November 3, 2025 • 39 mins
MMQB continues with MIKE HOLMGREN and HUGH MILLEN How impressed was Coach by Sam Darnold’s play last night? Was it a performance for the ages? Kubiak’s game plan seemed to be on point, what did Coach think of the play caller? Should more credit be given to the Seahawks offense or the lack of a Commanders’ defense? How would Coach have handled the blowout loss and would he have take Daniels out in the 4th quarter? :30- We continue with Coach and Hugh and we have to talk about Nick Emmanwori! How big of a blow is it if Ernest Jones misses time? :45- We close out the Monday show with one last thing for Coach!
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Speaker 3 (00:50):
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Speaker 4 (00:53):
Thanks well, we've established yep, that's right, our cups running
over at nine o'clock hour here on this Monday morning. Yes,
it's time for more Monday morning quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
You.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Millon's been with us since eight o'clock. He'll continue with us.
To break it down a thirty eight to fourteen win
over the Washington Commanders last night on Sunday Night Football.
Joining the conversation now, former Seahawks head coach former Green
Bay Packers World Championship head coach Mike Holmgren is with
us right here on Chuck and Buck Goome morning, coach, Hey.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Good morning guys, Good morning. Did you just did you
get through Halloween? Okay?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, Bucky was just talking about how he really did
watch his figure this.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Entire No, Jack opposite, Yeah, I have crushed Halloween candy.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
He watched his figure get a lot bigger.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Man, Yeah, it just depends on how you watch it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Yeah, it's not turning in the right direction. I'll tell
you that. Coach just goes, oh boy.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Oh yeah, all right, coach, Well.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Look, I mean you've been around some great quarterback play
in your life. Does it get any better than what
we saw from Sam Donald last night?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
No? I mean he was spot on and the team was. No.
It was really something to behold. I think it sets
the tone really for the rest of the season because
he was he did a lot of things there. You know,
he he would go to his third read, he'd go
to throw it on time, throw it quick, very accurately,
(02:24):
and no, it was a performance really for the ages,
I think.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So, uh well, let's let's let's use that term for
the ages. Where does it rank for you? I mean,
I got a lot of friends texting me. Is that
the the best half of quarterbacking in Seaawk history? Is
that the best half they've ever seen? I mean, do
you kind of start reflecting on on history in that regard?
(02:51):
Did it strike you as that type of performance or
was it just kind of well, you had had some
great numbers, but and maybe a few great plays, but
but maybe not to the level of a historical sense.
Where are you on what you saw last night?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well? I think it ranks that right up there, you
because you know, and you know this better than anybody.
He completed like seven sixteen seventeen passes in a role.
I mean, even if you're having a good day and
a good night, that usually doesn't happen that way. You know.
The only comparison I would make an actual uh function
(03:27):
was Montana and the Super Bowl we played Denver. Yeah,
and you know he was and he still we still
miss some throws. I mean, you know, so now I
will say this. I was really disappointed in Washington's defense
in a lot of ways in the secondary. For one,
for sure, they're tackling their effort. I just didn't think
(03:48):
they were very good and they but give the Seax credit.
They took advantage of it. But Mike Sam maybe not
for the ages, maybe not for the ages you, but
he was he was really good last night. Yeah, Mike.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I thought of quarterbacking and I tried, like Hill to
play it well and and it very very seldom happened.
It was usually the other way around. But I've given
a lot of thought and uh, like in college, you
know one hundred level classes or introduction like psych one
on one. Okay, you're gonna get it introduced. They're gonna
tell you a sigma Freud and and then that now
if you happen to major and what havevio or even
(04:25):
a grad school school, now you get into two hundred,
three hundred and four hundred. I think that quarterbacking the
five hundred level classes are anticipation and eye manipulation of defenders.
And I thought that there was so much of that
on display by Darnold last night. Uh, I mean he
(04:45):
was moving Bobby Wagner like he had him on a string,
and the other particularly the underneath Mike undefenders, those inside
underneath defenders, and he just he knew like, hey, I
put my eyes here, I put my eyes there, and
then I throw here and then always with anticipation. I
thought he was five hundred level quarterbacking in that regard.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
No, that's a good point you and I would agree
with you. And I think you know, you look at
his history first of all, and you know he had
some rough spots with the Jets and so on and
so forth, and then he hit it with Minnesota. But
he is he is, He has learned, he has polished
up what it needs to be a great quarterback. And
when you see it, you see his eyes, you see
(05:28):
him move people around, you see him throw it on time,
and you're right, anticipation and movement with his eyes and
moving defenders around and understanding, understanding the principles of the route,
you know, and why they're doing a heck of a
job coaching him as well. It's it's really fun to
watch coach.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I asked Hugh this in a way earlier in our
eight o'clock hour, But I want to get your perspective
from the coaching and setting these the Jimmies and Joe's
up with the proper access and those, it does feel
like they're running a lot of the twelve personnel where
they're running heavier sets out there, and yet the idea
of they're still passing a lot off of it. I mean,
(06:11):
they're keeping guys honest. Is there something that you're seeing
as far as what Kubiak is doing that's setting Sam
up for the success that he's having so far halfway
through the season.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I think so, Buck, I think when I noticed and
you look at the numbers, you know, and Jigma of
course is off the charts, but they are involving the
tight end. The running backs catch a few balls. Horton.
You know, who would have thought Horton would we talk
a lot about him, But he's looking really good to
me and Cupta in play, and so give credit I
(06:44):
give credit to the to the coaching staff. They those
heavy sets. You know, right away they talk so much
about we got to run the ball, we gotta do this,
We're going to knock people around, and that's when people
typically put in those types of play, but then they
pass it. That's what I was hoping for you first
down play action, you know, make them think it's run
(07:07):
and throw the ball. And the numbers last night, you know,
it was over three hundred yards passing and not really
a large number rushing, but they got points that worked very,
very well. So I think it's a nice adjustment by
the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean they're still running the football, but they're
still not running it overly well. I mean, the success
that you're seeing from Sam Darnold in the passing game
is just how good the passing game is right now.
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Speaker 2 (07:43):
I want to talk about js and. I remember a
certain guy by the name.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Of Jerry Rice that I used to watch from home
in Illinois and think to myself, don't aren't they aware
that he's on the team the other team?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Why is he open all the time?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
How is he how do they not know to put
like seven guys on him? Jsin is starting to get
that way with me, coach. I mean, it feels like
they can go to him whenever they need a play
and he's going to be open, and Sam's going to
deliver the ball to him.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
How does that even happen?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You tell me, because you're the guy that used to
get Jerry Rice open all the time.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Well, you know what. You you go into a game
when you have a receiver like that and anticipate certain
coverages that you're going to see for that player. In
which case, if it's if he's gloved, you know, you
throw it someplace else and you should get a completion.
But you still call his number. You know, I've told
you before I had I had Jerry Rice on my
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play sheet. The only player I did it was Sterling Shop.
I did it was certain guys, but Jerry Rice's plays.
I had a list of just his plays, and I
wanted to get to those plays because he had the
ability and the smarts, okay, to do it correctly, to
find the open spot, to turn a zone pass scheme
(09:00):
into maybe a man passing scheme with an adjustment is
a route, and I think that's what we're seeing. But
to your point, Chuck, I don't get it either. If
I'm playing against him, you know I'm gonna knock him.
I'm gonna have I'm gonna hit him at the line
of scrimmage. Don't let him get because he's you you know,
there's not a lot of passes that he catches with
(09:22):
that that's in a crowd. He seems to like find
open spaces and then Sam's hitting him with it. So
it is a little bit of a puzzle. You you
watch the films, you study it like that. He looks
like he's just open all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, he's he's certainly open in the middle of the field.
There's times where, look the tape, I got up real
early in the morning. There's a few times where he's
lined up as the widest receiver. It's press coverage and
and he was gloved up pretty good on either a
go route or an out route or what have you.
So I know that Chuck wasn't being literal to say
(10:00):
he's always open. He what he really means is he's
almost always open. And that is absolutely true. But but Mike,
you know a couple of things. I know you had
Darryl Jackson in the backfield and and and other receivers
where you'd actually put him in as a halfback. And
you know, for me, I look and I say, wait, wait,
(10:21):
if you got your number one receiver in the run
in the backfield, how does you know? And I watched
Bobby Wagner how he defended here here JSN comes out
on an option route and the first time, and and
you would think I would I would think that Bobby
Wagner would know of anybody. Oh, here comes the option route.
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They're in his zone coverage. You think he'd squeeze as
the as the hook defender, you think he'd squeeze to
the option route. But he didn't. And see I got
fourteen yards and then man to man. Uh. Clearly a
four way break, Mike, you know, inside outside, hook it
up and zone or go vertical. If you think he
got him, Sam Arnold kind of pumped. He thought he
was going to the outside, but uh uh and Jigma
(11:04):
was taking it deep. He get twenty two yards. It
gets you a field goal right before the second quarter.
Two big completions to JSN out of the backfield as
the halfback. Just talk to us about your thought about
that when you've done that in the past, what you're
expecting and and and certainly we saw some some yield
out of that last night.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, if you if you kind of can't anticipate maybe
what kind of coverage you're going to see. And you
have a player like a Jigomut or a Darryl Jackson
or a Stirling Sharp like I had, put him in
the backfield. You you know, you got he he should
win that a good even if the even if the
linebacker is really good and all that you have him.
(11:47):
There's a lot of ways to go on those option routes,
and it's a pretty good concept. But to your point,
if he's lined up there the defense, they should be
yelling to each other. It's an option, you know, they
should be alert each other to the potential for that
type of route. But he was, he was open. I mean,
they didn't do that. And and dan Quint listen, I
(12:09):
think the world of him, and he's a defensive guy.
But their defense last night. Give the Sea Owks credit.
But at Washington's defense last night wasn't there. It wasn't there.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yeah, coach, I mean it seems you I look at
different numbers and try to get information so I can
ask you guys semi decent questions from time to time,
and yet it didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
No, it's not working.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Yeah, Well, I got more things to look at there's
billions of websites and I'm bound to stumble upon one
that gives me a good question. But I mean, just
looking at some of the PFF numbers, I mean he
is pretty much lights out across the middle, short stuff
across the middle. I know that there's complaints around here
for a long time with Russell that maybe you couldn't
see that area or whatever it was. Is there anything
(12:54):
in particular that allows him to be as successful as
he is, because there was a couple third downs while
he was in the middle of that sixteen for sixteen
streak that he just you know, hooked up with Aj.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Barner, I know was one of them.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
There was one I think ken Walker coming out of
the backfield where he just sees it well or reads
it well or is it scheme oriented, because it does
seem like those are just kind of quick, you know,
dump off passes, but they end up turning into some
decent yards after catch.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah. I think I think that's the thing that impresses
me too, Bucky. I think he he understands the US
plant anticipates, he understands what the route is, where your
guys are. You know, I've said it I've said it
many times that you have a pre snap read. Okay,
this is what the coverage I think they're in. This
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is my progression one, two, three, four, five, whatever it is.
Now you take one step away from the center and move.
So it's not the coverage you thought it was going
to be, but it's this coverage and it changes your progression. Now.
That takes some time in a system to learn that
and be efficient in that. But I see him doing that,
(14:02):
and you know, being with Qubiac before maybe being a
little familiar with the system, but that takes experience, and
he's he's just in that zone right now where he's
making those decisions, you know, based on what he sees
and is really smart and he's delivering the ball in
time and he's very accurate with his passes.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I'll say, Mike Hombrin, Hugh Millan with us, who you
are Monday morning quarterbacking after last night's thirty eight fourteen
blowout win in DC against the Washington Commanders, And I
do need to ask you about you brought up Dan
Quinn the decision to keep Jaden Daniels in at the
end of the game. I didn't think it was all
(14:45):
that big of a deal, coach. But this morning, a
lot of people, commanders, fans, a lot of analysts believe
that he should have never been in and exposed to
injury there at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
How would you have.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Handled the blowout loss and whether or not Jayden Daniels
should be playing with eight minutes left in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah, I would. I would have taken him out. I
have done that. I did that. I did that would
hassle back against the Steelers one year. You know, we
weren't getting anywhere, you know, and I just we couldn't
protect very well that particular day, and I said, I
pulled him out. Now, he was a little upset, you know,
as you can imagine, but I said, listen, I'm doing
this for your own good. Just take it easy to
(15:26):
get out of here, you know. And uh so I've
done that, and I would. You know, it always comes
back to haunt you when the kid gets hurt. And
he got hurt, I mean, and so and he they
need him, They need that player at quarterback to have
a chance. And so I understand why people would the
(15:47):
fans of the of the team would would be upset
with that because he he could have taken him out.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, so he Mike, he could have taken him out.
Would you take your crew tea to rise it to
the level that you think that that was some type
of egregious mistake by dan Quinn. And and I don't
want to repeat all the numbers, but in the prior hour,
just just in the last five years, in situations like
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what we saw last night, under eight minutes, a deficit
of thirty one or more points, I got twenty nine
starters that took at least one pass attempt. There's some
of the luminaries of the game, including Tom Brady and
Ben Roethlisberger and Jared Goff and many other Pro Bowls
guys where other coaches have had their guys, you know,
(16:39):
ostensibly in the game to try and get some continuity.
We know it's a blowout, but let's maybe let's maybe
get a touchdown or get something going at the end
of the game so we feel a little better about ourselves.
And so there's many, many, you know, dozens of examples
where other coaches have done that. So while you would
not have done that, would again your critique lie at
(17:02):
rise of the level. No, dan Quinn made a big mistake.
That quarterback should have never been in that game. Where
are you in that regard?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Well, I'm not to the end of that that's strong,
but I would have taken him out. I would have
taken him out. But you know, I mean, every coach
has to make that decision. And you bring up a
good point if they could get something going then on money,
you say, okay, we can do this, but we played
a lousy first half, but this is how we can
do it. Yeah, I guess you could make that point
(17:32):
on Monday, But when you lose the player, Believe me,
he's going to be thinking about it. Dan's going to
be thinking about it. Now, what should I have done?
And you know he might in the press conference what
they know we wanted to do with the things you mentioned,
get some continuity, But down deep inside, he's gone, boy,
I should have taken him out.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yeah, I mean, I guess in hindsight it definitely he's
wishing that he had at this point too. I am
when you're watching this, I mean that game was impressive,
the way in which Bang Bang Bang. I mean, the
offense just went down the field and opened up a
really big lead, and yet the defense it was a
can of whoop boss.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
They opened it right up.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I mean, but the defense also was kind of stifling,
and it did look like they had Jayden Daniels kind
of guessing what was going on coverage wise. I mean,
are you at this point, about the halfway point in
the season, is impressed with Mike McDonald and what he's
doing on the defensive side as much as you are
the offense right now, you.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Know, But he's doing a great job hockey and that's
that's his deal. I mean, he's the head coach, but
he's also the defensive in essence, the defensive coordinates his defense.
They are playing lights and they've had injuries. They're playing
with different guys in the secondary now and they're stepping
up and making plays. But they're front and the different
looks that that they're giving the opponent and the effort
(18:58):
and that the intensity it's give give Mike a lot
of credit. Give this defense in there. I think they're
getting better. It's impressive to me. Now there's a couple
of tests that are gonna come up to rams, you know,
a better football team. You got to play the forty
nine ers again. But I was looking at the schedule
and I'm I'm checking off things that I think, Yeah,
(19:18):
they should win this one, this shouldn't, and it's looking
pretty good for him.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, it's It's as if having a quarterback go perfect
in the first half of four touchdown passes and scoring
two touchdowns thanks to a fumbled kick return in nine
seconds are beneficial to victory.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That's what I'm gathering from this meeting of minds.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Here my.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Hugh Millon, Mike holmgrin with us.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
It's Monday Morning Quarterback, and we got a lot more
to discuss. I want to get Hughes thoughts on and
coaches on, Nick even Wari as well. We haven't even
discussed him with our experts here this morning. A lot
of other ground to cover will continue with Monday Morning Quarterback.
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Speaker 3 (20:03):
Right back at it.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Darnold nine of nine on the night, takes.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Another shot and it's caught by a royal to the touchdown.
Elijah Arroyo with his first NFL touchdown.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Mike Rico on the call last night NBC. That put
it up twenty one to nothing at that point.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
And as you said earlier, it was over. It was
over At that point. The Seahawks roll to a thirty
eight to fourteen went over the Washington Commanders on Sunday
Night Football to move to six and two on the year.
And we have, of course brought back to the radio
program this morning. I mean analysts that are just really
damn good, Hugh Melling, Mike Holmgren both with us. It's amazing,
(20:48):
Like the same idiot that hired me somehow got these
two guys on.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Our Yeah, well they're nice and they're nice and then yeah,
the guy that hired news yea sucker consistent for me.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, uh so, uh.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I do want to ask coach about Nick Emon worry
But I was thinking about Hugh last night. Heugh, when
Emon Worri lifted Deebo Samuel off the ground with one
arm while trying to defend a blocker with his left arm,
I'm like, that is a play.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Hugh Millon loves am I right about that? Well, if
if you don't love that play, then then you don't
love football. Just I mean, just you know, just go
go play watch soccer, because that that is Mike. That
that was a term when I first started playing you
football and as a nine year old, the term was
a stick like that was the ultimate compliment. Okay, that's
(21:45):
a stick and uh, you know when when you have
a tackle like that, was that that was a stick.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
He showed his real range in that one. Yeah, just unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Coach. No, he is, he's you know, and and he's
the position he plays and they can use him in
a lot of different ways, I think, which fits right
into what Mike likes to do on defense. But yeah,
he's big, fast, he's got it all. And uh, you know,
we were seeing him a little bit earlier. I think
he got nicked up in the beginning of the season,
(22:16):
didn't he He did, yes, yeah, yeah, so but now
he's Yeah, he has a lot and the flexibility of
what he can do in the positions he can play
in that defense really makes the defense that much better.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, and and let's let's just kind of review that
for everybody last night, because I made a big deal
chucking buck with you guys about Hey, how are they
going to to use him now that Witherspoon is back.
Witherspoon had been the nickel, right, Mike, I thought, you
know you were you were talking from the day of
(22:53):
the draft. Hey, Witherspoon loved the player, beautiful competitor. He's
one hundred and eighty one. And if you want to
stick him in the slot and play, let him play hardball.
You know at some point there's gonna be a wear
and tear there. So now you acquire Nick and Worry. Okay,
So emm and Worry. Fifty seven snaps last night, all
in the slot except for two. Only two of fifty
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seven was he half safety, which I think is the
right usage of him. I think he's a much better
near the line of scrimmage. Witherspoon had thirty three plays
out wide, about half and half, and only five in
the slot, so exactly what we discussed about the usage.
Let's get Witherspoon outside where at his frame he we
(23:40):
can at least keep him healthy. And then now I
was wrong. I thought they'd play more dime, Mike, I've
only got him for four plays of dime. I thought
it might be closer to ten or twelve, where they'd
have Witherspoon as one overhang defender and even Worry is another.
Maybe there just wasn't enough situations for it, But into it,
(24:00):
I think it's bears in kind of almost a reporting sense, uh,
you know, an update to what they're doing personnel wise.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Might Yeah, and I think I think because whether Summer
is coming off injury, you know, he he probably could
have played more, but you can kind of ease him
back into it, at least the numbers wise. And yeah,
he's he's outside. That's where I want to see him
play outside. But then they bring him on blitzes and
stuff like that, so you know, it just gives them
(24:28):
a lot of flexibility. And this it's hard to be
a rookie playing I don't care what position you're playing.
It's difficult. And he is a young guy who is
going to continue to learn, continue to grow and get better. No,
but he was a he was a great pick real quick.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, yeah, you know there's look, it's so fun to
watch him, right, I mean, he's he's a big, rangy
athlete who's fluid in his transition when he he doesn't
just have the long speed you know four to three
like you ran the combine. He's got short area speed.
It's really fun to watch him. But there's you you
(25:09):
see you watch the tape and there's signs of him
being a rookie. On a toss to his side. He
you know, his eyes were at the wrong place. Now
he had manned a man, and so he was jolly
well make sure that his guy wasn't gonna get open.
So so that's that's kind of a rookie he'll he'll
learn that. There was another one where they did a
fake smoke uh uh screen out to and any and
(25:30):
he charged up. But in the coverage that they were in,
Witherspoon was playing that flat and and Witherspoon had it
because he charged up. There was an easy little slot,
the number two. They ran number two Mike on a
little stock like he was gonna block, and then just
released him like a little pop pass uh to the
slot receiver. And you know, they gave up a big
completion that way. So there there are signs of his
(25:53):
rookie status talking about emon worry that are on the
tape in addition to the the you know, the great athlete.
So it's ninety five percent great, five percent rookie stuff
that he's going to learn on. But the overall thing
is is just really exciting.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, his future is bright, no question.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Yeah, obviously, I mean just the defense in general looks good.
He's picking things up quicker than most. There was a
little bit of an injury situation. We don't know all
the details yet. With Ernest Jones the middle linebacker coach,
how important is that not the just middle linebacker of
playing the run and occasionally dropping into coverage and whatnot,
(26:34):
but the actual signal call er. How important is it
if he ends up missing a little bit of time.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I think it's very important to their defense. Now they
have the ability to show the ability to make up
for guys that were hurt. But he is a very
very important part of that defense by calling plays and
making plays. And when he first came here, you know,
it changed anything for the defense right away. And he
is just gotten better and better and he's counted on
(27:02):
a lot. So you saw the injury, you saw how
it happened, and embloy it just makes you WinCE when
you look at something like that. I'm hopeful it won't
be a long time, but they need him. He's very
important and the defense it'll change just a little bit
without him in there. I think, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
I mean, obviously, mike linebacker, that's a very important position.
But to get the right guy for your system like
we have Ernest Jones, I mean, he's just it feels
ideal for this system, and to lose him, I don't
want to really think about that. Who knows, NFL trading
deadline tomorrow might be something that they might have to
consider just to make sure they got a backup at
(27:40):
that spot. I want to ask you both this to
close out this segment. One point last night, Chris Collinsworth said, quote,
look out America. Seattle is jumping to the front of
the line. His way of saying, they're playing as well
as anybody in the National Football League. Coach, I know
that Washington didn't look all that great, but does that
(28:01):
take away from the Seahawks right now? Would you put
them in a conversation with anybody playing the best football
in the world these days?
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I would, I absolutely would. You know. I was looking,
like I mentioned earlier, the upcoming schedule, kind of checking
off you know, I never did this when I was coaching,
but I can do it now, checking off the what
I think are wins, you know, So that gets them
to ten and then then they played five games where
they is they split those, so they're gonna win twelve
(28:31):
games or thirteen games. They're going to be there, you know,
because you look at the other teams with a similar record,
and you know they're you say, okay, I'm betting on
the Seahawks against that team. And so I think what
Chris said was correct, and they have shown to me
the improvement as the season has gone along. They're getting
(28:52):
better every week.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Ye well, the three seed if the playoffs were to
start today, was a little bit absurd. But that that
that's the status. I would say, there's still a little
bit of me that has I want to see how
they do against another one of those top half, you know,
(29:13):
a handful of teams in the conference. I don't expect
a defensive collapse like they had against Tampa Bay. But
but you know, I still think there's some shark fins
lurking in the waters for the remainder of this sevens.
So I'm mostly convinced. But but I think they got
(29:34):
to do it against Mike. I think they got to
do it against one or two more real quality, you know,
top clear playoff teams, and and and and then maybe
we can get a teeny bit more excited.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, I think the division, you know, they have to
play the ramswice, So those two games, those two games
will I think will determine what happens those two games.
You're playing on much other guys too, but those two
games are the games that would be really interesting to watch.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Well, thirteen days from now, they'll face the Rams for
the first time in Los Angeles, so we'll know a
little bit more about them. Then we've got Mike Holmbri
and Hugh Millan. It's Monday Morning Quarterback. One more segment
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Speaker 2 (30:31):
Bucky just got the little kid and I can't do
what I want to do. I'm just gonna rke the face,
all right, vital segment.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
One last thing for coach and for Hugh and so Bucket,
let's get it.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Started, all right.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Coach a coach Trade deadline tomorrow. We've heard rumors boy
Mafe could be being shopped and Riek Wohlan could be
getting shopped.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I mean there right now.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Obviously they've got to be in cell mode thinking about
adding and yet these are two names that are kind
of linked with possibly they would be okay with moving on?
Would that just be ah? They think they could upgrade
those two guys, or they would use them to have
a big upgrade somewhere. What do you think that they're
thinking when it comes to moving on from guys considering
(31:20):
where they're at right now in the.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Standings, Well, I think John is he likes to be
active in these types of situations. But when you do this,
you know, I always cautioned our guys when you're making trades,
the other guy looks the other guy looks more attractive
than the guy you have, and most of the time
it doesn't work out that way. But if they plan
(31:46):
on doing this at the end of the season, or
making a change at the end of the season, then yeah,
go after. It wouldn't surprise me at all, particularly was
going now that we've seen that. But you know, I
don't I'm not a trade guy in the middle of
the season, but I wouldn't be surrised at all if
John didn't make a trade for that position.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
He's going to make a trade. He can't help himself, you.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Know, He's gonna make a deal to add something. It'll
be just strange if he does a couple sell moves
and a couple by moves, because all they're all their
rumored to do right now is to sell off a
couple of pieces, and I know that's not what John
Schneider is going to do at a trading deadline.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
All right, Hugh, what do you got for coach? One
last thing? Well, that conversation intrigued me because I have
felt pretty adamantly Mike that that given that you're talking
about maybe a running to the NFC, I would not
want to lose a corner of Reek Wolln's caliber. And
(32:47):
you know, even when he was playing, you know, when
they play man to man. I mean there's times, you know,
the twenty best coverages of the Seahawks this season, Reek
William's got at least half of them. You know, he's
not the consistent, he's not the physical guy. I understand
why they're there. There'd be a good reason why they'd
move on at the end of the year, but for this, uh,
(33:09):
this pushing in Mafe. You know last night he was
the edge edge on the right side on a on
a gap scheme played Mike the backside guard pulled and
he's got to close down hard and be physically He
tried to run around the block, which I know Mike
McDonald hates that, so so I get it. Why maybe
there's some guys you say, well or he's not. They're
(33:31):
not long term. But given where you are, uh and
and everything we're talking about trying to make a run,
I wouldn't want to see either one of those guys leave,
if for no other reasons than depth.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, I know that you make a very good point.
You know, I just think, uh with Woolen, you know,
expectations were so high after his rookie year and it
just hasn't kind of gone that way. And so that's
the only reason I think he's even in the mix here, right,
But you know what, you know, Chuck thinks John's gonna
(34:05):
do something. I think they're aren't probably state put, but
it wouldn't surprise me. Like you said, John likes to
move around.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yeah, yeah, uh Hugh the Ernest Jones thing. Worry that
you the day before trade deadline. Maybe you're a lower
inside linebacker.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
You know, when when the knee bends that way. I'm
not a doctor, but I've had on the m c
l uh spraying of grade two Mike, and and when
that ankle goes, you know outside and the knee kind
of is not bent, uh hyper extended, but it's in it.
It puts a strain on the inside of the of
the knee right where that m c L is, and
(34:43):
I bet she has a Grade two m c L.
And he misses this week but comes back the phone,
maybe maybe with the knee brace against the Rams, that's
his former team. You know, he's gonna want to play
and he's vital, so that might be the proud of course,
but it kind of looks like a grade two m CL.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
There to me. Yeah, I think I think to go
out and get another linebacker right now. I think Travis
Knight came in and played very well, led cave and tackles,
you know, so they they have I think they feel
pretty good about guys coming in in the secondary and
at linebacker, but they need him. I hope it's not
too long, but you know, it looked kind of nasty,
(35:21):
but he when I'm reading today, they don't anticipate a
real lengthy miss miss. But he'll miss a couple of
games or a game, all right.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I one last thing for both of you. Actually, I'm
going to close with both of you. So apparently so
Sam Donald is sixteen for sixteen at halftime, and someone
in the locker room and Sam would not reveal who
it was mentioned that he had not thrown an incomplete
pass yet, and apparently that guy is on the poop
(35:53):
list right now with Sam Donald and Sam's teammates. I
did not know this was the thing I knew in baseball.
You didn't talk about a no hitter. But is that
a thing? And how does a coach and a quarterback
who who has actually been on a sixteen for sixteen streak,
how do you react if somebody dares to mention that
(36:15):
they haven't thrown an incomplete pass yet.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Oh, go ahead, I want to take it first.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
You okay?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
No, No, Mike, No, I see to you always.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I think I think they're making as much a you
about nothing. You know, he came out the second half
and he even said he didn't even know how, He
didn't even know he had a streak going. I kind
of believe him, you know, it was going good, but
he didn't know it was that clean. But have they
I'd like to know who told him. If I'm the
coach and that let me know who told you. I
(36:50):
can't tell you. You're telling me who told you? Right now?
Tell me, you know? So then i'd handle that guy
and we'd have a little bit of a talk, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
So it is I had mine going. I think I
was maybe ten eleven into it, and I'm like, I
don't think I've had an incompletion. But but there wasn't
anybody telling me any thing about that. But I would
I would wonder, hang on if if he was told
at halftime they're not handing out, uh, the the stat
(37:26):
sheets now unless a coach mentioned it. I kind of think, Mike,
I have a strong suspicion somebody peaked on their phone
and I might have seen it on a on a
you know, a Twitter, or or just some text or whatever.
There might have been a little bit of of a
fibbing with the rules with respect to how that information
(37:48):
was acquired. I might be wrong. Maybe a coach said
something to somebody, but they don't usually do that.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
No, But the thing is, now, See when I was
I had ten or eleven coaches on my so I
I knew exactly who to look for. Now they have
twenty six or twenty seven coaches. So that number twenty
six or twenty seventh coach he's trying to get in
with Sam Darnold. Hey, I just saw this, don't tell
me buddy, you're doing fine. Maybe I can move up
(38:16):
to twenty two.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
You know, well, whoever was, somebody's getting fine in the
kangaroo court. We're you know, strapped to a poll. And
have you know footballs thrown at their you know, their
mid section.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, somebody's gonna put Yeah, somebody needs crickets thrown into
their room and let them deal with crickets all night.
All right, gentlemen, excellent stuff, Thank you very much. As always,
we'll talk to you later this week.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
All right, thanks you guys.
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Millon's been with us since eight o'clock. He'll continue with us.
To break it down a thirty eight to fourteen win
over the Washington Commanders last night on Sunday Night Football.
Joining the conversation now, former Seahawks head coach former Green
Bay Packers World Championship head coach Mike Holmgren is with
us right here on Chuck and Buck Goome morning, coach, Hey.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Good morning guys, Good morning. Did you just did you
get through Halloween? Okay?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, Bucky was just talking about how he really did
watch his figure this.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Entire No, Jack opposite, Yeah, I have crushed Halloween candy.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
He watched his figure get a lot bigger.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Man, Yeah, it just depends on how you watch it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Yeah, it's not turning in the right direction. I'll tell
you that. Coach just goes, oh boy.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Oh yeah, all right, coach, Well.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Look, I mean you've been around some great quarterback play
in your life. Does it get any better than what
we saw from Sam Donald last night?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
No? I mean he was spot on and the team was. No.
It was really something to behold. I think it sets
the tone really for the rest of the season because
he was he did a lot of things there. You know,
he he would go to his third read, he'd go
to throw it on time, throw it quick, very accurately,
(02:24):
and no, it was a performance really for the ages,
I think.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So, uh well, let's let's let's use that term for
the ages. Where does it rank for you? I mean,
I got a lot of friends texting me. Is that
the the best half of quarterbacking in Seaawk history? Is
that the best half they've ever seen? I mean, do
you kind of start reflecting on on history in that regard?
(02:51):
Did it strike you as that type of performance or
was it just kind of well, you had had some
great numbers, but and maybe a few great plays, but
but maybe not to the level of a historical sense.
Where are you on what you saw last night?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well? I think it ranks that right up there, you
because you know, and you know this better than anybody.
He completed like seven sixteen seventeen passes in a role.
I mean, even if you're having a good day and
a good night, that usually doesn't happen that way. You know.
The only comparison I would make an actual uh function
(03:27):
was Montana and the Super Bowl we played Denver. Yeah,
and you know he was and he still we still
miss some throws. I mean, you know, so now I
will say this. I was really disappointed in Washington's defense
in a lot of ways in the secondary. For one,
for sure, they're tackling their effort. I just didn't think
(03:48):
they were very good and they but give the Seax credit.
They took advantage of it. But Mike Sam maybe not
for the ages, maybe not for the ages you, but
he was he was really good last night. Yeah, Mike.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I thought of quarterbacking and I tried, like Hill to
play it well and and it very very seldom happened.
It was usually the other way around. But I've given
a lot of thought and uh, like in college, you
know one hundred level classes or introduction like psych one
on one. Okay, you're gonna get it introduced. They're gonna
tell you a sigma Freud and and then that now
if you happen to major and what havevio or even
(04:25):
a grad school school, now you get into two hundred,
three hundred and four hundred. I think that quarterbacking the
five hundred level classes are anticipation and eye manipulation of defenders.
And I thought that there was so much of that
on display by Darnold last night. Uh, I mean he
(04:45):
was moving Bobby Wagner like he had him on a string,
and the other particularly the underneath Mike undefenders, those inside
underneath defenders, and he just he knew like, hey, I
put my eyes here, I put my eyes there, and
then I throw here and then always with anticipation. I
thought he was five hundred level quarterbacking in that regard.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
No, that's a good point you and I would agree
with you. And I think you know, you look at
his history first of all, and you know he had
some rough spots with the Jets and so on and
so forth, and then he hit it with Minnesota. But
he is he is, He has learned, he has polished
up what it needs to be a great quarterback. And
when you see it, you see his eyes, you see
(05:28):
him move people around, you see him throw it on time,
and you're right, anticipation and movement with his eyes and
moving defenders around and understanding, understanding the principles of the route,
you know, and why they're doing a heck of a
job coaching him as well. It's it's really fun to
watch coach.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I asked Hugh this in a way earlier in our
eight o'clock hour, But I want to get your perspective
from the coaching and setting these the Jimmies and Joe's
up with the proper access and those, it does feel
like they're running a lot of the twelve personnel where
they're running heavier sets out there, and yet the idea
of they're still passing a lot off of it. I mean,
(06:11):
they're keeping guys honest. Is there something that you're seeing
as far as what Kubiak is doing that's setting Sam
up for the success that he's having so far halfway
through the season.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I think so, Buck, I think when I noticed and
you look at the numbers, you know, and Jigma of
course is off the charts, but they are involving the
tight end. The running backs catch a few balls. Horton.
You know, who would have thought Horton would we talk
a lot about him, But he's looking really good to
me and Cupta in play, and so give credit I
(06:44):
give credit to the to the coaching staff. They those
heavy sets. You know, right away they talk so much
about we got to run the ball, we gotta do this,
We're going to knock people around, and that's when people
typically put in those types of play, but then they
pass it. That's what I was hoping for you first
down play action, you know, make them think it's run
(07:07):
and throw the ball. And the numbers last night, you know,
it was over three hundred yards passing and not really
a large number rushing, but they got points that worked very,
very well. So I think it's a nice adjustment by
the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean they're still running the football, but they're
still not running it overly well. I mean, the success
that you're seeing from Sam Darnold in the passing game
is just how good the passing game is right now.
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Speaker 2 (07:43):
I want to talk about js and. I remember a
certain guy by the name.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Of Jerry Rice that I used to watch from home
in Illinois and think to myself, don't aren't they aware
that he's on the team the other team?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Why is he open all the time?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
How is he how do they not know to put
like seven guys on him? Jsin is starting to get
that way with me, coach. I mean, it feels like
they can go to him whenever they need a play
and he's going to be open, and Sam's going to
deliver the ball to him.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
How does that even happen?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You tell me, because you're the guy that used to
get Jerry Rice open all the time.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Well, you know what. You you go into a game
when you have a receiver like that and anticipate certain
coverages that you're going to see for that player. In
which case, if it's if he's gloved, you know, you
throw it someplace else and you should get a completion.
But you still call his number. You know, I've told
you before I had I had Jerry Rice on my
(08:40):
play sheet. The only player I did it was Sterling Shop.
I did it was certain guys, but Jerry Rice's plays.
I had a list of just his plays, and I
wanted to get to those plays because he had the
ability and the smarts, okay, to do it correctly, to
find the open spot, to turn a zone pass scheme
(09:00):
into maybe a man passing scheme with an adjustment is
a route, and I think that's what we're seeing. But
to your point, Chuck, I don't get it either. If
I'm playing against him, you know I'm gonna knock him.
I'm gonna have I'm gonna hit him at the line
of scrimmage. Don't let him get because he's you you know,
there's not a lot of passes that he catches with
(09:22):
that that's in a crowd. He seems to like find
open spaces and then Sam's hitting him with it. So
it is a little bit of a puzzle. You you
watch the films, you study it like that. He looks
like he's just open all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, he's he's certainly open in the middle of the field.
There's times where, look the tape, I got up real
early in the morning. There's a few times where he's
lined up as the widest receiver. It's press coverage and
and he was gloved up pretty good on either a
go route or an out route or what have you.
So I know that Chuck wasn't being literal to say
(10:00):
he's always open. He what he really means is he's
almost always open. And that is absolutely true. But but Mike,
you know a couple of things. I know you had
Darryl Jackson in the backfield and and and other receivers
where you'd actually put him in as a halfback. And
you know, for me, I look and I say, wait, wait,
(10:21):
if you got your number one receiver in the run
in the backfield, how does you know? And I watched
Bobby Wagner how he defended here here JSN comes out
on an option route and the first time, and and
you would think I would I would think that Bobby
Wagner would know of anybody. Oh, here comes the option route.
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They're in his zone coverage. You think he'd squeeze as
the as the hook defender, you think he'd squeeze to
the option route. But he didn't. And see I got
fourteen yards and then man to man. Uh. Clearly a
four way break, Mike, you know, inside outside, hook it
up and zone or go vertical. If you think he
got him, Sam Arnold kind of pumped. He thought he
was going to the outside, but uh uh and Jigma
(11:04):
was taking it deep. He get twenty two yards. It
gets you a field goal right before the second quarter.
Two big completions to JSN out of the backfield as
the halfback. Just talk to us about your thought about
that when you've done that in the past, what you're
expecting and and and certainly we saw some some yield
out of that last night.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, if you if you kind of can't anticipate maybe
what kind of coverage you're going to see. And you
have a player like a Jigomut or a Darryl Jackson
or a Stirling Sharp like I had, put him in
the backfield. You you know, you got he he should
win that a good even if the even if the
linebacker is really good and all that you have him.
(11:47):
There's a lot of ways to go on those option routes,
and it's a pretty good concept. But to your point,
if he's lined up there the defense, they should be
yelling to each other. It's an option, you know, they
should be alert each other to the potential for that
type of route. But he was, he was open. I mean,
they didn't do that. And and dan Quint listen, I
(12:09):
think the world of him, and he's a defensive guy.
But their defense last night. Give the Sea Owks credit.
But at Washington's defense last night wasn't there. It wasn't there.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yeah, coach, I mean it seems you I look at
different numbers and try to get information so I can
ask you guys semi decent questions from time to time,
and yet it didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
No, it's not working.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Yeah, Well, I got more things to look at there's
billions of websites and I'm bound to stumble upon one
that gives me a good question. But I mean, just
looking at some of the PFF numbers, I mean he
is pretty much lights out across the middle, short stuff
across the middle. I know that there's complaints around here
for a long time with Russell that maybe you couldn't
see that area or whatever it was. Is there anything
(12:54):
in particular that allows him to be as successful as
he is, because there was a couple third downs while
he was in the middle of that sixteen for sixteen
streak that he just you know, hooked up with Aj.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Barner, I know was one of them.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
There was one I think ken Walker coming out of
the backfield where he just sees it well or reads
it well or is it scheme oriented, because it does
seem like those are just kind of quick, you know,
dump off passes, but they end up turning into some
decent yards after catch.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah. I think I think that's the thing that impresses
me too, Bucky. I think he he understands the US
plant anticipates, he understands what the route is, where your
guys are. You know, I've said it I've said it
many times that you have a pre snap read. Okay,
this is what the coverage I think they're in. This
(13:42):
is my progression one, two, three, four, five, whatever it is.
Now you take one step away from the center and move.
So it's not the coverage you thought it was going
to be, but it's this coverage and it changes your progression. Now.
That takes some time in a system to learn that
and be efficient in that. But I see him doing that,
(14:02):
and you know, being with Qubiac before maybe being a
little familiar with the system, but that takes experience, and
he's he's just in that zone right now where he's
making those decisions, you know, based on what he sees
and is really smart and he's delivering the ball in
time and he's very accurate with his passes.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I'll say, Mike Hombrin, Hugh Millan with us, who you
are Monday morning quarterbacking after last night's thirty eight fourteen
blowout win in DC against the Washington Commanders, And I
do need to ask you about you brought up Dan
Quinn the decision to keep Jaden Daniels in at the
end of the game. I didn't think it was all
(14:45):
that big of a deal, coach. But this morning, a
lot of people, commanders, fans, a lot of analysts believe
that he should have never been in and exposed to
injury there at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
How would you have.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Handled the blowout loss and whether or not Jayden Daniels
should be playing with eight minutes left in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah, I would. I would have taken him out. I
have done that. I did that. I did that would
hassle back against the Steelers one year. You know, we
weren't getting anywhere, you know, and I just we couldn't
protect very well that particular day, and I said, I
pulled him out. Now, he was a little upset, you know,
as you can imagine, but I said, listen, I'm doing
this for your own good. Just take it easy to
(15:26):
get out of here, you know. And uh so I've
done that, and I would. You know, it always comes
back to haunt you when the kid gets hurt. And
he got hurt, I mean, and so and he they
need him, They need that player at quarterback to have
a chance. And so I understand why people would the
(15:47):
fans of the of the team would would be upset
with that because he he could have taken him out.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, so he Mike, he could have taken him out.
Would you take your crew tea to rise it to
the level that you think that that was some type
of egregious mistake by dan Quinn. And and I don't
want to repeat all the numbers, but in the prior hour,
just just in the last five years, in situations like
(16:16):
what we saw last night, under eight minutes, a deficit
of thirty one or more points, I got twenty nine
starters that took at least one pass attempt. There's some
of the luminaries of the game, including Tom Brady and
Ben Roethlisberger and Jared Goff and many other Pro Bowls
guys where other coaches have had their guys, you know,
(16:39):
ostensibly in the game to try and get some continuity.
We know it's a blowout, but let's maybe let's maybe
get a touchdown or get something going at the end
of the game so we feel a little better about ourselves.
And so there's many, many, you know, dozens of examples
where other coaches have done that. So while you would
not have done that, would again your critique lie at
(17:02):
rise of the level. No, dan Quinn made a big mistake.
That quarterback should have never been in that game. Where
are you in that regard?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Well, I'm not to the end of that that's strong,
but I would have taken him out. I would have
taken him out. But you know, I mean, every coach
has to make that decision. And you bring up a
good point if they could get something going then on money,
you say, okay, we can do this, but we played
a lousy first half, but this is how we can
do it. Yeah, I guess you could make that point
(17:32):
on Monday, But when you lose the player, Believe me,
he's going to be thinking about it. Dan's going to
be thinking about it. Now, what should I have done?
And you know he might in the press conference what
they know we wanted to do with the things you mentioned,
get some continuity, But down deep inside, he's gone, boy,
I should have taken him out.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yeah, I mean, I guess in hindsight it definitely he's
wishing that he had at this point too. I am
when you're watching this, I mean that game was impressive,
the way in which Bang Bang Bang. I mean, the
offense just went down the field and opened up a
really big lead, and yet the defense it was a
can of whoop boss.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
They opened it right up.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I mean, but the defense also was kind of stifling,
and it did look like they had Jayden Daniels kind
of guessing what was going on coverage wise. I mean,
are you at this point, about the halfway point in
the season, is impressed with Mike McDonald and what he's
doing on the defensive side as much as you are
the offense right now, you.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Know, But he's doing a great job hockey and that's
that's his deal. I mean, he's the head coach, but
he's also the defensive in essence, the defensive coordinates his defense.
They are playing lights and they've had injuries. They're playing
with different guys in the secondary now and they're stepping
up and making plays. But they're front and the different
looks that that they're giving the opponent and the effort
(18:58):
and that the intensity it's give give Mike a lot
of credit. Give this defense in there. I think they're
getting better. It's impressive to me. Now there's a couple
of tests that are gonna come up to rams, you know,
a better football team. You got to play the forty
nine ers again. But I was looking at the schedule
and I'm I'm checking off things that I think, Yeah,
(19:18):
they should win this one, this shouldn't, and it's looking
pretty good for him.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, it's It's as if having a quarterback go perfect
in the first half of four touchdown passes and scoring
two touchdowns thanks to a fumbled kick return in nine
seconds are beneficial to victory.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That's what I'm gathering from this meeting of minds.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Here my.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Hugh Millon, Mike holmgrin with us.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
It's Monday Morning Quarterback, and we got a lot more
to discuss. I want to get Hughes thoughts on and
coaches on, Nick even Wari as well. We haven't even
discussed him with our experts here this morning. A lot
of other ground to cover will continue with Monday Morning Quarterback.
Next on Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM, Seattle.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Right back at it.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Darnold nine of nine on the night, takes.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Another shot and it's caught by a royal to the touchdown.
Elijah Arroyo with his first NFL touchdown.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Mike Rico on the call last night NBC. That put
it up twenty one to nothing at that point.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
And as you said earlier, it was over. It was
over At that point. The Seahawks roll to a thirty
eight to fourteen went over the Washington Commanders on Sunday
Night Football to move to six and two on the year.
And we have, of course brought back to the radio
program this morning. I mean analysts that are just really
damn good, Hugh Melling, Mike Holmgren both with us. It's amazing,
(20:48):
Like the same idiot that hired me somehow got these
two guys on.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Our Yeah, well they're nice and they're nice and then yeah,
the guy that hired news yea sucker consistent for me.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, uh so, uh.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I do want to ask coach about Nick Emon worry
But I was thinking about Hugh last night. Heugh, when
Emon Worri lifted Deebo Samuel off the ground with one
arm while trying to defend a blocker with his left arm,
I'm like, that is a play.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Hugh Millon loves am I right about that? Well, if
if you don't love that play, then then you don't
love football. Just I mean, just you know, just go
go play watch soccer, because that that is Mike. That
that was a term when I first started playing you
football and as a nine year old, the term was
a stick like that was the ultimate compliment. Okay, that's
(21:45):
a stick and uh, you know when when you have
a tackle like that, was that that was a stick.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
He showed his real range in that one. Yeah, just unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Coach. No, he is, he's you know, and and he's
the position he plays and they can use him in
a lot of different ways, I think, which fits right
into what Mike likes to do on defense. But yeah,
he's big, fast, he's got it all. And uh, you know,
we were seeing him a little bit earlier. I think
he got nicked up in the beginning of the season,
(22:16):
didn't he He did, yes, yeah, yeah, so but now
he's Yeah, he has a lot and the flexibility of
what he can do in the positions he can play
in that defense really makes the defense that much better.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, and and let's let's just kind of review that
for everybody last night, because I made a big deal
chucking buck with you guys about Hey, how are they
going to to use him now that Witherspoon is back.
Witherspoon had been the nickel, right, Mike, I thought, you
know you were you were talking from the day of
(22:53):
the draft. Hey, Witherspoon loved the player, beautiful competitor. He's
one hundred and eighty one. And if you want to
stick him in the slot and play, let him play hardball.
You know at some point there's gonna be a wear
and tear there. So now you acquire Nick and Worry. Okay,
So emm and Worry. Fifty seven snaps last night, all
in the slot except for two. Only two of fifty
(23:16):
seven was he half safety, which I think is the
right usage of him. I think he's a much better
near the line of scrimmage. Witherspoon had thirty three plays
out wide, about half and half, and only five in
the slot, so exactly what we discussed about the usage.
Let's get Witherspoon outside where at his frame he we
(23:40):
can at least keep him healthy. And then now I
was wrong. I thought they'd play more dime, Mike, I've
only got him for four plays of dime. I thought
it might be closer to ten or twelve, where they'd
have Witherspoon as one overhang defender and even Worry is another.
Maybe there just wasn't enough situations for it, But into it,
(24:00):
I think it's bears in kind of almost a reporting sense, uh,
you know, an update to what they're doing personnel wise.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Might Yeah, and I think I think because whether Summer
is coming off injury, you know, he he probably could
have played more, but you can kind of ease him
back into it, at least the numbers wise. And yeah,
he's he's outside. That's where I want to see him
play outside. But then they bring him on blitzes and
stuff like that, so you know, it just gives them
(24:28):
a lot of flexibility. And this it's hard to be
a rookie playing I don't care what position you're playing.
It's difficult. And he is a young guy who is
going to continue to learn, continue to grow and get better. No,
but he was a he was a great pick real quick.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, yeah, you know there's look, it's so fun to
watch him, right, I mean, he's he's a big, rangy
athlete who's fluid in his transition when he he doesn't
just have the long speed you know four to three
like you ran the combine. He's got short area speed.
It's really fun to watch him. But there's you you
(25:09):
see you watch the tape and there's signs of him
being a rookie. On a toss to his side. He
you know, his eyes were at the wrong place. Now
he had manned a man, and so he was jolly
well make sure that his guy wasn't gonna get open.
So so that's that's kind of a rookie he'll he'll
learn that. There was another one where they did a
fake smoke uh uh screen out to and any and
(25:30):
he charged up. But in the coverage that they were in,
Witherspoon was playing that flat and and Witherspoon had it
because he charged up. There was an easy little slot,
the number two. They ran number two Mike on a
little stock like he was gonna block, and then just
released him like a little pop pass uh to the
slot receiver. And you know, they gave up a big
completion that way. So there there are signs of his
(25:53):
rookie status talking about emon worry that are on the
tape in addition to the the you know, the great athlete.
So it's ninety five percent great, five percent rookie stuff
that he's going to learn on. But the overall thing
is is just really exciting.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, his future is bright, no question.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Yeah, obviously, I mean just the defense in general looks good.
He's picking things up quicker than most. There was a
little bit of an injury situation. We don't know all
the details yet. With Ernest Jones the middle linebacker coach,
how important is that not the just middle linebacker of
playing the run and occasionally dropping into coverage and whatnot,
(26:34):
but the actual signal call er. How important is it
if he ends up missing a little bit of time.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I think it's very important to their defense. Now they
have the ability to show the ability to make up
for guys that were hurt. But he is a very
very important part of that defense by calling plays and
making plays. And when he first came here, you know,
it changed anything for the defense right away. And he
is just gotten better and better and he's counted on
(27:02):
a lot. So you saw the injury, you saw how
it happened, and embloy it just makes you WinCE when
you look at something like that. I'm hopeful it won't
be a long time, but they need him. He's very
important and the defense it'll change just a little bit
without him in there. I think, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
I mean, obviously, mike linebacker, that's a very important position.
But to get the right guy for your system like
we have Ernest Jones, I mean, he's just it feels
ideal for this system, and to lose him, I don't
want to really think about that. Who knows, NFL trading
deadline tomorrow might be something that they might have to
consider just to make sure they got a backup at
(27:40):
that spot. I want to ask you both this to
close out this segment. One point last night, Chris Collinsworth said, quote,
look out America. Seattle is jumping to the front of
the line. His way of saying, they're playing as well
as anybody in the National Football League. Coach, I know
that Washington didn't look all that great, but does that
(28:01):
take away from the Seahawks right now? Would you put
them in a conversation with anybody playing the best football
in the world these days?
Speaker 3 (28:10):
I would, I absolutely would. You know. I was looking,
like I mentioned earlier, the upcoming schedule, kind of checking
off you know, I never did this when I was coaching,
but I can do it now, checking off the what
I think are wins, you know, So that gets them
to ten and then then they played five games where
they is they split those, so they're gonna win twelve
(28:31):
games or thirteen games. They're going to be there, you know,
because you look at the other teams with a similar record,
and you know they're you say, okay, I'm betting on
the Seahawks against that team. And so I think what
Chris said was correct, and they have shown to me
the improvement as the season has gone along. They're getting
(28:52):
better every week.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Ye well, the three seed if the playoffs were to
start today, was a little bit absurd. But that that
that's the status. I would say, there's still a little
bit of me that has I want to see how
they do against another one of those top half, you know,
(29:13):
a handful of teams in the conference. I don't expect
a defensive collapse like they had against Tampa Bay. But
but you know, I still think there's some shark fins
lurking in the waters for the remainder of this sevens.
So I'm mostly convinced. But but I think they got
(29:34):
to do it against Mike. I think they got to
do it against one or two more real quality, you know,
top clear playoff teams, and and and and then maybe
we can get a teeny bit more excited.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, I think the division, you know, they have to
play the ramswice, So those two games, those two games
will I think will determine what happens those two games.
You're playing on much other guys too, but those two
games are the games that would be really interesting to watch.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Well, thirteen days from now, they'll face the Rams for
the first time in Los Angeles, so we'll know a
little bit more about them. Then we've got Mike Holmbri
and Hugh Millan. It's Monday Morning Quarterback. One more segment
to go Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Bucky just got the little kid and I can't do
what I want to do. I'm just gonna rke the face,
all right, vital segment.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
One last thing for coach and for Hugh and so Bucket,
let's get it.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Started, all right.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Coach a coach Trade deadline tomorrow. We've heard rumors boy
Mafe could be being shopped and Riek Wohlan could be
getting shopped.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I mean there right now.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Obviously they've got to be in cell mode thinking about
adding and yet these are two names that are kind
of linked with possibly they would be okay with moving on?
Would that just be ah? They think they could upgrade
those two guys, or they would use them to have
a big upgrade somewhere. What do you think that they're
thinking when it comes to moving on from guys considering
(31:20):
where they're at right now in the.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Standings, Well, I think John is he likes to be
active in these types of situations. But when you do this,
you know, I always cautioned our guys when you're making trades,
the other guy looks the other guy looks more attractive
than the guy you have, and most of the time
it doesn't work out that way. But if they plan
(31:46):
on doing this at the end of the season, or
making a change at the end of the season, then yeah,
go after. It wouldn't surprise me at all, particularly was
going now that we've seen that. But you know, I
don't I'm not a trade guy in the middle of
the season, but I wouldn't be surrised at all if
John didn't make a trade for that position.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
He's going to make a trade. He can't help himself, you.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Know, He's gonna make a deal to add something. It'll
be just strange if he does a couple sell moves
and a couple by moves, because all they're all their
rumored to do right now is to sell off a
couple of pieces, and I know that's not what John
Schneider is going to do at a trading deadline.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
All right, Hugh, what do you got for coach? One
last thing? Well, that conversation intrigued me because I have
felt pretty adamantly Mike that that given that you're talking
about maybe a running to the NFC, I would not
want to lose a corner of Reek Wolln's caliber. And
(32:47):
you know, even when he was playing, you know, when
they play man to man. I mean there's times, you know,
the twenty best coverages of the Seahawks this season, Reek
William's got at least half of them. You know, he's
not the consistent, he's not the physical guy. I understand
why they're there. There'd be a good reason why they'd
move on at the end of the year, but for this, uh,
(33:09):
this pushing in Mafe. You know last night he was
the edge edge on the right side on a on
a gap scheme played Mike the backside guard pulled and
he's got to close down hard and be physically He
tried to run around the block, which I know Mike
McDonald hates that, so so I get it. Why maybe
there's some guys you say, well or he's not. They're
(33:31):
not long term. But given where you are, uh and
and everything we're talking about trying to make a run,
I wouldn't want to see either one of those guys leave,
if for no other reasons than depth.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, I know that you make a very good point.
You know, I just think, uh with Woolen, you know,
expectations were so high after his rookie year and it
just hasn't kind of gone that way. And so that's
the only reason I think he's even in the mix here, right,
But you know what, you know, Chuck thinks John's gonna
(34:05):
do something. I think they're aren't probably state put, but
it wouldn't surprise me. Like you said, John likes to
move around.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yeah, yeah, uh Hugh the Ernest Jones thing. Worry that
you the day before trade deadline. Maybe you're a lower
inside linebacker.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
You know, when when the knee bends that way. I'm
not a doctor, but I've had on the m c
l uh spraying of grade two Mike, and and when
that ankle goes, you know outside and the knee kind
of is not bent, uh hyper extended, but it's in it.
It puts a strain on the inside of the of
the knee right where that m c L is, and
(34:43):
I bet she has a Grade two m c L.
And he misses this week but comes back the phone,
maybe maybe with the knee brace against the Rams, that's
his former team. You know, he's gonna want to play
and he's vital, so that might be the proud of course,
but it kind of looks like a grade two m CL.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
There to me. Yeah, I think I think to go
out and get another linebacker right now. I think Travis
Knight came in and played very well, led cave and tackles,
you know, so they they have I think they feel
pretty good about guys coming in in the secondary and
at linebacker, but they need him. I hope it's not
too long, but you know, it looked kind of nasty,
(35:21):
but he when I'm reading today, they don't anticipate a
real lengthy miss miss. But he'll miss a couple of
games or a game, all right.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I one last thing for both of you. Actually, I'm
going to close with both of you. So apparently so
Sam Donald is sixteen for sixteen at halftime, and someone
in the locker room and Sam would not reveal who
it was mentioned that he had not thrown an incomplete
pass yet, and apparently that guy is on the poop
(35:53):
list right now with Sam Donald and Sam's teammates. I
did not know this was the thing I knew in baseball.
You didn't talk about a no hitter. But is that
a thing? And how does a coach and a quarterback
who who has actually been on a sixteen for sixteen streak,
how do you react if somebody dares to mention that
(36:15):
they haven't thrown an incomplete pass yet.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Oh, go ahead, I want to take it first.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
You okay?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
No, No, Mike, No, I see to you always.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I think I think they're making as much a you
about nothing. You know, he came out the second half
and he even said he didn't even know how, He
didn't even know he had a streak going. I kind
of believe him, you know, it was going good, but
he didn't know it was that clean. But have they
I'd like to know who told him. If I'm the
coach and that let me know who told you. I
(36:50):
can't tell you. You're telling me who told you? Right now?
Tell me, you know? So then i'd handle that guy
and we'd have a little bit of a talk, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
So it is I had mine going. I think I
was maybe ten eleven into it, and I'm like, I
don't think I've had an incompletion. But but there wasn't
anybody telling me any thing about that. But I would
I would wonder, hang on if if he was told
at halftime they're not handing out, uh, the the stat
(37:26):
sheets now unless a coach mentioned it. I kind of think, Mike,
I have a strong suspicion somebody peaked on their phone
and I might have seen it on a on a
you know, a Twitter, or or just some text or whatever.
There might have been a little bit of of a
fibbing with the rules with respect to how that information
(37:48):
was acquired. I might be wrong. Maybe a coach said
something to somebody, but they don't usually do that.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
No, But the thing is, now, See when I was
I had ten or eleven coaches on my so I
I knew exactly who to look for. Now they have
twenty six or twenty seven coaches. So that number twenty
six or twenty seventh coach he's trying to get in
with Sam Darnold. Hey, I just saw this, don't tell
me buddy, you're doing fine. Maybe I can move up
(38:16):
to twenty two.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
You know, well, whoever was, somebody's getting fine in the
kangaroo court. We're you know, strapped to a poll. And
have you know footballs thrown at their you know, their
mid section.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, somebody's gonna put Yeah, somebody needs crickets thrown into
their room and let them deal with crickets all night.
All right, gentlemen, excellent stuff, Thank you very much. As always,
we'll talk to you later this week.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
All right, thanks you guys.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
All right, Monday Morning Quarterback with Hugh Millen and Mike
Homegroun right here on Chuck and Buck. We'll be back
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