October 21, 2025 • 39 mins
And now we are depressed. The Mariners held onto a lead through 6 innings last night, but George Springer destroyed our World Series hopes with one swing of the bat, handing the Mariners a 4-3 loss in Game 7 of the ALCS. The decision to bring in Bazardo to face Springer will be second-guessed and picked apart for a long time. Why not keep Woo in? Why not Munoz? :30- Mariners Morning After We have arrived at our final MMA of the year and it hurts. The Mariners came so close to getting to the World Series, but fell short and we don’t even want to hear that home run highlight. :45- The Mariners may have lost the ALCS, but our love for Josh Naylor has only grown. He gave life and limb to try and help this team win it all. Can the Mariners find a way to keep him?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sounds Chrick, Good morning, folks.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good morning everyone, Good morning, it's some time.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Good morning class ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Behold inducing six one yard from Brighton, Illanois and former
high school basketball stand.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
What in the hell does en me? Don't jumped any conclusions,
not a god. You've got to lower you lower your expectations.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hard to believe we could once send a fastball to Pluto.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm getting some Bucky jacobs and vibes and former I'll
just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped ex athlete.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Five seven guard and a former college water polo national champions.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
A lot of useless crap up here.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Wow, this is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with
Ashley Ryan.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
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Speaker 2 (00:51):
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Speaker 1 (01:14):
Hey, good morning, Welcome into the radio program.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It is Chuggunbuck Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
We're here for you on a Tuesday and in more
ways than one, because I know the people out there
need the support. Rough night, last night for the Seattle
sports scene. Yeah, the football team won, but certainly all
thoughts were or at least most of them with the
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Mariners and their attempt to make history, to end the
drought and make it to the World Series for the
first time in franchise history, and they came up three
innings short, lost to the Toronto Blue Jays four to
three last night. And so we gather again here on
this Tuesday morning, Ashley Ryan, Buck Jacobson, and Chuck Powell
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to sort of make sense of it all here on
a Tuesday morning. Certainly not the result that we were
looking for. I know, for many of you lifelong fans,
a crushing blow last night, and there's nothing that.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
We're going to say today that's going to make you
feel better about anything.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
But last night, Bucky and I had a little bit
of a two hour therapy session and it went pretty well.
You know, on our postgame show last night, we took
some calls and things of that nature and actually talked
to a lot of people that had a pretty good
level head about all of this. I'm sure a lot
of the others just didn't want to call and didn't
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want to talk about it. I'm sure there were people
that didn't have a very level head about it last night.
But nonetheless, maybe that's the role that we can play
in your lives here this morning, just kind of talking
through it here because the Mariners came up just a
little bit short of the World Series.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
The yeah, yeah, and it felt good for most of
the game, you know, felt like you're on your way,
and a couple missed opportunities and a couple opportunities seized
by the opponent.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I mean it, it's a rough one.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I feel worse actually today than I did right after
the game.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I don't know if that's the hour of sleep. Yeah,
maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Or if it's that, I mean, I think that it's
it's a combination. I mean it's it kind of sinks
in that now, as excited.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
As I am about how well, how well, how.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Much I like the team right, not just the dudes,
but how they play, and I think that there's still
is potential for growth with a lot of these players.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I think they can still get better.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
We didn't just watch an old team, you know, with
their last chance at possibly doing something fun and memorable
for us as fans to ride along with. It still
is the prospect of watching one hundred and sixty two
to get back to a place to hopefully be able
to be nine outs away from punching your ticket to
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the big one. It just feels daunting. It doesn't feel
impossible by any stretch. I know for a fact, I'm
going to be optimistic when you know, as time kind
of goes by.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
But I'm one that typically doesn't expect.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I don't expect the twenty twenty five Mariners to make
up for heartbreak that I've suffered as a Mariner fan
and even the little bit as a Mariner player for
the past forty five years. Basically, I don't think I
was a big marinor fan before I was five, but
up until then or since then, I have been. It's
not their obligation to make up for that. And so
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when they fall short of the goals that they had
put forth and almost achieved and that they were attainable,
I can't really throw it back on them, as if
you let me down for forty five years, you let
me down this year.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And yet I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Positive you watch some clips of these guys and I
think the they let themselves and let they feel far
more they feel worse about it than even I do
and most Mariner fans. So I just think that it's
a it's a rough it's a rough morning, for sure,
because you kind of saw it right there on the
horizon before that one big swing that George Springer took.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I found that I didn't even allow myself to think
about the World Series until the first inning last night.
All of a sudden, the thought crept in of like
this is Game seven, Like the winner of this, yeah,
goes to.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
The World Series.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
And it kind of was the first time that I'd
actually allowed myself to think about it. And then I
then the thought went away, and I was like, nope,
we got a long.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Game to go.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Just we're just just playing a baseball game. Let's just
see what happens. And then once we were nine outs away,
everybody you kept seeing everybody, Okay, nine outs, nine outs,
that's all we gotta do, and it was seeming like
this is actually now within reach. And so I'd finally
got into the part where I was going to let
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myself think this could happen, and then Springer came and
I just it was like crush, like gut punch, and
just it was the second that happened, and I normally
have never that way because I always think this team
can rally, this team can come back. I don't know,
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but something about that home run from George Springer, it
was like, Nope, that's it, it's done, and it sucked.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, it was definitely a gut punch. I mean, here,
you get to a game seven, you led most of
the game. Yeah, you you know, I had our boss
sitting next to me during the course of the game
pretty much just counting down the outs audibly in my ear,
and his anxiety certainly added to my anxiety in the moment.
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But when you I mean you basically outplayed them for
seventy percent of the game. You led seventy percent of
the game.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And then they had after the first inning, really just
one rally. I mean, I guess they put one together
in the munnose inning and we got out of that.
Got a little lucky there to get out of that
without any further damage. And that's why I thought, oh man,
they're gonna do this again. We just they had first
and third, nobody out. They just hit a bullet and
Nailer nabbed it, doubled the guy off first.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
We are gonna do that. They're gonna do this to
us again.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
They're just gonna take it all the way to the
brink and then pull it out miraculously. It's the year
of Cal. He was due up fourth the following inning.
It's gonna be the year of Cal. He's gonna get
up there somehow, Julio's gonna work a walk, Something's gonna happen.
Cal's gonna get to the plate and do something spectacular
in the Year of Cal.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So I didn't.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I was still thinking that they were gonna pull it
off somehow, even after the Springer home run.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
But there's no doubt.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I mean, it was a gut punch because you led
most of the way, you did enter sort of countdown
mode at some point you couldn't help but do it.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And it was just a matter of and it really
was a matter of how do we get to Munnos?
How are we going to get because he was going
to pitch two innings, How are we going to get
to Munos? And that in between period that Dan Wilson
found himself in is the thing that Mariner fans are
going to debate for the rest of their lives. I
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don't care if you're fifteen years old, like Bennett who
called into the show last night, or if you're one
hundred and five and you felt that this was the
last chance you had to add to see the Mariners
get into the World Series. For the rest of Mariner
fans lives, they are going to debate whether or not
Dan Wilson pushed the right buttons there, and obviously he didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Springer ends up hitting the home run.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That doesn't necessarily mean he made a mistake, but certainly
a debatable topic for the rest of a Mariner fan's
life as to what should have happened in that sequence.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
It's very clear, Bucky.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
That what Dan Wilson was I think the organization had
kind of tied themselves to was George Kirby through two
turns through the lineup, and we don't want to expose
him for a third turn because that's where he's gotten
in trouble, and each of his postseason starts is to
have face a lineup the third time through, and even
though he was mowing people down, they stuck to their
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game plan. It was going to be four innings for Kirby,
and then Tom Verducci said before the game Brian who
was going to play a major role in this game tonight.
And so the idea was that Brian Wu, we saw
enough in his last outing. He's going to go for
three innings. That's the master plan, and then we handed
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over to Munjos for two innings. And their plan b
was if anybody gets in trouble along the way, because
Spire was up early and then Bizardo was up late,
and we're going to put out the middle of the
inning fires with Spire Bizardo and I would presume Brash
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might have been the third guy that they might have
used in that scenario. And so they stuck to the
game plan. But something that Bucky said last night, something
you said, stuck with me on the drive home. I
woke up with it this morning, and that was man
Brian Wu had dominated George Springer in that one at
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bat that they faced. I mean, George Springer had obviously
a great series against.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Us, had a great year this year.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But the one time he looked not just he looked
foolish was the one at Batti had against Brian Wu
last night.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And you know, we had.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
A long conversation about whether or not you should add
Munnos ready. A lot of people were talking about that.
It turns out last night I didn't find out that
until I was home. We talked about it significantly last
night in the postgame show. We even entertained the idea
of at least have Brash ready, have a strikeout guy
ready in that situation. But more I thought about it,
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the more what you said about Wu dominating Springer, It's
not like Brian Wu. I mean, he walked the first batter.
Shame on Brian of that inning, and then Kiner Filefa
with his kind of falafel base hit through the middle
of the inning, the middle of the of the diamond,
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which was flukish, and then you got the sacrifice bunt down.
Maybe Wu, maybe you should have stuck with your game plan.
Maybe you should have stuck with Brian Wu in that
situation and see if the guy who's pitched better than
any other Mariner throughout the course of the year, that
you felt good enough about physically to put into to
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take George Kirby out of the game when he was
mowing fools down and put Wu into the game with
the idea that you were on pitch him for three innings.
Maybe that was the mistake. Maybe it wasn't that Munjos
wasn't up and ready to go just in case, or
that Brash was also up with Bizardo because maybe you
would need a strike out that inning and he's more
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of a strikeout pitcher. Those are both things that we
discussed last night. Maybe the route to go was to
have stuck to the game plan and see if Brian
Wu could make George Springer look foolish again. Maybe that
was the error as we That's what I kind of
arrived at by the time I came.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Into work this morning.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That now, because I had said last night I wanted
Munos up in that situation just in case traffic on
the base pass last time, you're going to face the
top of the order, why won't you have your best
reliever ready for that situation. I thought that was an
air last night. I still think you probably should have
done that. But maybe the decision was the original plan.
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Brian Wu's not like he was getting hit around the ballpark, Bucky.
I mean, let him face Springer and see if he
can get out of that mess, rather than going to
bizar to in that situation.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Well, I mean we've talked about it multiple times throughout
the course of the season, and I've most recently when
we were talking during the Detroit series when they decided
to take Trek Scooble out of a game, and I
remember you saying, you know, you've probably made a mistake
when the other team is joyous over the fact that,
(13:13):
thank God he's out. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like, oh, thanks,
Whether it's pitch cown or you think you got the
lead enough and now you're gonna go to guys that
are used to pitching in this inning or what like,
there's something to that. And I kind of felt that
in the moment of they were actually showing the TV
was actually showing George Springer like.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Dann, are you gonna come get him out? Are you
gonna You're gonna make a pitching change?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I hope right, because he did not, Like I mean,
the last two times he faced him, he wore one
off the knee and then got struck out on three pitches,
looking horrendous, looking as bad as he's looked probably ever
in a postseason at bat. You know, there's things about
Brian Wu that are kind of surprised me as to
how dominant he is and can be with just his fastball.
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But I think it's there's something about the arm angle,
and there's something about the late life on it, and
there's something about how he hides it a little bit
because it makes it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
He makes it look like it's really hard, really hard
to hit.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And obviously it is and and and so yeah, there's
questions to be had there there, and unfortunately there are
questions that will never know an answer to.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That's the thing exactly about it that sometimes he stays in.
He gives up a home run to George Spring, you.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Know, yeah, and you know, well, and you know, you
bring in a guy that's been pretty damn nails for you,
and you know there's a chance that he gets out
of that situation too. And so I just it didn't
happen last night, and unfortunately we have to kind of
live with it. But yeah, the the questions, I mean,
you know, I think Dan Wilson said we were listening
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to his press conference last night a little bit during
the post game show, and he's like, you make decisions,
and you live with the decisions you make. And and
so I think that a lot of times in playoff Bay,
you want to be a little bit preemptive, right during
the regular season, you'd let things ride a little bit,
you kind of kind of let it breathe and see
what your guys can do to get out of it.
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Typically in the postseason you want to make sure that
you don't you're not a batter too late, and so
I think that's probably where they They're right, here's our
game plan, and if we're going to make adjustments, it's
going to try to be a little bit preemptive on it.
And I just now, yeah, I really really wish we
would have been able to see what Brian wu could
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do against George Springer there. But that's there's a part
of that, even though I was thinking in the moment,
there's still is part of it. My feeling with it
right now most certainly is based on the way in
which the outcome happened.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And I think that's the problem first year manager and
Dan Wilson, who I thought the speed of the game
kind of did haunt him during the course of the year,
and it certainly gets ramped up in the playoffs, and
it absolutely gets ramped up in a Game seven. But
I think they had a game plan, and I think
he's stuck with a game plan, and where would that
plan be in case the game plan has to adjust
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on the fly. I mean football coaches have to do
this all the time.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Oh wait a minute, you're showing this look now, even
though I wanted to run this play and you can
call an audible at some point, what was wrong with
getting Munjos and Bizardo ready?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
What was wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
It's as if we had a game plan and he
just went out there to execute the game plan. If
Wu gets in any trouble or if Kirby gets in
any trouble mid inning, we're bringing Inspire.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
He was standing up ready to go. Then we're going
to go to Wu.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
If Wu gets into any trouble and first and second
nobody out, or second and third one out because they
kept him in for the sack bunt uh, then we're
going to Bizardo and then we're going to go for
Munjos to close it out. Like if anything, that I
would criticize because going to Bizardo should not be something
that Marin or fans are furious about. He was really
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good all year long. He was good every outing. He
was outstanding. I mean we were talking about him in
the last year. Is the sung hero of this team,
and yet I still don't view him as one of
our top two dudes coming out of the bullpen and
in the biggest at bat of the entire year. If
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you would have told me we were going to go
to Bizardo to face George Springer with the with the
World Series on the line at the beginning of the year,
I would have probably had you submitted somewhere, you know, yeah,
like committed to you know, a straight jacket for the
rest of your life. No way was that ever going
to happen. And and yet he kind of painted himself
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into that corner of I don't have anybody else loose,
I gotta go with Bizardo here because that's the game
plan that we came in with. To me, after thinking
about it for a while, if that's the corner that
you painted yourself in, to me, Brian Wu is the
better operator in that situation, and you should have just
rowed that out.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But that's a little bit of hindsight.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, certainly in the moment, I felt Munho should be
up and ready in case.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
But if you didn't go that.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Direction, then maybe you let your best pitcher see if
he can at least get Springer out in that situation.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Well, and what about the idea of just intentionally walking
Springer too? I mean I saw a lot of people
asking that question, like why. I mean even it was
I think the analyst said that before they when they
were taking Wu out and Springer was due up, they
were saying, do you think the Marriagers are going to
intentionally walk Springer here?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't like that idea at all because there was
only one out. So if you walk him, okay, you
get Lucas to come to the plate.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
But then you've got Guerrero.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I mean they came into the game wondering if we
should pitch to Guerrero at all. Yeah, so you certainly
aren't going to risk loading the bases for him in
the seventh inning with the game on the line. And
he didn't exactly look off his game last night. He
didn't get struck out once, but he nearly took the
head off of Randy A. Roseerena and has lasted past.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, I think that that's I mean, maybe it would
have worked because you're at that point, if you're walking Springer,
you're showing him the respect that he deserves because he
as much as I can't stand the guy. He's damn
good in the postseason, and and he was good there.
Obviously the moment's never too big for him. And yet
you're basically saying, God, I hope we get a double
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play here. Otherwise you're brilling bringing lad into the equation.
And if I have to pick my poison, I don't care.
Even in hindsight, George Springer goes yard and you know,
basically propels them to win. I still am picking George
Springer that I'm going after.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
George Springer who clearly couldn't put weight on his back leg.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah yeah, look like you put enough weight on it
there in that swing.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
It's again that that's the part. That's the thing that sucks,
whether you're a fan or whether you're a player, is
the decisions, the actions, the way in which you play,
the opportunities missed that you never get to do over again.
You never get to know what would have happened if
we did this, or if I would have done that,
or none of it matters. You just basically find yourself
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on the outside looking in, three innings away from punching
your ticket to the World Series. And it stings. And
so I mean the pain's real. I think the players
feel it, we as fans feel it, and unfortunately we
got to wait until this time next year to try
to redo it.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
All right, we got four hours to discuss it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We will talk some Seahawks football today as well. That's
pretty much the game plan for US today, and we
probably won't adjust on the fly either. Let's find out
what's on tap for today's show.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Well, what's on TEP, what's on top?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
One last session with Ryan Healey his thoughts here today
at eight thirty. Even though I do believe we found
a friend of the program, and who knows, maybe we'll
hear from more of Ryan throughout the offseason. He's been
terrific through the postseason four US, so we'll have a
chat with him about the season coming to a close
at eight thirty today. The World Series will start on Friday.
I'm not really sure I'm gonna watch.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I don't know. I don't have any interest as of
right now. That's what I said. I was last night.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
I was like, I have no interest in watching the
World Series. That all my mom goes, yes, you will,
because you'll have to talk about it at work. I said, no,
we don't.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, I don't think we will. We can read the highlights.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
As much as I want to see Show Aotani, I
just can't get enough of watching Show Aotani. I really
at this stage have no interest in this Monday Night football.
Seahawks twenty seven to nineteen winners over the Houston Texans
last night. Monday Morning quarterback session today from nine to
ten with Hugh Millen, so we will discuss that Seahawks
enter the bye week with a five and two record,
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which is tied for the second best record in the
entire NFC right now, So Seahawks enter the bye week
on a really strong note.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
We'll talk about that. Also.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Greg Bell joins this at seven oh five. Lions won
over the Buccaneers last night twenty four to nine, both
of those teams five and two on the year as well.
Husky host Illinois Saturday at twelve thirty. Intimidating. I know,
to face powerhouse like that, just one hundred years of
just nothing but dominance. But you will do their best
against the Orange and Blue crack and fall to the
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Flyers last night five to two. It's their first outright
loss of the entire season. They will be back in
action tonight against the Washington Capital, so back to back
road games.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
They'll start that at four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Sounders will take on Minnesota United to start the MLS playoffs,
or at least their MLS playoff Monday at six o'clock.
And believe it or not, the NBA season tips off
tonight on NBC and Peacock Houston at Oklahoma City and
Golden State at the Lakers, the two games being played
this evening in the National Basketball Association. We're not going
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to talk about it, Mariners morning After his next Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, since certainly at insign disappointment. Man,
your three innings away from your first ever World Series
bon it appearance, and there's no escaping feeling crushed.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I get that they.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Certainly the players felt crushed, the organization felt crushed last night,
and god knows the fan base felt crushed to getting
that close and then not seeing that dream realized. The
Blue Jays went at four to three, a three run
homer late in the contest, and so we recap it.
It's Mariners morning after. We've been doing it all season long.
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We're certainly not going to stop now. Mariners led for
most of this game last night. They jumped out to
a one nothing lead in the very first inning thanks
to Josh Naylor RBI single that scored Julio, who doubled
the start the game. Blue Jays came right back in
the bottom of the first to tie it, but then
Julio's home run on a great at that a phenomenal
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at bat and the third inning gave the team a two.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
To one lead.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Cal added a dinger in the fifth to make it
three to one, and the score remained that way all
the way to the bottom of the seventh inning. Rather
than play the low light of what occurred, I'm going
to play something that will sound a lot more appealing
to you.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Here's just some random fart noises. Yeah, oh geez.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, much better.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
There you go. Yeah there highlights from Fox Sports. Yeah,
thanks for that. Yeah, Fox as Joe Davis and John
Smoltz right there on the call, he.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Could have just said, and here's what happened when George Springer.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Scept yeah, well I didn't even want to say the name.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I didn't even want to lead up to it.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, I was just gonna, like, I figured people would
rather hear that on loop then have to hear that.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, I didn't want to hear that again. Yeah, I
don't even want to think about it. But yeah, yeah,
it's probably the thing that I hate the most about it,
about the way in which it happened. Yeah, there's not
a person that I would want to have success less.
Might be a good dude, probably is a good dude,
but yeah, he's just the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, and then the whole launch and you just knew
it was coming from Blue Jays fans of the Karma
and all of that stuff. Stop get off your high horse.
We have documented proof that you booed players who were
holding up the game in games that you played in
your own stadiums.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I don't like that we did that. I really don't.
I didn't like it in the moment.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I'm like, man, you've been booing him throughout for the
last several years now, and you can keep doing that
to the end of time. But I don't like the
idea of booing an injured player. But almost every fan
base in a situation like that has had a few
people do that during and when you have fifty thousand
on the edge of their seat, yeah they you know,
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they ended up hearing some booze and cheers for injury,
what have you. I don't like it, it happened, but
it's happened in Toronto games in the past. Several examples
have been pointed out. So stop get stop acting all
high and mighty about this.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Yeah, it's it's ridiculous, acting like we would never ye
were Canadians and we're nice.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Uh well, four to three is the final score. The
season comes to a close in painful fashion. Dan Wilson
after the game.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
I mean, Brian was throwing the ball, so you know,
first of all, Georgie I thought through the ball excellent,
and then Brian picked up right where George.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Left off and and you know, gave us a good
spot to be in.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
And you know, after the walk, you know, hoping to
get the ground ball, which we did, but it just found.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
A hole and then you know, knew him as it
was going to bunt there.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
And and you know, Bizarto has been the guy that's
that's gotten us through those situations, those tight ones, especially
in the pivot role, and you know, that's that's where
we were going at that point. You know, we felt
really comfortable with him out there. The way he's been
throwing the ball, especially in this series, and and you know,
it was.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
A good spot for him.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
You know, you make your decisions and and uh, you know, sometimes.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
You know, you have to live and die with it,
and and uh, you know, I think again, the way
Zarto has thrown the ball all season long, we were
comfortable with where we were, and you know, uh, it
just again didn't didn't go our way. It was just
an outstanding season.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Of three Dan Wilson after the game last night. So
there's no avoiding it. You know, if it doesn't work out,
your people are going to question it, and I think
there are, certainly we've already discussed it, some things to
question here. I don't think what you question is whether
or not Bizardo deserved a shot in that moment, because
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I do think he's been very good all season long,
very good to great all season long, and surprisingly so
I certainly didn't have expectations for Bizardo to have the
year that he's had this year. But I mean in
the moment, and that a lot of especially former major
leaguers and analysts have been expressing this overnight, how do
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you come out, how do you have that two run lead?
Bottom of the seventh and not throw your best out there.
How is Munnos not ready? And as we discussed in
the first segment, if not Munnos, then how do you
not just stick it out with your other best pitcher
during the course of the season, that being Brian Woo
to see if he can wiggle out of that situation.
And I think there's merit to both of those. I
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think I would have rather preferred either of those roots
to what the decision was made last night. It was
very clear they had a game plan before the game started.
This is what they were going to do in these situations,
and they just stuck with the game plan rather than
kind of feeling the moment and what the moment might require.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, we don't know how it would have worked out,
but I mean, even at that moment, you're basically as
close as you've ever been, and then you're in your
toughest situation, right, And it's in large part I mean
I would have liked to have seen Wu go against
Springer there and see.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
What the heck happens. But he did walk the nine
hole hitter.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Or the eight hole hitter, right, seven hitter, and then
they eight hitter, and then they bonted the nine guy.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I mean, that walk is a bad situation right there.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
And so I mean there's a lot of people who
just can't wait to, you know, cast stones about about
Dan Wilson and how poor it was. I'll just say
to me, when you're needing a strikeout, if you look
at Bizarto's numbers, basically, I mean he threw in more
games than anybody else in the postseason, he had good numbers.
He had one bad game, I think it was in
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the Detroit series, and then other than that, he put
up zeros pretty much every time, with the exception I
think he gave up one single run and another outing,
but it didn't cost us. But he still was giving
up about a hit an inning, whereas you go to
Brash or Munos and they were not even close to
a hit. And it's it's one of those if you're
looking for a strikeout. You had two guys that were better,
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and yet you ended up using what is the third
best guy in your bullpen. And that's that's a compliment.
I mean, it's a good good on you, bizarre you
You pitched really well, you earned high leverage situations, but
the other two earned the highest level of leverage situations,
and yet you you basically ended up kind of leaving
one bullet in the chamber with Brash. Now, I don't
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knowly twenty pitches a day before, two innings the day before, Yeah,
well I'm not sure if Bizarro just has more of
a rubber arm, if there was something to Brash not
being actually kind of available unless you absolutely needed it, right,
That's what I was getting at, because otherwise I don't
understand how you wouldn't have had him up right unless
it was how's every feeling today and he's like arms
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hanging all right, Well, then we adjust that accordingly. And
maybe that's where Bizardo goes there and you go mun
Too's a couple more innings to close that thing out.
If you know, Springer just pops up ball and that's
the speed of the game. Point like, as slow moving
as baseball seems to be to a lot of people.
I mean, you started that inning with seven, eight and nine.
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You know you're gonna have to face Springer, g and
Guerrero one more time. It's bottom of the seventh. You're
up to how do you not have one of your
two best and if you don't have one of your
two best if you didn't have time to get them ready,
then why not stick with your best starting pitcher in
that moment. So I think there is room for criticism,
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not that they went to Bizardo, but that they had
other options available. And it feels like the game moved
too quickly there and the seventh inning and the and
the manager was not.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Ready for it.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
And ultimately you do, in the biggest moment, biggest at
bad of the season, you let your third best reliever
pitch to a Mariner killer in that situation, And so
I do believe that there's room for second guessing criticism
in that situation. But you know, they had a game plan,
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they stuck with a game plan, and now we all
have to live with it. Blue Jays end up winning
it by final score of four to three, so they
punched their ticket to the World Series.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
But that's it. Last Mariners Morning After.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
There's nothing to preview for tonight as the third leg
of our segment that we've been doing all season long.
And I suppose they'll still play the World Series, but
I'm not sure I love be around to watch it
all right, coming up next, we'll continue with the Mariners conversation.
One guy I thought played a tremendous game last night,
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even though he didn't stack the stat sheets.
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Of course, so we are obsessed right now with talking
Marinders baseball. The team eliminated from the playoff picture last
night in crushing fashion. They came within three innings of
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making it to the World Series. But I tell you what,
if anything, my love for Josh Naylor grew last night. Yes,
I'm with everybody else that that's priority number one this
offseason for the Mariners to bring that first baseman back.
My goodness, Bucky, I've never seen this happen before. We
were taught as old kids. Anybody that's ever played shortstop
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or second base at a level higher than Little League,
you were always taught, Oh yeah, go ahead and throw
it side arm it. You got to get that runner down.
He'll go down. Don't worry. He doesn't want to get
hit in the face unless your name is Josh Naylor.
Josh Naylor decided I'm going to take one in the
back of the skull if I have to, because they
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tell me I'm supposed to get down on this play
not written anywhere that I got to slide here. So
I'm just gonna take one on the back of the
skull here if I have to. That and just some
clever defensive plays last night. He had an RBI single
in the game last night. I was wanting him to
get to the plate in the ninth because I was
just sure he was going to come through for the
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team in the situation, and he ended up, you know,
second in the hole that inning. But I mean, Josh
Naylor did everything that you want a leader and a
ballplayer to.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Do in that situation.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, well you nailed it with the ballplayer. I mean,
that's what he is. He's a ballplayer. He goes out there,
he understands. It doesn't mean he's going to be perfect,
but more often than not, gonna get the proper approach.
As much as people maybe get sick of hearing me
say it, it's it's what makes you a good baseball
player is having a good approach. You can have all
the tools in the world, and he doesn't have all
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the tools in the world. He obviously has good eyes,
good hands, good eye hand coordination, got a little bit
of pop and and but how does a guy that
is the second slowest guy in Major League Baseball still
thirty bases because he has instincts, he has a feel
for the game. He understands the game that I mean
the rule you don't have to get down. You just
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when he jumps, then you're interfering with the throw. And
so I wasn't thinking that it should have been called.
And yet once you kind of think about the letter
of the law, then yeah, that's that's interference, I guess.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
But it's one of those because I mean, you but
you know what though, I mean, he was there, they
were dead in the water.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
That was gonna be a double playball, and here's somebody
that says, I'm not gonna get down.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Just see what happens.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, let's see what happens, you know, because there's not
a rule that says you have to slide in that situation.
But the umpires do have the right to gather together
and try to determine whether or not you did intentionally
try to interfere with the path of the ball, which
he did, but he was just like, I don't care.
I'll take one of the back of the skull just
for the chance to break this thing up. I mean,
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who doesn't want that guy on your team?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, well, if you don't, then I don't want you
as a fellow fan of my team. That's the exact
I mean, honestly, if you're like, that's just reckless, that's
a reckless play.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
But I don't like it at all, then beat it.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
I think that's one of the things that made me sad.
I mean, I was just sad in general that it
was over. But I thought, oh, please, don't let this
be the last time we see Josh Naylor in a
Mariner's uniform.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
And we'll see I mean, he does have the I mean,
you do work hard your entire life for this moment
to reach free agency, to have success at the major
league level, and to see what you're worth on the
open market. And maybe he'll take the highest bidder. And
if he does, it might not be the Mariners. They
haven't exactly shown the pension for, you know, bidding the highest.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
But Bucky and I were talking about it last night.
I would have had a.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Five year, ninety million dollar contract sitting in his lap
on the plane ride home if I were the Mariners.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
The more I thought about that, I don't think that'd
be enough. I think he wist certainly. I mean you'd
have to kind of blow his socks off if you're
going to try to get him. It might have to
be twenty five million a year. And for what it's worth,
there's the.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Market value, says fifteen a year. I was giving him nineteen.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't be surprised if somebody wants
to pay him over twenty or eighteen, just whatever it is.
I mean, he's gonna test free agency. I have a
feeling because I don't see the Mariners coming out and
just given something that's above market value, above what they
think he's worth or what they're willing to pay. That's
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maybe that might have been the reason why I woke
up even more sad than than I was last night,
was because it was to me, it's kind of setting in. Well, see,
I hope they do it, Stanton do it. That's a dude.
I mean I saw a picture you guys celebrating after
winning that game five against Detroit. I saw you guys,
and I think that they would like to I just
know that they don't end up kind of just pulling
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out all the stops and making it happen. If you
think that's a guy a straw that stirs the drink,
and he most certainly is that.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Well a lot of time talking about here in the
coming months, But I would say he doesn't strike me
as the guy that's taking the highest bid. It strikes
me as the guy like I want to go where
I want to be and then hopefully they don't offer
me an insulting contract, right, and I think that that
could happen here in Seattle. So just don't insult him
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with your offer. And I think that he'll be a
Mariner for the next five years.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
That's what I think they about what you'd pay him,
and then add exactly your money we're gonna pay him
is probably gonna be insulting.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
So just add five million. Yeah, So take the market
I did.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I took the market value, and then I gave him
three million more per year over the.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Course of five years.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
And so that's I'm going to dangle that in front
of him and see if he bites all right, mind
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good morning everyone, Good morning, it's some time.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Good morning class ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen.
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high school basketball stand.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
What in the hell does en me? Don't jumped any conclusions,
not a god. You've got to lower you lower your expectations.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hard to believe we could once send a fastball to Pluto.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm getting some Bucky jacobs and vibes and former I'll
just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped ex athlete.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
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Speaker 1 (01:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:17):
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We're here for you on a Tuesday and in more
ways than one, because I know the people out there
need the support. Rough night, last night for the Seattle
sports scene. Yeah, the football team won, but certainly all
thoughts were or at least most of them with the
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Mariners and their attempt to make history, to end the
drought and make it to the World Series for the
first time in franchise history, and they came up three
innings short, lost to the Toronto Blue Jays four to
three last night. And so we gather again here on
this Tuesday morning, Ashley Ryan, Buck Jacobson, and Chuck Powell
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to sort of make sense of it all here on
a Tuesday morning. Certainly not the result that we were
looking for. I know, for many of you lifelong fans,
a crushing blow last night, and there's nothing that.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
We're going to say today that's going to make you
feel better about anything.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
But last night, Bucky and I had a little bit
of a two hour therapy session and it went pretty well.
You know, on our postgame show last night, we took
some calls and things of that nature and actually talked
to a lot of people that had a pretty good
level head about all of this. I'm sure a lot
of the others just didn't want to call and didn't
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want to talk about it. I'm sure there were people
that didn't have a very level head about it last night.
But nonetheless, maybe that's the role that we can play
in your lives here this morning, just kind of talking
through it here because the Mariners came up just a
little bit short of the World Series.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
The yeah, yeah, and it felt good for most of
the game, you know, felt like you're on your way,
and a couple missed opportunities and a couple opportunities seized
by the opponent.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I mean it, it's a rough one.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I feel worse actually today than I did right after
the game.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I don't know if that's the hour of sleep. Yeah,
maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Or if it's that, I mean, I think that it's
it's a combination. I mean it's it kind of sinks
in that now, as excited.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
As I am about how well, how well, how.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Much I like the team right, not just the dudes,
but how they play, and I think that there's still
is potential for growth with a lot of these players.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I think they can still get better.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
We didn't just watch an old team, you know, with
their last chance at possibly doing something fun and memorable
for us as fans to ride along with. It still
is the prospect of watching one hundred and sixty two
to get back to a place to hopefully be able
to be nine outs away from punching your ticket to
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the big one. It just feels daunting. It doesn't feel
impossible by any stretch. I know for a fact, I'm
going to be optimistic when you know, as time kind
of goes by.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
But I'm one that typically doesn't expect.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I don't expect the twenty twenty five Mariners to make
up for heartbreak that I've suffered as a Mariner fan
and even the little bit as a Mariner player for
the past forty five years. Basically, I don't think I
was a big marinor fan before I was five, but
up until then or since then, I have been. It's
not their obligation to make up for that. And so
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when they fall short of the goals that they had
put forth and almost achieved and that they were attainable,
I can't really throw it back on them, as if
you let me down for forty five years, you let
me down this year.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And yet I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Positive you watch some clips of these guys and I
think the they let themselves and let they feel far
more they feel worse about it than even I do
and most Mariner fans. So I just think that it's
a it's a rough it's a rough morning, for sure,
because you kind of saw it right there on the
horizon before that one big swing that George Springer took.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I found that I didn't even allow myself to think
about the World Series until the first inning last night.
All of a sudden, the thought crept in of like
this is Game seven, Like the winner of this, yeah,
goes to.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
The World Series.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
And it kind of was the first time that I'd
actually allowed myself to think about it. And then I
then the thought went away, and I was like, nope,
we got a long.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Game to go.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Just we're just just playing a baseball game. Let's just
see what happens. And then once we were nine outs away,
everybody you kept seeing everybody, Okay, nine outs, nine outs,
that's all we gotta do, and it was seeming like
this is actually now within reach. And so I'd finally
got into the part where I was going to let
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myself think this could happen, and then Springer came and
I just it was like crush, like gut punch, and
just it was the second that happened, and I normally
have never that way because I always think this team
can rally, this team can come back. I don't know,
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but something about that home run from George Springer, it
was like, Nope, that's it, it's done, and it sucked.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, it was definitely a gut punch. I mean, here,
you get to a game seven, you led most of
the game. Yeah, you you know, I had our boss
sitting next to me during the course of the game
pretty much just counting down the outs audibly in my ear,
and his anxiety certainly added to my anxiety in the moment.
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But when you I mean you basically outplayed them for
seventy percent of the game. You led seventy percent of
the game.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And then they had after the first inning, really just
one rally. I mean, I guess they put one together
in the munnose inning and we got out of that.
Got a little lucky there to get out of that
without any further damage. And that's why I thought, oh man,
they're gonna do this again. We just they had first
and third, nobody out. They just hit a bullet and
Nailer nabbed it, doubled the guy off first.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
We are gonna do that. They're gonna do this to
us again.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
They're just gonna take it all the way to the
brink and then pull it out miraculously. It's the year
of Cal. He was due up fourth the following inning.
It's gonna be the year of Cal. He's gonna get
up there somehow, Julio's gonna work a walk, Something's gonna happen.
Cal's gonna get to the plate and do something spectacular
in the Year of Cal.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So I didn't.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I was still thinking that they were gonna pull it
off somehow, even after the Springer home run.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
But there's no doubt.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I mean, it was a gut punch because you led
most of the way, you did enter sort of countdown
mode at some point you couldn't help but do it.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And it was just a matter of and it really
was a matter of how do we get to Munnos?
How are we going to get because he was going
to pitch two innings, How are we going to get
to Munos? And that in between period that Dan Wilson
found himself in is the thing that Mariner fans are
going to debate for the rest of their lives. I
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don't care if you're fifteen years old, like Bennett who
called into the show last night, or if you're one
hundred and five and you felt that this was the
last chance you had to add to see the Mariners
get into the World Series. For the rest of Mariner
fans lives, they are going to debate whether or not
Dan Wilson pushed the right buttons there, and obviously he didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Springer ends up hitting the home run.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That doesn't necessarily mean he made a mistake, but certainly
a debatable topic for the rest of a Mariner fan's
life as to what should have happened in that sequence.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
It's very clear, Bucky.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
That what Dan Wilson was I think the organization had
kind of tied themselves to was George Kirby through two
turns through the lineup, and we don't want to expose
him for a third turn because that's where he's gotten
in trouble, and each of his postseason starts is to
have face a lineup the third time through, and even
though he was mowing people down, they stuck to their
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game plan. It was going to be four innings for Kirby,
and then Tom Verducci said before the game Brian who
was going to play a major role in this game tonight.
And so the idea was that Brian Wu, we saw
enough in his last outing. He's going to go for
three innings. That's the master plan, and then we handed
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over to Munjos for two innings. And their plan b
was if anybody gets in trouble along the way, because
Spire was up early and then Bizardo was up late,
and we're going to put out the middle of the
inning fires with Spire Bizardo and I would presume Brash
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might have been the third guy that they might have
used in that scenario. And so they stuck to the
game plan. But something that Bucky said last night, something
you said, stuck with me on the drive home. I
woke up with it this morning, and that was man
Brian Wu had dominated George Springer in that one at
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bat that they faced. I mean, George Springer had obviously
a great series against.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Us, had a great year this year.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But the one time he looked not just he looked
foolish was the one at Batti had against Brian Wu
last night.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And you know, we had.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
A long conversation about whether or not you should add
Munnos ready. A lot of people were talking about that.
It turns out last night I didn't find out that
until I was home. We talked about it significantly last
night in the postgame show. We even entertained the idea
of at least have Brash ready, have a strikeout guy
ready in that situation. But more I thought about it,
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the more what you said about Wu dominating Springer, It's
not like Brian Wu. I mean, he walked the first batter.
Shame on Brian of that inning, and then Kiner Filefa
with his kind of falafel base hit through the middle
of the inning, the middle of the of the diamond,
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which was flukish, and then you got the sacrifice bunt down.
Maybe Wu, maybe you should have stuck with your game plan.
Maybe you should have stuck with Brian Wu in that
situation and see if the guy who's pitched better than
any other Mariner throughout the course of the year, that
you felt good enough about physically to put into to
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take George Kirby out of the game when he was
mowing fools down and put Wu into the game with
the idea that you were on pitch him for three innings.
Maybe that was the mistake. Maybe it wasn't that Munjos
wasn't up and ready to go just in case, or
that Brash was also up with Bizardo because maybe you
would need a strike out that inning and he's more
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of a strikeout pitcher. Those are both things that we
discussed last night. Maybe the route to go was to
have stuck to the game plan and see if Brian
Wu could make George Springer look foolish again. Maybe that
was the error as we That's what I kind of
arrived at by the time I came.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Into work this morning.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That now, because I had said last night I wanted
Munos up in that situation just in case traffic on
the base pass last time, you're going to face the
top of the order, why won't you have your best
reliever ready for that situation. I thought that was an
air last night. I still think you probably should have
done that. But maybe the decision was the original plan.
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Brian Wu's not like he was getting hit around the ballpark, Bucky.
I mean, let him face Springer and see if he
can get out of that mess, rather than going to
bizar to in that situation.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Well, I mean we've talked about it multiple times throughout
the course of the season, and I've most recently when
we were talking during the Detroit series when they decided
to take Trek Scooble out of a game, and I
remember you saying, you know, you've probably made a mistake
when the other team is joyous over the fact that,
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thank God he's out. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like, oh, thanks,
Whether it's pitch cown or you think you got the
lead enough and now you're gonna go to guys that
are used to pitching in this inning or what like,
there's something to that. And I kind of felt that
in the moment of they were actually showing the TV
was actually showing George Springer like.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Dann, are you gonna come get him out? Are you
gonna You're gonna make a pitching change?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I hope right, because he did not, Like I mean,
the last two times he faced him, he wore one
off the knee and then got struck out on three pitches,
looking horrendous, looking as bad as he's looked probably ever
in a postseason at bat. You know, there's things about
Brian Wu that are kind of surprised me as to
how dominant he is and can be with just his fastball.
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But I think it's there's something about the arm angle,
and there's something about the late life on it, and
there's something about how he hides it a little bit
because it makes it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
He makes it look like it's really hard, really hard
to hit.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And obviously it is and and and so yeah, there's
questions to be had there there, and unfortunately there are
questions that will never know an answer to.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That's the thing exactly about it that sometimes he stays in.
He gives up a home run to George Spring, you.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Know, yeah, and you know, well, and you know, you
bring in a guy that's been pretty damn nails for you,
and you know there's a chance that he gets out
of that situation too. And so I just it didn't
happen last night, and unfortunately we have to kind of
live with it. But yeah, the the questions, I mean,
you know, I think Dan Wilson said we were listening
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to his press conference last night a little bit during
the post game show, and he's like, you make decisions,
and you live with the decisions you make. And and
so I think that a lot of times in playoff Bay,
you want to be a little bit preemptive, right during
the regular season, you'd let things ride a little bit,
you kind of kind of let it breathe and see
what your guys can do to get out of it.
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Typically in the postseason you want to make sure that
you don't you're not a batter too late, and so
I think that's probably where they They're right, here's our
game plan, and if we're going to make adjustments, it's
going to try to be a little bit preemptive on it.
And I just now, yeah, I really really wish we
would have been able to see what Brian wu could
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do against George Springer there. But that's there's a part
of that, even though I was thinking in the moment,
there's still is part of it. My feeling with it
right now most certainly is based on the way in
which the outcome happened.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And I think that's the problem first year manager and
Dan Wilson, who I thought the speed of the game
kind of did haunt him during the course of the year,
and it certainly gets ramped up in the playoffs, and
it absolutely gets ramped up in a Game seven. But
I think they had a game plan, and I think
he's stuck with a game plan, and where would that
plan be in case the game plan has to adjust
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on the fly. I mean football coaches have to do
this all the time.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Oh wait a minute, you're showing this look now, even
though I wanted to run this play and you can
call an audible at some point, what was wrong with
getting Munjos and Bizardo ready?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
What was wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
It's as if we had a game plan and he
just went out there to execute the game plan. If
Wu gets in any trouble or if Kirby gets in
any trouble mid inning, we're bringing Inspire.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
He was standing up ready to go. Then we're going
to go to Wu.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
If Wu gets into any trouble and first and second
nobody out, or second and third one out because they
kept him in for the sack bunt uh, then we're
going to Bizardo and then we're going to go for
Munjos to close it out. Like if anything, that I
would criticize because going to Bizardo should not be something
that Marin or fans are furious about. He was really
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good all year long. He was good every outing. He
was outstanding. I mean we were talking about him in
the last year. Is the sung hero of this team,
and yet I still don't view him as one of
our top two dudes coming out of the bullpen and
in the biggest at bat of the entire year. If
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you would have told me we were going to go
to Bizardo to face George Springer with the with the
World Series on the line at the beginning of the year,
I would have probably had you submitted somewhere, you know, yeah,
like committed to you know, a straight jacket for the
rest of your life. No way was that ever going
to happen. And and yet he kind of painted himself
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into that corner of I don't have anybody else loose,
I gotta go with Bizardo here because that's the game
plan that we came in with. To me, after thinking
about it for a while, if that's the corner that
you painted yourself in, to me, Brian Wu is the
better operator in that situation, and you should have just
rowed that out.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But that's a little bit of hindsight.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, certainly in the moment, I felt Munho should be
up and ready in case.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
But if you didn't go that.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Direction, then maybe you let your best pitcher see if
he can at least get Springer out in that situation.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Well, and what about the idea of just intentionally walking
Springer too? I mean I saw a lot of people
asking that question, like why. I mean even it was
I think the analyst said that before they when they
were taking Wu out and Springer was due up, they
were saying, do you think the Marriagers are going to
intentionally walk Springer here?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't like that idea at all because there was
only one out. So if you walk him, okay, you
get Lucas to come to the plate.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
But then you've got Guerrero.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I mean they came into the game wondering if we
should pitch to Guerrero at all. Yeah, so you certainly
aren't going to risk loading the bases for him in
the seventh inning with the game on the line. And
he didn't exactly look off his game last night. He
didn't get struck out once, but he nearly took the
head off of Randy A. Roseerena and has lasted past.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah, I think that that's I mean, maybe it would
have worked because you're at that point, if you're walking Springer,
you're showing him the respect that he deserves because he
as much as I can't stand the guy. He's damn
good in the postseason, and and he was good there.
Obviously the moment's never too big for him. And yet
you're basically saying, God, I hope we get a double
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play here. Otherwise you're brilling bringing lad into the equation.
And if I have to pick my poison, I don't care.
Even in hindsight, George Springer goes yard and you know,
basically propels them to win. I still am picking George
Springer that I'm going after.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
George Springer who clearly couldn't put weight on his back leg.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah yeah, look like you put enough weight on it
there in that swing.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
It's again that that's the part. That's the thing that sucks,
whether you're a fan or whether you're a player, is
the decisions, the actions, the way in which you play,
the opportunities missed that you never get to do over again.
You never get to know what would have happened if
we did this, or if I would have done that,
or none of it matters. You just basically find yourself
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on the outside looking in, three innings away from punching
your ticket to the World Series. And it stings. And
so I mean the pain's real. I think the players
feel it, we as fans feel it, and unfortunately we
got to wait until this time next year to try
to redo it.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
All right, we got four hours to discuss it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We will talk some Seahawks football today as well. That's
pretty much the game plan for US today, and we
probably won't adjust on the fly either. Let's find out
what's on tap for today's show.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Well, what's on TEP, what's on top?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
One last session with Ryan Healey his thoughts here today
at eight thirty. Even though I do believe we found
a friend of the program, and who knows, maybe we'll
hear from more of Ryan throughout the offseason. He's been
terrific through the postseason four US, so we'll have a
chat with him about the season coming to a close
at eight thirty today. The World Series will start on Friday.
I'm not really sure I'm gonna watch.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I don't know. I don't have any interest as of
right now. That's what I said. I was last night.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
I was like, I have no interest in watching the
World Series. That all my mom goes, yes, you will,
because you'll have to talk about it at work. I said, no,
we don't.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, I don't think we will. We can read the highlights.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
As much as I want to see Show Aotani, I
just can't get enough of watching Show Aotani. I really
at this stage have no interest in this Monday Night football.
Seahawks twenty seven to nineteen winners over the Houston Texans
last night. Monday Morning quarterback session today from nine to
ten with Hugh Millen, so we will discuss that Seahawks
enter the bye week with a five and two record,
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which is tied for the second best record in the
entire NFC right now, So Seahawks enter the bye week
on a really strong note.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
We'll talk about that. Also.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Greg Bell joins this at seven oh five. Lions won
over the Buccaneers last night twenty four to nine, both
of those teams five and two on the year as well.
Husky host Illinois Saturday at twelve thirty. Intimidating. I know,
to face powerhouse like that, just one hundred years of
just nothing but dominance. But you will do their best
against the Orange and Blue crack and fall to the
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Flyers last night five to two. It's their first outright
loss of the entire season. They will be back in
action tonight against the Washington Capital, so back to back
road games.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
They'll start that at four o'clock.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Sounders will take on Minnesota United to start the MLS playoffs,
or at least their MLS playoff Monday at six o'clock.
And believe it or not, the NBA season tips off
tonight on NBC and Peacock Houston at Oklahoma City and
Golden State at the Lakers, the two games being played
this evening in the National Basketball Association. We're not going
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to talk about it, Mariners morning After his next Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, since certainly at insign disappointment. Man,
your three innings away from your first ever World Series
bon it appearance, and there's no escaping feeling crushed.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I get that they.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Certainly the players felt crushed, the organization felt crushed last night,
and god knows the fan base felt crushed to getting
that close and then not seeing that dream realized. The
Blue Jays went at four to three, a three run
homer late in the contest, and so we recap it.
It's Mariners morning after. We've been doing it all season long.
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We're certainly not going to stop now. Mariners led for
most of this game last night. They jumped out to
a one nothing lead in the very first inning thanks
to Josh Naylor RBI single that scored Julio, who doubled
the start the game. Blue Jays came right back in
the bottom of the first to tie it, but then
Julio's home run on a great at that a phenomenal
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at bat and the third inning gave the team a two.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
To one lead.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Cal added a dinger in the fifth to make it
three to one, and the score remained that way all
the way to the bottom of the seventh inning. Rather
than play the low light of what occurred, I'm going
to play something that will sound a lot more appealing
to you.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Here's just some random fart noises. Yeah, oh geez.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, much better.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
There you go. Yeah there highlights from Fox Sports. Yeah,
thanks for that. Yeah, Fox as Joe Davis and John
Smoltz right there on the call, he.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Could have just said, and here's what happened when George Springer.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Scept yeah, well I didn't even want to say the name.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I didn't even want to lead up to it.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, I was just gonna, like, I figured people would
rather hear that on loop then have to hear that.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, I didn't want to hear that again. Yeah, I
don't even want to think about it. But yeah, yeah,
it's probably the thing that I hate the most about it,
about the way in which it happened. Yeah, there's not
a person that I would want to have success less.
Might be a good dude, probably is a good dude,
but yeah, he's just the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, and then the whole launch and you just knew
it was coming from Blue Jays fans of the Karma
and all of that stuff. Stop get off your high horse.
We have documented proof that you booed players who were
holding up the game in games that you played in
your own stadiums.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I don't like that we did that. I really don't.
I didn't like it in the moment.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I'm like, man, you've been booing him throughout for the
last several years now, and you can keep doing that
to the end of time. But I don't like the
idea of booing an injured player. But almost every fan
base in a situation like that has had a few
people do that during and when you have fifty thousand
on the edge of their seat, yeah they you know,
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they ended up hearing some booze and cheers for injury,
what have you. I don't like it, it happened, but
it's happened in Toronto games in the past. Several examples
have been pointed out. So stop get stop acting all
high and mighty about this.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Yeah, it's it's ridiculous, acting like we would never ye
were Canadians and we're nice.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Uh well, four to three is the final score. The
season comes to a close in painful fashion. Dan Wilson
after the game.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
I mean, Brian was throwing the ball, so you know,
first of all, Georgie I thought through the ball excellent,
and then Brian picked up right where George.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Left off and and you know, gave us a good
spot to be in.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
And you know, after the walk, you know, hoping to
get the ground ball, which we did, but it just found.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
A hole and then you know, knew him as it
was going to bunt there.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
And and you know, Bizarto has been the guy that's
that's gotten us through those situations, those tight ones, especially
in the pivot role, and you know, that's that's where
we were going at that point. You know, we felt
really comfortable with him out there. The way he's been
throwing the ball, especially in this series, and and you know,
it was.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
A good spot for him.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
You know, you make your decisions and and uh, you know, sometimes.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
You know, you have to live and die with it,
and and uh, you know, I think again, the way
Zarto has thrown the ball all season long, we were
comfortable with where we were, and you know, uh, it
just again didn't didn't go our way. It was just
an outstanding season.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Of three Dan Wilson after the game last night. So
there's no avoiding it. You know, if it doesn't work out,
your people are going to question it, and I think
there are, certainly we've already discussed it, some things to
question here. I don't think what you question is whether
or not Bizardo deserved a shot in that moment, because
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I do think he's been very good all season long,
very good to great all season long, and surprisingly so
I certainly didn't have expectations for Bizardo to have the
year that he's had this year. But I mean in
the moment, and that a lot of especially former major
leaguers and analysts have been expressing this overnight, how do
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you come out, how do you have that two run lead?
Bottom of the seventh and not throw your best out there.
How is Munnos not ready? And as we discussed in
the first segment, if not Munnos, then how do you
not just stick it out with your other best pitcher
during the course of the season, that being Brian Woo
to see if he can wiggle out of that situation.
And I think there's merit to both of those. I
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think I would have rather preferred either of those roots
to what the decision was made last night. It was
very clear they had a game plan before the game started.
This is what they were going to do in these situations,
and they just stuck with the game plan rather than
kind of feeling the moment and what the moment might require.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, we don't know how it would have worked out,
but I mean, even at that moment, you're basically as
close as you've ever been, and then you're in your
toughest situation, right, And it's in large part I mean
I would have liked to have seen Wu go against
Springer there and see.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
What the heck happens. But he did walk the nine
hole hitter.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Or the eight hole hitter, right, seven hitter, and then
they eight hitter, and then they bonted the nine guy.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I mean, that walk is a bad situation right there.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
And so I mean there's a lot of people who
just can't wait to, you know, cast stones about about
Dan Wilson and how poor it was. I'll just say
to me, when you're needing a strikeout, if you look
at Bizarto's numbers, basically, I mean he threw in more
games than anybody else in the postseason, he had good numbers.
He had one bad game, I think it was in
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the Detroit series, and then other than that, he put
up zeros pretty much every time, with the exception I
think he gave up one single run and another outing,
but it didn't cost us. But he still was giving
up about a hit an inning, whereas you go to
Brash or Munos and they were not even close to
a hit. And it's it's one of those if you're
looking for a strikeout. You had two guys that were better,
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and yet you ended up using what is the third
best guy in your bullpen. And that's that's a compliment.
I mean, it's a good good on you, bizarre you
You pitched really well, you earned high leverage situations, but
the other two earned the highest level of leverage situations,
and yet you you basically ended up kind of leaving
one bullet in the chamber with Brash. Now, I don't
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knowly twenty pitches a day before, two innings the day before, Yeah,
well I'm not sure if Bizarro just has more of
a rubber arm, if there was something to Brash not
being actually kind of available unless you absolutely needed it, right,
That's what I was getting at, because otherwise I don't
understand how you wouldn't have had him up right unless
it was how's every feeling today and he's like arms
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hanging all right, Well, then we adjust that accordingly. And
maybe that's where Bizardo goes there and you go mun
Too's a couple more innings to close that thing out.
If you know, Springer just pops up ball and that's
the speed of the game. Point like, as slow moving
as baseball seems to be to a lot of people.
I mean, you started that inning with seven, eight and nine.
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You know you're gonna have to face Springer, g and
Guerrero one more time. It's bottom of the seventh. You're
up to how do you not have one of your
two best and if you don't have one of your
two best if you didn't have time to get them ready,
then why not stick with your best starting pitcher in
that moment. So I think there is room for criticism,
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not that they went to Bizardo, but that they had
other options available. And it feels like the game moved
too quickly there and the seventh inning and the and
the manager was not.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Ready for it.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
And ultimately you do, in the biggest moment, biggest at
bad of the season, you let your third best reliever
pitch to a Mariner killer in that situation, And so
I do believe that there's room for second guessing criticism
in that situation. But you know, they had a game plan,
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they stuck with a game plan, and now we all
have to live with it. Blue Jays end up winning
it by final score of four to three, so they
punched their ticket to the World Series.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
But that's it. Last Mariners Morning After.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
There's nothing to preview for tonight as the third leg
of our segment that we've been doing all season long.
And I suppose they'll still play the World Series, but
I'm not sure I love be around to watch it
all right, coming up next, we'll continue with the Mariners conversation.
One guy I thought played a tremendous game last night,
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even though he didn't stack the stat sheets.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Headlines at seven plus you got Greg Bell at seven
five to recamp last night Seahawks win over the Texans.
We will talk more Seahawks with Hugh Millen today at
nine o'clock. We'll have an hour long Monday morning quarterback session.
Of course, so we are obsessed right now with talking
Marinders baseball. The team eliminated from the playoff picture last
night in crushing fashion. They came within three innings of
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making it to the World Series. But I tell you what,
if anything, my love for Josh Naylor grew last night. Yes,
I'm with everybody else that that's priority number one this
offseason for the Mariners to bring that first baseman back.
My goodness, Bucky, I've never seen this happen before. We
were taught as old kids. Anybody that's ever played shortstop
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or second base at a level higher than Little League,
you were always taught, Oh yeah, go ahead and throw
it side arm it. You got to get that runner down.
He'll go down. Don't worry. He doesn't want to get
hit in the face unless your name is Josh Naylor.
Josh Naylor decided I'm going to take one in the
back of the skull if I have to, because they
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tell me I'm supposed to get down on this play
not written anywhere that I got to slide here. So
I'm just gonna take one on the back of the
skull here if I have to. That and just some
clever defensive plays last night. He had an RBI single
in the game last night. I was wanting him to
get to the plate in the ninth because I was
just sure he was going to come through for the
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team in the situation, and he ended up, you know,
second in the hole that inning. But I mean, Josh
Naylor did everything that you want a leader and a
ballplayer to.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Do in that situation.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, well you nailed it with the ballplayer. I mean,
that's what he is. He's a ballplayer. He goes out there,
he understands. It doesn't mean he's going to be perfect,
but more often than not, gonna get the proper approach.
As much as people maybe get sick of hearing me
say it, it's it's what makes you a good baseball
player is having a good approach. You can have all
the tools in the world, and he doesn't have all
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the tools in the world. He obviously has good eyes,
good hands, good eye hand coordination, got a little bit
of pop and and but how does a guy that
is the second slowest guy in Major League Baseball still
thirty bases because he has instincts, he has a feel
for the game. He understands the game that I mean
the rule you don't have to get down. You just
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when he jumps, then you're interfering with the throw. And
so I wasn't thinking that it should have been called.
And yet once you kind of think about the letter
of the law, then yeah, that's that's interference, I guess.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
But it's one of those because I mean, you but
you know what though, I mean, he was there, they
were dead in the water.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
That was gonna be a double playball, and here's somebody
that says, I'm not gonna get down.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Just see what happens.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, let's see what happens, you know, because there's not
a rule that says you have to slide in that situation.
But the umpires do have the right to gather together
and try to determine whether or not you did intentionally
try to interfere with the path of the ball, which
he did, but he was just like, I don't care.
I'll take one of the back of the skull just
for the chance to break this thing up. I mean,
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who doesn't want that guy on your team?
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, well, if you don't, then I don't want you
as a fellow fan of my team. That's the exact
I mean, honestly, if you're like, that's just reckless, that's
a reckless play.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
But I don't like it at all, then beat it.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
I think that's one of the things that made me sad.
I mean, I was just sad in general that it
was over. But I thought, oh, please, don't let this
be the last time we see Josh Naylor in a
Mariner's uniform.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
And we'll see I mean, he does have the I mean,
you do work hard your entire life for this moment
to reach free agency, to have success at the major
league level, and to see what you're worth on the
open market. And maybe he'll take the highest bidder. And
if he does, it might not be the Mariners. They
haven't exactly shown the pension for, you know, bidding the highest.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
But Bucky and I were talking about it last night.
I would have had a.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Five year, ninety million dollar contract sitting in his lap
on the plane ride home if I were the Mariners.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
The more I thought about that, I don't think that'd
be enough. I think he wist certainly. I mean you'd
have to kind of blow his socks off if you're
going to try to get him. It might have to
be twenty five million a year. And for what it's worth,
there's the.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Market value, says fifteen a year. I was giving him nineteen.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't be surprised if somebody wants
to pay him over twenty or eighteen, just whatever it is.
I mean, he's gonna test free agency. I have a
feeling because I don't see the Mariners coming out and
just given something that's above market value, above what they
think he's worth or what they're willing to pay. That's
(37:47):
maybe that might have been the reason why I woke
up even more sad than than I was last night,
was because it was to me, it's kind of setting in. Well, see,
I hope they do it, Stanton do it. That's a dude.
I mean I saw a picture you guys celebrating after
winning that game five against Detroit. I saw you guys,
and I think that they would like to I just
know that they don't end up kind of just pulling
(38:09):
out all the stops and making it happen. If you
think that's a guy a straw that stirs the drink,
and he most certainly is that.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Well a lot of time talking about here in the
coming months, But I would say he doesn't strike me
as the guy that's taking the highest bid. It strikes
me as the guy like I want to go where
I want to be and then hopefully they don't offer
me an insulting contract, right, and I think that that
could happen here in Seattle. So just don't insult him
(38:37):
with your offer. And I think that he'll be a
Mariner for the next five years.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
That's what I think they about what you'd pay him,
and then add exactly your money we're gonna pay him
is probably gonna be insulting.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
So just add five million. Yeah, So take the market
I did.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I took the market value, and then I gave him
three million more per year over the.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Course of five years.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
And so that's I'm going to dangle that in front
of him and see if he bites all right, mind
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