October 9, 2025 • 38 mins
From Tiger fans booing and writers penning their season-ending obituary, to forcing a game 5; what the eff happened in Detroit yesterday? Should Dan Wilson’s decisions be questioned? Or did he go according to game plan and it was the right move that just blew up in their faces? Gabe Speier has been the key to this entire series. :30- ABCs of the Mariners - P is for Pitchers: we don’t know who is going to pitch for the Mariners, but we certainly know Tarik Skubal will be on the mound for the Tigers. - Q is for questionable: That fair ball call…. - R is for reserves: why pinch hit for Canzone so early in the game? :45- Chuck caught up with Logan Gilbert after the game last night; how is Walter feeling about his team in a game 5 at home?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good time, other than the fact that we couldn't win
you a second game yesterday and come home with trophy.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I realized I don't give away a trophy, but.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We really did want Bucky soaked with the champagne last
night in the clubhouse, and the baseball guys just did
not cooperate them and the Tigers, yeah, yeah, they didn't
cooperate either.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
But this is our final morning here.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Thanks to iHeart Detroit here for making us feel at home.
Very hospitable people, very nice people here in Detroit that
we have encountered, and we are excited about getting home,
getting out to the ballpark tomorrow night for game number five. Yeah,
I'd rather be coming home with a divisional round victory
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and a champagne smelling Bucky Jacobson. But we have a
Game five to look forward to on Friday, and it
is going to be an unbelievable atmosphere. Of course, none
of this could have happened without our support, and I
really do. I mean, we take a lot of jokes.
I even took a couple shots this morning. Earlier this week,
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but thanks to Mark Glynn, our boss, also Rich Moore.
Big thanks to Rich Moore, because I think He really
pushed this forward to get us out here and to
land there back at the station and even the big
bosses that we never get to see. Thanks Pittman, thanks
for making this happen. We really do appreciate it. It's
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it's been a lot of fun and hopefully you've enjoyed
our coverage out here in Michigan. And we will be
flying home a little bit later on today, but I
wanted to do an entire Mariners Hour here in the
eight o'clock hour. We're gonna get to the ab season
a little bit. Also Logan Gilbert as well, but let's
just talk about the game yesterday here to get things started.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Bucky.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I mean, it really did feel like we had won
the series. It looked like that's what we were going
to be doing with our time last night is just
smiling sell A braiding the fact that we were through
to the American League Championship Series. On the anniversary of
the double, it just felt like everything was moving in
that direction. Up three to nothing in the fifth, I
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am telling you we were there. I mean the game
started with the fans not filling out, first time in
the history of Detroit Tigers baseball that they did not
have a sellout crowd for.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
A postseason baseball game.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I really think Tiger fans assessed it like we can't
beat them, And I think a lot of it had
to do with the last month how poorly they played
and blowing the division. I think they lost a little
bit of faith whether or not they had a championship
contender here in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But from the evening of Game.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Number three all the way into the start of Game
number four, there really was a feeling like Tiger fans
were just they've kind of given up hope, and then
they start booing in the third and the fourth. In
the contest yesterday, I mean, aj Hinch is bringing in
his best reliever, arguably in the fourth inning to get
out of a Bas's loaded jam, which he did a
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pretty good job of doing. By the way, I got
the Tiger beat rider sitting next to me in the
press box, riding the Tiger's obituary right in front of
me for the twenty twenty five season. I mean, you
want to talk about coming up with a rally when
it felt like they were out out cold in the
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middle of a potential clenching game for the Mariners, I mean,
you just don't grow a bumper crop from a field
of dust. And yet somehow they rose up and they
earned it. I mean, they just rattled the bats. But
it really did feel like we were in the fifth inning.
Going into that fifth inning, we were going to be
celebrating last night, and I've never felt it more overwhelmingly
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than I did at that time.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, I mean I wasn't there. I didn't get quite there.
As a matter of fact, I didn't win that. When
we had bases, no outs and they were making the
pitching change, I felt like we were on the cusp
of feeling real good about ourselves, right, and yet you
and I were, we were we were talking about what
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we were going to do after the game, right, And
then we didn't really discuss it too terribly much further
because it was there was still a lot of game
left to be played. When Victor Robe was hitting too
that ground ball.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Okay, I need to clarify that because it people angry.
We discussed our options as professionals.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yes, with a win, we do this. With a loss,
we do this all right, So we weren't. We weren't
getting ahead of it. We didn't put on rain ponchos
like some people did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we didn't go there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So I don't want people to thinking because I realize
a lot of people think that God's up there keeping score, like, oh, they.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Just jinxed them. Jinks them, didn't jinx them, jinks them,
jinks them. All right, this is the team that wins
based off all the jinxes that I have accumulated here
from this scenario. So we didn't jinx them.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
We had a conversation as professional broadcasters as to how
we were gonna handle the post game, whether.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
They won or the oka. Yes, want to clarify that, Yes,
and but I'll just say that at that moment, that was,
that was before that, that was probably in the third inning.
It was before any of the wheels started to even rattle,
let alone come off. I was not in I wasn't
in a comfortable place. I was feeling better. I mean,
we scored. When Canzone drove in the first round, I
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was like, nice, get on the board first. I want
to play ahead, especially when you're on the road when
the second run comes across. Feeling better still, don't, I
still am like these guys, they're not going to roll
over for you. You're gonna have to take this. When we
had basses juiced and they're making the move to the bullpen,
I'm like, this is where you blow it open, right,
you end up putting up a three spot of four
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spot right here. Now, I would have I still probably
wouldn't have got super comfortable like we got this because
I don't. I just don't trust relief pictures. There's a
I like the guys that we have. I like game Spider,
like what he's done. I like Bizardo, I like obviously
Brash Munnos. I don't trust them. They're pictures, and they're
relief pictures, and they they're not perfect. They're going to
have moments where they they give up runs. I don't think,
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you know, anybody would would think that we have Mariano Rivera,
who even he had his moments, very rare, but even
he had his moments. So to me, I ate a
blow two thousand and one Rivera. Yeah, hall of fame
or my butt? Yeah unanimous? Okay, yeah, uh, apparently that
guy didn't watch that series. Part of the world series mo. Yeah,
it's a big deal, kind of you should show up. Yeah,
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loser weight a half ascid. Yeah, but so, I mean,
I didn't get all the way there. Uh, And I
think it was the second run that was Victor Robos's
ground out was the second run that was one where like, ah,
I feel like you let them off the hook. I
feel like you had them wobbled right and and instead
you let them get back up off the mattin So,
I mean, I I never quite got there, but I
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will tell you, I until it was probably to three,
I felt like, okay, used to We're still a bloop
and a blast away from, you know, taking the lead
back on this bad boy.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Felt bad, And I know you were never going to
get there. But I am telling you the description that
I've provided is accurate. The Tiger fans were there, Oh,
Tiger fans were for sure. Tiger fans had given up
the night before. The Tiger fans walked out of the
stadium when Matt Brash mowed him down one, two, three,
and the seventh inning, like half of them left. And
I think they showed up yesterday just because they'd already
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bought the tickets, I mean, and then they didn't. The
people that tried to fill in the seats were Mariner fans.
It was like Alex Akita, No, those are the people
that were showing up. The Mariner fans that again kind
of taken over the stadium for the first five innings.
All I was hearing was Mariner cheers and Tiger booze.
That's all that I was hearing for the for the
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first five innings of that game.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And when it was three to.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Nothing, I mean, it really felt like Tiger fans were
like waving the white flags on the entire series and
had kind of resigned themselves. You know, had a good year,
but that's the better team. Let's face it, We're gonna
live with that. That's the feeling that you had in
the stadium. Oh yeah, no doubt about it. I mean
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the fans most certainly did. They kind of do a
It's a cool thing if you're a Detroit fan where
they will start the game out and they will boo
the hitter right when they first come up, right, And
they ended up the first game here they ended up
doing that well, went away after like not even the
whole first time through the lineup, they weren't doing it anymore.
Yesterday they were doing it all the way through, like
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one and a half times through the lineup. Like every
time they would announce our guy to come up a bat,
they would boo, and I'm like, I like that as
a as a as a as a player, I wouldn't
like being booed just when they announced my name.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
It's not going to affect how I go up there.
But so but then when yes, we scored the second
run and most certainly the third run, you could hear
and to me, it immediately felt like, like you said,
it was a month's worth of disappointment as to how
this team limped into the playoffs. They were kind of
watching it unfold and feeling like, we're running out of outs.
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Our season is going to be over in fifteen outs
from now. And the difference is obviously the players on
that team. They most certainly didn't feel it.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
And they put together a string of quality at bats
against typically successful relievers. I mean, Bizardo had a terrific year,
Spire had a terrific year, and he looked unhittable in
the first two appearances that he made in this series. So,
you know, I realized that the conversation of how we
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lost this game, a lot of people feel it starts
with the decision to take Bryce Miller out of the game.
I thought Softie had a really enlightening point, a very
honest point with himself. He wanted to be able to
point the finger at somebody to blame them because he
was angry that they lost the game. I don't think
you can point that finger at Dan Wilson. I think
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they marched in with the game plan that Bryce Miller
is going to come out the moment it looks like
he's getting into trouble. And this is nothing new for
this series. I mean, George Kirby had four shutout innings
and didn't make it through the fifth. Luis Castillo had
four shutout innings and didn't make it through the fifth,
and Bryce Miller had four shutout innings and didn't make
it through the fifth. So not only was it not
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new to this series that that's the kind of the moment,
that's the you know who or get off the pot
kind of moment with your starter, that the organization was
planning on making that decision if they got into any
trouble and you're looking at third time through the rotation
the lineup potentially, but for this game in particular, with
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Bryce Miller being clearly the fifth best starter in the organization,
this year. I thought there was going to be a
really quick hook, so I wasn't if anything, and I
know this gonna sound strange. I was more surprised they
didn't take him out after the Torkosen single to start
the inning. Then I was surprised that they took him
out after the Dingler double that scored the tigers first run.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So I don't know. I get that you're angry, but.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I don't think unless you were saying the whole time
Bryce stays in for seven innings, then I don't think
you can hindsight wait to see Spire and Bizardo cough
up the lead and any chance of coming back, and
then start pointing fingers at Dan Wilson. I think he
handled it like I believed he was going to and
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like I think he should have handled it.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, well, you know, I'm not one that is quick
to jump in because I don't think that you I'm
going to have a super strong opinion if I don't
have all of the information. I'll say this though, in
the moment, as I watched Gabe go out there and
struggle to one not relinquish the run that Bryce Miller
left on second base, but then also give up his
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own right. He just didn't have the same stuff that
he typically does the next inning. So then they tie
it up, and you go into the next inning, and
we get a couple guys on with two outs, and
then that's when I was talking about Randy Rose. Arena
gets out with the out, two guys on, two outs,
so they put up a zero, which is exactly what
you want to do as the opposing pitching staff. We
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just tied it up. Go put up a zero, especially
when you're the home team, because now you're writing the
momentum from the previous inning. You wrote it through the
possible hiccup in the top of the sixth, and now
you get hitting them. And yet what That's where Dan
Wilson says, I have to trust Gabe here. You're not
going to bring in Caleb Ferguson after what we watched
the day before, and that's your only other left he
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to go against Riley Green, who has substantially different splits,
especially power numbers, righty's versus lefties. Oh, it's nobody but Gabe. Well,
because I think it's the right decision, but it's one
that you should you could think about. If you're saying
Gabe is not Gabe right now what I watched it. Yes,
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that's where I was thinking in the moment. This is
before the home run. I'm thinking because it's one of
those they will They've taken him out before against lefties. Now,
if you switch to another picture and it's not going
to be another lefty, he's obviously not coming out. But
then it's okay. Do I trust that he's going to
get the lefty out like he typically does, or is
this where maybe I go to brash because I'm writing
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that fine line of momentum that they they stole from
us when they scored three and tied it up. They're
gaining on it by putting up a zero in the
top of the sixth. That might have been a situation
where I said Brash, I'm going brash, and I might
go the next two innings with Brash, hope we score
in the next couple of innings, and then I go
Munnos from maybe two outs to two innings to close
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it out. I'm not saying I'm I think he did
the wrong thing, because I don't think it's the wrong thing.
I'm saying in the moment, I was thinking, I don't
know for sure if I would have trusted Gabe simply
based on how I saw the last inning play out.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I mean, I get what you're saying. I would say
two things to that. Number One, that he did seem
to settle I mean, he gave up two hits in
that inning that tied the game, and then he did
kind of settle down after he got the next two
hitters out on weak ground balls. And his job is
to get left handers out, their best left handers, and
you've got their best hitter coming up next in Riley Green.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Who struggles severely against lefties.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So I think number one, they read that all right,
he got off to a rocky start, But I think
maybe he's fixed things, and this is the reason that
we have him in this situation.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
There's a reason we brought him in.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
We wanted him to have to face this gauntlet and
have aj Hinch have to make a decision whether or
not he wanted Kerry Carpenter, Colt Keith and Riley Green
to hit and Parker Meadow's against our best left hander,
or if he wanted to take him out of the
game and make things easier for us later on in
the contest. So I think it's the whole reason that
he was there. I get that he was struggling. He
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obviously struggled, but I think that he ironed things out.
I think the other thing was because you did have
the extra game in hand, that it wasn't Matt Brash
two innings time yet, and Dan's head, I think it
is tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Like, if you need.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Matt Rash to go two innings tomorrow, I think he'd
go tomorrow. I think Andre's Munoz could go two innings tomorrow.
But I think with the extra game in hand, I
don't think it was matt Rash two innings day yet.
I don't think that they had reached that mindset to
this point. So I mean, I honestly I love the
way Softy put it. I want to be able to
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blame a manager here because I'm angry that they did,
but I just think that they went with the game
plan and I look, Gabe Spier has been the key,
I said at the beginning of the series, but I
didn't expect it to unfold like this. He has been
the key to this entire series. He was the key
for you didn't go to him in Game one one
when you should and may have lost the game because
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of it. You did go to him at the right
time in game number two and may have won the
game because of it. And then you went to him,
I thought, at the right time yesterday, and for whatever reason,
he didn't have it and he handed game number four
to the Detroit Tigers. But I don't see how Dan
Wilson as a button that predicts the future.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
There.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That was the moment they were planning to move away
from Miller.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
They were planning to move away from him the moment
it looked.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Like he was getting into any trouble, and it happened
to come in the fifth and their plan was to
go to Spire when that happened, as long as those
lefties were starting to line up, I think he went
exactly according to game plan, and I think it was
the right game plan, and it just blew up in
their faces. Spire just didn't have it. Bizardo just didn't
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have it. And if you could have predicted that, well,
you shouldn't be on this earth, you know, you should
be somewhere else, you know, kind of predicting the fate
of the worlds. If you could predict that they were
going to pitch that poorly, yesterday, because I haven't really
much aught all this season.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
No, no, and I'm with you, but I mean, I'm,
without a doubt, a guy that knows and understands and
lives by the eye. I know that no one has
a button to predict the future. I'm saying, that's where
the game plan. I'm just saying people that were angry,
I don't. I don't. I don't second guess things because
of outcomes. It was more of a feel to me,
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do I I get. I think it's the right choice
to send gave back out there for that for the
what was it the sixth inning, right, and then where
he gives up the home run and then you bring
Bizarreo in and the wheels absolutely fall off. I think
it was the right call. And yet there's a part
of me in the moment before the home run happened saying,
I don't know for sure if I'm if. I just
trust that he's himself right now. Today he just didn't
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look like it, even though yes, he did end up
getting a couple of week ground balls and and figured
out it looked like he had settled in. It still
is one like man. And I know that, Yes, maybe
because you had a game in the bag that you
could you could afford to do that, and your season's
not over. Maybe it's not two innings. If anything, if
we talk about how you manage differently in the postseason,
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I game one of a next series, if we get there,
if it said, if my gut tells me, and the outcome,
because it's not your best option against a lefty even
more than Gabe Spier might be Matt Brash.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, more often than not, Spiers come through in that moment.
And you don't read any evidence that Matt Brash is a.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Two innings pitcher this season. None. Well, I hadn't done it.
I don't get well, he hasn't done it. Obviously coming
off Tommy John to me, he can throw. I mean,
you're not gonna have him out there for forty pitches
over two innings. But if he goes out there and
goes nine pitches, and he goes out there the next inning,
goes twenty two or twelve pitches or fifteen pitches, he
can throw twenty five thirty pitches in an inning.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Be fine, All right, Well it's a loss, sorry about it.
And yet so we get this opportunity. This is the
way you got to look at it. You got an
opportunity to watch a game five, deciding game in your
own ballyard, with forty seven thousand of your closest baseball
friends showing up to see if we can pull this
thing off Friday night at five o'clock. That you gotta
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be as excited as paulmer Edley.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
She can't wait. Yes, it really will be even sweeter
if we do it at home. Yes, yeah, sure so,
I mean the opportunity of the best possible outcome, a
walk off, most enterta home. Yeah. I did say we're
due for another special A L D S moment. You know,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
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to deep rite in the bottom of the ninth down
one against will Vest to the A L C S
out and see us getting will Vest. Let me crystal
ball that mother blankers.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
From the when we got to where we knew we
were playing Detroit, I thought we're gonna get will Vest.
We're gonna we taught him how to become a decent picture.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And you can all your secrets beard out all you want,
but I know you're really Tim Booth.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
That's who you are tricking us, not triggering us.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Tim Booth doesn't have nasty strikeout stuff now with the
season on the line, everybody knows that. That's why the
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Speaker 2 (20:37):
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Speaker 1 (20:44):
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view of Bucky's backyard.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
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That hotel looks amazing. I thought you maybe would have
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Speaker 2 (21:24):
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Speaker 2 (21:50):
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Speaker 1 (21:55):
All right, well, let's do the abcs of the MS here.
We're here in Detroit, and so obviously the A b
c's of the.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
MS of PHILP. You know more at home. You know
what I'm saying that we're with the team. Yeah, during
the season.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
The we left off of the letter P yesterday, so
that's where we'll pick it up. He is four pitchers,
and Bucky can say all he wants about pitchers, but
let's face it. This is this is why we're not
breaking down who's gonna hit fifth going into Game number five?
Now are we We're wondering who's gonna pitch for the
Mariners to start the game, and we know who's gonna
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pitch for the Tigers. And he's the single solitary reason
why Vegas says the Tigers are favored to win this game.
So pitchers, it's all about pitchers on Friday night.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Well, we're gonna have to score some so it's, uh,
somebody's gonna have to go out there some day or
our pitchers gotta shut some fools out. Yeah, and typically, Yeah,
Vegas gets it and understandably so. I mean the fact
that he has what a two to e ra or
something again this year probably gonna win another side, young,
you're not gonna get a ton of runs. I mean,
chances are now he's human. Maybe he shows up and
(23:08):
I don't know, parties, has like a too much jungle
juice or something the night before. Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe that's what they make friends. Yeah, maybe that's what
he has. I don't know exactly. Maybe he just gets
too riled up and can't throw a strike. Something would
be wonderful, But yeah, it is going to boil. It's
gonna boil down to how how long can we go
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punch for punch with him? And then who's gonna take
advantage offensively on either team when when a mistake is made,
because they will be made. Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It feels to me kind of like just kind of
the same Game two analysis, Like, I think it's gonna
be one to one late, too too late to one late.
I think that's what we're looking at. And then if
we can get him out of the game, I mean,
he'll go even further than what he did the first game.
He went seven innings the first game and it came
out after ninety five pitches. Well, he's on full rest
through the rotation, and so if they need to push
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him to eighth inning, ninth inning, I mean, I think
they'll push him to the brink as opposed to entering
into that bullpen. Frankly, I'm kind of glad Troy Melton's
not pitching. I mean, they don't give an MVP to
the Alds, but right now the Tiger's MVP of the
Alds is Troy.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Freaking Melton, who well thoughts saw that come up. Yeah, well,
no one including Troy Melton, considering he gave up like
six runs or four runs or something like a third
of an Indian against Cleveland in the previous series. So
I mean, that's that is a prime example as to
why I don't trust relief pitchers. You have to trust him,
You got to use them. But they didn't think he
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was going to come out here and shut us down
one time and then yesterday come out there and for
three innings, because it was three different innings that he
came out there, got had a little bit of an issue,
and yet wiggled his way off the hook. He most
certainly was a contributor to letting them keep the momentum
that they had seized.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
All Right, we kind of resigned ourselves between Bucky and
I to Luis Castillo's starts. Kirby comes out of the bullpen.
I prefer to start an inning, not to come in
with any kind of traffic or to start out of
the stretch or anything like that. But all hands on deck.
That includes I mean, if you've got to get six
seven outs out of Munnos, you get six seven outs
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if he's strong and mowing them down. So all hands
on deck for this when it comes to the pitchers,
Q is for questionable. I mean it ended up. I
don't know. I mean maybe sliding doors. It does impact
the outcome. I'm not going to make too big of
a deal out of an umpire's call when your relievers
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give up nine runs over the course of four innings.
But man, I don't know how that foul ball I
think down the third base line was called fair, and
we all understand that as long as it goes over
the base, and even just the you know, the arc
just takes it over the base, it doesn't have to
land fair on the other side of the bag. But
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I don't see how it even went over the bag fair.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Did you No? No, it looked from the press box
it looked foul for sure. And then I'm like, okay,
I don't have a real good angle on it. I mean,
typically you can see a ball, I mean if it
bounces like within a foot. Now, when it hits again
past third base, it doesn't have to be fair, like
you just said. But if it's like within a foot,
you're like that quite possibly could have been hooking over
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the base. This thing was a foot and a half
two feet left of the foul pult where it hits.
It was a high arc.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
It's a higher arc than you normally see from a
foul ball in that say.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
And unfortunately, it's not something you can challenge. Any ball
that basically hits in fair play in front of the umpires,
you can't challenge it. They're just saying, Nope, that guy's
looking right down the line. He has the best view
of anybody. We have to take his word on it.
But to me, that seemed like it seemed like the
wrong call. And that's probably partially my heart talking, but
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it also seemed like when you're talking about sliding doors,
that was Zzardo's first guy that he faced. All of
a sudden, it's a double, and and then uh and
and and so now you just lost the lead to
Spier's home run or the home run that Spired gave up.
And then he all of a sudden gives up the double.
Then McKinstry goes single, then you pick him off, and
then all of a sudden, they still end up attacking
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a couple more on later on, and then Bias kind
of blows it out. That was the biggest turning point
in the game. I mean, the turning point when they
caught back up was huge. The home run and then
the rest of that inning. What happened after that double
was called fair is where the basically the wheels fell off.
So finally that, as I said, I was so mad,
I was yelling out the television.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It looked like a terrible call. And you have extra
umpires for the playoffs. I mean, you're you're showing they're
showing the bad call in my estimation, and you see
two umpires standing there watching it go down, and yet
it's not reviewable, so you just had to go with it. Again,
I'm not gonna blame any I'm not gonna come anywhere
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close to blame and the loss on it. I blame
the loss on Spire and Bizardo, and not out of anger.
They just didn't have it yesterday. But nonetheless, it did
look like a terrible call, and you expect better in
the playoffs when you have extra eyeballs on the problem. Finally,
r is four reserves. I don't get the canzone pinch hit.
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I mean I understand maybe a little later on in
the game, but when he is one for one with
an RBI single that got your scoring started, and his
splits against lefties are kind of on par with Mitch Garver's.
I get that Mitch Garver is better against lefties, but
he's not really better than Dom against lefties. I don't
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understand why you make that decision and then lose can Zone.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
For the rest of the game. It makes zero sense.
If there's one thing that beritained me the most. And
I know that part of this is because I look
through Pooh colored glasses whenever I see Garver. It was
a horrible decision. Not a big seller by the way. Yeah,
but then people didn't like him. But kan Zone comes
up and sees one pitch and scorches an RBI single
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to right field, and then all right, thanks kid, go
sit down because we're gonna bring in Mitch Garver. Oh god,
I mean, he did the best thing you can got it.
He he did the best possible thing he could do
battle for a walk, and it did put us in
a basis loaded situation. So he did his job to
the best of his ability. Uh. And yet it just
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is one of those you then have to think you're
doing this in the fourth inning, You're there's gonna be
another rioting that's gonna come in, meaning you're gonna then
have to go to Luke Rayley. And I love Luke Rayley,
but Luke Rayley has had a bad year. He's been injured.
Now when Luke's up there for two times, you're like,
just throw let one get away inside so he can
turn into it because he's just not having good abs
full Bobby Grove on it. One hundred. To me, it
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was a you just you just made your offense worse
by taking canzone out right there. And now we're probably
gonna see Garver starting at d H and set of
canzone since we're going against Jerk Scouble. Let me get
him out of the game earlier.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, well considering, yeah, then then he could get pinch
hit for the second at bat.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
So there you go. That's the logic. I would imagine
they will start him. Yeah, and if Scooble goes deep
into the game, he's just dice Garver up three times.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
M Yeah, that was a that was I thought a
mistake from Dan too early of a poll.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Just go ahead and let him get one more at.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
That I mean, you're even up at that point, Yeah,
so just give him the at bat and like if
you kick it, you kick it.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
It's not like, oh man, what kind of damage would
Garver have done there? You kind of walk? No one
thought that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
All right, coming up next, if you didn't hear my
conversation with Logan Gilbert after the game last night, we'll
replay it for you. Sports Radio ninety three point three
kJ r f M. All right, it's Chuck Ball, it's
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Bucky Jacobson.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's Ashley Ryan with you, Chucking Buck in the morning.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Sports Radio ninety three point three KHARFM. We've been on
the road the last three days covering for you the
American League Divisional Series, and it is going to go
to a fifth game tomorrow at five o'clock. Certainly a
crushing loss for the Mariners. Yesterday they were up three
to nothing. I think they could sense, maybe they couldn't
yet smell or taste victory and wrapping up the division
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in four games, but I think everybody had a sense
that it was moving in that direction, only for it
to fall apart, starting in the bottom of the fifth
when Detroit scored three times, and then four more times
in the sixth, and then before it's over with, it
looks like a blowout. In the box score. Nine to
three is the final score. So needless to say, when
I went down to the clubhouse after the game last night,
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I wasn't dealing with a bunch of professional athletes in
a good mood.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
That was a somber tone certainly in the locker room.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
But I did have a chance to catch up with
a guy that really didn't participate in the game yesterday
or contribute to the loss. And that is a starting pitcher,
Logan Gilbert, who went in game number three. But this
is a guy that's been with the Mariners his entire career,
is beloved in the locker room, and to me felt
like a great guy to chat with to get the
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sense of how the locker room was feeling after blowing
that game. So here's my conversation last night with Logan.
What can you say tough one tonight? You didn't play Obviously,
you didn't pitch, obviously, but but I mean talk about
your team and it's resilience and how Logan Gilbert's.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Not worried how you're going to bounce back from this.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, I think any time in the year we've gotten
in a point where we had to win, or things
had to change or whatever, we've kind of come through.
So I think we're in a really good spot. Our
arms are ready to go, our bats are good, and
so obviously you want to win this one. But I
think going back to T Mobile especially, it's really hard
to be us in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I know how close you guys are as pictures, and
we were talking about it a lot on today's show.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
And so when a guy like Gabe.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Who's been so good all year along and Bizardo has
been so good all year long, struggle like they did
in a big moment, what do you guys do to
rally around them and pick them up.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, it doesn't change anything. I mean that's they've proven
who they are for years now, so stuff looks great.
We have all the confidence in the world and those
guys and they've saved my runs and other runs plenty
of times. So, like I said, I think our arms
are in a really good position.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
The entire crowd in Detroit felt like they'd given up.
I mean, they just felt like they were dead in
the water. How are you guys feeling before they started
turning things around.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I mean, I thought we did a good job for
most of the two games, kind of taking the crowd
out of it, even getting the early start today, Bruce
looked great. We got a couple of runs right away,
so from that standpoint, things look good. And I mean
there were some emptcs too, like it wasn't sold out
or anything, so it's kind of crazy to see that
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in a playoff game. But I think, just focus on
what we can do and get ready for Game five.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Keep in mind he can overhear you. But what did
you think of Bryce today? I don't want to be
too nice.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
He looked good. He looked really good.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I told him after.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
That's probably the best I've seen him in a long time,
and that's how he's been for a couple of weeks
now in bullpens and even games. But stuff wise and execution,
everything was there. So it's fun to see what you
think Friday is going to be, Like Loud, It's gonna
be fun.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Good luck man, Thank you Logan Gilbert after the game
last night. Yeah, I know he didn't participate in the
contest yesterday, but that's that's lovable Walter right there. Everybody
on the team loves him, respects him, and I thought,
this is a good person right now to talk about
this team and it's mindset, and I thought that he
represented it pretty well.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, well, I mean that's the beauty of you down
there and getting that as I want the fans, who
obviously are frustrated and scared and worried about the fact
that there's a game five when you could have possibly
won it right there and things were looking good for
the first half of the game, is to get the
impression of what they're feeling. And that's not just talk, right.
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I mean, he maybe wouldn't say if there was a worry, right.
I mean, do you think that they were flying flying
back from Detroit last night not knowing, Okay, we got
to go do it against Google. That's no easy task.
They get it. They recognize that they just made the
task harder on themselves by the way in which a
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couple guys came in and didn't do what they typically would.
But to me, I think it's great to get the impression.
I bet if you go around and ask all those guys,
they might be a little bit shorter and might be
a little bit frustrated because of the way that second
half of the game went. And yet none of them are.
None of them are just like well, Vegas says we're
going to lose so we just screwed that up and
that's the beauty of it, and it's it's uh yeah,
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it's uh. It creates more stress for sure. I mean
I'm more stressed now than I was, you know, the
fourth inning of yesterday's game. But at the same time,
it's I still just think it could be that much sweeter.
And if there's one thing this this team likes is drama.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Well, I mean I think fans, uh, you know, fans
ride the roller coaster of emotions. Analysts, talk show hosts,
we sort of stir up that conversation certainly, and some
of us get a little more over the top than
others when it comes to this sort of thing. But
people need to always keep in mind the players really
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don't operate that way. The longer they've been, the higher
they reach in terms of the level. I mean, even
gave Spier, I thought he was going to be beside himself.
I thought maybe he would be one of the guys
that grabbed his bag and snuck out the back and
didn't want to face the media. And not only did
he face the media, I mean he was he didn't
even he's out of like that happens. I mean, sound
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like he was blaming himself or hard on himself or
anything like that. He was disappointed that he didn't get
the results, but he it was all about let's get
ready for game number five. Even Cow, every single question
that Cow was asked by the media, I think he
slipped in there. Hey, it's just all about game five.
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I think everything they could have asked him. What's your
favorite sandwich?
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Game five? You know, you know what was your what
was your first word? Game five? Yeah? Yeah, Well, I
mean that's the beauty of competition. And the more you play,
the longer you play, the more competition you've experienced. Part
of competition as you sometimes fail. I mean we were
talking about yesterday and with a lot of people that
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boy JP Crawford's throws offline. Think about how many throws online? Right? Oh,
Josh Nator made a big air for us then yesterday.
You see him as a ball magnet now that he's
a dad, and he made all of them and made
some really smart plays along with it. It's just it's
what you want. You want the opportunity to succeed, But
what comes with that is the opportunity to fail. Yeah,
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what's your favorite taco topping? Game five. All right, Ryan
Healy will join us at nine point thirty.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
But in the meantime, coming up next on the program,
we have a major sporting event to starting here in
Seattle tonight, the start of the hockey season. And even
though this has been a mostly baseball show, there's no
doubt how big of an event. This is blue carpet
treatment for tonight's crack An opener. And you know how
we celebrate big events. That's right, we draft next. Sports
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Radio ninety three point three KJRFM
Good time, other than the fact that we couldn't win
you a second game yesterday and come home with trophy.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I realized I don't give away a trophy, but.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We really did want Bucky soaked with the champagne last
night in the clubhouse, and the baseball guys just did
not cooperate them and the Tigers, yeah, yeah, they didn't
cooperate either.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
But this is our final morning here.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Thanks to iHeart Detroit here for making us feel at home.
Very hospitable people, very nice people here in Detroit that
we have encountered, and we are excited about getting home,
getting out to the ballpark tomorrow night for game number five. Yeah,
I'd rather be coming home with a divisional round victory
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and a champagne smelling Bucky Jacobson. But we have a
Game five to look forward to on Friday, and it
is going to be an unbelievable atmosphere. Of course, none
of this could have happened without our support, and I
really do. I mean, we take a lot of jokes.
I even took a couple shots this morning. Earlier this week,
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but thanks to Mark Glynn, our boss, also Rich Moore.
Big thanks to Rich Moore, because I think He really
pushed this forward to get us out here and to
land there back at the station and even the big
bosses that we never get to see. Thanks Pittman, thanks
for making this happen. We really do appreciate it. It's
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it's been a lot of fun and hopefully you've enjoyed
our coverage out here in Michigan. And we will be
flying home a little bit later on today, but I
wanted to do an entire Mariners Hour here in the
eight o'clock hour. We're gonna get to the ab season
a little bit. Also Logan Gilbert as well, but let's
just talk about the game yesterday here to get things started.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Bucky.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I mean, it really did feel like we had won
the series. It looked like that's what we were going
to be doing with our time last night is just
smiling sell A braiding the fact that we were through
to the American League Championship Series. On the anniversary of
the double, it just felt like everything was moving in
that direction. Up three to nothing in the fifth, I
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am telling you we were there. I mean the game
started with the fans not filling out, first time in
the history of Detroit Tigers baseball that they did not
have a sellout crowd for.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
A postseason baseball game.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I really think Tiger fans assessed it like we can't
beat them, And I think a lot of it had
to do with the last month how poorly they played
and blowing the division. I think they lost a little
bit of faith whether or not they had a championship
contender here in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But from the evening of Game.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Number three all the way into the start of Game
number four, there really was a feeling like Tiger fans
were just they've kind of given up hope, and then
they start booing in the third and the fourth. In
the contest yesterday, I mean, aj Hinch is bringing in
his best reliever, arguably in the fourth inning to get
out of a Bas's loaded jam, which he did a
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pretty good job of doing. By the way, I got
the Tiger beat rider sitting next to me in the
press box, riding the Tiger's obituary right in front of
me for the twenty twenty five season. I mean, you
want to talk about coming up with a rally when
it felt like they were out out cold in the
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middle of a potential clenching game for the Mariners, I mean,
you just don't grow a bumper crop from a field
of dust. And yet somehow they rose up and they
earned it. I mean, they just rattled the bats. But
it really did feel like we were in the fifth inning.
Going into that fifth inning, we were going to be
celebrating last night, and I've never felt it more overwhelmingly
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than I did at that time.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, I mean I wasn't there. I didn't get quite there.
As a matter of fact, I didn't win that. When
we had bases, no outs and they were making the
pitching change, I felt like we were on the cusp
of feeling real good about ourselves, right, and yet you
and I were, we were we were talking about what
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we were going to do after the game, right, And
then we didn't really discuss it too terribly much further
because it was there was still a lot of game
left to be played. When Victor Robe was hitting too
that ground ball.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Okay, I need to clarify that because it people angry.
We discussed our options as professionals.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yes, with a win, we do this. With a loss,
we do this all right, So we weren't. We weren't
getting ahead of it. We didn't put on rain ponchos
like some people did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we didn't go there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So I don't want people to thinking because I realize
a lot of people think that God's up there keeping score, like, oh, they.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Just jinxed them. Jinks them, didn't jinx them, jinks them,
jinks them. All right, this is the team that wins
based off all the jinxes that I have accumulated here
from this scenario. So we didn't jinx them.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
We had a conversation as professional broadcasters as to how
we were gonna handle the post game, whether.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
They won or the oka. Yes, want to clarify that, Yes,
and but I'll just say that at that moment, that was,
that was before that, that was probably in the third inning.
It was before any of the wheels started to even rattle,
let alone come off. I was not in I wasn't
in a comfortable place. I was feeling better. I mean,
we scored. When Canzone drove in the first round, I
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was like, nice, get on the board first. I want
to play ahead, especially when you're on the road when
the second run comes across. Feeling better still, don't, I
still am like these guys, they're not going to roll
over for you. You're gonna have to take this. When we
had basses juiced and they're making the move to the bullpen,
I'm like, this is where you blow it open, right,
you end up putting up a three spot of four
(05:49):
spot right here. Now, I would have I still probably
wouldn't have got super comfortable like we got this because
I don't. I just don't trust relief pictures. There's a
I like the guys that we have. I like game Spider,
like what he's done. I like Bizardo, I like obviously
Brash Munnos. I don't trust them. They're pictures, and they're
relief pictures, and they they're not perfect. They're going to
have moments where they they give up runs. I don't think,
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you know, anybody would would think that we have Mariano Rivera,
who even he had his moments, very rare, but even
he had his moments. So to me, I ate a
blow two thousand and one Rivera. Yeah, hall of fame
or my butt? Yeah unanimous? Okay, yeah, uh, apparently that
guy didn't watch that series. Part of the world series mo. Yeah,
it's a big deal, kind of you should show up. Yeah,
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loser weight a half ascid. Yeah, but so, I mean,
I didn't get all the way there. Uh, And I
think it was the second run that was Victor Robos's
ground out was the second run that was one where like, ah,
I feel like you let them off the hook. I
feel like you had them wobbled right and and instead
you let them get back up off the mattin So,
I mean, I I never quite got there, but I
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will tell you, I until it was probably to three,
I felt like, okay, used to We're still a bloop
and a blast away from, you know, taking the lead
back on this bad boy.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Felt bad, And I know you were never going to
get there. But I am telling you the description that
I've provided is accurate. The Tiger fans were there, Oh,
Tiger fans were for sure. Tiger fans had given up
the night before. The Tiger fans walked out of the
stadium when Matt Brash mowed him down one, two, three,
and the seventh inning, like half of them left. And
I think they showed up yesterday just because they'd already
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bought the tickets, I mean, and then they didn't. The
people that tried to fill in the seats were Mariner fans.
It was like Alex Akita, No, those are the people
that were showing up. The Mariner fans that again kind
of taken over the stadium for the first five innings.
All I was hearing was Mariner cheers and Tiger booze.
That's all that I was hearing for the for the
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first five innings of that game.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And when it was three to.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Nothing, I mean, it really felt like Tiger fans were
like waving the white flags on the entire series and
had kind of resigned themselves. You know, had a good year,
but that's the better team. Let's face it, We're gonna
live with that. That's the feeling that you had in
the stadium. Oh yeah, no doubt about it. I mean
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the fans most certainly did. They kind of do a
It's a cool thing if you're a Detroit fan where
they will start the game out and they will boo
the hitter right when they first come up, right, And
they ended up the first game here they ended up
doing that well, went away after like not even the
whole first time through the lineup, they weren't doing it anymore.
Yesterday they were doing it all the way through, like
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one and a half times through the lineup. Like every
time they would announce our guy to come up a bat,
they would boo, and I'm like, I like that as
a as a as a as a player, I wouldn't
like being booed just when they announced my name.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
It's not going to affect how I go up there.
But so but then when yes, we scored the second
run and most certainly the third run, you could hear
and to me, it immediately felt like, like you said,
it was a month's worth of disappointment as to how
this team limped into the playoffs. They were kind of
watching it unfold and feeling like, we're running out of outs.
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Our season is going to be over in fifteen outs
from now. And the difference is obviously the players on
that team. They most certainly didn't feel it.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
And they put together a string of quality at bats
against typically successful relievers. I mean, Bizardo had a terrific year,
Spire had a terrific year, and he looked unhittable in
the first two appearances that he made in this series. So,
you know, I realized that the conversation of how we
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lost this game, a lot of people feel it starts
with the decision to take Bryce Miller out of the game.
I thought Softie had a really enlightening point, a very
honest point with himself. He wanted to be able to
point the finger at somebody to blame them because he
was angry that they lost the game. I don't think
you can point that finger at Dan Wilson. I think
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they marched in with the game plan that Bryce Miller
is going to come out the moment it looks like
he's getting into trouble. And this is nothing new for
this series. I mean, George Kirby had four shutout innings
and didn't make it through the fifth. Luis Castillo had
four shutout innings and didn't make it through the fifth,
and Bryce Miller had four shutout innings and didn't make
it through the fifth. So not only was it not
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new to this series that that's the kind of the moment,
that's the you know who or get off the pot
kind of moment with your starter, that the organization was
planning on making that decision if they got into any
trouble and you're looking at third time through the rotation
the lineup potentially, but for this game in particular, with
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Bryce Miller being clearly the fifth best starter in the organization,
this year. I thought there was going to be a
really quick hook, so I wasn't if anything, and I
know this gonna sound strange. I was more surprised they
didn't take him out after the Torkosen single to start
the inning. Then I was surprised that they took him
out after the Dingler double that scored the tigers first run.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So I don't know. I get that you're angry, but.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I don't think unless you were saying the whole time
Bryce stays in for seven innings, then I don't think
you can hindsight wait to see Spire and Bizardo cough
up the lead and any chance of coming back, and
then start pointing fingers at Dan Wilson. I think he
handled it like I believed he was going to and
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like I think he should have handled it.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, well, you know, I'm not one that is quick
to jump in because I don't think that you I'm
going to have a super strong opinion if I don't
have all of the information. I'll say this though, in
the moment, as I watched Gabe go out there and
struggle to one not relinquish the run that Bryce Miller
left on second base, but then also give up his
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own right. He just didn't have the same stuff that
he typically does the next inning. So then they tie
it up, and you go into the next inning, and
we get a couple guys on with two outs, and
then that's when I was talking about Randy Rose. Arena
gets out with the out, two guys on, two outs,
so they put up a zero, which is exactly what
you want to do as the opposing pitching staff. We
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just tied it up. Go put up a zero, especially
when you're the home team, because now you're writing the
momentum from the previous inning. You wrote it through the
possible hiccup in the top of the sixth, and now
you get hitting them. And yet what That's where Dan
Wilson says, I have to trust Gabe here. You're not
going to bring in Caleb Ferguson after what we watched
the day before, and that's your only other left he
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to go against Riley Green, who has substantially different splits,
especially power numbers, righty's versus lefties. Oh, it's nobody but Gabe. Well,
because I think it's the right decision, but it's one
that you should you could think about. If you're saying
Gabe is not Gabe right now what I watched it. Yes,
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that's where I was thinking in the moment. This is
before the home run. I'm thinking because it's one of
those they will They've taken him out before against lefties. Now,
if you switch to another picture and it's not going
to be another lefty, he's obviously not coming out. But
then it's okay. Do I trust that he's going to
get the lefty out like he typically does, or is
this where maybe I go to brash because I'm writing
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that fine line of momentum that they they stole from
us when they scored three and tied it up. They're
gaining on it by putting up a zero in the
top of the sixth. That might have been a situation
where I said Brash, I'm going brash, and I might
go the next two innings with Brash, hope we score
in the next couple of innings, and then I go
Munnos from maybe two outs to two innings to close
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it out. I'm not saying I'm I think he did
the wrong thing, because I don't think it's the wrong thing.
I'm saying in the moment, I was thinking, I don't
know for sure if I would have trusted Gabe simply
based on how I saw the last inning play out.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I mean, I get what you're saying. I would say
two things to that. Number One, that he did seem
to settle I mean, he gave up two hits in
that inning that tied the game, and then he did
kind of settle down after he got the next two
hitters out on weak ground balls. And his job is
to get left handers out, their best left handers, and
you've got their best hitter coming up next in Riley Green.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Who struggles severely against lefties.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So I think number one, they read that all right,
he got off to a rocky start, But I think
maybe he's fixed things, and this is the reason that
we have him in this situation.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
There's a reason we brought him in.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
We wanted him to have to face this gauntlet and
have aj Hinch have to make a decision whether or
not he wanted Kerry Carpenter, Colt Keith and Riley Green
to hit and Parker Meadow's against our best left hander,
or if he wanted to take him out of the
game and make things easier for us later on in
the contest. So I think it's the whole reason that
he was there. I get that he was struggling. He
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obviously struggled, but I think that he ironed things out.
I think the other thing was because you did have
the extra game in hand, that it wasn't Matt Brash
two innings time yet, and Dan's head, I think it
is tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Like, if you need.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Matt Rash to go two innings tomorrow, I think he'd
go tomorrow. I think Andre's Munoz could go two innings tomorrow.
But I think with the extra game in hand, I
don't think it was matt Rash two innings day yet.
I don't think that they had reached that mindset to
this point. So I mean, I honestly I love the
way Softy put it. I want to be able to
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blame a manager here because I'm angry that they did,
but I just think that they went with the game
plan and I look, Gabe Spier has been the key,
I said at the beginning of the series, but I
didn't expect it to unfold like this. He has been
the key to this entire series. He was the key
for you didn't go to him in Game one one
when you should and may have lost the game because
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of it. You did go to him at the right
time in game number two and may have won the
game because of it. And then you went to him,
I thought, at the right time yesterday, and for whatever reason,
he didn't have it and he handed game number four
to the Detroit Tigers. But I don't see how Dan
Wilson as a button that predicts the future.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
There.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That was the moment they were planning to move away
from Miller.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
They were planning to move away from him the moment
it looked.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Like he was getting into any trouble, and it happened
to come in the fifth and their plan was to
go to Spire when that happened, as long as those
lefties were starting to line up, I think he went
exactly according to game plan, and I think it was
the right game plan, and it just blew up in
their faces. Spire just didn't have it. Bizardo just didn't
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have it. And if you could have predicted that, well,
you shouldn't be on this earth, you know, you should
be somewhere else, you know, kind of predicting the fate
of the worlds. If you could predict that they were
going to pitch that poorly, yesterday, because I haven't really
much aught all this season.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
No, no, and I'm with you, but I mean, I'm,
without a doubt, a guy that knows and understands and
lives by the eye. I know that no one has
a button to predict the future. I'm saying, that's where
the game plan. I'm just saying people that were angry,
I don't. I don't. I don't second guess things because
of outcomes. It was more of a feel to me,
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do I I get. I think it's the right choice
to send gave back out there for that for the
what was it the sixth inning, right, and then where
he gives up the home run and then you bring
Bizarreo in and the wheels absolutely fall off. I think
it was the right call. And yet there's a part
of me in the moment before the home run happened saying,
I don't know for sure if I'm if. I just
trust that he's himself right now. Today he just didn't
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look like it, even though yes, he did end up
getting a couple of week ground balls and and figured
out it looked like he had settled in. It still
is one like man. And I know that, Yes, maybe
because you had a game in the bag that you
could you could afford to do that, and your season's
not over. Maybe it's not two innings. If anything, if
we talk about how you manage differently in the postseason,
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I game one of a next series, if we get there,
if it said, if my gut tells me, and the outcome,
because it's not your best option against a lefty even
more than Gabe Spier might be Matt Brash.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, more often than not, Spiers come through in that moment.
And you don't read any evidence that Matt Brash is a.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Two innings pitcher this season. None. Well, I hadn't done it.
I don't get well, he hasn't done it. Obviously coming
off Tommy John to me, he can throw. I mean,
you're not gonna have him out there for forty pitches
over two innings. But if he goes out there and
goes nine pitches, and he goes out there the next inning,
goes twenty two or twelve pitches or fifteen pitches, he
can throw twenty five thirty pitches in an inning.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Be fine, All right, Well it's a loss, sorry about it.
And yet so we get this opportunity. This is the
way you got to look at it. You got an
opportunity to watch a game five, deciding game in your
own ballyard, with forty seven thousand of your closest baseball
friends showing up to see if we can pull this
thing off Friday night at five o'clock. That you gotta
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be as excited as paulmer Edley.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
She can't wait. Yes, it really will be even sweeter
if we do it at home. Yes, yeah, sure so,
I mean the opportunity of the best possible outcome, a
walk off, most enterta home. Yeah. I did say we're
due for another special A L D S moment. You know,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
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to deep rite in the bottom of the ninth down
one against will Vest to the A L C S
out and see us getting will Vest. Let me crystal
ball that mother blankers.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
From the when we got to where we knew we
were playing Detroit, I thought we're gonna get will Vest.
We're gonna we taught him how to become a decent picture.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And you can all your secrets beard out all you want,
but I know you're really Tim Booth.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
That's who you are tricking us, not triggering us.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Tim Booth doesn't have nasty strikeout stuff now with the
season on the line, everybody knows that. That's why the
Associated Press was glad to get rid of them all right,
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get yourself a I got the salmon breakfast when I
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cream cheese and scrambled eggs.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
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Speaker 1 (20:38):
Oh, and then just kind of opened up the big
window with the curtains.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Oh you did room sirs, Yeah, I did room sirvice. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I wasn't gonna leave on a Sunday where it was
a Saturday morning. And then that was the day of
Game two, no game one, it was Game one yeah,
yeah huh. And then just had just this unbelievable panoramic
view of Bucky's backyard.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I'm outside alley. It's basically the best yea and casino.
That hotel looks amazing. I thought you maybe would have
went down into that little area where where Furnace Iron
Furnace like does his show from and then went out
on that.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I ate their dinner the night before, and I stayed there,
and I did consider that, but I kind of wanted just.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Like solitude, look out the window by yourself, because you're naked, yeah,
self nudity, Yeah, salmon bagels and nakedness. Just kind of
rubbed that cream cheese. That's that's what the kids call
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Speaker 2 (21:50):
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Speaker 1 (21:55):
All right, well, let's do the abcs of the MS here.
We're here in Detroit, and so obviously the A b
c's of the.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
MS of PHILP. You know more at home. You know
what I'm saying that we're with the team. Yeah, during
the season.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
The we left off of the letter P yesterday, so
that's where we'll pick it up. He is four pitchers,
and Bucky can say all he wants about pitchers, but
let's face it. This is this is why we're not
breaking down who's gonna hit fifth going into Game number five?
Now are we We're wondering who's gonna pitch for the
Mariners to start the game, and we know who's gonna
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pitch for the Tigers. And he's the single solitary reason
why Vegas says the Tigers are favored to win this game.
So pitchers, it's all about pitchers on Friday night.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Well, we're gonna have to score some so it's, uh,
somebody's gonna have to go out there some day or
our pitchers gotta shut some fools out. Yeah, and typically, Yeah,
Vegas gets it and understandably so. I mean the fact
that he has what a two to e ra or
something again this year probably gonna win another side, young,
you're not gonna get a ton of runs. I mean,
chances are now he's human. Maybe he shows up and
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I don't know, parties, has like a too much jungle
juice or something the night before. Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe that's what they make friends. Yeah, maybe that's what
he has. I don't know exactly. Maybe he just gets
too riled up and can't throw a strike. Something would
be wonderful, But yeah, it is going to boil. It's
gonna boil down to how how long can we go
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punch for punch with him? And then who's gonna take
advantage offensively on either team when when a mistake is made,
because they will be made. Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It feels to me kind of like just kind of
the same Game two analysis, Like, I think it's gonna
be one to one late, too too late to one late.
I think that's what we're looking at. And then if
we can get him out of the game, I mean,
he'll go even further than what he did the first game.
He went seven innings the first game and it came
out after ninety five pitches. Well, he's on full rest
through the rotation, and so if they need to push
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him to eighth inning, ninth inning, I mean, I think
they'll push him to the brink as opposed to entering
into that bullpen. Frankly, I'm kind of glad Troy Melton's
not pitching. I mean, they don't give an MVP to
the Alds, but right now the Tiger's MVP of the
Alds is Troy.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Freaking Melton, who well thoughts saw that come up. Yeah, well,
no one including Troy Melton, considering he gave up like
six runs or four runs or something like a third
of an Indian against Cleveland in the previous series. So
I mean, that's that is a prime example as to
why I don't trust relief pitchers. You have to trust him,
You got to use them. But they didn't think he
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was going to come out here and shut us down
one time and then yesterday come out there and for
three innings, because it was three different innings that he
came out there, got had a little bit of an issue,
and yet wiggled his way off the hook. He most
certainly was a contributor to letting them keep the momentum
that they had seized.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
All Right, we kind of resigned ourselves between Bucky and
I to Luis Castillo's starts. Kirby comes out of the bullpen.
I prefer to start an inning, not to come in
with any kind of traffic or to start out of
the stretch or anything like that. But all hands on deck.
That includes I mean, if you've got to get six
seven outs out of Munnos, you get six seven outs
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if he's strong and mowing them down. So all hands
on deck for this when it comes to the pitchers,
Q is for questionable. I mean it ended up. I
don't know. I mean maybe sliding doors. It does impact
the outcome. I'm not going to make too big of
a deal out of an umpire's call when your relievers
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give up nine runs over the course of four innings.
But man, I don't know how that foul ball I
think down the third base line was called fair, and
we all understand that as long as it goes over
the base, and even just the you know, the arc
just takes it over the base, it doesn't have to
land fair on the other side of the bag. But
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I don't see how it even went over the bag fair.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Did you No? No, it looked from the press box
it looked foul for sure. And then I'm like, okay,
I don't have a real good angle on it. I mean,
typically you can see a ball, I mean if it
bounces like within a foot. Now, when it hits again
past third base, it doesn't have to be fair, like
you just said. But if it's like within a foot,
you're like that quite possibly could have been hooking over
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the base. This thing was a foot and a half
two feet left of the foul pult where it hits.
It was a high arc.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
It's a higher arc than you normally see from a
foul ball in that say.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
And unfortunately, it's not something you can challenge. Any ball
that basically hits in fair play in front of the umpires,
you can't challenge it. They're just saying, Nope, that guy's
looking right down the line. He has the best view
of anybody. We have to take his word on it.
But to me, that seemed like it seemed like the
wrong call. And that's probably partially my heart talking, but
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it also seemed like when you're talking about sliding doors,
that was Zzardo's first guy that he faced. All of
a sudden, it's a double, and and then uh and
and and so now you just lost the lead to
Spier's home run or the home run that Spired gave up.
And then he all of a sudden gives up the double.
Then McKinstry goes single, then you pick him off, and
then all of a sudden, they still end up attacking
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a couple more on later on, and then Bias kind
of blows it out. That was the biggest turning point
in the game. I mean, the turning point when they
caught back up was huge. The home run and then
the rest of that inning. What happened after that double
was called fair is where the basically the wheels fell off.
So finally that, as I said, I was so mad,
I was yelling out the television.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It looked like a terrible call. And you have extra
umpires for the playoffs. I mean, you're you're showing they're
showing the bad call in my estimation, and you see
two umpires standing there watching it go down, and yet
it's not reviewable, so you just had to go with it. Again,
I'm not gonna blame any I'm not gonna come anywhere
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close to blame and the loss on it. I blame
the loss on Spire and Bizardo, and not out of anger.
They just didn't have it yesterday. But nonetheless, it did
look like a terrible call, and you expect better in
the playoffs when you have extra eyeballs on the problem. Finally,
r is four reserves. I don't get the canzone pinch hit.
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I mean I understand maybe a little later on in
the game, but when he is one for one with
an RBI single that got your scoring started, and his
splits against lefties are kind of on par with Mitch Garver's.
I get that Mitch Garver is better against lefties, but
he's not really better than Dom against lefties. I don't
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understand why you make that decision and then lose can Zone.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
For the rest of the game. It makes zero sense.
If there's one thing that beritained me the most. And
I know that part of this is because I look
through Pooh colored glasses whenever I see Garver. It was
a horrible decision. Not a big seller by the way. Yeah,
but then people didn't like him. But kan Zone comes
up and sees one pitch and scorches an RBI single
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to right field, and then all right, thanks kid, go
sit down because we're gonna bring in Mitch Garver. Oh god,
I mean, he did the best thing you can got it.
He he did the best possible thing he could do
battle for a walk, and it did put us in
a basis loaded situation. So he did his job to
the best of his ability. Uh. And yet it just
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is one of those you then have to think you're
doing this in the fourth inning, You're there's gonna be
another rioting that's gonna come in, meaning you're gonna then
have to go to Luke Rayley. And I love Luke Rayley,
but Luke Rayley has had a bad year. He's been injured.
Now when Luke's up there for two times, you're like,
just throw let one get away inside so he can
turn into it because he's just not having good abs
full Bobby Grove on it. One hundred. To me, it
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was a you just you just made your offense worse
by taking canzone out right there. And now we're probably
gonna see Garver starting at d H and set of
canzone since we're going against Jerk Scouble. Let me get
him out of the game earlier.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, well considering, yeah, then then he could get pinch
hit for the second at bat.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
So there you go. That's the logic. I would imagine
they will start him. Yeah, and if Scooble goes deep
into the game, he's just dice Garver up three times.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
M Yeah, that was a that was I thought a
mistake from Dan too early of a poll.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Just go ahead and let him get one more at.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
That I mean, you're even up at that point, Yeah,
so just give him the at bat and like if
you kick it, you kick it.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
It's not like, oh man, what kind of damage would
Garver have done there? You kind of walk? No one
thought that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
All right, coming up next, if you didn't hear my
conversation with Logan Gilbert after the game last night, we'll
replay it for you. Sports Radio ninety three point three
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Bucky Jacobson.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's Ashley Ryan with you, Chucking Buck in the morning.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Sports Radio ninety three point three KHARFM. We've been on
the road the last three days covering for you the
American League Divisional Series, and it is going to go
to a fifth game tomorrow at five o'clock. Certainly a
crushing loss for the Mariners. Yesterday they were up three
to nothing. I think they could sense, maybe they couldn't
yet smell or taste victory and wrapping up the division
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in four games, but I think everybody had a sense
that it was moving in that direction, only for it
to fall apart, starting in the bottom of the fifth
when Detroit scored three times, and then four more times
in the sixth, and then before it's over with, it
looks like a blowout. In the box score. Nine to
three is the final score. So needless to say, when
I went down to the clubhouse after the game last night,
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I wasn't dealing with a bunch of professional athletes in
a good mood.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
That was a somber tone certainly in the locker room.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
But I did have a chance to catch up with
a guy that really didn't participate in the game yesterday
or contribute to the loss. And that is a starting pitcher,
Logan Gilbert, who went in game number three. But this
is a guy that's been with the Mariners his entire career,
is beloved in the locker room, and to me felt
like a great guy to chat with to get the
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sense of how the locker room was feeling after blowing
that game. So here's my conversation last night with Logan.
What can you say tough one tonight? You didn't play Obviously,
you didn't pitch, obviously, but but I mean talk about
your team and it's resilience and how Logan Gilbert's.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Not worried how you're going to bounce back from this.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, I think any time in the year we've gotten
in a point where we had to win, or things
had to change or whatever, we've kind of come through.
So I think we're in a really good spot. Our
arms are ready to go, our bats are good, and
so obviously you want to win this one. But I
think going back to T Mobile especially, it's really hard
to be us in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I know how close you guys are as pictures, and
we were talking about it a lot on today's show.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
And so when a guy like Gabe.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Who's been so good all year along and Bizardo has
been so good all year long, struggle like they did
in a big moment, what do you guys do to
rally around them and pick them up.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, it doesn't change anything. I mean that's they've proven
who they are for years now, so stuff looks great.
We have all the confidence in the world and those
guys and they've saved my runs and other runs plenty
of times. So, like I said, I think our arms
are in a really good position.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
The entire crowd in Detroit felt like they'd given up.
I mean, they just felt like they were dead in
the water. How are you guys feeling before they started
turning things around.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I mean, I thought we did a good job for
most of the two games, kind of taking the crowd
out of it, even getting the early start today, Bruce
looked great. We got a couple of runs right away,
so from that standpoint, things look good. And I mean
there were some emptcs too, like it wasn't sold out
or anything, so it's kind of crazy to see that
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in a playoff game. But I think, just focus on
what we can do and get ready for Game five.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Keep in mind he can overhear you. But what did
you think of Bryce today? I don't want to be
too nice.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
He looked good. He looked really good.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I told him after.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
That's probably the best I've seen him in a long time,
and that's how he's been for a couple of weeks
now in bullpens and even games. But stuff wise and execution,
everything was there. So it's fun to see what you
think Friday is going to be, Like Loud, It's gonna
be fun.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Good luck man, Thank you Logan Gilbert after the game
last night. Yeah, I know he didn't participate in the
contest yesterday, but that's that's lovable Walter right there. Everybody
on the team loves him, respects him, and I thought,
this is a good person right now to talk about
this team and it's mindset, and I thought that he
represented it pretty well.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, well, I mean that's the beauty of you down
there and getting that as I want the fans, who
obviously are frustrated and scared and worried about the fact
that there's a game five when you could have possibly
won it right there and things were looking good for
the first half of the game, is to get the
impression of what they're feeling. And that's not just talk, right.
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I mean, he maybe wouldn't say if there was a worry, right.
I mean, do you think that they were flying flying
back from Detroit last night not knowing, Okay, we got
to go do it against Google. That's no easy task.
They get it. They recognize that they just made the
task harder on themselves by the way in which a
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couple guys came in and didn't do what they typically would.
But to me, I think it's great to get the impression.
I bet if you go around and ask all those guys,
they might be a little bit shorter and might be
a little bit frustrated because of the way that second
half of the game went. And yet none of them are.
None of them are just like well, Vegas says we're
going to lose so we just screwed that up and
that's the beauty of it, and it's it's uh yeah,
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it's uh. It creates more stress for sure. I mean
I'm more stressed now than I was, you know, the
fourth inning of yesterday's game. But at the same time,
it's I still just think it could be that much sweeter.
And if there's one thing this this team likes is drama.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Well, I mean I think fans, uh, you know, fans
ride the roller coaster of emotions. Analysts, talk show hosts,
we sort of stir up that conversation certainly, and some
of us get a little more over the top than
others when it comes to this sort of thing. But
people need to always keep in mind the players really
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don't operate that way. The longer they've been, the higher
they reach in terms of the level. I mean, even
gave Spier, I thought he was going to be beside himself.
I thought maybe he would be one of the guys
that grabbed his bag and snuck out the back and
didn't want to face the media. And not only did
he face the media, I mean he was he didn't
even he's out of like that happens. I mean, sound
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like he was blaming himself or hard on himself or
anything like that. He was disappointed that he didn't get
the results, but he it was all about let's get
ready for game number five. Even Cow, every single question
that Cow was asked by the media, I think he
slipped in there. Hey, it's just all about game five.
(37:20):
I think everything they could have asked him. What's your
favorite sandwich?
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Game five? You know, you know what was your what
was your first word? Game five? Yeah? Yeah, Well, I
mean that's the beauty of competition. And the more you play,
the longer you play, the more competition you've experienced. Part
of competition as you sometimes fail. I mean we were
talking about yesterday and with a lot of people that
(37:47):
boy JP Crawford's throws offline. Think about how many throws online? Right? Oh,
Josh Nator made a big air for us then yesterday.
You see him as a ball magnet now that he's
a dad, and he made all of them and made
some really smart plays along with it. It's just it's
what you want. You want the opportunity to succeed, But
what comes with that is the opportunity to fail. Yeah,
(38:07):
what's your favorite taco topping? Game five. All right, Ryan
Healy will join us at nine point thirty.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
But in the meantime, coming up next on the program,
we have a major sporting event to starting here in
Seattle tonight, the start of the hockey season. And even
though this has been a mostly baseball show, there's no
doubt how big of an event. This is blue carpet
treatment for tonight's crack An opener. And you know how
we celebrate big events. That's right, we draft next. Sports
(38:34):
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