November 24, 2025 • 37 mins
MMQB continues with MIKE HOLMGREN and HUGH MILLEN Earlier Gregg brought up the name Jerry Rice when talking about JSN’s 63-yard touchdown, so we get Coach and Hugh’s thoughts on who he might be comparable to? Hugh has some comparisons and Coach has got some stories! :30- Does Coach have any worries or concerns after the Seahawks allowed the Titans to make the game so close? Taking a look at the run game- do they need to use Walker more? Charbonnet vs Walker :45- We close out the Monday show with one last thing for Coach Holmgren.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:53):
Touchdown sixty three yard yesterday was an improv route. It
wasn't called that way when they saw they had a
safety manned up on him when he went in motion.
So that's when Smith and Jigott changed its route and.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Then that play was made because the offensive line gave
Darnold time. Often he doesn't get that much time to
come out Smith and Jiggy to run a forty yard
route from left to wreck, and that's what he did,
and he was able to cross the.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Field and become open.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
And when you have.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
That much time, you're often going to get Smith and
Jiggbit open. But that play in particular, sixty three yard touchdown.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Guys, he looked at me like Jerry Rice.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
His body control, his speed is changing his speed on
the defensive back.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
That was Greg Bell we had on earlier. We actually
had him on I think at midnight or something. We
had to have we recorded him before the show because
he was getting on a plane. He might have actually
been having a lady buckle his own seat belt for
him right there. But by the way, one thing before
I get into this, actually I did not realize these guys,
I mean, the knowledge and wisdom we get from coach
(01:57):
Holmgren and Hugh there's we must be in a pretty
penny for that, because I mean, these guys, there's like
eighty seven sponsors for these There's a lot, yeah, I
mean a lot of people. A lot of people want
to be attached to you guys. Well, there's one attach
to me. I think eighty six attached to Hugh. Yeah.
Well you got Toyota of Kirkland here, You've probably got
(02:18):
multiple cars from them, are on our Foundation special slapjacket.
You got all kinds of You got all kinds of stuff, Coach,
and understandably so I would like to sponsor you if
I could. I have five dollars. Would that give me anything? No,
just bring me the dip at Christmas. Okay, okay, done,
done and done. Welcome back to Sports Radio ninety three
point three k yards the Chuck and Buck Show minus Chuck,
(02:39):
just Buck and Ashley. But the last hour we had Hugh.
We got all of his insight, or some of his insight.
There's more in that big brain on. It always is more.
There's always there's always more, Coach, but there's always more
in you. Where I called George wisdom. Right now we
get the wisdom of the show. We had just played
a highlight. We'll get to the general thoughts. I want
to get into this JSN thing first. So we just
(03:02):
played a little bit of the snippet of of Greg
Bell coming on earlier, and he even threw out the
Jerry Rice name and in some of the things that
he's seeing out of him. I talked to Hugh about
it last hour, and yet he hasn't got to get
into his comps yet. When somebody says what they're seeing
JSN do reminds them of Jerry Rice? Is there any
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part of you that's seeing that or is it somebody
else that you're seeing? Well, you know, when I watch
him play, this is JSN. You know, I'm He's he's great.
I mean, he is really something, He's special. I'm always
I've always been reluctant to compare players, however, you know,
because I've been asked many times. You know, you got
you had Montanna, you had young, you had five, you
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had asked the back who was the best one? Well,
I'm I'm you know, they're all great, and they're all
great in their own way.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Jerry Rice, though, is acknowledged to be the finest receiver
that's played the game. His numbers proved that he was bigger.
He's bigger, bigger man than js EN. But so I'd
be reluctant to compare him. Yet jess En' is just starting.
He's just starting in his career right. But having said that,
(04:15):
I watch him. He is really something. He makes it
look easy. He's got great hands, he knows how to
get open. He understands defenses. That seems to me very clearly.
So he's great. I just just put the brakes on
just a little bit. Comparing him to Jerry Rice, Yeah,
(04:35):
I understand, Hugh. Where would you didn't get to really
say who your comp would be.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Well, the reason I look as far as as the
hands and the finishing ability. Jerry Rice came in the
league and he he dropped a lot of balls his
rookie year. There were people were down on him and
and he just willed himself into having great hands and
he was dynamic run after the catch. The reason I
wouldn't camp Jerry Rice Mike is Jerry Rice was six
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foot two, very high cut guy, long legged at six
foot two, and you know they say he didn't have
elite speed. Nobody ever caught him, But I just thought
that he had an ability. Rice's great impression on me.
I was in the NFC West Rams and Falcons played
him twice a day. Mike coached him. So Mike has
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a far better and intricate knowledge, but I would see Rice.
He could get full speed going really quick. He could
stop really quick for a large man, and he could
accelerate back going really quick. So I think there was
a stop and acceleration elite part of his game. But
the body control, you know. Again, Rice was a taller
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guy and long legged. Deboot you've got in JSN six
foot and a half and short legged. So his speed
cuts and radius turns, they look different to my eye
than Jerry. To me, I would say like a Reggie
Wayne would be a comp. Possibly a Tim Brown, you know,
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right around that height. Andre Risen I played with Andrey Risen.
Mike coached him in a Super Bowl. I think Risen
would be a comp for me. You know, maybe Andre
Reid for the Bills for those who can remember him.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
How about Steve? How about Steve Smith?
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Steve Smith, I would Mike, I would almost push him
into a shorter cat. You know, he was little stronger
and stockier, so so I would put put him in
the five nine five ten stocky category, whereas Rice, I think,
you know, Tim Brown, you know, Isaac Bruce and and
Tory Holt were around that height, but I think they
were skinnier. Uh. They were beautiful route runners, but I
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think in a I think Isaac Bruce would be a
smaller Jerry Rice and in stylistically, but I would I
would go with maybe a Reggie Wayne. I mean, Reggie
Wayne's at that height has the fourth most amount of
receiving yards in the history of the NFL. That's a
compliment to say him. But you know, and for guys,
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I played with Andre rise and had great body controlled
due to his stature, you know, strong legs, relatively short legs,
but that allowed him to do those those quick radius
speed turns, Mike.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
So if he's just if he just wear a shirt
on the airplane, Andre Rison, then we could really compare
him to a lot of people, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
The story there. Then take us down that ye, take
us down the aisle on that airport.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
No, we signed Andre Risen and he helped us win
the Super Bowl, and I really liked him. You know,
he's a little bit of a wucky guy, you know.
But first game he's traveling with us. We're traveling and
I had always told the flight attendants if there's a
problem of any kind, and we didn't have a bunch
of problems, but if there's a problem of any kind,
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come to me, don't go to don't go to anyone else.
Come to me and I'll handle it. She comes up
to me and goes, mister Homegren, I have I what
to spit it out? What's wrong? Well, there's a young
man in the back. He's doesn't have any shirt clothes,
he doesn't have his shirt on or anything, you know,
and they're eating dinner. So I go back there and
(08:15):
Ryse is there. He's eating no shirt. I go, how
are you doing? Andre? Oh, good coach, he's a good food.
I said, listen, let me ask you a question. Look
around the room and tell me what's different. And he goes, oh,
you mean my shirt? I said, yes, yeah, you nailed
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your shirt. I said.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
He goes, what.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
I listen, I always want everyone to wear all their
clothes when they're eating dinner. Okay, so put on your shirt,
and in the future, wear your clothes when you're eating dinner. Okay, okay, okay,
sure he puts it on here. Just that's it, no reason. Okay, well,
oh yeah, but getting back to the important stuff. No,
he was. He was really good. But you know what,
(09:00):
he had trouble remembering plays? Oh he did, so, I
told Farv every time you call a play, now, he
was new to us. Before you break the huddle, look
at him and say do this. Just tell him he
couldn't hear the play, and say what to do? You know,
I get it, Yeah, I get it. I stopped playing
in high school and Ray Brown was my coach. I
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don't remember him.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
He was a in the NFL with the Browns, and
he would get so frustrated because there they'd call plays
sometimes and I'm like, I just beg what well, and
He's like, go get the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
No, okay, Rising. I coached a number of Pro Bowls
and you'd have you know, Herman Moore, you'd have Michael Irvin,
the guys of Hugs and then Rizon and Jerry Rice,
all these great receivers. So I called plays from the sideline,
you know, and I get Rising. I go, okay, run
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twenty two z in, which is a simple play ran
all the time. And okay, he'd run in there, which
was twenty yards to the huddle, and Rydald McDaniel look
over me, he goes Rising in that time forgot, I
forgot what to call, and I go okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
So he wasn't. He wasn't the one with a green
dot now before green dots were a thing.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Then we're doing a disservice to JAYSN because JSN has
a football IQ apparently, Mike just watching the tape. Oh no,
it's like next level stuff. He is what do you
see with him?
Speaker 5 (10:31):
He is unbelievable and he does it. He does it
all and he catches the ball so well in his
body mechanics, and he's not a big, big guy, but
he boy, he is hard to cover and he's always open.
I'm going, how what are teams when they're preparing for
the Seahawks? You start defensively, you start, what are we
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going to do about that young man? What are we
going to do? And no one's done it? No one,
in my opinion, is done. Now I'm looking at I'm
looking at their defensive backs. I thought were really bad,
really bad in that game, you know, from spacing and
angles and all sorts of stuff from contain on the run.
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I just thought they had a very poor game offense
and defensively.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Mike, you know, just picking up on his instincts. There.
There was a play the sex are down in the
red zone at the Tennessee thirteen yard line and on
a little on a five and in. I don't know
if you called it a China or finn whatever your
terminology was, but but I'm watching this and Jaysn gets
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his right foot is outside foot to a seven the
seven and a half yard line. But then as the
play is getting slow, he's going into the teeth of
his own defense. I believe on that one it was
a two deep five hunder, So he's going into the
the curl defender on the opposite side, Mike pass the
hook defender, and he's going in there. Darnold is kind
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of moving around the pocket. JSN loses ground and he goes.
He goes from the seven and a half yard line
of Tennessee. He loses ground back to the eleven yard line.
The NFL categorized it as two air yards. Now he
was able to avoid that guy and get the sideline.
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That was only he only got one yard out of
the play, so it's it's not gonna make anybody's highlight tape.
But Mike, I was sitting there thinking if I had
to wait for the next time I saw a receiver
do that lose that much ground instinctively to help the
quarterback and get in front of that zone. Defender. I
don't know how long i'd look. I mean, he just
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does stuff that is just so next level with his IQ.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yeah, no, he is. He's a special player. And listen,
that's what that's what they need. Contrary to that, I
think the new the new young man that they got
what's his name the receiver? Yeah, uh, you know we
always in you knows this and Buck when you go
you call a pass play and you don't, you don't
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you think you know if it's going to be zone
or man, but then it's not, it's what it's something else.
You know, you think his own that is man. The
receiver has it to make adjustments on that too. You
don't run and cover yourself and you see the receivers
do that all the time, and it blows my mind
just a little bit because you know it's a man
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route you're crossing and all of a sudden, no, it's zone,
but you don't go in the next zone. You stop
in the hole. So you make adjustments that way too.
And I heard you coming over, Hugh that he's new,
he's new, and they need him to start doing those
types of things as well.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
In my opinion, mm hmm, yeah, yeah, he's reading, you know,
man and and and the quarterbacks expect him to idle
down in those holes. Right.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
But you see that all the time, you know, you
see it all the time in games when you're watching
games that receivers run into coverage, run in and make
it easy for the defense. And that's one of the
things we stressed in our offensive stuff is that, Listen,
you got to think out there, you're not just running,
you know, so read it that way, Mike.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
When I was in Dallas, I think Jason Garrett said
one of the most clear and succinct and accurate comments
about a receiver. Jason was talking about Michael Irvin was
on the practice field and Irvin had on a comeback. Mike,
he the ball was a little inside. Troy had thrown
it a little inside, but Mike, Michael Irvin cut off
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the defender, used his body and then still kept as
opposed to try and catch it on his inside shoulder
where the defender could have a swipe at the ball.
Michael instinctively right off Troy's hand, would you know, cut
off the defender and then reached to the outside ey
and and Jason just said, I'm he's the absolute best
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I've never seen a guy that has a quicker awareness
of where his body is, where the ball is and
the defender, and he always keeps himself between the defender
and the ball. And we saw jays N he he
it was just a quick uh Omaha route, you know,
the five yard out rounde, but it's a little late.
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And remember when jays N over on that left sideline,
he like curls back. He's almost turning into a curl
back to the quarterback, losing ground, and and and and
it reminded me of of of Jason's comment about Michael Irvin.
The great ones have an instinctive awareness to keep their
body between the defender and the ball. And he did
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you know it was on display a number of times yesterday.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, I mean, I'm with you on that. And coaches
coach was noding there. I think that the idea of
of how the ball skills part of it. He would
it up earlier when we were talking of like an
outfield or understanding angles and then you anticipate, you take
the angle based on where you think the ball is
going to come down. And if if you're bad at it,
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then you're taking a different route. The difference between that
and what jsn's doing and some of these great receivers
he gets brought up, is there was nobody trying to
guard me, cover me and trying to knock me down
or tackle me when I was running down balls in
a gap. And so it's pretty it's pretty crazy what
the JSN has been able to do, especially just two
(16:32):
years in to the league. I mean, it's when you
talk about learning things, I mean the the I would
think you being quarterback guru, but really just an offensive guy.
When it comes to the idea of a wide receiver
that comes in as a rookie and is automatically a
little bit maybe above where you would typically think of
wide receiver as a rookie is going to be. How
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big of a security blanket is that coach for the
quarterback to just know this guy's he's basically another offensive
coordinator out there, just like I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Yeah, that's that's huge. And I think I've read and
heard that, uh, Sam and and and Jess and their
relationship and the thing and how they react in meetings
is really something special. And that happened early. It doesn't
always happen as a rookie in fact that it's kind
of rare. Actually it takes a little time to kind
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of fit in. Hughes point about Jerry Rice, and that
was a year before I got there. But he dropped it.
He did drop a lot of balls his rookie year,
and then he somehow he realized why and he made
the adjustment. But what this young guy has done in
a very short period of time is really special. My
hope is he stays healthy and keeps going and then
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like the record he broke, there's there's five how many
games we got left? Six six games left. I mean
it's gonna be. Yeah, the new record's going to be
off the charts.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, stay healthy. At this point it might be it
might be time to start some countdown of whether or
not he can pass all of them and be I mean,
it's well, it was Cooper Cup had its, Calvin Johnson
ends up having the record right at almost twenty yards
nineteen hundred and sixty four. At this point, he's on pace.
You gotta stay healthy and keep putting up numbers and
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throwing it getting strikes thrown to him. So well, that
was a good breakdown of JSN what he brings to
the table. I do want to get into some of
the other factors of the game that we watched yesterday.
I mean, the Seahawks end up winning that bad boy
wasn't as pretty as some people would have protected. But
at the same time, I think you have to remember
you're going up against another NFL team. So we'll get
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coaching Hughes insight a little bit more about this game
on the other side of ninety three point three KGRFM.
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Speaker 4 (19:02):
On second at four play action, Darnold to the end zone.
Spit didn't shake, but with.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
His second touchdown of the day thirteen yards at Seattle
storms down the field to grab six out of the
locker room.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Well, thank you Fox for that highlight there. Welcome back
to the Monday Morning Quarterback portion. We do have coach
Holmgren and Hugh Millen here for a couple more segments.
We just broke down JSN and the record breaking season
that he's having up to this point you guys, that
was amazing stuff. Coach we I haven't gotten to just
the overall, just the Seahawks go on the road, go
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beat Tennessee. It's not a good team. They only win
by six. I think you have most people are just happy.
It's a W. It doesn't say oh W minus. It's
not like an A plus or an A. It's just
you win or you lose. And they won. And yet
I'm wondering for you. You go and beat a team you
were up by significantly more than six majority of the game,
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and yet it comes down to there's an on side
possibility there at the end that would have gotten Harry,
had they got that Any worry, any concerns that you
got after watching that game.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
No, not really. I was really they should have won
the game. I felt they were going to win the game.
It started that way, you know, at halftime it was
what sixteen to three, and then it became twenty three
to three, So they were in control of the game
most of the time. And then but then give credit
to Tennessee, they never quit. They had that punt return
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kind of ignited something in them, gave them something more
to play for that made it close.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
At the end.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
But it really wasn't that close, even though the on
side kick and all that, right, because you're playing in
the game first of all, you're away game all those things,
and a wins win. So what they're thinking now, I think,
and they had to play a bunch of young men
didn't know their names really, I mean, I'm learning them.
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But they played a bunch of different people in there
and still came away with a w. So I think
they're going to feel pretty good. But there are corrections
to be made, and so there are lessons to be
learned here. So maybe in the long run this type
of game will help them even moving forward down the future.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Yeah, Mike. In the first quarter, the Seahawks played a
cover one man to man defensively four on four times,
and they got beat on those crossing routes and and
you know, notably on a third and three where Leonard
Williams was the four tech Bucky that's just head up
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over the tackle, and Leonard Williams goes into the b
gap that's on cam Ward's right side. He's a right
handed quarterback. It's very easy for him to just fuel
that he can break the pocket. And then you got
man to man, the shall across might comes from the
opposite direction and next thing you know, you get the
Titans have exactly a twenty five yard gain on that.
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And there was other crossing routes that they had they
had and then McDonald they just you know, the second
quarter there was zero cover and derivatives of cover one
and for the second half they only had three. So
again four in the first quarter, only three for the
remainder of the game in the second half. As you
saw that, what were you thinking, either from an offensive
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perspective or if you're the head coach and your defensive
keeps calling these man and man's, we're getting burned on
the crossing routes. Just take us into your thoughts on
the x's and nose on that.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Well.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
You know, I told you when I had my defensive coordinators,
I didn't mess with them too much during the ball game.
But if I would, I would recognize what you said
in that first quarter and the drives and then so
the one thing I would say is a hey, it's
not the man from man stuff isn't working, you know,
go to something else. I wouldn't tell them we exactly
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what coverages and all that kind of stuff. But you know,
let's get away from that because that's hurting us just
a little bit. And I think they had this, they
had different people playing. He likes to do different things,
Mike McDonald. There's really a lot of activity I think
with their defense, so sometimes just to play zone and
but they react well in my opinion, to the balls
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being thrown and different things. So that's what I would change,
and that's obviously what he would change, and he changed.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Now.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
I don't know if the defensive coordinator just said I
should do this and or Mike said do this. Mike
calls the defenses, so you know, I imagine he had
a big part of that. But I think it had
to do with the different people that were playing during
the game.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah, I mean there was I think defensively, Yeah, there
was multiple guys that were out and some big ones.
Hugh had already kind of mentioned Ernest Jones, which obviously
the quarterback of the defense. That's a big one. You
could get away with it against the Tennessee Titans, and
you did, and so hopefully he'll be back before too long.
I want to touch on, you know, as much as
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we can in this segment. The run game aspect of things.
I mean, Ken Walker ends up with eleven carries for
seventy one yards. I mean that's a six and a
half yard per clip. I'm pretty good. I think a
lot of people be like, there was that one possession.
It was towards the end of the third quarter where
they hand him the ball. He runs for nineteen yards,
then he runs for eleven yards, then he catches one
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for like twenty nine yards, and then they bring Zach
Charbaday in to basically get the touchdown. But that made
it thirty to ten. I think thirty to ten, And
it was kind of one of those like can you
do that more? Was there more of that? Was that
just a good play call? Or was that we're just
going to lean on him right here? Did you like
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the way that they used the use the running game
or was that something you still wish they'd use some
more of. I would like to see them use some
more of that. You said off eleven carries. For most teams,
if you have the number one back or you're starting back,
you're gonna hand him the ball more than eleven times mostly,
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and unless it's not working, then you might bring in
the change of pace or give him a blow or
go to more passes or whatever.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
But he was he was good yesterday. He and they
blocked for him. Part of that I think was Tennessee,
I thought, and I mentioned this earlier, they're contained and
their their angles on the outside by linebackers and secondary people.
I thought was really weak. So do it more, I mean,
run more. And uh, I don't. I can't answer Bucky
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why exactly they're playing him the way they're playing him.
If I have a chance to sit down with Mike,
I would ask him exactly that question, you know, and
just he gets to decide. And Uh, Charbonnay's good player. Uh,
he looked good. He looked good when he got in there.
He piled it in their different style. But I would
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like to see Walker touch the ball more. I think
that dull our offense will be maximized at that point.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
You know, Mike.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I was really.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Pleased to have been or appreciative is the better word.
Appreciative to have been challenged by Bucky on Friday about
pass blocking between Zach Charbonnat and Canine. And my initial
response was, I don't see an appreciable difference between, you know,
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having studied the tape, a lot hadn't grinded on the
details of that. So after the show, you know, in
the afternoon, before I went on with Softie later, I
had some time, and so I looked at all thirty
five of Charbonnet's pass blocking and all eighteen of Kenneth
Walker's and uh, obviously you're gonna tell us that that's
(27:02):
an important thing, uh, to be able, you know, for
running back to pass block. But I I basically put
him in five grades. You know, if you if you
had a satisfactory uh, you know, you did your job
like an NFL player, you know, that was that was nothing.
You got a plus if you did something you did
your job but it was difficult to do, you know,
(27:23):
like a physical step up. Okay, he did a good
job on that linebacker. A double plus would be if
he did something just like above and beyond right, and
then a minus if he didn't do his job in
a double minus. And and in the end when when
I added it up, there were uh, there was three.
(27:43):
It was a three minus four, Uh for Kenneth Walker.
It was a six minus for sharbon Ay. But Sharbonay
had double the play. So they end up exactly the
same rate. You know, you know, I I just don't
know whether or not I can support the idea of
my conclusion. Say I'll say is there is no a
(28:05):
preciable difference. That's what I thought before I went into
the exercise, and that's what I thought coming out of.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
It makes sense. I mean, I'm gonna trust your guys'
eyeballs far more.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Well.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Actually, I didn't even have my opinion. I was just
thinking maybe that's the reason. And sure enough you're good
to bring it up. Yeah, absolutely good to bring it up. Well,
yesterday when they get into their two minute offense after
they had gotten that ball on like turnover on downs
and then they get the ball, it was Zach Shecherboney
in the game during the two minute offense. Again, so
there's something there.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Even though typical Mike, isn't that typical that, you know,
your workhorse guy, Maybe he might not be your two
minute guy. You know, I've seen that a lot. What's
your philosophy on that.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
Well, your two minute guy, you might have a different
group in there as your two minute offense. I was
thinking when your discussion with Buck the I was saying
to Max Strong and Shawn Alexander, Right, Okay, if Sean
Mack was going to be the pass blocker. Sean, I've
(29:09):
told you this before, a great, great runner, very very
average to below on pass blocking, and so you got
to set it up that way. You know, you can't
ask somebody to do something you're pretty sure he can't do,
and so there's substitution. It just bes somebody. I'm gonna
ask that question if I have a chance, and then
I'll be more intelligent when I come to the next
(29:30):
radio stage and next time we're on the radio, to
see why why are they doing it? Why why are
they doing it the.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Way they're doing it? Well, when you ask, then we
just won't see it like that anymore. They'll just be
giving him the ball. I mean, they're they're running back.
Had eleven carriers just like our guy did. He averaged
one point eight yards. There's no average six point five.
So it feels like there could be something that if
this thing's clicking on all synders, you're getting more out
of ken Walker. But we shall see, all right, we
(29:57):
gotta we gotta break here on the other side, we're
gonna have one more or one last thing for coaching.
Hughes stick around here at Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM. Welcome back to Chuck a Buck in the morning.
(30:19):
We got one last segment and it's our one last thing.
I texted Hugh during the break, I told him you're
gonna go first, and then I just decided I'm calling
an audible because coach Holmgren has a one last thing
I do for you.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Oh okay, ro Yeah, No, I have one last thing
for you. And I know, I know you don't have
much time on your hands because you're doing so many things,
but I would be really curious for you to do
a little bit of a deep dive. Yes on JSNS catches. Okay,
so he has X amount of catches? How many of
(30:57):
those catches with he bumped or disrupted at the line
of scrimator someplace? Or did they are teams just letting
him get out there? Because it's boggles my mind now
that don't don't spend a lot of time on it.
But if you, you know, if you could look that
up a little bit and come up with a number
for me, I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
I absolutely will. Should we do it for next week
or do you want it by the end of the week.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I think that Friday next week is good.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
No, well, we don't have anything on Friday. Remember, we'll
do it on Monday.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Yep, okay, I'll be looking for free access. How many
you know? Yeah right.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I'm just curious because the receivers I've had, the good receivers,
and how we played defense against good receivers. One of
the things you got to do is disrupt their timing somehow.
I'd be curious because he looks like he running wherever
he wants to run, leave.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
It or not. I had been I had thought of
doing that exact study before. And now Bucky with coach
Oh yeah, oh yeah, he just sent in the play
from the sideline. I better execute that. I have zeroed out.
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I have zero doubt you're gonna get assignment. This is here,
my defensive coordinator. Now, so let's get it done.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
We're gonna get it done.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Hugh.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Do you have one last thing?
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Yeah? I do, Actually, Mike, I'm curious. Obviously, as fans
and even as analysts, we can say that December eighteenth
against the Rams is likely, you know, if all things
go as expected or as we hope that that's for
the NFC West, and and then you would be looking
at eight and three, unless you know, barring something calamitous,
(32:38):
the Seahawks are going to be in the playoffs. How
much do you at this juncture, if you're the head
coach of the Seahawks, how much are you saying, hey,
we got I'm not going to say the Vikings are easy.
That that's not I'm not going to disrespect the game.
I'm not going to say the Falcons are easy. That's
disrespecting the game, and obviously the Colts after that. But
how much do you say, hey, it in a couple
(33:00):
of weeks when the when the you know, the Sharks
are in the water, that meaning that we're playing some
really good teams and then on into the playoffs. How
I envision us being in January? How much of that
would impact how you are viewing the team today in
this week in terms of Okay, I want to get better,
whether it's Rasiza heat or I mentioned Eliza roy or,
(33:24):
or how we're going to run the game? Is it is?
It is simply just we're playing the Vikings and that's
all that matters. That's it, that's all. Or do you
allow yourself to think, yes, obviously we're coaching to beat
the Vikings. But let's think a little big picture down
the road. How do you approach that?
Speaker 5 (33:41):
I think I always approach it. Uh, we take that
and you know, or use cliche. One game at a time.
You're put my pointing toward the Vikings and that's what
I'm pointing for, and we got to win that game.
Then we get ready for the next one. During that process, however,
you know, in the back of your mind, you're you're
looking at other ten other little things that you want
(34:02):
to improve upon, but you never establish that. You don't
say that to the team. The team focus on this week.
This is the week you have to do it. And
but you know, it's funny. My first year in Seattle,
you guys might remember this. We were eight and two
and then we got Joey Galloway back, thinking that would
(34:24):
really make the difference, and it screwed up everything. And
I think we lost five in a row and we
got into the playoffs, but we went through a stretch
there that was just painful, and so that you got
to avoid that take one game at a time.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Yeah, Well, I mean, coach, I don't know if we're
gonna get to talk to you before Thanksgiving or I
think we're taking Thursday and Friday off. So I'm thankful
for you. I'm thankful that you're here, thankful for everything
you give us. Same to you. Thank you go. And
yet I'm going to get to talk to you again.
I think on Wednesday we're gonna I'm gonna dive into
some stuff with you since gone, so we're gonna do
(35:01):
a little round table, I think. But before we go,
one thing, I'm planning on eating so much turkey Thursday, Friday,
Saturday and Sunday that I made gobble when I come
in here for our next Monday morning quarterback. Is there
anything in particular that your mouth is watering for right now? Coach?
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Well, I think I've said it before on this show.
It says once a year when I've criticized Chuck for
putting out Christmas things before Thanksgiving. Okay, that's another story. Yeah,
but no, I love Thanksgiving. We don't have a lot
of turkey during the year, and we do have some now.
It's funny. My kids aren't that hot for turkey, but
(35:41):
I am. So we're having it good. But I stuffing,
oh good stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, some vegetables, in there
to be healthy. But this year I'm not going to
have the candied yams.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Hugh, oh love.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
With the coconut the top and the.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Or that is that Christmas? Did I jump here ahead
to Christmas?
Speaker 4 (36:05):
All the above?
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Please? Yes, you don't let candy yams, no matter what.
Saint Patrick's Day, yes, May Day, yes, President's Day.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Flag Day, candy yams.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Indeed, you haven't presented a good reason to not have it,
so I'm waiting.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
It's no, it's kind of like officials. I just have
a feeling I don't like it. You know, I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
We can agree on that.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I don't want coconuts sprinkled on any desserts. It's not good.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
All right, have a nice thanks? Well, yeah, thanks you good?
I echo Bucky so good stuff. And hopefully on Monday
I will have for sure a breakdown at JSN breakdown
and will also be breaking down a win.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Thanks. But happy Thanksgiving you guys, you too, Ashley Thanky, Thanksgiving?
Speaker 4 (36:52):
All right, Happy Thanksgiving all your listeners too, But you're
gonna still have to listen to us tomorrow and Wednesday.
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Speaker 2 (00:53):
Touchdown sixty three yard yesterday was an improv route. It
wasn't called that way when they saw they had a
safety manned up on him when he went in motion.
So that's when Smith and Jigott changed its route and.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Then that play was made because the offensive line gave
Darnold time. Often he doesn't get that much time to
come out Smith and Jiggy to run a forty yard
route from left to wreck, and that's what he did,
and he was able to cross the.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Field and become open.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
And when you have.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
That much time, you're often going to get Smith and
Jiggbit open. But that play in particular, sixty three yard touchdown.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Guys, he looked at me like Jerry Rice.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
His body control, his speed is changing his speed on
the defensive back.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
That was Greg Bell we had on earlier. We actually
had him on I think at midnight or something. We
had to have we recorded him before the show because
he was getting on a plane. He might have actually
been having a lady buckle his own seat belt for
him right there. But by the way, one thing before
I get into this, actually I did not realize these guys,
I mean, the knowledge and wisdom we get from coach
(01:57):
Holmgren and Hugh there's we must be in a pretty
penny for that, because I mean, these guys, there's like
eighty seven sponsors for these There's a lot, yeah, I
mean a lot of people. A lot of people want
to be attached to you guys. Well, there's one attach
to me. I think eighty six attached to Hugh. Yeah.
Well you got Toyota of Kirkland here, You've probably got
(02:18):
multiple cars from them, are on our Foundation special slapjacket.
You got all kinds of You got all kinds of stuff, Coach,
and understandably so I would like to sponsor you if
I could. I have five dollars. Would that give me anything? No,
just bring me the dip at Christmas. Okay, okay, done,
done and done. Welcome back to Sports Radio ninety three
point three k yards the Chuck and Buck Show minus Chuck,
(02:39):
just Buck and Ashley. But the last hour we had Hugh.
We got all of his insight, or some of his insight.
There's more in that big brain on. It always is more.
There's always there's always more, Coach, but there's always more
in you. Where I called George wisdom. Right now we
get the wisdom of the show. We had just played
a highlight. We'll get to the general thoughts. I want
to get into this JSN thing first. So we just
(03:02):
played a little bit of the snippet of of Greg
Bell coming on earlier, and he even threw out the
Jerry Rice name and in some of the things that
he's seeing out of him. I talked to Hugh about
it last hour, and yet he hasn't got to get
into his comps yet. When somebody says what they're seeing
JSN do reminds them of Jerry Rice? Is there any
(03:24):
part of you that's seeing that or is it somebody
else that you're seeing? Well, you know, when I watch
him play, this is JSN. You know, I'm He's he's great.
I mean, he is really something, He's special. I'm always
I've always been reluctant to compare players, however, you know,
because I've been asked many times. You know, you got
you had Montanna, you had young, you had five, you
(03:45):
had asked the back who was the best one? Well,
I'm I'm you know, they're all great, and they're all
great in their own way.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Jerry Rice, though, is acknowledged to be the finest receiver
that's played the game. His numbers proved that he was bigger.
He's bigger, bigger man than js EN. But so I'd
be reluctant to compare him. Yet jess En' is just starting.
He's just starting in his career right. But having said that,
(04:15):
I watch him. He is really something. He makes it
look easy. He's got great hands, he knows how to
get open. He understands defenses. That seems to me very clearly.
So he's great. I just just put the brakes on
just a little bit. Comparing him to Jerry Rice, Yeah,
(04:35):
I understand, Hugh. Where would you didn't get to really
say who your comp would be.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Well, the reason I look as far as as the
hands and the finishing ability. Jerry Rice came in the
league and he he dropped a lot of balls his
rookie year. There were people were down on him and
and he just willed himself into having great hands and
he was dynamic run after the catch. The reason I
wouldn't camp Jerry Rice Mike is Jerry Rice was six
(05:02):
foot two, very high cut guy, long legged at six
foot two, and you know they say he didn't have
elite speed. Nobody ever caught him, But I just thought
that he had an ability. Rice's great impression on me.
I was in the NFC West Rams and Falcons played
him twice a day. Mike coached him. So Mike has
(05:24):
a far better and intricate knowledge, but I would see Rice.
He could get full speed going really quick. He could
stop really quick for a large man, and he could
accelerate back going really quick. So I think there was
a stop and acceleration elite part of his game. But
the body control, you know. Again, Rice was a taller
(05:45):
guy and long legged. Deboot you've got in JSN six
foot and a half and short legged. So his speed
cuts and radius turns, they look different to my eye
than Jerry. To me, I would say like a Reggie
Wayne would be a comp. Possibly a Tim Brown, you know,
(06:06):
right around that height. Andre Risen I played with Andrey Risen.
Mike coached him in a Super Bowl. I think Risen
would be a comp for me. You know, maybe Andre
Reid for the Bills for those who can remember him.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
How about Steve? How about Steve Smith?
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Steve Smith, I would Mike, I would almost push him
into a shorter cat. You know, he was little stronger
and stockier, so so I would put put him in
the five nine five ten stocky category, whereas Rice, I think,
you know, Tim Brown, you know, Isaac Bruce and and
Tory Holt were around that height, but I think they
were skinnier. Uh. They were beautiful route runners, but I
(06:45):
think in a I think Isaac Bruce would be a
smaller Jerry Rice and in stylistically, but I would I
would go with maybe a Reggie Wayne. I mean, Reggie
Wayne's at that height has the fourth most amount of
receiving yards in the history of the NFL. That's a
compliment to say him. But you know, and for guys,
(07:05):
I played with Andre rise and had great body controlled
due to his stature, you know, strong legs, relatively short legs,
but that allowed him to do those those quick radius
speed turns, Mike.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
So if he's just if he just wear a shirt
on the airplane, Andre Rison, then we could really compare
him to a lot of people, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
The story there. Then take us down that ye, take
us down the aisle on that airport.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
No, we signed Andre Risen and he helped us win
the Super Bowl, and I really liked him. You know,
he's a little bit of a wucky guy, you know.
But first game he's traveling with us. We're traveling and
I had always told the flight attendants if there's a
problem of any kind, and we didn't have a bunch
of problems, but if there's a problem of any kind,
(07:53):
come to me, don't go to don't go to anyone else.
Come to me and I'll handle it. She comes up
to me and goes, mister Homegren, I have I what
to spit it out? What's wrong? Well, there's a young
man in the back. He's doesn't have any shirt clothes,
he doesn't have his shirt on or anything, you know,
and they're eating dinner. So I go back there and
(08:15):
Ryse is there. He's eating no shirt. I go, how
are you doing? Andre? Oh, good coach, he's a good food.
I said, listen, let me ask you a question. Look
around the room and tell me what's different. And he goes, oh,
you mean my shirt? I said, yes, yeah, you nailed
(08:36):
your shirt. I said.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
He goes, what.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
I listen, I always want everyone to wear all their
clothes when they're eating dinner. Okay, so put on your shirt,
and in the future, wear your clothes when you're eating dinner. Okay, okay, okay,
sure he puts it on here. Just that's it, no reason. Okay, well,
oh yeah, but getting back to the important stuff. No,
he was. He was really good. But you know what,
(09:00):
he had trouble remembering plays? Oh he did, so, I
told Farv every time you call a play, now, he
was new to us. Before you break the huddle, look
at him and say do this. Just tell him he
couldn't hear the play, and say what to do? You know,
I get it, Yeah, I get it. I stopped playing
in high school and Ray Brown was my coach. I
(09:21):
don't remember him.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
He was a in the NFL with the Browns, and
he would get so frustrated because there they'd call plays
sometimes and I'm like, I just beg what well, and
He's like, go get the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
No, okay, Rising. I coached a number of Pro Bowls
and you'd have you know, Herman Moore, you'd have Michael Irvin,
the guys of Hugs and then Rizon and Jerry Rice,
all these great receivers. So I called plays from the sideline,
you know, and I get Rising. I go, okay, run
(09:54):
twenty two z in, which is a simple play ran
all the time. And okay, he'd run in there, which
was twenty yards to the huddle, and Rydald McDaniel look
over me, he goes Rising in that time forgot, I
forgot what to call, and I go okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
So he wasn't. He wasn't the one with a green
dot now before green dots were a thing.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Then we're doing a disservice to JAYSN because JSN has
a football IQ apparently, Mike just watching the tape. Oh no,
it's like next level stuff. He is what do you
see with him?
Speaker 5 (10:31):
He is unbelievable and he does it. He does it
all and he catches the ball so well in his
body mechanics, and he's not a big, big guy, but
he boy, he is hard to cover and he's always open.
I'm going, how what are teams when they're preparing for
the Seahawks? You start defensively, you start, what are we
(10:54):
going to do about that young man? What are we
going to do? And no one's done it? No one,
in my opinion, is done. Now I'm looking at I'm
looking at their defensive backs. I thought were really bad,
really bad in that game, you know, from spacing and
angles and all sorts of stuff from contain on the run.
(11:16):
I just thought they had a very poor game offense
and defensively.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Mike, you know, just picking up on his instincts. There.
There was a play the sex are down in the
red zone at the Tennessee thirteen yard line and on
a little on a five and in. I don't know
if you called it a China or finn whatever your
terminology was, but but I'm watching this and Jaysn gets
(11:41):
his right foot is outside foot to a seven the
seven and a half yard line. But then as the
play is getting slow, he's going into the teeth of
his own defense. I believe on that one it was
a two deep five hunder, So he's going into the
the curl defender on the opposite side, Mike pass the
hook defender, and he's going in there. Darnold is kind
(12:02):
of moving around the pocket. JSN loses ground and he goes.
He goes from the seven and a half yard line
of Tennessee. He loses ground back to the eleven yard line.
The NFL categorized it as two air yards. Now he
was able to avoid that guy and get the sideline.
(12:23):
That was only he only got one yard out of
the play, so it's it's not gonna make anybody's highlight tape.
But Mike, I was sitting there thinking if I had
to wait for the next time I saw a receiver
do that lose that much ground instinctively to help the
quarterback and get in front of that zone. Defender. I
don't know how long i'd look. I mean, he just
(12:44):
does stuff that is just so next level with his IQ.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yeah, no, he is. He's a special player. And listen,
that's what that's what they need. Contrary to that, I
think the new the new young man that they got
what's his name the receiver? Yeah, uh, you know we
always in you knows this and Buck when you go
you call a pass play and you don't, you don't
(13:10):
you think you know if it's going to be zone
or man, but then it's not, it's what it's something else.
You know, you think his own that is man. The
receiver has it to make adjustments on that too. You
don't run and cover yourself and you see the receivers
do that all the time, and it blows my mind
just a little bit because you know it's a man
(13:30):
route you're crossing and all of a sudden, no, it's zone,
but you don't go in the next zone. You stop
in the hole. So you make adjustments that way too.
And I heard you coming over, Hugh that he's new,
he's new, and they need him to start doing those
types of things as well.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
In my opinion, mm hmm, yeah, yeah, he's reading, you know,
man and and and the quarterbacks expect him to idle
down in those holes. Right.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
But you see that all the time, you know, you
see it all the time in games when you're watching
games that receivers run into coverage, run in and make
it easy for the defense. And that's one of the
things we stressed in our offensive stuff is that, Listen,
you got to think out there, you're not just running,
you know, so read it that way, Mike.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
When I was in Dallas, I think Jason Garrett said
one of the most clear and succinct and accurate comments
about a receiver. Jason was talking about Michael Irvin was
on the practice field and Irvin had on a comeback. Mike,
he the ball was a little inside. Troy had thrown
it a little inside, but Mike, Michael Irvin cut off
(14:42):
the defender, used his body and then still kept as
opposed to try and catch it on his inside shoulder
where the defender could have a swipe at the ball.
Michael instinctively right off Troy's hand, would you know, cut
off the defender and then reached to the outside ey
and and Jason just said, I'm he's the absolute best
(15:05):
I've never seen a guy that has a quicker awareness
of where his body is, where the ball is and
the defender, and he always keeps himself between the defender
and the ball. And we saw jays N he he
it was just a quick uh Omaha route, you know,
the five yard out rounde, but it's a little late.
(15:26):
And remember when jays N over on that left sideline,
he like curls back. He's almost turning into a curl
back to the quarterback, losing ground, and and and and
it reminded me of of of Jason's comment about Michael Irvin.
The great ones have an instinctive awareness to keep their
body between the defender and the ball. And he did
(15:48):
you know it was on display a number of times yesterday.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, I mean, I'm with you on that. And coaches
coach was noding there. I think that the idea of
of how the ball skills part of it. He would
it up earlier when we were talking of like an
outfield or understanding angles and then you anticipate, you take
the angle based on where you think the ball is
going to come down. And if if you're bad at it,
(16:12):
then you're taking a different route. The difference between that
and what jsn's doing and some of these great receivers
he gets brought up, is there was nobody trying to
guard me, cover me and trying to knock me down
or tackle me when I was running down balls in
a gap. And so it's pretty it's pretty crazy what
the JSN has been able to do, especially just two
(16:32):
years in to the league. I mean, it's when you
talk about learning things, I mean the the I would
think you being quarterback guru, but really just an offensive guy.
When it comes to the idea of a wide receiver
that comes in as a rookie and is automatically a
little bit maybe above where you would typically think of
wide receiver as a rookie is going to be. How
(16:54):
big of a security blanket is that coach for the
quarterback to just know this guy's he's basically another offensive
coordinator out there, just like I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Yeah, that's that's huge. And I think I've read and
heard that, uh, Sam and and and Jess and their
relationship and the thing and how they react in meetings
is really something special. And that happened early. It doesn't
always happen as a rookie in fact that it's kind
of rare. Actually it takes a little time to kind
(17:23):
of fit in. Hughes point about Jerry Rice, and that
was a year before I got there. But he dropped it.
He did drop a lot of balls his rookie year,
and then he somehow he realized why and he made
the adjustment. But what this young guy has done in
a very short period of time is really special. My
hope is he stays healthy and keeps going and then
(17:47):
like the record he broke, there's there's five how many
games we got left? Six six games left. I mean
it's gonna be. Yeah, the new record's going to be
off the charts.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, stay healthy. At this point it might be it
might be time to start some countdown of whether or
not he can pass all of them and be I mean,
it's well, it was Cooper Cup had its, Calvin Johnson
ends up having the record right at almost twenty yards
nineteen hundred and sixty four. At this point, he's on pace.
You gotta stay healthy and keep putting up numbers and
(18:19):
throwing it getting strikes thrown to him. So well, that
was a good breakdown of JSN what he brings to
the table. I do want to get into some of
the other factors of the game that we watched yesterday.
I mean, the Seahawks end up winning that bad boy
wasn't as pretty as some people would have protected. But
at the same time, I think you have to remember
you're going up against another NFL team. So we'll get
(18:40):
coaching Hughes insight a little bit more about this game
on the other side of ninety three point three KGRFM.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
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Speaker 4 (19:02):
On second at four play action, Darnold to the end zone.
Spit didn't shake, but with.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
His second touchdown of the day thirteen yards at Seattle
storms down the field to grab six out of the
locker room.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Well, thank you Fox for that highlight there. Welcome back
to the Monday Morning Quarterback portion. We do have coach
Holmgren and Hugh Millen here for a couple more segments.
We just broke down JSN and the record breaking season
that he's having up to this point you guys, that
was amazing stuff. Coach we I haven't gotten to just
the overall, just the Seahawks go on the road, go
(19:41):
beat Tennessee. It's not a good team. They only win
by six. I think you have most people are just happy.
It's a W. It doesn't say oh W minus. It's
not like an A plus or an A. It's just
you win or you lose. And they won. And yet
I'm wondering for you. You go and beat a team you
were up by significantly more than six majority of the game,
(20:02):
and yet it comes down to there's an on side
possibility there at the end that would have gotten Harry,
had they got that Any worry, any concerns that you
got after watching that game.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
No, not really. I was really they should have won
the game. I felt they were going to win the game.
It started that way, you know, at halftime it was
what sixteen to three, and then it became twenty three
to three, So they were in control of the game
most of the time. And then but then give credit
to Tennessee, they never quit. They had that punt return
(20:36):
kind of ignited something in them, gave them something more
to play for that made it close.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
At the end.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
But it really wasn't that close, even though the on
side kick and all that, right, because you're playing in
the game first of all, you're away game all those things,
and a wins win. So what they're thinking now, I think,
and they had to play a bunch of young men
didn't know their names really, I mean, I'm learning them.
(21:02):
But they played a bunch of different people in there
and still came away with a w. So I think
they're going to feel pretty good. But there are corrections
to be made, and so there are lessons to be
learned here. So maybe in the long run this type
of game will help them even moving forward down the future.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Yeah, Mike. In the first quarter, the Seahawks played a
cover one man to man defensively four on four times,
and they got beat on those crossing routes and and
you know, notably on a third and three where Leonard
Williams was the four tech Bucky that's just head up
(21:43):
over the tackle, and Leonard Williams goes into the b
gap that's on cam Ward's right side. He's a right
handed quarterback. It's very easy for him to just fuel
that he can break the pocket. And then you got
man to man, the shall across might comes from the
opposite direction and next thing you know, you get the
Titans have exactly a twenty five yard gain on that.
(22:07):
And there was other crossing routes that they had they
had and then McDonald they just you know, the second
quarter there was zero cover and derivatives of cover one
and for the second half they only had three. So
again four in the first quarter, only three for the
remainder of the game in the second half. As you
saw that, what were you thinking, either from an offensive
(22:30):
perspective or if you're the head coach and your defensive
keeps calling these man and man's, we're getting burned on
the crossing routes. Just take us into your thoughts on
the x's and nose on that.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Well.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
You know, I told you when I had my defensive coordinators,
I didn't mess with them too much during the ball game.
But if I would, I would recognize what you said
in that first quarter and the drives and then so
the one thing I would say is a hey, it's
not the man from man stuff isn't working, you know,
go to something else. I wouldn't tell them we exactly
(23:00):
what coverages and all that kind of stuff. But you know,
let's get away from that because that's hurting us just
a little bit. And I think they had this, they
had different people playing. He likes to do different things,
Mike McDonald. There's really a lot of activity I think
with their defense, so sometimes just to play zone and
but they react well in my opinion, to the balls
(23:23):
being thrown and different things. So that's what I would change,
and that's obviously what he would change, and he changed.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Now.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
I don't know if the defensive coordinator just said I
should do this and or Mike said do this. Mike
calls the defenses, so you know, I imagine he had
a big part of that. But I think it had
to do with the different people that were playing during
the game.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah, I mean there was I think defensively, Yeah, there
was multiple guys that were out and some big ones.
Hugh had already kind of mentioned Ernest Jones, which obviously
the quarterback of the defense. That's a big one. You
could get away with it against the Tennessee Titans, and
you did, and so hopefully he'll be back before too long.
I want to touch on, you know, as much as
(24:09):
we can in this segment. The run game aspect of things.
I mean, Ken Walker ends up with eleven carries for
seventy one yards. I mean that's a six and a
half yard per clip. I'm pretty good. I think a
lot of people be like, there was that one possession.
It was towards the end of the third quarter where
they hand him the ball. He runs for nineteen yards,
then he runs for eleven yards, then he catches one
(24:30):
for like twenty nine yards, and then they bring Zach
Charbaday in to basically get the touchdown. But that made
it thirty to ten. I think thirty to ten, And
it was kind of one of those like can you
do that more? Was there more of that? Was that
just a good play call? Or was that we're just
going to lean on him right here? Did you like
(24:51):
the way that they used the use the running game
or was that something you still wish they'd use some
more of. I would like to see them use some
more of that. You said off eleven carries. For most teams,
if you have the number one back or you're starting back,
you're gonna hand him the ball more than eleven times mostly,
(25:12):
and unless it's not working, then you might bring in
the change of pace or give him a blow or
go to more passes or whatever.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
But he was he was good yesterday. He and they
blocked for him. Part of that I think was Tennessee,
I thought, and I mentioned this earlier, they're contained and
their their angles on the outside by linebackers and secondary people.
I thought was really weak. So do it more, I mean,
run more. And uh, I don't. I can't answer Bucky
(25:45):
why exactly they're playing him the way they're playing him.
If I have a chance to sit down with Mike,
I would ask him exactly that question, you know, and
just he gets to decide. And Uh, Charbonnay's good player. Uh,
he looked good. He looked good when he got in there.
He piled it in their different style. But I would
(26:05):
like to see Walker touch the ball more. I think
that dull our offense will be maximized at that point.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
You know, Mike.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I was really.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Pleased to have been or appreciative is the better word.
Appreciative to have been challenged by Bucky on Friday about
pass blocking between Zach Charbonnat and Canine. And my initial
response was, I don't see an appreciable difference between, you know,
(26:39):
having studied the tape, a lot hadn't grinded on the
details of that. So after the show, you know, in
the afternoon, before I went on with Softie later, I
had some time, and so I looked at all thirty
five of Charbonnet's pass blocking and all eighteen of Kenneth
Walker's and uh, obviously you're gonna tell us that that's
(27:02):
an important thing, uh, to be able, you know, for
running back to pass block. But I I basically put
him in five grades. You know, if you if you
had a satisfactory uh, you know, you did your job
like an NFL player, you know, that was that was nothing.
You got a plus if you did something you did
your job but it was difficult to do, you know,
(27:23):
like a physical step up. Okay, he did a good
job on that linebacker. A double plus would be if
he did something just like above and beyond right, and
then a minus if he didn't do his job in
a double minus. And and in the end when when
I added it up, there were uh, there was three.
(27:43):
It was a three minus four, Uh for Kenneth Walker.
It was a six minus for sharbon Ay. But Sharbonay
had double the play. So they end up exactly the
same rate. You know, you know, I I just don't
know whether or not I can support the idea of
my conclusion. Say I'll say is there is no a
(28:05):
preciable difference. That's what I thought before I went into
the exercise, and that's what I thought coming out of.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
It makes sense. I mean, I'm gonna trust your guys'
eyeballs far more.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Well.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Actually, I didn't even have my opinion. I was just
thinking maybe that's the reason. And sure enough you're good
to bring it up. Yeah, absolutely good to bring it up. Well,
yesterday when they get into their two minute offense after
they had gotten that ball on like turnover on downs
and then they get the ball, it was Zach Shecherboney
in the game during the two minute offense. Again, so
there's something there.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Even though typical Mike, isn't that typical that, you know,
your workhorse guy, Maybe he might not be your two
minute guy. You know, I've seen that a lot. What's
your philosophy on that.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
Well, your two minute guy, you might have a different
group in there as your two minute offense. I was
thinking when your discussion with Buck the I was saying
to Max Strong and Shawn Alexander, Right, Okay, if Sean
Mack was going to be the pass blocker. Sean, I've
(29:09):
told you this before, a great, great runner, very very
average to below on pass blocking, and so you got
to set it up that way. You know, you can't
ask somebody to do something you're pretty sure he can't do,
and so there's substitution. It just bes somebody. I'm gonna
ask that question if I have a chance, and then
I'll be more intelligent when I come to the next
(29:30):
radio stage and next time we're on the radio, to
see why why are they doing it? Why why are
they doing it the.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Way they're doing it? Well, when you ask, then we
just won't see it like that anymore. They'll just be
giving him the ball. I mean, they're they're running back.
Had eleven carriers just like our guy did. He averaged
one point eight yards. There's no average six point five.
So it feels like there could be something that if
this thing's clicking on all synders, you're getting more out
of ken Walker. But we shall see, all right, we
(29:57):
gotta we gotta break here on the other side, we're
gonna have one more or one last thing for coaching.
Hughes stick around here at Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM. Welcome back to Chuck a Buck in the morning.
(30:19):
We got one last segment and it's our one last thing.
I texted Hugh during the break, I told him you're
gonna go first, and then I just decided I'm calling
an audible because coach Holmgren has a one last thing
I do for you.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Oh okay, ro Yeah, No, I have one last thing
for you. And I know, I know you don't have
much time on your hands because you're doing so many things,
but I would be really curious for you to do
a little bit of a deep dive. Yes on JSNS catches. Okay,
so he has X amount of catches? How many of
(30:57):
those catches with he bumped or disrupted at the line
of scrimator someplace? Or did they are teams just letting
him get out there? Because it's boggles my mind now
that don't don't spend a lot of time on it.
But if you, you know, if you could look that
up a little bit and come up with a number
for me, I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
I absolutely will. Should we do it for next week
or do you want it by the end of the week.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I think that Friday next week is good.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
No, well, we don't have anything on Friday. Remember, we'll
do it on Monday.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Yep, okay, I'll be looking for free access. How many
you know? Yeah right.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I'm just curious because the receivers I've had, the good receivers,
and how we played defense against good receivers. One of
the things you got to do is disrupt their timing somehow.
I'd be curious because he looks like he running wherever
he wants to run, leave.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
It or not. I had been I had thought of
doing that exact study before. And now Bucky with coach
Oh yeah, oh yeah, he just sent in the play
from the sideline. I better execute that. I have zeroed out.
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I have zero doubt you're gonna get assignment. This is here,
my defensive coordinator. Now, so let's get it done.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
We're gonna get it done.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Hugh.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Do you have one last thing?
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Yeah? I do, Actually, Mike, I'm curious. Obviously, as fans
and even as analysts, we can say that December eighteenth
against the Rams is likely, you know, if all things
go as expected or as we hope that that's for
the NFC West, and and then you would be looking
at eight and three, unless you know, barring something calamitous,
(32:38):
the Seahawks are going to be in the playoffs. How
much do you at this juncture, if you're the head
coach of the Seahawks, how much are you saying, hey,
we got I'm not going to say the Vikings are easy.
That that's not I'm not going to disrespect the game.
I'm not going to say the Falcons are easy. That's
disrespecting the game, and obviously the Colts after that. But
how much do you say, hey, it in a couple
(33:00):
of weeks when the when the you know, the Sharks
are in the water, that meaning that we're playing some
really good teams and then on into the playoffs. How
I envision us being in January? How much of that
would impact how you are viewing the team today in
this week in terms of Okay, I want to get better,
whether it's Rasiza heat or I mentioned Eliza roy or,
(33:24):
or how we're going to run the game? Is it is?
It is simply just we're playing the Vikings and that's
all that matters. That's it, that's all. Or do you
allow yourself to think, yes, obviously we're coaching to beat
the Vikings. But let's think a little big picture down
the road. How do you approach that?
Speaker 5 (33:41):
I think I always approach it. Uh, we take that
and you know, or use cliche. One game at a time.
You're put my pointing toward the Vikings and that's what
I'm pointing for, and we got to win that game.
Then we get ready for the next one. During that process, however,
you know, in the back of your mind, you're you're
looking at other ten other little things that you want
(34:02):
to improve upon, but you never establish that. You don't
say that to the team. The team focus on this week.
This is the week you have to do it. And
but you know, it's funny. My first year in Seattle,
you guys might remember this. We were eight and two
and then we got Joey Galloway back, thinking that would
(34:24):
really make the difference, and it screwed up everything. And
I think we lost five in a row and we
got into the playoffs, but we went through a stretch
there that was just painful, and so that you got
to avoid that take one game at a time.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Yeah, Well, I mean, coach, I don't know if we're
gonna get to talk to you before Thanksgiving or I
think we're taking Thursday and Friday off. So I'm thankful
for you. I'm thankful that you're here, thankful for everything
you give us. Same to you. Thank you go. And
yet I'm going to get to talk to you again.
I think on Wednesday we're gonna I'm gonna dive into
some stuff with you since gone, so we're gonna do
(35:01):
a little round table, I think. But before we go,
one thing, I'm planning on eating so much turkey Thursday, Friday,
Saturday and Sunday that I made gobble when I come
in here for our next Monday morning quarterback. Is there
anything in particular that your mouth is watering for right now? Coach?
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Well, I think I've said it before on this show.
It says once a year when I've criticized Chuck for
putting out Christmas things before Thanksgiving. Okay, that's another story. Yeah,
but no, I love Thanksgiving. We don't have a lot
of turkey during the year, and we do have some now.
It's funny. My kids aren't that hot for turkey, but
(35:41):
I am. So we're having it good. But I stuffing,
oh good stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, some vegetables, in there
to be healthy. But this year I'm not going to
have the candied yams.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Hugh, oh love.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
With the coconut the top and the.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Or that is that Christmas? Did I jump here ahead
to Christmas?
Speaker 4 (36:05):
All the above?
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Please? Yes, you don't let candy yams, no matter what.
Saint Patrick's Day, yes, May Day, yes, President's Day.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Flag Day, candy yams.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Indeed, you haven't presented a good reason to not have it,
so I'm waiting.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
It's no, it's kind of like officials. I just have
a feeling I don't like it. You know, I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
We can agree on that.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I don't want coconuts sprinkled on any desserts. It's not good.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
All right, have a nice thanks? Well, yeah, thanks you good?
I echo Bucky so good stuff. And hopefully on Monday
I will have for sure a breakdown at JSN breakdown
and will also be breaking down a win.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Thanks. But happy Thanksgiving you guys, you too, Ashley Thanky, Thanksgiving?
Speaker 4 (36:52):
All right, Happy Thanksgiving all your listeners too, But you're
gonna still have to listen to us tomorrow and Wednesday.
But thanks Coach, Thanks, Hugh, appreciate you guys coming on
and doing what you do for Moneymoon Quarterback, everybody else
stick around. We got MJ and Christopher Kidd coming up
after this at Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
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