October 22, 2025 • 35 mins
A day later… can we put our emotions and thoughts on the Mariners season into words? There’s a lot to process from this Mariners season and it’s abrupt ending, but it’s impossible to say this season wasn’t a success even though it still hurts. :30- Russell Wilson clapped back at Sean Payton’s postgame remarks and it’s clear these two don’t like each other. :45- ABCs of the Mariners - O is for the Offseason: it has begun and everyone is waiting to see what the Mariners get done this year. - P is for Payroll: will the Mariners increase their payroll for 2026?
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hey, good morning, Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It is the Wednesday edition hump Day here on Chuck
Them Back in the Morning Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM. We welcome you to the radio program we
got you for the next four hours till ten o'clock.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And I say we, I mean Ashley Ryan, I mean
Bucky Jacobson. My name is Chuck Powell, and welcome in
to our hearts as we get things started here on
this Wednesday morning, and all of a sudden, we are
introducing the normal world back into our lives. Other sports
apparently have been going on this entire time, and so
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we now introduce ourselves back into everyone else's world that
hasn't been on a playoff ride in Major League Baseball.
Going to talk a little hockey today, We're going to
talk a little NBA today. We're going to talk of
certainly some Seahawks football today, and nice job Sawks. Now
you're going to be on buy yeah, now when we
have time for you, yeah, now when we you know, now,
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when the decks are cleared, now you're going to be
on buy.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah. They're set it up for a world series thing.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I think that step Beside's nice of the Yeah, it
just came up a little short on that.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Nice of Roger Goodell to make the schedule that they
do that a lot, Yeah, to make things horis.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh, yeah, the NFL really cares about all the other leagues. Yeah, loss,
except not at all. Wait, yeah, it's the opposite, except
they would mow down every single league if they could
and take all of their money. All right, well, welcome
into the radio program. And yes, the baseball run for
the Mariners is over, but uh, I still think it's
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top of mind, and so we'll spend a lot of
time on that today as well. Angie Mintink will join
us for the final time this baseball season and an
official capacity. We might bugger from time to time, but
she'll be with us at eight thirty. And you know, yesterday,
you know, there kind of go two different ways the
day after getting eliminated from the playoffs. You can either
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talk about how did we get eliminate and eliminated or
how are you feeling about getting eliminated? And I kind
of opted to go the route of why did we
get eliminated and talked about Dan Wilson decisions and offense
not coming through and starting pitching not being as brilliant
as we hoped it would be in this series and
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things of that nature. And I don't think we're done
discussing that. I think maybe we'll be done discussing that
in like twenty five hundred year, twenty five hundred and
so those things are going to continue to linger. But
we really didn't press into the into sort of the
how does it feel to be eliminated aspect of this,
and Bucky and I discussed it off the air, and
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then somehow it came out on the air when we
were doing television afterwards with Bill Wixi and Fox thirteen,
who's always trying to talk about how the Mariners don't
spend enough.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
But there was the feeling of.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
When the game got over with Monday, it went right
into postgame mode. And then we opened up the phone
lines at one point, and I was stunned at the
callers because we don't take a lot of calls anymore
in American sports talk radio, and most of the time
the feedback that we get on this show via Twitter
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or via the text are really negative comments about the team,
and so you kind of run with that, You kind
of think that that's kind of the tone for the
entire fan base. And yet when we open up the
phone lines, and believe me, I presented it as here's
your opportunity to sound off, go off, and there really
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wasn't any of that. I mean, who knows why. I mean,
there could be a million different reasons why. But we
got a lot of very satisfied with the season and
certainly disappointed and can't wait till next year kind of
phone calls is what we got. And I do think
that's the right approach, but it doesn't mean that that's
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how every individual out there emotionally reacted. Your emotions are
your emotions, whatever they might be. But just that small
sample size of phone callers seem to be keeping things
in pretty decent perspective. It felt like on Monday night
where I personally I was just in show mode, and
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then when I woke up yesterday, I'm like, I'm not
sure I want to talk about this today. I think
I may have talked myself. I don't know if I
want to do this again for four hours. That's honestly
the way it felt like. I get that we're going
to have to discuss this, and I get that it's
topic number one, But after doing two shows a day
basically for the last two weeks talking nothing but baseball,
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and all the time in between talking nothing but baseball.
I just kind of wrote in yesterday day morning, like
that's when sort of the this sucks. I don't want
to talk about a loss, you know, that kind of
feeling kind of was overwhelming me yesterday and so today,
taking the deep breath, I'm just kind of curious as
to how the two of you are feeling. And not
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to get sappy about it, but just like the emotional
toll it took on you, and where you're at thirty
six hours after elimination.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Probably the same, I would say, I don't know if
it's it. Most certainly hasn't been enough time to where
it's dulled the it's pain. I mean it is literally
it's like, oh my gosh, the long slog that it
takes to get where we just got and still come
up short of what you know, there was two goals
left basically to achieve, and yet you had achieved many goals.
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I saw somebody's tweet yesterday about what had happened in
the last like thirty two days, and you're like the
roblest catch and the nailor doubled to clinch the vision
and it just went you know, the game five of
the DLS and the game five of this last all
of these things where you're like, oh my gosh, the
last month has been epic.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
It's been a joy ride.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
At the same time, there's been plenty of things that
are disturbing and frustrating that went into it as well.
And to me, the overwhelming feeling that I have that
has kind of came from the end of the game
when I realized that that ride is over, is oh
my gosh, to get back there again. I believe they
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will get back to that point and beyond again with
this core group of guys. I genuinely do believe it.
And yet it's like, how long it takes to get there?
How many times am I going to have to say
to some meathead around here that twelve games into a
season does not make a season?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I mean, how many times are I can have to
talk somebody off a ledge because they lose three in
a row to a subpar team because it's baseball, And
it's like, I don't I'm not looking for it to
it even though I'm looking forward to what this team
eventually will be, hopefully, and how this offseason will play out,
and what I'm going to how I'm going to feel
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about the moves made or not made. I just it's like,
right now, I'm too exhausted emotionally to be able to
wrap my head around how I'm going to feel about
all of the different things that are going to come
between now and hopefully this time next year, when we
can possibly get over that hump and become, you know,
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actually finished the job that I think they are they
are set up to do.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I think that's a great way of putting it,
and maybe you capture my own thoughts. Exhausted is kind
of the word, like exhausted from it. And they're partly
to blame for this because of the way they play
all the time, such such emotional highs and such emotional lows,
so many head scratching moments with this baseball team. Just
when you think they're clicking, they'll go out and just
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a turd on the field, And then just when you're
sure that they're done, they'll pull something out miraculously. All
the way to the end, I was expecting them to
pull it out, because that's what they do to us.
They just rip out our hair by the root at times,
and yet they have a way to just make you
feel good about the path that.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You've been on. So I don't really take it as emotionally.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I mean, I did not grow up here, and so
that's either a strike for me or a strike against me.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, yeah, so I mean I will never I just
can't as a human being get to the point where
Softy is, for example, like I can't get that emotional
about it. But I will say that I was exhausted
by the end of yesterday's show just talking about it
and having gone on the ride, and you pointed out
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the examples of the highs, and I won't waste time pointing.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Out the examples of the lows.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
But it really was, really was exhausting, and to think
that we had another round that we were this close
to getting and who knows how crazy that ride would
have been.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I mean, we want to go on it, we wanted
to go on it, we want to go on it
in the future.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
But I think exhausted kind of does sum up where
emotionally exhausted. But Ashley, I know you do approach it
a little bit differently.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Than what Bucky and I do.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely reading the comments of people
who have said, you know, I'm fifty years old and
I've never seen the Mariners in the World Series, and
I'm afraid I'm going to die before I ever do
see them in the World Series.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Like that stuff is.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Sad, right, you don't want to go your entire lifetime
of a healthy, normal lifetime never seeing your team in
the World Series.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And it seems like I can believe that that fifty
year old has a lot of living left.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Maybe that's just personal.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, no, I agree, No, I agree, but that this
is literally if somebody said that, and I was like,
but they're in their mind, they're thinking, I'm going to
it's never going to happen. Right, it's been fifth not
quite fifty years, but it's been that that time, so
you know, who's to say it gonna happen in my lifetime?
But I don't feel that way. I don't think it's
never going to happen. And I just I don't have
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like kind of what Bucky said. I don't have the
capabilities mentally right now to think, how's this offseason gonna go?
Are they gonna sign Naylor. Are they gonna sign Polanco?
Are they gonna sign Geno? Like what's gonna happen? Or
are they gonna revert back? I like to think that
this ownership has figured out, like, hey, winning actually really
does help us and brings us a lot of money,
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So maybe we should invest more money into winning, and
that would be good. But I can't, like, I can't
put myself through the what if they don't sign these people?
What if we revert backwards all of these things, because
it's just been so emotional this last month.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And I wouldn't change a thing. I love it.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I mean I would, I would change one thing. I
would have changed that George Springer now.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
But I would.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I would gladly go through another week and a half
of crazy emotions and it it almost I almost felt
like we went through all of that and we got
nothing to show for it, Like and that's why you.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Feel like you're man, I think you feel like that
in the moment, but.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
But now don't.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, but right after it was like that numb Yes, yeah, yes,
you feel like that in the moment. But I mean
they did it was a successful season y And I
know people don't want to think about that right now,
even thirty six hours after the fact, and maybe not
six months after the fact, they won't feel that way.
I think there are a couple of things that you
(11:31):
said there. Number one, and I think the fan base
is guilty of this. From what I've been able to observe.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
The last ten years.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You're blaming this team and this era and this regime
for forty five years.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
A few tips. Absolutely people are and not all, and
they're not playing.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
They haven't been playing championship baseball under Jerry Depoto. But
since the rebuild, they have been winners. They've won five
straight years in a row. They've had a winning record,
and they've taken on us on this ride every year.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
We've got to root for.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
This team with something at stake all the way to
the last week of the regular season.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Five years in a row. That's the longest.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Streak in the history of the Mariners organization. They are
only I think three or four teams in Major League
Baseball who can say that right now, this very moment,
who can make that statement. I think there are only three.
I'd have to do some research on that again, but
I've done it before, and I think that we're one
of three teams that has done that, maybe four, and
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so they have been playing winning baseball, they haven't been
playing championship baseball.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
To a degree.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I know they didn't win the Pennant this year, and
we're not going to be able to say we're world champions.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
We won't even have a shot at it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
But they didn't win a division this year, and so
that in itself suggests that there was a step forward
that was taken. And I think if there's something to
celebrate it is what you said in your comments that
maybe the organization not that they haven't produced winning baseball
because they have ownership, front office players, they have given
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us winning baseball now for half a decade straight.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
But I do.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Believe lessons were learned this year. I do believe a
look in the mirror moment occurred in the offseason for
Jerry Depoto, Justin Hollander and John Stanton, and I do
believe that when push came to shove this year, they
did come out of their comfort zone to do things
that were required to try and make a more concerted
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effort toward going from just winning two championship baseball and
they got results from it, and the fans reacted to it,
and I would hope don't know for sure. I know
Jerry Depoto's on board for it. I know Justin Hollander's
on board Ford, I know Dan Wilson and Kyl Raley
are on board for it. I would hope that John
Stanton loved the ride just so much and the other owners,
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because he's just the face of them, enjoyed the ride
as much as what we did, that they did realize, Okay,
that's what we've got to do, that we got to
make ourselves a little financially uncomfortable when the time is right,
and it does provide dividends, and for Justin and Jerry,
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we do have to make ourselves a little uncomfortable about
giving away prospects in order to get guys that can
help us win right now. And so if those lessons
were learned, then we've got a really great thing going
right now. This isn't same old Mariners, and I'm really
tired of hearing that it's not same old Mariners. It
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hasn't been same old Mariners for the better part of
this decade. We've got something really good going here. And
let's just hope that the lessons that were learned and
applied in twenty twenty five lead to more of that
coming going forward, because we got a chance to not
just win a pennant, we got a chance to win
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a couple World Series with this foundation. And yes, it's
gonna stink to kind of start from the beginning again
next year, but we're really not starting from the beginning
because the foundation is so strong. It gives us such
a lead over all our competition.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I mean, the facts are what you just stated, where
they are, where they've been, where they're going, the trajectory
of it. It's just, you know, I think for a
lot of people and I you know, how I am.
I mean, I'm typically pretty optimistic. I just kind of
that's the nature. That's my nature, That's.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
How I am. And yet when you come off of
a loss like.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
This, there's negative feelings and then there's ways where I
can I can look at but look at how fun
that was? Right And yet it's like, to some degree,
you think about the pain that you feel right now
and have felt for the last couple of days, compared
to what the pain was when you just were eliminated
from the playoffs one game short.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
The last couple of years it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Even the last couple of years of not making the
playoffs pales in comparison to what it feels like to
get there and then have a bye and then win
a tough series against Detroit and then get to Game
seven and be three outs away or three innings away from.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Going to the World Series for the first time.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It's like the eck when when you there's more opportunity
than when it gets taken from you, then more, it
hurts more, And so sure I end up but feeling.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You made a comparison yesterday to a relationship, and it's
the same. I mean, philosophers will tell you it's better
to have loved and lost than to never have loved
at all. I mean, the more in love you are
with something or some notion and it gets taken away
from you, the more pain you're going to feel. But
did you really not want to feel that love? Did
you really not want to go on that ride just
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to avoid the pain? I mean, let's suck it up
and let's do it again next year. And there's no
guarantee that we won't have the rug pulled out from
us again next year. There's no guarantee. George Springer doesn't
do it to us again. But man, let's go. I'm ready.
I'm ready right now. Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
It's the really, to some degree, it's kind of if
it was just me left alone with my own thoughts
and emotions, I would be far closer to just finding
all the silver linings and just kind of living in
that space. It's the fact that you see stuff online, right,
you know. I put a tweet out that was had
that video of col with the puffy eyes and red
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eyes and he's talking about how disappointed he is, and
he's obviously was just very emotional, and I just said
something like I don't want to see anybody insinuating these
guys don't care. And most people responded with agreed, and
great job, cal, goodyear, what a fun ride. And then
there's those turds that are just like, whoa, what are
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you talking about? The guy here two forty it's not
that great a year, or oh yeah, well hang your
alds Banner Seattle, And I'm just like, oh, you people
like just suck joy out of life at every opportunity.
I said, but you said it yourself. The majority of
them had positive reactions, and this we're all guilty of this,
every human being, certainly in this industry, of focusing on
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the two negative comments. I mean, most of it is positive.
I mean you would think.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Based off of what we see and read about the
Mariners fan base, that there would be five hundred people
at every game. Yeah, I mean that crowd was unbelievable
for most of the season, and certainly for the playoffs,
Toronto's was the only one that even compared to it.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And so that's also.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
A lesson that we as humans can learn, is not
to focus on just the one or two turns out
there with the negative commentary. I think for the most part,
like we when we opened up the phone, we had
one guy.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
And he was drunk that was angry about everything.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
One drunk guy that had to be hung up on
because he dropped an F bomb within six seconds coming
on the airwaves.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
But that's the thing too, is people are angry, and
when they're angry, they can't put their motions into the
words of how they're really feeling. It's in the moment anger, right,
And so they're mad that the Mariners lost, didn't make
it to the World Series and we were so close,
and their emotions take control and then they say things
that frankly are idiotic because you shouldn't be. You know,
Cal didn't have a bad season. Cal had an incredible season.
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And if you're going to try to nitpick things like that,
that's silly. I just think, I yeah, I'm I'm very excited.
It is also exhausting to think about, Oh gosh, we
got to start. You know, you start at game one
and you try to do this all over again. That's
that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, well it starts at spring training.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Our spring training coverage will be brought to you by
all Right.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Let's find out what's on tap for the show today.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
What's on to, what's on top? All Right? Off season begins.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Angie Mentink will join us at eight thirty her thoughts
on the season coming to a close Monday.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
World Series will start on Friday Dot. I'll watch it.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
NBA season tipped off yesterday. When one door closes, another opens.
The NBA season gets underway last night, and man did
they have a first game. OKC and Houston went to
double overtime back and forth one twenty five, one twenty four,
the Thunder win to ruin Kevin Durant's debut, but both
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of those teams. Man put on a show last night.
Warriors won over the Lakers. Lebron was on the sidelines.
Warriors win by ten. Michael Jordan made his debut on
NBA on NBC as an analyst last night during halftime
of one of the games. And Inside the NBA makes
its debut tonight. From what I understand on ESPN, cracketfel
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to the Senators yesterday four to one. So that's two
straight losses. Man, I hope the Cracking aren't already tired.
They've got a long way to go. Al Koniski will
join us today at nine thirty to discuss at Sounders.
We'll start their playoffs Monday at Minnesota against Minnesota United
Huskies are going to host Illinois.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I know how intimidating that is.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Boy, Cam Cleveland's going to join us today at eight
o'clock to discuss that Seahawks on By this week, we
got a lot of catching up to do with our
Seahawk insiders, including Greg Bell, who'll be back with us
today at seven o five. And tomorrow starts the brand
new week in the National Football League as the Vikings
are at the Chargers. Speaking of the National Football League.
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Russell Wilson made news yesterday firing back at Sean Peyton.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Who's in the right, who's in the wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
We'll actually discuss that next Sports Radio ninety three point
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Speaker 1 (21:28):
Mister, mister, mister unlimited.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Let's right, all right, Chuck Balbucky Jacobson, and Ashley Ryan
with you here on this Wednesday. Greg Bell, cam Cleland,
Angie mensink Al Koniski will all join us a little
more flavor here today on the radio program as we
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now sort of sink our teeth into the fall scheduling
with the Fall Classic not being at our fingertips any longer.
But we will certainly talk more mariness baseball coming up
on the program as well. But mister Unlimited made the
headlines yesterday. He snapped back at Sean Payton, who did
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he took a shot, Let's face it. He was being
interviewed about facing the New York Giants. In giving a
compliment to Jackson Dart, the new quarterback for the New
York Giants. He kind of took a shot at Russell Wilson,
saying that we were disappointed that they'd made that switch
(22:37):
before we had to face them.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
In essence is what he said, and.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Russell, who tends to ignore that stuff, decided I'm not
going to ignore that one. So then he went to
social media and he said classless. But then that's what
I would expect out of Sean Payton, and then kind
of gave some face laughing emojis and that that's where
it sits.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
But it made all the headlines.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
It's ESPN front page, CBS Sports front page, it is
all over Twitter.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It was trending on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
The backup quarterback for the New York Giants and his
former head coach, Sean Payton getting into a little bit
of a jab war of words publicly.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So who's in the right, Who's in the wrong? Bucky?
Who do you? Whose side you take in here? Let's ride?
I don't know if anybody's right or wrong. It was
for sure.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Well that's the funny part is he ends up putting
the hashtag Let's ride at the end of his his
clap back at Sea, I mean Sean Payton through shade.
It's most certainly a jab of I was hoping he'd
make that change after we played him, insinuating that we
would have liked to play it against Russell Wilson would
have felt better about it. I don't think he's wrong.
(23:47):
I mean I would I watched the game. I would
have much rather played against Russell Wilson. This version of
Russell Wilson than this version of Jackson. Darr Jackson Dart
has brought something different that Russell Wilson was bringing and
and I don't think you have to do that. And
yet again it's they're humans that work together and didn't
like each other. I don't know if Sean Payton was
(24:10):
super pumped about the whole Russell Wilson situation. I mean
the hashtag let's right on the end of it. I
have a feeling that as he began to play poorly
that it was probably Sean Payton, like, will you stop
saying that stupid thing?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I mean it otherwise, why are you putting the let's
right on the on the end of it?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
The whole thing is is silly.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I don't mind Russell Wilson for kind of snapping back
at him. You don't have to sit back and let
somebody talk trash about you. I mean, if they want
to go out and put something out there in the public.
It was pretty a bunch. It was pretty clear that
that they weren't getting along in their time there, that
it was a waste of money. There was a horrible
draft or horrible trade and and and hindered them. I mean,
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we just finally got off underneath paying the guy to
play for other people. So I can understand where both
of them don't like each other. But if Russell doesn't
like Sean Payton because he didn't think he put him
in the best situation to win, and Russell Wilson didn't
and vice versa, they just didn't like each other, that's fine.
I don't know why you have to do the thing
that Peyton did, like just throw a jab out there,
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and I don't mind Russell Wilson coming back at it.
To me, it's I still I'm basically on Sean Payton's side.
I think Russell Wilson was very bad as a Denver
bronco and I wouldn't like him either if he made
me look bad as a coach.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Yeah, I think they're both right in this sense, and
they're both wrong. Like Sean Payton's saying saying what he said,
I don't think you should have said that. I think
you could you could take the high road and be
the better person. But I also, like Russell said, I
would expect that from Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So he didn't take the high road. He made the jab.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Yeah, and he's done other classless things in the past,
so it isn't surprising. So Russell's not wrong and saying well,
I wouldn't expect anything else. Yeah, but you know, and
I'm fine with Russell clapping back as well. And I
do think, yeah, they both they had a terrible time
together in Denver, and Sean Payton was brought into to
control what Denver had let get out of control with
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Russell Wilson. So in that sense, I think Denver the
organization has nobody to blame for that whole thing other
than themselves. Sean Payton was brought in to try to
fix it, and Russell Wilson got humbled real quick.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, I mean it was unnecessary to take the shot
at Russell. You could have given Jackson Darr a compliment
without saying that, And so I kind of liked it
Russell for once, like, you know, you know what, I'm
not gonna just sit here and take this. I heard it,
and I think you your class listen, I'm gonna throw
that out there, so I don't have a problem with that.
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Here's here's the only thing I don't understand about, and
we don't have a lot of time to discuss it.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Sean Payton knew what he was getting into, didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Wasn't the story that Sean Payton wanted to play with
Russell Wilson. I mean, he knew the quarterback in Denver,
he knew the contract that he was taking on. I mean,
you don't he wanted to play with him, and then
once he got there realized.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Oh, I can't think this guy doesn't listen to what
I'm trying to tell him.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, which was already the reputation in his last two
years here with Pete that he was drifting apart from
any kind of coaching, any kind of leadership, was all
about just he thought he was a superstar and he
was being held back. I mean, he knew, he had
to have known full awareness what he was getting into
with Russell Wilson, and then Peyton failed to get him
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on the right track.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Well yeah, I mean I suppose yes, I mean, ultimately
he did fail to get him there. But I think
that's where the animosity lies is he took the job saying,
all right, I got a half a step slower Russell Wilson.
But if I can teach him how to, you know,
how to run the offense like Drew Brees did, very
similar as far as their size and arm strength and
all that kind of stuff goes, he can if he
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picks up what I'm putting down.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Good.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, he probably knew or heard the rumblings that basically
led to him being shipped out of town. But I
think to some degree he's like like every coach that
has an ego, like I can figure out how to
get through his skull that this is how you have
to play the game. Russell just didn't do it. He
just flat out didn't do it. Whether it was it
didn't make sense to him, or it was too difficult,
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remember when it wasn't very long.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Maybe I just got to simplify the things.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So I think to some degree it was I'm trying
to give him all this stuff, he's incapable of taking
the information or unwilling to do it, and therefore they
end up going their separate ways.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I think Sean Payton Russell Wilson made Sean Payton look.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Bad, and he took it personally correct. That's what I think.
Eagle couldn't handle it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, and Russell's ego has been out of control for
a long time. Yeah, and he still isn't understanding hmmm.
He's still to this day he doesn't get it. I mean,
he apparently he's been a really good teammate for the Giants,
and I'll give him credit for that. Uh, but he
still just seems to think that honest goes anybody out.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Here whoa dude.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
That's because he surrounds himself with yes people.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, all right, Coming up next, ABC's at the MS
Sports Radio ninety three p three KRFM, Factor Fiction today
at seven thirty five. We even have a green Jacket
draft today at nine o'clock today. So a lot of
fun things planning for you on this edition of Chuck
and Buck in the Morning's on a homday. But the
abcs of the m's just keep on rolling on. I
know the season has come to a close, but we're
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still got baseball on our brain. Let's face it, still
have Mariner's baseball on our brain. And so we will
use the ABCS of the MS our daily guide where
the alphabet guides us through different Mariner topics, and here
we sit at the letter.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Oh, and I'm sorry, Bucky, I'm sorry, Ashley. I have
no choice.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I really have been given no choice, neither by God
or the alphabet LS.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
For the off season.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It has begun, it is underway, and people are already
thinking about it. Hell, the Seattle Times led with it
today on their sports page. There are a lot of
really interesting decisions to be made this off season, and
certainly Josh Naylor seems to be the priority for this team.
But as we discussed in our first second, and I
(30:00):
didn't even mean to jump to it, I think this
organization learned a few valuable lessons this year on maybe
being a little more aggressive and what it takes to
go from playing winning baseball to potentially championship baseball. And
now I can't wait to see that applied to a
full off season. It didn't really happen last offseason. It
didn't happen until the regular season where we started seeing
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this organization make some aggressive moves. Let's apply it to
a full off season and see if we can't build
a championship team here. And I'm not just talking about
a division champion yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Well, I can remember talking to John Stanton at spring training,
like off the record and just kind of mentioned something
along the lines of it was right after the Cow
have to sign Cow And that's the second time that
we've seen them sign one of these young guys to
buy them out of arbitration years and get what looks
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like a good kind of hometown discount. You get a
little bit of a discount, you pay him earlier, and
you don't have to pay the big time free agent prices.
And I said, you know, if that's why you're not
going out and spending money, big money on big time
free agents that are already established contributors, that would help
the squad, fine, as long as you don't let a
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bunch of these youngsters go. You know, you can't just
be the farm system where you develop them. You make
them to where they're major league ready, and then you
let them go play for somebody else once they've proven
that they're good enough to be, you know, a big
leaguer for a career. And he's like, that's exactly what
we're doing. I said, And so to me, it's like
that's kind of their mo But I think they do
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need to do like you said, do some stuff that's
a little uncomfortable. Maybe every once in a while, like
a Josh Naylor for example, maybe you got to just
really dip into the coffers a little bit and find
find that money you have it somewhere and do something
that maybe is a little out of the realm of
what your normal blueprint would be.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I think that Logan Gilbert is the candidate for that.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I think that you are also getting into arbitration dollars
for a lot of these pitchers, and that could get
pretty pricey. I think that what you're going to see,
and I've said this for years, is you're going to
see hand selected guys that the organization is going to
do that with, and I think Logan's going to be
one of them. I don't think that they want to
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break up he and Cal and I think Logan's maybe
the stronger candidate to accept that team friendlier deal. But
I don't think that Logan and George long term will
be kept. Now you've got one more year with Logan
than you do with George, so I think that you
don't have to worry about the starting rotation. The young
wu Miller, Kirby and Gilbert I would imagine they're all
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going to be back next year. I'd be a little
worried about Luis Castillo if you're a big fan of him.
But eventually I think that there will be a decision
made between Logan or George. I don't think you're bringing
both of them. I don't think you're signing them both
long term, which is something we can talk about at
another date. And then eventually I think you're gonna have
to make the same call on woo Versus Miller as well.
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But that is still a couple of years away. Ps
for payroll, and that seems to be where everybody goes.
I mean, it was like fifteen seconds after the season
was over, and those that have always complained about the
Mariners payroll, we're back complaining about the Mariners payroll again.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I just have pointed this out in the past, and
I'm going to point it out again.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yes, payroll does give you an advantage in the sport.
Six of the top ten payrolls in Major League Baseball
made the playoffs. Two of the top five are in
the World Series. There's no way to get around it.
Having a bigger payroll gives you an advantage, but it
is not the end all be all. There were six
teams that made the playoffs outside of the top ten payrolls,
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so even including three in the bottom ten, including the
team that had the best record in all of Major
League Baseball, the Milwaukee Brewers, who had the twenty third
highest payroll in the entire sport, the Mariners were sitting
at sixteen. We'd all like to see that a little
bit higher, but I would just say that you've got
plenty of examples of teams that just know how to
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build a roster and build an organization that are keeping
up with the Joneses in Major League Baseball. So even
though we'd all like to see that climb, the most
important thing is to establish your foundation and to establish
your farm system and to be able to use it
to make your financial decisions and fill in the holes
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and the gaps that you have on the roster. And
I think that the organization is doing that really well
right now. Haven't always done it really well, but the
lessons that they've learned this year that can be applied
to this going forward. I'd like to see the payroll
climb a little bit, but it's the foundation that really
is the thing that separates you from everybody else.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, Yeah, the foundation and the foundation solid And there's
a majority of the guys that are on this squad
are going to be back. And yet there's going to
be pay raises. Just even if you don't get Logan
Gilbert to you know, basically commit to something long term
to buy him out of his third year of arbitration,
he is still.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Gonna go up.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I mean, I think the estimate is he's gonna make
like eleven twelve million dollars in arbitration next year. There's
all these guys that him and George Kirby and Bryce Miller,
all of them are gonna be getting raises through arbitrations period.
That's just the way that it's gonna be. And yet
you still have some good contracts with with Cal Rowley
and Huli Rodriguez and Randy rose Arena. And I don't
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know if pol uncle come back on the player option
that he has, there's a bunch of there's a bunch
of money. I would be willing to bet he won't,
but hopefully he wants to come back. And and maybe
you're like, all right, not eight million, will you play
for ten million? Maybe he'll do that. We shall see.
But they're gonna they're gonna have to spend some more money.
And then, like I said, I hope they also go
outside of their comfort zone and and tell Naylor, Hey,
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we think that you're a big part of this thing,
and we're gonna put our money in our mouth.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
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Hey, good morning, Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It is the Wednesday edition hump Day here on Chuck
Them Back in the Morning Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM. We welcome you to the radio program we
got you for the next four hours till ten o'clock.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Here this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And I say we, I mean Ashley Ryan, I mean
Bucky Jacobson. My name is Chuck Powell, and welcome in
to our hearts as we get things started here on
this Wednesday morning, and all of a sudden, we are
introducing the normal world back into our lives. Other sports
apparently have been going on this entire time, and so
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we now introduce ourselves back into everyone else's world that
hasn't been on a playoff ride in Major League Baseball.
Going to talk a little hockey today, We're going to
talk a little NBA today. We're going to talk of
certainly some Seahawks football today, and nice job Sawks. Now
you're going to be on buy yeah, now when we
have time for you, yeah, now when we you know, now,
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when the decks are cleared, now you're going to be
on buy.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah. They're set it up for a world series thing.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I think that step Beside's nice of the Yeah, it
just came up a little short on that.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Nice of Roger Goodell to make the schedule that they
do that a lot, Yeah, to make things horis.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh, yeah, the NFL really cares about all the other leagues. Yeah, loss,
except not at all. Wait, yeah, it's the opposite, except
they would mow down every single league if they could
and take all of their money. All right, well, welcome
into the radio program. And yes, the baseball run for
the Mariners is over, but uh, I still think it's
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top of mind, and so we'll spend a lot of
time on that today as well. Angie Mintink will join
us for the final time this baseball season and an
official capacity. We might bugger from time to time, but
she'll be with us at eight thirty. And you know, yesterday,
you know, there kind of go two different ways the
day after getting eliminated from the playoffs. You can either
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talk about how did we get eliminate and eliminated or
how are you feeling about getting eliminated? And I kind
of opted to go the route of why did we
get eliminated and talked about Dan Wilson decisions and offense
not coming through and starting pitching not being as brilliant
as we hoped it would be in this series and
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things of that nature. And I don't think we're done
discussing that. I think maybe we'll be done discussing that
in like twenty five hundred year, twenty five hundred and
so those things are going to continue to linger. But
we really didn't press into the into sort of the
how does it feel to be eliminated aspect of this,
and Bucky and I discussed it off the air, and
(02:53):
then somehow it came out on the air when we
were doing television afterwards with Bill Wixi and Fox thirteen,
who's always trying to talk about how the Mariners don't
spend enough.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
But there was the feeling of.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
When the game got over with Monday, it went right
into postgame mode. And then we opened up the phone
lines at one point, and I was stunned at the
callers because we don't take a lot of calls anymore
in American sports talk radio, and most of the time
the feedback that we get on this show via Twitter
(03:31):
or via the text are really negative comments about the team,
and so you kind of run with that, You kind
of think that that's kind of the tone for the
entire fan base. And yet when we open up the
phone lines, and believe me, I presented it as here's
your opportunity to sound off, go off, and there really
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wasn't any of that. I mean, who knows why. I mean,
there could be a million different reasons why. But we
got a lot of very satisfied with the season and
certainly disappointed and can't wait till next year kind of
phone calls is what we got. And I do think
that's the right approach, but it doesn't mean that that's
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how every individual out there emotionally reacted. Your emotions are
your emotions, whatever they might be. But just that small
sample size of phone callers seem to be keeping things
in pretty decent perspective. It felt like on Monday night
where I personally I was just in show mode, and
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then when I woke up yesterday, I'm like, I'm not
sure I want to talk about this today. I think
I may have talked myself. I don't know if I
want to do this again for four hours. That's honestly
the way it felt like. I get that we're going
to have to discuss this, and I get that it's
topic number one, But after doing two shows a day
basically for the last two weeks talking nothing but baseball,
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and all the time in between talking nothing but baseball.
I just kind of wrote in yesterday day morning, like
that's when sort of the this sucks. I don't want
to talk about a loss, you know, that kind of
feeling kind of was overwhelming me yesterday and so today,
taking the deep breath, I'm just kind of curious as
to how the two of you are feeling. And not
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to get sappy about it, but just like the emotional
toll it took on you, and where you're at thirty
six hours after elimination.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Probably the same, I would say, I don't know if
it's it. Most certainly hasn't been enough time to where
it's dulled the it's pain. I mean it is literally
it's like, oh my gosh, the long slog that it
takes to get where we just got and still come
up short of what you know, there was two goals
left basically to achieve, and yet you had achieved many goals.
(05:49):
I saw somebody's tweet yesterday about what had happened in
the last like thirty two days, and you're like the
roblest catch and the nailor doubled to clinch the vision
and it just went you know, the game five of
the DLS and the game five of this last all
of these things where you're like, oh my gosh, the
last month has been epic.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
It's been a joy ride.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
At the same time, there's been plenty of things that
are disturbing and frustrating that went into it as well.
And to me, the overwhelming feeling that I have that
has kind of came from the end of the game
when I realized that that ride is over, is oh
my gosh, to get back there again. I believe they
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will get back to that point and beyond again with
this core group of guys. I genuinely do believe it.
And yet it's like, how long it takes to get there?
How many times am I going to have to say
to some meathead around here that twelve games into a
season does not make a season?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I mean, how many times are I can have to
talk somebody off a ledge because they lose three in
a row to a subpar team because it's baseball, And
it's like, I don't I'm not looking for it to
it even though I'm looking forward to what this team
eventually will be, hopefully, and how this offseason will play out,
and what I'm going to how I'm going to feel
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about the moves made or not made. I just it's like,
right now, I'm too exhausted emotionally to be able to
wrap my head around how I'm going to feel about
all of the different things that are going to come
between now and hopefully this time next year, when we
can possibly get over that hump and become, you know,
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actually finished the job that I think they are they
are set up to do.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I think that's a great way of putting it,
and maybe you capture my own thoughts. Exhausted is kind
of the word, like exhausted from it. And they're partly
to blame for this because of the way they play
all the time, such such emotional highs and such emotional lows,
so many head scratching moments with this baseball team. Just
when you think they're clicking, they'll go out and just
(08:00):
a turd on the field, And then just when you're
sure that they're done, they'll pull something out miraculously. All
the way to the end, I was expecting them to
pull it out, because that's what they do to us.
They just rip out our hair by the root at times,
and yet they have a way to just make you
feel good about the path that.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You've been on. So I don't really take it as emotionally.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I mean, I did not grow up here, and so
that's either a strike for me or a strike against me.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, yeah, so I mean I will never I just
can't as a human being get to the point where
Softy is, for example, like I can't get that emotional
about it. But I will say that I was exhausted
by the end of yesterday's show just talking about it
and having gone on the ride, and you pointed out
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the examples of the highs, and I won't waste time pointing.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Out the examples of the lows.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
But it really was, really was exhausting, and to think
that we had another round that we were this close
to getting and who knows how crazy that ride would
have been.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I mean, we want to go on it, we wanted
to go on it, we want to go on it
in the future.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
But I think exhausted kind of does sum up where
emotionally exhausted. But Ashley, I know you do approach it
a little bit differently.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Than what Bucky and I do.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely reading the comments of people
who have said, you know, I'm fifty years old and
I've never seen the Mariners in the World Series, and
I'm afraid I'm going to die before I ever do
see them in the World Series.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Like that stuff is.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Sad, right, you don't want to go your entire lifetime
of a healthy, normal lifetime never seeing your team in
the World Series.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And it seems like I can believe that that fifty
year old has a lot of living left.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Maybe that's just personal.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, no, I agree, No, I agree, but that this
is literally if somebody said that, and I was like,
but they're in their mind, they're thinking, I'm going to
it's never going to happen. Right, it's been fifth not
quite fifty years, but it's been that that time, so
you know, who's to say it gonna happen in my lifetime?
But I don't feel that way. I don't think it's
never going to happen. And I just I don't have
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like kind of what Bucky said. I don't have the
capabilities mentally right now to think, how's this offseason gonna go?
Are they gonna sign Naylor. Are they gonna sign Polanco?
Are they gonna sign Geno? Like what's gonna happen? Or
are they gonna revert back? I like to think that
this ownership has figured out, like, hey, winning actually really
does help us and brings us a lot of money,
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So maybe we should invest more money into winning, and
that would be good. But I can't, like, I can't
put myself through the what if they don't sign these people?
What if we revert backwards all of these things, because
it's just been so emotional this last month.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And I wouldn't change a thing. I love it.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I mean I would, I would change one thing. I
would have changed that George Springer now.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
But I would.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I would gladly go through another week and a half
of crazy emotions and it it almost I almost felt
like we went through all of that and we got
nothing to show for it, Like and that's why you.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Feel like you're man, I think you feel like that
in the moment, but.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
But now don't.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, but right after it was like that numb Yes, yeah, yes,
you feel like that in the moment. But I mean
they did it was a successful season y And I
know people don't want to think about that right now,
even thirty six hours after the fact, and maybe not
six months after the fact, they won't feel that way.
I think there are a couple of things that you
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said there. Number one, and I think the fan base
is guilty of this. From what I've been able to observe.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
The last ten years.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You're blaming this team and this era and this regime
for forty five years.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
A few tips. Absolutely people are and not all, and
they're not playing.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
They haven't been playing championship baseball under Jerry Depoto. But
since the rebuild, they have been winners. They've won five
straight years in a row. They've had a winning record,
and they've taken on us on this ride every year.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
We've got to root for.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
This team with something at stake all the way to
the last week of the regular season.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Five years in a row. That's the longest.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Streak in the history of the Mariners organization. They are
only I think three or four teams in Major League
Baseball who can say that right now, this very moment,
who can make that statement. I think there are only three.
I'd have to do some research on that again, but
I've done it before, and I think that we're one
of three teams that has done that, maybe four, and
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so they have been playing winning baseball, they haven't been
playing championship baseball.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
To a degree.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I know they didn't win the Pennant this year, and
we're not going to be able to say we're world champions.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
We won't even have a shot at it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
But they didn't win a division this year, and so
that in itself suggests that there was a step forward
that was taken. And I think if there's something to
celebrate it is what you said in your comments that
maybe the organization not that they haven't produced winning baseball
because they have ownership, front office players, they have given
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us winning baseball now for half a decade straight.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
But I do.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Believe lessons were learned this year. I do believe a
look in the mirror moment occurred in the offseason for
Jerry Depoto, Justin Hollander and John Stanton, and I do
believe that when push came to shove this year, they
did come out of their comfort zone to do things
that were required to try and make a more concerted
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effort toward going from just winning two championship baseball and
they got results from it, and the fans reacted to it,
and I would hope don't know for sure. I know
Jerry Depoto's on board for it. I know Justin Hollander's
on board Ford, I know Dan Wilson and Kyl Raley
are on board for it. I would hope that John
Stanton loved the ride just so much and the other owners,
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because he's just the face of them, enjoyed the ride
as much as what we did, that they did realize, Okay,
that's what we've got to do, that we got to
make ourselves a little financially uncomfortable when the time is right,
and it does provide dividends, and for Justin and Jerry,
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we do have to make ourselves a little uncomfortable about
giving away prospects in order to get guys that can
help us win right now. And so if those lessons
were learned, then we've got a really great thing going
right now. This isn't same old Mariners, and I'm really
tired of hearing that it's not same old Mariners. It
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hasn't been same old Mariners for the better part of
this decade. We've got something really good going here. And
let's just hope that the lessons that were learned and
applied in twenty twenty five lead to more of that
coming going forward, because we got a chance to not
just win a pennant, we got a chance to win
(14:58):
a couple World Series with this foundation. And yes, it's
gonna stink to kind of start from the beginning again
next year, but we're really not starting from the beginning
because the foundation is so strong. It gives us such
a lead over all our competition.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I mean, the facts are what you just stated, where
they are, where they've been, where they're going, the trajectory
of it. It's just, you know, I think for a
lot of people and I you know, how I am.
I mean, I'm typically pretty optimistic. I just kind of
that's the nature. That's my nature, That's.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
How I am. And yet when you come off of
a loss like.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
This, there's negative feelings and then there's ways where I
can I can look at but look at how fun
that was? Right And yet it's like, to some degree,
you think about the pain that you feel right now
and have felt for the last couple of days, compared
to what the pain was when you just were eliminated
from the playoffs one game short.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
The last couple of years it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Even the last couple of years of not making the
playoffs pales in comparison to what it feels like to
get there and then have a bye and then win
a tough series against Detroit and then get to Game
seven and be three outs away or three innings away from.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Going to the World Series for the first time.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
It's like the eck when when you there's more opportunity
than when it gets taken from you, then more, it
hurts more, And so sure I end up but feeling.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You made a comparison yesterday to a relationship, and it's
the same. I mean, philosophers will tell you it's better
to have loved and lost than to never have loved
at all. I mean, the more in love you are
with something or some notion and it gets taken away
from you, the more pain you're going to feel. But
did you really not want to feel that love? Did
you really not want to go on that ride just
(16:41):
to avoid the pain? I mean, let's suck it up
and let's do it again next year. And there's no
guarantee that we won't have the rug pulled out from
us again next year. There's no guarantee. George Springer doesn't
do it to us again. But man, let's go. I'm ready.
I'm ready right now. Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
It's the really, to some degree, it's kind of if
it was just me left alone with my own thoughts
and emotions, I would be far closer to just finding
all the silver linings and just kind of living in
that space. It's the fact that you see stuff online, right,
you know. I put a tweet out that was had
that video of col with the puffy eyes and red
(17:20):
eyes and he's talking about how disappointed he is, and
he's obviously was just very emotional, and I just said
something like I don't want to see anybody insinuating these
guys don't care. And most people responded with agreed, and
great job, cal, goodyear, what a fun ride. And then
there's those turds that are just like, whoa, what are
(17:41):
you talking about? The guy here two forty it's not
that great a year, or oh yeah, well hang your
alds Banner Seattle, And I'm just like, oh, you people
like just suck joy out of life at every opportunity.
I said, but you said it yourself. The majority of
them had positive reactions, and this we're all guilty of this,
every human being, certainly in this industry, of focusing on
(18:02):
the two negative comments. I mean, most of it is positive.
I mean you would think.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Based off of what we see and read about the
Mariners fan base, that there would be five hundred people
at every game. Yeah, I mean that crowd was unbelievable
for most of the season, and certainly for the playoffs,
Toronto's was the only one that even compared to it.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And so that's also.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
A lesson that we as humans can learn, is not
to focus on just the one or two turns out
there with the negative commentary. I think for the most part,
like we when we opened up the phone, we had
one guy.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
And he was drunk that was angry about everything.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
One drunk guy that had to be hung up on
because he dropped an F bomb within six seconds coming
on the airwaves.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
But that's the thing too, is people are angry, and
when they're angry, they can't put their motions into the
words of how they're really feeling. It's in the moment anger, right,
And so they're mad that the Mariners lost, didn't make
it to the World Series and we were so close,
and their emotions take control and then they say things
that frankly are idiotic because you shouldn't be. You know,
Cal didn't have a bad season. Cal had an incredible season.
(19:11):
And if you're going to try to nitpick things like that,
that's silly. I just think, I yeah, I'm I'm very excited.
It is also exhausting to think about, Oh gosh, we
got to start. You know, you start at game one
and you try to do this all over again. That's
that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, well it starts at spring training.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Our spring training coverage will be brought to you by
all Right.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Let's find out what's on tap for the show today.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
What's on to, what's on top? All Right? Off season begins.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Angie Mentink will join us at eight thirty her thoughts
on the season coming to a close Monday.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
World Series will start on Friday Dot. I'll watch it.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
NBA season tipped off yesterday. When one door closes, another opens.
The NBA season gets underway last night, and man did
they have a first game. OKC and Houston went to
double overtime back and forth one twenty five, one twenty four,
the Thunder win to ruin Kevin Durant's debut, but both
(20:11):
of those teams. Man put on a show last night.
Warriors won over the Lakers. Lebron was on the sidelines.
Warriors win by ten. Michael Jordan made his debut on
NBA on NBC as an analyst last night during halftime
of one of the games. And Inside the NBA makes
its debut tonight. From what I understand on ESPN, cracketfel
(20:33):
to the Senators yesterday four to one. So that's two
straight losses. Man, I hope the Cracking aren't already tired.
They've got a long way to go. Al Koniski will
join us today at nine thirty to discuss at Sounders.
We'll start their playoffs Monday at Minnesota against Minnesota United
Huskies are going to host Illinois.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I know how intimidating that is.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Boy, Cam Cleveland's going to join us today at eight
o'clock to discuss that Seahawks on By this week, we
got a lot of catching up to do with our
Seahawk insiders, including Greg Bell, who'll be back with us
today at seven o five. And tomorrow starts the brand
new week in the National Football League as the Vikings
are at the Chargers. Speaking of the National Football League.
(21:16):
Russell Wilson made news yesterday firing back at Sean Peyton.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Who's in the right, who's in the wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
We'll actually discuss that next Sports Radio ninety three point
three kh A r F M.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Mister, mister, mister unlimited.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Let's right, all right, Chuck Balbucky Jacobson, and Ashley Ryan
with you here on this Wednesday. Greg Bell, cam Cleland,
Angie mensink Al Koniski will all join us a little
more flavor here today on the radio program as we
(21:56):
now sort of sink our teeth into the fall scheduling
with the Fall Classic not being at our fingertips any longer.
But we will certainly talk more mariness baseball coming up
on the program as well. But mister Unlimited made the
headlines yesterday. He snapped back at Sean Payton, who did
(22:16):
he took a shot, Let's face it. He was being
interviewed about facing the New York Giants. In giving a
compliment to Jackson Dart, the new quarterback for the New
York Giants. He kind of took a shot at Russell Wilson,
saying that we were disappointed that they'd made that switch
(22:37):
before we had to face them.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
In essence is what he said, and.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Russell, who tends to ignore that stuff, decided I'm not
going to ignore that one. So then he went to
social media and he said classless. But then that's what
I would expect out of Sean Payton, and then kind
of gave some face laughing emojis and that that's where
it sits.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
But it made all the headlines.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
It's ESPN front page, CBS Sports front page, it is
all over Twitter.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It was trending on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
The backup quarterback for the New York Giants and his
former head coach, Sean Payton getting into a little bit
of a jab war of words publicly.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So who's in the right, Who's in the wrong? Bucky?
Who do you? Whose side you take in here? Let's ride?
I don't know if anybody's right or wrong. It was
for sure.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Well that's the funny part is he ends up putting
the hashtag Let's ride at the end of his his
clap back at Sea, I mean Sean Payton through shade.
It's most certainly a jab of I was hoping he'd
make that change after we played him, insinuating that we
would have liked to play it against Russell Wilson would
have felt better about it. I don't think he's wrong.
(23:47):
I mean I would I watched the game. I would
have much rather played against Russell Wilson. This version of
Russell Wilson than this version of Jackson. Darr Jackson Dart
has brought something different that Russell Wilson was bringing and
and I don't think you have to do that. And
yet again it's they're humans that work together and didn't
like each other. I don't know if Sean Payton was
(24:10):
super pumped about the whole Russell Wilson situation. I mean
the hashtag let's right on the end of it. I
have a feeling that as he began to play poorly
that it was probably Sean Payton, like, will you stop
saying that stupid thing?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I mean it otherwise, why are you putting the let's
right on the on the end of it?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
The whole thing is is silly.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I don't mind Russell Wilson for kind of snapping back
at him. You don't have to sit back and let
somebody talk trash about you. I mean, if they want
to go out and put something out there in the public.
It was pretty a bunch. It was pretty clear that
that they weren't getting along in their time there, that
it was a waste of money. There was a horrible
draft or horrible trade and and and hindered them. I mean,
(24:52):
we just finally got off underneath paying the guy to
play for other people. So I can understand where both
of them don't like each other. But if Russell doesn't
like Sean Payton because he didn't think he put him
in the best situation to win, and Russell Wilson didn't
and vice versa, they just didn't like each other, that's fine.
I don't know why you have to do the thing
that Peyton did, like just throw a jab out there,
(25:14):
and I don't mind Russell Wilson coming back at it.
To me, it's I still I'm basically on Sean Payton's side.
I think Russell Wilson was very bad as a Denver
bronco and I wouldn't like him either if he made
me look bad as a coach.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Yeah, I think they're both right in this sense, and
they're both wrong. Like Sean Payton's saying saying what he said,
I don't think you should have said that. I think
you could you could take the high road and be
the better person. But I also, like Russell said, I
would expect that from Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So he didn't take the high road. He made the jab.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Yeah, and he's done other classless things in the past,
so it isn't surprising. So Russell's not wrong and saying well,
I wouldn't expect anything else. Yeah, but you know, and
I'm fine with Russell clapping back as well. And I
do think, yeah, they both they had a terrible time
together in Denver, and Sean Payton was brought into to
control what Denver had let get out of control with
(26:04):
Russell Wilson. So in that sense, I think Denver the
organization has nobody to blame for that whole thing other
than themselves. Sean Payton was brought in to try to
fix it, and Russell Wilson got humbled real quick.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, I mean it was unnecessary to take the shot
at Russell. You could have given Jackson Darr a compliment
without saying that, And so I kind of liked it
Russell for once, like, you know, you know what, I'm
not gonna just sit here and take this. I heard it,
and I think you your class listen, I'm gonna throw
that out there, so I don't have a problem with that.
(26:38):
Here's here's the only thing I don't understand about, and
we don't have a lot of time to discuss it.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Sean Payton knew what he was getting into, didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Wasn't the story that Sean Payton wanted to play with
Russell Wilson. I mean, he knew the quarterback in Denver,
he knew the contract that he was taking on. I mean,
you don't he wanted to play with him, and then
once he got there realized.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Oh, I can't think this guy doesn't listen to what
I'm trying to tell him.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, which was already the reputation in his last two
years here with Pete that he was drifting apart from
any kind of coaching, any kind of leadership, was all
about just he thought he was a superstar and he
was being held back. I mean, he knew, he had
to have known full awareness what he was getting into
with Russell Wilson, and then Peyton failed to get him
(27:28):
on the right track.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Well yeah, I mean I suppose yes, I mean, ultimately
he did fail to get him there. But I think
that's where the animosity lies is he took the job saying,
all right, I got a half a step slower Russell Wilson.
But if I can teach him how to, you know,
how to run the offense like Drew Brees did, very
similar as far as their size and arm strength and
all that kind of stuff goes, he can if he
(27:51):
picks up what I'm putting down.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Good.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, he probably knew or heard the rumblings that basically
led to him being shipped out of town. But I
think to some degree he's like like every coach that
has an ego, like I can figure out how to
get through his skull that this is how you have
to play the game. Russell just didn't do it. He
just flat out didn't do it. Whether it was it
didn't make sense to him, or it was too difficult,
(28:14):
remember when it wasn't very long.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Maybe I just got to simplify the things.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So I think to some degree it was I'm trying
to give him all this stuff, he's incapable of taking
the information or unwilling to do it, and therefore they
end up going their separate ways.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I think Sean Payton Russell Wilson made Sean Payton look.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Bad, and he took it personally correct. That's what I think.
Eagle couldn't handle it.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, and Russell's ego has been out of control for
a long time. Yeah, and he still isn't understanding hmmm.
He's still to this day he doesn't get it. I mean,
he apparently he's been a really good teammate for the Giants,
and I'll give him credit for that. Uh, but he
still just seems to think that honest goes anybody out.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Here whoa dude.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
That's because he surrounds himself with yes people.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, all right, Coming up next, ABC's at the MS
Sports Radio ninety three p three KRFM, Factor Fiction today
at seven thirty five. We even have a green Jacket
draft today at nine o'clock today. So a lot of
fun things planning for you on this edition of Chuck
and Buck in the Morning's on a homday. But the
abcs of the m's just keep on rolling on. I
know the season has come to a close, but we're
(29:16):
still got baseball on our brain. Let's face it, still
have Mariner's baseball on our brain. And so we will
use the ABCS of the MS our daily guide where
the alphabet guides us through different Mariner topics, and here
we sit at the letter.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Oh, and I'm sorry, Bucky, I'm sorry, Ashley. I have
no choice.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I really have been given no choice, neither by God
or the alphabet LS.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
For the off season.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It has begun, it is underway, and people are already
thinking about it. Hell, the Seattle Times led with it
today on their sports page. There are a lot of
really interesting decisions to be made this off season, and
certainly Josh Naylor seems to be the priority for this team.
But as we discussed in our first second, and I
(30:00):
didn't even mean to jump to it, I think this
organization learned a few valuable lessons this year on maybe
being a little more aggressive and what it takes to
go from playing winning baseball to potentially championship baseball. And
now I can't wait to see that applied to a
full off season. It didn't really happen last offseason. It
didn't happen until the regular season where we started seeing
(30:21):
this organization make some aggressive moves. Let's apply it to
a full off season and see if we can't build
a championship team here. And I'm not just talking about
a division champion yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Well, I can remember talking to John Stanton at spring training,
like off the record and just kind of mentioned something
along the lines of it was right after the Cow
have to sign Cow And that's the second time that
we've seen them sign one of these young guys to
buy them out of arbitration years and get what looks
(30:51):
like a good kind of hometown discount. You get a
little bit of a discount, you pay him earlier, and
you don't have to pay the big time free agent prices.
And I said, you know, if that's why you're not
going out and spending money, big money on big time
free agents that are already established contributors, that would help
the squad, fine, as long as you don't let a
(31:14):
bunch of these youngsters go. You know, you can't just
be the farm system where you develop them. You make
them to where they're major league ready, and then you
let them go play for somebody else once they've proven
that they're good enough to be, you know, a big
leaguer for a career. And he's like, that's exactly what
we're doing. I said, And so to me, it's like
that's kind of their mo But I think they do
(31:36):
need to do like you said, do some stuff that's
a little uncomfortable. Maybe every once in a while, like
a Josh Naylor for example, maybe you got to just
really dip into the coffers a little bit and find
find that money you have it somewhere and do something
that maybe is a little out of the realm of
what your normal blueprint would be.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I think that Logan Gilbert is the candidate for that.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I think that you are also getting into arbitration dollars
for a lot of these pitchers, and that could get
pretty pricey. I think that what you're going to see,
and I've said this for years, is you're going to
see hand selected guys that the organization is going to
do that with, and I think Logan's going to be
one of them. I don't think that they want to
(32:18):
break up he and Cal and I think Logan's maybe
the stronger candidate to accept that team friendlier deal. But
I don't think that Logan and George long term will
be kept. Now you've got one more year with Logan
than you do with George, so I think that you
don't have to worry about the starting rotation. The young
wu Miller, Kirby and Gilbert I would imagine they're all
(32:42):
going to be back next year. I'd be a little
worried about Luis Castillo if you're a big fan of him.
But eventually I think that there will be a decision
made between Logan or George. I don't think you're bringing
both of them. I don't think you're signing them both
long term, which is something we can talk about at
another date. And then eventually I think you're gonna have
to make the same call on woo Versus Miller as well.
(33:02):
But that is still a couple of years away. Ps
for payroll, and that seems to be where everybody goes.
I mean, it was like fifteen seconds after the season
was over, and those that have always complained about the
Mariners payroll, we're back complaining about the Mariners payroll again.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I just have pointed this out in the past, and
I'm going to point it out again.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yes, payroll does give you an advantage in the sport.
Six of the top ten payrolls in Major League Baseball
made the playoffs. Two of the top five are in
the World Series. There's no way to get around it.
Having a bigger payroll gives you an advantage, but it
is not the end all be all. There were six
teams that made the playoffs outside of the top ten payrolls,
(33:44):
so even including three in the bottom ten, including the
team that had the best record in all of Major
League Baseball, the Milwaukee Brewers, who had the twenty third
highest payroll in the entire sport, the Mariners were sitting
at sixteen. We'd all like to see that a little
bit higher, but I would just say that you've got
plenty of examples of teams that just know how to
(34:05):
build a roster and build an organization that are keeping
up with the Joneses in Major League Baseball. So even
though we'd all like to see that climb, the most
important thing is to establish your foundation and to establish
your farm system and to be able to use it
to make your financial decisions and fill in the holes
(34:26):
and the gaps that you have on the roster. And
I think that the organization is doing that really well
right now. Haven't always done it really well, but the
lessons that they've learned this year that can be applied
to this going forward. I'd like to see the payroll
climb a little bit, but it's the foundation that really
is the thing that separates you from everybody else.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, Yeah, the foundation and the foundation solid And there's
a majority of the guys that are on this squad
are going to be back. And yet there's going to
be pay raises. Just even if you don't get Logan
Gilbert to you know, basically commit to something long term
to buy him out of his third year of arbitration,
he is still.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Gonna go up.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I mean, I think the estimate is he's gonna make
like eleven twelve million dollars in arbitration next year. There's
all these guys that him and George Kirby and Bryce Miller,
all of them are gonna be getting raises through arbitrations period.
That's just the way that it's gonna be. And yet
you still have some good contracts with with Cal Rowley
and Huli Rodriguez and Randy rose Arena. And I don't
(35:27):
know if pol uncle come back on the player option
that he has, there's a bunch of there's a bunch
of money. I would be willing to bet he won't,
but hopefully he wants to come back. And and maybe
you're like, all right, not eight million, will you play
for ten million? Maybe he'll do that. We shall see.
But they're gonna they're gonna have to spend some more money.
And then, like I said, I hope they also go
outside of their comfort zone and and tell Naylor, Hey,
(35:49):
we think that you're a big part of this thing,
and we're gonna put our money in our mouth.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
This Greig Bell next Brankley shoes here. Yeah, those were
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