October 23, 2025 • 36 mins
We are starting off the morning with Breaking News out of the NBA as Miami guard, Terry Rozier and Portland Head Coach, Chauncey Billups have both been arrested by the FBI this morning as part of an ongoing illegal gambling investigation. Did the NBA, NFL and MLB allow gambling to get out of control? What’s next? :30- ABCs of the Mariners - Q is for Questionable: there have been some questionable decisions made by Dan Wilson over the season, but none will cause us to second-guess for years like the choice to pull Woo and put in Bazardo. Did the game move too quickly for him? Was it just first-year manager growing pains? How do the Mariners adjust for 2026? :45- Wembanyama isn’t human, he can’t be!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Some time.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Good morning class, ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, behold
in producing six one guard from Brighton, Illanois and former
high school basketball stand up, What in the hell does
that mean?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Don't jumped any conclusions.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Not a god, You've gotta lower lower your expectations.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.
I'm getting some Bucky jacobs and vibes and former I'll
just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped X athlete.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Now there's been a noticeable spike here your blood pressure.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
A five seven guard and a former college water polo
and national champion.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
There's a lot of useless crap up here.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Wow, this is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with
Ashley Ryan. What to you buy to La Loove casino
resort and quill see the Creek Draft King sports book
where the action never stopped.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Hey, good morning to you.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Welcome into the radio program called Chucking Buck in the
Morning Sports Radio ninety three point three k j R F.
M Ashley Ryan is here. My name is Chuck Powell.
We do not have Bucky Jacobson, not today nor tomorrow.
So it's uh, it's Ashley and I with you here
for the next four hours.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
And that is fine, Bummy.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Finally we got Bucky exactly, Finally we can talk about him.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Get everything off our chest here.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
For the next four out want to say about him.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
There's no way that he's going to find out anything
that we say about.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Him on the radio.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
But man, we have been suppressing a lot of pent
up anger and frustration.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
What's with the beard man?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, what's up with just you know, all of the stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
You're just like beard man?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Why is he just that way? Yeah? Right, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
And then like sometimes when he does that thing, I.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Know, dries me up a wall.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I didn't know if you felt this.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
So glad we got to talk.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
About he had four hours to talk like this.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Yeah, and I think that's all we're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Just air a bunch of dirty laundry.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Speaking of dirty laundry, why does he always have dirty laundry?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh my god?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
And he brings it in here clean, just.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Stacks and stacks of it the studio.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Just take it to the dry cleaners or something. Just
take it out of the house and Kate thinks it's clean.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, do that at your home. A home and a
river wash the take.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
A washboard down there, and some so beautiful and then
you can bring a spoon too and play some music.
Uh so, yeah, a lot of that today. Welcome to
the radio show we do. I mean I did have
a certain agenda plan for today, but rarely do we
at six o'clock in the morning have breaking news to
(02:59):
discuss us. And this is some really juicy stuff, yeah,
kind of disturbing stuff quite frankly, that we're going to
start with here this morning, partly because this is very newsworthy,
partly because I don't know when we're going to get
another chance throughout the course of the show today to
kind of chew on this, so we're going to lead
(03:20):
with it here this morning.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
If you are just waking up, and.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I know a lot of you are in the NBA,
I mean two days into the season, for goodness sake,
I mean, this couldn't come at a worse time for
Adam Silver.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I mean, why couldn't we have done this in.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The offseason and maybe we would have had time for
this to die down, but instead, as you're just coming
out of the gates and you're roaring and Victor winmbin
Yama has a game for the Ages last night and
inside the NBA shined last night on the network and
the new television deal Michael Jordan debuts on NBC and
(03:56):
their new package with the NBA. This hat story breaks
here on this Thursday morning as two prominent members of
the NBA, Miami heatguard Terry Rogier and even more prominent
Portland Trailblazers head coach Chauncey Billups, have both been arrested
this morning as part of a pair of investigations related
(04:21):
to illegal gambling. Sources told ESPN's Shams Sharanya. Rogier was
arrested this morning at a hotel in Orlando. His team
just played the magic last night, and Billips was arrested
in Oregon as part of a separate but related illegal
gambling case linked to an illegal poker operation tied to
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the mafia.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Yeah, that's something you want to be involved in.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, this according to ABC News. So, I mean, it's
kind of strange that, if it's not connected, that they
were both arrested on the same day. But obviously the
FBI has been looking into this, and I'm sure in
cooperation with the NBA, but also independently of the NBA.
I'm sure the NBA has been hit kind of between
(05:07):
the eyes. I don't think the FBI has got to
warn them, Hey, this is what we're gonna do. I mean,
if it's if it's an operation that has been ongoing.
Terry Rochier has been in the crosshairs of an investigation now,
I mean for well over a year, so he's been
He's already been investigated for this in the past. They
knew that his hands were dirty to some degree. Obviously,
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whoever was investigating this didn't think that they had enough
information to bring charges that they thought that they could stick.
And it's very clear now, Ashley, that they do feel
like they have enough information if they're busting down doors
and arresting people in the National Basketball Association on gambling
related charges. And I don't think this is this is
(05:52):
just he made a bet with a bookie. No, this
sounds like some really serious stuff that's going down in
the National bat Bsketball Association. And it might not stop
with just those two. Yes, So the NBA has to
be braced here on the third day of operation of
a brand new year, for several names coming out here.
(06:14):
I would assume in the next twenty four to forty
eight hours, so we might be in store for quite
the news story here that's about ready to land in
our laps.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Yeah, the interesting part is that separate but related thing.
I'm very intrigued to find out how these two situations
are related. They are going to be doing a press
conference at seven am our time, and all I heard
this morning too was be prepared to hear a lot
more names that you know.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Oh yeah, that is not good.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
That is not good.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I mean, we do operate in this world as sports
fans that we sort of turn a blind eye to
the possibility of this stuff. I mean we actually we
know that it exists. We know that some people are
probably dabbling. We hope that there is enough of a
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filter out there that if somebody's doing more than dabbling,
that they are exposed at some point, and then we
sort of brace ourselves for the possibility of a story
like this that could make us question what.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
We've been watching for the last few years.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, Tim Donneghee's story existed a few years ago and
it's been a while now, But that's an official who
sort of admitted that, Yeah, some refs are on the take.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You know, Yeah, they're there, you know that we have.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
A little bit of gambling interest out there. And then
they snuffed out Don again. We haven't heard him since then.
We just got back to watching the NBA. But I
don't think it ever truly leaves our brains. Is there's
something fishy going on here. And so when you actually
have to get the FBI involved because the NBA can't
police it themselves, and then they create this kind of
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a story and this kind of a stir and it
really does kind of hit home as sports fans like
like how much of this goes on? Should I be
investing that much in it?
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And truly like you know what have we been.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Watching all of this time? That makes you feel good
about being a.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Sports fan for goodness sake.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So stories like this and look, they make this too
easy and that's the bottom line, the gambling part.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I mean, think about the Terry Rogier story, like here's
here's the background on this, and they've known this since
twenty twenty three that he was in a game playing
for the Charlotte Hornets at the time against the New
Orleans Pelicans and right before the game started, a big
surge of bets came in thirty wagers and forty six
(09:00):
minutes from a professional better totaling thirteen seven hundred and
fifty nine dollars. And it came in on the under
that night for Rochier's points. Yeah, okay, so that.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Was the fight.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And this was back in twenty twenty three. It's twenty
twenty five. This is two and a half years later
that they had to, you know, go around, investigate and
get enough information to make it stick to actually arrest
Terry Rochier. This isn't just the NBA.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Hey, buddy, hold on, something did happen in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, you may have been getting in with the wrong
people and we need to protect you. No, no, no, no,
this is the FBI saying Terry Rogier is the wrong person. Okay,
he's the wrong people. He's part of the wrong people.
And so think about.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
That though, because didn't he get injured or leave the game?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, he left the game faking an injury. I mean
this is what we read into it. Now, long before
he could ever each the points, rebounds, assist totals that
he was going to get for that game. So think
about how easy that is for a player to do.
I mean, and think about how we now, because of this,
at least for the foreseeable future, are going to question
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every single person that leaves a game injured.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Absolutely, And that's why the NBA can't stand in the
way of this, get rid of everybody that is linked
to it.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And I'm not even kidding. No, this is not wrisk
slapping time.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
This is where the NBA has just got to let
the people who do this for a living do what
they gotta do, set an example for everybody else so
that they can convince their fan base that we are
going to run a clean operation. And obviously there are
entities out there that are difficult to control, and we
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can't monitor every single player, every single employee as closely
as we want to and don't want to, and so
these things are going to happen. But when they happen,
when it does get exposed, boy, we aren't gonna just
sit around.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I mean, this is where you come in.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And like Terry Rogier will never play in the NBA again,
Chauncey Phillips will never coach in the NBA again, and
whoever else comes out on this list, and I don't
care how good a player they are either.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I mean, baseball had.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
To do it once upon a time with shoeless Joe Jackson,
and that was as good a player as they had
in Major League Baseball at that time. And this is
where you just come in and you've got to swing
heavy acts here and just cut all of these people
from your league so that you can assure the rest
of your fan base that we've cut it out, we've
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cut the cancer out, and we've sent such a strong
message that you don't have to worry anymore about what
you're watching and whether it's on the up and up,
because nobody is gonna make that same mistake knowing what
the consequences are.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah. No, and I agree.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
I mean, it's not like these guys were sitting around
playing in little poker games in the locker room before
a game. We're doing something after a game with their teammates,
like something. You know, Chuncy Phillips was doing something involved
with the Mafia, and then somehow that is related to
whatever Terry Rozier was doing, and you would assume then
something with sports betting and probably the Mafia involved. I
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don't know, but this isn't like some small time thing
that these guys were just sitting around, you know, making
bets with each other.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Yeah, this isn't like an office pool, right exactly, Like
this is some serious you know what, and it's just
to have it coming out this morning, and just you know,
there's limited information.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
I'm gonna be very intrigued to hear what the what
the FBI has to say.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I think we yeah, I think we all are intrigued.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And who else is gonna get listed in all of
this and what other names are going to be joined?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
But honestly, like we.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Have opened this thing up so broad, why is there
even the ability to bet on Terry Rogier's assists for
that night? Why is there even that ability out there?
And look, I'm not sure trying to squash.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You know, daily the daily wager? Yeah, I mean, I don't.
It doesn't affect me, It doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It obviously increases people's interests in sports, which is why
the NBA and now even Major League Baseball and everybody
is embracing this because it does create interest. It does
create a completely different type of fan base. And man,
people can put a five dollars wager down on whether
show a Otani is gonna have more than one and
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a half total bases tonight and they're gonna go watch
that game. Yeah, They're gonna watch all three hours of
that game, or at least until Otani hits a double
yeah and gets them their payday. And so, you know,
just like we do. I always joke about with fantasy football.
I mean, we have Thursday Night Football because the NFL
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knows fantasy football players if they have the kicker going tonight,
which by the way, I do, Yes, if you have
the kicker going tonight, that they're people are going to
watch that wouldn't normally watch for three hours to see
if Will Reiker can kick three field goals tonight for
them and help them win in their fantasy league. So
so I'm not I'm not trying to like squash the
(14:16):
daily prop bets businesses that have popped up. I just
think that maybe maybe we need to stop making so
many of them. Yeah, I mean, well, because you're making
it so easy for players to do it.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I mean, who's even gonna blink?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And I if Terry Rochier finishes the game with two
assists or three assists, maybe you're not even gonna notice
if he didn't deliver that pass. To the wide open
teammate under the basket because he knew what his prop
bet was and so he's just gonna dribble out the
clock and oh man, I didn't see you, and just
play it off that way.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
It is, it is.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
It just is a minefield out there that we've created
to make it so easy for individual players to perhaps
kick a bet. Somewhere along the line, I think maybe
we need to curb that.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Well, no, I would agree.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
I mean it's interesting because we'll look, you know, to
make our picks and bets for factor fiction, and you
have to scroll through ninety five prop bets at times
of individual things. It's like there's so much more involved
in a game to bet on than just the score.
I mean, isn't necessary.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It is not, It isn't necessary.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
And the fact that we've let it go to that
specific that you could even bet on Terry Rochier's assists, Yeah,
I mean that is something to me that the NBA
should separate itself from. Yeah, Like, I'm not saying don't
have daily prop bet services and companies. What I'm saying
is the NBA, Major League Baseball, the NFL, they should
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all get together because they all have to work hand
in hand and say we're going either trim down what
you make available to a far less, far less extent,
or we're going to separate ourselves from you. I mean,
you control what what they do. You know, DraftKings, you,
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if you're the NBA, the NFL, Major League Baseball, and
you work hand in hand, you own them. They depend
on you, so you can call the shots. And so
if you could just reduce it, but if you all yeah,
if you go, oh, I mean one of them goes in.
But if all of them go and forget about it,
they wouldn't have any choice. But look how easy we
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make it. And then you have these offshore betting places.
I mean, we talk about it all the time, but
and and we sort of say it jokingly, but honestly,
what is keeping the third cousin from Bad Bunny from
finding out what the stop set is for his half
time show and placing everything that they own on how
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long the set will last, or which song will be
played first, or which song will be played seven?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
This is how specific that we've gotten with this.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Or how long the national anthem will be?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, I mean, how honestly, like you didn't think that
this was going to be taken advantage of. You didn't
think that individual players, even head coaches, weren't going to
take advantage of easy money. And that's what we've created.
And so I'm not saying get rid of any of
those things. I'm saying there are enough daily prop bets
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that you don't need to post. How many assists Terry
Rogier is going to have in the first half.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
We should never be able to gamble on that. Ever,
be able to gamble on that. Now, do you want
to bet that is Wimby going to score twenty five
points or more tonight?
Speaker 6 (17:52):
That's fine, Yeah, exactly if it's something that's yeah, I
think that would show the success.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But every individual player, on every individual roster that gets
any amount of significant playing time that has a gambling
number attributed to them that night, and you think you're
going to be able to monitor all of that and
not have suspicious activity pop up. That's insane and so
shame on the NBA forever allowing it to happen, Shame
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on the NFL forever allowing to happen. And I don't
care if we find out tonight that it's you know,
Djokich who I love is the main culprit in all
of it and runs the entire operation and goes to
prison for the rest of his life. Shame on the
shame on our leagues for letting this get out of control.
And so I hope it is a giant mess tonight.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I hope that it turns into a major story where
major players are are called out for it and that
and now our leagues can start putting their arms around
this and fix it, because this story is going to
make us question every single injury going forward in every
single sport for a while, for a little while, not forever.
(19:02):
We'll get over it because we love sports too much.
But this is gonna make us question everything. And so
the NBA has just got to let the FBI.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Do its thing.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
You need to put a red letter on every single
person that's involved in it and get them out of
the sport.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
That's what has to happen today.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Well, yeah, exactly. And I mean as a coach, to
think about what you could do. If there's you could
put a player on maintenance, right who is expected to
get over under a certain point, you could I mean,
there's so many things that are involved in it easy.
It is a fake, a foot injury, exactly, all of it,
like it's just your Your whole entire league is going
to be questioned if you don't take this absolutely seriously.
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And luckily right now the FBI is involved, so it's
impossible to not take it.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
That's right, that's.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Right, And so I'm sure Adam Silver's brace for some
really hard times here going forward, but this could be
a good thing. Let it happen, yep. And then this
sets an example for everybody else in the league and
for a while, I don't think you'll have to worry
about it. But it also will give you a chance
to assess why are we letting this happen? To begin with,
we are partner, We have advertisers, you know, DraftKings depends
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on the NBA, not the way other way around, and
so we should be able to control what they make
available to bed On going forward.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
All right, let's find out what's on tap for the
rest of the show.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
What's on TEP?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
What's on TEP?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Oh, my gosh, did Wemby dominate last night? There's no
faking that. Forty points, fifteen rebounds, three block shots and
no turnovers. It's only I think the sixth time it's
happened in NBA history that that stat line has been
put up. Unbelievable. We'll talk about it a little bit
later on this hour. Cracking are going to be at
Winnipeg five pm. They're going to drop the puck on
that one. So Cracking versus Winnipeg five pm tonight as
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the Crack and continue their road trip.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
They could use a win tonight.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Sounders will be starting their playoffs Monday against Minnesota United.
That match will start at six o'clock. We'll have time
to talk about it tomorrow and Friday. Here on the
next Monday on the radio program Thursday Night Football. Tonight,
it'll be the Vikings at the Chargers. Mike Sando will
join us today at nine to thirty. Jayden Daniels is
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out this weekend for the Washington Commanders. Lamar Jackson practiced
yesterday so he might be in this weekend for the
Baltimore Ravens and it might affect my factor. Fiction pick
today at seven thirty five, so we'll do that at
seven thirty five. Seahawks are on buy, but we haven't
had a twelve man roundtable in three weeks, so we
are going to unite Greg Bell and Hugh Millan again
(21:33):
today from eight to nine, and we will discuss the
Seahawks and everything that we haven't discussed the last couple
of weeks. Husky's in action Saturday at home against Illinois.
Softy joins us today at seven oh five to discuss it,
and of course everyone still has Mariners on the brain,
so we will have several segments today trying to make
(21:54):
sense of everything with the Seattle Mariners organization, including the
ABC's of the MS, which are going to come your
way next on Chuck and Buck Sports Radio ninety three
point three KJRFM. Good because there are a couple of
things that I kind of want to get off my
chest about the Mariners, and he has just gotten in
the way.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Of that the last couple of days.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
So the ABC's of the MS will allow us to
talk freely here you and I Ashley with our listening
audience here today. And Q is four questionable, which I
do think at the very minimum, Dan Wilson had some
questionable calls, not just during the playoffs, not just in
Game seven, but throughout the course of the season. But
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every manager does, there's no doubt about it. And I
would just say this, you know, because Bucky's had Dan's
back all season long, postseason, even yesterday. Now, he did
say that he would have kept Brian Who over Bizardo.
But Bucky's point was he didn't have a problem with
Bizardo getting the call in that situation where a lot
of people did. And I really I not only respect
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Bucky's opinion, but I also respect that he's sticking to
his guns on even though everybody's saying. I remember when
Mark James started and he went in immediately on Geno Smith,
not realizing that really none of us at KJR were
sold on Geno Smith. We were all lukewarm at best
on Geno Smith. Mark thought he had a really original
(23:17):
take and he didn't. But I remember Christopher Kidd was
on Gino Smith, and I pulled Kid aside as the
veteran of this business, and I said, hey, I don't
agree with your take on Gino, but I'm glad that
you have your take on Geno, and I think you
need to support it because there are a lot of
Geno supporters out there and they want to have their
(23:37):
side of the story heard, and there aren't any here
at the station. Any guys that really like Geno. So
if you like it, don't make it up. No, I
don't want you to pretend just to be on the
other side of things. But hold your ground because it's
going to make you stand out. So I kind of
feel the same way about Bucky. Everybody's kind of bagging
on Dan, and Bucky continues to defend Dan. I think
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he wouldn't as far as saying he thought Dan had
an excellent year this year.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I never did. I never did.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I thought when we did our letter grades at the
end of the year, I think I gave him a
C minus when we started our when we did our
ranking how confident we were at certain areas. Of the Mariners,
that was the least confident, I think I gave him
a three on a scale from one to ten. I
felt that he was a little bit outmatched by aj
Hinch and the Tiger series, even though it was aj
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Hinch's managerial decision that might have cost the Tigers beating
us and John Schneider I thought made some gaffes in
our series as well. So I don't think that Dan
had a terrible postseason. I don't think that the decisions
that he made. I think that the last one, the
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one that we're talking about the most, was the most
questionable one of the entire time. But I do understand
that there's merits to all of the decisions that he made,
and there were reasons behind all of them. I would
have done a lot of things differently, especially with the
pitching decisions that were made throughout the postseason, including right
from jump. That was not the starting rotation that I
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would have used against the Tigers when you had a
week off to set your rotation.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So there is a lot I question.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I think there is a lot questionable, and I think
that going into this offseason, I don't think it's out
of the question that we might have a new manager
at the beginning of next year.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Actually, one of.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
The things that I think Dan Wilson said, if I'm
going to take this job, I'm not going to be
micro managed.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'm going to make the decisions.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
And they just tabbed Dan as somebody that was a
great candidate any for being a manager, great temperament, already
had the respect of the players, bright guy always we're
going to have the players backs, which he did all
season long. Was going to be able to create a
good environment in the clubhouse, which I think he did.
I think a manager more manages the players and their
(25:58):
personalities more so, and he does make an impact with
game decisions. And I think Dan was probably good at
all of those manager things. But his game decisions I
thought were questionable all season long. So did a lot
of people. And I was worried Ashley that when he
got to the postseason that it could end up being
a problem, and I do now that I get further
(26:20):
and further away from it, I feel like it was
a bigger problem the more I think about it, and
certainly the decision to go to Bizarre to we're going
to debate for years.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Oh yeah, it's going to be.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
I mean, it's the last memory we're left with really,
as we were so close to the World Series to
think about, like what could have been if you would
have left in brian Wu.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Does that happen?
Speaker 6 (26:39):
But and that's normal I think for any sports fan.
I had a lot of questions. But then I also
have kind of taken it back and thought to myself, well,
if you left in brian Wu and he gives up
that home run, your question for leaving in brian Wu?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, he's yeah, you're gonna get question either no matter.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
What you do right.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
And it is interesting because you said, you know, nowadays
the the manager is really you're more about the players
and the personalities and the things like that and not
the game decision. So then I wonder how many of
those questionable game decisions were actually Dan Wilson decisions or
part of the plan that the team had come up with.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Well, to me, that was the problem.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I think they had a strategy, and I think that
Dan didn't adjust to the situation in a pivotal game. Yeah,
he never managed the game seven before. I think he
had a fine strategy, which we've discussed numerous times. I
think he was planning on going George Kirby two times
through the lineup. If he got in any trouble, I'm
going to Gabe Spier to get him out, because relief
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pitchers are used to coming in with guys on base.
Then I think he was going to go for Brian
wu for one time through the lineup, and if he
was on a roll, he was going to stick with
him for three full innings, and if not, he had
Bizardo to back him up, and that's who he was
going to bring up because Bizardo's been good with guys
in scoring position or on base when he inherited runners.
(27:57):
And then I think he was going to go Munnos
for two full innings as he was well rested, and if.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
He got in any trouble. Matt Brash is.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
The guy that has closed out games. He's the only
other one. Yeah, so we're gonna go to Matt Brash
in that situation if Munjos gets into trouble. I think
that was the strategy, and I think that's a fine strategy.
I think that's a really interesting strategy. But part of
being a manager is things happen in a game. The
timing is off, and you got to make decisions.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
We can't call Jerry and Justin and say, what do
the analytics tell us?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, you got to be two three steps ahead of
this sucker. And when you saw Springer and Guerrero do
up fourth and sixth, yeah, and that seventh inning, and
it never crossed your mind to get at least two
guys up in the pen and maybe your best reliever,
you're all star reliever up because this might be the
last time we have to face these two guys, and
(28:49):
they're the only two guys that we truly fear in
the lineup. How you don't have your best available to
go at their best for one final time in the series.
I can find somebody else to close out a game
against the bottom.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Of the order.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yeah, but I mean you had Castillo and Miller available to.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You had Castillo and Miller available to Randy Johnson once
closed out a World Series getting.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
A save for the Diamondbacks for goodness sake.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
So to me, that's the thing that I think was
the problem with Dan all season long, all postseason long,
and certainly in the most important moment, the elimination moment
in essence of the season is I think that the
game moved too fast for him. And sometimes you can
make up for that. Joe Tory was not a great
X AS and Os guy.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
He just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
But he was a master at managing player personalities, getting
the most out of individual players. My goodness, he turned
Felix Jose into an All Star back in his days
in Saint Louis. And you don't know that reference that
you out there listening, but trust me, that's a miracle.
And so but man, when he got to the Yankees,
(29:51):
he had Don Zimmer, smart, little Yoda don Zimmer sitting
next to him the entire time. Don didn't have the
chops to be a manager. He didn't want to deal
with the media, he didn't want to deal with the personalities.
He just wanted to be the fun, loving to But
when it came to game decisions, he had Yoda sitting
next to him telling him, all right, you know, being
two three steps ahead. So maybe it's not a situation
(30:13):
where Dan needs to be micro managed. We've seen Jerry
and Justin do it in the past. I don't think
they're very good at it. But maybe he needs a
better right hand man. Maybe maybe we need a don Zimmer,
somebody that's been there, done that before that maybe doesn't
want to deal with the media every day, but can
sit there next to Dan and tell him, all right,
this is coming up.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Yeah, we got to think about this.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
We got to think about this. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
And and really maybe that's the solution to it, because Dan,
after winning a division probably shouldn't be fired. But I
don't want to go through this again next postseason. I
don't want a manager that's slow on the draw next postseason.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
No, And I do think that our hope, I guess
I do.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Hope that a lot of that had to do with
the fact that he's a first year manager and you know,
you're adjusting your learning things as you go, and especially
in playoffs. I mean, you've not not been there, so
how are you going to know?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Necessarily?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
But they I think the organization could have been better
prepared for that to have him assisted in that situation.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I mean, I don't want to say this because I
just really liked the guy a lot, But Manny Acta
was supposed to be that guy. What has Manny act
approved as a manager in postseason baseball?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
He might not be the right guy.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Yeah, So I'm not in the right position there maybe.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah. So anyway, it's going to be debated for a
long time. We're gonna talk more about it a little
bit later on in the show today because Bucky's not
here and it really gives me freedom.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
All right, coming up next. Man, it was a.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Game for the ages, and it happened on day number
two of the NBA season. Sports Radio ninety three point
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Speaker 3 (31:57):
Like Clint against your dad in this driveway when you're
eight years old, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Unicorn really doesn't sit down and watch sports with me anymore,
but she, for whatever, we went out to dinner last night,
so maybe she fell close to me. So she sat
down and watched a little bit of this last night,
and she was like, what am I seeing?
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
What is going on out here?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I why does he look so great and yet so
awkward at the same time.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Yeah, he's like one of those like things outside of
car dealership.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah. Yeah. And then finally she goes, how tall is he?
I go seven five yeah, and she goes, that now
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You couldn't tell that he was like monstrously taller than
everybody else, like the two of everyone else. And then
he has twice the arm length of everybody else, and
yet he handles the ball like a point guard all
of a sudden, and he doesn't have to jump to
do a reverse dunk.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
And then on top of it, he's obviously developed some skill.
Victor Woman put the league on blast yesterday. He's put
on some weight. Apparently he's grown an inch.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
In the offseason.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Crazy, and he looked unstoppable last night. That was against
two of the best big men defenders in the entire sport,
and he still scored forty points, fifteen rebounds, three block
shots and did not turn.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
The ball over. That's the night that Victor winbin Yama
had left.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
I think the no turnovers is the crazy part, because
being seven to five and having those long arms, you
would think there's going to be some awkward moments, and
he doesn't seem to have them. And he makes every
other NBA player who are all huge, look like normal
sized people.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
And he was handling the ball so much more than
we were. I mean, he was going between the legs,
he was doing crossover dribbles, he was starting the offense
from the top of the key and driving into the
lane and still didn't boot a single ball off of
his thirty foot shoes and.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
His bony ass long knees.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I it, it's crazy the game that he had, and
it would be one thing for the NBA to celebrate
last night if not for today's story. So inside, the
NBA also debuted last night. They were on their game.
I mean they were so excited about being in a
different not even a different studio because it's the same studio.
(34:18):
Like they joked about how everything is the same. Nothing's
really changed, but you could tell they were ramped up
a little bit. They were talking over each other more.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Than what they normally do.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
But as the night settled in, Man, that's the best
Kenny Smith's ever been. He was actually hilarious last night. Wow,
they all were. And so a great, great evening for
the NBA. And I am curious, Ashley with in light
of this news that broke this morning about a now
a gambling scandal that's leading to the arrests of players
and head coaches. Here this morning in the inside the NBA,
(34:54):
even though TNT had a broadcast deal, what made them
must watch is that they never held back. They never
pulled any punches. That is the opposite of the way
ESPN operates. So now that inside the NBA's married to them,
I'm curious to see if they put shackles on them
tonight or if they just let them rip.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
I mean, I think I will say, as much as
ESPN does like to tame its people and tell people,
you know, we don't want this, they've got Pat McAfee
on there now and he's not really tell Steve Smith
Steven A.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Smith.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Yeah, So I would say I they'd be I would
hope not because they'd be doing themselves a massive disservice
because I think so many people are going to be
tuning in tonight just here.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Yeah what those guys have to say?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I mean there are examples of guys that get to
kind of shoot from the hip, There's no question about it.
But yeah, when you're are you are they going to
allow them to shoot from the hip against somebody they
just got a brand new television deal with and that
they are heavily invested in.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
It's a great question. Is Adam Silver.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Gonna call and say, Hey, tell those guys to be
easy on me tonight. I don't know if today's the
day to be easy on the end in light of
this controversy and this scandal that's that's coming out. So
we'll see how it unfolds. But man, that might have
been it, Adam. Thatdam might have been your golden moment
last night.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Congratulations, soak it in.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Wimby.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yep, he's as good as you think he is. And yes,
the inside the NBA guys are still hilarious.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Now get ready for the we.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Got We got a text that was like, the NBA
needs a distraction. How about expansion.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, there you go, there you go. That's perfect, all right.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Coming up next, Softie's gonna join us. Yeah, we're gonna
talk some Huskies. But I have a feeling that Softie
still only has one thing on his mind. Sports Radio
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that mean?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Don't jumped any conclusions.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Not a god, You've gotta lower lower your expectations.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.
I'm getting some Bucky jacobs and vibes and former I'll
just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped X athlete.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Now there's been a noticeable spike here your blood pressure.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
A five seven guard and a former college water polo
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There's a lot of useless crap up here.
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Speaker 3 (01:09):
Hey, good morning to you.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Welcome into the radio program called Chucking Buck in the
Morning Sports Radio ninety three point three k j R F.
M Ashley Ryan is here. My name is Chuck Powell.
We do not have Bucky Jacobson, not today nor tomorrow.
So it's uh, it's Ashley and I with you here
for the next four hours.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
And that is fine, Bummy.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Finally we got Bucky exactly, Finally we can talk about him.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Get everything off our chest here.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
For the next four out want to say about him.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
There's no way that he's going to find out anything
that we say about.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Him on the radio.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
But man, we have been suppressing a lot of pent
up anger and frustration.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
What's with the beard man?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, what's up with just you know, all of the stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
You're just like beard man?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Why is he just that way? Yeah? Right, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
And then like sometimes when he does that thing, I.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Know, dries me up a wall.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I didn't know if you felt this.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
So glad we got to talk.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
About he had four hours to talk like this.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Yeah, and I think that's all we're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Just air a bunch of dirty laundry.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Speaking of dirty laundry, why does he always have dirty laundry?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh my god?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
And he brings it in here clean, just.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Stacks and stacks of it the studio.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Just take it to the dry cleaners or something. Just
take it out of the house and Kate thinks it's clean.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, do that at your home. A home and a
river wash the take.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
A washboard down there, and some so beautiful and then
you can bring a spoon too and play some music.
Uh so, yeah, a lot of that today. Welcome to
the radio show we do. I mean I did have
a certain agenda plan for today, but rarely do we
at six o'clock in the morning have breaking news to
(02:59):
discuss us. And this is some really juicy stuff, yeah,
kind of disturbing stuff quite frankly, that we're going to
start with here this morning, partly because this is very newsworthy,
partly because I don't know when we're going to get
another chance throughout the course of the show today to
kind of chew on this, so we're going to lead
(03:20):
with it here this morning.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
If you are just waking up, and.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I know a lot of you are in the NBA,
I mean two days into the season, for goodness sake,
I mean, this couldn't come at a worse time for
Adam Silver.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I mean, why couldn't we have done this in.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The offseason and maybe we would have had time for
this to die down, but instead, as you're just coming
out of the gates and you're roaring and Victor winmbin
Yama has a game for the Ages last night and
inside the NBA shined last night on the network and
the new television deal Michael Jordan debuts on NBC and
(03:56):
their new package with the NBA. This hat story breaks
here on this Thursday morning as two prominent members of
the NBA, Miami heatguard Terry Rogier and even more prominent
Portland Trailblazers head coach Chauncey Billups, have both been arrested
this morning as part of a pair of investigations related
(04:21):
to illegal gambling. Sources told ESPN's Shams Sharanya. Rogier was
arrested this morning at a hotel in Orlando. His team
just played the magic last night, and Billips was arrested
in Oregon as part of a separate but related illegal
gambling case linked to an illegal poker operation tied to
(04:43):
the mafia.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Yeah, that's something you want to be involved in.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, this according to ABC News. So, I mean, it's
kind of strange that, if it's not connected, that they
were both arrested on the same day. But obviously the
FBI has been looking into this, and I'm sure in
cooperation with the NBA, but also independently of the NBA.
I'm sure the NBA has been hit kind of between
(05:07):
the eyes. I don't think the FBI has got to
warn them, Hey, this is what we're gonna do. I mean,
if it's if it's an operation that has been ongoing.
Terry Rochier has been in the crosshairs of an investigation now,
I mean for well over a year, so he's been
He's already been investigated for this in the past. They
knew that his hands were dirty to some degree. Obviously,
(05:28):
whoever was investigating this didn't think that they had enough
information to bring charges that they thought that they could stick.
And it's very clear now, Ashley, that they do feel
like they have enough information if they're busting down doors
and arresting people in the National Basketball Association on gambling
related charges. And I don't think this is this is
(05:52):
just he made a bet with a bookie. No, this
sounds like some really serious stuff that's going down in
the National bat Bsketball Association. And it might not stop
with just those two. Yes, So the NBA has to
be braced here on the third day of operation of
a brand new year, for several names coming out here.
(06:14):
I would assume in the next twenty four to forty
eight hours, so we might be in store for quite
the news story here that's about ready to land in
our laps.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Yeah, the interesting part is that separate but related thing.
I'm very intrigued to find out how these two situations
are related. They are going to be doing a press
conference at seven am our time, and all I heard
this morning too was be prepared to hear a lot
more names that you know.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Oh yeah, that is not good.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
That is not good.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I mean, we do operate in this world as sports
fans that we sort of turn a blind eye to
the possibility of this stuff. I mean we actually we
know that it exists. We know that some people are
probably dabbling. We hope that there is enough of a
(07:06):
filter out there that if somebody's doing more than dabbling,
that they are exposed at some point, and then we
sort of brace ourselves for the possibility of a story
like this that could make us question what.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
We've been watching for the last few years.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, Tim Donneghee's story existed a few years ago and
it's been a while now, But that's an official who
sort of admitted that, Yeah, some refs are on the take.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
You know, Yeah, they're there, you know that we have.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
A little bit of gambling interest out there. And then
they snuffed out Don again. We haven't heard him since then.
We just got back to watching the NBA. But I
don't think it ever truly leaves our brains. Is there's
something fishy going on here. And so when you actually
have to get the FBI involved because the NBA can't
police it themselves, and then they create this kind of
(08:00):
a story and this kind of a stir and it
really does kind of hit home as sports fans like
like how much of this goes on? Should I be
investing that much in it?
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And truly like you know what have we been.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Watching all of this time? That makes you feel good
about being a.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Sports fan for goodness sake.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So stories like this and look, they make this too
easy and that's the bottom line, the gambling part.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I mean, think about the Terry Rogier story, like here's
here's the background on this, and they've known this since
twenty twenty three that he was in a game playing
for the Charlotte Hornets at the time against the New
Orleans Pelicans and right before the game started, a big
surge of bets came in thirty wagers and forty six
(09:00):
minutes from a professional better totaling thirteen seven hundred and
fifty nine dollars. And it came in on the under
that night for Rochier's points. Yeah, okay, so that.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Was the fight.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And this was back in twenty twenty three. It's twenty
twenty five. This is two and a half years later
that they had to, you know, go around, investigate and
get enough information to make it stick to actually arrest
Terry Rochier. This isn't just the NBA.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Hey, buddy, hold on, something did happen in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, you may have been getting in with the wrong
people and we need to protect you. No, no, no, no,
this is the FBI saying Terry Rogier is the wrong person. Okay,
he's the wrong people. He's part of the wrong people.
And so think about.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
That though, because didn't he get injured or leave the game?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, he left the game faking an injury. I mean
this is what we read into it. Now, long before
he could ever each the points, rebounds, assist totals that
he was going to get for that game. So think
about how easy that is for a player to do.
I mean, and think about how we now, because of this,
at least for the foreseeable future, are going to question
(10:13):
every single person that leaves a game injured.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Absolutely, And that's why the NBA can't stand in the
way of this, get rid of everybody that is linked
to it.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And I'm not even kidding. No, this is not wrisk
slapping time.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
This is where the NBA has just got to let
the people who do this for a living do what
they gotta do, set an example for everybody else so
that they can convince their fan base that we are
going to run a clean operation. And obviously there are
entities out there that are difficult to control, and we
(10:51):
can't monitor every single player, every single employee as closely
as we want to and don't want to, and so
these things are going to happen. But when they happen,
when it does get exposed, boy, we aren't gonna just
sit around.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I mean, this is where you come in.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And like Terry Rogier will never play in the NBA again,
Chauncey Phillips will never coach in the NBA again, and
whoever else comes out on this list, and I don't
care how good a player they are either.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
I mean, baseball had.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
To do it once upon a time with shoeless Joe Jackson,
and that was as good a player as they had
in Major League Baseball at that time. And this is
where you just come in and you've got to swing
heavy acts here and just cut all of these people
from your league so that you can assure the rest
of your fan base that we've cut it out, we've
(11:40):
cut the cancer out, and we've sent such a strong
message that you don't have to worry anymore about what
you're watching and whether it's on the up and up,
because nobody is gonna make that same mistake knowing what
the consequences are.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah. No, and I agree.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
I mean, it's not like these guys were sitting around
playing in little poker games in the locker room before
a game. We're doing something after a game with their teammates,
like something. You know, Chuncy Phillips was doing something involved
with the Mafia, and then somehow that is related to
whatever Terry Rozier was doing, and you would assume then
something with sports betting and probably the Mafia involved. I
(12:15):
don't know, but this isn't like some small time thing
that these guys were just sitting around, you know, making
bets with each other.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Yeah, this isn't like an office pool, right exactly, Like
this is some serious you know what, and it's just
to have it coming out this morning, and just you know,
there's limited information.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
I'm gonna be very intrigued to hear what the what
the FBI has to say.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I think we yeah, I think we all are intrigued.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And who else is gonna get listed in all of
this and what other names are going to be joined?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
But honestly, like we.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Have opened this thing up so broad, why is there
even the ability to bet on Terry Rogier's assists for
that night? Why is there even that ability out there?
And look, I'm not sure trying to squash.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You know, daily the daily wager? Yeah, I mean, I don't.
It doesn't affect me, It doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It obviously increases people's interests in sports, which is why
the NBA and now even Major League Baseball and everybody
is embracing this because it does create interest. It does
create a completely different type of fan base. And man,
people can put a five dollars wager down on whether
show a Otani is gonna have more than one and
(13:30):
a half total bases tonight and they're gonna go watch
that game. Yeah, They're gonna watch all three hours of
that game, or at least until Otani hits a double
yeah and gets them their payday. And so, you know,
just like we do. I always joke about with fantasy football.
I mean, we have Thursday Night Football because the NFL
(13:51):
knows fantasy football players if they have the kicker going tonight,
which by the way, I do, Yes, if you have
the kicker going tonight, that they're people are going to
watch that wouldn't normally watch for three hours to see
if Will Reiker can kick three field goals tonight for
them and help them win in their fantasy league. So
so I'm not I'm not trying to like squash the
(14:16):
daily prop bets businesses that have popped up. I just
think that maybe maybe we need to stop making so
many of them. Yeah, I mean, well, because you're making
it so easy for players to do it.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I mean, who's even gonna blink?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And I if Terry Rochier finishes the game with two
assists or three assists, maybe you're not even gonna notice
if he didn't deliver that pass. To the wide open
teammate under the basket because he knew what his prop
bet was and so he's just gonna dribble out the
clock and oh man, I didn't see you, and just
play it off that way.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
It is, it is.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
It just is a minefield out there that we've created
to make it so easy for individual players to perhaps
kick a bet. Somewhere along the line, I think maybe
we need to curb that.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Well, no, I would agree.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
I mean it's interesting because we'll look, you know, to
make our picks and bets for factor fiction, and you
have to scroll through ninety five prop bets at times
of individual things. It's like there's so much more involved
in a game to bet on than just the score.
I mean, isn't necessary.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It is not, It isn't necessary.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
And the fact that we've let it go to that
specific that you could even bet on Terry Rochier's assists, Yeah,
I mean that is something to me that the NBA
should separate itself from. Yeah, Like, I'm not saying don't
have daily prop bet services and companies. What I'm saying
is the NBA, Major League Baseball, the NFL, they should
(15:54):
all get together because they all have to work hand
in hand and say we're going either trim down what
you make available to a far less, far less extent,
or we're going to separate ourselves from you. I mean,
you control what what they do. You know, DraftKings, you,
(16:16):
if you're the NBA, the NFL, Major League Baseball, and
you work hand in hand, you own them. They depend
on you, so you can call the shots. And so
if you could just reduce it, but if you all yeah,
if you go, oh, I mean one of them goes in.
But if all of them go and forget about it,
they wouldn't have any choice. But look how easy we
(16:40):
make it. And then you have these offshore betting places.
I mean, we talk about it all the time, but
and and we sort of say it jokingly, but honestly,
what is keeping the third cousin from Bad Bunny from
finding out what the stop set is for his half
time show and placing everything that they own on how
(17:06):
long the set will last, or which song will be
played first, or which song will be played seven?
Speaker 3 (17:12):
This is how specific that we've gotten with this.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Or how long the national anthem will be?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, I mean, how honestly, like you didn't think that
this was going to be taken advantage of. You didn't
think that individual players, even head coaches, weren't going to
take advantage of easy money. And that's what we've created.
And so I'm not saying get rid of any of
those things. I'm saying there are enough daily prop bets
(17:38):
that you don't need to post. How many assists Terry
Rogier is going to have in the first half.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
We should never be able to gamble on that. Ever,
be able to gamble on that. Now, do you want
to bet that is Wimby going to score twenty five
points or more tonight?
Speaker 6 (17:52):
That's fine, Yeah, exactly if it's something that's yeah, I
think that would show the success.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But every individual player, on every individual roster that gets
any amount of significant playing time that has a gambling
number attributed to them that night, and you think you're
going to be able to monitor all of that and
not have suspicious activity pop up. That's insane and so
shame on the NBA forever allowing it to happen, Shame
(18:18):
on the NFL forever allowing to happen. And I don't
care if we find out tonight that it's you know,
Djokich who I love is the main culprit in all
of it and runs the entire operation and goes to
prison for the rest of his life. Shame on the
shame on our leagues for letting this get out of control.
And so I hope it is a giant mess tonight.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I hope that it turns into a major story where
major players are are called out for it and that
and now our leagues can start putting their arms around
this and fix it, because this story is going to
make us question every single injury going forward in every
single sport for a while, for a little while, not forever.
(19:02):
We'll get over it because we love sports too much.
But this is gonna make us question everything. And so
the NBA has just got to let the FBI.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Do its thing.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
You need to put a red letter on every single
person that's involved in it and get them out of
the sport.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
That's what has to happen today.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Well, yeah, exactly. And I mean as a coach, to
think about what you could do. If there's you could
put a player on maintenance, right who is expected to
get over under a certain point, you could I mean,
there's so many things that are involved in it easy.
It is a fake, a foot injury, exactly, all of it,
like it's just your Your whole entire league is going
to be questioned if you don't take this absolutely seriously.
(19:39):
And luckily right now the FBI is involved, so it's
impossible to not take it.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
That's right, that's.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Right, And so I'm sure Adam Silver's brace for some
really hard times here going forward, but this could be
a good thing. Let it happen, yep. And then this
sets an example for everybody else in the league and
for a while, I don't think you'll have to worry
about it. But it also will give you a chance
to assess why are we letting this happen? To begin with,
we are partner, We have advertisers, you know, DraftKings depends
(20:06):
on the NBA, not the way other way around, and
so we should be able to control what they make
available to bed On going forward.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
All right, let's find out what's on tap for the
rest of the show.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
What's on TEP?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
What's on TEP?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Oh, my gosh, did Wemby dominate last night? There's no
faking that. Forty points, fifteen rebounds, three block shots and
no turnovers. It's only I think the sixth time it's
happened in NBA history that that stat line has been
put up. Unbelievable. We'll talk about it a little bit
later on this hour. Cracking are going to be at
Winnipeg five pm. They're going to drop the puck on
that one. So Cracking versus Winnipeg five pm tonight as
(20:47):
the Crack and continue their road trip.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
They could use a win tonight.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Sounders will be starting their playoffs Monday against Minnesota United.
That match will start at six o'clock. We'll have time
to talk about it tomorrow and Friday. Here on the
next Monday on the radio program Thursday Night Football. Tonight,
it'll be the Vikings at the Chargers. Mike Sando will
join us today at nine to thirty. Jayden Daniels is
(21:11):
out this weekend for the Washington Commanders. Lamar Jackson practiced
yesterday so he might be in this weekend for the
Baltimore Ravens and it might affect my factor. Fiction pick
today at seven thirty five, so we'll do that at
seven thirty five. Seahawks are on buy, but we haven't
had a twelve man roundtable in three weeks, so we
are going to unite Greg Bell and Hugh Millan again
(21:33):
today from eight to nine, and we will discuss the
Seahawks and everything that we haven't discussed the last couple
of weeks. Husky's in action Saturday at home against Illinois.
Softy joins us today at seven oh five to discuss it,
and of course everyone still has Mariners on the brain,
so we will have several segments today trying to make
(21:54):
sense of everything with the Seattle Mariners organization, including the
ABC's of the MS, which are going to come your
way next on Chuck and Buck Sports Radio ninety three
point three KJRFM. Good because there are a couple of
things that I kind of want to get off my
chest about the Mariners, and he has just gotten in
the way.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Of that the last couple of days.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
So the ABC's of the MS will allow us to
talk freely here you and I Ashley with our listening
audience here today. And Q is four questionable, which I
do think at the very minimum, Dan Wilson had some
questionable calls, not just during the playoffs, not just in
Game seven, but throughout the course of the season. But
(22:33):
every manager does, there's no doubt about it. And I
would just say this, you know, because Bucky's had Dan's
back all season long, postseason, even yesterday. Now, he did
say that he would have kept Brian Who over Bizardo.
But Bucky's point was he didn't have a problem with
Bizardo getting the call in that situation where a lot
of people did. And I really I not only respect
(22:55):
Bucky's opinion, but I also respect that he's sticking to
his guns on even though everybody's saying. I remember when
Mark James started and he went in immediately on Geno Smith,
not realizing that really none of us at KJR were
sold on Geno Smith. We were all lukewarm at best
on Geno Smith. Mark thought he had a really original
(23:17):
take and he didn't. But I remember Christopher Kidd was
on Gino Smith, and I pulled Kid aside as the
veteran of this business, and I said, hey, I don't
agree with your take on Gino, but I'm glad that
you have your take on Geno, and I think you
need to support it because there are a lot of
Geno supporters out there and they want to have their
(23:37):
side of the story heard, and there aren't any here
at the station. Any guys that really like Geno. So
if you like it, don't make it up. No, I
don't want you to pretend just to be on the
other side of things. But hold your ground because it's
going to make you stand out. So I kind of
feel the same way about Bucky. Everybody's kind of bagging
on Dan, and Bucky continues to defend Dan. I think
(23:59):
he wouldn't as far as saying he thought Dan had
an excellent year this year.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I never did. I never did.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I thought when we did our letter grades at the
end of the year, I think I gave him a
C minus when we started our when we did our
ranking how confident we were at certain areas. Of the Mariners,
that was the least confident, I think I gave him
a three on a scale from one to ten. I
felt that he was a little bit outmatched by aj
Hinch and the Tiger series, even though it was aj
(24:26):
Hinch's managerial decision that might have cost the Tigers beating
us and John Schneider I thought made some gaffes in
our series as well. So I don't think that Dan
had a terrible postseason. I don't think that the decisions
that he made. I think that the last one, the
(24:47):
one that we're talking about the most, was the most
questionable one of the entire time. But I do understand
that there's merits to all of the decisions that he made,
and there were reasons behind all of them. I would
have done a lot of things differently, especially with the
pitching decisions that were made throughout the postseason, including right
from jump. That was not the starting rotation that I
(25:09):
would have used against the Tigers when you had a
week off to set your rotation.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So there is a lot I question.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I think there is a lot questionable, and I think
that going into this offseason, I don't think it's out
of the question that we might have a new manager
at the beginning of next year.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Actually, one of.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
The things that I think Dan Wilson said, if I'm
going to take this job, I'm not going to be
micro managed.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I'm going to make the decisions.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
And they just tabbed Dan as somebody that was a
great candidate any for being a manager, great temperament, already
had the respect of the players, bright guy always we're
going to have the players backs, which he did all
season long. Was going to be able to create a
good environment in the clubhouse, which I think he did.
I think a manager more manages the players and their
(25:58):
personalities more so, and he does make an impact with
game decisions. And I think Dan was probably good at
all of those manager things. But his game decisions I
thought were questionable all season long. So did a lot
of people. And I was worried Ashley that when he
got to the postseason that it could end up being
a problem, and I do now that I get further
(26:20):
and further away from it, I feel like it was
a bigger problem the more I think about it, and
certainly the decision to go to Bizarre to we're going
to debate for years.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Oh yeah, it's going to be.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
I mean, it's the last memory we're left with really,
as we were so close to the World Series to
think about, like what could have been if you would
have left in brian Wu.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Does that happen?
Speaker 6 (26:39):
But and that's normal I think for any sports fan.
I had a lot of questions. But then I also
have kind of taken it back and thought to myself, well,
if you left in brian Wu and he gives up
that home run, your question for leaving in brian Wu?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, he's yeah, you're gonna get question either no matter.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
What you do right.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
And it is interesting because you said, you know, nowadays
the the manager is really you're more about the players
and the personalities and the things like that and not
the game decision. So then I wonder how many of
those questionable game decisions were actually Dan Wilson decisions or
part of the plan that the team had come up with.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Well, to me, that was the problem.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I think they had a strategy, and I think that
Dan didn't adjust to the situation in a pivotal game. Yeah,
he never managed the game seven before. I think he
had a fine strategy, which we've discussed numerous times. I
think he was planning on going George Kirby two times
through the lineup. If he got in any trouble, I'm
going to Gabe Spier to get him out, because relief
(27:36):
pitchers are used to coming in with guys on base.
Then I think he was going to go for Brian
wu for one time through the lineup, and if he
was on a roll, he was going to stick with
him for three full innings, and if not, he had
Bizardo to back him up, and that's who he was
going to bring up because Bizardo's been good with guys
in scoring position or on base when he inherited runners.
(27:57):
And then I think he was going to go Munnos
for two full innings as he was well rested, and if.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
He got in any trouble. Matt Brash is.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
The guy that has closed out games. He's the only
other one. Yeah, so we're gonna go to Matt Brash
in that situation if Munjos gets into trouble. I think
that was the strategy, and I think that's a fine strategy.
I think that's a really interesting strategy. But part of
being a manager is things happen in a game. The
timing is off, and you got to make decisions.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
We can't call Jerry and Justin and say, what do
the analytics tell us?
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, you got to be two three steps ahead of
this sucker. And when you saw Springer and Guerrero do
up fourth and sixth, yeah, and that seventh inning, and
it never crossed your mind to get at least two
guys up in the pen and maybe your best reliever,
you're all star reliever up because this might be the
last time we have to face these two guys, and
(28:49):
they're the only two guys that we truly fear in
the lineup. How you don't have your best available to
go at their best for one final time in the series.
I can find somebody else to close out a game
against the bottom.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Of the order.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yeah, but I mean you had Castillo and Miller available to.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You had Castillo and Miller available to Randy Johnson once
closed out a World Series getting.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
A save for the Diamondbacks for goodness sake.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
So to me, that's the thing that I think was
the problem with Dan all season long, all postseason long,
and certainly in the most important moment, the elimination moment
in essence of the season is I think that the
game moved too fast for him. And sometimes you can
make up for that. Joe Tory was not a great
X AS and Os guy.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
He just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
But he was a master at managing player personalities, getting
the most out of individual players. My goodness, he turned
Felix Jose into an All Star back in his days
in Saint Louis. And you don't know that reference that
you out there listening, but trust me, that's a miracle.
And so but man, when he got to the Yankees,
(29:51):
he had Don Zimmer, smart, little Yoda don Zimmer sitting
next to him the entire time. Don didn't have the
chops to be a manager. He didn't want to deal
with the media, he didn't want to deal with the personalities.
He just wanted to be the fun, loving to But
when it came to game decisions, he had Yoda sitting
next to him telling him, all right, you know, being
two three steps ahead. So maybe it's not a situation
(30:13):
where Dan needs to be micro managed. We've seen Jerry
and Justin do it in the past. I don't think
they're very good at it. But maybe he needs a
better right hand man. Maybe maybe we need a don Zimmer,
somebody that's been there, done that before that maybe doesn't
want to deal with the media every day, but can
sit there next to Dan and tell him, all right,
this is coming up.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Yeah, we got to think about this.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
We got to think about this. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
And and really maybe that's the solution to it, because Dan,
after winning a division probably shouldn't be fired. But I
don't want to go through this again next postseason. I
don't want a manager that's slow on the draw next postseason.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
No, And I do think that our hope, I guess
I do.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Hope that a lot of that had to do with
the fact that he's a first year manager and you know,
you're adjusting your learning things as you go, and especially
in playoffs. I mean, you've not not been there, so
how are you going to know?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Necessarily?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
But they I think the organization could have been better
prepared for that to have him assisted in that situation.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I mean, I don't want to say this because I
just really liked the guy a lot, But Manny Acta
was supposed to be that guy. What has Manny act
approved as a manager in postseason baseball?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
He might not be the right guy.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Yeah, So I'm not in the right position there maybe.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah. So anyway, it's going to be debated for a
long time. We're gonna talk more about it a little
bit later on in the show today because Bucky's not
here and it really gives me freedom.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
All right, coming up next. Man, it was a.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Game for the ages, and it happened on day number
two of the NBA season. Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM. Our basketball imaginations lively died epactically by when Byama.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Like Clint against your dad in this driveway when you're
eight years old, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Unicorn really doesn't sit down and watch sports with me anymore,
but she, for whatever, we went out to dinner last night,
so maybe she fell close to me. So she sat
down and watched a little bit of this last night,
and she was like, what am I seeing?
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
What is going on out here?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I why does he look so great and yet so
awkward at the same time.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Yeah, he's like one of those like things outside of
car dealership.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah. Yeah. And then finally she goes, how tall is he?
I go seven five yeah, and she goes, that now
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You couldn't tell that he was like monstrously taller than
everybody else, like the two of everyone else. And then
he has twice the arm length of everybody else, and
yet he handles the ball like a point guard all
of a sudden, and he doesn't have to jump to
do a reverse dunk.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
And then on top of it, he's obviously developed some skill.
Victor Woman put the league on blast yesterday. He's put
on some weight. Apparently he's grown an inch.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
In the offseason.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Crazy, and he looked unstoppable last night. That was against
two of the best big men defenders in the entire sport,
and he still scored forty points, fifteen rebounds, three block
shots and did not turn.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
The ball over. That's the night that Victor winbin Yama
had left.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
I think the no turnovers is the crazy part, because
being seven to five and having those long arms, you
would think there's going to be some awkward moments, and
he doesn't seem to have them. And he makes every
other NBA player who are all huge, look like normal
sized people.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
And he was handling the ball so much more than
we were. I mean, he was going between the legs,
he was doing crossover dribbles, he was starting the offense
from the top of the key and driving into the
lane and still didn't boot a single ball off of
his thirty foot shoes and.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
His bony ass long knees.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
I it, it's crazy the game that he had, and
it would be one thing for the NBA to celebrate
last night if not for today's story. So inside, the
NBA also debuted last night. They were on their game.
I mean they were so excited about being in a
different not even a different studio because it's the same studio.
(34:18):
Like they joked about how everything is the same. Nothing's
really changed, but you could tell they were ramped up
a little bit. They were talking over each other more.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Than what they normally do.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
But as the night settled in, Man, that's the best
Kenny Smith's ever been. He was actually hilarious last night. Wow,
they all were. And so a great, great evening for
the NBA. And I am curious, Ashley with in light
of this news that broke this morning about a now
a gambling scandal that's leading to the arrests of players
and head coaches. Here this morning in the inside the NBA,
(34:54):
even though TNT had a broadcast deal, what made them
must watch is that they never held back. They never
pulled any punches. That is the opposite of the way
ESPN operates. So now that inside the NBA's married to them,
I'm curious to see if they put shackles on them
tonight or if they just let them rip.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
I mean, I think I will say, as much as
ESPN does like to tame its people and tell people,
you know, we don't want this, they've got Pat McAfee
on there now and he's not really tell Steve Smith
Steven A.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Smith.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Yeah, So I would say I they'd be I would
hope not because they'd be doing themselves a massive disservice
because I think so many people are going to be
tuning in tonight just here.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Yeah what those guys have to say?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I mean there are examples of guys that get to
kind of shoot from the hip, There's no question about it.
But yeah, when you're are you are they going to
allow them to shoot from the hip against somebody they
just got a brand new television deal with and that
they are heavily invested in.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
It's a great question. Is Adam Silver.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Gonna call and say, Hey, tell those guys to be
easy on me tonight. I don't know if today's the
day to be easy on the end in light of
this controversy and this scandal that's that's coming out. So
we'll see how it unfolds. But man, that might have
been it, Adam. Thatdam might have been your golden moment
last night.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Congratulations, soak it in.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Wimby.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yep, he's as good as you think he is. And yes,
the inside the NBA guys are still hilarious.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Now get ready for the we.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Got We got a text that was like, the NBA
needs a distraction. How about expansion.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, there you go, there you go. That's perfect, all right.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Coming up next, Softie's gonna join us. Yeah, we're gonna
talk some Huskies. But I have a feeling that Softie
still only has one thing on his mind. Sports Radio
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