October 20, 2025 • 33 mins
We are 9 hours away from ALCS game 7 in Toronto tonight. We’ve had some stinkers over this series, but tonight is win or go home, so can the Mariners pull it together and send this team somewhere it’s never been before? We sure hope so! George Kirby gets the start, but everyone will be available on the pitching staff tonight and we expect to see a lot of them get used. :30- RYON HEALY is ready for game 7! How does the Mariners offense put runs on the board? How do we navigate the pitching? We discuss it all with the former Mariner. How confident is Healy that the M’s can get it done tonight? :45- ABCs of the Mariners - J is for JP: there isn’t a lot of faith in JP right now… - K is for Kirby: George gets the start tonight and after his last outing, we are hoping for something much better! - L Is for Laugh Boy: our friend Dustin Nickerson is navigating a difficult situation and we are worried about him.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah. I was feeling that after the two zero, yeah's
let's lose a couple and then we get to Game
five where it's everybody's like, man, this guy's falling, and
then they'll seize the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Look, I mean, it's not like the Mariners just cornered
the market on big games that you played where you
don't show up and play your best. When I grew up,
every Super Bowl was a blowout. Like ten straight years,
it was nothing but blowouts. The AFC didn't seem like
it could compete with the NFC. So it's not like
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every team that ever arrives for the biggest game that
they've played that year or in a while hasn't laid
an egg on an occasion. And I think that the
Mariners did last night. They just did not play well.
They've had a couple of those games in this series
where we're sitting there like, now, now you're going.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
To play that poorly? What the hell's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
But I will say every time that they have been
pushed to the brink, whether it's regular season or postseason,
they tend to respond when they are up against it,
just like they did in Game number five, And there
were some tenuous moments, looked like it was going to
get away several times in Game five against the Detroit Tigers,
but they pulled it out, So you know, call it
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what you will.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
But here we are to Game number seven.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Coming off a lackluster performance in Game number six, and
I expect them to be sharp tonight and I expect
them to pull out the victory tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, frankly, yeah, well, I mean, yesterday felt worse than
six to two because of the ugliness in which like
made it turn into six to two, the way in
which it happened, and then the letdown when your expectations
are high for a guy like Logan Gilbert and he
goes out there and doesn't look sharp, and then you
compound that with poor defense behind him, and then you
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know them taking advantage of poor pitches and situational baseball
that we didn't play well and they did play well.
It felt worse than a six to two final. It
felt worse than just one loss in a game that
basically didn't decide your season but sends it to a
deciding Game seven for the first time ever in franchise history.
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And yet there's so many little things that if it
just goes a little differently. I mean, I the geno
air uncharacteristic. He's been pretty solid for the most part.
And yet I don't know for sure if if he
clanks that ball, if he's not thinking about looking the
runner back. But the reason that he's thinking about looking
a runner back is because Julio clanked it out in
center and turns a single into a double. There's just
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little things like that. Somebody had texted in Cal screwed
up big time swinging first pitch with the bases loaded.
No he didn't. He just didn't square it up perfect.
He hit it hard, one hundred mile an hour exit velocity.
It just so happens. If it's a foot further to
Vladimir's right, it's a it's two RBIs are scoring, two
guys are scoring. If it's if he catches it a
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half inch further down, it's a line drive in the corner,
two or three runs of scorn a full inch lower down,
and it's off. If it's off the up in the
cheaps somewhere, and you're celebrating Cal Rowley in the Year
of Cal and a Grand Slam, and we're maybe talking
about punching our ticket to the World Series. There's so
many little things in a game that it's like you
can't just say, well, they didn't do anything that was
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even remotely close to resembling a team that deserves to
go to the World Series. They just didn't do enough
little things, and the Toronto Blue Jays did. Today's a
new day starts zero zero. They don't get a carryover
from yesterday, and you just got to go out there
and prove that you're better. There's going to be about
one hundred peas strange.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It does seem strange though, that they could have stinkers
like that when they don't absolutely have to have it,
and then when they do have to have it, then
everything because to me, the Julio.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Error was a lack of focus.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's a routine high hopper easily caught and he didn't
squeeze the ball. Gino was a lack of focus. I
was worried more about the runner than I was making
the play. Leo Revos, JP Crawford base running, lack of focus.
I don't know if Logan's were. I think we just
chalked that up to just a bad day for Logan.
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Gilbert out on the mound, but I don't fear that
that's going to carry over into tonight because I've seen
too much history of them. You know, when it absolutely
does matter, everything gets tightened up. It does mystifying to
me how you could play so loose and so sloppy
and so non focused with so much at stake where
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your one went away from the world series. But maybe
they do need that extra push, Maybe they do need
that extra little bit of pressure in order for them
to be lasered in. And I expect them to be
lasered in because I've watched them do it time and
time again.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, I don't expect to see them come out tonight
looking like they did last night by any means. We
did also get a text of someone saying, well, clearly
they just didn't care.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
They don't care anymore. It's like, okay, that's absurd. Yeah,
that's basically.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
What I wrote back, like that's one of the most
ridiculous things, and the person did right back. I think
I'm just venting night, you know, And I understand every
fan is going through an higher lifetime of a roller
coaster of emotions today, So I get it.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You're they don't make it easy on you. No, I'll
give you that.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
No, they don't, and it's gonna continue.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I mean, you've got nine more hours of this roller
coaster just till the game starts, and then they're gonna
take you on a roller coaster during the game.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
So just buckle up and.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It's gonna be a blast. And Bucky's pointed this out
a lot, and maybe we're in four. I mean Game
five was unbelievable, and and Game five, and I'm talking
about this series is Game five, last series is Game
five was one of the most unforgettable sporting events you're
ever gonna watch. Yeah, And so you know, it will
all be worth it if we pull it out to
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be taken to this level of stress too, for Softy
to have to, you know, have to basically watch tonight's
game with an EMT.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah you know, yeah, I think you just put him
on a.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Drip bag and let's go.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So, I mean, it's all gonna be worth it if
we get another one of these unforgett double decisive games victories.
You know, it was worth watching the team kind of
fumble away a chance to win it in six last night,
because I kind of felt like that's what they did.
They just were were not nearly. They didn't play nearly
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as well as the team that they faced, and it
shouldn't have even been as close as it actually was.
There were a couple of times we had a chance
to get back into that thing and grounded into double plays.
So you know, it'll all be worth the ride as
long as we punched that ticket and advance to the
World Series.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, And the unfortunate possibility is the reality of you
played you know, you played one too many games with
you know, kind of a lackluster performance as far as
the outcomes and the process and the approach and all
that kind of stuff. You could find yourself looking back,
what if, what would it? Could have? Should have? And
and so I mean, you play with fire, you I
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don't want to say giveaway games, but you give away
moments in games that could be tide turning and you
you can get burnt. You play with fire, you can
get burnt. So it's one of those I'm not over
the top confident, But then again, I wasn't over the
top confident coming back to zero. At the same time,
when we lost the first two games, I wasn't like,
oh this game, this team's cooked. They're they're not as
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good all of the same things that we go through
as a fan base. There's a difference because we've never
been to the World Series, so there's a different type
of weight that kind of weighs on us. And you
see that in Softies face when you talk to him,
and you know how he's on the verge of tears
NonStop because of how much it means to him. That said,
every fan base goes through these little things that is
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just like how can he do that? Or how why
did he do that?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, we heard of that a lot, you know last
night from the crowd.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Everybody. Everybody does it. Everybody has it. They're humans, they're not.
They're out there trying to entertain us. And whether you
believe it or not, they care a lot. They care
a lot, a lot about whether or not they can
come through for themselves, for the team, for the city.
They want this just as bad as you do. Even
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if you've been a fan for fifty years. I've been
a fan for fifty years. I can tell you for
sure that if I was in that dugout, I would
care just as much as anybody else would have cared.
That's on the outside looking in. They just from time
to time don't show up and play the way that
they're capable of. But I think tonight's a night where
there's not gonna be any lack of focus. But it's
gonna come down to who does the little things right,
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who does them better? And if you can find yourself
making your twenty seven outs tougher than their twenty seven outs,
you're gonna find yourself getting to play for all the marbles.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I just wonder how many times I'm gonna throw up
between now and five fourteen.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah, at least.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Over unders at thirteen and a half. Yeah, I'm taking
it over I would.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, but yeah, Game six felt sloppy.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Game four they were just terrible.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Game three George kind of blew up, and that to
me was the key to that game. And now we
put George back out on the mound tonight in game
number seven. They have absolute faith in him, Otherwise they
wouldn't have put him in such pivotal positions to be
the starting pitcher. But as much faith as they have
in George Kirby, and I'm talking about the organization having
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in George Kirby, I mean you're going to see a
game managed like you've never seen before. I mean we've
never had a Game seven. I mean you saw a
little bit you saw it in Game five. Certainly it's
going to be that type. But we have even more
arms really at our disposal tonight. The only person that
is not going to be available is going to be
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Logan but castile my pitch. Bryce Miller, who's the only
starter that's had any effectiveness against this lineup. We might
see him for a couple of innings. Brian Woo's back,
and he only pitched two innings the other night, so
I would imagine that he is available. I certain certainly Bizardo,
even though he went two innings last night, He's available.
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Even Caleb Ferguson might have to be used at some
point in this game in a very specific situation early on.
If you're going to take George, if he doesn't go
deep into the game, I'd throw him in there to
get Addison Barger out. He has been killing us both
in the field and at the plate. And if they
want to pinch hit for Miles Straw and the third
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inning against Caleb Ferguson, and it has to be like
two outs in the inning, I don't want to set
him up for having to get three outs. Just get
us out of this inning, get this guy, or get
him out of the game. Addison Barger. I don't mind
throwing Caleb Ferguson into that specific situation and then saving
Gabe Spire for a later situation where they stack lefties
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against us. I think everybody gets used tonight, and so
don't think we're going to see a three hour game tonight,
because I think there might be about seventeen pitching changes combining.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
The two teams.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, I'm basically preparing myself for a seventeen inning game.
I mean, I don't know if there's any more Mariner
way to do this.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
You're coming in and doing the post game from here
so that you can just bleed it into the show
in the morning.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Well, I'll say that if it is seventeen innings, I
feel a lot better about our chances.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, this is that these are the games that we win.
Let it go forty nine innings, we'll win it.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
That's right. In the seventeenth inning Due.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Nails last night, Leo Rivas went nine perfect innings on
the mound. We've never seen a lob pitch be more
effective in baseball.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
History. I've been waiting my whole life for it ball.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
For eight innings, the Mariners did the unthinkable. They stranded twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Four base runners against Blue Jays pitching.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
But they won it in the bottom of the thirty.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Six wonder nothing.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
This is how legends are made.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
No, No, this is how heart attacks happened.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
You ready for it, at that is the thing.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
You have to be ready for anything and everything.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And if there's a team that I I mean, I
have a hard time, like I don't watch every Toronto
Blue Jays, but I've watched every Mariner game pretty much
for the last few years. The idea of how many
one run games they play in that is a trial
by fire type of thing. I think that this team
is kind of forged in the fire. I think that
they will rise to the occasion tonight. Not that they're
going against a team that you're going to be able
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to walk over, because that team over there believes one
hundred percent in themselves, just like the Mariners do, and
so you've got to go take it. You got to
go win it. And I just think that this team
understands what it feels like to have all the pressure,
all the stuff on them, and I think that they're
I don't think they're going to collapse under the pressure tonight.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It was one of the craziest stats I've ever heard,
is the one that Kevin Polar pointed out to us
last week where I didn't even realize just what attack
mode Toronto was in against George Kirby. So they got
the scouting report. Everybody in the league knows George Kirby
hates walking people, so he is going to come after
you and going to attack you. And the Blue Jays
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just flipped the script on him. And we should have
been prepared for that. We should have been able to
zig to their zag. And they had eighteen hits against
us in that game, not all of them against George obviously,
but the mindset going into it was one that they
attached to having to face George Kirby that had eighteen hits,
all within the first three pitches of the bad I
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mean when that was revealed to us, I mean, my
jaw hit the floor. So how are we going to respond?
How is George going to change his game up a
little bit? How long of a leash does he get tonight?
I mean, is it two base runners he gives up
two base runners and the first is he coming out
of the game.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I mean, we.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Got we've got enough that we can throw. We could
probably throw thirty innings tonight, much less nine. So we've
got enough at our disposal that we don't have to
suffer through anybody's struggle at this point. So, I mean,
just so much strategy pouring into this. Does George then
react to what they did to him the last time?
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And then are they prepared for that reaction from George Kirby?
And then even if he does get effective, I mean,
how much wiggle room do you give him?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And any given time.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
If he's through five and he's blowing through people and
then he gives up back to back runners in the sixth,
do you take them out?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
All of that goes into.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Them and all of it is going to be questioned
if it doesn't go right well, And that's.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
The beauty of being a sports fan, for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, that's the beauty. It's really annoying, but it is
the beauty of it. I to me, it's you pitch
to the scoreboard, right, so it start zero zero, so
you pitch like every single pitch. Is the difference in
the game. And one thing, I mean, I've thought it
with from the beginning of this series, that this team
puts the ball in play, and this team is going
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to be aggressive, because you should be aggressive against the
Mariner starters. You should be aggressive. They are known for
pounding the zone. They are known for trusting their stuff.
I don't want them to not trust their stuff. I
just want them to be careful, right, And so there's
a way you can throw a pitch with convictions, saying
I'm putting this right in up underneath Vladimir Gaurero's hands
that top corner, and I'm hitting it and if I
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miss and it goes in, I don't care if it
hits him. Off is our elbow? Okay? Runner does it? Score?
Does it hit his elbow? And he gets a jog
around the base? Says no, now, because the next guy's
gonna come up and I'm gonna dot it on the
outside corner. If I miss, I'm gonna miss down in
a way. If I fall behind, fine, I trust that
I can make another pitch. And if there's one guy
that I have the most confidence that he can just
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paint the box all the way around that box, it's
George Kirby, and yet he has to go out there
thinking that. Don't go out there thinking remember when we
heard it was that Bryce Miller said he gave up
that leadoff home run. And we have a joke that says,
first pitch doesn't count. Yeah, yeah, that's because they think
rare back let it eat. And you do that during
the regular season because you need to go deep. You
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can't say, well, if I go four shutout innings and
we get five out of our bullpen every single night,
you're not gonna have a bullpen at the end of
the year. You have to go deeper than that. So
you have to challenge guys and hope they hit it
at guys. That's not the way you approach this game.
You approach this game saying I'm going to paint and
if I miss, I'm missing away from damage period. And
if you walk a guy, fine, just keep never give in,
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never give in, and you have good enough stuff you
don't have to give in. And then if I think
that their aggressiveness will go work against them, then they
might not. Showing you at the first one that's two
inches off the plate away, put another one that's one
inch off the plate, groundball, to second base. Don't say, Okay,
well here you go, here's a cookie, because that one's
gonna end up in the gap. They're gonna be ready
to rock and roll. They're they're not going to change
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their game plan that worked against you, So if you
change yours, it's advantage. George Kirby and I think that
he will.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, and zero worry about pitch count or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
They burn that building down, We don't.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Worry about that because we've got everybody that we can
throw tonight. So that's the time of night it's gonna be.
We're gonna be joined by Ryan Healey next. We'll get
his thoughts on game six, Game seven. Both Sports Radio
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Speaker 3 (16:58):
Ashley, are you ready for a game seven?
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, Bucky? Are you ready for a Game seven?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I'm not getting anything tattooed on my face, but yes.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Ryan Heally is with us. Are you ready for a
game seven?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Heley?
Speaker 7 (17:12):
I can't feel my face out of these players still
right now, because I can't imagine.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I can't feel my face.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I can't even feel my face.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Ryan Heally's been with us throughout the postgame show form
or Mariner and we've had a ball chatting with him
throughout this entire process, and we want to carry it
into the World Series. So here we go. Game seven.
Gotta be done tonight. How you feeling, how you're really
feeling about this team tonight?
Speaker 7 (17:39):
So confused, but honestly so excited. The last time we talked,
it was just after Game four, and I was feeling
frustrated the emotions that I'm sure Mariners fans have lived
with for the last twenty four years, and I felt
it to my soul. And then they come out there
and they make me feel like the most beautiful girl
in the ball and they hit a grand Slam in
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the bottom of the eighth inning, a Cal Rawley game
tying home run. It's just so confusing, I thought Rick
Riz summed it up perfectly on his broadcast yesterday. They're
they're the cardiac kids. If we love them, we have
to love every version of them, and we're gonna love
them all the way through Game seven.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
What did you think of Game six? Then let's go
ahead and let's let's dust that off. Let's get that
out there, and then we can focus on Game seven.
Because I had a lot of similar feelings after Game
four that I experienced last night.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
See, that's interesting because I didn't. I didn't have those
same feelings after Game six. I felt like we had
a lot more opportunity to score runs. It didn't happen.
Baseball is unfortunately the most cruel game out there. The
same situation happened in Game five to the Blue Jays,
A bases loaded.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
What happened there? Hold on? Hold on? Hold on right,
I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I don't Yeah, we gotta get his audioh got his
audio back, all right, I think we got your My
internet doesn't work before nine, am so really.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Right line right now? It's nice.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
But I didn't have those same feelings Chuck. Yes, yeah,
I didn't feel like the Mariners gave the game away.
I thought you savage through tremendous. Yes, the defense, that's
such a fluke though, Like this is one of the
best defensive teams in the league and they'll showcase that tonight.
But I think the jitters were there early. Hopefully they
got them out so they won't show up in Game seven.
But the offense had some opportunity. They'll come through. They
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have come through all season, but their backs have been
up against the wall, and I think there's like a
sick part of the Mariners that wanted a Game seven
just to really feel the pressure. And I'm excited to
see how they show up tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Well, I mean, we got George Kirby on the bump,
and obviously he didn't have a very good outing. It
was a four innings, eight runs, eight hits. The first
time your boy Kevin Polar came on and he dropped
the stat of all eighteen hits that game came in
the first three pitches of the bad I mean, it
makes sense. It's a recipe that the Mariners trust their stuff.
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They pound the zone, and you're going against team that
puts the ball in play and they just were ultra aggressive.
So do you expect George to come out there and
just do the same thing that didn't work out last time,
or maybe be a little bit more cautious and try
to pound the corners? All right? Now he's not hearing us.
Oh man, he lost audio. He looks can hear us? Now? Yeah?
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He does look sharp. Yeah he's thumbs up, but we
can't hear him. He's got a thumbs up to what
the heck? Helly, it's Game seven.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, yeah, can you hear us now? Say something? Ryan
say something?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I'm here, Okay, who's here? Bucky?
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Repeat the question? I lost you a Kevin Pillar. You
talked about the adjustments that they were making here.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, yeah, Kevin had brought up the stat that they
had hit got all eighteen hits on the first three
pitches of the bat and so they were ultra aggressive,
and that makes sense because of how our pitching staff
pounds his zone and doesn't throw a bunch of balls,
and so it just was a recipe for disaster. Do
you expect George to continue the I trust my stuff
will get you out. I'm gonna just go ahead and
throw it in the zone. Or do you think he
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makes an adjustment says it's okay if I walk a
guy here and there, I'm gonna pitch the edges of
the zone. If I miss, I'm gonna miss away from danger.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
There's gonna be specific situations where he's okay with walking
a guy, And I think there's batters in this lineup
where you can navigate around. But the one thing that
I'm gonna look for for George early tonight is he
able to command that slider if he can get that
slider in the zone early, it's going to expand for
Chase because there are some players in this lineup that
will expand. We saw Kirk chase a slider in the
left handed batters box the other night, so I know
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that there's guys that are Chase. We cannot let Vladimir
Guerrero Junior win Game seven for the Blue Jays. I
think that's like the name we're circling. That's the non
negotiable in this game. We have to force the rest
of the lineup to beat us. And the leadoff doubles.
I don't know how you mitigate leadoff doubles. That's the
probably really locking in from pitch one to lead off
an inning of how do we keep traffic off the bases.
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But if George can command that slider in the zone early,
and I'd look to see that sinker if he can,
if he can move right handed hitters off of the plate,
meaning throw that sinker underneath their hands, it's gonna open
up the slider for the outside part of the plate.
And I'm really curious see if he'll be able to
command that back door to seemer to click the outide
part of the zone. But his command and his execution
of his secondary pitches earlier are going to be really
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important because that's where he ran the trouble in the
last start.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
All right, what's the key to scoring runs? Then tonight
for the MS.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
We know what it is.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
For the MS, it's hit home runs. So how do
we get players on base that the home runs aren't
solo shots? And I thought they did a nice job
that last night they flip the lineup a little bit
by moving Julio up to the leadoff spot.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I don't mind that. I thought cal Rawley hit a
couple of balls balls hard.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Yesterday, Polonko hit a couple balls off the end of
the bat to right field that could have been Homer's.
There was another ball that went at the top of
the wall that I think Revos hit. Like there's good
slings going around the numbers from top to bottom for
these Mariners, Like if you look at the bottom through
the lineup, they don't look tremendous. But for me, if
they can get on base, like Randy Rose, Raina is
finding ways to contribute to this team. Two hits the
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other night as well, So I'm interested to see how
are we able to get bodies on the bases so
that when these big dudes come up and they connect
with one into two to three run home run. But
that's how the Mariners got here, and that's how they
brought it this to a game seven, So I don't
expect any different.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
All right, take me inside the hitters meeting against Shane Bieber.
I mean, veteran guy. He doesn't seem like he's going
to give in either. He had a good, good outing
against us his first time around. What do they got
to do to knock him around?
Speaker 7 (23:12):
That's a great question. I thought that him and Insurzer
did a really good job similar pitch repertoires, between multiple
breaking balls, moving away from o ron handed hitters, and
locating fastballs early. This is a situation where you're gonna
have to be aggressive early in his fastball, and you're
gonna have to be willing to make adjustment. They're gonna
have a game plan, they're gonna have a hitters meeting,
They're gonna know exactly what Bieber's trying to do to them,
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but there's gonna have to be adjustments from inning to inning,
because that's where I think they lost Shane in the
last starts. He made an adjustment in the second inning
on and the Mariners never counterstrike to that adjustment that
Bieber made. So I'm curious how they adjust inning to inning,
And I really like to see opportunities when we're at
this bottom third of the order. I think one of
those three guys between Crawford, Canzone or Rebos is gonna
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get a big hit tonight. But I'm also gonna see
them moving runners over when the lineup turns around.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
If I set the number at ten and a half
of pitchers used tonight by both teams combined, you take.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
The over or the under on that.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Overall day like this is. They were talking last night
in the broadcast of how many starting pitchers would be
available in the bullpen with Jayson Night. This is going
to be a long, long box score for both teams
in the pitching side.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So what are you feeling? What's your gut tell you
what's gonna happen. What's the result here tonight?
Speaker 7 (24:28):
I think the Mariners win in fifteen?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Ah, I said seventeen.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Oh man, I can't take it. I can't.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I can't.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Why I had to take my or ring off last night.
My heart rate was getting too high, and if it
goes a seventeen, I might just have to throw this
thing away.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Well, of the three men in this conversation, you're the
only healthy one amongst us. So if it's doing that
to you, imagine what is doing to both screwed man baseball?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Well what a treat? Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
All right, man, Well enjoy it tonight. We'll catch up
with you in the next chance that we have. Man,
it's gonna be some fun, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Enjoy the journey, all right, no control over the outcome,
so just enjoy show.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
All right.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
There he is Ryan Heally joining us right here on
Chuck a Buck In the morning. We'll have an entire
Mariner hour before we hand things over to talk a
little football here this morning.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
We do have a Monday night football game.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Of course, Hugh Millan will be with us at nine,
Mike Holmber will be with us at nine point thirty.
So what could we possibly do in our segment? Next
segment it's ABC's at the m's time on Sports Radio
ninety three point three KJRFM. So this is our last
full scale baseball segment. Not that we won't talk a
little bit of Baseball in the nine o'clock hour. But
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this is the last concentrated baseball segment and it's the
ABC's of the ms our Daily Mariner segment. We allow
the alphabet to be the guide through this segment, and
so we left off of the JJ is four JP.
I don't really like the way JP Crawford looks at
the plate right now. Frankly, he's the only guy in
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the entire lineup that I feel like, h no, that's
the end of the inning, you know. I don't feel
that way with anybody else but him, And so I
don't know, I feel better with Leo Revoss If that's
who we're gonna start hitting higher in the order and
putting JP ninth. He's batting like a ninth place hitter
right now to me, one eighty seven nine batting average
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in the postseason. He had that one home run. It's
his only extra base hit. He's not getting walks. He
just to me, feels like an out right now. He
just feels like if he doesn't get a walk, he's
gonna make it out.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
And I don't want.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
To be there with him because he's been with this
team for so long and such a valuable part of
this team. But I have the least amount of faith
in him right now at the plate as I do
anybody on the roster, including Mitch Garverer.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, I cannot go there, but I do. I'm I
don't like the way he's swinging it. He hasn't, he hasn't.
He's really cooled off in this series. In particularly, I
think he only has one hit now. He did he
walked twice last night, he walked once the game before,
and ultimately that's kind of I don't want to say
that's what you're hoping for, but you're like, that's a
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bare minimum. Is grinder AB's the bare minimum? Grinder Abs.
If you end up blooping one out over shortstop, fine,
if lightning strikes twice in this postseason and you drop
head on one, we'll take that too. But I'm not
expecting that. I'm just expecting grinder AB's out of him,
And I'm with you, I wouldn't mind if Rivas went
ahead of him, because I do think there's I don't
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think he the moment's too big for him by any
stretching imagination, but regardless, I just need tougher Abs out
of those guys. I mean canzone is one we're not expecting.
I'm expecting the exact opposite out of canzone as I
do out of JP JP. I want grinder AB's and
then just fight stuff off and maybe put something in
play in it finds some grass somewhere zone on the end,
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I'm looking for ambush city. I'm looking for you to
get to the bottom half of the ball and back
spin that thing and do damage, because ultimately, I think
you're gonna have to hit a couple of balls out
of the yard tonight to win. I think you're gonna
This team does rely a lot on the long ball.
But if it's if it's Julio going yard after JP's
worked a walk or Revos has worked to walk, somebody
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down there at the bottom of the order does what
they do as a role player. Now, all of a sudden,
you're putting crooked numbers on the board, and that's gonna
be a huge.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Boost kas for Kirby.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Let's face it, this game, we'll start with George Kirby
and how excellent he could be. Well, it starts with
our offense taking the field first, and I would like
to just get a number on the board in the
top of the first inning and really set the tone.
But certainly what we're going to be most interested in,
after having watched the Blue Jays kind of tattoo him
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in his last start, is George Kirby and how well
he is going to pitch tonight. What is your expectation
for Kas For Kirby, I'm expecting a really good game.
To be honest, I know that the recent history doesn't
lead people down that path, and yet to me, the adjustment,
they're not going to change their plan. Their plan is
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if he tries pounding the zone, we are crushing him early.
And ultimately that's maybe a hard habit for these guys
to break, right. I mean, they've went through two hundred
innings or whatever of kind of rearing back and saying,
first pitch, try.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
To hit this well. They can hit it. They can
hit it, especially if you leave it over the heart.
To me, I'm pitching like my goal is to go
out there and obviously go further, but I'm thinking three
zeros and that starts with the one zero right off
the bat, and you're gonna be going against some guys
that can hit and I'm thinking I'm going to the
corners and if I miss. I'm missing off the plate.
I don't care if that's in. I don't care if
he hit George Springer again, I don't care if he
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hit Vlad Guerrero, I don't I'm missing away from damage,
and I can pitch around a walk I can make still,
keep making good pitches to the next guy, get a groundball,
double play all of a sudden. Those We know how
much of backbreakers those can be. So to me, as
long as he makes the adjustment and doesn't think I
trust my stuff, I'm gonna throw it in the zone
and see if you can hit it. If it's more
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of I'm going to not lose conviction of the pitch. Still, No,
you ain't touching that. You ain't touching that, and attack
these guys, but attack the edge of the zone and
miss away from danger. If he does that, I think
you're looking at three Indians. I wouldn't be surprised if
he does go five and you're like, we send him
out there for the sixth.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Fine, let's put ourselves in that point.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I think k is for strikeouts, Yeah, yeah, for Kirby strikeouts.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I mean it's the old control versus command debate. We
know you have control. We know you can throw a
strike whenever you want, but can you command where you're
throwing that strike. There's no giving in, there is no
trust my stuff. I'm just gonna lay it out, not
the way they're swinging it right now, and not the
way that they battered you around in the last game.
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So I need George to be fine. And if you
have that great a PenPoint control, like Bucky said, put
it on the corners at the knees. It's still the
best pitching baseball is the seed is the p at
the knee on the outside corner. Just to give him
a diet of that. Maybe they get a couple of hits,
but they're not going to crush you if you live
out there. So we'll see which Georgia we get tonight. Finally,
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ellis for laugh Boy Dustin Nickerson, our friend. Yeah, he
doesn't know what to do with himself. It seems like
we have our best success when he's on stage. He
tried to fake it last night by standing on a
piece of luggage in his home and doing stand up
to his dog. Apparently he was bombing as well, so
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he's really taking this Ashley Ryan, It's all about me
and my juju, whether or not we win tonight.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
To a whole new level.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And plus all of his fans think that he hasked
to do a stage show in order for us to
win tonight. He even tried to reconcile it by saying, no,
it only happens and road or home games. Home games,
so he and know what to do with himself. So
I'm worried about laugh boy.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, I think that I love I love his posts.
They're actually really funny. He should maybe think about doing
that as a career and being up and coming comedian someday.
I don't think you're alone. I don't believe in much
of that stuff, and yet I find myself doing it.
Do you remember walking out after Game four? We were
walking out of the stadium going over to Jimmy's to
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do our post game and we usually walk out that
back door of the stadium and then we go walk
around where they have the Lost and Found coats, and
I'm going that way and I said, hold on, I'll
catch up to you, and I stopped and went the
other way.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That was just because I'm like, I'm not going that way.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
You got a little bit in it. I do more
of it than I do.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
But I don't believe it does anything, but I do it,
like I know it's dumb and it's not really doing anything,
and yet I do it. I won't chew the zin
that's blue because we're playing the Blue Jays.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Oh things that are blue, I just or red. But
then it's hard because the Mariners have blue. So then
it's like, well, there's that kind of just can't wear
like a Toronto blue.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
But I don't know. I don't really think that what
I do does anything.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
But at the same time, like sometimes you forget something
and then you go do it, and then they do
something good good, and you're like, wait a minute, did
that have play a part in that?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yours is definitely along the lines of intervention.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
No, I get that.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Lack Boy said that the moment he stood up on
the suitcase Naylor hit the home run earlier.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Really confused him.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
He doesn't know what to do with himself, all right,
e Millen'll join us next Sports Radio ninety three point
three kh A r f M
Yeah. I was feeling that after the two zero, yeah's
let's lose a couple and then we get to Game
five where it's everybody's like, man, this guy's falling, and
then they'll seize the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Look, I mean, it's not like the Mariners just cornered
the market on big games that you played where you
don't show up and play your best. When I grew up,
every Super Bowl was a blowout. Like ten straight years,
it was nothing but blowouts. The AFC didn't seem like
it could compete with the NFC. So it's not like
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every team that ever arrives for the biggest game that
they've played that year or in a while hasn't laid
an egg on an occasion. And I think that the
Mariners did last night. They just did not play well.
They've had a couple of those games in this series
where we're sitting there like, now, now you're going.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
To play that poorly? What the hell's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
But I will say every time that they have been
pushed to the brink, whether it's regular season or postseason,
they tend to respond when they are up against it,
just like they did in Game number five, And there
were some tenuous moments, looked like it was going to
get away several times in Game five against the Detroit Tigers,
but they pulled it out, So you know, call it
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what you will.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
But here we are to Game number seven.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Coming off a lackluster performance in Game number six, and
I expect them to be sharp tonight and I expect
them to pull out the victory tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, frankly, yeah, well, I mean, yesterday felt worse than
six to two because of the ugliness in which like
made it turn into six to two, the way in
which it happened, and then the letdown when your expectations
are high for a guy like Logan Gilbert and he
goes out there and doesn't look sharp, and then you
compound that with poor defense behind him, and then you
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know them taking advantage of poor pitches and situational baseball
that we didn't play well and they did play well.
It felt worse than a six to two final. It
felt worse than just one loss in a game that
basically didn't decide your season but sends it to a
deciding Game seven for the first time ever in franchise history.
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And yet there's so many little things that if it
just goes a little differently. I mean, I the geno
air uncharacteristic. He's been pretty solid for the most part.
And yet I don't know for sure if if he
clanks that ball, if he's not thinking about looking the
runner back. But the reason that he's thinking about looking
a runner back is because Julio clanked it out in
center and turns a single into a double. There's just
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little things like that. Somebody had texted in Cal screwed
up big time swinging first pitch with the bases loaded.
No he didn't. He just didn't square it up perfect.
He hit it hard, one hundred mile an hour exit velocity.
It just so happens. If it's a foot further to
Vladimir's right, it's a it's two RBIs are scoring, two
guys are scoring. If it's if he catches it a
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half inch further down, it's a line drive in the corner,
two or three runs of scorn a full inch lower down,
and it's off. If it's off the up in the
cheaps somewhere, and you're celebrating Cal Rowley in the Year
of Cal and a Grand Slam, and we're maybe talking
about punching our ticket to the World Series. There's so
many little things in a game that it's like you
can't just say, well, they didn't do anything that was
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even remotely close to resembling a team that deserves to
go to the World Series. They just didn't do enough
little things, and the Toronto Blue Jays did. Today's a
new day starts zero zero. They don't get a carryover
from yesterday, and you just got to go out there
and prove that you're better. There's going to be about
one hundred peas strange.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It does seem strange though, that they could have stinkers
like that when they don't absolutely have to have it,
and then when they do have to have it, then
everything because to me, the Julio.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Error was a lack of focus.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's a routine high hopper easily caught and he didn't
squeeze the ball. Gino was a lack of focus. I
was worried more about the runner than I was making
the play. Leo Revos, JP Crawford base running, lack of focus.
I don't know if Logan's were. I think we just
chalked that up to just a bad day for Logan.
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Gilbert out on the mound, but I don't fear that
that's going to carry over into tonight because I've seen
too much history of them. You know, when it absolutely
does matter, everything gets tightened up. It does mystifying to
me how you could play so loose and so sloppy
and so non focused with so much at stake where
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your one went away from the world series. But maybe
they do need that extra push, Maybe they do need
that extra little bit of pressure in order for them
to be lasered in. And I expect them to be
lasered in because I've watched them do it time and
time again.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, I don't expect to see them come out tonight
looking like they did last night by any means. We
did also get a text of someone saying, well, clearly
they just didn't care.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
They don't care anymore. It's like, okay, that's absurd. Yeah,
that's basically.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
What I wrote back, like that's one of the most
ridiculous things, and the person did right back. I think
I'm just venting night, you know, And I understand every
fan is going through an higher lifetime of a roller
coaster of emotions today, So I get it.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You're they don't make it easy on you. No, I'll
give you that.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
No, they don't, and it's gonna continue.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I mean, you've got nine more hours of this roller
coaster just till the game starts, and then they're gonna
take you on a roller coaster during the game.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
So just buckle up and.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It's gonna be a blast. And Bucky's pointed this out
a lot, and maybe we're in four. I mean Game
five was unbelievable, and and Game five, and I'm talking
about this series is Game five, last series is Game
five was one of the most unforgettable sporting events you're
ever gonna watch. Yeah, And so you know, it will
all be worth it if we pull it out to
(05:40):
be taken to this level of stress too, for Softy
to have to, you know, have to basically watch tonight's
game with an EMT.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah you know, yeah, I think you just put him
on a.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Drip bag and let's go.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So, I mean, it's all gonna be worth it if
we get another one of these unforgett double decisive games victories.
You know, it was worth watching the team kind of
fumble away a chance to win it in six last night,
because I kind of felt like that's what they did.
They just were were not nearly. They didn't play nearly
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as well as the team that they faced, and it
shouldn't have even been as close as it actually was.
There were a couple of times we had a chance
to get back into that thing and grounded into double plays.
So you know, it'll all be worth the ride as
long as we punched that ticket and advance to the
World Series.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, And the unfortunate possibility is the reality of you
played you know, you played one too many games with
you know, kind of a lackluster performance as far as
the outcomes and the process and the approach and all
that kind of stuff. You could find yourself looking back,
what if, what would it? Could have? Should have? And
and so I mean, you play with fire, you I
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don't want to say giveaway games, but you give away
moments in games that could be tide turning and you
you can get burnt. You play with fire, you can
get burnt. So it's one of those I'm not over
the top confident, But then again, I wasn't over the
top confident coming back to zero. At the same time,
when we lost the first two games, I wasn't like,
oh this game, this team's cooked. They're they're not as
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good all of the same things that we go through
as a fan base. There's a difference because we've never
been to the World Series, so there's a different type
of weight that kind of weighs on us. And you
see that in Softies face when you talk to him,
and you know how he's on the verge of tears
NonStop because of how much it means to him. That said,
every fan base goes through these little things that is
(07:36):
just like how can he do that? Or how why
did he do that?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, we heard of that a lot, you know last
night from the crowd.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Everybody. Everybody does it. Everybody has it. They're humans, they're not.
They're out there trying to entertain us. And whether you
believe it or not, they care a lot. They care
a lot, a lot about whether or not they can
come through for themselves, for the team, for the city.
They want this just as bad as you do. Even
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if you've been a fan for fifty years. I've been
a fan for fifty years. I can tell you for
sure that if I was in that dugout, I would
care just as much as anybody else would have cared.
That's on the outside looking in. They just from time
to time don't show up and play the way that
they're capable of. But I think tonight's a night where
there's not gonna be any lack of focus. But it's
gonna come down to who does the little things right,
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who does them better? And if you can find yourself
making your twenty seven outs tougher than their twenty seven outs,
you're gonna find yourself getting to play for all the marbles.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I just wonder how many times I'm gonna throw up
between now and five fourteen.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah, at least.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Over unders at thirteen and a half. Yeah, I'm taking
it over I would.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, but yeah, Game six felt sloppy.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Game four they were just terrible.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Game three George kind of blew up, and that to
me was the key to that game. And now we
put George back out on the mound tonight in game
number seven. They have absolute faith in him, Otherwise they
wouldn't have put him in such pivotal positions to be
the starting pitcher. But as much faith as they have
in George Kirby, and I'm talking about the organization having
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in George Kirby, I mean you're going to see a
game managed like you've never seen before. I mean we've
never had a Game seven. I mean you saw a
little bit you saw it in Game five. Certainly it's
going to be that type. But we have even more
arms really at our disposal tonight. The only person that
is not going to be available is going to be
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Logan but castile my pitch. Bryce Miller, who's the only
starter that's had any effectiveness against this lineup. We might
see him for a couple of innings. Brian Woo's back,
and he only pitched two innings the other night, so
I would imagine that he is available. I certain certainly Bizardo,
even though he went two innings last night, He's available.
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Even Caleb Ferguson might have to be used at some
point in this game in a very specific situation early on.
If you're going to take George, if he doesn't go
deep into the game, I'd throw him in there to
get Addison Barger out. He has been killing us both
in the field and at the plate. And if they
want to pinch hit for Miles Straw and the third
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inning against Caleb Ferguson, and it has to be like
two outs in the inning, I don't want to set
him up for having to get three outs. Just get
us out of this inning, get this guy, or get
him out of the game. Addison Barger. I don't mind
throwing Caleb Ferguson into that specific situation and then saving
Gabe Spire for a later situation where they stack lefties
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against us. I think everybody gets used tonight, and so
don't think we're going to see a three hour game tonight,
because I think there might be about seventeen pitching changes combining.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
The two teams.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, I'm basically preparing myself for a seventeen inning game.
I mean, I don't know if there's any more Mariner
way to do this.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
You're coming in and doing the post game from here
so that you can just bleed it into the show
in the morning.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Well, I'll say that if it is seventeen innings, I
feel a lot better about our chances.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, this is that these are the games that we win.
Let it go forty nine innings, we'll win it.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
That's right. In the seventeenth inning Due.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Nails last night, Leo Rivas went nine perfect innings on
the mound. We've never seen a lob pitch be more
effective in baseball.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
History. I've been waiting my whole life for it ball.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
For eight innings, the Mariners did the unthinkable. They stranded twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Four base runners against Blue Jays pitching.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
But they won it in the bottom of the thirty.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Six wonder nothing.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
This is how legends are made.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
No, No, this is how heart attacks happened.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
You ready for it, at that is the thing.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
You have to be ready for anything and everything.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And if there's a team that I I mean, I
have a hard time, like I don't watch every Toronto
Blue Jays, but I've watched every Mariner game pretty much
for the last few years. The idea of how many
one run games they play in that is a trial
by fire type of thing. I think that this team
is kind of forged in the fire. I think that
they will rise to the occasion tonight. Not that they're
going against a team that you're going to be able
(12:19):
to walk over, because that team over there believes one
hundred percent in themselves, just like the Mariners do, and
so you've got to go take it. You got to
go win it. And I just think that this team
understands what it feels like to have all the pressure,
all the stuff on them, and I think that they're
I don't think they're going to collapse under the pressure tonight.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It was one of the craziest stats I've ever heard,
is the one that Kevin Polar pointed out to us
last week where I didn't even realize just what attack
mode Toronto was in against George Kirby. So they got
the scouting report. Everybody in the league knows George Kirby
hates walking people, so he is going to come after
you and going to attack you. And the Blue Jays
(12:57):
just flipped the script on him. And we should have
been prepared for that. We should have been able to
zig to their zag. And they had eighteen hits against
us in that game, not all of them against George obviously,
but the mindset going into it was one that they
attached to having to face George Kirby that had eighteen hits,
all within the first three pitches of the bad I
(13:19):
mean when that was revealed to us, I mean, my
jaw hit the floor. So how are we going to respond?
How is George going to change his game up a
little bit? How long of a leash does he get tonight?
I mean, is it two base runners he gives up
two base runners and the first is he coming out
of the game.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I mean, we.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Got we've got enough that we can throw. We could
probably throw thirty innings tonight, much less nine. So we've
got enough at our disposal that we don't have to
suffer through anybody's struggle at this point. So, I mean,
just so much strategy pouring into this. Does George then
react to what they did to him the last time?
(13:59):
And then are they prepared for that reaction from George Kirby?
And then even if he does get effective, I mean,
how much wiggle room do you give him?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And any given time.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
If he's through five and he's blowing through people and
then he gives up back to back runners in the sixth,
do you take them out?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
All of that goes into.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Them and all of it is going to be questioned
if it doesn't go right well, And that's.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
The beauty of being a sports fan, for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, that's the beauty. It's really annoying, but it is
the beauty of it. I to me, it's you pitch
to the scoreboard, right, so it start zero zero, so
you pitch like every single pitch. Is the difference in
the game. And one thing, I mean, I've thought it
with from the beginning of this series, that this team
puts the ball in play, and this team is going
(14:44):
to be aggressive, because you should be aggressive against the
Mariner starters. You should be aggressive. They are known for
pounding the zone. They are known for trusting their stuff.
I don't want them to not trust their stuff. I
just want them to be careful, right, And so there's
a way you can throw a pitch with convictions, saying
I'm putting this right in up underneath Vladimir Gaurero's hands
that top corner, and I'm hitting it and if I
(15:06):
miss and it goes in, I don't care if it
hits him. Off is our elbow? Okay? Runner does it? Score?
Does it hit his elbow? And he gets a jog
around the base? Says no, now, because the next guy's
gonna come up and I'm gonna dot it on the
outside corner. If I miss, I'm gonna miss down in
a way. If I fall behind, fine, I trust that
I can make another pitch. And if there's one guy
that I have the most confidence that he can just
(15:28):
paint the box all the way around that box, it's
George Kirby, and yet he has to go out there
thinking that. Don't go out there thinking remember when we
heard it was that Bryce Miller said he gave up
that leadoff home run. And we have a joke that says,
first pitch doesn't count. Yeah, yeah, that's because they think
rare back let it eat. And you do that during
the regular season because you need to go deep. You
(15:49):
can't say, well, if I go four shutout innings and
we get five out of our bullpen every single night,
you're not gonna have a bullpen at the end of
the year. You have to go deeper than that. So
you have to challenge guys and hope they hit it
at guys. That's not the way you approach this game.
You approach this game saying I'm going to paint and
if I miss, I'm missing away from damage period. And
if you walk a guy, fine, just keep never give in,
(16:11):
never give in, and you have good enough stuff you
don't have to give in. And then if I think
that their aggressiveness will go work against them, then they
might not. Showing you at the first one that's two
inches off the plate away, put another one that's one
inch off the plate, groundball, to second base. Don't say, Okay,
well here you go, here's a cookie, because that one's
gonna end up in the gap. They're gonna be ready
to rock and roll. They're they're not going to change
(16:33):
their game plan that worked against you, So if you
change yours, it's advantage. George Kirby and I think that
he will.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, and zero worry about pitch count or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
They burn that building down, We don't.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Worry about that because we've got everybody that we can
throw tonight. So that's the time of night it's gonna be.
We're gonna be joined by Ryan Healey next. We'll get
his thoughts on game six, Game seven. Both Sports Radio
ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Ashley, are you ready for a game seven?
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, Bucky? Are you ready for a Game seven?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I'm not getting anything tattooed on my face, but yes.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Ryan Heally is with us. Are you ready for a
game seven?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Heley?
Speaker 7 (17:12):
I can't feel my face out of these players still
right now, because I can't imagine.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I can't feel my face.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I can't even feel my face.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Ryan Heally's been with us throughout the postgame show form
or Mariner and we've had a ball chatting with him
throughout this entire process, and we want to carry it
into the World Series. So here we go. Game seven.
Gotta be done tonight. How you feeling, how you're really
feeling about this team tonight?
Speaker 7 (17:39):
So confused, but honestly so excited. The last time we talked,
it was just after Game four, and I was feeling
frustrated the emotions that I'm sure Mariners fans have lived
with for the last twenty four years, and I felt
it to my soul. And then they come out there
and they make me feel like the most beautiful girl
in the ball and they hit a grand Slam in
(18:00):
the bottom of the eighth inning, a Cal Rawley game
tying home run. It's just so confusing, I thought Rick
Riz summed it up perfectly on his broadcast yesterday. They're
they're the cardiac kids. If we love them, we have
to love every version of them, and we're gonna love
them all the way through Game seven.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
What did you think of Game six? Then let's go
ahead and let's let's dust that off. Let's get that
out there, and then we can focus on Game seven.
Because I had a lot of similar feelings after Game
four that I experienced last night.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
See, that's interesting because I didn't. I didn't have those
same feelings after Game six. I felt like we had
a lot more opportunity to score runs. It didn't happen.
Baseball is unfortunately the most cruel game out there. The
same situation happened in Game five to the Blue Jays,
A bases loaded.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
What happened there? Hold on? Hold on? Hold on right,
I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I don't Yeah, we gotta get his audioh got his
audio back, all right, I think we got your My
internet doesn't work before nine, am so really.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Right line right now? It's nice.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
But I didn't have those same feelings Chuck. Yes, yeah,
I didn't feel like the Mariners gave the game away.
I thought you savage through tremendous. Yes, the defense, that's
such a fluke though, Like this is one of the
best defensive teams in the league and they'll showcase that tonight.
But I think the jitters were there early. Hopefully they
got them out so they won't show up in Game seven.
But the offense had some opportunity. They'll come through. They
(19:17):
have come through all season, but their backs have been
up against the wall, and I think there's like a
sick part of the Mariners that wanted a Game seven
just to really feel the pressure. And I'm excited to
see how they show up tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Well, I mean, we got George Kirby on the bump,
and obviously he didn't have a very good outing. It
was a four innings, eight runs, eight hits. The first
time your boy Kevin Polar came on and he dropped
the stat of all eighteen hits that game came in
the first three pitches of the bad I mean, it
makes sense. It's a recipe that the Mariners trust their stuff.
(19:48):
They pound the zone, and you're going against team that
puts the ball in play and they just were ultra aggressive.
So do you expect George to come out there and
just do the same thing that didn't work out last time,
or maybe be a little bit more cautious and try
to pound the corners? All right? Now he's not hearing us.
Oh man, he lost audio. He looks can hear us? Now? Yeah?
(20:11):
He does look sharp. Yeah he's thumbs up, but we
can't hear him. He's got a thumbs up to what
the heck? Helly, it's Game seven.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, yeah, can you hear us now? Say something? Ryan
say something?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I'm here, Okay, who's here? Bucky?
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Repeat the question? I lost you a Kevin Pillar. You
talked about the adjustments that they were making here.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, yeah, Kevin had brought up the stat that they
had hit got all eighteen hits on the first three
pitches of the bat and so they were ultra aggressive,
and that makes sense because of how our pitching staff
pounds his zone and doesn't throw a bunch of balls,
and so it just was a recipe for disaster. Do
you expect George to continue the I trust my stuff
will get you out. I'm gonna just go ahead and
throw it in the zone. Or do you think he
(20:50):
makes an adjustment says it's okay if I walk a
guy here and there, I'm gonna pitch the edges of
the zone. If I miss, I'm gonna miss away from danger.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
There's gonna be specific situations where he's okay with walking
a guy, And I think there's batters in this lineup
where you can navigate around. But the one thing that
I'm gonna look for for George early tonight is he
able to command that slider if he can get that
slider in the zone early, it's going to expand for
Chase because there are some players in this lineup that
will expand. We saw Kirk chase a slider in the
left handed batters box the other night, so I know
(21:20):
that there's guys that are Chase. We cannot let Vladimir
Guerrero Junior win Game seven for the Blue Jays. I
think that's like the name we're circling. That's the non
negotiable in this game. We have to force the rest
of the lineup to beat us. And the leadoff doubles.
I don't know how you mitigate leadoff doubles. That's the
probably really locking in from pitch one to lead off
an inning of how do we keep traffic off the bases.
(21:42):
But if George can command that slider in the zone early,
and I'd look to see that sinker if he can,
if he can move right handed hitters off of the plate,
meaning throw that sinker underneath their hands, it's gonna open
up the slider for the outside part of the plate.
And I'm really curious see if he'll be able to
command that back door to seemer to click the outide
part of the zone. But his command and his execution
of his secondary pitches earlier are going to be really
(22:04):
important because that's where he ran the trouble in the
last start.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
All right, what's the key to scoring runs? Then tonight
for the MS.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
We know what it is.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
For the MS, it's hit home runs. So how do
we get players on base that the home runs aren't
solo shots? And I thought they did a nice job
that last night they flip the lineup a little bit
by moving Julio up to the leadoff spot.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I don't mind that. I thought cal Rawley hit a
couple of balls balls hard.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Yesterday, Polonko hit a couple balls off the end of
the bat to right field that could have been Homer's.
There was another ball that went at the top of
the wall that I think Revos hit. Like there's good
slings going around the numbers from top to bottom for
these Mariners, Like if you look at the bottom through
the lineup, they don't look tremendous. But for me, if
they can get on base, like Randy Rose, Raina is
finding ways to contribute to this team. Two hits the
(22:47):
other night as well, So I'm interested to see how
are we able to get bodies on the bases so
that when these big dudes come up and they connect
with one into two to three run home run. But
that's how the Mariners got here, and that's how they
brought it this to a game seven, So I don't
expect any different.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
All right, take me inside the hitters meeting against Shane Bieber.
I mean, veteran guy. He doesn't seem like he's going
to give in either. He had a good, good outing
against us his first time around. What do they got
to do to knock him around?
Speaker 7 (23:12):
That's a great question. I thought that him and Insurzer
did a really good job similar pitch repertoires, between multiple
breaking balls, moving away from o ron handed hitters, and
locating fastballs early. This is a situation where you're gonna
have to be aggressive early in his fastball, and you're
gonna have to be willing to make adjustment. They're gonna
have a game plan, they're gonna have a hitters meeting,
They're gonna know exactly what Bieber's trying to do to them,
(23:34):
but there's gonna have to be adjustments from inning to inning,
because that's where I think they lost Shane in the
last starts. He made an adjustment in the second inning
on and the Mariners never counterstrike to that adjustment that
Bieber made. So I'm curious how they adjust inning to inning,
And I really like to see opportunities when we're at
this bottom third of the order. I think one of
those three guys between Crawford, Canzone or Rebos is gonna
(23:55):
get a big hit tonight. But I'm also gonna see
them moving runners over when the lineup turns around.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
If I set the number at ten and a half
of pitchers used tonight by both teams combined, you take.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
The over or the under on that.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Overall day like this is. They were talking last night
in the broadcast of how many starting pitchers would be
available in the bullpen with Jayson Night. This is going
to be a long, long box score for both teams
in the pitching side.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So what are you feeling? What's your gut tell you
what's gonna happen. What's the result here tonight?
Speaker 7 (24:28):
I think the Mariners win in fifteen?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Ah, I said seventeen.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Oh man, I can't take it. I can't.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I can't.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Why I had to take my or ring off last night.
My heart rate was getting too high, and if it
goes a seventeen, I might just have to throw this
thing away.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Well, of the three men in this conversation, you're the
only healthy one amongst us. So if it's doing that
to you, imagine what is doing to both screwed man baseball?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Well what a treat? Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
All right, man, Well enjoy it tonight. We'll catch up
with you in the next chance that we have. Man,
it's gonna be some fun, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Enjoy the journey, all right, no control over the outcome,
so just enjoy show.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
All right.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
There he is Ryan Heally joining us right here on
Chuck a Buck In the morning. We'll have an entire
Mariner hour before we hand things over to talk a
little football here this morning.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
We do have a Monday night football game.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Of course, Hugh Millan will be with us at nine,
Mike Holmber will be with us at nine point thirty.
So what could we possibly do in our segment? Next
segment it's ABC's at the m's time on Sports Radio
ninety three point three KJRFM. So this is our last
full scale baseball segment. Not that we won't talk a
little bit of Baseball in the nine o'clock hour. But
(25:48):
this is the last concentrated baseball segment and it's the
ABC's of the ms our Daily Mariner segment. We allow
the alphabet to be the guide through this segment, and
so we left off of the JJ is four JP.
I don't really like the way JP Crawford looks at
the plate right now. Frankly, he's the only guy in
(26:08):
the entire lineup that I feel like, h no, that's
the end of the inning, you know. I don't feel
that way with anybody else but him, And so I
don't know, I feel better with Leo Revoss If that's
who we're gonna start hitting higher in the order and
putting JP ninth. He's batting like a ninth place hitter
right now to me, one eighty seven nine batting average
(26:30):
in the postseason. He had that one home run. It's
his only extra base hit. He's not getting walks. He
just to me, feels like an out right now. He
just feels like if he doesn't get a walk, he's
gonna make it out.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
And I don't want.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
To be there with him because he's been with this
team for so long and such a valuable part of
this team. But I have the least amount of faith
in him right now at the plate as I do
anybody on the roster, including Mitch Garverer.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, I cannot go there, but I do. I'm I
don't like the way he's swinging it. He hasn't, he hasn't.
He's really cooled off in this series. In particularly, I
think he only has one hit now. He did he
walked twice last night, he walked once the game before,
and ultimately that's kind of I don't want to say
that's what you're hoping for, but you're like, that's a
(27:16):
bare minimum. Is grinder AB's the bare minimum? Grinder Abs.
If you end up blooping one out over shortstop, fine,
if lightning strikes twice in this postseason and you drop
head on one, we'll take that too. But I'm not
expecting that. I'm just expecting grinder AB's out of him,
And I'm with you, I wouldn't mind if Rivas went
ahead of him, because I do think there's I don't
(27:39):
think he the moment's too big for him by any
stretching imagination, but regardless, I just need tougher Abs out
of those guys. I mean canzone is one we're not expecting.
I'm expecting the exact opposite out of canzone as I
do out of JP JP. I want grinder AB's and
then just fight stuff off and maybe put something in
play in it finds some grass somewhere zone on the end,
(28:00):
I'm looking for ambush city. I'm looking for you to
get to the bottom half of the ball and back
spin that thing and do damage, because ultimately, I think
you're gonna have to hit a couple of balls out
of the yard tonight to win. I think you're gonna
This team does rely a lot on the long ball.
But if it's if it's Julio going yard after JP's
worked a walk or Revos has worked to walk, somebody
(28:22):
down there at the bottom of the order does what
they do as a role player. Now, all of a sudden,
you're putting crooked numbers on the board, and that's gonna
be a huge.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Boost kas for Kirby.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Let's face it, this game, we'll start with George Kirby
and how excellent he could be. Well, it starts with
our offense taking the field first, and I would like
to just get a number on the board in the
top of the first inning and really set the tone.
But certainly what we're going to be most interested in,
after having watched the Blue Jays kind of tattoo him
(28:50):
in his last start, is George Kirby and how well
he is going to pitch tonight. What is your expectation
for Kas For Kirby, I'm expecting a really good game.
To be honest, I know that the recent history doesn't
lead people down that path, and yet to me, the adjustment,
they're not going to change their plan. Their plan is
(29:10):
if he tries pounding the zone, we are crushing him early.
And ultimately that's maybe a hard habit for these guys
to break, right. I mean, they've went through two hundred
innings or whatever of kind of rearing back and saying,
first pitch, try.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
To hit this well. They can hit it. They can
hit it, especially if you leave it over the heart.
To me, I'm pitching like my goal is to go
out there and obviously go further, but I'm thinking three
zeros and that starts with the one zero right off
the bat, and you're gonna be going against some guys
that can hit and I'm thinking I'm going to the
corners and if I miss. I'm missing off the plate.
I don't care if that's in. I don't care if
he hit George Springer again, I don't care if he
(29:44):
hit Vlad Guerrero, I don't I'm missing away from damage,
and I can pitch around a walk I can make still,
keep making good pitches to the next guy, get a groundball,
double play all of a sudden. Those We know how
much of backbreakers those can be. So to me, as
long as he makes the adjustment and doesn't think I
trust my stuff, I'm gonna throw it in the zone
and see if you can hit it. If it's more
(30:06):
of I'm going to not lose conviction of the pitch. Still, No,
you ain't touching that. You ain't touching that, and attack
these guys, but attack the edge of the zone and
miss away from danger. If he does that, I think
you're looking at three Indians. I wouldn't be surprised if
he does go five and you're like, we send him
out there for the sixth.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Fine, let's put ourselves in that point.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I think k is for strikeouts, Yeah, yeah, for Kirby strikeouts.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I mean it's the old control versus command debate. We
know you have control. We know you can throw a
strike whenever you want, but can you command where you're
throwing that strike. There's no giving in, there is no
trust my stuff. I'm just gonna lay it out, not
the way they're swinging it right now, and not the
way that they battered you around in the last game.
(30:51):
So I need George to be fine. And if you
have that great a PenPoint control, like Bucky said, put
it on the corners at the knees. It's still the
best pitching baseball is the seed is the p at
the knee on the outside corner. Just to give him
a diet of that. Maybe they get a couple of hits,
but they're not going to crush you if you live
out there. So we'll see which Georgia we get tonight. Finally,
(31:13):
ellis for laugh Boy Dustin Nickerson, our friend. Yeah, he
doesn't know what to do with himself. It seems like
we have our best success when he's on stage. He
tried to fake it last night by standing on a
piece of luggage in his home and doing stand up
to his dog. Apparently he was bombing as well, so
(31:37):
he's really taking this Ashley Ryan, It's all about me
and my juju, whether or not we win tonight.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
To a whole new level.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And plus all of his fans think that he hasked
to do a stage show in order for us to
win tonight. He even tried to reconcile it by saying, no,
it only happens and road or home games. Home games,
so he and know what to do with himself. So
I'm worried about laugh boy.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, I think that I love I love his posts.
They're actually really funny. He should maybe think about doing
that as a career and being up and coming comedian someday.
I don't think you're alone. I don't believe in much
of that stuff, and yet I find myself doing it.
Do you remember walking out after Game four? We were
walking out of the stadium going over to Jimmy's to
(32:24):
do our post game and we usually walk out that
back door of the stadium and then we go walk
around where they have the Lost and Found coats, and
I'm going that way and I said, hold on, I'll
catch up to you, and I stopped and went the
other way.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That was just because I'm like, I'm not going that way.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
You got a little bit in it. I do more
of it than I do.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
But I don't believe it does anything, but I do it,
like I know it's dumb and it's not really doing anything,
and yet I do it. I won't chew the zin
that's blue because we're playing the Blue Jays.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Oh things that are blue, I just or red. But
then it's hard because the Mariners have blue. So then
it's like, well, there's that kind of just can't wear
like a Toronto blue.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
But I don't know. I don't really think that what
I do does anything.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
But at the same time, like sometimes you forget something
and then you go do it, and then they do
something good good, and you're like, wait a minute, did
that have play a part in that?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yours is definitely along the lines of intervention.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
No, I get that.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Lack Boy said that the moment he stood up on
the suitcase Naylor hit the home run earlier.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Really confused him.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
He doesn't know what to do with himself, all right,
e Millen'll join us next Sports Radio ninety three point
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