November 6, 2025 • 35 mins
12th Man Roundtable with HUGH MILLEN & GREGG BELL (Tacoma News Tribune) We have a trade to talk about! Why did the Hawks trade for Shaheed and what does he bring to this offense that’s already having success? :30- The Seahawks host the Cardinals on Sunday and the biggest story is what’s going on with Kyler Murray? Jacoby Brissett was named the starter for Arizona and Murray was sent to IR. What’s really going on and are the Cardinals a better team without Murray? :45- We wrap up the Roundtable with Bucky’s prediction, Gregg’s key to the game and one last thing from Hugh Millen.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Friday o'clock hour Here on a Thursday, Ashley Ryan Bucky
Jacobson is back with calloused hands after rescuing his family
from a fallen tree yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Lumberbuck is here to talk sports.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
After acting like a manly man, yeah for twenty four hours, well.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Very manly for about eight hours, and then felt very
old and injured, just almost You.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Just got to get back into the habit of doing
it every day. Not going to do that. Oh, don't
want to be a logger. I know that, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, Chuck Powell here and of course every Thursday at
this time on twelfth Man Roundtable where we talked from
Seahawks football with our Seahawks experts, our Seahawks insider Greg Bell,
and also our QB one top analyst around these yere parts.
You Millan is with us here on Chuck and Buck
in the mornings.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Good morning man, Good morning.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, we've got news to discuss, and that is an
NFL trading deadline that brought the Seattle Seahawks one Rashid
Shahed this week. And so Greg, I'll just ask you
first how all this came together and why Rashid Shaheed
is a Seattle Seahawk today.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Well, the Saints are one and eight, that's the first thing.
And the teams that are one and eight with expiring
contracts want to get draft picks before they lose them
for next to nothing. And Rashid Shaheed has an expiring
contract at the end of the season. He's an All
Pro from twenty twenty three with kick returns and wide
receivers only seventy catch season, but he had a great
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kick return season as well.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
He's going to do both of those things for Seattle
as well. So they did it because they think that
they are.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
On the cusp with something offensively, and we've talked about
how this is not how they were designed to run.
They were supposed to run the ball out more effectively,
but they're still running in enough that teams are stacked
in the box against him. They faced more stack boxes,
meaning eight or more in the box near the line
of scrimmage and any team in the NFL. So even
with Smith and Jigba leading the NFL in yards or
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twenty yard plus catches with eleven, they're still seeing stack boxes.
So now they're going to get a true blow the
top off the defense. Guy that runs down the field
his average targets yards to target is seventeen point six
this season. That's two yards more than Smith' and Jigba.
So they're going to send him over the top of
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these defenses that have been packed in the line of
scrimmage with the hopes of eventually the single high safety
coverage becomes too high safety, meaning Molly pull one of
those guys out of the box to make it easier
to run, to have those run lanes less clocked. That's
a very simplistic answer to why Shaheed is here, and
it's going to be interesting to see if defenses actually
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do this. Mike McDonald, defensive mind yesterday said, Wow, it's
not quite that simple that if you add a deep
guy that the defense is going to change. The defense
is what it is, and they did the best ones
do what they do. As he said, he'd throw their fastball.
So the best teams they're gonna have to play. The
Rams and the forty nine ers the rest of the
way aren't suddenly going to junk their defensive schemes because
they have Shaheed.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
But it's it's some.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Of the other teams that they're playing in the meantime
that will change.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
If they're going to start sending twenty.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Five thirty forty yard routes to a guy who runs
twenty two miles an hour down the field. That's the thinking.
And oh, by the way, I've done a lot of
these now for twenty plus years. I can't remember a
guy who showed up in three hours after he first
stepped in the building says this is my long term home.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
He hadn't even taken a practice yet, and he said,
we're going to figure out the contract.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I'm going to resign here and this is my long term.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
It is a beautiful facility. I'll give him that very well.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
A blowy rady forty yeah, yeah, day.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
All right here, what do we got in Rashicha? What
are you seeing on film? Well, first of all, I
agree with most of what Greg said, But Greg, you
know the part about acquiring him to loosen up the
heavy boxes. First of all, Mike McDonald was asking, Hey,
are you trying to change how defenses play you by
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stretching the field with speaking Yeah. And and this is
Mike McDonald's quote. I don't think we're trying to dictate
structures or anything. It's as simple as this guy can
really help us, and then he went on to say,
we got assimilate him right. Then he was asked another
question similar to that. Uh, and it's you guys have
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faced maybe the highest percent of loaded boxes can receed
with his deep threat ability. Change that and right and
so and this is available. You can just go on
s X dot com and watch. This is for anybody.
If my interpretation is misguided, he says. McDonald says, well, uh,
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I mean, and he's kind of like looking for and
then he says yes. But he then says, immediately, I
think different teams operate under different modes of operation and philosophies.
And then he went on to say, you know, some
teams are too high structures and then they mix it
up with single high and vice versa. And he sums
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it up and he says, I guess what I'm saying
is I think it's a week to week thing, meaning
based on the opponent. So that's point number one, point
number two. As far as the running game, now, look,
there's different ways to First of all, if a heavy
box is an eight man front, well, if you're running
more twelve and twenty one personnel than other people, you're
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gonna see more of that, I prefer to think of
it as a heavy or a light box, because sometimes
a seven man front can be a heavy box based
on your formation. And so when you go middle of
field closed, that's that that would be the heavy box.
The numbers are the yards per rush for the Seahawks.
They're four point three against close. Now this is from
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the NFL staff portal on middlefold field open the splits
safety defenses, their yards per rush is three point two
less than a yard or more than a yard less.
The rush success against the single safety forty. Rush success
drops to thirty three point seven percent. So you've got that.
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And then the final I'm gonna go to Pete Carroll
after the twenty twenty season, when asked about uh, he says,
we have to run the ball better. Uh, not even better,
we have to run it more. He says, we have
to dictate what's going on with people and what they're playing. Frankly,
I'd like not to play against too hot, too deep,
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two two deep looks all season long next year. So
here was Pete Carroll saying saying, I don't want to
have I want to invite a heavy box. And because
he thought that, it opened up with the passing game,
So I would say, caution what it does and unintended
consequences having having heavy boxes that allow Sam donald to
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throw and get more one on ones on the outside
and what have you. That's the strength of the football team.
So so I think, uh, there's a lot too. I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I don't get any sense. Maybe others did. I didn't
get any sense from Mike McDonald that that's the reason
why they acquired him. He said, he said, quote, this
is as simple as as a guy can really help
us now to answer chuch question real quick. The guys
five times ten and a half with thirty one inch
arms and one eighty five that would scream to me
slot receiver if that's all I knew about it. But
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this year he's been in the slot forty two percent
of the time, and last year with Clint Kobiak, because
a Saint he was, he was in the slot twenty
five percent of the time. And his receptions are are
pretty paralleling those those numbers. Uh, this is a guy
that that has has really good speed and quickness you
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would expect at that at size they had to play
with the Saints. They lined him up at tailback and
just tossed him the ball as if he was Alvin Kamara.
On a second and three he got four yr. You
don't do that unless you have a high ability about
AA guys running ability and be his toughness. As far
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as you know, I just think that what I see
on tape, I think I think he does most every
thing really well. I don't think he does anything great.
You know, his best attribute is his long speed. I
saw an eighty seven yard on a high corner route.
His ball tracking in hands are okay, run after the
cats decent. And I'll close with this against I filtered
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all number two receivers in the NFL based on targets,
and he's he was the number two at Saints. The
yards per game at fifty five, that's the ninth best.
His snaps his fifth, he was fifth. Receptions game, he
was third four point eight nine. Now EPA expected points
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that that falls down to twenty five, but that there's
a quarterback component to that. In first downs he's six.
So I think I think that he kind of slots
as a middle of the road number two. And if
you get that the depth and all the things and
add a little bit of speed, concerns about Cooper Cup.
Sorry that's a long answer, but I think it's quite
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a topic today, what's going on with Rashid Shaheed? And
I got more on my notes. Yeah, Greg, what is
the plan for the usage of him?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I mean, because if I'm to read based off of
Hughes comments and just what I've seen from the New
Orleans Saints the last couple of years, I think previously
he was just a deep threat and then maybe this
year playing slot a little bit more based on the percentages,
they wanted to get the ball in his hands more
and it's led to fewer yards per catch by a
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long margin. So I mean Clint Kubiak was using him
as in a different way than what Kellen Moore has
been using him this year. So what would the plan
be for the Seahawks and how they're going to use him?
As far as you can tell, you've only been around
this project for forty eight hours here.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Yeah, I haven't seen him even run down the field
yeah practice yet, but I will tell you the idea
is that he's the deeper guy that Smith and Jigba
who's getting about fifteen yards per target, and this guy
Shaheed getting seventeen plus yards of target that they're gonna
go with him as the deeper guy. That eighty seven
yard touchdown against the Giants that you mentioned, he ran
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twenty one point seven miles an hour as the fast
of week five. He's got two of the ten fastest
time measured runs with the ball in his hands this season.
So that's not what cup is. Cup is six point
six average yards to target and Tory Horton actually leads
its team right now with just over fifteen yards per target.
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And we have talked on this show that Hugh Millan
has mentioned a couple of times how Tory Horton has
been running free at times and they've not thrown Darnold
has not thrown to him and thrown to Smith and
Jigbit instead. So they have a intermediate guy. Intermediate in
the sense of where his routes go now yards after
catch for Smith and jig but turns into twenty plus
and he leaves the NFL in those catches eleven of them.
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But I think the patterns are going to be deeper
because he's faster Shahi, so they're going to run twenty
plus routes rather than catch and run plus gains that
they've had with Smith and Jigba. The idea would be,
if you have him Shaheed running the deeper routes, there
should be even more intermediate space, especially against zone coverage
for Smith and Jigbu. Where Cup figures into all of
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this is interesting. The timing of this trade is when
Cup has two leg injuries, one of which kept him
out of the game last week, and it was a
reminder when he was in It was a reminder when
he pulled up lame in practice on Thursday with a
hamstring issue on top of his heel issue. Why the
Rams gave up on him at age thirty two? Right,
he wouldn't even be a Seahawk if he hadn't had
three years of injuries in LA that made him give
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up on their ninety million dollars contract they gave him.
So is this a sign that they think Cooper Cup
is breaking down halfway into his first season of a
three year contract.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
If they re signed Shaheed, that would suggest that, wouldn't
it be?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Because Shaheed is six years younger, well five, He just
turned twenty seven, and he's infinitely faster, and he doesn't
have the injuries, although he did have a knee injury,
and he missed the last ten games of the Saints
last season last year. The Cup situation is interesting because
if he does come back healthy, and he was not
practicing yesterday, they had a very light walkthrough. If he
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comes back, where does he fit? Is he hath number three,
a former Super Bowl MVP and Offensive Player of the Year.
Is he a number three behind an undrafted a guy
who just three years ago is undrafted out of over
division Weaver State, which is what Shaheat is. Cup has
been a team first guy from the start, but I
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could see how he might not go for that.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
So there's a dynamic there that they're going to have
to massage.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
If in fact this Shaheed is the number two receiver,
He's going to be number two as long as Cup
is hurt.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Help. Yeah, I think that there's some concerns about Cooper Cup.
And I'm somewhat influenced by my experience with the thirty
third team that think Tank and a guy named Mike
getting Zuan's pro scout. It's literally a sixty year scouting business.
Then they've got a lot of databases to compare in
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an actual areial sense in and his number one advice
he doesn't do blogs and website for fans. He's hired
as consultants to NFL teams and has they have been
for sixty years. And he said the number one mistake
that teams make is high is bringing on older and
previously broke down players. And so the exact guy that
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he would caution against was Cooper Cup Unfortunately, so I
don't know how this is going to play out. Greg's
exactly right in terms of the use if you if
you have let's say, let's let's look for this. Let's
say you have Jackson Smith and Jigba on a deep
crossing route and over Some people call it an over out,
so call it a race. What call it what you want.
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But then you've got to clear out that area with
speed on a post route or perhaps a go depending
on the structure and the formation and the hats and
all that. But having a fast guy that makes the
defense turn just a little bit faster, get out of
their back pedal and say, oh crap, I got heat
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coming on me. When when a quarterback sees that, when
he goes play action and he turns his back, you
don't want to see that deep layer kind of middling
in in that middle ground. You want to see that
deep lay. You want to see that deep layer of
the defense. They've turned their hips, they're running backwards, they're
not in their back pedal anymore, and you say, okay,
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there's no threat of them climbing top down on my
intermediate cut to Jackson Smith and Jigban and then you
let it rip. Now, Sam Donald's been really good at it.
The idea that he could even be better with the
vertical stretch is something clear. That is one of the
boxes that the Seahawks think that he's checking a.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Little bit of housekeeping. Chuck Donald said yes. Said when
I asked him is he going to play? Is he's
spun up enough that he's going to be able to
play on Sunday, he said, I sure hope so, and
even laughter that took that as an absolute yes because
he knows Kubiak. And also we asked him, what's he
going to be in the kick game? He did more
punt return earlier in his career than kickoff return, and
lately he's done kickoff return for the Saints too, And
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he said he's going to be involved in our return game.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Sha.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
But he also said Tory Horton is still our primary
punt returner. He didn't say for now, but back yesterday
at the start of practice, at very beginning, Horton and
Shaheed were back returning punts too, So that's another element
they're going to use him.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Well, I think it's interesting that every single snap I'm
going to state the obvious, but let's try and get
a little bit granule on it. Every single snap she
Heed takes is taking a snap from somebody? And is
it taking it from Cooper Cup? Okay? The Seahawks have
been high in their use of twenty one and eleven personnel,
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well or seeing me, twenty one and twelve personnel. Eleven personnel,
which is the most common in the league. That's one
wide receiver, one tight end and three wide receivers. If
they do more of that now, to have three receivers
on the field, be it if you if you say okay,
js N obviously, and then you you say Resid Shaheed, Okay, well,
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who's the third guy? Is it? Is it gonna be Cup?
Is it gonna be Horton? Somebody's gonna lose reps. And
then if you say, if we're playing more eleven personnel,
because Clint Kubiak in all of his stops has been
relatively low on that. Well, then then the twelve personnel
is it a J Barner gonna lose reps?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
UH, is Arroyo who you spent a lot to get,
you know, you want to keep developing him, He's gonna
lose reps. Robbie uts you play less twenty one personnel
because you need to have three receivers on. You're that
he's losing rep every single time he's on the field.
Somebody just lost a rep. And how to figure out
what's the what's the best uh, you know in in
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you know, right in the moment in that drive and
then in a broad sense of of of what's our
overall UH game plan for that week or or or
just a general as he said, modus them OPERENDI.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
My sense is they're going to go less two back
and they're going to go fewer times in multiple tight ends.
That's that seems to be what it is so far.
You don't want to get alia ed a Cooper Cup
in the after eight games into a season and say, well,
you're now at number three and you're going to see
the field forty eight percent of the time, So we'll
see how it plays out. If you could stand the
Robbie uts and perhaps Arroyo would lose time because you're right,
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Barner is balking in catching the bolot.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Right, It'll be ten personnel. Sorry, sorry, you know which
is no tridea and four wide receiver. Sorry, So no worries.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Greg Bell Hugh millin our twelve man round table. Obviously
a lot to talk about with NFL trading deadline, and
we still have to preview the Seahawks game with the Cardinals,
maybe even talk a little bit about that impressive performance
over the Commanders.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
So a lot yet to do.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
We'll get to it next on Sports Radio ninety three
point three KJRFM. The Seahawks coming off quite an impressive
victory against the Washington Commanders on Sunday, got people across
the country calling them the team in the National Football
League for goodness sake, And now they get ready to
take on the Arizona Cardinals on Sunday. Who will be
starting Jacobi Prissett and not Kyler Murray in this game?
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I mean, Hugh, that's not like going from stovetop stuffing
to mashed potatoes. That's like going from stovetop stuffing to
like gummy worms.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I mean, that's a big change in terms of your
preparation for that quarterback. Yeah, it really is. And I
think this is an interesting matchup. I always consider are
are there some clear psychological discrepancies either favorably or unfavorably
going in. I think this is going to be a
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matchup a little bit in terms of of who can
handle success and prosperity. Because while the Seahawks had their
overwhelming Sunday night game and everybody's throwing flowers at them,
as you point out nationally and otherwise locally, same thing
with the Cardinals. They had a incredible performance on Monday Night,
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just dismantling the Cowboys where the Cowboys are normally at
least not the defense, but Dak Prescott, you know, he
he he plays like Auto Graham in that stadium, and
and and and so the Cardinals went in and and
and and and so now they they they're trying to
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battle that success and what everybody thinks of it. On
top of that, the the Joe Jacoby Brissett that could
really be galvanizing for them. Because it's my contention just
for you know, I could write reasons why. It's just
kind of more gut and observation. I think Kyler Murray
is the worst leader I've ever seen at the quarterback position,
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and over fifty years of watching football, I think he
he can't handle. Uh, he throw you know, he throws
players under the bus. He threw his coach under the bus.
I think his body language is among the worst I've
ever the worst i've ever seen. I think there's some
leadership problems. I'll tell you what. When you saw Trey McBride,
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the Cardinals great tight end, interviewed on Monday night after
that game, and he's and they were asked, you know,
Scott Van Pelt said, look, I'm not asking a load
of questions, just what does Jacoby Brissette bring to you? Well,
the response that Trey McBride had where he was raving
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about Jacoby Brissett, there's messages and he's talking about how
he works and he watches tape. Well, every quarterback should
work and watch tape. Well that's been an issue for
Kylerie Murray. And I look, I don't come on the
station and I wouldn't mention missus Millan, my wife Michelle,
but maybe once a decade on this show. But she
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was watching that and she become quite a football mom
and a football wife. She goes, Kyler Murray's done. She
read right into everything Trey McBride was saying nice about
Jacoby Brissett, and she saw it as that is a
big time slam on Kyler Murray. I read it as well.
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I think that they're going to be really excited about him.
Now I've chewed up my time, so I can't tell
you what he offers as a quarterback unless we revert
the conversation. But I think Greg, that's a big factor
in this game is how excited are the Cardinals based
on beating the Cowboys and now the idea that the
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Jacoby Brisset, who in all likelihood is more respected and
probably more like That's my theory. Can't prove it, but
how does that team enter into this stadium on a
high and ready to play their very, very best football?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah? How are the Cardinals feeling about it?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Having a two hundred and thirty million dollar contact through
twenty twenty eight with Kyler Murray? Right, that's what they've
got and there's some guarantee money they can't get out
of before that but yeah, they it was telling that
Jonathan Gannon came out pretty early in the week, like
as soon as they touched down in Phoenix from the
win in Dallas, and said Brissett's our guy this week.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
And then further they well, actually Murray's going to be
out a few more weeks.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
And yeah, I'm reading the same thing from Afar that
Hugh is about the Cardinals quarterback situation. Brissett has come
in here before with the New England Patriots and a
couple other teams that he's played for. The Colts started
a Sunday night game against Seattle at Luminfield as a
backup quarterback. And we have seen backup quarterbacks for Chase Daniel.
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You named some journeyman quarterbacks who have come into Seattle
and won in the last half decade. So this, as
I've said many times, to see not good enough to
say this is just a walkover. I will say this
letter Williams, the Marcus Lawrence Jared Reed Byron Murphy would
much rather face Jacobe Brissett than Kyler Murray. De Marcus
Lawrence injured his quad chasing down Kyler Murray in the
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desert in September and missed two games. Brissett is a
pocket passer. Murray is a wildcard that runs all over
the place, sometimes to the detriment of his team and
lack of structure. Brissett is a structured quarterback and he
will stay in the pocket, which makes him more of
an upfield rush target for Lawrence and Leonard Williams and
the guys up front for Seattle. I think it plays
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into the strength of the Seahawks that they don't have
to blitz as much if Brissett as the quarterback because
he's in the pocket, and Seattle's front four has proven
to have so much success the first half of the
season rushing just four, I think this becomes a coverage
game for Seattle more than the Washington game was, when
they blitzed a lot more. They were blitzing Witherspoon. They
were blitzed against Washington McDonald's blitzing Witherspoon, Tylecotta at safety.
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They were doing nickel blitzers with even worry. It was
back to what they were planning to do at the
beginning of the season that they had all their guys
back again. I don't think this is the same game
with Brissett the quarterback. I am interested you. I would
see my time to you about what you see as
Brissett as a quarterback and is really is about its
fourth iteration of starting against the Seahawks over his career
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and what you see as the threat vis a v.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Kyler Murray.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Well, I think that, I mean, you nailed it pretty good.
I mean he's a big pocket passer, six foot four.
He will stand in there. You know, he's thick, so
I think he handles the rush in his face more.
Now teams when they when they defend Kyler Murray, you
have to be more cautious as you approach. You have to,
as the Seahawks said four as one you got an
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almost kind of two gap in your approach. And as such,
Kyler Murray was only hit twenty five times in all
of his starts. Jacoby Burssett, in far less time, has
been hit thirty four times. Because I think you can
sell out to the quarterback if you're on the backside
of him. He's a right and a quarterback. If you
want to take the loop into the B gap. Kyler
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Murray would say if he feeled that like I felt
that he would, he would escape out the left hatch
and he would get twenty seven yards on you, right.
But Burssett, you can momentarily say, hey, I'll be I'll
be unsound, I'll spin back into the B gap because
he's not as as uh as mobile now uh he
You know, I watched a fair amount of tape on Brissett,
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just u uh watching him throw those deep in routes
where he just stands in there, stands tall and and
throws anticipated what he will. I don't think he goes
through his progressions at at a at ann elite level
the way Sam Darnold does. He's more likely to lock
on his guy on his primary and then just say
let me give a chance. But he's got the arm
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to rip it in. Now you think he's you know,
he better over the middle, but actually his comparative advantage
over Kyler Murray has been to the outside. He's and
and throwing deep comebacks and out routes. You know he
did you know the proverbial what's the test of an
arm strength? You know the deep out Well, he's throwing
those and Marvin Harrison seven catches ninety six yards against
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the Cowboys. He had his best game, So that that's
another factor but but yeah, I think the the mobility piece,
you know, the aspects of Murray that we all know.
And then now Brissett as a big, tall, great arm,
you know, you know, he spins the ball great. But
I think the opportunities to put the pressure on you know,
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rush yards Kyler. Murray as one hundred and seventy three
on his six average, Brissett just fifty one on a
three point four scrambles. On starts and completed games, Murray
had fifteen for one hundred and thirty yards, Brisset six
for forty yards. So yeah, the mobility piece, it shows
up on the stats, it shows up on the tape,
and I think, seeow's got a great chance of getting
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after this guy. I looked at his his career. What's
his career record. I mean, he's twenty and thirty six.
If you're talking about we can't sit here and say
that the Seahawks have been called the number one team
in the NFL by some some reporters and analysts. And
then now with all of this, you know, relative health,
(27:58):
everybody feeling good, but you can't let a twenty and
thirty six quarterback come in and beat you. Period. Yeah, yeah,
here John will be in a contender.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
John Wolford, Chase Daniel.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah right, I know, but it's got this appeared in
the drop. This has to stop right now.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, here Melling, Greg Bell with us. It's our twelve
man round table every Thursday. Right here on Chuck and Buck.
We have one more segment. Hu's final thoughts, Greg's keys,
Bucky Score. Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RF.
M All right, final segment of the twelve man round Table.
(28:42):
You Millan, this here, Greg Bell is here, Bucky Jacobson
is here as well. Bucky get us started this segment
of Cardinals versus Seahawks this Sunday.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
What kind of game you expecting?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I'm expecting another hard fought division matchup. It doesn't really
matter if if one team's flying high in the other
kind of figure and trying to is somewhat rudderless. I
still feel like these teams play each other tough. I
think I think Seattle's just too good. I think that
they will find a way to win this as long
as they don't shoot themselves in the foot with something
(29:13):
stupid late. I'm going to go ahead and say I
think the Seahawks win twenty three to seventeen.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Twenty three seventeen. I have a feeling.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Greg Bell also thinks that, well, somehow, some way against
the Arizona Cardinals end up close, Greg, what do you
got keys of the game? Kind of result we're going
to be staring at Sunday.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Actually, I don't think it's going to be close.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I think that Brissett, as I mentioned, plays into the
strength of the Seahawks defense this year, which is their
front four pressure and allowing seven to cover. And now
that Witherspoon and even Worry are both playing, Josh Jo
won't play. It looks like with the concussion still, which
means Greek Woland will be the third corner. But I
think that they are going to be playing into the
strength of the Seahawks defense. With Brissette out of the pocket,
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there's no running game at all for Arizona. You mentioned
one hundred and seventy three yards that Kyler Murray has
rushing that leads the team through nine games. They have
a leading rusher of one hundred and seventy three yards.
That's not even twenty yards a game. So they are
not running the ball at all. I don't care what
their stats say that they're twentieth in the NFL and
rushing per game. They're not running the ball because the
only time they did run the ball was with their
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starting quarterback running playground plays. That also plays into what
Mike McDonald wants to do with blitzing and tricks and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
I think this is a boat race.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
I think the same I thought the same thing for
kickoff in Washington. The Seahawks are in the boat race
mode of their season. That boat race mode is going
to end after Sunday when they go down to Englewood
next week. But I think it's going to be twenty
four to six with the Cardinals not even scoring an
offensive touchdown.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Wow, look at that. Look at that Greg belt turn
over a new leaf.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
I've not done that many my twenty plus years are
covering this team.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I rarely call the Seahawks winning boat races. But I
just a team that can't run with a static quarterback
is playing in the.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
McDonald's When you have you're usually right.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I can't you acknowledge that that happened in twenty years?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
All right, Hugh, where do we close out this show?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
What area you taking us too?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Well?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You know, Greg just asked me we were talking during
the break, and he asked me a question. He said,
what impresses me most about Sam Donald? And you know,
I thought, I'm always so granular down in the trees,
and so that forced me to kind of take the
helicopter and and you know, get up at ten twenty
thousand feet to kind of look down and and my
(31:30):
summary would be, because you're going to see a similar
type of quarterback in Jacoby Brissett, bounced around, you know,
similar in stature, similar in athleticisms, uh and what have you.
What what distinguishes Sam Donald from Jacoby Brissett. My answer
would be that the top of the pyramid, if you
think of like a wooden pyramid, the top of quarterbacking,
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in my opinion, is you got to throw it to
the right guy at the right time, accurately. And I
think that Sam Donald is doing that and what's helping
him because throwing with anticipation is the hardest thing to do.
To see the movie before it plays, he is manipulating
with his eyes. A lot of times you think he's
going through his progression. He's just intensely moving defenders into
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windows and then smoking the ball into those windows. He's
throwing it with accuracy. And then and then the final
thing that I mentioned. I've only seen three quarterbacks materially
change their mechanics at the professional level. Aaron Rodgers is one.
He used to hold the ball up by his ear
at Cali, dropped it down to a more comfortable level
at the professional level. Josh Allen used to have a
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higher elbow and his shoulders were more cocked on a
vertical angle. He wants to have his shoulders more level, play,
elbow a little bit lower. He's talked about that. You
can see it on the tape. And then Sara Donald
would be the third. When when he was at USC,
watched him a lot. I know from my eye I
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could not stand his release. It was like watching Jim
Furix golf swing. Now, Jim Fiurick is like a top
five in the history of golf winning. He's won a
major in terms of earnings and what have you. So
Jim Fierick could play. But raise your hand if you
think Jim fierix golf swing looks looks smooth or sweet,
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that's the same thing Donald was at USC. For me,
he brought the ball way down to his thigh path,
This big, gross, loopy release. I know he does not
have that. Now he has a quick release, and he
has an ability you know, Bucky, as you know, pitchers
want to get that right soulder as a right hander
over their left foot, you know, as a quarterback, that's
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generally what you'd want to do if you can. He has,
he Donald has. I'm just watching the end zone copy.
He can stop his shoulder halfway through and kind of
slingslot the rest with and flick that thing. He can
generate velocity. There's an arm talent there that I think
his mechanics have improved a lot. I'm seeing this arm
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talent that that he's using at the right time to
get the ball into intermediate winnows. Now, you can't throw
that way and throw fifty sixty yards, but on a
little sixteen yard curl, you can snap it like that.
So he has as a twenty year old draft in
New York, yet he has now as a twenty eight
year old, He's learned a lot about the quarterbacking position, mechanically,
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the processing, the use of his eyes. As I said,
and so we're getting the best Sam Darnold, and I'm
with Gray. He is gonna bootstop this other journeyman in
Jacoby Brissette. Enough of losing it home.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Awesome stuff, gentlemen, Thank you very much, We appreciate it.
We'll talk to you both tomorrow. Okay, all right, there
they are our QB ONEH. Mellan will be with us
for x's and o's tomorrow at nine o'clock. Also our
Seahawks insider Greg Bell, you can follow at the Newstribune
dot com all the Seahawk coverage and of course on
Twitter at g Bell Seattle. And he'll be with us
(35:02):
tomorrow at seven five as we give you last minute
analysis of Seahawks versus Cardinals. Not really last minute, but
the last chance we get to talk about it tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
All right.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Coming up next on our radio program, it is something
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Friday o'clock hour Here on a Thursday, Ashley Ryan Bucky
Jacobson is back with calloused hands after rescuing his family
from a fallen tree yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Lumberbuck is here to talk sports.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
After acting like a manly man, yeah for twenty four hours, well.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Very manly for about eight hours, and then felt very
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Just got to get back into the habit of doing
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Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, Chuck Powell here and of course every Thursday at
this time on twelfth Man Roundtable where we talked from
Seahawks football with our Seahawks experts, our Seahawks insider Greg Bell,
and also our QB one top analyst around these yere parts.
You Millan is with us here on Chuck and Buck
in the mornings.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Good morning man, Good morning.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
All right.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, we've got news to discuss, and that is an
NFL trading deadline that brought the Seattle Seahawks one Rashid
Shahed this week. And so Greg, I'll just ask you
first how all this came together and why Rashid Shaheed
is a Seattle Seahawk today.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Well, the Saints are one and eight, that's the first thing.
And the teams that are one and eight with expiring
contracts want to get draft picks before they lose them
for next to nothing. And Rashid Shaheed has an expiring
contract at the end of the season. He's an All
Pro from twenty twenty three with kick returns and wide
receivers only seventy catch season, but he had a great
(01:56):
kick return season as well.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
He's going to do both of those things for Seattle
as well. So they did it because they think that
they are.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
On the cusp with something offensively, and we've talked about
how this is not how they were designed to run.
They were supposed to run the ball out more effectively,
but they're still running in enough that teams are stacked
in the box against him. They faced more stack boxes,
meaning eight or more in the box near the line
of scrimmage and any team in the NFL. So even
with Smith and Jigba leading the NFL in yards or
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twenty yard plus catches with eleven, they're still seeing stack boxes.
So now they're going to get a true blow the
top off the defense. Guy that runs down the field
his average targets yards to target is seventeen point six
this season. That's two yards more than Smith' and Jigba.
So they're going to send him over the top of
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these defenses that have been packed in the line of
scrimmage with the hopes of eventually the single high safety
coverage becomes too high safety, meaning Molly pull one of
those guys out of the box to make it easier
to run, to have those run lanes less clocked. That's
a very simplistic answer to why Shaheed is here, and
it's going to be interesting to see if defenses actually
(03:08):
do this. Mike McDonald, defensive mind yesterday said, Wow, it's
not quite that simple that if you add a deep
guy that the defense is going to change. The defense
is what it is, and they did the best ones
do what they do. As he said, he'd throw their fastball.
So the best teams they're gonna have to play. The
Rams and the forty nine ers the rest of the
way aren't suddenly going to junk their defensive schemes because
they have Shaheed.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
But it's it's some.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Of the other teams that they're playing in the meantime
that will change.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
If they're going to start sending twenty.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Five thirty forty yard routes to a guy who runs
twenty two miles an hour down the field. That's the thinking.
And oh, by the way, I've done a lot of
these now for twenty plus years. I can't remember a
guy who showed up in three hours after he first
stepped in the building says this is my long term home.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
He hadn't even taken a practice yet, and he said,
we're going to figure out the contract.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I'm going to resign here and this is my long term.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
It is a beautiful facility. I'll give him that very well.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
A blowy rady forty yeah, yeah, day.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
All right here, what do we got in Rashicha? What
are you seeing on film? Well, first of all, I
agree with most of what Greg said, But Greg, you
know the part about acquiring him to loosen up the
heavy boxes. First of all, Mike McDonald was asking, Hey,
are you trying to change how defenses play you by
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stretching the field with speaking Yeah. And and this is
Mike McDonald's quote. I don't think we're trying to dictate
structures or anything. It's as simple as this guy can
really help us, and then he went on to say,
we got assimilate him right. Then he was asked another
question similar to that. Uh, and it's you guys have
(04:57):
faced maybe the highest percent of loaded boxes can receed
with his deep threat ability. Change that and right and
so and this is available. You can just go on
s X dot com and watch. This is for anybody.
If my interpretation is misguided, he says. McDonald says, well, uh,
(05:19):
I mean, and he's kind of like looking for and
then he says yes. But he then says, immediately, I
think different teams operate under different modes of operation and philosophies.
And then he went on to say, you know, some
teams are too high structures and then they mix it
up with single high and vice versa. And he sums
(05:42):
it up and he says, I guess what I'm saying
is I think it's a week to week thing, meaning
based on the opponent. So that's point number one, point
number two. As far as the running game, now, look,
there's different ways to First of all, if a heavy
box is an eight man front, well, if you're running
more twelve and twenty one personnel than other people, you're
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gonna see more of that, I prefer to think of
it as a heavy or a light box, because sometimes
a seven man front can be a heavy box based
on your formation. And so when you go middle of
field closed, that's that that would be the heavy box.
The numbers are the yards per rush for the Seahawks.
They're four point three against close. Now this is from
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the NFL staff portal on middlefold field open the splits
safety defenses, their yards per rush is three point two
less than a yard or more than a yard less.
The rush success against the single safety forty. Rush success
drops to thirty three point seven percent. So you've got that.
(06:50):
And then the final I'm gonna go to Pete Carroll
after the twenty twenty season, when asked about uh, he says,
we have to run the ball better. Uh, not even better,
we have to run it more. He says, we have
to dictate what's going on with people and what they're playing. Frankly,
I'd like not to play against too hot, too deep,
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two two deep looks all season long next year. So
here was Pete Carroll saying saying, I don't want to
have I want to invite a heavy box. And because
he thought that, it opened up with the passing game,
So I would say, caution what it does and unintended
consequences having having heavy boxes that allow Sam donald to
(07:39):
throw and get more one on ones on the outside
and what have you. That's the strength of the football team.
So so I think, uh, there's a lot too. I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I don't get any sense. Maybe others did. I didn't
get any sense from Mike McDonald that that's the reason
why they acquired him. He said, he said, quote, this
is as simple as as a guy can really help
us now to answer chuch question real quick. The guys
five times ten and a half with thirty one inch
arms and one eighty five that would scream to me
slot receiver if that's all I knew about it. But
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this year he's been in the slot forty two percent
of the time, and last year with Clint Kobiak, because
a Saint he was, he was in the slot twenty
five percent of the time. And his receptions are are
pretty paralleling those those numbers. Uh, this is a guy
that that has has really good speed and quickness you
(08:32):
would expect at that at size they had to play
with the Saints. They lined him up at tailback and
just tossed him the ball as if he was Alvin Kamara.
On a second and three he got four yr. You
don't do that unless you have a high ability about
AA guys running ability and be his toughness. As far
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as you know, I just think that what I see
on tape, I think I think he does most every
thing really well. I don't think he does anything great.
You know, his best attribute is his long speed. I
saw an eighty seven yard on a high corner route.
His ball tracking in hands are okay, run after the
cats decent. And I'll close with this against I filtered
(09:18):
all number two receivers in the NFL based on targets,
and he's he was the number two at Saints. The
yards per game at fifty five, that's the ninth best.
His snaps his fifth, he was fifth. Receptions game, he
was third four point eight nine. Now EPA expected points
(09:39):
that that falls down to twenty five, but that there's
a quarterback component to that. In first downs he's six.
So I think I think that he kind of slots
as a middle of the road number two. And if
you get that the depth and all the things and
add a little bit of speed, concerns about Cooper Cup.
Sorry that's a long answer, but I think it's quite
(10:01):
a topic today, what's going on with Rashid Shaheed? And
I got more on my notes. Yeah, Greg, what is
the plan for the usage of him?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I mean, because if I'm to read based off of
Hughes comments and just what I've seen from the New
Orleans Saints the last couple of years, I think previously
he was just a deep threat and then maybe this
year playing slot a little bit more based on the percentages,
they wanted to get the ball in his hands more
and it's led to fewer yards per catch by a
(10:30):
long margin. So I mean Clint Kubiak was using him
as in a different way than what Kellen Moore has
been using him this year. So what would the plan
be for the Seahawks and how they're going to use him?
As far as you can tell, you've only been around
this project for forty eight hours here.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Yeah, I haven't seen him even run down the field
yeah practice yet, but I will tell you the idea
is that he's the deeper guy that Smith and Jigba
who's getting about fifteen yards per target, and this guy
Shaheed getting seventeen plus yards of target that they're gonna
go with him as the deeper guy. That eighty seven
yard touchdown against the Giants that you mentioned, he ran
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twenty one point seven miles an hour as the fast
of week five. He's got two of the ten fastest
time measured runs with the ball in his hands this season.
So that's not what cup is. Cup is six point
six average yards to target and Tory Horton actually leads
its team right now with just over fifteen yards per target.
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And we have talked on this show that Hugh Millan
has mentioned a couple of times how Tory Horton has
been running free at times and they've not thrown Darnold
has not thrown to him and thrown to Smith and
Jigbit instead. So they have a intermediate guy. Intermediate in
the sense of where his routes go now yards after
catch for Smith and jig but turns into twenty plus
and he leaves the NFL in those catches eleven of them.
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But I think the patterns are going to be deeper
because he's faster Shahi, so they're going to run twenty
plus routes rather than catch and run plus gains that
they've had with Smith and Jigba. The idea would be,
if you have him Shaheed running the deeper routes, there
should be even more intermediate space, especially against zone coverage
for Smith and Jigbu. Where Cup figures into all of
(12:13):
this is interesting. The timing of this trade is when
Cup has two leg injuries, one of which kept him
out of the game last week, and it was a
reminder when he was in It was a reminder when
he pulled up lame in practice on Thursday with a
hamstring issue on top of his heel issue. Why the
Rams gave up on him at age thirty two? Right,
he wouldn't even be a Seahawk if he hadn't had
three years of injuries in LA that made him give
(12:35):
up on their ninety million dollars contract they gave him.
So is this a sign that they think Cooper Cup
is breaking down halfway into his first season of a
three year contract.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
If they re signed Shaheed, that would suggest that, wouldn't
it be?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Because Shaheed is six years younger, well five, He just
turned twenty seven, and he's infinitely faster, and he doesn't
have the injuries, although he did have a knee injury,
and he missed the last ten games of the Saints
last season last year. The Cup situation is interesting because
if he does come back healthy, and he was not
practicing yesterday, they had a very light walkthrough. If he
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comes back, where does he fit? Is he hath number three,
a former Super Bowl MVP and Offensive Player of the Year.
Is he a number three behind an undrafted a guy
who just three years ago is undrafted out of over
division Weaver State, which is what Shaheat is. Cup has
been a team first guy from the start, but I
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could see how he might not go for that.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
So there's a dynamic there that they're going to have
to massage.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
If in fact this Shaheed is the number two receiver,
He's going to be number two as long as Cup
is hurt.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Help. Yeah, I think that there's some concerns about Cooper Cup.
And I'm somewhat influenced by my experience with the thirty
third team that think Tank and a guy named Mike
getting Zuan's pro scout. It's literally a sixty year scouting business.
Then they've got a lot of databases to compare in
(14:02):
an actual areial sense in and his number one advice
he doesn't do blogs and website for fans. He's hired
as consultants to NFL teams and has they have been
for sixty years. And he said the number one mistake
that teams make is high is bringing on older and
previously broke down players. And so the exact guy that
(14:25):
he would caution against was Cooper Cup Unfortunately, so I
don't know how this is going to play out. Greg's
exactly right in terms of the use if you if
you have let's say, let's let's look for this. Let's
say you have Jackson Smith and Jigba on a deep
crossing route and over Some people call it an over out,
so call it a race. What call it what you want.
(14:46):
But then you've got to clear out that area with
speed on a post route or perhaps a go depending
on the structure and the formation and the hats and
all that. But having a fast guy that makes the
defense turn just a little bit faster, get out of
their back pedal and say, oh crap, I got heat
(15:07):
coming on me. When when a quarterback sees that, when
he goes play action and he turns his back, you
don't want to see that deep layer kind of middling
in in that middle ground. You want to see that
deep lay. You want to see that deep layer of
the defense. They've turned their hips, they're running backwards, they're
not in their back pedal anymore, and you say, okay,
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there's no threat of them climbing top down on my
intermediate cut to Jackson Smith and Jigban and then you
let it rip. Now, Sam Donald's been really good at it.
The idea that he could even be better with the
vertical stretch is something clear. That is one of the
boxes that the Seahawks think that he's checking a.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Little bit of housekeeping. Chuck Donald said yes. Said when
I asked him is he going to play? Is he's
spun up enough that he's going to be able to
play on Sunday, he said, I sure hope so, and
even laughter that took that as an absolute yes because
he knows Kubiak. And also we asked him, what's he
going to be in the kick game? He did more
punt return earlier in his career than kickoff return, and
lately he's done kickoff return for the Saints too, And
(16:09):
he said he's going to be involved in our return game.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Sha.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
But he also said Tory Horton is still our primary
punt returner. He didn't say for now, but back yesterday
at the start of practice, at very beginning, Horton and
Shaheed were back returning punts too, So that's another element
they're going to use him.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Well, I think it's interesting that every single snap I'm
going to state the obvious, but let's try and get
a little bit granule on it. Every single snap she
Heed takes is taking a snap from somebody? And is
it taking it from Cooper Cup? Okay? The Seahawks have
been high in their use of twenty one and eleven personnel,
(16:46):
well or seeing me, twenty one and twelve personnel. Eleven personnel,
which is the most common in the league. That's one
wide receiver, one tight end and three wide receivers. If
they do more of that now, to have three receivers
on the field, be it if you if you say okay,
js N obviously, and then you you say Resid Shaheed, Okay, well,
(17:08):
who's the third guy? Is it? Is it gonna be Cup?
Is it gonna be Horton? Somebody's gonna lose reps. And
then if you say, if we're playing more eleven personnel,
because Clint Kubiak in all of his stops has been
relatively low on that. Well, then then the twelve personnel
is it a J Barner gonna lose reps?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
UH, is Arroyo who you spent a lot to get,
you know, you want to keep developing him, He's gonna
lose reps. Robbie uts you play less twenty one personnel
because you need to have three receivers on. You're that
he's losing rep every single time he's on the field.
Somebody just lost a rep. And how to figure out
what's the what's the best uh, you know in in
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you know, right in the moment in that drive and
then in a broad sense of of of what's our
overall UH game plan for that week or or or
just a general as he said, modus them OPERENDI.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
My sense is they're going to go less two back
and they're going to go fewer times in multiple tight ends.
That's that seems to be what it is so far.
You don't want to get alia ed a Cooper Cup
in the after eight games into a season and say, well,
you're now at number three and you're going to see
the field forty eight percent of the time, So we'll
see how it plays out. If you could stand the
Robbie uts and perhaps Arroyo would lose time because you're right,
(18:25):
Barner is balking in catching the bolot.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Right, It'll be ten personnel. Sorry, sorry, you know which
is no tridea and four wide receiver. Sorry, So no worries.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Greg Bell Hugh millin our twelve man round table. Obviously
a lot to talk about with NFL trading deadline, and
we still have to preview the Seahawks game with the Cardinals,
maybe even talk a little bit about that impressive performance
over the Commanders.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
So a lot yet to do.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
We'll get to it next on Sports Radio ninety three
point three KJRFM. The Seahawks coming off quite an impressive
victory against the Washington Commanders on Sunday, got people across
the country calling them the team in the National Football
League for goodness sake, And now they get ready to
take on the Arizona Cardinals on Sunday. Who will be
starting Jacobi Prissett and not Kyler Murray in this game?
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I mean, Hugh, that's not like going from stovetop stuffing
to mashed potatoes. That's like going from stovetop stuffing to
like gummy worms.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I mean, that's a big change in terms of your
preparation for that quarterback. Yeah, it really is. And I
think this is an interesting matchup. I always consider are
are there some clear psychological discrepancies either favorably or unfavorably
going in. I think this is going to be a
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matchup a little bit in terms of of who can
handle success and prosperity. Because while the Seahawks had their
overwhelming Sunday night game and everybody's throwing flowers at them,
as you point out nationally and otherwise locally, same thing
with the Cardinals. They had a incredible performance on Monday Night,
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just dismantling the Cowboys where the Cowboys are normally at
least not the defense, but Dak Prescott, you know, he
he he plays like Auto Graham in that stadium, and
and and and so the Cardinals went in and and
and and and so now they they they're trying to
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battle that success and what everybody thinks of it. On
top of that, the the Joe Jacoby Brissett that could
really be galvanizing for them. Because it's my contention just
for you know, I could write reasons why. It's just
kind of more gut and observation. I think Kyler Murray
is the worst leader I've ever seen at the quarterback position,
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and over fifty years of watching football, I think he
he can't handle. Uh, he throw you know, he throws
players under the bus. He threw his coach under the bus.
I think his body language is among the worst I've
ever the worst i've ever seen. I think there's some
leadership problems. I'll tell you what. When you saw Trey McBride,
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the Cardinals great tight end, interviewed on Monday night after
that game, and he's and they were asked, you know,
Scott Van Pelt said, look, I'm not asking a load
of questions, just what does Jacoby Brissette bring to you? Well,
the response that Trey McBride had where he was raving
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about Jacoby Brissett, there's messages and he's talking about how
he works and he watches tape. Well, every quarterback should
work and watch tape. Well that's been an issue for
Kylerie Murray. And I look, I don't come on the
station and I wouldn't mention missus Millan, my wife Michelle,
but maybe once a decade on this show. But she
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was watching that and she become quite a football mom
and a football wife. She goes, Kyler Murray's done. She
read right into everything Trey McBride was saying nice about
Jacoby Brissett, and she saw it as that is a
big time slam on Kyler Murray. I read it as well.
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I think that they're going to be really excited about him.
Now I've chewed up my time, so I can't tell
you what he offers as a quarterback unless we revert
the conversation. But I think Greg, that's a big factor
in this game is how excited are the Cardinals based
on beating the Cowboys and now the idea that the
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Jacoby Brisset, who in all likelihood is more respected and
probably more like That's my theory. Can't prove it, but
how does that team enter into this stadium on a
high and ready to play their very, very best football?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah? How are the Cardinals feeling about it?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Having a two hundred and thirty million dollar contact through
twenty twenty eight with Kyler Murray? Right, that's what they've
got and there's some guarantee money they can't get out
of before that but yeah, they it was telling that
Jonathan Gannon came out pretty early in the week, like
as soon as they touched down in Phoenix from the
win in Dallas, and said Brissett's our guy this week.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
And then further they well, actually Murray's going to be
out a few more weeks.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
And yeah, I'm reading the same thing from Afar that
Hugh is about the Cardinals quarterback situation. Brissett has come
in here before with the New England Patriots and a
couple other teams that he's played for. The Colts started
a Sunday night game against Seattle at Luminfield as a
backup quarterback. And we have seen backup quarterbacks for Chase Daniel.
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You named some journeyman quarterbacks who have come into Seattle
and won in the last half decade. So this, as
I've said many times, to see not good enough to
say this is just a walkover. I will say this
letter Williams, the Marcus Lawrence Jared Reed Byron Murphy would
much rather face Jacobe Brissett than Kyler Murray. De Marcus
Lawrence injured his quad chasing down Kyler Murray in the
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desert in September and missed two games. Brissett is a
pocket passer. Murray is a wildcard that runs all over
the place, sometimes to the detriment of his team and
lack of structure. Brissett is a structured quarterback and he
will stay in the pocket, which makes him more of
an upfield rush target for Lawrence and Leonard Williams and
the guys up front for Seattle. I think it plays
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into the strength of the Seahawks that they don't have
to blitz as much if Brissett as the quarterback because
he's in the pocket, and Seattle's front four has proven
to have so much success the first half of the
season rushing just four, I think this becomes a coverage
game for Seattle more than the Washington game was, when
they blitzed a lot more. They were blitzing Witherspoon. They
were blitzed against Washington McDonald's blitzing Witherspoon, Tylecotta at safety.
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They were doing nickel blitzers with even worry. It was
back to what they were planning to do at the
beginning of the season that they had all their guys
back again. I don't think this is the same game
with Brissett the quarterback. I am interested you. I would
see my time to you about what you see as
Brissett as a quarterback and is really is about its
fourth iteration of starting against the Seahawks over his career
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and what you see as the threat vis a v.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Kyler Murray.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Well, I think that, I mean, you nailed it pretty good.
I mean he's a big pocket passer, six foot four.
He will stand in there. You know, he's thick, so
I think he handles the rush in his face more.
Now teams when they when they defend Kyler Murray, you
have to be more cautious as you approach. You have to,
as the Seahawks said four as one you got an
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almost kind of two gap in your approach. And as such,
Kyler Murray was only hit twenty five times in all
of his starts. Jacoby Burssett, in far less time, has
been hit thirty four times. Because I think you can
sell out to the quarterback if you're on the backside
of him. He's a right and a quarterback. If you
want to take the loop into the B gap. Kyler
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Murray would say if he feeled that like I felt
that he would, he would escape out the left hatch
and he would get twenty seven yards on you, right.
But Burssett, you can momentarily say, hey, I'll be I'll
be unsound, I'll spin back into the B gap because
he's not as as uh as mobile now uh he
You know, I watched a fair amount of tape on Brissett,
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just u uh watching him throw those deep in routes
where he just stands in there, stands tall and and
throws anticipated what he will. I don't think he goes
through his progressions at at a at ann elite level
the way Sam Darnold does. He's more likely to lock
on his guy on his primary and then just say
let me give a chance. But he's got the arm
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to rip it in. Now you think he's you know,
he better over the middle, but actually his comparative advantage
over Kyler Murray has been to the outside. He's and
and throwing deep comebacks and out routes. You know he
did you know the proverbial what's the test of an
arm strength? You know the deep out Well, he's throwing
those and Marvin Harrison seven catches ninety six yards against
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the Cowboys. He had his best game, So that that's
another factor but but yeah, I think the the mobility piece,
you know, the aspects of Murray that we all know.
And then now Brissett as a big, tall, great arm,
you know, you know, he spins the ball great. But
I think the opportunities to put the pressure on you know,
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rush yards Kyler. Murray as one hundred and seventy three
on his six average, Brissett just fifty one on a
three point four scrambles. On starts and completed games, Murray
had fifteen for one hundred and thirty yards, Brisset six
for forty yards. So yeah, the mobility piece, it shows
up on the stats, it shows up on the tape,
and I think, seeow's got a great chance of getting
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after this guy. I looked at his his career. What's
his career record. I mean, he's twenty and thirty six.
If you're talking about we can't sit here and say
that the Seahawks have been called the number one team
in the NFL by some some reporters and analysts. And
then now with all of this, you know, relative health,
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everybody feeling good, but you can't let a twenty and
thirty six quarterback come in and beat you. Period. Yeah, yeah,
here John will be in a contender.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
John Wolford, Chase Daniel.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah right, I know, but it's got this appeared in
the drop. This has to stop right now.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, here Melling, Greg Bell with us. It's our twelve
man round table every Thursday. Right here on Chuck and Buck.
We have one more segment. Hu's final thoughts, Greg's keys,
Bucky Score. Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RF.
M All right, final segment of the twelve man round Table.
(28:42):
You Millan, this here, Greg Bell is here, Bucky Jacobson
is here as well. Bucky get us started this segment
of Cardinals versus Seahawks this Sunday.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
What kind of game you expecting?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I'm expecting another hard fought division matchup. It doesn't really
matter if if one team's flying high in the other
kind of figure and trying to is somewhat rudderless. I
still feel like these teams play each other tough. I
think I think Seattle's just too good. I think that
they will find a way to win this as long
as they don't shoot themselves in the foot with something
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stupid late. I'm going to go ahead and say I
think the Seahawks win twenty three to seventeen.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Twenty three seventeen. I have a feeling.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Greg Bell also thinks that, well, somehow, some way against
the Arizona Cardinals end up close, Greg, what do you
got keys of the game? Kind of result we're going
to be staring at Sunday.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Actually, I don't think it's going to be close.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I think that Brissett, as I mentioned, plays into the
strength of the Seahawks defense this year, which is their
front four pressure and allowing seven to cover. And now
that Witherspoon and even Worry are both playing, Josh Jo
won't play. It looks like with the concussion still, which
means Greek Woland will be the third corner. But I
think that they are going to be playing into the
strength of the Seahawks defense. With Brissette out of the pocket,
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there's no running game at all for Arizona. You mentioned
one hundred and seventy three yards that Kyler Murray has
rushing that leads the team through nine games. They have
a leading rusher of one hundred and seventy three yards.
That's not even twenty yards a game. So they are
not running the ball at all. I don't care what
their stats say that they're twentieth in the NFL and
rushing per game. They're not running the ball because the
only time they did run the ball was with their
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starting quarterback running playground plays. That also plays into what
Mike McDonald wants to do with blitzing and tricks and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
I think this is a boat race.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
I think the same I thought the same thing for
kickoff in Washington. The Seahawks are in the boat race
mode of their season. That boat race mode is going
to end after Sunday when they go down to Englewood
next week. But I think it's going to be twenty
four to six with the Cardinals not even scoring an
offensive touchdown.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Wow, look at that. Look at that Greg belt turn
over a new leaf.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
I've not done that many my twenty plus years are
covering this team.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I rarely call the Seahawks winning boat races. But I
just a team that can't run with a static quarterback
is playing in the.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
McDonald's When you have you're usually right.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I can't you acknowledge that that happened in twenty years?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
All right, Hugh, where do we close out this show?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
What area you taking us too?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Well?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
You know, Greg just asked me we were talking during
the break, and he asked me a question. He said,
what impresses me most about Sam Donald? And you know,
I thought, I'm always so granular down in the trees,
and so that forced me to kind of take the
helicopter and and you know, get up at ten twenty
thousand feet to kind of look down and and my
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summary would be, because you're going to see a similar
type of quarterback in Jacoby Brissett, bounced around, you know,
similar in stature, similar in athleticisms, uh and what have you.
What what distinguishes Sam Donald from Jacoby Brissett. My answer
would be that the top of the pyramid, if you
think of like a wooden pyramid, the top of quarterbacking,
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in my opinion, is you got to throw it to
the right guy at the right time, accurately. And I
think that Sam Donald is doing that and what's helping
him because throwing with anticipation is the hardest thing to do.
To see the movie before it plays, he is manipulating
with his eyes. A lot of times you think he's
going through his progression. He's just intensely moving defenders into
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windows and then smoking the ball into those windows. He's
throwing it with accuracy. And then and then the final
thing that I mentioned. I've only seen three quarterbacks materially
change their mechanics at the professional level. Aaron Rodgers is one.
He used to hold the ball up by his ear
at Cali, dropped it down to a more comfortable level
at the professional level. Josh Allen used to have a
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higher elbow and his shoulders were more cocked on a
vertical angle. He wants to have his shoulders more level, play,
elbow a little bit lower. He's talked about that. You
can see it on the tape. And then Sara Donald
would be the third. When when he was at USC,
watched him a lot. I know from my eye I
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could not stand his release. It was like watching Jim
Furix golf swing. Now, Jim Fiurick is like a top
five in the history of golf winning. He's won a
major in terms of earnings and what have you. So
Jim Fierick could play. But raise your hand if you
think Jim fierix golf swing looks looks smooth or sweet,
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that's the same thing Donald was at USC. For me,
he brought the ball way down to his thigh path,
This big, gross, loopy release. I know he does not
have that. Now he has a quick release, and he
has an ability you know, Bucky, as you know, pitchers
want to get that right soulder as a right hander
over their left foot, you know, as a quarterback, that's
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generally what you'd want to do if you can. He has,
he Donald has. I'm just watching the end zone copy.
He can stop his shoulder halfway through and kind of
slingslot the rest with and flick that thing. He can
generate velocity. There's an arm talent there that I think
his mechanics have improved a lot. I'm seeing this arm
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talent that that he's using at the right time to
get the ball into intermediate winnows. Now, you can't throw
that way and throw fifty sixty yards, but on a
little sixteen yard curl, you can snap it like that.
So he has as a twenty year old draft in
New York, yet he has now as a twenty eight
year old, He's learned a lot about the quarterbacking position, mechanically,
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the processing, the use of his eyes. As I said,
and so we're getting the best Sam Darnold, and I'm
with Gray. He is gonna bootstop this other journeyman in
Jacoby Brissette. Enough of losing it home.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Awesome stuff, gentlemen, Thank you very much, We appreciate it.
We'll talk to you both tomorrow. Okay, all right, there
they are our QB ONEH. Mellan will be with us
for x's and o's tomorrow at nine o'clock. Also our
Seahawks insider Greg Bell, you can follow at the Newstribune
dot com all the Seahawk coverage and of course on
Twitter at g Bell Seattle. And he'll be with us
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tomorrow at seven five as we give you last minute
analysis of Seahawks versus Cardinals. Not really last minute, but
the last chance we get to talk about it tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
All right.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Coming up next on our radio program, it is something
that people really thought they would never see come together.
Two titans of trivia meeting on common ground. One a
Jeopardy champion, the other a guy who actually has a
trivia game named after him. It's Bucky versus Levine. Next
(35:35):
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