Headlines and 12th man news with GREGG BELL (Tacoma News Tribune) Last night was pretty incredible with the Mariners vying for a spot in the World Series and the Seahawks hosting the Texans at the same time, so we get Gregg’s thoughts on both. The Seahawks did end up coming away with a win, but it wasn’t pretty. :30- The Mariners broke hearts all over Seattle with last night’s loss, but they’re hearts are broken too. Cal Raleigh called it a failure and was clearly and rightfully disappointed. :35- We sucked at FoF last week, can Chuck help us improve this week with his pick? :45- ABCs of the Mariners - M is for the Mariners: yes, last night was a crushing disappointment and Cal called it a failure, but was it? - N is for Ners: yes, we hate that term, but there are some things we need to point out that were less than ideal… two terrible games, poor starting pitching and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
And now probably the final play of the quarter is
a first down and ten at the eleven. Donald under center.
He's got Walker behind him, motion three steps to his left.
Darnald to throw on first down looking for the end zone.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Crows get Smith and Jacob with the catch, and then
he slams the football over the upright to celebrate the touchdown.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Thirteen nothing Seattle. The flags fly for the dunk of
the football over the gold post, but Jackson, Smith and
Jigba does not care at all. His fourth touchdown catch
of the year had a fifteen yard penalty for the
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slam dunk. Second down and goal from the two a
minute to play. Third quarter offsetbacks, this time Arroyo in motion,
the turn and the give to Charbonnet stutter step kind.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Of burst into the in zone for a Seattle touchdown
twenty six to twelve Seattle as Sex sharpa day first
over the left side for six.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Good Tuesday morning to you all, Chuck Powle, Buggy, Jacobson,
Ashley Ryan with you, and yes, I understand why Ashley
played football highlights coming out of the break. Seahawks do
win last night by a final score twenty seven to nineteen.
Oh The Texans moved to five and two before the bye.
Jackson Smith and Jigba another big game, eight catches, one
hundred and twenty three yards and a touchdown. We'll talk
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with Greg Bell here in no matter seconds about what
he saw last night on Monday Night Football. The Lions
also played on Monday Night Football and one over the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers by a final score of twenty four
to nine. Husky's a host Illinois Saturday at twelve thirty
part of our Frost Brewed Corps Light Shoes Chill headlines
(01:57):
before we get to Greg crack and fall to the
Flyers first real loss of the year, five to two
to the Flyers. Joey Decord did not have it last night.
Team will play again tonight at Washington. They'll drop the
Pucket four o'clock. Sounders will be starting their playoff round
Monday evening six o'clock in Minnesota against Minnesota United. Speaking
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of starting, the NBA season gets started tonight with two
games Houston at OKC and Golden State at the Lakers.
Lebron will not play in that game. The games will
be on NBC and Peacock and of course Major League Baseball.
The Mariners lose for the Toronto Blue Jays, the fall
one game shy of the World Series, really three innings
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shy of the World Series, a three run bottom of
the seventh home run from all people, George Springer, the
difference in the game crushing laws certainly for the city,
for the clubhouse.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
And we of course aren't.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Celebrating today instead wringing our hands a little bit. But
we will talk a lot about it throughout the course
of our day together.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
But right now, let's bring in Greg Bell.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Yeah. I made it worse, didn't it. That they were
leading and in control of the game and winning their
way with pitching and home runs, and it was just
lining up there and yeah, I'm sure you're already discussing
Bizardo over.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
What was your biggest takeaway from it all last night
from what you could see as you were doing your
main job.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yeah, I had most of my attention on the Mariners, honestly,
and I missed most of the game right below me.
Such a unique situation. That whole thing for the hour
and a half was just I've never been in something
like that, But at the time I thought they should
have kept Wooing. He just struck out Springer the previous
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at bat. I know there's all kinds of analytics that
they rely on about second and third times through orders
with pitchers usually second in the relief game, and I
think they were too wedded to that, and sometimes you
just gotta trust your eyes and your gut and go
with the all star starter instead of a I know
Bizardo's had a really out of nowhere season and been
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very good for them, but he really probably is your
fifth or sixth best option of everybody on the pitching staff,
including starters, including Luis Castillo and Bryce Miller who were
in play as well. Wouldn't mind seeing Moonios in that situation.
I mean, that's the top of the order with tu
On in the World Series at stake, So what it's
the seventh ending, right, And that's not we said it.
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I said it in the press box to everybody sitting
next to me. I said, what are they doing? Not bizarre,
not bizaro? Uh yeah, just that was my reaction. But
it was, like I said, it was they still overswing. Yeah,
that's who they are, but it was working the two
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strikes with home runs and pitching, and they were the
blueprint to winning was there, and that's really frustrating. And
I feel for all the Mariner fans in the Pacific Northwest,
and if you can take a step back, this really
was a special season. They don't get to the World Series,
only two do and they still haven't gone. But I
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still contend that the GNO Grand Slam will go down
in Seattle sports lower history and be the memory of
this postseason run that they were on. And they still
did something no Mariner team's done and around here that's
that's something.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
Yeah, I mean, it was an unfortunate way for it
to end, but it is what it is.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
I mean, it was lucky.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
What would you have done in that situation?
Speaker 7 (05:45):
Would I would have left wo win to pitch to Springer?
Speaker 6 (05:48):
I mean, it's we've talked about it already, but the
idea of if hitters get ready to walk up to
the dish and he sees the manager come out and
take out a guy that made me look silly before,
I'm probably going I don't care who you bring in,
but I'm happy that you're not leaving him in. And so,
I mean, the unfortunate part, that's the part that sucks
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the most is the wondering what if and I mean,
in an alternate universe, Bizarta comes in there and punches
out Springer and you know, and however, it unfolds it
a different way and we're talking about something different.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
But it didn't.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
They didn't execute, and the Toronto Blue Jays did over
the course of seven games, more.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
So Springer of all people, Yeah, exactly. I mean, just.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Creig Bell is with us, our Seahawks insider. You also
doubled throughout the postseason, following the Mariners through the playoffs
as well for the News Tribune, and so we have
been talking with him Mariners baseball just about every segment
as well as Seahawks football here for the last couple
of weeks. But we did have a victory last night
on the grid iron last night Loomanfield Rock and for
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the Seahawks win over the Houston Texans. Jackson Smith and
Jigba just incredible again. Eight catches, one hundred and twenty
three yards a touchdown. He is one hundred and ninety
yards above Jamar Chase for first place in receiving yards
in the National Football League. I mean, are we talking
about having the best receiver in the NFL. Is that
how special this guy is turning out to beat at
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the moment.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Yeah, I mean you can probably argue Justin Jefferson Jamar
Chase over the aggrey of the longer haul and proven
over time. But over the seven games of this season, yes,
we are home to the best NFL's best receiver. He's
getting open no matter what. Last night, Houston had cloud
coverage of the safety over the top and the corn underneath.
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Sometimes they just flat out doubled him. He beats him inside,
he beats him outside. He beats him on fourth and one,
he beats him on first and ten, and Darnold realized it,
and he looks for him all the time. I mean
sudden change plays deep down the field, shot to Smith
and Jiguba fourth and one, a roll out the tight
end in the flat. He doesn't throw to Barner, he
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throws ten fifteen yards behind him in the same direction.
On a boot leg to the left, he goes for
the deeper option of eighteen yards. I asked Donald after
the game specifically about that play in the fourth quarter,
because almost every NFL quarterback will just dump it into
the flat for a safe couple of yard gain on
fourth and short, and Donald told me he surmised as
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he looked at Barner that he thought the linebacker was
going to tackle him immediately upon the catch, and in
Donald's destination. He wasn't sure that it would have been
to the line to gain for the first down. It
was that close to him, so he went for the
surer thing, and that's how he said, that's my progression,
but that's how good Smith and Jigbait is. The surer
thing is a twenty yard pass instead of a two
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yard pass. That's how good Smith and Jigbit has been.
And my favorite moment, once i'd middle of the second
quarter turned my attention to the game I'm actually being
paid to cover, was when Smith and Jigger got stiff
armed by Stingley after Stingley intercepted the pass in the
fourth quarter and popped his helmet off, but Smith and
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Jig was six foot two hundred pounds, kept playing through
the play, pushed Stingley out of bounds without his helmet on.
And then Hatless was on the Texans bench with forty
five Texans around him and nobody else. There was no
Sea Yorks anywhere near, and the Texans are going to
take some shots there and one of them did. A
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linebacker pushes him into the really hard too, from the
middle of the middle of the sideline into the bench
and literally onto the Texans bench. And he was just
sitting there without his helmet on. It was like a
junkyard dog was cornered by every other junkyard dog in
the city and he was up against the fence. He's
just sitting there on the bench without a helmet on.
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Was about forty Texans surrounding him, and he just sat there,
smiling like he was in a park on Sunday, worrying,
and didn't do anything, didn't react, did nothing, just sat there.
And then I thought Nathan Jones, the field judge, the
NFL official, came over and did great preventive officiating if
he saw it, he ye just hugged him human shielded him. Yeah,
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and leaned his body into the bench over at Smith
and Jigba so that the players couldn't get to him,
and then cool their heads futailed. But after the A
McDonald said that he thought Smith and Jigba was amazingly
poised in that situation that a lot of players would
snapped back, and that had been a big fricus and
he would have been outnumbered and potentially injured. He said
it was a scary had scene to see his star
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receiver without a helmet on the other sideline and Smith
and Jigger just calmly something say yeah, I'm cool, and
just he laughed after the game and said, yeah, I
can face that, that's no problem. But he did do
right and not reacting there and diffused the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Yeah, Greg, guy, I mean that we've talked and news
talked a lot about the run game and then the
need to establish it. They rushed for what one hundred
and eighteen yards and so was it a highly effective
run game that then helped set up the past game
when Sam Donald did decide to look at Jackson, Smith
and jigback.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
No, I don't think so, Bucky. I thought it was
another game where the numbers belive what actually happened and
what it felt like the game went in running the ball,
and after the game, McDonald said as much. He said,
we're still searching in the run game. The longest most
effective run was called back by a holding penalty on
Charles Cross. I believe it was in the second half.
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They couldn't wouldn't at times get Kenneth Walker going. I
know they're on a plan set out a thousand times.
I'd mentioned how Walker as a foot issue to trying
to maintain him and play all seventeen games, But how
they're doing it with Charbona and Walker. It's weird how
they'll just go Casper mode with Kenneth Walker in the
middle of drives that he seems to be effective on
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a couple of good runs and he's out and you're like,
wait a minute, third and short, why is not Walker
in there? And Charboney runs into a wall of everybody,
even some Charvonay's first touchdown, he got stacked up at
the four yard line and he got pushed across the
goal line by about six of his teammates for a touchdown.
Went from the four to the zero to the goal
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line for a touchdown. McDonald's keeps saying, and Kobiac keeps
saying to us that, you know, Charboney just doesn't have
running lines to run to, which is why his yards
per carry have been over the season so much below Walkers.
And it seems to be true every time, almost every
time he gets the ball, he's got nothing. He's got
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three or four guys in his face. The difference is Walker,
when he gets that will at least get you some
yards or back to the line of Scrimming's miraculously sometimes
because of elusiveness, and Charbonney doesn't seem to have that.
I know why they're doing it, but if it were me,
I would use Walker more consistently through drives, through red
zones and even on some third down plays. Then they've
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been using him, but they have a longer plan that
they're sticking with.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Greig Bell is with us our Seahawks insider from the
News Tribune. You can follo him at g bel Seattle
on X. What does it say about a Mike McDonald
team to be five and two going into the break
beat on Monday Night football? A pretty good I mean
a great defensive team in Houston by eight points, even
though you lost the turnover battle minus three.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
They are still prone, including Sam Donald, as as good
as he's been to not taking care of the football
as much as I mean, he can't lose the ball
in the end zone when you're that safety or excuse me,
a touchdown and being a touchdown because he dropped the
ball would have been a safety on the sack and
the end zone in the second half that was on Donald.
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He had a pocket. Charles Cross was blocking Will Anderson
is right below us in the press box, and Cross
was winning the one on one. He was still Wallie Anderson,
and Donald had a receiver out in the flat. It
was his secondary read, it wasn't his primary. But in
that situation and in your own end zone, get rid
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of the ball. And Donald said as much afterwards, but
insteaden it wasn't that Donald just didn't get rid of
the ball. He didn't. He ran outside the pocket, outside
of where Anderson was still a wall by Cross, and
Anderson saw it, and Cross didn't realize it. And then
Anderson just disengaged from Cross and ran outside away from
Cross blocking him, and Donald ran right into the sack.
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If Donald had stayed inside of Cross, where Cross was
winning the battle, there is no sack there. So Donald
ran into that sack. And you can't run into a
sack in your own end zone, especially then you can't
lose the ball. And so that's another example of in
a situation where the ball is premium around either goal line,
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you can't lose it. And that's twice now in this
season of course, the forty nine Ers game when Poster
knocked the right tackle Abe Lucas into Sam Donald thirty
seconds left the game and Donald lose the ball. He
just can't do that. You're gonna throw interceptions when you throw,
as much as teams doing the NFL, but you just
can't lose the ball in your own end zone. And
they've got to be concerned about that, the quarterback losing
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the ball in those situations around the goal line. But
you're right, that's telling it to me. The game, the
story of the game was the defense. To me, that
was a twenty seven to twelve or twenty seven to
even six game. They should have enough twenty one three
at halftime, and they gave away two six point swings
at the end of the first half with the block
field goal and then the turnover and the silly Cooper
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cup end a round pass that I asked McDonald, he said, yeah,
we're gonna put that in the freezer. Couple was really
upset about that playoff game. He wanted nothing to do
with talk about that. He's usually really affable and we'll
talk about anything. He said, I do't want to talk
about that terrible play by me. I don't want to talk
about them. I've already said enough. But yeah, they handed
him six points to get back in the game. At halftime,
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it was fourteen to six because of these handed them
two field goals at the end of the half. They
were sloppy, but their defense to me dominate the game.
They had a meeting night before they always have a
team meeting, and the defense got together and said, we
want to play to our standard, and our standard is
to be the best defense in the NFL. Ers Jones
said after the game. That was their mantra. That's what
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they set as a goal since the first day of
OTAs and the Tampa Bay game has stung them. Since
the Tampa Bay game, they have dominated two foes and
basically given up twelve points in each game except for
the garbage time touchdown to the end last night. So
the reeve dedicated themselves to being better. They would not
let tight the Texans in the end zone for most
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of that game until two minutes left. They got two
goal on stands and tyle Cotta leaping in the end
zone to block down a pass the best play as
a Seahawk, the third down stop by Bayern Murphy, the
fourth down stop the fourth and short by DeMarcus Lawrence
and successive plays. They were stingy. That wasn't the best
offense in the NFL, but they played last night. But
they held another opponent in their sixty yards rushing second
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in the league in rush defense and allowing our pass
rush to get coin.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Five turnovers, two hundred yards worth of penalties, four for
twenty nine on third down. Sounds like a good game
to have missed. You know, if I was gonna miss
a Seahawks game, maybe that's the one.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
I should have missed.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
That's that sounds like an ugly night and you're just
happy to get the w all right, Greg, Well, we'll
have all week to discuss this now. We'll do a
roundtable on Thursday. We'll bring that back this week and
everything else. So we'll let you go for now. But
thank you, sir, great stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
As always appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Sorry at the Pacific Northwest, that was a sun marin
a rite and they always do it and suddenly don't.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, no doubt. All right, Greg Bell our Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Inside of joining us right here on Chucking Buck, you
can follow him at g bel Seattle and of course
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up at seven thirty five, plus Cal Raley. You got
to hear the audio from him last night after the game.
Sports Radio ninety three point three kh A r F M.
(18:08):
Suckie day, just a sucky day, yeah, fact, yeah, But
we're talking mostly Mariner baseball here this morning. We will
talk more about the Seahawks with Hugh Millen coming up
at nine o'clock today. In our entire hour will be
some Monday morning quarterback. We'll take a look at that
Seahawks game, something that we might not have done had
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the Mariners won last night and we were in a
joyous mood if it were a joyous occasion going on
to the World Series for the first time ever. It
came up a little bit short. We will play some
factor fiction at seven thirty five, but certainly a lot
of Seattle sports fans hurting this morning, getting so close
to the first ever World Series appearance and missing out
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with a three run homer late in the contest bottom
of the seventh for the Blue Jays that pushed them
to the Fall Classic, and so afterwards broken hearts in
the locker room and Cal Rawley's might have been the
most shattered.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Here is the m v P after the game.
Speaker 8 (19:08):
It just sucks, hurts cool, clearly this is a very
emotional times for you and everyone else. Just what's going
through your.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Mind right now?
Speaker 9 (19:23):
Uh, just you know, thinking about what we couldn't kid
them better? You know, uh, you know you look back
a lot of points in the game. Yeah, so you
could take Anangos and Eres in a series and yeah, so.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Just just disappointed. I'm super proud of these guys. Uh,
it was a great too effort. Uh love every guy
in this room. For ultimately it's uh, it's uh, you know,
no want and it's uh, you know, I hate to
use the word failure, but that's a failure.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
I mean that's what we expected just to get some
World series and the World Series and.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
That's you know what the bars on the Saturdays, and
you know, that's what we want to hold ourselves accountable too.
Speaker 9 (20:19):
But yeah, it's, uh, it.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Hurts, and but I don't want to see that to.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
Take away from you know, like I said, I'm proud
of the guys in this room.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I would find always to the end.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Like I said, it was a great.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Drip of guys and I don't.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
I love every single one of them.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
You couldn't really make it out in just the audio.
Maybe he could, but you could see in the video, Uh,
he had just been crying to tell his eyes were red,
still had watery eyes, and he started to get choked
up talking about it a couple of times. So, uh,
in case you ever wondered if they care count Yeah, yeah,
well he cares a lot. He's not disappointed because his
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season came to an end. He's disappointed because of the
season for everyone involved, including all of us fans, came
to an end. And yeah, it's unfortunate that. I mean,
everybody gets a fan over they want a fan, but
it's the negativity towards well, they just played like crap.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
They choked away a couple. Yeah, they didn't play great,
but they're humans. They go out there try their best.
I mean, if that doesn't you got to watch the video,
because I think the video does give it a little
more justice than just here in the audio. The guy's
visibly upset about the fact that they came up short
of what their goal was.
Speaker 10 (21:35):
Yeah, it's I don't understand the idea of people saying
that they don't think the players care because they're getting
a paycheck. Like these people are putting in morning, noon, night,
every day of their lives into trying to help this
team win. And they weren't just doing it for themselves
and the Mariners organization. They were doing it for the
entire city of Seattle. And if people couldn't see that,
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that's baffling to me. I mean, these guys wanted a colon.
He was out there as the voice and face really
of this organization even years ago, trying to make this
you know, plead with them to make this team better,
to make this team competitive. And I think that even
it just hurts more to see how much it hurts them.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Well, I think part of it is that it's that,
you know, Cal signs an extension.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Part of that conversation was, I want to believe that
you guys are in it, that we don't get to
a trading deadline when we're sitting there looking like we
got a chance to win, and we just put one
foot in the boat and one foot out of the boat.
I think I think he got exactly what he wanted.
You know, this year, he got the contract extension, He
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had the dream season, he got the organization to do
what they promised them they would do before he signed
that contract. He got the team around him that he
thought could win at all. He had the team around
him that he liked. Everybody in the clubhouse, even a
couple that he might have had a little bit of
friction with early in the season, he got him rowing
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all in the same direction together, and by the end
of the year, I mean, you're not gonna meet a
clubhouse more tightly knit than this one. And then you're
never gonna meet a starting rotation more tight than this one.
And he's really part.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Of that circle. And so this was a tight group.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And they wanted to get this done for Seattle and
obviously for themselves as well, and he being one of
the leaders, if not the leader, of this team, he
took a lot of that responsibility on his shoulders. And
it really does stink, just from a baseball game standpoint,
last night, that he was standing in the batter's box
when the game came to a close. Year of cal right,
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I thought for sure they were going to get to
him and we were gonna have some magical moment to
keep this season alive. But it ends up ending on
Julio's strikeout and cal Rawley didn't get that chance to
play hero one more time. So a crush bunch of
Mayor and there's the last night there's no question about it.
But something we'll talk about a little bit later on
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in the show, one that I'm sure is going to rebound.
This isn't the last great run that we're going to experience.
All right, let's play some factor fiction. Where's that to go?
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Yeah, wrong way.
Speaker 10 (24:47):
Last there too, I had another push if it wasn't
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So I got beating up bludgeoned last week. So let's
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and look, I would have I came very close last
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Speaker 4 (25:10):
So I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
BYU has to do to earn the respect of Vegas,
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the road against Iowa State this weekend. So sign me up.
I'm on the bandwagon. You got me all right? Plus
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two and a half at Iowa State. I'm going to
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So that's going to be my factor.
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Speaker 4 (27:13):
All right.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Abcs of the ms are next on Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM, and it will extend a little
bit into the offseason as well. Last Mariners Morning After
Today recapping the final game of the season. But no
reason to cut off the abcs of the ms.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
We can keep that.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Going for a little while. And so we'll do it
again today and tomorrow, and we'll see beyond that eight
o'clock hour, we're gonna do all Mariners nine o'clock hour
here today on Chuck and Buck, we're gonna do all Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
So that's the plan for this Tuesday. So let's dive in.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
We left off at the letter M yesterday on our alphabet,
and m's got to be just for the Mariners. I mean,
it was, I know, a crushing disappointment. There's no question
about that Cal win. As far as calling it a failure,
I don't think it was a failure of a season.
I think it was a successful season. But there's no
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doubt when you feel like you're that close to attaining
the goal of making it to the World Series, and
for the fans, the first one ever that you feel
like it's you've failed, it feels like you've failed. I think,
in with hindsight, none of us are going to feel
that way about the twenty twenty five Mariners overall. In general.
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I thought a successful year. I know that they debated,
We debated on a roundtable about what makes this successful year,
there's no doubt or a successful regular season win in
the division for the first time in forever, but also
getting you to the American League Championship Series. I can't
see how that's a failure. So I think a successful
year for the twenty twenty five Mariners may not feel
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like it right now, but that's just I think in
history history, when we look back on it, that was
a successful season.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Well yeah, I mean to some degree, anything less than
winning everything is a failure. And yet you can't necessarily
that's not the standard necessarily that you every team goes
into a season with.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
I think that.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
I think, in all honesty, this team should have expected
to make the playoffs. I think they were good enough
to make the playoffs. What they did at the trade
deadline ensured that they were good enough to make the
playoffs hopefully win the division.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
I'd picked them to win the division.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
They end up doing that, and then you get into
the playoffs as a number two seeds, so you get
to get a buye through the first weekend and then
get you get to go up against Trek Scooba, one
of the best on the planet, twice, and you find
a way to win in dramatic fashion, and then you
go up against a team that I think that, you know,
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there's arguments about I think we're a better ball club
than they are, and yet they played better than we
did over the course of you know, seven games of
twenty seven outs on each side. They made it tougher
on us than we made it on them, and ultimately
they'd deserve to move on. And yet the disappointment of
being three innings away.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Yeah, the three to one lead right.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Now looms large in my mind and in my heart,
and it's hard to swallow.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
It's hard to take it because what if? What if?
Speaker 11 (30:14):
This?
Speaker 7 (30:14):
What if that?
Speaker 6 (30:15):
What if just you you just had better abs here,
or you executed a better pitch in this situation. All
of the what ifs or is what's just this kind
of you know, clouding my mind right now. But there's
no doubt in my mind that it's just going to
take a little bit of time for the kind of
the pain to dole a little bit and then I'm
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going to be able to look at this most certainly
as a successful season.
Speaker 10 (30:39):
Yeah, it's always it's interesting to me because you know,
twenty nine other teams won't win the World Series, right,
one team will, So does that mean twenty nine teams failed? Yeah,
they failed to win the World Series, but that doesn't
make their season a failure. Now, some of them will
have have had a failure of a season, but I
think going to Game seven of the Alcs, as much
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as it hurt right now, he did something that this
organization has never done before. So if you've accomplished something
they've never done before, it can't be a failure.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Well, I think Cal called it a failure.
Speaker 12 (31:12):
And so if it feels like that in the moment,
I find that yeah, yeah, And same thing with you know, fans,
I know it does feel like a failure, like you're
that close, you had the lead, you were up, you
know for most of the game in a Game seven
to get to the World Series, something we've never done.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
So I get why it feels that way now.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
But the twenty twenty five ms for Mariners had a
successful season this year, and in time, I think we'll
all be able to look back at it that way.
But all of that being said in is for nerves,
which is a terrible thing to call the Mariners.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Oh god, yeah, do that?
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Well, because I do want to point out some of
the things that we will kind.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Of pour over I think going forward.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I mean, yes, we're also prisoners of the moment of
how Game seven got.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Away from us.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But the Mariners stepped up at several times during the
course of these postseasons to pull things out. I even
think the Mariners showed up to play last night, but
the Ners showed up a few times during these playoffs.
We played two crappy games in Games four and six.
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Otherwise maybe we wouldn't even have to go to a
Game seven. Our starting pitching, which was supposed to be
the bread and butter, did not really show up collectively
in this series. Yes, Bryce Miller did twice, George did
last night. Brian Woo operated fairly well out of the
bullpen on two different occasions, but not to Brian Woo's standards.
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I think he would even tell you that. And so
there were Yes, the Mariners had a successful season, But
the thing that got in the way of the Mariners
being in the World Series were the Nerves, their alter
ego with a terrible nickname that played indescribably bad at
times during the course of the postseason. And yes, I
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know that happens to other teams in the playoffs. That
does pop into the equation. Not everything's going to be smooth,
but I do believe that it's not Game seven that
a lot of players and fans are going to kick
themselves over. It's looking back at Game three, blowing a
two game lead and playing so poorly in Games three
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and four at home when you really had the series
in your control. I think that's where the series was lost,
more so than in the seventh inning last night.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Well, I mean, ultimately, I think Game seven was a
microcosm of what the season was most certainly was of
what the.
Speaker 7 (33:43):
Series was.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
I mean, I don't think there's anybody that can look
in the mirror that's in that Mariner clubhouse and think
I did everything perfect.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
I was good. I was good the entire postseason.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
I don't have anything any blame that comes my direction.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
I mean you look at it.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Yeah, you go on the road, and you know, Bryce
Miller steps up in that first game, right. Pitch is
the way that we expect the starting rotation to pick
and then pitch, and then the guys out of the
bullpen that are used do their job. They just do
their job and they execute and you win. A three
to one ball game, So the offense didn't necessarily do
anything spectacular, but the pitching picked them up. And then
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you go out in the next game and you end
up putting ten on the board. Some of those were
late tack on runs, but again, pitching kind of did
its job. Offense really stepped up. Outside of that. You know,
the game five win, they end up scoring six runs.
But really, if you look at the four losses, they
scored three last night, two the night before, and they
scored two and four and the two losses. So to me,
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it's like, as an offense, which that's the side of
the game that I obviously my mind kind of runs through,
you would expect them to do a little bit more.
That said, as a pitching staff that they know that
this team was built around them and built and hey,
we can keep these things low if you give up thirteen, eight, six,
and then even for late in game seven, it was
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like they did their job for majority of the game.
They just didn't execute when it mattered most. And unfortunately,
the probably the worst person on the other side that
I would like to see succeed, he did execute. He
locked up on one and the rest is history. So yeah,
I mean there's a difference. There's the Mariners and the
way they play, and then there's the Nerves, and the
Nerves unfortunately played more often than the Mariners.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Well, all right, Well, coming up next we are going
to have a full hour. We'll recap some of the
decisions that were made last night, even though we did
it a little bit earlier, and the show worth emphasizing again.
Ryan Healey's gonna join us in our eight o'clock hour
as well, and then there will point an eye before
the hour is over toward the future, even if people
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don't want to really think about it. Right now, it's
Chucking Buck in the Morning. Sports Radio ninety three point
three KHRFM
And now probably the final play of the quarter is
a first down and ten at the eleven. Donald under center.
He's got Walker behind him, motion three steps to his left.
Darnald to throw on first down looking for the end zone.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Crows get Smith and Jacob with the catch, and then
he slams the football over the upright to celebrate the touchdown.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Thirteen nothing Seattle. The flags fly for the dunk of
the football over the gold post, but Jackson, Smith and
Jigba does not care at all. His fourth touchdown catch
of the year had a fifteen yard penalty for the
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slam dunk. Second down and goal from the two a
minute to play. Third quarter offsetbacks, this time Arroyo in motion,
the turn and the give to Charbonnet stutter step kind.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Of burst into the in zone for a Seattle touchdown
twenty six to twelve Seattle as Sex sharpa day first
over the left side for six.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Good Tuesday morning to you all, Chuck Powle, Buggy, Jacobson,
Ashley Ryan with you, and yes, I understand why Ashley
played football highlights coming out of the break. Seahawks do
win last night by a final score twenty seven to nineteen.
Oh The Texans moved to five and two before the bye.
Jackson Smith and Jigba another big game, eight catches, one
hundred and twenty three yards and a touchdown. We'll talk
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with Greg Bell here in no matter seconds about what
he saw last night on Monday Night Football. The Lions
also played on Monday Night Football and one over the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers by a final score of twenty four
to nine. Husky's a host Illinois Saturday at twelve thirty
part of our Frost Brewed Corps Light Shoes Chill headlines
(01:57):
before we get to Greg crack and fall to the
Flyers first real loss of the year, five to two
to the Flyers. Joey Decord did not have it last night.
Team will play again tonight at Washington. They'll drop the
Pucket four o'clock. Sounders will be starting their playoff round
Monday evening six o'clock in Minnesota against Minnesota United. Speaking
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of starting, the NBA season gets started tonight with two
games Houston at OKC and Golden State at the Lakers.
Lebron will not play in that game. The games will
be on NBC and Peacock and of course Major League Baseball.
The Mariners lose for the Toronto Blue Jays, the fall
one game shy of the World Series, really three innings
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shy of the World Series, a three run bottom of
the seventh home run from all people, George Springer, the
difference in the game crushing laws certainly for the city,
for the clubhouse.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
And we of course aren't.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Celebrating today instead wringing our hands a little bit. But
we will talk a lot about it throughout the course
of our day together.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
But right now, let's bring in Greg Bell.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Yeah. I made it worse, didn't it. That they were
leading and in control of the game and winning their
way with pitching and home runs, and it was just
lining up there and yeah, I'm sure you're already discussing
Bizardo over.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
What was your biggest takeaway from it all last night
from what you could see as you were doing your
main job.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yeah, I had most of my attention on the Mariners, honestly,
and I missed most of the game right below me.
Such a unique situation. That whole thing for the hour
and a half was just I've never been in something
like that, But at the time I thought they should
have kept Wooing. He just struck out Springer the previous
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at bat. I know there's all kinds of analytics that
they rely on about second and third times through orders
with pitchers usually second in the relief game, and I
think they were too wedded to that, and sometimes you
just gotta trust your eyes and your gut and go
with the all star starter instead of a I know
Bizardo's had a really out of nowhere season and been
(04:14):
very good for them, but he really probably is your
fifth or sixth best option of everybody on the pitching staff,
including starters, including Luis Castillo and Bryce Miller who were
in play as well. Wouldn't mind seeing Moonios in that situation.
I mean, that's the top of the order with tu
On in the World Series at stake, So what it's
the seventh ending, right, And that's not we said it.
(04:37):
I said it in the press box to everybody sitting
next to me. I said, what are they doing? Not bizarre,
not bizaro? Uh yeah, just that was my reaction. But
it was, like I said, it was they still overswing. Yeah,
that's who they are, but it was working the two
(05:00):
strikes with home runs and pitching, and they were the
blueprint to winning was there, and that's really frustrating. And
I feel for all the Mariner fans in the Pacific Northwest,
and if you can take a step back, this really
was a special season. They don't get to the World Series,
only two do and they still haven't gone. But I
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still contend that the GNO Grand Slam will go down
in Seattle sports lower history and be the memory of
this postseason run that they were on. And they still
did something no Mariner team's done and around here that's
that's something.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
Yeah, I mean, it was an unfortunate way for it
to end, but it is what it is.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
I mean, it was lucky.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
What would you have done in that situation?
Speaker 7 (05:45):
Would I would have left wo win to pitch to Springer?
Speaker 6 (05:48):
I mean, it's we've talked about it already, but the
idea of if hitters get ready to walk up to
the dish and he sees the manager come out and
take out a guy that made me look silly before,
I'm probably going I don't care who you bring in,
but I'm happy that you're not leaving him in. And so,
I mean, the unfortunate part, that's the part that sucks
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the most is the wondering what if and I mean,
in an alternate universe, Bizarta comes in there and punches
out Springer and you know, and however, it unfolds it
a different way and we're talking about something different.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
But it didn't.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
They didn't execute, and the Toronto Blue Jays did over
the course of seven games, more.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
So Springer of all people, Yeah, exactly. I mean, just.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Creig Bell is with us, our Seahawks insider. You also
doubled throughout the postseason, following the Mariners through the playoffs
as well for the News Tribune, and so we have
been talking with him Mariners baseball just about every segment
as well as Seahawks football here for the last couple
of weeks. But we did have a victory last night
on the grid iron last night Loomanfield Rock and for
(06:57):
the Seahawks win over the Houston Texans. Jackson Smith and
Jigba just incredible again. Eight catches, one hundred and twenty
three yards a touchdown. He is one hundred and ninety
yards above Jamar Chase for first place in receiving yards
in the National Football League. I mean, are we talking
about having the best receiver in the NFL. Is that
how special this guy is turning out to beat at
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the moment.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Yeah, I mean you can probably argue Justin Jefferson Jamar
Chase over the aggrey of the longer haul and proven
over time. But over the seven games of this season, yes,
we are home to the best NFL's best receiver. He's
getting open no matter what. Last night, Houston had cloud
coverage of the safety over the top and the corn underneath.
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Sometimes they just flat out doubled him. He beats him inside,
he beats him outside. He beats him on fourth and one,
he beats him on first and ten, and Darnold realized it,
and he looks for him all the time. I mean
sudden change plays deep down the field, shot to Smith
and Jiguba fourth and one, a roll out the tight
end in the flat. He doesn't throw to Barner, he
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throws ten fifteen yards behind him in the same direction.
On a boot leg to the left, he goes for
the deeper option of eighteen yards. I asked Donald after
the game specifically about that play in the fourth quarter,
because almost every NFL quarterback will just dump it into
the flat for a safe couple of yard gain on
fourth and short, and Donald told me he surmised as
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he looked at Barner that he thought the linebacker was
going to tackle him immediately upon the catch, and in
Donald's destination. He wasn't sure that it would have been
to the line to gain for the first down. It
was that close to him, so he went for the
surer thing, and that's how he said, that's my progression,
but that's how good Smith and Jigbait is. The surer
thing is a twenty yard pass instead of a two
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yard pass. That's how good Smith and Jigbit has been.
And my favorite moment, once i'd middle of the second
quarter turned my attention to the game I'm actually being
paid to cover, was when Smith and Jigger got stiff
armed by Stingley after Stingley intercepted the pass in the
fourth quarter and popped his helmet off, but Smith and
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Jig was six foot two hundred pounds, kept playing through
the play, pushed Stingley out of bounds without his helmet on.
And then Hatless was on the Texans bench with forty
five Texans around him and nobody else. There was no
Sea Yorks anywhere near, and the Texans are going to
take some shots there and one of them did. A
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linebacker pushes him into the really hard too, from the
middle of the middle of the sideline into the bench
and literally onto the Texans bench. And he was just
sitting there without his helmet on. It was like a
junkyard dog was cornered by every other junkyard dog in
the city and he was up against the fence. He's
just sitting there on the bench without a helmet on.
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Was about forty Texans surrounding him, and he just sat there,
smiling like he was in a park on Sunday, worrying,
and didn't do anything, didn't react, did nothing, just sat there.
And then I thought Nathan Jones, the field judge, the
NFL official, came over and did great preventive officiating if
he saw it, he ye just hugged him human shielded him. Yeah,
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and leaned his body into the bench over at Smith
and Jigba so that the players couldn't get to him,
and then cool their heads futailed. But after the A
McDonald said that he thought Smith and Jigba was amazingly
poised in that situation that a lot of players would
snapped back, and that had been a big fricus and
he would have been outnumbered and potentially injured. He said
it was a scary had scene to see his star
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receiver without a helmet on the other sideline and Smith
and Jigger just calmly something say yeah, I'm cool, and
just he laughed after the game and said, yeah, I
can face that, that's no problem. But he did do
right and not reacting there and diffused the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Yeah, Greg, guy, I mean that we've talked and news
talked a lot about the run game and then the
need to establish it. They rushed for what one hundred
and eighteen yards and so was it a highly effective
run game that then helped set up the past game
when Sam Donald did decide to look at Jackson, Smith
and jigback.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
No, I don't think so, Bucky. I thought it was
another game where the numbers belive what actually happened and
what it felt like the game went in running the ball,
and after the game, McDonald said as much. He said,
we're still searching in the run game. The longest most
effective run was called back by a holding penalty on
Charles Cross. I believe it was in the second half.
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They couldn't wouldn't at times get Kenneth Walker going. I
know they're on a plan set out a thousand times.
I'd mentioned how Walker as a foot issue to trying
to maintain him and play all seventeen games, But how
they're doing it with Charbona and Walker. It's weird how
they'll just go Casper mode with Kenneth Walker in the
middle of drives that he seems to be effective on
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a couple of good runs and he's out and you're like,
wait a minute, third and short, why is not Walker
in there? And Charboney runs into a wall of everybody,
even some Charvonay's first touchdown, he got stacked up at
the four yard line and he got pushed across the
goal line by about six of his teammates for a touchdown.
Went from the four to the zero to the goal
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line for a touchdown. McDonald's keeps saying, and Kobiac keeps
saying to us that, you know, Charboney just doesn't have
running lines to run to, which is why his yards
per carry have been over the season so much below Walkers.
And it seems to be true every time, almost every
time he gets the ball, he's got nothing. He's got
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three or four guys in his face. The difference is Walker,
when he gets that will at least get you some
yards or back to the line of Scrimming's miraculously sometimes
because of elusiveness, and Charbonney doesn't seem to have that.
I know why they're doing it, but if it were me,
I would use Walker more consistently through drives, through red
zones and even on some third down plays. Then they've
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been using him, but they have a longer plan that
they're sticking with.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Greig Bell is with us our Seahawks insider from the
News Tribune. You can follo him at g bel Seattle
on X. What does it say about a Mike McDonald
team to be five and two going into the break
beat on Monday Night football? A pretty good I mean
a great defensive team in Houston by eight points, even
though you lost the turnover battle minus three.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
They are still prone, including Sam Donald, as as good
as he's been to not taking care of the football
as much as I mean, he can't lose the ball
in the end zone when you're that safety or excuse me,
a touchdown and being a touchdown because he dropped the
ball would have been a safety on the sack and
the end zone in the second half that was on Donald.
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He had a pocket. Charles Cross was blocking Will Anderson
is right below us in the press box, and Cross
was winning the one on one. He was still Wallie Anderson,
and Donald had a receiver out in the flat. It
was his secondary read, it wasn't his primary. But in
that situation and in your own end zone, get rid
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of the ball. And Donald said as much afterwards, but
insteaden it wasn't that Donald just didn't get rid of
the ball. He didn't. He ran outside the pocket, outside
of where Anderson was still a wall by Cross, and
Anderson saw it, and Cross didn't realize it. And then
Anderson just disengaged from Cross and ran outside away from
Cross blocking him, and Donald ran right into the sack.
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If Donald had stayed inside of Cross, where Cross was
winning the battle, there is no sack there. So Donald
ran into that sack. And you can't run into a
sack in your own end zone, especially then you can't
lose the ball. And so that's another example of in
a situation where the ball is premium around either goal line,
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you can't lose it. And that's twice now in this
season of course, the forty nine Ers game when Poster
knocked the right tackle Abe Lucas into Sam Donald thirty
seconds left the game and Donald lose the ball. He
just can't do that. You're gonna throw interceptions when you throw,
as much as teams doing the NFL, but you just
can't lose the ball in your own end zone. And
they've got to be concerned about that, the quarterback losing
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the ball in those situations around the goal line. But
you're right, that's telling it to me. The game, the
story of the game was the defense. To me, that
was a twenty seven to twelve or twenty seven to
even six game. They should have enough twenty one three
at halftime, and they gave away two six point swings
at the end of the first half with the block
field goal and then the turnover and the silly Cooper
(15:31):
cup end a round pass that I asked McDonald, he said, yeah,
we're gonna put that in the freezer. Couple was really
upset about that playoff game. He wanted nothing to do
with talk about that. He's usually really affable and we'll
talk about anything. He said, I do't want to talk
about that terrible play by me. I don't want to talk
about them. I've already said enough. But yeah, they handed
him six points to get back in the game. At halftime,
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it was fourteen to six because of these handed them
two field goals at the end of the half. They
were sloppy, but their defense to me dominate the game.
They had a meeting night before they always have a
team meeting, and the defense got together and said, we
want to play to our standard, and our standard is
to be the best defense in the NFL. Ers Jones
said after the game. That was their mantra. That's what
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they set as a goal since the first day of
OTAs and the Tampa Bay game has stung them. Since
the Tampa Bay game, they have dominated two foes and
basically given up twelve points in each game except for
the garbage time touchdown to the end last night. So
the reeve dedicated themselves to being better. They would not
let tight the Texans in the end zone for most
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of that game until two minutes left. They got two
goal on stands and tyle Cotta leaping in the end
zone to block down a pass the best play as
a Seahawk, the third down stop by Bayern Murphy, the
fourth down stop the fourth and short by DeMarcus Lawrence
and successive plays. They were stingy. That wasn't the best
offense in the NFL, but they played last night. But
they held another opponent in their sixty yards rushing second
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in the league in rush defense and allowing our pass
rush to get coin.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Five turnovers, two hundred yards worth of penalties, four for
twenty nine on third down. Sounds like a good game
to have missed. You know, if I was gonna miss
a Seahawks game, maybe that's the one.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
I should have missed.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
That's that sounds like an ugly night and you're just
happy to get the w all right, Greg, Well, we'll
have all week to discuss this now. We'll do a
roundtable on Thursday. We'll bring that back this week and
everything else. So we'll let you go for now. But
thank you, sir, great stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
As always appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Sorry at the Pacific Northwest, that was a sun marin
a rite and they always do it and suddenly don't.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, no doubt. All right, Greg Bell our Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Inside of joining us right here on Chucking Buck, you
can follow him at g bel Seattle and of course
follow his coverage at Thenewstribune dot com. Factor Fiction coming
up at seven thirty five, plus Cal Raley. You got
to hear the audio from him last night after the game.
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(18:08):
Suckie day, just a sucky day, yeah, fact, yeah, But
we're talking mostly Mariner baseball here this morning. We will
talk more about the Seahawks with Hugh Millen coming up
at nine o'clock today. In our entire hour will be
some Monday morning quarterback. We'll take a look at that
Seahawks game, something that we might not have done had
(18:29):
the Mariners won last night and we were in a
joyous mood if it were a joyous occasion going on
to the World Series for the first time ever. It
came up a little bit short. We will play some
factor fiction at seven thirty five, but certainly a lot
of Seattle sports fans hurting this morning, getting so close
to the first ever World Series appearance and missing out
(18:50):
with a three run homer late in the contest bottom
of the seventh for the Blue Jays that pushed them
to the Fall Classic, and so afterwards broken hearts in
the locker room and Cal Rawley's might have been the
most shattered.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Here is the m v P after the game.
Speaker 8 (19:08):
It just sucks, hurts cool, clearly this is a very
emotional times for you and everyone else. Just what's going
through your.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Mind right now?
Speaker 9 (19:23):
Uh, just you know, thinking about what we couldn't kid
them better? You know, uh, you know you look back
a lot of points in the game. Yeah, so you
could take Anangos and Eres in a series and yeah, so.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Just just disappointed. I'm super proud of these guys. Uh,
it was a great too effort. Uh love every guy
in this room. For ultimately it's uh, it's uh, you know,
no want and it's uh, you know, I hate to
use the word failure, but that's a failure.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
I mean that's what we expected just to get some
World series and the World Series and.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
That's you know what the bars on the Saturdays, and
you know, that's what we want to hold ourselves accountable too.
Speaker 9 (20:19):
But yeah, it's, uh, it.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Hurts, and but I don't want to see that to.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
Take away from you know, like I said, I'm proud
of the guys in this room.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I would find always to the end.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Like I said, it was a great.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Drip of guys and I don't.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
I love every single one of them.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
You couldn't really make it out in just the audio.
Maybe he could, but you could see in the video, Uh,
he had just been crying to tell his eyes were red,
still had watery eyes, and he started to get choked
up talking about it a couple of times. So, uh,
in case you ever wondered if they care count Yeah, yeah,
well he cares a lot. He's not disappointed because his
(21:01):
season came to an end. He's disappointed because of the
season for everyone involved, including all of us fans, came
to an end. And yeah, it's unfortunate that. I mean,
everybody gets a fan over they want a fan, but
it's the negativity towards well, they just played like crap.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
They choked away a couple. Yeah, they didn't play great,
but they're humans. They go out there try their best.
I mean, if that doesn't you got to watch the video,
because I think the video does give it a little
more justice than just here in the audio. The guy's
visibly upset about the fact that they came up short
of what their goal was.
Speaker 10 (21:35):
Yeah, it's I don't understand the idea of people saying
that they don't think the players care because they're getting
a paycheck. Like these people are putting in morning, noon, night,
every day of their lives into trying to help this
team win. And they weren't just doing it for themselves
and the Mariners organization. They were doing it for the
entire city of Seattle. And if people couldn't see that,
(21:56):
that's baffling to me. I mean, these guys wanted a colon.
He was out there as the voice and face really
of this organization even years ago, trying to make this
you know, plead with them to make this team better,
to make this team competitive. And I think that even
it just hurts more to see how much it hurts them.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Well, I think part of it is that it's that,
you know, Cal signs an extension.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Part of that conversation was, I want to believe that
you guys are in it, that we don't get to
a trading deadline when we're sitting there looking like we
got a chance to win, and we just put one
foot in the boat and one foot out of the boat.
I think I think he got exactly what he wanted.
You know, this year, he got the contract extension, He
(22:45):
had the dream season, he got the organization to do
what they promised them they would do before he signed
that contract. He got the team around him that he
thought could win at all. He had the team around
him that he liked. Everybody in the clubhouse, even a
couple that he might have had a little bit of
friction with early in the season, he got him rowing
(23:05):
all in the same direction together, and by the end
of the year, I mean, you're not gonna meet a
clubhouse more tightly knit than this one. And then you're
never gonna meet a starting rotation more tight than this one.
And he's really part.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Of that circle. And so this was a tight group.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And they wanted to get this done for Seattle and
obviously for themselves as well, and he being one of
the leaders, if not the leader, of this team, he
took a lot of that responsibility on his shoulders. And
it really does stink, just from a baseball game standpoint,
last night, that he was standing in the batter's box
when the game came to a close. Year of cal right,
(23:44):
I thought for sure they were going to get to
him and we were gonna have some magical moment to
keep this season alive. But it ends up ending on
Julio's strikeout and cal Rawley didn't get that chance to
play hero one more time. So a crush bunch of
Mayor and there's the last night there's no question about it.
But something we'll talk about a little bit later on
(24:05):
in the show, one that I'm sure is going to rebound.
This isn't the last great run that we're going to experience.
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Speaker 4 (27:13):
All right.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Abcs of the ms are next on Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM, and it will extend a little
bit into the offseason as well. Last Mariners Morning After
Today recapping the final game of the season. But no
reason to cut off the abcs of the ms.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
We can keep that.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Going for a little while. And so we'll do it
again today and tomorrow, and we'll see beyond that eight
o'clock hour, we're gonna do all Mariners nine o'clock hour
here today on Chuck and Buck, we're gonna do all Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
So that's the plan for this Tuesday. So let's dive in.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
We left off at the letter M yesterday on our alphabet,
and m's got to be just for the Mariners. I mean,
it was, I know, a crushing disappointment. There's no question
about that Cal win. As far as calling it a failure,
I don't think it was a failure of a season.
I think it was a successful season. But there's no
(28:07):
doubt when you feel like you're that close to attaining
the goal of making it to the World Series, and
for the fans, the first one ever that you feel
like it's you've failed, it feels like you've failed. I think,
in with hindsight, none of us are going to feel
that way about the twenty twenty five Mariners overall. In general.
(28:28):
I thought a successful year. I know that they debated,
We debated on a roundtable about what makes this successful year,
there's no doubt or a successful regular season win in
the division for the first time in forever, but also
getting you to the American League Championship Series. I can't
see how that's a failure. So I think a successful
year for the twenty twenty five Mariners may not feel
(28:49):
like it right now, but that's just I think in
history history, when we look back on it, that was
a successful season.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Well yeah, I mean to some degree, anything less than
winning everything is a failure. And yet you can't necessarily
that's not the standard necessarily that you every team goes
into a season with.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
I think that.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
I think, in all honesty, this team should have expected
to make the playoffs. I think they were good enough
to make the playoffs. What they did at the trade
deadline ensured that they were good enough to make the
playoffs hopefully win the division.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
I'd picked them to win the division.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
They end up doing that, and then you get into
the playoffs as a number two seeds, so you get
to get a buye through the first weekend and then
get you get to go up against Trek Scooba, one
of the best on the planet, twice, and you find
a way to win in dramatic fashion, and then you
go up against a team that I think that, you know,
(29:46):
there's arguments about I think we're a better ball club
than they are, and yet they played better than we
did over the course of you know, seven games of
twenty seven outs on each side. They made it tougher
on us than we made it on them, and ultimately
they'd deserve to move on. And yet the disappointment of
being three innings away.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Yeah, the three to one lead right.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Now looms large in my mind and in my heart,
and it's hard to swallow.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
It's hard to take it because what if? What if?
Speaker 11 (30:14):
This?
Speaker 7 (30:14):
What if that?
Speaker 6 (30:15):
What if just you you just had better abs here,
or you executed a better pitch in this situation. All
of the what ifs or is what's just this kind
of you know, clouding my mind right now. But there's
no doubt in my mind that it's just going to
take a little bit of time for the kind of
the pain to dole a little bit and then I'm
(30:35):
going to be able to look at this most certainly
as a successful season.
Speaker 10 (30:39):
Yeah, it's always it's interesting to me because you know,
twenty nine other teams won't win the World Series, right,
one team will, So does that mean twenty nine teams failed? Yeah,
they failed to win the World Series, but that doesn't
make their season a failure. Now, some of them will
have have had a failure of a season, but I
think going to Game seven of the Alcs, as much
(30:59):
as it hurt right now, he did something that this
organization has never done before. So if you've accomplished something
they've never done before, it can't be a failure.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Well, I think Cal called it a failure.
Speaker 12 (31:12):
And so if it feels like that in the moment,
I find that yeah, yeah, And same thing with you know, fans,
I know it does feel like a failure, like you're
that close, you had the lead, you were up, you
know for most of the game in a Game seven
to get to the World Series, something we've never done.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
So I get why it feels that way now.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
But the twenty twenty five ms for Mariners had a
successful season this year, and in time, I think we'll
all be able to look back at it that way.
But all of that being said in is for nerves,
which is a terrible thing to call the Mariners.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Oh god, yeah, do that?
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Well, because I do want to point out some of
the things that we will kind.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Of pour over I think going forward.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I mean, yes, we're also prisoners of the moment of
how Game seven got.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Away from us.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But the Mariners stepped up at several times during the
course of these postseasons to pull things out. I even
think the Mariners showed up to play last night, but
the Ners showed up a few times during these playoffs.
We played two crappy games in Games four and six.
(32:20):
Otherwise maybe we wouldn't even have to go to a
Game seven. Our starting pitching, which was supposed to be
the bread and butter, did not really show up collectively
in this series. Yes, Bryce Miller did twice, George did
last night. Brian Woo operated fairly well out of the
bullpen on two different occasions, but not to Brian Woo's standards.
(32:41):
I think he would even tell you that. And so
there were Yes, the Mariners had a successful season, But
the thing that got in the way of the Mariners
being in the World Series were the Nerves, their alter
ego with a terrible nickname that played indescribably bad at
times during the course of the postseason. And yes, I
(33:03):
know that happens to other teams in the playoffs. That
does pop into the equation. Not everything's going to be smooth,
but I do believe that it's not Game seven that
a lot of players and fans are going to kick
themselves over. It's looking back at Game three, blowing a
two game lead and playing so poorly in Games three
(33:24):
and four at home when you really had the series
in your control. I think that's where the series was lost,
more so than in the seventh inning last night.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Well, I mean, ultimately, I think Game seven was a
microcosm of what the season was most certainly was of
what the.
Speaker 7 (33:43):
Series was.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
I mean, I don't think there's anybody that can look
in the mirror that's in that Mariner clubhouse and think
I did everything perfect.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
I was good. I was good the entire postseason.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
I don't have anything any blame that comes my direction.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
I mean you look at it.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Yeah, you go on the road, and you know, Bryce
Miller steps up in that first game, right. Pitch is
the way that we expect the starting rotation to pick
and then pitch, and then the guys out of the
bullpen that are used do their job. They just do
their job and they execute and you win. A three
to one ball game, So the offense didn't necessarily do
anything spectacular, but the pitching picked them up. And then
(34:21):
you go out in the next game and you end
up putting ten on the board. Some of those were
late tack on runs, but again, pitching kind of did
its job. Offense really stepped up. Outside of that. You know,
the game five win, they end up scoring six runs.
But really, if you look at the four losses, they
scored three last night, two the night before, and they
scored two and four and the two losses. So to me,
(34:44):
it's like, as an offense, which that's the side of
the game that I obviously my mind kind of runs through,
you would expect them to do a little bit more.
That said, as a pitching staff that they know that
this team was built around them and built and hey,
we can keep these things low if you give up thirteen, eight, six,
and then even for late in game seven, it was
(35:06):
like they did their job for majority of the game.
They just didn't execute when it mattered most. And unfortunately,
the probably the worst person on the other side that
I would like to see succeed, he did execute. He
locked up on one and the rest is history. So yeah,
I mean there's a difference. There's the Mariners and the
way they play, and then there's the Nerves, and the
Nerves unfortunately played more often than the Mariners.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Well, all right, Well, coming up next we are going
to have a full hour. We'll recap some of the
decisions that were made last night, even though we did
it a little bit earlier, and the show worth emphasizing again.
Ryan Healey's gonna join us in our eight o'clock hour
as well, and then there will point an eye before
the hour is over toward the future, even if people
(35:50):
don't want to really think about it. Right now, it's
Chucking Buck in the Morning. Sports Radio ninety three point
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