November 21, 2025 • 37 mins
HUGH MILLEN’S X’s & O’s What kind of a mindset might Sam Darnold be in heading into this weekend after last weekend’s poor performance? Can the o-line backups get the job done? Walker vs Charbonnet? :30- MIKE HOLMGREN joins the show and gives his thoughts on Sunday’s matchup with he Titans. :45- We close out the show with one last thing!
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uh in the.
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Race, you mill and then we let him take it
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How fast he is.
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Might be by the way, I think he might be.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
All right, Well, let's uh, let's do our x AS
and o's. So we do this every Friday with our
QB one. And we had a conversation earlier about Sam Darnold.
And look, we all acknowledge he played a bad game.
And I'll go as far as saying he costs the
Seahawks chance to win that game. Well, they had a
chance to win the game, but they cost the He
cost the team the game. His play is the reason
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why we lost the game against the Los Angeles Rams.
But I in no way want him to change the
way he's played this year. Let it rip, as Mike
McDonald said after the game was over, And I'm just
curious as to what kind of mindset you think Sam
might enter this game with on Sunday, considering how great
a year he's had, about how bad a game he
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played in terms of mistakes on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
That's one of the most difficult parts about playing the
position is is that to play your best, you can't
second the guess, you know, you know, imagine, I don't
think it's terribly unlike you know, when you're you're driving
down a pretty fast road, maybe the speed limits forty
five or fifty, and the light turns yellow. You know
those times where you go, oh my god, it's right
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at that split second where do I go or do
I stop? You know, well, imagine you know every intersection
is like that. Well that that's kind of you know,
so you can't overthink it. You know, Dan Marino, I
got to the dolphins. He used to say ltff, baby ltff,
And you know, I go, well, what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And is let the effort fly?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
You know?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And uh, you know, and and so I think that
there there has to be uh you know that idea. Okay, yes,
you gotta be cautious. You gotta you can't just play,
you know, carry on the analogy.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You're looking for green lights like defense, tell me clearly
where to go with the ball, like right now, the
fastest possible. It doesn't always happen that way. There's disguises,
you have pressure, and and then sometimes you have to
live in the yellow. You know it's a yellow light,
but you gotta you gotta throw early. You gotta put
the ball to a spot where, yeah, I you know
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it's gonna be tough, but you got to get completions
on yellow lights you can't. And then of course when
there's red lights, that's when red light is no, don't
throw it here. And I think what Sam darnold? He
he was running too many yellows and he ran a
couple of reds. But but the first thing I would
say is is the team has got to be But
if you're looking at those four interceptions, the team has
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got to be better around him on a few of them. Oloa,
Timmy got trucked. I don't like the scheme where you
put him on an island.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
You had.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Cooper Cup went nearly nineteen yards a full eighteen and
a half for sure on a deep hook. Well, I
went filtered the NFL. The coaches tape on all the
completions this year filtered seventeen to twenty two yards on
deep hook, and all of those sixteen completions in that range,
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because that's a relatively deep hook that there was not
one that was a press coverage. You got a whole
if you're pressed at the line, you've got to shorten
up that route. So that could have helped him. On
the third and nine, the second interception we talked about JSN,
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his inside leg was four. That means it's a seventh
step uh speed out instead of a six. I I'd
rather have it that at at six. Almost every team
does six. But let's assume they're gonna go to seven.
Let's get to Sam Bradford's part. He Sam Bradford, I'm sorry,
I'm Sam Donald. Yeah, I'm thinking of Anthony Bradford because
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that guy just you know, haunts my my every waking moment.
We'll get him, uh, you know, and he he cost us,
you know, he he was a blind.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
To the uh the the.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Stunt on the second interception, and and so the line
has simply got to be better. And and even that
last uh, that last interception, A Lucas didn't pick up
a stunt and so there was no chance to get
back late. But so if I'm quarterback coaching Sam Donald,
I would say, on the first one, look Olo gets trucked.
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We can't control that. We we got an opportunity. You're
sliding to your left now instead of throwing that. Actually,
you're you're doing a good job of staying in the
past seen position there hip hips perpendicular to the line
scrimmage more or less. Now it's time to actually get
out of the passing position. Flush left, look for something
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that was first and ten. Look for something made it
was man coverage. Maybe somebody uncovers K nine. Possibly maybe
Cooper Cup. You distort the defense a little, Maybe he
finds a way to break off his route and give
you an opportunity. Otherwise, just airmail it, Eric, go go
give the ball to throw it to Sean McVay. How
about that, he's right there on that sideline the second one,
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third and nine, two point one seconds. There is no chance.
Anthony Bradford absolutely screwed him.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
And so but it's.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Third and nine and you and the score is fourteen
to nine. Your defense is playing great. It's the third quarter,
you're only down five points, you're close to midfield. You know,
just skymail that we're punting. It's okay. How many times
do you come back at the end of the game
and you say, you know what, that incompletion and cost
us the game. It doesn't happen, right, It's it's the
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it's the interceptions, it's the it's the sacks, it's the
it's the the scoop, you know, the scoop and score sacks,
what what have you?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
So?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So with this defense and incompletion is okay. I think
that Brett, I don't know in Sam Darnolds had but
I think that the playoff game against the Rams had
been in his mind where he took nine sacks, which
with the whole Viking line had been overrun. You could
say a couple of them more on Donald's fault, but
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I think that he was so determined to avoid sacks
that that he didn't take any sacks. But you know
he put the ball obviously in harm's way on the
third one. That's a coverage read. That's a problem. He's
got to see, Hey, we're rolled coverage, don't That was
the one Elijah Royo on the bender and and Greg Olsen,
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a tight end himself, said hey, Royo should have gone
on a flatter angle, And I agree that that could
have helped. But I think that it was such a murky.
That was a red light. Getting back to that, that
was a red light and he mis read the coverage
it was it was what's called cover six. He rolled
to the boundary, you had off coverage to the field,
and you had heat on his speed out. You gotta
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you gotta, you know, go back and smoke the ball
to the left sideline. Yes, it's a far side throw,
but if you throw with the right timing, then you
got a chance for completion. So I think his eyes
were in the wrong place there. And then UH. And
then the last one, he does the jump pass to
try and avert the sack so that he doesn't knock
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the Seahawks out of field goal range. But on that one,
again that was he misread the coverage. It was what's
called a two invert, the disguised coverage. It looks like
a single high then the corner to the left over
JSN he's gonna go kind of to the half field,
and so there's an opportunity to hit that out route.
So and on that one there was time. Of the
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four interceptions, there was clear time to throw to the Uh,
the open guy. And so if you misread the coverage,
every quarterback does that. You misread the coverage. Now you
come back and this is where a point Rashid Shahed
was running. Then in route if there's a defender there.
You can either this is the terminol do You can
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either slip slip underneath him. That's not called slip, or
you can rap. Let me say it again, slip underneath,
rap over the top. So he's looking for Rashid Shahed
and and Shahed is wrapping over the top of that
underneath defender. But the angle is a little it's a
little bit nebulous. And this get back gets back to
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you're one with the quarterback, you're one with the offensive coordinator,
and like you're month one with a receiver that you're
looking on a very uh uh you know, precise route
where JSN has had a ton of rap routes this
season on completions, but more than I can count. Uh
and and he declares himself, like you it's easier to
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pick up JSN. Well, now you're learning receipts heat. It
was a little ambiguous just looking at the tape, so
that's got to be get cleaned up. But then you
know the the the interception, it's just again it's dirt
the ball, and that would be the takeaway incompletions are okay,
even sacks are okay. And I think he was trying
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so hard to avoid the sacks. So I think that's
the takeaway for him is, remember, dude, you got a
great defense all these plays. You know, we're we're the
first three of the four you were you know, no
more than five points down. Just just dirt the ball,
live for another down and if it's third down, it's
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okay to punt with this defense.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Okay, Well, I mean, is there a chance that he's
going to have to use exactly what you're talking about,
that discretion and and maybe at times live you know,
punt and live to fight another day. Because of the
interior offensive line of the Shawks. I mean, that's maybe
the one strength that it might be coming at you
is a guy on the you know, coming up the
middle against our guys, and we don't even if we're
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gonna have all three of our.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Starters out there, Wilson Dell's on I are you know,
this is like the ghost of offensive line pass that
we're gonna be watching Sunday, where we're gonna be see
Haynes and Olo, Timmy and Bradford and Jacob Marley. Yes, right,
there's gonna Sam Darnold is gonna be hearing chains cracklely,
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you know, you know, on his backside. But but you
know Anthony Bradford, you know he's he's out of eighty
six offensive guards. PFF has him eight, ranked eighty third,
you know, and and Olo Timmy.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You know, it's.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It's like if you went back and you had a chance.
I always play this game from a personnel standpoint. I say,
if you could go back on draft day and John
Schneider had a crystal ball only of the of that
player's career. He doesn't get the crystal ball of all
the other players. He only gets the crystal ball of
that player he's about to pick, and you could see
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what's gonna happen in his career, would you would you,
knowing what you see, would you draft him? And of
course that slides based on the round. Right, there's gonna
have a different standard in the fifth round than the
first round. But just as a general rule, we say, no,
I'll throw that fish back in the water and I'll
take somebody else. Well, you know you're not gonna take
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Anthony Bradford. You're not gonna take Olua Timmy, You're not
gonna take Christian Haynes. All of them have been a disappointment,
and they're all gonna be on the interior of the
offensive line here this Sunday. So so yeah, that's that's
that's a part here. Donald has talked about, hey, I've
got to get to my checkdown more. Well, out of
thirty eight qualifying quarterbacks, uh, Donald has got to his
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check down eight point seven percent of the time. That's
that's ranked thirty three out of third He out of
thirty eight, he doesn't get to his checkdown. Well, we
generally think, well, that's good, that's admirable. What's the problem
with that? His first read he's second out of thirty eight.
Only Davis Mills has more, and he's essentially a backup.
So out of the real starters, he Darnold gets to
his first read at sixty two percent, exactly sixty two percent.
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He's number one in the NFL. That's partly because he
makes good reads about hey, let me go to my
first read based on the coverage. He didn't do that
against the Rams, and this offensive line is unlikely to
give him that that opportunity. And you know, while we're
on the subject, Number ninety eight, Jeffrey Simmons is really
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the only problem that the Titans present to you a
phenomenal defensive tackle. He is lined up over what would
be bad for one hundred and forty six times what
will be Christian Haanes one hundred and fifteen. But he's
also been out to the edges, you know, on the
left edge against Abe Lucas, he's had seventy six snaps,
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the right edge again and cross he's had fifty one snaps.
So he's going to try his hand on everybody. But
in interior, that offensive line's going to affect Sam Darnold
because he may not have a chance to get to
his second third reads as he's been talking about this week.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
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You know the mountains turn blue at forty two degrees. Well,
we've turned up the heat on this ken Walker conversation
this week. I think this show firmly endorses Ken Walker
getting more carries, being the number one running back. And
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yet and yet, Bucky pointed out earlier this week that
Zach Charbonay is so much better of a pass blocker
than Walker, according to PFF. And I'm wondering, considering your
offensive line questions that you're bringing to the table on Sunday,
does that take away at all from your zest to
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get Ken Walker more carries this week? Does that even
ripple the waters for you when it comes to your
desire to see K nine be used more frequently?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Well, I think that I think what you're referring to
is last week PFF's great. I don't think on balance
there's any real discernible difference. I mean, I can't even
count the number of times where I've been disappointed about Sharbonnay.
He either he either doesn't recognize where he's supposed to be.
Uh in one of those one of those sacks he uh,
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he was you know, he's trying to chip. He just
got in the way. He takes on a block with
the wrong shoulder on a pass block. You know, because
there's a point where you're coach and you say, look,
we don't want you to lose the block. We know
you can't block forever if you're gonna lose. If and
when you lose the block, it's got to be to
you know, to the outside, based on where the quarterback is,
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don't so, which means keep your head in the hole,
you and and use your left shoulder. If you use
your right shoulder, you're gonna far more likely to lose
the battle. And he's and he's got the inside pathway
to the quarterback. Like I'm, I'm, I don't subscribe to
the idea that that you get a big lift by
having Sharbone in there as a pass blocker. That's just
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me grading on the team. So but but if you
want to say, look, I don't think it's uncommon to say, hey,
we want Canine to be our first and second down guy,
and then on third and obvious situations if Sharbonne, if
you think he's your pass block specialist, okay, go go
put him in there. I think Canine can be a
three down back because I love the checkdown to him.
You know, I love the draw to him. So I'm
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I'm going to push back on that. I think certainly
pro football focus gets more right than they get wrong.
But if we're just going off of one game and
not you know, the body of work, yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
You see it with your eyeballs.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
I'll trust your eyeballs over what PFF, because I don't
trust all of When I was bringing up though it
was the entirety of this season. I mean it's it's
Ken Walker is great at twenty nine and Zach Jarmony
is great at a forty five point eight.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
It's it was a.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Big enough difference that I thought, maybe that's why they
have him in there on those situations.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
No, no, I appreciate it, and you're you're right to
push back on me. I I just look, I think
sometimes the winning where I don't like PFF and pass
blocking sometimes is is where they say, Okay, you didn't
allow a pressure from your guy, but you got trucked
back in. You know, you stayed between the defender and
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the quarterback, but you just got manhandled and you're in
the quarterback's lap. You totally disrupted the play, and then
all of a sudden, PFF will say, well, yeah, but
you didn't give up the sack, so we'll give you
an okay, greade. So I don't know. I look, it's
it's a fair it's certainly a salient point. Like if
you are if you are that inferior as a pass blocker,
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that's a problem because this is the NFL. It's twenty
twenty five, not nineteen twenty five. You have to pass block.
I just as you know, a guy who studies this
tape at all, I just wouldn't say there's a big difference,
you know, for one over the other in pass block.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Gosh buck, he's pushing back on you.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Well, not really, No, I like it right, and you
know what he's and you know what, you know what.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
He's bringing facts though, I mean the fact that what
Bucky says on the facts the PFF. So the only
way that I can retort that is either to say
that those those facts are insignificant or there's other facts
that supersede those facts. But no, he's he's bringing he's
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bringing it up against my chin at ninety eight, and
he's said it was more.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Like a probably eighty one mile an hour sinker that
got away from me a little bit. And then I
just immediately went sorry about that. No, sorry, it was
just that it wasn't. My only thing is when it
comes to the PFF, I don't typically use much on
game the game because I don't understand how they go
from sixty to eighty to forty or twenty. I just
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watch it with my eyes and then ask you to
decipher it. Is Bradford look as bad as because PFF
has like him and grades Abel similar like number wise,
so we don't we don't have time to get into
all that. But it's I don't know how to judge PFF.
I just look at it and go, maybe that's something
to ask you about.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, yeah, and again that's that.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
That would be the one part that I say, you know,
because Charles Cross has been you know, has graded relatively high,
and I think he's much better this year. But there
was was it last year or the year before?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I just I remember just going, Charles Cross, you are
on freaking ice skates every damn play like you're in
Gino's lap, and every if he has any progression to
his left side, like you you are just absolutely right
in Geno's face. And uh and and so but yet
I'm seeing that he's getting pretty good past blocking grades
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because because there's no pressures, and I'm like, okay, I
don't I don't agree with that. So yeah, and as
you said, great grades able, he's uh uh you know,
he's graded relatively poor himself. Uh you know, he he's
forty seventh and in past blocking, you know, which is
a good bit better than Anthony Bradford at eighty third.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
But hey, there's really no way to slice that Anthony
Bradford story. All right, man, Well, I enjoy the football
this weekend, and these guys they'll grill you come Monday morning.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I love it all right, hammer down, enjoy guys.
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Speaker 2 (22:28):
Coach?
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Well, I said, boy, I don't want to if you
go on not coming on? And then I didn't know
Chris is in the room. You heard me say that.
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Oh that might have been while your mic was potted
down right there at the beginning.
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Yeah, would you pat it up for me please?
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Yeah, yeah, we'll do it we can. He doesn't mean it, kid.
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All right.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Coach, Uh, if you have Sam Darnold, you're you're the
head coach and he's had a terrific season for you.
But it's coming off a rough performance for interception performance
on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
How are you coaching.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Him all week long so that that doesn't affect him
going forward?
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Well, I think you kind of reference what he's done
so far, but you don't ignore the fact that you
know that was a bad game last week, and you
correct it. You go over what happened, and then you say, Okay,
that's done. Now we're moving on. So every once in
a while, the guy has a bad game, and he
had one last week, but now you move on. He's
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done enough good things that he should you know, it
should be fine. I still believe in him a lot.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
How long does it take before you start reigning somebody
in because the idea of wanting them to try to
slip it in that day, you know, Hugh was kind
of breaking down the idea of you know, there's obvious
throws that are green lights, and then there's yellow lights,
and then there's red lights. Obviously a red light stop,
but you have to complete some yellow light throws. And
yet if those start turning into you know, turnover into turnovers,
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then you have to be like, okay, well maybe your
yellow light needs to be a little bit less uh,
or you need to not press those quite as much.
So how how how much of a leash do you
give a guy? Because I agree, I think he's done
far too good to then you know, clip his wings
at this point. And yet when does that time come?
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Well, you you have to see a correction. I think
if if he's if any quarterback makes the same mistake
time and time again, then all of a sudden, then
then you have to either take change your offense, change
how you think it a certain part of the field,
say the red zone or where the things are happening.
But you know, the good quarterbacks usually can make the correction.
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You know, I think last night, you know Josh Allen,
he got kind of crazy, and he did early in
his career and now look at him. So it's but
you can't ignore it. You have to. Sometimes it's tough love.
As I said with Brett Farv, you know, it's you
just have to bang it around and then hope changes.
And most of the time it's been my experience that
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the good ones change.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
There is a chance he could miss be missing a
couple of his starting offensive linemen on Sunday. Are you
going to hack that head on, maybe keep an extra
guy in for protection, or will you just wait till
game day and see if the backups hold up?
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Well, then, you know, that's a very good point. I
think pressure has been when interceptions have been throwing. Pressure
has been the problem. And so I don't know much
about Tennessee, to be honest with you, I think one
of their guys, one of their guys is really good,
you know. And so no, I think you have to look,
I wouldn't I wouldn't alter the pass protection scheme all
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that much in the beginning of the game see how
it's going, but be prepared to do that if you
had to. And but you know, this is one of
those games guys that I the seah Owks should take
care of business against this team. And so I'm hopeful
that any problems we saw last week, you know, are
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now behind us. Well.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I mean, I agree, I think they're going to beat them.
I think they're going to beat them. Handedly and yet
that the key to that is that you've got to
show up and not think you just throw your jock
on the field and it's going to work out in
your favor. You've got to go take it from them.
I mean, there's still NFL players for crying not loud.
So how do you make sure that your team is
properly motivated, especially coming off of probably what is the
(26:29):
most painful loss, the way in which they lost against
who they lost to last week.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Well, I think during the week of practice I would
have maybe put my foot on the pedal just a
little bit more, maybe than even getting ready for the Rams,
just to let them know how I feel about this
game coming up, and not only do that, but verbally
talk to them about this, you know, because it was
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my experience that if you're not ready to play, and
you're not playing with emotion and fired up like you
said Buck you're going to you could lose to anybody.
Anybody could be. It happened to me, and then anyone
can be if your team isn't ready emotionally, and that's
on the coach. That's on the head coach. So get
them ready, talk about it, because they've got a bright
future ahead of them if they take care of business
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against teams. Certainly they should take care of business against
and then maybe pop a couple of the other games
too down the road. And the team has to know that.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Here's something that never happened to you. I'm betting in
your career that you woke up midway through a season
and your team was thirty second in points scored, thirty
second and rushing yards, thirty second in sacks allowed, and
thirtieth in passing yards. I mean, if you would have
just had a nightmare that your statistics were that bad,
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much less it be the reality of your life halfway
through the year, because that's where all the Tennessee Titans
offensive numbers are. I mean, I have a that you
would have like changed your diet the next morning. Jesse,
you never have to have that nightmare again.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Oh you know what, I didn't know those stats, but
that's remarkable. I mean that what you're right, I would
have had nightmares. I wouldn't be able to sleep. And
you know cam Ward, uh, you know, they got a
chance to get hopefully their franchise quarterback for a long time,
first kid drafted and all that. But think what he's
(28:28):
going through and you've seen you've seen listen, You've seen
quarterbacks throughout history get drafted very, very high and just
get the heck beat out of them that rookie year,
and all of a sudden, it takes them a while
to recover from that. But those those numbers are staggering.
I gosh, you know they have some work to do.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Coach, you were mentioning, you know they do have a guy.
Jeffrey Simmons is kind of the guy that could kind
of wreck your situation as far as pass rush goes.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
He's coming right up the middle.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
That's obviously not what any quarterback wants, is some pressure
coming right up the middle.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Is it easy?
Speaker 6 (29:07):
I mean, is this this absolute naive bucky former baseball player,
doesn't know anyth about football talking when I just think, well,
then run that outside zone bucket. Just run away from
that guy and then establish the run and hopefully that
slows you get him going side to side as a
defensive tackle. Hopefully that slows him down to open up
some of the passing game.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
You know, That's that's one way to do it. I
think in the outside zone for an inside man like
he is Simmons, he can because someone on his outside
is going to have to cut him off because that's
how the scheme works. That'll be a tough duty for
one guy, and particularly if you have new people in there.
(29:46):
So to your earlier point, I think there's going to
have to be I'll retract some of the stuff I
said earlier. I think there's going to have to be
early on a plan to double him to take care
of business, depending on I don't know how the other
guys are, but don't let him wreck you by himself,
you know. And I'm not comparing with Reggie White or
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those guys that I had to do that with, But
if you play a team that has somebody like that
that can cause problems for you by himself, then you've
got to take care of it with a double team
or slide the line to him to make sure he
doesn't do it. He doesn't wreck you by himself.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I'm just going to open myself up to criticism here,
but I just want to know just how disappointed you
are in me.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I want you to rate this.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Are you more disappointed that I had my tree up,
that I've already had eggnog, or that I actually have
already wrapped a Christmas present.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
You know, I don't know. I listen it. See, is
how we're being honest with one another. My family. I
talked about you to my family and to the person,
the girls, even the grandkids. They don't understand it. They said,
that's not the rule. I can't do that. And I said, no,
you know, I said, he's really a smart guy. He's
(31:02):
a talent man, but this is what he does. They go,
how how did he grow up? You know what happened? Yeah,
so I'm trying to. I'm trying to, you know, pull
for you with the family. But I think I got
to bring him down to the station. You got to
meet him.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Oh yeah, I'd love to.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I'd love to meet them, and they can take me
to task right here on the show. We'll give them
all the microphone. I thought for sure you were heading
down the road of the kids and your daughters all
liked it.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Now and they're smart.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
No, no, no, But I would say, if you're gonna do,
did you do the tree first?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Tree first?
Speaker 7 (31:37):
The tree?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Okay, yeah, I didn't just have a present line in
the middle of the floor.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, I just.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
You know what, if we have any chance for a
rehab here. Start with the tree. Don't put the tree up.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Okay, all right, I hear your advice.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
I just won't listen.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
I will try to heat it. Have a great weekend
and we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
All right, Right, guys, have a good one.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
All right.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
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Speaker 4 (32:21):
One last thing next because Ashley took off the end
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Speaker 8 (32:37):
Normally we do booze news here, but Ashley, you just
had to get out early, just had to go, right, Yeah,
I gotta go.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Golf, some husky.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
It's an Apple Cup golf tournament at Mill Creek Country Club.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
She doesn't get usually get invited, so she's like, I'm out.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
I hope you put in for a vacation day, right
at least, yeah, community service day or something.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
I mean I'm not complaining. We get Chris Kid for two.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
D that's true. I guess there is some joy in that.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
But anyway, we'll just do one last thing with the room,
well without booze SAMs booze.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
So Bucky get it started.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Well, we were just talking a bit about fantasy football,
and I was going to bring up something fantasy football.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
So we'll just keep going.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
You were talking about which defense goes bad defense against
a bad offense. I'm kind of in that same boat,
but a little bit different.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Bad defense against a bad offense or a good to
great defense against a good.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
To great offense. What do you do? Well?
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Mine kind of is playing off of that. So we
just found out Bucky Irving is not going to play again.
Sean Tucker, the guy that's filled in for him, had
like forty points last week.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I had him on my bench. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Do I put him in my flex spot because part
of me is debating him or Jerry Judy, who's on
the whole thing you were talking about with do you
play the Raiders defense because they're going against an offense?
Speaker 5 (34:03):
But to me.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
It's like, boy, that that Raiders defense gives up like
the most passage. So I was thinking about playing Jerry Judy,
Like maybe this is his breakout game.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
He's I play Judy over Talker. Yeah, Talker might have
been just the dream week it was.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, it best by a mile.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Yeah that he's had all season long or in his
whole career.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
But yeah, that's where I'm kind of leaning.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
It's I typically want to go with the better player
against the worst defense. But when you start talking about
what you were talking about, where it's like, boy, you're
talking about defense. Is to go great defense against a
good offensive team or a bad defense or not so
great defense against a bad offensive team.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I mean, shred door Sanders' debut. I mean, what is
he going to do?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
I mean he might get sacked eleven times and throw
three pick sixes.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
He might be the next to Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Yeah, who knows. Who knows what you're gonna get out
of him? I mean he's taking over a bad offense
and uh, and it's his first full game. I mean Raiders,
you know Max Crosby's going to try to tee off.
I don't know, I don't know what to do on
that front.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
All right, kid, one last thing.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
From kid, this ought to be great.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
I'm not a big fan of celebrating Christmas a little early.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
So with that being said, as.
Speaker 9 (35:14):
The director of Wait until after Thanksgiving a Fair at
a Boy, I'd ask that you not put up your
Christmas tree, Christmas lights, no watching x miss films, or
listen to music. Failure to do so or resulting fines
one dollar per ornament on your tree at a Boy,
twenty five dollars for playing any music, and thirty dollars
for watching a film you can cash at me at
(35:37):
K I, D D S E A.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
All right, all right, commissioner, all right, Chris here, I
like it. Since I have violated every single one of
your rules and we know like three thousand dollars at
this stage in the process, I'm going to also start
my own fund, and I am going to start the
Don't be a Christmas Curmudgeon Fund, and the fine is
(36:00):
fifty thousand dollars every time you criticize anything I do.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
No, no, no, no Christmas curmudgeon fund.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Can you could only be.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
Assessed such penalty if you are a curmudgeon after another holiday,
once you're between Chris, Thanksgiving and Christmas. You need to
then celebrate Christmas, but to do it before Thanksgiving that
is where the fines kick in. That's not curmudgeont ish.
I love Christmas.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Listen, Air commissioners, rules makers, you want to come.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
And live with this beast I live with.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
They gets angry at every single moment of every single day, sparkles. Yeah,
this monster happiness only. Yeah, it's like the abominable snowman.
You don't let her put a tree a star on
the top of the tree, He's gonna eat everybody.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Ah, It's very true.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
That's why I typically am like, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
But when we're just standing on principles, here're standing on
prince across the boards.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I would have never even done this.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
By now, but it makes her happy, and her being
happy in my house is a lot better being unhappy.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
All right, in my house?
Speaker 7 (37:13):
All right?
Speaker 5 (37:13):
You are exempt from said rules.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, and I am not allowed to pull her teeth,
thank you.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Con Cornelius was allowed to pull the Bumbles teeth.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Thank you, Deputy Jack. You appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
All right.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
I'm going to get out here so that kid and
Mark and come close to starting their show.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
On time.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
We will actually, Bucky and Ashley.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Will be talking to you on Monday.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I'm gonna take a few days off, So Happy Thanksgiving
to everyone, and Merry Christmas.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
To you all.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
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We reached the final hour of the week.
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Mike Holmgren.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Later on in the hour, as we do every Friday,
and you millin to get us started. Here in our
nine o'clock hour, we hand the baton to our fastest runner,
uh in the.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Race, you mill and then we let him take it
to the distance.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
How fast he is.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
I think between these two we can let them think
their way around the track.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh you know what I mean. If they're cerebral about it,
don't over realize it.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
You just get there as fast as you can.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Well, if you guys are on my track team and
you and I'm the fastest, oh man, Uh yeah, I
got lousy teammates.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Might be by the way, I think he might be.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
All right, Well, let's uh, let's do our x AS
and o's. So we do this every Friday with our
QB one. And we had a conversation earlier about Sam Darnold.
And look, we all acknowledge he played a bad game.
And I'll go as far as saying he costs the
Seahawks chance to win that game. Well, they had a
chance to win the game, but they cost the He
cost the team the game. His play is the reason
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why we lost the game against the Los Angeles Rams.
But I in no way want him to change the
way he's played this year. Let it rip, as Mike
McDonald said after the game was over, And I'm just
curious as to what kind of mindset you think Sam
might enter this game with on Sunday, considering how great
a year he's had, about how bad a game he
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played in terms of mistakes on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
That's one of the most difficult parts about playing the
position is is that to play your best, you can't
second the guess, you know, you know, imagine, I don't
think it's terribly unlike you know, when you're you're driving
down a pretty fast road, maybe the speed limits forty
five or fifty, and the light turns yellow. You know
those times where you go, oh my god, it's right
(02:40):
at that split second where do I go or do
I stop? You know, well, imagine you know every intersection
is like that. Well that that's kind of you know,
so you can't overthink it. You know, Dan Marino, I
got to the dolphins. He used to say ltff, baby ltff,
And you know, I go, well, what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
And is let the effort fly?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
You know?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And uh, you know, and and so I think that
there there has to be uh you know that idea. Okay, yes,
you gotta be cautious. You gotta you can't just play,
you know, carry on the analogy.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You're looking for green lights like defense, tell me clearly
where to go with the ball, like right now, the
fastest possible. It doesn't always happen that way. There's disguises,
you have pressure, and and then sometimes you have to
live in the yellow. You know it's a yellow light,
but you gotta you gotta throw early. You gotta put
the ball to a spot where, yeah, I you know
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it's gonna be tough, but you got to get completions
on yellow lights you can't. And then of course when
there's red lights, that's when red light is no, don't
throw it here. And I think what Sam darnold? He
he was running too many yellows and he ran a
couple of reds. But but the first thing I would
say is is the team has got to be But
if you're looking at those four interceptions, the team has
(04:03):
got to be better around him on a few of them. Oloa,
Timmy got trucked. I don't like the scheme where you
put him on an island.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
You had.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Cooper Cup went nearly nineteen yards a full eighteen and
a half for sure on a deep hook. Well, I
went filtered the NFL. The coaches tape on all the
completions this year filtered seventeen to twenty two yards on
deep hook, and all of those sixteen completions in that range,
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because that's a relatively deep hook that there was not
one that was a press coverage. You got a whole
if you're pressed at the line, you've got to shorten
up that route. So that could have helped him. On
the third and nine, the second interception we talked about JSN,
(04:56):
his inside leg was four. That means it's a seventh
step uh speed out instead of a six. I I'd
rather have it that at at six. Almost every team
does six. But let's assume they're gonna go to seven.
Let's get to Sam Bradford's part. He Sam Bradford, I'm sorry,
I'm Sam Donald. Yeah, I'm thinking of Anthony Bradford because
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that guy just you know, haunts my my every waking moment.
We'll get him, uh, you know, and he he cost us,
you know, he he was a blind.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
To the uh the the.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Stunt on the second interception, and and so the line
has simply got to be better. And and even that
last uh, that last interception, A Lucas didn't pick up
a stunt and so there was no chance to get
back late. But so if I'm quarterback coaching Sam Donald,
I would say, on the first one, look Olo gets trucked.
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We can't control that. We we got an opportunity. You're
sliding to your left now instead of throwing that. Actually,
you're you're doing a good job of staying in the
past seen position there hip hips perpendicular to the line
scrimmage more or less. Now it's time to actually get
out of the passing position. Flush left, look for something
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that was first and ten. Look for something made it
was man coverage. Maybe somebody uncovers K nine. Possibly maybe
Cooper Cup. You distort the defense a little, Maybe he
finds a way to break off his route and give
you an opportunity. Otherwise, just airmail it, Eric, go go
give the ball to throw it to Sean McVay. How
about that, he's right there on that sideline the second one,
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third and nine, two point one seconds. There is no chance.
Anthony Bradford absolutely screwed him.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
And so but it's.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Third and nine and you and the score is fourteen
to nine. Your defense is playing great. It's the third quarter,
you're only down five points, you're close to midfield. You know,
just skymail that we're punting. It's okay. How many times
do you come back at the end of the game
and you say, you know what, that incompletion and cost
us the game. It doesn't happen, right, It's it's the
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it's the interceptions, it's the it's the sacks, it's the
it's the the scoop, you know, the scoop and score sacks,
what what have you?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
So?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So with this defense and incompletion is okay. I think
that Brett, I don't know in Sam Darnolds had but
I think that the playoff game against the Rams had
been in his mind where he took nine sacks, which
with the whole Viking line had been overrun. You could
say a couple of them more on Donald's fault, but
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I think that he was so determined to avoid sacks
that that he didn't take any sacks. But you know
he put the ball obviously in harm's way on the
third one. That's a coverage read. That's a problem. He's
got to see, Hey, we're rolled coverage, don't That was
the one Elijah Royo on the bender and and Greg Olsen,
(07:55):
a tight end himself, said hey, Royo should have gone
on a flatter angle, And I agree that that could
have helped. But I think that it was such a murky.
That was a red light. Getting back to that, that
was a red light and he mis read the coverage
it was it was what's called cover six. He rolled
to the boundary, you had off coverage to the field,
and you had heat on his speed out. You gotta
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you gotta, you know, go back and smoke the ball
to the left sideline. Yes, it's a far side throw,
but if you throw with the right timing, then you
got a chance for completion. So I think his eyes
were in the wrong place there. And then UH. And
then the last one, he does the jump pass to
try and avert the sack so that he doesn't knock
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the Seahawks out of field goal range. But on that one,
again that was he misread the coverage. It was what's
called a two invert, the disguised coverage. It looks like
a single high then the corner to the left over
JSN he's gonna go kind of to the half field,
and so there's an opportunity to hit that out route.
So and on that one there was time. Of the
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four interceptions, there was clear time to throw to the Uh,
the open guy. And so if you misread the coverage,
every quarterback does that. You misread the coverage. Now you
come back and this is where a point Rashid Shahed
was running. Then in route if there's a defender there.
You can either this is the terminol do You can
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either slip slip underneath him. That's not called slip, or
you can rap. Let me say it again, slip underneath,
rap over the top. So he's looking for Rashid Shahed
and and Shahed is wrapping over the top of that
underneath defender. But the angle is a little it's a
little bit nebulous. And this get back gets back to
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you're one with the quarterback, you're one with the offensive coordinator,
and like you're month one with a receiver that you're
looking on a very uh uh you know, precise route
where JSN has had a ton of rap routes this
season on completions, but more than I can count. Uh
and and he declares himself, like you it's easier to
(10:04):
pick up JSN. Well, now you're learning receipts heat. It
was a little ambiguous just looking at the tape, so
that's got to be get cleaned up. But then you
know the the the interception, it's just again it's dirt
the ball, and that would be the takeaway incompletions are okay,
even sacks are okay. And I think he was trying
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so hard to avoid the sacks. So I think that's
the takeaway for him is, remember, dude, you got a
great defense all these plays. You know, we're we're the
first three of the four you were you know, no
more than five points down. Just just dirt the ball,
live for another down and if it's third down, it's
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okay to punt with this defense.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Okay, Well, I mean, is there a chance that he's
going to have to use exactly what you're talking about,
that discretion and and maybe at times live you know,
punt and live to fight another day. Because of the
interior offensive line of the Shawks. I mean, that's maybe
the one strength that it might be coming at you
is a guy on the you know, coming up the
middle against our guys, and we don't even if we're
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gonna have all three of our.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Starters out there, Wilson Dell's on I are you know,
this is like the ghost of offensive line pass that
we're gonna be watching Sunday, where we're gonna be see
Haynes and Olo, Timmy and Bradford and Jacob Marley. Yes, right,
there's gonna Sam Darnold is gonna be hearing chains cracklely,
(11:31):
you know, you know, on his backside. But but you
know Anthony Bradford, you know he's he's out of eighty
six offensive guards. PFF has him eight, ranked eighty third,
you know, and and Olo Timmy.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You know, it's.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It's like if you went back and you had a chance.
I always play this game from a personnel standpoint. I say,
if you could go back on draft day and John
Schneider had a crystal ball only of the of that
player's career. He doesn't get the crystal ball of all
the other players. He only gets the crystal ball of
that player he's about to pick, and you could see
(12:08):
what's gonna happen in his career, would you would you,
knowing what you see, would you draft him? And of
course that slides based on the round. Right, there's gonna
have a different standard in the fifth round than the
first round. But just as a general rule, we say, no,
I'll throw that fish back in the water and I'll
take somebody else. Well, you know you're not gonna take
(12:30):
Anthony Bradford. You're not gonna take Olua Timmy, You're not
gonna take Christian Haynes. All of them have been a disappointment,
and they're all gonna be on the interior of the
offensive line here this Sunday. So so yeah, that's that's
that's a part here. Donald has talked about, hey, I've
got to get to my checkdown more. Well, out of
thirty eight qualifying quarterbacks, uh, Donald has got to his
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check down eight point seven percent of the time. That's
that's ranked thirty three out of third He out of
thirty eight, he doesn't get to his checkdown. Well, we
generally think, well, that's good, that's admirable. What's the problem
with that? His first read he's second out of thirty eight.
Only Davis Mills has more, and he's essentially a backup.
So out of the real starters, he Darnold gets to
his first read at sixty two percent, exactly sixty two percent.
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He's number one in the NFL. That's partly because he
makes good reads about hey, let me go to my
first read based on the coverage. He didn't do that
against the Rams, and this offensive line is unlikely to
give him that that opportunity. And you know, while we're
on the subject, Number ninety eight, Jeffrey Simmons is really
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the only problem that the Titans present to you a
phenomenal defensive tackle. He is lined up over what would
be bad for one hundred and forty six times what
will be Christian Haanes one hundred and fifteen. But he's
also been out to the edges, you know, on the
left edge against Abe Lucas, he's had seventy six snaps,
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the right edge again and cross he's had fifty one snaps.
So he's going to try his hand on everybody. But
in interior, that offensive line's going to affect Sam Darnold
because he may not have a chance to get to
his second third reads as he's been talking about this week.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
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You know the mountains turn blue at forty two degrees. Well,
we've turned up the heat on this ken Walker conversation
this week. I think this show firmly endorses Ken Walker
getting more carries, being the number one running back. And
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yet and yet, Bucky pointed out earlier this week that
Zach Charbonay is so much better of a pass blocker
than Walker, according to PFF. And I'm wondering, considering your
offensive line questions that you're bringing to the table on Sunday,
does that take away at all from your zest to
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get Ken Walker more carries this week? Does that even
ripple the waters for you when it comes to your
desire to see K nine be used more frequently?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Well, I think that I think what you're referring to
is last week PFF's great. I don't think on balance
there's any real discernible difference. I mean, I can't even
count the number of times where I've been disappointed about Sharbonnay.
He either he either doesn't recognize where he's supposed to be.
Uh in one of those one of those sacks he uh,
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he was you know, he's trying to chip. He just
got in the way. He takes on a block with
the wrong shoulder on a pass block. You know, because
there's a point where you're coach and you say, look,
we don't want you to lose the block. We know
you can't block forever if you're gonna lose. If and
when you lose the block, it's got to be to
you know, to the outside, based on where the quarterback is,
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don't so, which means keep your head in the hole,
you and and use your left shoulder. If you use
your right shoulder, you're gonna far more likely to lose
the battle. And he's and he's got the inside pathway
to the quarterback. Like I'm, I'm, I don't subscribe to
the idea that that you get a big lift by
having Sharbone in there as a pass blocker. That's just
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me grading on the team. So but but if you
want to say, look, I don't think it's uncommon to say, hey,
we want Canine to be our first and second down guy,
and then on third and obvious situations if Sharbonne, if
you think he's your pass block specialist, okay, go go
put him in there. I think Canine can be a
three down back because I love the checkdown to him.
You know, I love the draw to him. So I'm
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I'm going to push back on that. I think certainly
pro football focus gets more right than they get wrong.
But if we're just going off of one game and
not you know, the body of work, yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
You see it with your eyeballs.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
I'll trust your eyeballs over what PFF, because I don't
trust all of When I was bringing up though it
was the entirety of this season. I mean it's it's
Ken Walker is great at twenty nine and Zach Jarmony
is great at a forty five point eight.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
It's it was a.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
Big enough difference that I thought, maybe that's why they
have him in there on those situations.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
No, no, I appreciate it, and you're you're right to
push back on me. I I just look, I think
sometimes the winning where I don't like PFF and pass
blocking sometimes is is where they say, Okay, you didn't
allow a pressure from your guy, but you got trucked
back in. You know, you stayed between the defender and
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the quarterback, but you just got manhandled and you're in
the quarterback's lap. You totally disrupted the play, and then
all of a sudden, PFF will say, well, yeah, but
you didn't give up the sack, so we'll give you
an okay, greade. So I don't know. I look, it's
it's a fair it's certainly a salient point. Like if
you are if you are that inferior as a pass blocker,
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that's a problem because this is the NFL. It's twenty
twenty five, not nineteen twenty five. You have to pass block.
I just as you know, a guy who studies this
tape at all, I just wouldn't say there's a big difference,
you know, for one over the other in pass block.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Gosh buck, he's pushing back on you.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Well, not really, No, I like it right, and you
know what he's and you know what, you know what.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
He's bringing facts though, I mean the fact that what
Bucky says on the facts the PFF. So the only
way that I can retort that is either to say
that those those facts are insignificant or there's other facts
that supersede those facts. But no, he's he's bringing he's
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bringing it up against my chin at ninety eight, and
he's said it was more.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Like a probably eighty one mile an hour sinker that
got away from me a little bit. And then I
just immediately went sorry about that. No, sorry, it was
just that it wasn't. My only thing is when it
comes to the PFF, I don't typically use much on
game the game because I don't understand how they go
from sixty to eighty to forty or twenty. I just
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watch it with my eyes and then ask you to
decipher it. Is Bradford look as bad as because PFF
has like him and grades Abel similar like number wise,
so we don't we don't have time to get into
all that. But it's I don't know how to judge PFF.
I just look at it and go, maybe that's something
to ask you about.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, yeah, and again that's that.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
That would be the one part that I say, you know,
because Charles Cross has been you know, has graded relatively high,
and I think he's much better this year. But there
was was it last year or the year before?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I just I remember just going, Charles Cross, you are
on freaking ice skates every damn play like you're in
Gino's lap, and every if he has any progression to
his left side, like you you are just absolutely right
in Geno's face. And uh and and so but yet
I'm seeing that he's getting pretty good past blocking grades
(20:10):
because because there's no pressures, and I'm like, okay, I
don't I don't agree with that. So yeah, and as
you said, great grades able, he's uh uh you know,
he's graded relatively poor himself. Uh you know, he he's
forty seventh and in past blocking, you know, which is
a good bit better than Anthony Bradford at eighty third.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
But hey, there's really no way to slice that Anthony
Bradford story. All right, man, Well, I enjoy the football
this weekend, and these guys they'll grill you come Monday morning.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I love it all right, hammer down, enjoy guys.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
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Speaker 4 (21:48):
Stick around to say Aaloda Coach before she set off
with the.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Weekend It's nice.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Yeah, the earlier she was like, I don't really care
if I say hi to coach home Grid at all.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I think that's what I heard her say.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, something like that. Oh oh yeah, she's responding. It
was one I know that.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I know that. Uh uh, no, wonder she's his third favorite.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I think for it actually, Yeah, joining us now on
the program is the legendary Mike Ombrin here on Chuck
and buckome morning sir, Friday. Happy Friday to you as well.
Are you glad Ashley's not here to mess up the conversation?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Coach?
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Well, I said, boy, I don't want to if you
go on not coming on? And then I didn't know
Chris is in the room. You heard me say that.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Oh that might have been while your mic was potted
down right there at the beginning.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Yeah, would you pat it up for me please?
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Yeah, yeah, we'll do it we can. He doesn't mean it, kid.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
K it'll take it personally, he'll cry a little bit.
All right.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Coach, Uh, if you have Sam Darnold, you're you're the
head coach and he's had a terrific season for you.
But it's coming off a rough performance for interception performance
on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
How are you coaching.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Him all week long so that that doesn't affect him
going forward?
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Well, I think you kind of reference what he's done
so far, but you don't ignore the fact that you
know that was a bad game last week, and you
correct it. You go over what happened, and then you say, Okay,
that's done. Now we're moving on. So every once in
a while, the guy has a bad game, and he
had one last week, but now you move on. He's
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done enough good things that he should you know, it
should be fine. I still believe in him a lot.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
How long does it take before you start reigning somebody
in because the idea of wanting them to try to
slip it in that day, you know, Hugh was kind
of breaking down the idea of you know, there's obvious
throws that are green lights, and then there's yellow lights,
and then there's red lights. Obviously a red light stop,
but you have to complete some yellow light throws. And
yet if those start turning into you know, turnover into turnovers,
(24:03):
then you have to be like, okay, well maybe your
yellow light needs to be a little bit less uh,
or you need to not press those quite as much.
So how how how much of a leash do you
give a guy? Because I agree, I think he's done
far too good to then you know, clip his wings
at this point. And yet when does that time come?
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Well, you you have to see a correction. I think
if if he's if any quarterback makes the same mistake
time and time again, then all of a sudden, then
then you have to either take change your offense, change
how you think it a certain part of the field,
say the red zone or where the things are happening.
But you know, the good quarterbacks usually can make the correction.
(24:42):
You know, I think last night, you know Josh Allen,
he got kind of crazy, and he did early in
his career and now look at him. So it's but
you can't ignore it. You have to. Sometimes it's tough love.
As I said with Brett Farv, you know, it's you
just have to bang it around and then hope changes.
And most of the time it's been my experience that
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the good ones change.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
There is a chance he could miss be missing a
couple of his starting offensive linemen on Sunday. Are you
going to hack that head on, maybe keep an extra
guy in for protection, or will you just wait till
game day and see if the backups hold up?
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Well, then, you know, that's a very good point. I
think pressure has been when interceptions have been throwing. Pressure
has been the problem. And so I don't know much
about Tennessee, to be honest with you, I think one
of their guys, one of their guys is really good,
you know. And so no, I think you have to look,
I wouldn't I wouldn't alter the pass protection scheme all
(25:45):
that much in the beginning of the game see how
it's going, but be prepared to do that if you
had to. And but you know, this is one of
those games guys that I the seah Owks should take
care of business against this team. And so I'm hopeful
that any problems we saw last week, you know, are
(26:06):
now behind us. Well.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I mean, I agree, I think they're going to beat them.
I think they're going to beat them. Handedly and yet
that the key to that is that you've got to
show up and not think you just throw your jock
on the field and it's going to work out in
your favor. You've got to go take it from them.
I mean, there's still NFL players for crying not loud.
So how do you make sure that your team is
properly motivated, especially coming off of probably what is the
(26:29):
most painful loss, the way in which they lost against
who they lost to last week.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Well, I think during the week of practice I would
have maybe put my foot on the pedal just a
little bit more, maybe than even getting ready for the Rams,
just to let them know how I feel about this
game coming up, and not only do that, but verbally
talk to them about this, you know, because it was
(26:56):
my experience that if you're not ready to play, and
you're not playing with emotion and fired up like you
said Buck you're going to you could lose to anybody.
Anybody could be. It happened to me, and then anyone
can be if your team isn't ready emotionally, and that's
on the coach. That's on the head coach. So get
them ready, talk about it, because they've got a bright
future ahead of them if they take care of business
(27:18):
against teams. Certainly they should take care of business against
and then maybe pop a couple of the other games
too down the road. And the team has to know that.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Here's something that never happened to you. I'm betting in
your career that you woke up midway through a season
and your team was thirty second in points scored, thirty
second and rushing yards, thirty second in sacks allowed, and
thirtieth in passing yards. I mean, if you would have
just had a nightmare that your statistics were that bad,
(27:51):
much less it be the reality of your life halfway
through the year, because that's where all the Tennessee Titans
offensive numbers are. I mean, I have a that you
would have like changed your diet the next morning. Jesse,
you never have to have that nightmare again.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Oh you know what, I didn't know those stats, but
that's remarkable. I mean that what you're right, I would
have had nightmares. I wouldn't be able to sleep. And
you know cam Ward, uh, you know, they got a
chance to get hopefully their franchise quarterback for a long time,
first kid drafted and all that. But think what he's
(28:28):
going through and you've seen you've seen listen, You've seen
quarterbacks throughout history get drafted very, very high and just
get the heck beat out of them that rookie year,
and all of a sudden, it takes them a while
to recover from that. But those those numbers are staggering.
I gosh, you know they have some work to do.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Coach, you were mentioning, you know they do have a guy.
Jeffrey Simmons is kind of the guy that could kind
of wreck your situation as far as pass rush goes.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
He's coming right up the middle.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
That's obviously not what any quarterback wants, is some pressure
coming right up the middle.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Is it easy?
Speaker 6 (29:07):
I mean, is this this absolute naive bucky former baseball player,
doesn't know anyth about football talking when I just think, well,
then run that outside zone bucket. Just run away from
that guy and then establish the run and hopefully that
slows you get him going side to side as a
defensive tackle. Hopefully that slows him down to open up
some of the passing game.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
You know, That's that's one way to do it. I
think in the outside zone for an inside man like
he is Simmons, he can because someone on his outside
is going to have to cut him off because that's
how the scheme works. That'll be a tough duty for
one guy, and particularly if you have new people in there.
(29:46):
So to your earlier point, I think there's going to
have to be I'll retract some of the stuff I
said earlier. I think there's going to have to be
early on a plan to double him to take care
of business, depending on I don't know how the other
guys are, but don't let him wreck you by himself,
you know. And I'm not comparing with Reggie White or
(30:08):
those guys that I had to do that with, But
if you play a team that has somebody like that
that can cause problems for you by himself, then you've
got to take care of it with a double team
or slide the line to him to make sure he
doesn't do it. He doesn't wreck you by himself.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I'm just going to open myself up to criticism here,
but I just want to know just how disappointed you
are in me.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I want you to rate this.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Are you more disappointed that I had my tree up,
that I've already had eggnog, or that I actually have
already wrapped a Christmas present.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
You know, I don't know. I listen it. See, is
how we're being honest with one another. My family. I
talked about you to my family and to the person,
the girls, even the grandkids. They don't understand it. They said,
that's not the rule. I can't do that. And I said, no,
you know, I said, he's really a smart guy. He's
(31:02):
a talent man, but this is what he does. They go,
how how did he grow up? You know what happened? Yeah,
so I'm trying to. I'm trying to, you know, pull
for you with the family. But I think I got
to bring him down to the station. You got to
meet him.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Oh yeah, I'd love to.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I'd love to meet them, and they can take me
to task right here on the show. We'll give them
all the microphone. I thought for sure you were heading
down the road of the kids and your daughters all
liked it.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Now and they're smart.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
No, no, no, But I would say, if you're gonna do,
did you do the tree first?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Tree first?
Speaker 7 (31:37):
The tree?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Okay, yeah, I didn't just have a present line in
the middle of the floor.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, I just.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
You know what, if we have any chance for a
rehab here. Start with the tree. Don't put the tree up.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Okay, all right, I hear your advice.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
I just won't listen.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
I will try to heat it. Have a great weekend
and we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
All right, Right, guys, have a good one.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
All right.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
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Speaker 4 (32:21):
One last thing next because Ashley took off the end
of the show, and I guess you took all the
booze Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. All right,
final segment of the week.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
Normally we do booze news here, but Ashley, you just
had to get out early, just had to go, right, Yeah,
I gotta go.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Golf, some husky.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
It's an Apple Cup golf tournament at Mill Creek Country Club.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
She doesn't get usually get invited, so she's like, I'm out.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
I hope you put in for a vacation day, right
at least, yeah, community service day or something.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
I mean I'm not complaining. We get Chris Kid for two.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
D that's true. I guess there is some joy in that.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
But anyway, we'll just do one last thing with the room,
well without booze SAMs booze.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
So Bucky get it started.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Well, we were just talking a bit about fantasy football,
and I was going to bring up something fantasy football.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
So we'll just keep going.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
You were talking about which defense goes bad defense against
a bad offense. I'm kind of in that same boat,
but a little bit different.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Bad defense against a bad offense or a good to
great defense against a good.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
To great offense. What do you do? Well?
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Mine kind of is playing off of that. So we
just found out Bucky Irving is not going to play again.
Sean Tucker, the guy that's filled in for him, had
like forty points last week.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I had him on my bench. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Do I put him in my flex spot because part
of me is debating him or Jerry Judy, who's on
the whole thing you were talking about with do you
play the Raiders defense because they're going against an offense?
Speaker 5 (34:03):
But to me.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
It's like, boy, that that Raiders defense gives up like
the most passage. So I was thinking about playing Jerry Judy,
Like maybe this is his breakout game.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
He's I play Judy over Talker. Yeah, Talker might have
been just the dream week it was.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, it best by a mile.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Yeah that he's had all season long or in his
whole career.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
But yeah, that's where I'm kind of leaning.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
It's I typically want to go with the better player
against the worst defense. But when you start talking about
what you were talking about, where it's like, boy, you're
talking about defense. Is to go great defense against a
good offensive team or a bad defense or not so
great defense against a bad offensive team.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I mean, shred door Sanders' debut. I mean, what is
he going to do?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
I mean he might get sacked eleven times and throw
three pick sixes.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
He might be the next to Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Yeah, who knows. Who knows what you're gonna get out
of him? I mean he's taking over a bad offense
and uh, and it's his first full game. I mean Raiders,
you know Max Crosby's going to try to tee off.
I don't know, I don't know what to do on
that front.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
All right, kid, one last thing.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
From kid, this ought to be great.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
I'm not a big fan of celebrating Christmas a little early.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
So with that being said, as.
Speaker 9 (35:14):
The director of Wait until after Thanksgiving a Fair at
a Boy, I'd ask that you not put up your
Christmas tree, Christmas lights, no watching x miss films, or
listen to music. Failure to do so or resulting fines
one dollar per ornament on your tree at a Boy,
twenty five dollars for playing any music, and thirty dollars
for watching a film you can cash at me at
(35:37):
K I, D D S E A.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
All right, all right, commissioner, all right, Chris here, I
like it. Since I have violated every single one of
your rules and we know like three thousand dollars at
this stage in the process, I'm going to also start
my own fund, and I am going to start the
Don't be a Christmas Curmudgeon Fund, and the fine is
(36:00):
fifty thousand dollars every time you criticize anything I do.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
No, no, no, no Christmas curmudgeon fund.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Can you could only be.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
Assessed such penalty if you are a curmudgeon after another holiday,
once you're between Chris, Thanksgiving and Christmas. You need to
then celebrate Christmas, but to do it before Thanksgiving that
is where the fines kick in. That's not curmudgeont ish.
I love Christmas.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Listen, Air commissioners, rules makers, you want to come.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
And live with this beast I live with.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
They gets angry at every single moment of every single day, sparkles. Yeah,
this monster happiness only. Yeah, it's like the abominable snowman.
You don't let her put a tree a star on
the top of the tree, He's gonna eat everybody.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Ah, It's very true.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
That's why I typically am like, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
But when we're just standing on principles, here're standing on
prince across the boards.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I would have never even done this.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
By now, but it makes her happy, and her being
happy in my house is a lot better being unhappy.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
All right, in my house?
Speaker 7 (37:13):
All right?
Speaker 5 (37:13):
You are exempt from said rules.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, and I am not allowed to pull her teeth,
thank you.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Con Cornelius was allowed to pull the Bumbles teeth.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Thank you, Deputy Jack. You appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
All right.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
I'm going to get out here so that kid and
Mark and come close to starting their show.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
On time.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
We will actually, Bucky and Ashley.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Will be talking to you on Monday.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I'm gonna take a few days off, So Happy Thanksgiving
to everyone, and Merry Christmas.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
To you all.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
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