November 20, 2025 • 36 mins
12th Man Roundtable with HUGH MILLEN and GREGG BELL (Tacoma News Tribune) Before we look ahead to this weekend, we need to go back and look at Sam Darnold and the loss to the Rams last Sunday. :30- We return with the Roundtable and the Seahawks are once again dealing with O-Line issues. Can they piece together a decent line to face the Titans and protect Sam Darnold? :45- We wrap up the 12th Man Roundtable with game predictions, keys to the game and one last thing from Hugh.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Chuck Buck and Ashley with you here on this Thursday.
It's time for our twelfth Man round table with our
Seahawks insider, Greg Bill, and also our QB one and
also musicficionado as well.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, Hugh Millan's at all this.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yeah, he's like Casey casem who can break down a
pass pattern.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Oddly love music, but if you offered me one thousand
dollars to go to a piano and press the sea,
I'd have a one in sixteen chance.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
You can appreciate Mozart. You just aren't Mozart something like that.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, all right, well, good to have you guys with us.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's time to round table it up here on a Thursday,
and we got a lot to discuss. Let's go back
to Sunday, a two point loss to the Los Angeles Rams,
four turnovers in the game by Sam Darnold and the Seahawks,
and then of course still had a chance to win
the game late. So Greg, I'll just start big picture
(01:00):
with you, and rarely do we start with a big
quick picture question, but we're a few days removed from it.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
What do we think we learned.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
About the Seahawks on Sunday at this stage in the process,
they go ahead to ad against the team they need
to beat eventually to take this division. Made it close,
shot themselves in a foot a few times. Where do
we think the Seahawks sit after having played such a
big regular season game.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Big picture, they're fine for the playoffs. They're going to
be eight and three after this weekend in Nashville. But
the bigger concern is they still are below the Rams
and the forty nine ers, and that means road playoff games,
Wildcard maybe one win, and then a second round game
in Philadelphia Detroit and see you later.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
That's been their history for the last ten years.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
And so if you take that as a bigger picture
and then narrowed down what they've done since to try
to fix that. They fired Pete Carroll, they brought in
two new offensive coordinators in two years. They traded their quarterback,
They signed a new quarterback to one hundred million dollar contract.
They redid the defense with Ernest Jones in the trade
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last year, and Nick emn Worry and so on.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
All the changes they've made. As we sit right here
right now.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
There's still no better in their own division, and that's damning.
But they are much closer to being better than the
Rams and the forty nine ers than they've been in
a decade, So the next seven games will determine whether
they in fact can get there. They had the Rams
again at home on a Thursday night in mid December,
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and they end the season at the forty nine Ers.
They'll be favored in pretty much every other game up
to between those two games, So what's left for them
will determine whether how far they've come on their big
picture request to get back to division superiority. The fact remains,
if Darnold doesn't throw four interceptions, they win that game.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
The Rams.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I'm sure you has already said this on the air
of this station this week. The Rams had only one
touchdown drive, one drive where they actually had to go
more than the half the field. Their two other touchdown
drives were three yards and twenty five yards thanks to
Sam Donald turning the ball over deep in his own end.
So if you can extrapolate back to when the Rams
played the Seahawks and lumen Field last year, thirteen points
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in regulation by the offense against Seattle's defenses. She was
talked about Mike McDonald in the last two real games
out there in the JV game in January in Englewood.
Mike McDonald has had Sean mcvay's number like nobody else
in the league. Thirteen points in regulation in November last
year in Blumenfield, seven points. Having to drive the field
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against Seattle the other day without getting handed the game.
Donald's turnovers, we talked about it even before the Rams game.
That's a concern. When you're tied with tuatunguea Iola for
the most turnovers in the league at that position, that's
a problem no matter who they're playing, including Tennessee this week.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Hugh out concerning was the game by Sam Darnold on Sunday,
and then big picture, do we have the right quarterback
going forward?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, first of all, if I can respond to, I
agree with a lot or most of what Greg said. Greg,
I think that the tenor of your sense that hey,
they're just behind the Rams. Yeah, they're behind the Rams
in the standings right now. But the Seahawks are the
of all the contenders looked at them all. They're the
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only team that has a new quarterback and a new
coordinator on offense. The Seahawks are the fifth youngest team
in the NFL. Yeah, they had a game where the
quarterback lost it. He had four interceptions. All four of
those are double minuses. But when you consider all the
positives that will likely discuss here, I feel like they're
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right there. They're seven and three. They have a two
to three record. That's four hundred against the other playoff teams.
That doesn't sound very good. Well, guess what of the
fourteen teams, there's only two that have a winning record
against them. You know, last year, out of fourteen playoff teams,
eight of the fourteen had a three point thirty three
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win percentage or worse against other playoff teams. So they're
fine in regard to what their schedule is. It's going
to come down to the December eighteenth game. As for Darnold,
look the interceptions. Again, I am not excusing those interceptions, Chuck,
you know, but I think there's a lot of things
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going around it. Like the first one, I think it
was a poor scheming where they had the Zabel fan
out to help the left tackle and the right guard
was going to be fanning out eventually on his side.
That was Olua Timmy one on one. As a general axiom,
you don't want to have centers on an island against
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with both guards dividing. I would have rather had Charles
Cross on verse and had the tight end ship and
then released in the flag. He was going in the
flat anyways with press coverage, Cooper Cup, don't go nineteen
yards man, you got a hole. You got to shorten
up that route. So now he's holding the ball. So
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there's things going on again. It's the quarterback. It's his fall.
The second one, he gets hit in two point one second,
Sam Bradford. Excuse me, Anthony Bradford is totally oblivious to
the stunt and he gets hit right in the in
the lips on a on a pass. So there's people
breaking down around him. As Greg Olsen said on the
third interception, the bender Elijah Royo, he'd like to have
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it bend in. I still give Sam Donald a double minus.
I think he saw yellow light. I think he should
have seen a red light. But as for the big picture,
I mean Sam Donald his first forty nine games, he
won thirty five percent of his games in his career.
Then three exactly three years ago November twenty seventh to
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twenty twenty two, when he's twenty five years old. That's
when everything clicked. He went from winning thirty five five
percent of his games in the last thirty four games,
he's won seventy four percent of them. Number of passer
rating games over one hundred, he went from sixteen percent
of his games being over one hundred a triple digit
passerway to sixty eight percent. What is sixty eight percent
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of your times when you get a triple digit? In
Pat Mahomes' entire career, he's sixty one out of one
hundred and twenty two, exactly fifty percent, and only one
of those was his rookie year. The second year is
an MVP. And then as far as the big games,
people are talking about the big game, I'm gonna quote
Don James from November seventeenth of nineteen ninety nine in
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a local paper quote, the biggest game is always the
one you lost. You never get credit for the ones
you win for being a big game. So Sam Donald
went fourteen and three last year. He beat Green Bay twice.
They would have been thirteen to four had had Sam
Donald not beat him. Well, Donald in those games at
one hundred and twenty three pass right sixteen beat the
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Houston Texans when they won their division. He had one
hundred nineteen passer rating. How about the game against Seattle
when Seattle needed to have a win against the Vikings
of the Packers. He comes in here, beats the Seahawks
twenty seven to twenty four, has one hundred and twelve
passer rating. So all these things like he's had big
games and then and then and then to close it
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off last year in the playoff, I'll say against the
Lions that last game he was poor. Gotta be better.
But that RAM playoff game doesn't matter. Who was the quarterback.
Remember the Super Bowl, Pat Mahomes had seven seventeen pressures
running for his life after three quarters, he had a
fifty three passer rating. In the air, they were down
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thirty four to six. We had seventeen pressures. Donald had
twenty seven in that RAM game. There's more on my
notes here. I just think that that Sam Sam there's
enough evidence that Sam Donald, and I mean touch on
the call is stuff. There's enough evidence that Sam Arnold
has a clutch gene, or certainly that he doesn't have
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a wilt gene. We just don't have a lot of
data set and we'll see. But the guy's been balling
and you know I can't wait for his redemption opportunity
in a month against the Rams. Greg.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, well, you're right. The wins and losses his career
is absolutely u turn. Of course, he started with the
Jets and the Panthers, and he's been with the Vikings
and the Seahawks. That'll turn around anybody's career. The bottom
line is the guy who has the ball in every
play can't turn the ball over more than anybody else
in the league. And whether it's them dropping in the
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box coverage, as Cooper Cup explained to me after the
game in Englewood on Sunday, and then running a safety
out or vice versa, having a too high show look
at the snap and then running the safety down, he himself.
Darnold said he was a victim of holding onto the
ball tom after the game on Sunday, and a couple
times he admitted he could just throw the ball straight
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into the turf and avoid an interception or a sack.
The third interception in particular, fourth interception in particular, the
jump pass to a Royo. He was trying to avoid
the sack because he was on the edge of field
goal range. In a twenty one to twelve game with
six minutes left, and he said after the game he
was preoccupied with not losing the five or six yards
on that sack that would have pushed him out of
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field goal range, which is why he got rid of
the ball at the last second to a royal. And
then he said, I should have just dirted the ball.
It's the nature of the position. Hugh knows that more
than any of us. If the quarterback when they lose,
he gets the blame. If he wins that game, he
would get all the credit for rallying at the end
despite the four interceptions. It's you can make a case
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the Seahawks' three losses are because Sam Donald did not
take care of the ball in the crunch time of
the game. Forty nine ers red zone, a minute and
half left, Abe Lucas gets pushed into by Nick Posa,
Donald doesn't secure the ball, fumble lost, seventeen thirteen, Buccaneers
tied four minutes left, Seahawks in their own end. He
doesn't recognize the safety plitz, he doesn't get rid of
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the ball, and toin Winfield hits him, revolts in an
interception off of the alignment's helmet, gifted the Buccaneers the
winning field goal and then the Rams the other day.
That's part true of any team. If your quarterback turns
over the ball, those are your losses. But you could
trace Sam Darnold taking either sacks or throwing the ball
into the ground, and the Seahawks could be nine to one,
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ten and oer right now, that's not a stretch. And
there are a lot of people around the organization in
the locker room upstairs in the building who think, if
we can just get the quarterback and the offense to
not turn over.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
The ball, that they would be a division champion.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well, it does get credit for how many wins we
got for how well he played as well. But I'll
throw it to you, Hugh, did we have a turnover
issue with Sam because the statistics might suggest that we do.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Well. Let's first of all, talk, not every fumble is
created equal. A running back has to have the five
points of pressure the chest, the bicep, the forearm, the
thumb side of the hand, and the finger side of
the hand. When you're running a quarterback who's in the pocket,
if he has both hands on the pocket, there is
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more of a burden on him than if he's passing.
If he has begun the act of passing and his
right hand is separated, if he barely gets hit on
his wrist, he's going to fumble. And so if he's
in the forty nine er game, if he's looking, he's
thrown to the left flat and his vision is to
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the left flat and the right tackle gets overrun early
in the down and he has already separated his hands.
Are we evaluating a quarterback fumble like a running back fumble?
That's nonsensical to me. And as far as as the turnover,
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the Pro Football Focus has what's called turnover worthy plays,
so they try and balance out. Hey, sometimes you deserve
an interception. You threw it right to the defender, caught it,
had two hands on the ball, but he dropped it.
What they say is that should have been an interception.
And then there's other times they say, wait a minute,
that's not the quarterback's fault, like when aj Barner got
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overrun against Arizona and he bounced the ball off the
helmet up with through no fault of his own. So
PFF has Sam Darnold with ten turnover worthy plays. You
know who has more, Drake May the Vegas odds for
winning the MVP. Bo Nicks also leading the AFC, also
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an MVP candidate, Pat Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, and many others.
And then that's offset against big time throw percentage. He's
number two in the NFL and big time throws only
one behind Stafford. But the percent that he has, the
percent of his passes that, in the judgment of PFF
is a big time throw seven point six percent, he's
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number one in the NFL. So I ask you in August,
if I had told you that at this juncture, the
Seahawks would be seven to three, that they would be
number three in the NFL in scoring, that their quarterback
would be number two graded Pro Football Focus on Passer,
that the quarterback would be number one in yards per dropback,
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number one in yards per ten And on the off target,
this is not PFF. This is the NFL off target
percentage six point six two percent, second lowest, even though
he's stretching the field along. If I had asked you
that in August, and with Seattle being seven to three
young the only team with a new quarterback and a
new offensive coordinator that's in the playoff hunt, what have
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you not taken that for sure. Look, look, I am
not Sam Donald. Lost the RAM game, period, hard stop.
Nothing else is Sam Donald, and he'll tell you that
he did tell you that. That's the nature of the position.
I don't like it any more than anybody else, but
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I think there's a great chance to finish strong. Look.
I was on a Cowboy team that everybody knew we
were the best. This is right in that dynasty winning
super Bowls. Everybody knew we were the best team, and
you could just be the dudes all year long. Is
Seattle or really anybody that good? Who is the best
team in September this year? The Buffalo Bills. Then who
is the best team in October? The Colts and the Packers.
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Who is there in a team that can really just
say we're going to be the best for two months
and take everybody shot and be the hunted. I don't
think Seattle's that good. So the fact that they're seven
and three and they can be the hunter and then
all they got to do is be healthy at the
end of the season, win enough games to have a
good seed and be peaking. And I think it's damn
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hard to take all those shots. So this could have
been a blessing that they lost to Seaoffs. But I'm
not putting in these these big things like like like
we can't turn this thing around. I don't know. I
just don't see it that way.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
No, I don't think they're anywhere near not being able
to turn it around. I think that they're making it
harder for themselves if they can't win a division. We
know the history says that the Seahawks, in particular, if
they don't have home playoff games and not going to
Super Bowl and that division title, guys, has been the
number one goal since they hired my not doubt and
they ever won road games at this rate, No, of
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course not but the but the road games and the
playoffs come with a difference. You get to be a
seed and you come with a hot You don't play
just Tennessee Arizona. So I'm telling you the tenor in
the building is the division is there for the taking
if the offense just takes care of themselves, because the
defense will win us games age.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
And then you start granular about.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
The offense, and then we start talking about Darnold in
the run game and the Anthony Bradford and whatnot, But
that they're their opinion is they built this program with
the defense being this good to win this division, and
their defense really I talked to letter Words and locker
room have to be in Englewood, and he said, man,
I want to play the Rams.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Again like tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah, because they think they've got the Rams on defense now.
If they can just get the offense to take care
of the ball and hold up there in that, they
think they can win the division.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I know they lost.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I know their quarterback through four interceptions on Sunday, But
to me, the better team on Sunday lost the football game.
I thought the Seahawks out played the Rams for four quarters,
and yeah, you have to go with you lost.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You lost the game.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
But I thought they had a pretty good showing other
than the four turnovers on Sunday, So I feel good
about where they're at.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
We're going to.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Continue our conversation. It's our twelfth man roundtable here on
this Thursday. We got Greg Beller Seahawks insider. We got
Hugh Millen, our QB one joining us here. We got
to talk about Gray's Abel's health on the other side,
the interior of the offense line, and of course size
up this week's opponent. The lowly Tennessee Titans on Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
She didn't double that in college? Do you have to
have drilled that into her head?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I did drill that into her. I'm proud of her
for retaining it. She's coming home from Connecticut tomorrow for
what Thanksgiving breaks.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
He hasn't been home since summer.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
So you got a gree her with just return of
the mac.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Just oh yeah, she's yeah, she's used to that.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Just kidding with that.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Greg Bell, Hugh Millan with us.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's our twelve man round table Seahawks getting ready for
the Titans. Greg, I'll start again with you in this
segment because I need to know I'll beat up the
interior of the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Is we got?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
We seem to have an Anthony Bradford issue. We know
Sundell's out for a little while longer. What is going
on with Grey's Abel? I shuddered to think that we
wouldn't have him too.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I don't think you're gonna have Grey's Abel.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
It doesn't look like he's going to play at Tennessee,
and Anthony Bradford is well banged up.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
He's going to play.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Jaylenson Della's on injured reserve, so he's not gonna play
for three more games at a minimum. So, yes, the
interior offensive line is an issue. It's been an issue
all season, and now they're missing perhaps two starters.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Christian Haynes, the third round.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Pick from last year from Connecticut who has had multiple
chances to win a starting job at guard, came in
in tough duty because Able got hurt on the touchdown
that Walker had with two and a half minutes to play,
and then Haynes had to come in and play the
ten play frantic drive at the end off their own
one yard line. I talked to him yesterday and he said, yeah,
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there were some things with some pass sets and some
footwork and leaning that I did that I need to
clean up. But it's hard to do what he did
to pretty much watch three hours on the sideline and
then they thrust into with the game on the line
of frantic no huddle drive. So he'll be better obviously
than he was last weekend. The thing about the Titans
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is their defense is pretty good and their best players
on defense Jeffrey Simmons. He often lines up at right
defensive end and right defensive tackle, which means he will
get a lot of time on Christian Haynes his side,
and also with Charles Cross f tackle. That's the matchup
to worry about for Seattle. Jeffrey Simmons can wreck this
game offensively for Seattle.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
He's that good.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
And I still remember the joint practice in Nashville we
went to in twenty twenty four. Simmons looked like an
All Pro against the Seahawks offensive line. Those two practices,
you can bet that there is a lot of this
game plan from Clint Kubiak and the offensive line coaches
about Jeffrey Simmons.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
So, yes, the interior offensive line is a concern. If
I'm the Titans, I'm sending Simmons on Slant's interior to
test out over with Timmy and Christian Haynes. And I'm
sending Blitzer by linebackers and safeties up the middle to
test the interior that line here.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I think we're gonna win on Sunday. But I don't
need to see Sam Darnold running for his life because
they can't protect him up the middle.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Agreed. I mean that's just you know ball in the NFL.
I mean, look, if you're going to have these in
this is the time to do it. If if you
can't beat this feeble a team, then what are we
even talking about? I mean, you guys can just you know,
cancel this show next week, just talk more baseball because uh,
look you're playing the Titans. They're awful and uh and
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so yeah, it's a problem. But if you're you know,
you fancy yourself a decent team, you got to either
overcome it or you know, guys get experience. We'll see.
You know, Christennanes hasn't played much left guard in his career,
is a right guard at Yukon, hasn't played much left
guard as a Sea Hawk, but you know, you know,
tough jobs you gotta go.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Well, maybe this is the week to finally establish you
ken Walker as RB one. We discussed it earlier this
week that maybe it's not as easy as it looks
just to handken Walker the ball twenty times a game
and Zach Charbona is the backup.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
But is it time to just let Canine eat?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Well? I think it gets way past time. I mean,
I'm pretty certain that if we went through, if I
went through and all the podcasts of all the shows
since Canine's been here, I think I'm in the triple
digits of being very unequivocal in my view, Greg that Canine,
you know, is clearly to my eyes, the best guy.
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I don't get it. I don't understand how it's a controversy,
and just to put it in perspective, I'm just weighing
it in terms of Okay, there's the explosive potential for Canine.
I mean he ran a four to three five at
the combine Sarbonney ran a four five three. That's the
difference between being in the fifty fifth percentile versus the
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ninety fifth percentile. It shows up on field in explosive
run percent Canine is fifth in the NFL at all
all running backs with one hundred or more rush attempts.
That's twenty nine. Zach Starbuney is twenty ninth out of
twenty nine. So Canine's literally going to triple your opportunity.
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There's a in the stat portal with the NFL that
I log into avoided tackle percentage. Canine at thirty six
point zero three percent, He's third in the NFL. You
know it has merit and relevance. When Jonathan Taylor's number
one and bjon Robinson is number two. Canine was number
one in that stat last year. If you combined last
year in this year at his thirty four point three percent,
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number one in the NFL. So we're top five in
explosive rate, we're number one in avoided tackle percentage. And
he say, well, what about the just the meat and
potato stuff. If you go successful play percent forty percent
of the need yards on first down, sixty percent of
the need of yards on second down, you still have
a canine has a nominal advanced two percent advantage, So
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you're not losing anything in that regard, and you're picking
up a lot. So when I watch a RAM game
and I see on neutral downs that they run twenty
times and they only throw eleven. They're really committed to
the run. I'm like, hand it to the dude who
has a chance to rip something. You know, that twenty
three yard or little checkdown where he just bursts. There's
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no way any other running back on Seattle can do that.
That stretch play that he got twenty five yards just
you know, it's like you're rolling the dice and every
time you have a chance that he can really pop something.
So to me, Greg, it's K nine. It's K nine
all day. To the extent that you know I get
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third downs, maybe you take him out. I'm exaggerating a
little bit, but there's no question in my mind, both
from the stats and what my eyes tell me, Canine's
got to be the guy. Why are they dragging their
feet on this?
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Then?
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Greg, well, up to now, as we mentioned earlier this week,
it's been managing this foot issue that he had in August,
and they were trying to get him through seventeen games
so he could play in all him So I asked
McDonald this week, is that passed him? And he said yes,
as far as he knows, they're not in managing phase anymore.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
And when I ask him, why not use the more elusive.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Back, the guy that can make tacklers miss, especially in
short yard is in goal line, he said, you're right,
Walker needs more opportunities.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
The play on.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Third and one I mentioned the other day in the
third quarter when they were down fourteen to nine.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
It's third and one and ninety one.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Kobe Turner beat with an immediate swim move Anthony Bradford
and was standing in the backfield two yards behind the
line of scrimmage, ready to dump Walker for a loss
and fourth down on a field goal try.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
If Sharbona is running that, he runs right into Kobe
Turner for a loss of two.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Walker juked to his right and got five yards and
what had a touchdown if the safety hadn't come down
hard and tripped him with a shoe string tackle.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
That's what Walker gives you, and that's what they.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Need more of in the red zone and inside the
tent because they have gone to Sharbona in those situations.
Sharvon ay Lea's a team and touchdowns. Talking about how
he is the fewest yards per carrying in the league.
He has six touchdown runs. The leads the Seahawks because
he gets the ball Shortyarded Gonal'll say this is a
good change. They've got seven games left with Kenneth Walker,
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then his contract ends and they have to decide whether
they want to re up him or not and what
their running back situation is going forward. They owe it
to Walker to give him a full run here and Okay,
if he got hurt, so be it, but they have
got They owe it to him for his career and
for this team's offense to be at its best to
give him full go these last seven regular season games.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Let's see if they start doing it in Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Ay Man greg and a final thought on that, the
two plays that they run the most. The running play,
you got the outside zone, the stretch. You're taking that
ball and you're reading the block of the tight end.
You're trying to get out there, and if the tight
end can hook him, you got to have the speed
to get outside. Did we see That's exactly what we
saw from Canine on that twenty five yard or on
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the stretch play the burst to avoid the And then
the other play is the duo. And what duo is
is you you're down blocking at the point of attack.
It's a strong side play in the a gap, the
strong side guard. You're not pulling a backside guard like
most down blocking has so so do as you're getting
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double teams right in the middle, the running back has
to read the middle linebacker. Now, eventually you would have
a guy get off to the middle linebacker, but the
running back reads the middle linebacker. If he steps up,
then you bounce it to the outside because you've got
all And that's what you had on the Canine touchdown
that called back. That was a duo play. He read
it and and that burst that you have to have
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to use that play in the event that you need
to bounce it. Canine is the only guy that can
do that. And so here you got their top two
scheming plays that need speed and burst, and he's the
guy who has the speed in the burst. Well, Bucky,
right now we're.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Missing Eric Salbert by the way, Yeah, excuse me, they're
missing Eric Saber at the tight end. That was Nick
coller Up who got called back for the hold. That
was a hold bear hugging on the edge of.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I don't agree.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I said, look, it begs the official to call it.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
If you put outside, I think that there are I
think it was a very mild hold. I think Canine
was already out there. And if you like, like I
understand when when you run to the outside, you're more
likely to have those type of holds. But if you
compare that I could get I could produce a thousand
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plays in the NFL on bounce, just that play bounce
duo where there's a far more of a hold and
it's not called. I thought that was the as ticky
tacky as you're liable to see. That was Yeah, still
keeps me up at night.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
All Bucky heard this segment as if the Seahawks lose
to the Titans, we're gonna going to talk a lot
more baseball.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
So don't really want to probably test that though, But okay.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
All right, one more segment.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
We'll get Bucky's prediction, we'll get Greg's keys, we'll get
Hugh's final thoughts. Twelfth Man Round Table Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM. All right, final segment of this
week's edition of The twelfth Man Roundtable starring Hugh Millen
(29:29):
and Greg Bell right here on chucking back in the mornings,
and our final segment we kind of go round the
horn here a little bit. We will start with Greg again. Yeah,
maybe I'm playing favorites today. Starting with Greg alters segments.
But let's get Greg's keys to the game on Sunday
against the one and nine Tennessee Titans laid on us,
mister Bell.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Well offensively, I've already said the key to them is
just containing Jeffrey Simmons and make sure he doesn't wreck
the game. Let's see how much they run Kenneth Walker
and let's see if he gets lead back status or
it still says to be a job share. Walker has
forty five percent of the offensive snaps this season, and
in the game Sarbonate has played, he missed one. He's
got forty nine percent of the snaps. Let's see if
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that changes on Sunday. Defensively, they should overwhelm cam Ward
in this offense. This offense for Tennessee is ranked last
and pretty much every major category.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
They don't run, they don't throw.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
There's their receiver, leading receiver as a tight end who
is is banged up in injured. Simmons by the way,
he didn't practice this or with the hamstring injury, so
that'll be worth watching during the week leading up to
how available he'll be. I can't see Tennessee's offense scoring,
literally can't see him scoring. I think the Seahawks won
twenty to nothing. And wow, Yeah, this is where Mike
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McDonald's defense is. When there are teams that shouldn't move it,
they don't, and there are teams that are some of
the best in the league that should move it that
often don't or have trouble doing it like the Rams
did last week. The Seahawks probably win this game. Maybe
Monday morning, I might regret to saying this, but I
think the Seahawks win this game one hundred and one
times out of one hundred.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I mean I've been doing this a little while, since
I was nineteen years old. That's some years. I don't
know if I've ever heard of football prediction where it
was zero. I even even when you think it's a blowout,
you give the team three points, six point seven points.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I don't know if I've ever heard anyone like.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Legitimately, not like Husky's win thousand to nothing, but legitimately
say they're not going to score a point.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
I love it. I love it, all right, what do
you got, bucket? Well, I mean it's tough to hold
somebody to zero. Now. They have been held to zero
by the Texans the first time they played them, so
they have been shut out this year. I think they'll
put a few points up on the board, but I
don't think it's going to be clear. I think one
somehow just get one point. Yeah, I think that. I
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think it's a blowout. I think coming off that loss,
they're going to be out for blood. I think they're
going against a great team to do it against. I'm
gonna go ahead and say, Seahawks twenty seven, Titans ten.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Twenty seven to ten, give up ten. It's a high standard.
Give up all right, Hugh? How are we going to close.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
This sucker today?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I mean, see where we're going here.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Well, a few weeks back, I'm in that thirty third
team the Think Tank and Mike Tannenbaum asked me to
present on cam Ward. So I studied every single play
of them, and I was just appalled at how bad
they are that their receivers. I mean, Calvin Ridley is
maybe a Sea level.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Guy and he's out, He's out.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, their targets are awful. Uh, the the left tackle
is bad, the right tackle is worse. There's just nothing.
The list of stats that where the Titans, as Greg said,
are thirty second or thirty first. It's too long, both
on both offense and defense. How about starting field position
thirty second dead last? That speaks to their special teams.
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Is a really bad football team, and we don't know
how good cam wore it is because it's a really
bad football team, no excuse. So enough said on that.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's a shutout,
and then you know, I just want to kind of
close it on a topic that I had had said,
you know, for me in looking at the Seahawks, just
remembering they're the sixth youngest offense. The Eagles have Jalen
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Hurts in his fourth a fifth year. Rather, Kellen Moore
is gone, but their offensive coordinator, Kevin Patulo was their
passing game coordinator since twenty twenty one, so there's continuity.
Baker Mayfield, he lost his offensive coordinator, but Josh Grizzard
their passing game coordinator, he stepped up. Matthew Stafford obviously
has five years with McVeigh, you know, Green Bay six
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years quarterback and coach San Francisco. Continuity there even to
New England. Chicago have new Cordon. At least their quarterback
has been in that system for more than a year.
The Seahawks, in that regard, are the newest offense. And
and it really underscored on that fade route where Donald
missed received Shaheed on the go ball just under threw them,
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missed it by three inches. You know, the number two
receiver for the Rams, Davante Adams, he signed on March ninth,
received Shaheed's side on November fourth. Think of all the
reps that they had with Adams in OTAs and and
summer workouts and whatever training camp on what have you.
So Darnald misses a guy that he's only worked with
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for two weeks and he misses it by an inch.
If he hits that, that's a four point differential. Seattle
probably wins just on that play let alone, the four turnovers.
So I think it should be stated that this is
not a mature offense. It's maturing there. They're incline that
their their improvement curve should be far higher than anybody else.
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Is that they're contending with sitting here at seven to three.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
All right, man, let me ask you real quick you
would you have thrown more air into that ball?
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Was that a line drive?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I don't care if you put more air on it
and and get it over or if you feel more
accurate to throw it on a lowered line. It was
press coverage. If it was off coverage, I'd say, yeah,
put more air press coverage. It's okay to line drive
that because you have to. You have your brain has
to process less of a lead. You just got to
be more accurate. Look, I understand if you if you
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put more air over it, then under it rather then
then it goes over the defender's hand. But then it's
you still have to lead him further back to the
back of the end zone, and maybe you don't process
it well. I have no problem with trajectory. It's real simple.
You know, you under threw it, just throw it farther.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Just yeah, yeah, all right, man, awesome stuff today, Thank
you very much.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
We'll talk to you about tomorrow rock and roll. All right,
thank you you, Milling r QB one. He'll be back
with us x's and o is at nine o'clock tomorrow.
Greg Bell will be back.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
At seven o five with tomorrow our Seahawks insider, uh
to discuss further this matchup with the Titans. That none
of you are given the Titans a chance. I'm not either.
I just think that there's a chance it could be
closer than a blowout. But we shall see. Coming up
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It's Chuck Buck and Ashley with you here on this Thursday.
It's time for our twelfth Man round table with our
Seahawks insider, Greg Bill, and also our QB one and
also musicficionado as well.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, Hugh Millan's at all this.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yeah, he's like Casey casem who can break down a
pass pattern.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Oddly love music, but if you offered me one thousand
dollars to go to a piano and press the sea,
I'd have a one in sixteen chance.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
You can appreciate Mozart. You just aren't Mozart something like that.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, all right, well, good to have you guys with us.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's time to round table it up here on a Thursday,
and we got a lot to discuss. Let's go back
to Sunday, a two point loss to the Los Angeles Rams,
four turnovers in the game by Sam Darnold and the Seahawks,
and then of course still had a chance to win
the game late. So Greg, I'll just start big picture
(01:00):
with you, and rarely do we start with a big
quick picture question, but we're a few days removed from it.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
What do we think we learned.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
About the Seahawks on Sunday at this stage in the process,
they go ahead to ad against the team they need
to beat eventually to take this division. Made it close,
shot themselves in a foot a few times. Where do
we think the Seahawks sit after having played such a
big regular season game.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Big picture, they're fine for the playoffs. They're going to
be eight and three after this weekend in Nashville. But
the bigger concern is they still are below the Rams
and the forty nine ers, and that means road playoff games,
Wildcard maybe one win, and then a second round game
in Philadelphia Detroit and see you later.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
That's been their history for the last ten years.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
And so if you take that as a bigger picture
and then narrowed down what they've done since to try
to fix that. They fired Pete Carroll, they brought in
two new offensive coordinators in two years. They traded their quarterback,
They signed a new quarterback to one hundred million dollar contract.
They redid the defense with Ernest Jones in the trade
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last year, and Nick emn Worry and so on.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
All the changes they've made. As we sit right here
right now.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
There's still no better in their own division, and that's damning.
But they are much closer to being better than the
Rams and the forty nine ers than they've been in
a decade, So the next seven games will determine whether
they in fact can get there. They had the Rams
again at home on a Thursday night in mid December,
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and they end the season at the forty nine Ers.
They'll be favored in pretty much every other game up
to between those two games, So what's left for them
will determine whether how far they've come on their big
picture request to get back to division superiority. The fact remains,
if Darnold doesn't throw four interceptions, they win that game.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
The Rams.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I'm sure you has already said this on the air
of this station this week. The Rams had only one
touchdown drive, one drive where they actually had to go
more than the half the field. Their two other touchdown
drives were three yards and twenty five yards thanks to
Sam Donald turning the ball over deep in his own end.
So if you can extrapolate back to when the Rams
played the Seahawks and lumen Field last year, thirteen points
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in regulation by the offense against Seattle's defenses. She was
talked about Mike McDonald in the last two real games
out there in the JV game in January in Englewood.
Mike McDonald has had Sean mcvay's number like nobody else
in the league. Thirteen points in regulation in November last
year in Blumenfield, seven points. Having to drive the field
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against Seattle the other day without getting handed the game.
Donald's turnovers, we talked about it even before the Rams game.
That's a concern. When you're tied with tuatunguea Iola for
the most turnovers in the league at that position, that's
a problem no matter who they're playing, including Tennessee this week.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Hugh out concerning was the game by Sam Darnold on Sunday,
and then big picture, do we have the right quarterback
going forward?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, first of all, if I can respond to, I
agree with a lot or most of what Greg said. Greg,
I think that the tenor of your sense that hey,
they're just behind the Rams. Yeah, they're behind the Rams
in the standings right now. But the Seahawks are the
of all the contenders looked at them all. They're the
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only team that has a new quarterback and a new
coordinator on offense. The Seahawks are the fifth youngest team
in the NFL. Yeah, they had a game where the
quarterback lost it. He had four interceptions. All four of
those are double minuses. But when you consider all the
positives that will likely discuss here, I feel like they're
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right there. They're seven and three. They have a two
to three record. That's four hundred against the other playoff teams.
That doesn't sound very good. Well, guess what of the
fourteen teams, there's only two that have a winning record
against them. You know, last year, out of fourteen playoff teams,
eight of the fourteen had a three point thirty three
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win percentage or worse against other playoff teams. So they're
fine in regard to what their schedule is. It's going
to come down to the December eighteenth game. As for Darnold,
look the interceptions. Again, I am not excusing those interceptions, Chuck,
you know, but I think there's a lot of things
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going around it. Like the first one, I think it
was a poor scheming where they had the Zabel fan
out to help the left tackle and the right guard
was going to be fanning out eventually on his side.
That was Olua Timmy one on one. As a general axiom,
you don't want to have centers on an island against
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with both guards dividing. I would have rather had Charles
Cross on verse and had the tight end ship and
then released in the flag. He was going in the
flat anyways with press coverage, Cooper Cup, don't go nineteen
yards man, you got a hole. You got to shorten
up that route. So now he's holding the ball. So
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there's things going on again. It's the quarterback. It's his fall.
The second one, he gets hit in two point one second,
Sam Bradford. Excuse me, Anthony Bradford is totally oblivious to
the stunt and he gets hit right in the in
the lips on a on a pass. So there's people
breaking down around him. As Greg Olsen said on the
third interception, the bender Elijah Royo, he'd like to have
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it bend in. I still give Sam Donald a double minus.
I think he saw yellow light. I think he should
have seen a red light. But as for the big picture,
I mean Sam Donald his first forty nine games, he
won thirty five percent of his games in his career.
Then three exactly three years ago November twenty seventh to
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twenty twenty two, when he's twenty five years old. That's
when everything clicked. He went from winning thirty five five
percent of his games in the last thirty four games,
he's won seventy four percent of them. Number of passer
rating games over one hundred, he went from sixteen percent
of his games being over one hundred a triple digit
passerway to sixty eight percent. What is sixty eight percent
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of your times when you get a triple digit? In
Pat Mahomes' entire career, he's sixty one out of one
hundred and twenty two, exactly fifty percent, and only one
of those was his rookie year. The second year is
an MVP. And then as far as the big games,
people are talking about the big game, I'm gonna quote
Don James from November seventeenth of nineteen ninety nine in
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a local paper quote, the biggest game is always the
one you lost. You never get credit for the ones
you win for being a big game. So Sam Donald
went fourteen and three last year. He beat Green Bay twice.
They would have been thirteen to four had had Sam
Donald not beat him. Well, Donald in those games at
one hundred and twenty three pass right sixteen beat the
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Houston Texans when they won their division. He had one
hundred nineteen passer rating. How about the game against Seattle
when Seattle needed to have a win against the Vikings
of the Packers. He comes in here, beats the Seahawks
twenty seven to twenty four, has one hundred and twelve
passer rating. So all these things like he's had big
games and then and then and then to close it
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off last year in the playoff, I'll say against the
Lions that last game he was poor. Gotta be better.
But that RAM playoff game doesn't matter. Who was the quarterback.
Remember the Super Bowl, Pat Mahomes had seven seventeen pressures
running for his life after three quarters, he had a
fifty three passer rating. In the air, they were down
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thirty four to six. We had seventeen pressures. Donald had
twenty seven in that RAM game. There's more on my
notes here. I just think that that Sam Sam there's
enough evidence that Sam Donald, and I mean touch on
the call is stuff. There's enough evidence that Sam Arnold
has a clutch gene, or certainly that he doesn't have
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a wilt gene. We just don't have a lot of
data set and we'll see. But the guy's been balling
and you know I can't wait for his redemption opportunity
in a month against the Rams. Greg.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, well, you're right. The wins and losses his career
is absolutely u turn. Of course, he started with the
Jets and the Panthers, and he's been with the Vikings
and the Seahawks. That'll turn around anybody's career. The bottom
line is the guy who has the ball in every
play can't turn the ball over more than anybody else
in the league. And whether it's them dropping in the
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box coverage, as Cooper Cup explained to me after the
game in Englewood on Sunday, and then running a safety
out or vice versa, having a too high show look
at the snap and then running the safety down, he himself.
Darnold said he was a victim of holding onto the
ball tom after the game on Sunday, and a couple
times he admitted he could just throw the ball straight
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into the turf and avoid an interception or a sack.
The third interception in particular, fourth interception in particular, the
jump pass to a Royo. He was trying to avoid
the sack because he was on the edge of field
goal range. In a twenty one to twelve game with
six minutes left, and he said after the game he
was preoccupied with not losing the five or six yards
on that sack that would have pushed him out of
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field goal range, which is why he got rid of
the ball at the last second to a royal. And
then he said, I should have just dirted the ball.
It's the nature of the position. Hugh knows that more
than any of us. If the quarterback when they lose,
he gets the blame. If he wins that game, he
would get all the credit for rallying at the end
despite the four interceptions. It's you can make a case
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the Seahawks' three losses are because Sam Donald did not
take care of the ball in the crunch time of
the game. Forty nine ers red zone, a minute and
half left, Abe Lucas gets pushed into by Nick Posa,
Donald doesn't secure the ball, fumble lost, seventeen thirteen, Buccaneers
tied four minutes left, Seahawks in their own end. He
doesn't recognize the safety plitz, he doesn't get rid of
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the ball, and toin Winfield hits him, revolts in an
interception off of the alignment's helmet, gifted the Buccaneers the
winning field goal and then the Rams the other day.
That's part true of any team. If your quarterback turns
over the ball, those are your losses. But you could
trace Sam Darnold taking either sacks or throwing the ball
into the ground, and the Seahawks could be nine to one,
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ten and oer right now, that's not a stretch. And
there are a lot of people around the organization in
the locker room upstairs in the building who think, if
we can just get the quarterback and the offense to
not turn over.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
The ball, that they would be a division champion.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well, it does get credit for how many wins we
got for how well he played as well. But I'll
throw it to you, Hugh, did we have a turnover
issue with Sam because the statistics might suggest that we do.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Well. Let's first of all, talk, not every fumble is
created equal. A running back has to have the five
points of pressure the chest, the bicep, the forearm, the
thumb side of the hand, and the finger side of
the hand. When you're running a quarterback who's in the pocket,
if he has both hands on the pocket, there is
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more of a burden on him than if he's passing.
If he has begun the act of passing and his
right hand is separated, if he barely gets hit on
his wrist, he's going to fumble. And so if he's
in the forty nine er game, if he's looking, he's
thrown to the left flat and his vision is to
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the left flat and the right tackle gets overrun early
in the down and he has already separated his hands.
Are we evaluating a quarterback fumble like a running back fumble?
That's nonsensical to me. And as far as as the turnover,
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the Pro Football Focus has what's called turnover worthy plays,
so they try and balance out. Hey, sometimes you deserve
an interception. You threw it right to the defender, caught it,
had two hands on the ball, but he dropped it.
What they say is that should have been an interception.
And then there's other times they say, wait a minute,
that's not the quarterback's fault, like when aj Barner got
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overrun against Arizona and he bounced the ball off the
helmet up with through no fault of his own. So
PFF has Sam Darnold with ten turnover worthy plays. You
know who has more, Drake May the Vegas odds for
winning the MVP. Bo Nicks also leading the AFC, also
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an MVP candidate, Pat Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, and many others.
And then that's offset against big time throw percentage. He's
number two in the NFL and big time throws only
one behind Stafford. But the percent that he has, the
percent of his passes that, in the judgment of PFF
is a big time throw seven point six percent, he's
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number one in the NFL. So I ask you in August,
if I had told you that at this juncture, the
Seahawks would be seven to three, that they would be
number three in the NFL in scoring, that their quarterback
would be number two graded Pro Football Focus on Passer,
that the quarterback would be number one in yards per dropback,
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number one in yards per ten And on the off target,
this is not PFF. This is the NFL off target
percentage six point six two percent, second lowest, even though
he's stretching the field along. If I had asked you
that in August, and with Seattle being seven to three
young the only team with a new quarterback and a
new offensive coordinator that's in the playoff hunt, what have
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you not taken that for sure. Look, look, I am
not Sam Donald. Lost the RAM game, period, hard stop.
Nothing else is Sam Donald, and he'll tell you that
he did tell you that. That's the nature of the position.
I don't like it any more than anybody else, but
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I think there's a great chance to finish strong. Look.
I was on a Cowboy team that everybody knew we
were the best. This is right in that dynasty winning
super Bowls. Everybody knew we were the best team, and
you could just be the dudes all year long. Is
Seattle or really anybody that good? Who is the best
team in September this year? The Buffalo Bills. Then who
is the best team in October? The Colts and the Packers.
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Who is there in a team that can really just
say we're going to be the best for two months
and take everybody shot and be the hunted. I don't
think Seattle's that good. So the fact that they're seven
and three and they can be the hunter and then
all they got to do is be healthy at the
end of the season, win enough games to have a
good seed and be peaking. And I think it's damn
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hard to take all those shots. So this could have
been a blessing that they lost to Seaoffs. But I'm
not putting in these these big things like like like
we can't turn this thing around. I don't know. I
just don't see it that way.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
No, I don't think they're anywhere near not being able
to turn it around. I think that they're making it
harder for themselves if they can't win a division. We
know the history says that the Seahawks, in particular, if
they don't have home playoff games and not going to
Super Bowl and that division title, guys, has been the
number one goal since they hired my not doubt and
they ever won road games at this rate, No, of
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course not but the but the road games and the
playoffs come with a difference. You get to be a
seed and you come with a hot You don't play
just Tennessee Arizona. So I'm telling you the tenor in
the building is the division is there for the taking
if the offense just takes care of themselves, because the
defense will win us games age.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
And then you start granular about.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
The offense, and then we start talking about Darnold in
the run game and the Anthony Bradford and whatnot, But
that they're their opinion is they built this program with
the defense being this good to win this division, and
their defense really I talked to letter Words and locker
room have to be in Englewood, and he said, man,
I want to play the Rams.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Again like tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah, because they think they've got the Rams on defense now.
If they can just get the offense to take care
of the ball and hold up there in that, they
think they can win the division.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I know they lost.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I know their quarterback through four interceptions on Sunday, But
to me, the better team on Sunday lost the football game.
I thought the Seahawks out played the Rams for four quarters,
and yeah, you have to go with you lost.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You lost the game.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
But I thought they had a pretty good showing other
than the four turnovers on Sunday, So I feel good
about where they're at.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
We're going to.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Continue our conversation. It's our twelfth man roundtable here on
this Thursday. We got Greg Beller Seahawks insider. We got
Hugh Millen, our QB one joining us here. We got
to talk about Gray's Abel's health on the other side,
the interior of the offense line, and of course size
up this week's opponent. The lowly Tennessee Titans on Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
She didn't double that in college? Do you have to
have drilled that into her head?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I did drill that into her. I'm proud of her
for retaining it. She's coming home from Connecticut tomorrow for
what Thanksgiving breaks.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
He hasn't been home since summer.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
So you got a gree her with just return of
the mac.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Just oh yeah, she's yeah, she's used to that.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Just kidding with that.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Greg Bell, Hugh Millan with us.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's our twelve man round table Seahawks getting ready for
the Titans. Greg, I'll start again with you in this
segment because I need to know I'll beat up the
interior of the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Is we got?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
We seem to have an Anthony Bradford issue. We know
Sundell's out for a little while longer. What is going
on with Grey's Abel? I shuddered to think that we
wouldn't have him too.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I don't think you're gonna have Grey's Abel.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
It doesn't look like he's going to play at Tennessee,
and Anthony Bradford is well banged up.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
He's going to play.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Jaylenson Della's on injured reserve, so he's not gonna play
for three more games at a minimum. So, yes, the
interior offensive line is an issue. It's been an issue
all season, and now they're missing perhaps two starters.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Christian Haynes, the third round.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Pick from last year from Connecticut who has had multiple
chances to win a starting job at guard, came in
in tough duty because Able got hurt on the touchdown
that Walker had with two and a half minutes to play,
and then Haynes had to come in and play the
ten play frantic drive at the end off their own
one yard line. I talked to him yesterday and he said, yeah,
(19:30):
there were some things with some pass sets and some
footwork and leaning that I did that I need to
clean up. But it's hard to do what he did
to pretty much watch three hours on the sideline and
then they thrust into with the game on the line
of frantic no huddle drive. So he'll be better obviously
than he was last weekend. The thing about the Titans
(19:52):
is their defense is pretty good and their best players
on defense Jeffrey Simmons. He often lines up at right
defensive end and right defensive tackle, which means he will
get a lot of time on Christian Haynes his side,
and also with Charles Cross f tackle. That's the matchup
to worry about for Seattle. Jeffrey Simmons can wreck this
game offensively for Seattle.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
He's that good.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
And I still remember the joint practice in Nashville we
went to in twenty twenty four. Simmons looked like an
All Pro against the Seahawks offensive line. Those two practices,
you can bet that there is a lot of this
game plan from Clint Kubiak and the offensive line coaches
about Jeffrey Simmons.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
So, yes, the interior offensive line is a concern. If
I'm the Titans, I'm sending Simmons on Slant's interior to
test out over with Timmy and Christian Haynes. And I'm
sending Blitzer by linebackers and safeties up the middle to
test the interior that line here.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I think we're gonna win on Sunday. But I don't
need to see Sam Darnold running for his life because
they can't protect him up the middle.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Agreed. I mean that's just you know ball in the NFL.
I mean, look, if you're going to have these in
this is the time to do it. If if you
can't beat this feeble a team, then what are we
even talking about? I mean, you guys can just you know,
cancel this show next week, just talk more baseball because uh,
look you're playing the Titans. They're awful and uh and
(21:18):
so yeah, it's a problem. But if you're you know,
you fancy yourself a decent team, you got to either
overcome it or you know, guys get experience. We'll see.
You know, Christennanes hasn't played much left guard in his career,
is a right guard at Yukon, hasn't played much left
guard as a Sea Hawk, but you know, you know,
tough jobs you gotta go.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Well, maybe this is the week to finally establish you
ken Walker as RB one. We discussed it earlier this
week that maybe it's not as easy as it looks
just to handken Walker the ball twenty times a game
and Zach Charbona is the backup.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
But is it time to just let Canine eat?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Well? I think it gets way past time. I mean,
I'm pretty certain that if we went through, if I
went through and all the podcasts of all the shows
since Canine's been here, I think I'm in the triple
digits of being very unequivocal in my view, Greg that Canine,
you know, is clearly to my eyes, the best guy.
(22:23):
I don't get it. I don't understand how it's a controversy,
and just to put it in perspective, I'm just weighing
it in terms of Okay, there's the explosive potential for Canine.
I mean he ran a four to three five at
the combine Sarbonney ran a four five three. That's the
difference between being in the fifty fifth percentile versus the
(22:46):
ninety fifth percentile. It shows up on field in explosive
run percent Canine is fifth in the NFL at all
all running backs with one hundred or more rush attempts.
That's twenty nine. Zach Starbuney is twenty ninth out of
twenty nine. So Canine's literally going to triple your opportunity.
(23:07):
There's a in the stat portal with the NFL that
I log into avoided tackle percentage. Canine at thirty six
point zero three percent, He's third in the NFL. You
know it has merit and relevance. When Jonathan Taylor's number
one and bjon Robinson is number two. Canine was number
one in that stat last year. If you combined last
year in this year at his thirty four point three percent,
(23:29):
number one in the NFL. So we're top five in
explosive rate, we're number one in avoided tackle percentage. And
he say, well, what about the just the meat and
potato stuff. If you go successful play percent forty percent
of the need yards on first down, sixty percent of
the need of yards on second down, you still have
a canine has a nominal advanced two percent advantage, So
(23:54):
you're not losing anything in that regard, and you're picking
up a lot. So when I watch a RAM game
and I see on neutral downs that they run twenty
times and they only throw eleven. They're really committed to
the run. I'm like, hand it to the dude who
has a chance to rip something. You know, that twenty
three yard or little checkdown where he just bursts. There's
(24:18):
no way any other running back on Seattle can do that.
That stretch play that he got twenty five yards just
you know, it's like you're rolling the dice and every
time you have a chance that he can really pop something.
So to me, Greg, it's K nine. It's K nine
all day. To the extent that you know I get
(24:40):
third downs, maybe you take him out. I'm exaggerating a
little bit, but there's no question in my mind, both
from the stats and what my eyes tell me, Canine's
got to be the guy. Why are they dragging their
feet on this?
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Then?
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Greg, well, up to now, as we mentioned earlier this week,
it's been managing this foot issue that he had in August,
and they were trying to get him through seventeen games
so he could play in all him So I asked
McDonald this week, is that passed him? And he said yes,
as far as he knows, they're not in managing phase anymore.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
And when I ask him, why not use the more elusive.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Back, the guy that can make tacklers miss, especially in
short yard is in goal line, he said, you're right,
Walker needs more opportunities.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
The play on.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Third and one I mentioned the other day in the
third quarter when they were down fourteen to nine.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
It's third and one and ninety one.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Kobe Turner beat with an immediate swim move Anthony Bradford
and was standing in the backfield two yards behind the
line of scrimmage, ready to dump Walker for a loss
and fourth down on a field goal try.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
If Sharbona is running that, he runs right into Kobe
Turner for a loss of two.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Walker juked to his right and got five yards and
what had a touchdown if the safety hadn't come down
hard and tripped him with a shoe string tackle.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
That's what Walker gives you, and that's what they.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Need more of in the red zone and inside the
tent because they have gone to Sharbona in those situations.
Sharvon ay Lea's a team and touchdowns. Talking about how
he is the fewest yards per carrying in the league.
He has six touchdown runs. The leads the Seahawks because
he gets the ball Shortyarded Gonal'll say this is a
good change. They've got seven games left with Kenneth Walker,
(26:12):
then his contract ends and they have to decide whether
they want to re up him or not and what
their running back situation is going forward. They owe it
to Walker to give him a full run here and Okay,
if he got hurt, so be it, but they have
got They owe it to him for his career and
for this team's offense to be at its best to
give him full go these last seven regular season games.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Let's see if they start doing it in Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Ay Man greg and a final thought on that, the
two plays that they run the most. The running play,
you got the outside zone, the stretch. You're taking that
ball and you're reading the block of the tight end.
You're trying to get out there, and if the tight
end can hook him, you got to have the speed
to get outside. Did we see That's exactly what we
saw from Canine on that twenty five yard or on
(26:57):
the stretch play the burst to avoid the And then
the other play is the duo. And what duo is
is you you're down blocking at the point of attack.
It's a strong side play in the a gap, the
strong side guard. You're not pulling a backside guard like
most down blocking has so so do as you're getting
(27:17):
double teams right in the middle, the running back has
to read the middle linebacker. Now, eventually you would have
a guy get off to the middle linebacker, but the
running back reads the middle linebacker. If he steps up,
then you bounce it to the outside because you've got
all And that's what you had on the Canine touchdown
that called back. That was a duo play. He read
it and and that burst that you have to have
(27:39):
to use that play in the event that you need
to bounce it. Canine is the only guy that can
do that. And so here you got their top two
scheming plays that need speed and burst, and he's the
guy who has the speed in the burst. Well, Bucky,
right now we're.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Missing Eric Salbert by the way, Yeah, excuse me, they're
missing Eric Saber at the tight end. That was Nick
coller Up who got called back for the hold. That
was a hold bear hugging on the edge of.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I don't agree.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
I said, look, it begs the official to call it.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
If you put outside, I think that there are I
think it was a very mild hold. I think Canine
was already out there. And if you like, like I
understand when when you run to the outside, you're more
likely to have those type of holds. But if you
compare that I could get I could produce a thousand
(28:36):
plays in the NFL on bounce, just that play bounce
duo where there's a far more of a hold and
it's not called. I thought that was the as ticky
tacky as you're liable to see. That was Yeah, still
keeps me up at night.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
All Bucky heard this segment as if the Seahawks lose
to the Titans, we're gonna going to talk a lot
more baseball.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
So don't really want to probably test that though, But okay.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
All right, one more segment.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
We'll get Bucky's prediction, we'll get Greg's keys, we'll get
Hugh's final thoughts. Twelfth Man Round Table Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM. All right, final segment of this
week's edition of The twelfth Man Roundtable starring Hugh Millen
(29:29):
and Greg Bell right here on chucking back in the mornings,
and our final segment we kind of go round the
horn here a little bit. We will start with Greg again. Yeah,
maybe I'm playing favorites today. Starting with Greg alters segments.
But let's get Greg's keys to the game on Sunday
against the one and nine Tennessee Titans laid on us,
mister Bell.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Well offensively, I've already said the key to them is
just containing Jeffrey Simmons and make sure he doesn't wreck
the game. Let's see how much they run Kenneth Walker
and let's see if he gets lead back status or
it still says to be a job share. Walker has
forty five percent of the offensive snaps this season, and
in the game Sarbonate has played, he missed one. He's
got forty nine percent of the snaps. Let's see if
(30:12):
that changes on Sunday. Defensively, they should overwhelm cam Ward
in this offense. This offense for Tennessee is ranked last
and pretty much every major category.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
They don't run, they don't throw.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
There's their receiver, leading receiver as a tight end who
is is banged up in injured. Simmons by the way,
he didn't practice this or with the hamstring injury, so
that'll be worth watching during the week leading up to
how available he'll be. I can't see Tennessee's offense scoring,
literally can't see him scoring. I think the Seahawks won
twenty to nothing. And wow, Yeah, this is where Mike
(30:49):
McDonald's defense is. When there are teams that shouldn't move it,
they don't, and there are teams that are some of
the best in the league that should move it that
often don't or have trouble doing it like the Rams
did last week. The Seahawks probably win this game. Maybe
Monday morning, I might regret to saying this, but I
think the Seahawks win this game one hundred and one
times out of one hundred.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I mean I've been doing this a little while, since
I was nineteen years old. That's some years. I don't
know if I've ever heard of football prediction where it
was zero. I even even when you think it's a blowout,
you give the team three points, six point seven points.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I don't know if I've ever heard anyone like.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Legitimately, not like Husky's win thousand to nothing, but legitimately
say they're not going to score a point.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
I love it. I love it, all right, what do
you got, bucket? Well, I mean it's tough to hold
somebody to zero. Now. They have been held to zero
by the Texans the first time they played them, so
they have been shut out this year. I think they'll
put a few points up on the board, but I
don't think it's going to be clear. I think one
somehow just get one point. Yeah, I think that. I
(31:55):
think it's a blowout. I think coming off that loss,
they're going to be out for blood. I think they're
going against a great team to do it against. I'm
gonna go ahead and say, Seahawks twenty seven, Titans ten.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Twenty seven to ten, give up ten. It's a high standard.
Give up all right, Hugh? How are we going to close.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
This sucker today?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I mean, see where we're going here.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Well, a few weeks back, I'm in that thirty third
team the Think Tank and Mike Tannenbaum asked me to
present on cam Ward. So I studied every single play
of them, and I was just appalled at how bad
they are that their receivers. I mean, Calvin Ridley is
maybe a Sea level.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Guy and he's out, He's out.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, their targets are awful. Uh, the the left tackle
is bad, the right tackle is worse. There's just nothing.
The list of stats that where the Titans, as Greg said,
are thirty second or thirty first. It's too long, both
on both offense and defense. How about starting field position
thirty second dead last? That speaks to their special teams.
(33:07):
Is a really bad football team, and we don't know
how good cam wore it is because it's a really
bad football team, no excuse. So enough said on that.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's a shutout,
and then you know, I just want to kind of
close it on a topic that I had had said,
you know, for me in looking at the Seahawks, just
remembering they're the sixth youngest offense. The Eagles have Jalen
(33:31):
Hurts in his fourth a fifth year. Rather, Kellen Moore
is gone, but their offensive coordinator, Kevin Patulo was their
passing game coordinator since twenty twenty one, so there's continuity.
Baker Mayfield, he lost his offensive coordinator, but Josh Grizzard
their passing game coordinator, he stepped up. Matthew Stafford obviously
has five years with McVeigh, you know, Green Bay six
(33:54):
years quarterback and coach San Francisco. Continuity there even to
New England. Chicago have new Cordon. At least their quarterback
has been in that system for more than a year.
The Seahawks, in that regard, are the newest offense. And
and it really underscored on that fade route where Donald
missed received Shaheed on the go ball just under threw them,
(34:17):
missed it by three inches. You know, the number two
receiver for the Rams, Davante Adams, he signed on March ninth,
received Shaheed's side on November fourth. Think of all the
reps that they had with Adams in OTAs and and
summer workouts and whatever training camp on what have you.
So Darnald misses a guy that he's only worked with
(34:39):
for two weeks and he misses it by an inch.
If he hits that, that's a four point differential. Seattle
probably wins just on that play let alone, the four turnovers.
So I think it should be stated that this is
not a mature offense. It's maturing there. They're incline that
their their improvement curve should be far higher than anybody else.
(35:00):
Is that they're contending with sitting here at seven to three.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
All right, man, let me ask you real quick you
would you have thrown more air into that ball?
Speaker 5 (35:07):
Was that a line drive?
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I don't care if you put more air on it
and and get it over or if you feel more
accurate to throw it on a lowered line. It was
press coverage. If it was off coverage, I'd say, yeah,
put more air press coverage. It's okay to line drive
that because you have to. You have your brain has
to process less of a lead. You just got to
be more accurate. Look, I understand if you if you
(35:29):
put more air over it, then under it rather then
then it goes over the defender's hand. But then it's
you still have to lead him further back to the
back of the end zone, and maybe you don't process
it well. I have no problem with trajectory. It's real simple.
You know, you under threw it, just throw it farther.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Just yeah, yeah, all right, man, awesome stuff today, Thank
you very much.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
We'll talk to you about tomorrow rock and roll. All right,
thank you you, Milling r QB one. He'll be back
with us x's and o is at nine o'clock tomorrow.
Greg Bell will be back.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
At seven o five with tomorrow our Seahawks insider, uh
to discuss further this matchup with the Titans. That none
of you are given the Titans a chance. I'm not either.
I just think that there's a chance it could be
closer than a blowout. But we shall see. Coming up
next though, it's been a long time since we've had
(36:19):
a contestant play beat Bucky. I'm talking like a couple
of months. So what we're gonna do is open up
the phone lines two O six two eight six ninety
five ninety five. Somebody that's been out there dying to
play our normal Thursday nine o'clock game that we play
here on Chuck and Buck in the morning. It is back,
never really went away. Uh, And so we need a
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contestant two o six two eight six ninety five ninety five.
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