind of running away
with it to some degree. What was twenty four to
six I think was the final there. So you didn't
necessarily even in that one loss, you didn't necessarily put
yourself on the map.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
It wasn't a wow.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
They Ohio State had to kick a last second field
goal to upset or to not be upset by you.
So to me, yeah, you kind of have to wait
till this part of the season. Your preseason schedule was
not against anybody that was getting any attention. You are
trying to rebound from last season. So I think that
people come in with the notion of let's see what
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jed Fish looks like in year two, and they do
look better, but you were still having to make up
for some of that lost ground, and the lost ground
was understandablelast year. To me, it's you're trending in the
right direction, You're doing what you need to do. Now
it's going to the big house upset the Wolverines. And
because it would be an upset, I think, and yet
it's not out of the realm of possibilities. To me,
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it seems very likely or quite possible that they could
go in there and do that. But that would be
the biggest signature of the Jetfish at Washington era for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well, there was a time in the Ohio s Day
game that they're playing them so competitively, and I just
had it in the back of my head, well, we're
going to get the offense going.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I mean, that's that's not going to be an issue. Well,
it was an issue.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Matt Patricia and Oho States pretty much dominated everybody on
the defensive side of the ball, including the Huskies when
they were in town. But there was a time in
that game where they were keeping it close. I was
sure the offense was going to get going in the
second half where I thought we might end up losing
this game and we might pull that rare trick of
not being ranked, losing for the first time and being ranked.
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If they would have kept it close the entire time
against Ohio State, that would have drawn more attention, that
would have earned them more favor than coming from having
to come from behind to beat Maryland and then what
they did Friday night against a mediocre Rutgers team. But
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you know, win this and yeah, six point underdogs, but
Michigan's not the same team they've been the last couple
of years. I think that they've got a very good
chance of winning on Saturday, and then I think we'll
start Monday morning by talking about the ranked Washington Huskies.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Rick new isl made some.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
News with us a little bit earlier this week talking
about you dub and Demon Williams, who hasn't been great
every second during the course of this season, but on
Friday night was spectacular, and he made the point that
he doesn't count Demon Williams out of the Heisman race
at this point. Part of that is that really no
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one's seesing that it's going to be one of those
years where the picture is not going to become clear
until I think weeks ten, eleven, twelve. I think somebody
will emerge late in the season, and Rick new Isl
and certainly Demon Williams looked heismany Friday night, but he
still got a lot of ground to gain to make
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up in this race. But since no one's really run
away with it, then why not why not put him
into a pile of those being considered going forward? He
certainly has enough time to make up that ground and
to get where he wants to go. But you got
to do it with wins too. It's not just putting
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up gaudy statistics. You got to have big games against
teams like Michigan in order to get the necessary attention
to fire up that sort of campaign.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, he's going to have to do some things, and
yet I think he's highly capable of doing it. I mean,
what was the award he won last year or last
week after this performance?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It was something Conference Player of the Week.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah, So I mean it's like, okay, you just you
put yourself on a pedestal, or you kind of rose
yourself up to where people recognize. If there was somebody
that hadn't watched one U dub game and then they
watched the highlight package and look at the stat sheet
of what he did.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It's like, ooh, who's who's this kid?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Now you're gonna have to rattle off some wins, yes,
and starts with Michigan Illinois. Not a walk over Wisconsin.
You gotta go on the road, you know. And then
it's it's it comes down to u c.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
L A.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
If they're playing as well as they've kind of turned
around since Jerry took over. I think that that game
in the Oregon game, if he ends up doing things
like what he did last week, you don't necessarily have
to go for four hundred and rush for over one
hundred every single time.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Well, that would be okay, That would be okay.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
And and if he if he stood, yeah, just go ahead,
why not. I'm gonna say this, If he does that
every week, he will win the Heisman. So it won't
even be a question if he can go off like that.
I just think it's a matter.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Of he hear that.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
All you have to do run for one hundred and
fifty and throw for four hundred, you know, six combined
touchdowns every week, and I think you.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Was it just okay? Well? I think even that.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I think even four touchdowns with four hundred yards passing
in one hundred and fifty running or rushing whatever it was.
I think that'll get it done for him. Now is
he going to do that in the big house. Probably not,
but it really you don't have to. You have to
do enough to win, do enough to win on the road.
This would I mean, this would be a huge win
for them. And if he can pull that off as
the quarterback, he's obviously going to get He's already kind
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of I think creeping into that that conversation, Uh, it
just would be the voices would get louder, for sure.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think one thing you got to do when you
have somebody like a demand Williams. And I'll apply this
to the New York Jets and Justin Fields, and I'll
apply this to what we've seen from Lamar Jackson and
the Baltimore Ravens. If you got this gifted of a
runner in today's day and age, you.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Gotta just let it. You just gotta let it fly.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yes, And I realize, yeah, you do teach them to slide,
and you do teach them to get out of bounds,
and you teach them not to take unnecessary contact, and
you do have to teach self preservation and the smaller
they are. The more that you have to teach that.
I mean, the Cardinals have even put the rains on
Kyler Murray, but he hasn't been nearly as good the
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New York Jets justin fields should be running fifteen times
a game. Hey, you brought him in that he can't
throw accurately, and you're trying to preserve somebody for what Yeah,
unless he starts running, then you're not going to win.
So what are you preserving him for? You know you're
never gonna win with him just standing in the pocket.
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I think demand was kind of beat into his head.
And this is just me kind of reading the situation
that don't run or try to limit that because we
got to limit the amount of contact.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And we don't want you to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
On Friday night, and then the second half against Maryland,
it was like, I've got to use this to be
as good as I need to be in order to
pull off wins against these teams. And so I think
maybe that message, I think that realization is kind of
soaked in, not just with him, but even the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
We got a way weapon like this, We got.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
To not worry so much about whether or not that
next hits the one that's going to put him on
the sidelines. We don't win football games, and if we
take that weapon away from him, then we don't have
near the quarterback that we think we have.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So since he's just.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Started to run again, I mean I thought I felled
against Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
He was like running into pressure. Yeah, like you are
so fast run away from pressure, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You know, and in an attempt to stay in the pocket.
And it felt to me like he was running into
Ohio States pressure. This guy needs to run, and he
needs to run for seventy five or more yards per
game in order for him to be his best. And
so look, there are pocket quarterbacks out there, and there
are certainly, you know, a lot of running quarterbacks that
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had to be rained in. They almost all have to
be rained in. But Baltimore is the example that everybody
should use when they have one of these quarterbacks. Our
ball sided a long time ago. What the hell did
we draft this guy for in the first round if
we aren't going to.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Let him do what he sort of does best.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yep, and Demon Williams the last couple of weeks because
he's done what he does best, which has run the
football that is that has forced the defense to be
back on their heels and now he's ripping them apart
with both his arm and his legs. But that doesn't
happen unless they are terrified of him running the football.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying, and get
I get it. I agree.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
You definitely can't pull the reins back so much that
you are like, dude, we just need you to kind
of be in the pocket or you know, scramble. We'll
move the pocket and you just throw on the run
a little bit. You're gonna have to do it. To me,
it's the if you look back at those that kind
of figure out a way to mix and match both.
I mean, unless you are a Tim Tebow back in
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the day that just runs and we're not going to
throw hardly at all every once in a while to
jump pass at the goal line, unless you're built like that,
I don't want him running more.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Even as running people over Cam Newton was running people over,
that's different. I don't want that. I don't want design
runs into the teeth of the defense, of course, I yeah,
but I don't want him thinking I've got to stay
in the pocket. If you've got a lane, take off buddy,
and then slide, get out of bounds. Whatever you need
to do. You got to have awareness of spatial awareness
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of what tacklers are are zoning in on you. But
I thought for a couple of games there that there
seemed to be this plan to hey, you're taking too
many hits, let's keep you in the pocket. You got
to stay in the pocket. We got to deliver from
the pocket. And I don't think he should play that way.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Right well, the last four games he's ran them both
thirteen times, thirteen times, fourteen times and thirteen times, so
he's doing similar obviously that he got loose on some
a couple of big ones against Rutgers. To me, it's
if you every he think's back to the Russell Wilson.
What Russell Wilson did wasn't necessarily trying to be a
running quarterback as much as it was he was buying
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time with his leg. And when he lost that half
a step, it turned into Sackson. Now your second and
twenty three. But it was the opportunity. I mean, it
was third and eight. You're passing. His initial thought was
passed the ball to one of your playmakers. Get the
first down, and then he was smart enough to recognize
that guy's covered in the middle of going to a
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second reader's third read. Wait a second, I can get
to the first down and I'll take it, and I'll
slide and I'll get down and I'm safe. To me,
that's where you what you want, even if it's Lamar Jackson.
I think that they unleashed Lamar Jackson to some extent
and then his first time that he missed a couple
of games due.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
To an injury.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
They're like, we can't afford that that one run for
a first down or even a touchdown isn't worth two
for eight quarters of not having you back there throwing
the ball with the opportunity to extend a player get
a first down. So to me, it's that's the happy
medium of having a dual threat quarterback is dude, I
need you to have self preservation in the back of
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your mind, but not to the point of just staying
in the pocket or or you know, kind of taking
away what is one of your strengths. It's a beauty
and a beast at the same time. So to me,
I mean, I think that it's just a matter of dude,
you got to go play, not if they if there
ever was a time I am saying.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
It, I don't think. And part of his game has
taken off and using his leg and he's an amazing, wonderful,
beautiful thrower of the football too. I mean, that's what's
going to get him to the National Football League, that's
what's his arm's going to be what gets him to
the drafted in the first round one of these days.
But what makes him truly special where he can take
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over games is the combination of the two.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Well.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Yeah, and as he gets more experienced, too, he's going
to figure out, you know, the better, safer ways to
protect himself while still being able to just go play.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
He doesn't need to overthink it right now. He just
as you said, just go play. Yeah, just go do it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, go do what you do and look what happens.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, the rest will happen.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Man, he was amazing on Friday night. We're going up
against the same kind of a dual threat guy. I
don't think he's the same. I don't think he's nearly
as quick or fast. But Bryce Underwood was the number
one recruit in America, starting true freshman quarterback for the
Michigan Wolverines. They're not a great team this year, and
he's not yet a great player. As a matter of fact,
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I heard Petro's talking about this on the way in
Underwood has been underwhelming, was his line about Bryce Underwood.
But there's no question he is a tremendous talent. But
this team is beatable. I mean, yeah, they can still
rough you up, but they're not the Jim Harbaugh Michigan
Wolverines that they've dropped off a notch or two.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So this, to me is a winnable game. Ashley's already taken.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Them plus the points the Husky's plus the points, which
is nearly a touchdown spread. Actually it is a touchdown
spread six points. But this isn't just about This isn't
about covering, I'll tell you that much. This is an
opportunity for you to get a really nice signature road
win in the conference. Obliterate that healing about we can't
win on the road in the Big Ten once and
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for all, and give yourself something to grow off of
where we might be able to start a conversation around
here about a playoff. I mean a lot of things
have to fall in place, but until you get that
big signature win.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You're not gonna even be mentioned in that conversation.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
No, they're gonna figure out a way to stop Justin Haynes.
Justice Haynes USC did it last week and it turned
into a victory for them. Up until that week, he's
been absolutely going off. So hopefully they got some tape
on that and they are capable of doing the same
thing that you as seeded.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
All right, Coming up next, we got Angie Men. Think
we'll reconnect with Cam next week, but Angie will join us.
We haven't had her thoughts for a week now on
what's going on with the Mariners, so we can't wait
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Speaker 2 (17:58):
Now with Chuck and Buck. Here's boy.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You get used to having Angie Men saying pretty much
part of your entire summer, almost on a daily basis
here in her Mariners analysis, and then all of a sudden,
you reach the playoffs, the networks take over and you
don't have Angie in your life, and you're like, what
the f sad.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Fortunately for you the listener and us the talk show hosts,
we do have Angie in our lives once a week
every week, this time eight thirty and she joins us
here this morning, good to chat with you.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
I've been to chatting with you, and you know, I
don't want to hate on other announcers or anything, but
I was like, oh, Cassyn, this this thing they call
that East Coast bias just just a little bit, you know,
through the first couple of series. I just it goes
to show you, you know, it's like, you know, obviously
Pacific Northwest central to US and where we live and everything,
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but the rest of the country just thinks we're like
Southeast Alaska. I mean they really do.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Has it really been going on? I mean I have
watched any of the coverage? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, right, no, I yeah, I mean, has it really
Guess I keep reading it from Marinder fans, but I
don't know if that's just Mariner fans being sensitive to
another team getting compliments.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
There's like a tone to it where I think that
that the Maritorers are just surprising a lot of people.
But you have to believe that like, you know, you
can imagine the ratings. They're like, wait a minute, coming
out of americanly we have Alaska or Canada. Great? Great,
I mean, you know, I'm sure they were rooting for
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the Yankees hard for another Yankees Dodgers. And then if
it was like i mean, obviously the Brewers are down,
but can you imagine if it was like Mariners versus Brewers,
you know, pilots. Yeah, yeah, you know, there's like like
it's just the rest of the nation would just check out,
but it would be awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, it looks like we're headed toward Mariner's Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
We got a lot of work to do.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
So let's talk about how this team got here to
a two to zero lead in this series. There were
a lot of people and this is something that the
national guys were discussing. They were just sure that the
Arenders were going to come in flat and have a
trouble in the first two games of this series. What
did you take make make of that narrative that was
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started heading into this series.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Well, you can understand why. I mean, that's this teen
inning game. I mean, that is going to wreck a
lot of teams, and then all of a sudden you
gotta you know, win that game and then climb on
an airplane and travel cross country. But of course, you know,
the Mariners have been training for this offseason long. This
is this is what they do. Nobody plays more eleven
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plus inning games than your Seattle Meritis. They're like, we
got this. This is just this is a Tuesday. I mean,
you know, I don't know what you guys think. This
is so hard so and I also think and when
we're just continuing to see it is you know, this
team is just fueled by it. It's been you guys
know this the mantra all season long about what happened
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in the last couple of years. And I think that
it's just you know, really fueling this team. And I
think that fifteen inning game, you know, wasn't any sort
of like depletion. It was like a catapult. And I
mean it's crazy. And you think about Toronto, they had
a little bit of like I feel like a finish line.
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I mean, you go up against a juggernaut like the
Yankees and they had nine home runs. Toronto had nine
home runs in three games against the Yankees. They had
at least nine hits in every single game of that series,
and so far against Seattle they've got eight hits total
and just one home run. Springer is the only guy
on their team with an extra base hit at all.
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It's really been impressive. Yeah, with the Mariners have done
pitching wise to be able to keep this Toronto offense
at Bay and now they've got to come and hit
it t Mobile Park. Good luck.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, Well, what does George have to do to keep
that offense at Bay? Because it is there's some potency there.
I mean, Vlad Guerrero hasn't done anything yet, but it's
I don't think that George Kirby's like, well, he's in
a slump. I got him, there's an O for three.
So what is it that you need to see out
of George to where we can hopefully get five six
plus innings out of him?
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Well, keep Guerrero at Bay, and I know that's that's
easier said than done, but I think they've kind of
avoided him. They've they've done sort of like the Col Rawley,
you know, approach with him, and I think that's a
good idea. But George Kirby needs to continue to do
what George Kirby does. So well, and that is throw
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strike one. And really this season, you know, the Mariner's
pitching staff in the postseason has been really incredible at
this But I think that's the secret, Sauce. I think
you've got to get them on their heels. You know,
this is this is a team that doesn't strike out
a lot. And I know their whole you know, mindset
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is they would rather be you know, bo one than
oh for one. So they are willing to take that
first pitch strike two and not swing at a pitcher's
pitch to be out of the at bat. And I
think that that George Kirby and the rest of this
Mariners pitching stuff needs to continue to hone in on
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that and.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Hit on that.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And Anji men Sink is with us here talking some
Mariners playoff baseball Game three to night of the ALCS,
George Kirby versus Shane Bieber, first pitches at five o'clock.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I mean, we got a long way to go.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
But if I were to name an MVP for game one,
it would be Bryce Miller. If I'm naming a game
MVP for both games, it's Orgey Polonko. And I tell you,
if I had to, you know tab A Mariner to
to fuse a bomb, I'm probably gonna go with either
Bryce Miller or Rage Polanco because those two guys, to me,
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like the pulse never rises with them. I mean, you
know them better than what we do. But I don't
think it's a coincidence that those two guys in particular
have stepped up. I don't think any moment is too
big for those two.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I think the step up is huge. And I'm gonna
zoom in on Horge Polanco and you think about where
he was, you know, at the end of last year,
and it was just like, hey, it didn't work out here.
I mean, it just it just kind of didn't. He
was playing hurt all year. But when you look at
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the difference in what he was able to do during
the regular season and now in the postseason, guys, he
has already hit more home runs in seventh postseason games
than he hit in his previous twelve postseason games before
this year. He's got three home runs this season. He's
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got a two fifty eight average. Before that, he was
barely hitting over two hundred in the postseason. He has
really found something I think that you know, every guy
has a different guy that they sort of get something from.
Whether it's Bob nagianis, whether it's sights or whether it's Edgar.
And every single time I'm talking to Polanco, he's like,
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Bobby told me this, you know, sites told me this.
So you know the big thing, you know, a few
weeks ago was with Edgar and that seventy five percent
effort in the swings and getting him to relax at
tension out of his arms and his hands a little bit,
because man, he was on time for the fastball, but
he was just due to against you know, breaking balls
and off speeds. That is not the case. You know,
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He's got a lot of adjustability right now in his
swing and he's just covering everything so and the thing
just go look at a side swing of his slow
motion side swing, and that head is just so still,
it never moves. Those eyes are like, I mean, saucers
so big, and uh, he's just seeing the baseball right
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now and he's squaring it up and it doesn't matter
if it's right handed or left handed. Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
It's pretty apparent that after that first game, that home
run that Cal hit, that that Blue Jays realized, Okay,
we really shouldn't mess with this guy. He kind of
owns us as as Chuck calls it, it's it's a Calada. Uh,
he's changed the entire name of the country. I think
it's he owns it so much.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
You know, a lot of times we get like a
like a police escort, you know, it's like to get
through the traffic in Toronto and get ourself on our
way to the airport. I kind of feel like it's
like that's them going, let's get Cal out of the country.
Let's just it's specifically for Cal. Let's let's give him
the police esport and get this guy.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
The heck out of here quickly as possible. Yeah. No,
it's it's all good.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
So I mean, how important is it and how how
do you see the frame of mind for Julio, Because
it's one of those years they walk somebody in front
of you, you get fired up, and yet you got
to kind of keep it toned down to some degree
so you can make him pay for it. You liking
the frame of mind that he's in.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Julio, Yep, Yeah, he's covering it all as well right now.
And I just think that, you know, for Julio, he's
made the adjustment I mean we haven't even been talking
about hard ground balls with him. You know, he made
an adjustment for whatever reason about halfway through the season.
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Things clicked and fell into place, and then he's just
been on a trajectory up and he's when he's doing
what he's doing right now on time for the fastball
and taking that it's a right center field and then
he's still catching all the breaking balls and the split
fingers and everything else out in front. That kid is
just so incredible strong. I mean, he's touched in the
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baseball and and and it's going so yeah, he's in
a great place right now. And then you know, the
other thing you know I was talking with Edgar about
with Julio is like what do you see? And he's
just like confidence, Like I see him just being really
confident in his swing. And it's really sort of like
the chicken or the egg thing though, like what comes first?
The success, you know, gives you confidence, Like how do
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you how do you get that confidence? And he's been
able to sort of, you know, trust his process throughout
the season and get there even maybe early in the
year when he wasn't having the necessarily outcome goals come true.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I trust that you feel good about the series. What
about tonight? I mean, can they do it three and row?
Can they go up three to zero tonight? Do you think?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
I mean, I don't think that that old He does
have some good numbers against some of the Mariner players,
one guy, and I I feel like I say this
guy's name a lot and it's Dan was talking about
it yesterday. It's like the little things at this point
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in the game make such a big difference, Like every
single pitch matters, every single out matters. I mean, Mariners
saw that, you know, the last time we were playing
baseball t Mobile Park, you know, as they stood on
their feet for the entire four hours and fifty eight minutes.
I think, but I think that you know, it's it's
going to be those little things, you know, that continue
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to matter. And this team has been and shown itself
to be so good at doing all those little things, you.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Know, just in our last few seconds here. I don't
know if people realize this. Ty France is on the
Blue Jays. He's not active because he's injured. Do you
put it past Ty France if we do walk it
off to be in a in the Mariners dugout with
as mustache on and some dark glasses.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
You're talking like game four, like he's like, I'm not
coming back to the Blue Jays for what, I'm gonna
go party with my guys. That would be.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Sneaking his way over, Like if we're leading in the
decisive game by like six runs, somehow he Bobby Valentines,
that makes it his way over into like a Mariner
uniform with a mustache and some dark glasses on and
just sits there by JP.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And the dugout for the rest of the game.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
But then I have to believe that it's sad as
he would be. He'd be there'd be a place in
his heart where he would be absolutely thrilled for the
Mariners and his dudes.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Right.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
I think he'd gets found out because a ball would
hit him while he's in the dugout and someone'd be like,
who the all just hit?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah? All right, Well we're all in a good mood.
We're laughing, we're up to Oh we're laughing. Great to
chat with you.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
The pressure shifted, there's no doubt about that. And they've
got to be they got to be puckered, they got
to be feeling it.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, all right, Well, we'll talk to you again next week.
Are we going to see you at the ballpark the
next three days or what's.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
The deal here?
Speaker 5 (31:06):
I mean probably I didn't see you guys yesterday, but.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You know, all right, all right, well we'll be there.
We'll be there. We'll track you down one way or
the other, making it act like you like us. All Right,
we'll talk to you later, all right, Angie men tink
joining us already here on chucking back. All right, So
it's been the year of Cal.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Except the fact that the Platinum Gold or Platinum Glove
Award winner is not even gonna win gold this year?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Is that what we found out? We'll talk about it next.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ R f M.
The nominees for the Gold Glove Award came in not
even a finalist, not even one of the three finalists.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Are you happy about that?
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Or no?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Mad about it? Yep?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Okay, understandably, So we love Cal. Maybe we're a little
bit skewed, isn't it. But I mean I would have
to think he would have been somewhere in the mix. Right,
they picked three guys for the finals, right? He did
to even make the top three. That's hard to do
when you have zero pass balls on the season.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Now I did see that the Dylan Dingler he's had
zero as well. He's good, but I don't see any
of the catchers that have zero.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Well, it's not just about pass balls, I mean, frankly,
it's about it's more about the metrics. Like this award
is more about analytics than any other award, And I
do like it better than what it was growing up,
where that was just a popularity contest. They actually do
try to give it to the best defensive guys. I mean,
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Rafael Palmero won it one year and he played twenty
eight games at first in DH the rest.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Of the time. Derek Jeter won it one year just
because we need to give him one.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Well he's Derek Jeter, right.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
So I mean it's a much better system than whether
they at least are trying to award it to the
guys who rank best defensively. And yet and also it's
the same system, it's the same metrics that.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
They used last year to give cal the.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Platinum Globe Award. So he did benefit from this process
last year. But for whatever reason, and I couldn't even
tell you. I don't study it close enough. I'm not
pouring over defensive metrics statistics. I do think to a
degree that they are flawed, but so I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
It's pitch framing, what the case may be.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I don't think he had nearly as high a percentage
of throwing out runners as he did a year ago.
But I you know, naked eye has to come into
this at some point. There's no way Alejandro Kirk or
Carlos Narvayaz is a better defensive catcher than Gal Rawley.
I mean there's no chance. I don't think there's one
general manager that would tell you that. And yet those
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are the two guys, along with Dylan Dingler that got
nominated as the three five Cow, not even a finalist
for Gold Glove.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, I don't know how they do where they put
the weight.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
I understand that they look at more than just pass
balls and throwing out runners, but I mean you just
look around. I mean it's Narvaas had nine errors. Now,
how do you get an air Typically it's you throw
a ball and it goes into center field and they
get they get to go to third. A base dealer
I'm speaking of Cal had four Hella Hunter Kirk had
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nine errors as well. I mean, it's I'm sure that
this is just my heart talking like, I just can't
see how there would have been anybody that would have
been more, that would have been better behind the dish.
Now that obviously I didn't watch every Boston or Toronto
or I didn't watch I didn't watch every Detroit game,
So I don't know how well those guys did. Obviously
they did well enough to be on there, but it
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seems odd that you could win the Platinum Glove and
then wouldn't even be a nominee.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
The next year.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Yeah, and it's not like there was some big drop off.
And I will say this because I am very not biased.
It's bs right.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I mean, I think he's better this year than he
was last year.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I don't understand how well.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Again, again, I'm telling you it's all math.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
They're using the defensive metrics, and I'm not sure that
those aren't flawed statistics that they use to determine defensive metrics,
really not, but that's what they pretty much base it
all on. It's not like a bias against him or
anything like that. The defensive metrics, you just didn't favor
him this year where they did a year ago. But
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I bet you if you asked Dan Wilson, he'd tell
you he's a better catcher this year than he was
last year. And another thing that defensive metrics never take
into account is it's also part of a catcher's defensive
portfolio to call pitches to make their pitchers better. And
it doesn't even go into metrics because they have no way,
They don't have a stat to come up with that.
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So I think al Rawley's the best defensive catcher in baseball.
I think he might even be better with another year
of seasoning than he was a year ago. I bet
you Cal would tell you he's better than he was
a year ago. I bet you all of his pitchers
would tell you that he's better than he was a
year ago. But this has gone the way of advanced metrics,
and I think they're flawed. And yet the same system
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that they used a year ago that honored him is costing.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Him a finalist appearance this year. Strange, very strange. I
don't think Julio's gonna win.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Julio did get nominated nominated for one of the three
finalists for centerfield. But Sedaan Rafaela of the Boston Red Sox,
who was a shortstop in a second baseman just last year,
has I'm pretty sure the top defensive runs saved in
all of baseball from the center field, so he's probably
gonna win that award over Julio. So only one Mariner nominated.
(36:44):
Five Blue Jays, by the way nominated. Wow, Yeah, they
have a good defensive team. Guerrero and ty France.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah. Ty France is a Blue Jay.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yep, yeah he is.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
He's not on the active roster. He's got an no bleak,
that's why he's not playing well.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, and he wants he just wants to watch the
Mariners win.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Maybe maybe deep within his templed face, he just wants
the Mariners to win.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, yeah, who knows.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
All right, Coming up next, we'll talk about Game three,
we'll talk about the reset. We'll talk about your superstitions
going into this game, because it seems to me a
lot of you have come up with a lot of
superstitions that are carrying us right now to a two
Z lead.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
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