December 1, 2025 • 41 mins
MMQB with MIKE HOLMGREN & HUGH MILLEN It was a defensive-heavy win for the Seahawks yesterday, what were Coach’s takeaways from the game? Do the Seahawks have a turnover issue? How can they fix that without losing their edge? Coach has had some experience with a QB who had some turnover issues early on in his career… :30- MMQB with Coach and hug continues and we discus the struggles with pass protection; should Coach MacDonald be concerned or did the Vikings just do a good job? How big of a problem is Anthony Bradford on the O-Line? The defense deserves some flowers! :45- We close out the Monday show with one last thing for Coach!
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(00:46):
Now the Monday morning Quarterback with Mike hom Grin and
Hugh Millin.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Here's Chuck and Buck.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Nine o'clock hour here on this Monday. That's right, Ashley, Ryan,
Bucky Jacobs a Chuck pal Back together here on this
Monday morning. And of course we've got our pillars of analysis.
Hugh Mellan's been with us since eight o'clock this morning
and joining us now in studio. Mike Holmgren is with
us as well. Good morning, Coach.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Good morning, good morning, good to see you.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
How is Thanksgiving? Did you carve the big Swedish meatball
for the family?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
No, you see, once again, you're confusing, Oh, Thanksgiving with Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Okay, he does confuse those. Well, he doesn't have a
bright there's no bright line. There's no bright line.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
The Christmas tree meatballs are Christmas meatballs and cold dumber,
a lot of Swedish things. Okay, all right, turkey, So
the turkey was good.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Turkey Closs told me that no.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
See it's not turkey class. See, Coach been uncoachable. Uncoachable
you know what. He leaves for a while and he
gets all messed up. We got to bring you back
into the fold.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I open our first Christmas present day and it was toughing.
So you're right, I am crossing streets.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Just so, just so you know, just so you know,
and you know, I know you take notes, and you're
you know all that take some notes. Thanksgiving was wonderful.
The next day, my bad foot and all. Kathy took
me over to our storage unit. I got all the trees,
all the things and we've put up the tree, and
(02:26):
the next day Friday, Okay, that's the timing.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, okay, right.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Day after Thanksgiving when you start getting ready, and then
Friday and Saturday then you start throwing the meatballs.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You start all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Okay, not before all right, but that's fallen on deaf
ears for the last what five years.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Trying to throwing the meatballs. Okay, got it, got it,
got it, got it last all right.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well, we've got a twenty nothing football game to just
dist to talk about Christmas.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You know, that was a game.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I'm watching that game and it's like it's it's hurting me.
It's hurting me to watch it.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But that's Mike McDonald's Christmas though. I mean, you tell
me a defensive minded head coach posting a shutout what
that does to a guy like Mike McDonald.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
You know he is he is, although as tough as
he is on himself, Uh, he's still gonna bang it
around a little bit. But a shutout, Yeah, that's that's unbelievable.
And he's a defensive guy, and it's he has to
feel good about that and where the team is right now.
You know, I always stayed away from looking ahead. But
(03:42):
I'm now I can look ahead, and I'm looking at
They've got Atlanta coming up, they got you know, Indianapolis,
I think coming up, yes, and that they're they're kind
of I don't know what's happening with them, but it
all boils down to this. Seems like the Rams game
on Thursday night, you know, and and it's kind of
that's kind of cool. The division is strong, the forty
(04:03):
nine ers are still in it. But yesterday, I don't
I don't know. I should listen to you. He broke
it down and knows all the stuff that's going on.
I just watched the game and then boy it was hard.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Well, Mike, we'd have to also mention Carolina after the
RAM game. That could be a track game, right, I
mean they just beat the Rams, you know, Between the
forty nine Er game and that RAM game on November eighteenth,
Carolina could be a challenge. But you mentioned obviously Mike
McDonald feeling really good. The whine or the vodka or
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whatever is his beverage on a Sunday night after the
game tastes a little better because his defense was so
essential to the win. What if you had been the
head coach last night, and you had coached what you
saw unbelievable performance by your defense against Ricky quarterback. But
then you saw what you saw, what you said, they
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made your eyes bleed. If you saw what you saw,
what would be your takeaway last night is you were
drinking the wine.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Well, I think, as Chuck pointed out, it's a shutout,
and you shut out anybody in this league, you should
That's okay. You can have the you can have a
glass of wine. Really, Having said that, however, that poor
young guy who played quarterback, they didn't have a chance.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
There was no chance.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
So the only way they were staying in the game,
they stayed in the game early because their defense. Actually
Minnesota put gave the Seahawks some problems early with their defense.
And then you know, I don't know I'm speculating here,
but I'm watching Jefferson, I'm watching some of these guys.
I'm watching their head coach on television as the game's progressing,
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and it was like they said they knew, they knew
they couldn't do anything, and that that if I was
the coach of the that would bother me, that would
really bother me. And and you know, but I think
I think early on it was you know, it was
a defensive game, was going to be a defensive game,
and then that crazy interception, and then then after that
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it was over.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Yeah, as difference between getting beaten and getting broken. And
it did look like I mean, justin Justin Jefferson looks broken,
just like man, I, yeah, understand me. So you're one
of the best receivers and you just can't get anything together,
and one of the better coaches out there and can't
get anything going right either. But I mean, I have
something I actually want to ask coach, and then Hugh,
you can chime into being a quarterback. A lot of
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concern about the turnovers and and the fumbles from Sam
Darnold right that people just constantly are going to be
concerned about that. Obviously, taking care of the ball is important,
but there's got to be some sort of just cost
of doing business right where you're gonna from time to
time a big dude's gonna smack you when you're didn't
see it coming, and you're gonna cough the ball up.
So do you have a bunch of concern about him?
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You know, the fumbles because you're right early on in
the game before that bad pick six. That fumble put
them right in scoring position. You could have been down,
and who knows how the game unfolds. I assume it
still turns out in seahawks favor, but who knows.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, I think you you're right, Buck. You know, sometimes
the quarterback, he is not his fault. I mean, you know,
he gets hit from behind, the ball gets stripped out.
That stuff happens. If you play the position, that stuff happens.
I think in Sam's case, you asked me if I'm concerned,
I'm rather not concerned. I think he does too many
good things. But there are times I think when he,
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you know, live for another day, you're in trouble, you're
getting squeezed. Put the ball away, put the ball away,
take the sack. If you go, you know, you don't
fumbl the ball. I think sometimes he's in the effort
to make plays, which is an admirable thing, you know,
but an effort to make plays sometimes not always, but
(08:00):
sometimes it allows the opponent to maybe get closer to
him than and get to get the turnover.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Yep, Mike, I feel like all fumbles are not the same,
and and let's just think of it. In three categories
or all think of it in three categories, and you
tell me if I'm missing something. So let's let's say
a running back. A running back has got to run
once he gets that ball. He's got to run with
five points of pressure right high and tight. You know,
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his chest, his bicep, forearm, and then the thumb side
and the and the and the pinky, you know, the
two sides of his hand. Five points of pressure.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And if he.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Fumbles, which is going to happen, there's never going to
be a running back that's going to go his whole
career or rarely without a fumble. But you don't want
that to happen very often. But we have a certain
standard for how he holds the ball. Uh that then
you have a quarterback in the pocket who has not
yet begun to throw. He's got both hands on the ball,
he's looking obviously down the field. He's not going to
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have that balls as cured as a running back would.
And then the third type would be the quarterback is
in the process of throwing, his hands have separated, only
his right hands on the ball and if he gets
hit from behind that that ball is gonna come out
very easily. Yesterday, Sam Darnold had two fumbles that were
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in the middle category. He wasn't yet throwing, he would
have both hands on the ball. So we have, at
least as I've been coached, and I'm sure you coach,
you know, like hey, two hands on the ball. Let's
let's uh, there is a little bit of a higher
standard for a quarterback's fumble in that regard what we
saw yesterday.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, I think that's fair. I absolutely think it's fair.
And that's that's the one thing you would talk to
him about those types of things, and also set up drills.
You know, if you're seeing it, if you're seeing it
happen more than you think it should on that type
of fumble, then set up drills where you, okay, let's
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just emphasize this a little bit. How you feel about this,
you're banging it, you know, those drills you and so
you know, he then all of a sudden in his mind,
you know, when it comes to that situation, he's a
little bit more programmed, you know, to handle the ball properly.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I think if somebody that's not watching this team play,
and there are a lot of people that are commenting
on the Seahawks during the game during the course of
the week, and they look up, Okay, what do I
need to know about the Seahawks, And Okay, they do
this really well, statistics say, and then these statistics and
they will circle the turnover thing, and certainly you want
to clean it up. But I liked what Greg Olsen
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said about it last night. It's like, yes, you want
to fix your turnover issue. You have too many turnovers
this year, But I don't want it to take away
from the team's aggression, which has been part of their
success so far this year. I feel that's the way
Mike McDonald feels about his own team. I don't think
he feels like he has a turnover issue right now,
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even though a stat sheet might suggest that the team.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I think that's a good point, Chuck, I really do.
I think, however, you know that in this business, and
you can go and look at most games during the
week on most teams, that the game can be decided
and often is by the turnover thing. It is so,
but they've overcome that and it has not been a
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problem at their nine to three and they're leading the
division and I think they're going to be there. But
they have to. You're right, people kind of overdo that
just a little bit. It has not black and white. No,
the only time the thing they they refer to the
Ram game. That's the thing that kind of sits in
their mind because he had the four picks. It was
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a close game and that was kind of the deciding
factor in that game.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I think we all agree to that.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
But generally speaking, it hasn't even though the ball has
been on the ground a little bit, it hasn't hurt
him too much this year.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Well, and he has said, we all know Sam Donald
lost that Ram game, and that's just the nature of
playing that position, Mike, right, is that if you play
that poorly those turnovers, you're gonna say the quarterback lost
the game. Sam Donald certainly says that. But you know,
now what I'm what I'm about to say is not
up to date from this weekend. This is Friday. Going
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into the weekend, Sam Donald was on a pace the
turnover worthy plays as judged by Pro Football Focus. He
was on a pace for eighteen and a half Pat
mahomes because he had twelve Pat mahomes at sixteen. He
was on a pace for twenty five in Pat Mahomes' career,
he has had the fallowing fifteen twenty one, eighteen twenty two,
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fourteen twenty two, an average of nineteen point nine. Let's
round nineteen nine to twenty. He's averaged twenty turnover worthy
plays per season. This is judged to be the best
quarterback of an entire generation, maybe all time, and he
averages twenty a year. Sam Donald was on a pace
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for eighteen and a half. So and Donald was number
one in big time throws and break big time throw rate.
So somewhere, Mike might hell, I don't have to quote
these guys.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
You had.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Brett Farber's a three time MVP who threw his share
of interceptions, but he gave you so Doug on many
big plays and those you know, ripping balls in the
red zone into seams that nobody else can throw to
to get touchdowns. For you just talk to us and
amplify your thoughts on Hey, I've got a guy. Yes,
I wish he had fewer turnovers, but by golly, he's
(13:42):
producing a lot of big plays. I don't want to
neuter that out of him. Where do you find that
balance where you feel like it's okay?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Well, first of all I want to say, it was
fake news. Brett Favre did not turn the ball over,
He did not throw interceptions, and I coached.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Him out of that. Damn, maybe you did. That is true.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I think I'm getting older and I forget some of
that stuff, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
But no, you're you guys are right.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I mean, you you got a star quarterback, or you
get a guy who can really play and win games
for you. Then and then, but then the turnovers take place.
What you have to prevent or try to prevent, or
try and coach. Are the are the poor decisions really
poor decisions, you know, and that lead to turnovers? And Brett, certainly,
(14:29):
I'll use Brett as example. Early in his career, you know,
he would take chances and do crazy stuff, stuff I
hadn't seen before, you know. And then a little like
a little like that first interception last night yesterday, you know,
trying to get what are you doing about the ball?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Why did you talk about the Vikings quarterback?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Why did you do that?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
You didn't coach that? Ever on the side arm falling,
I have interception, the double coverage.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I prefer the underhand when he's got one knee on
the ground. But no, I saw it all, and you
you're right, don't take that away. Don't take the explosive,
great play away from him. But in Bret's case, I'll
use him again as example. All of a sudden he
reached a point where that didn't happen quite so much anymore.
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He understood, and he was willing to curb some of
his enthusiasm, as the saying goes. And then, of course,
then I came to Seattle, and then I didn't have him.
I tell Mike Sherman and the guys that had bread afterwards,
I said, I went through the growing pains with him.
You had the good stuff, you know, so, but I
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think quarterback, you know, you know this better anybody.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You learn that.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Stuff and you mature, and you Joe Montana in my
last year with him, you know, he had one of
the great seasons he'd ever had, and he had a
lot of great seasons. And it was so different because
he rarely, rarely took a chance and made a poor decision.
But of course he played a long time and he's
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a special player. But heck, mahomes, we'd all like to,
you know, everyone like to have mahomes. Yeah, you know,
and so I think Sam's a good player, and I
think I'll take what he's doing this year for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
I mean, yesterday they were talking on the broadcast how
no of the team is committing to the run or
I don't don't think that's the way that they said it.
But they're handing the ball off more than most teams are.
All the other teams are out there, and then they're
taking shots over the top. So to me, it would
just seem like that's the recipe that they want to have,
is we're going to hand the ball, make you respect
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the run, and then we're gonna take shots downfield. That
means that there's gonna be chances there's gonna be times
that you get to our quarterback it turns into a fumble.
There's gonna be times when we're trying to make big
explosive plays that you end up picking balls off. So
if that recipe is what your recipe would be, you
like that whole thing, because they also took away those
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big plays yesterday. But at the same time, I don't
know if that's that they took it away. Did it
look to you like they took the Jackson Smith and
jig But for example, out of the equation or was
it the score once they started realizing we're up, you know,
thirteen points. We're not going to give up thirteen points
to this team, and so we're not going to try
to do those big plays anymore. That's that's the question
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of the day. I I and then you know, I
gave you that assignment over the weekend. M H and
Jackson's Smith and Jigmut. I was thinking during the game,
you know what, I don't know exactly what they're doing
in the secondary or how they're doing this, but he's
not getting the ball and that's the first time, that's
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the first time all year. So what were they doing differently?
And I think maybe maybe some of that factored in
Buck that they they said, there's no way this team
can score points on us, or enough points, and we're
gonna just tone it down a little bit.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Maybe they did that. But both charmon Ay and Walker
I think contributed a lot. Neither team passed the ball
very well. You know, they had yard the yardage there
passing was was not good for either team, you know,
and so, uh, it was a it was a crazy
game with the penalties and and the and the you know,
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the turnovers. It just wasn't that much fun to I'm
happy for the Seahawks, but it was different.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Now, Mike, you did give me the homework assignment I got.
I've got some data.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Know if you if you couldn't get it done, don't
be like my when I told when I told my
chemistry teacher in high school, I I did, but I
left my thing at home.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You know, I'm looking right at it.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
You know I didn't delegate it. No, this is this
is just me, uh looking at the coach's tape of
all the plays, and I'm gonna now, I'm gonna go
back and and add the passer rating.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I was. I was.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
I was traveling for the holidays. I was in Florida.
My son was a senior senior game for the Gators.
I was at the Florida Florida State game and traveling.
So I didn't meet my own standards. But right now,
free access for JSN. He gets free access forty four
percent of the time. Mike rolled covers twenty seven percent
(19:20):
of time press so that it's man but uh, no
safety over the top, but no no free access. You know,
obviously he's got to get off the bump. And run
guys twenty nine percent of the time. I'll give you
more detail, but there's almost half the time he's getting
free access. Yesterday specifically, yeah they rolled on him, but
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you know what, there was a couple occasions where they
they actually rolled on Cooper Cup just because of formation
and the field and boundary and what have you, and
they had free access to JSN. There was a time
where where I think McDonald Sam Darnold has been good
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this year at using his eyes, so Mike, the the
Vikings had a ton of zone blitzes where they they're
playing three deep on his zone zone blitz and sometimes
even two under they're playing quarter quarter half with his
zone blitz, rushing five and playing uh with just six
and a lot of times they would squeeze to j
(20:25):
s N and and and But I didn't think Donald
used his eyes as well because I felt like he
felt like the uh, the uh, his time clock was
going off. There was a time, for example, where where
he could have waited on jas N on an intermediate
inbreaking route, but he in in weeks past he's done
that with his eyes, just manipulate that shallow defender and
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then throw in behind him. He didn't do that. As
we said, there was times where you know, on a
double on a lion mic on double slant, Uh, he
should have gone to J s N. So I think
I think there's I got three are four minuses on
on Sam Darnold on where he chose to go with
the ball, and a couple of those involved js N.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
You know, it kind of goes back to what we
were talking about before, maybe that he's in that game.
Sam's in that game and he's just everyone watching the
game or feeling on the field. They're not gonna score
very much, if at all. So I'm not gonna screw
this up. I'm I'm gonna approach it. Maybe a little
(21:30):
bit different, uh, you know than some of the some
of the other games. I don't know that, but that
could have been part of it, you know, because he
has been good with his eyes and his decision making
most of the time. Four minuses that's not good.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
That's not good.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
No, I mean it depends on I mean not double minuses.
It just when I when I have a minus there,
I'm saying, if if I can envision myself in that
quarterback coaching room and Mike Holmgan or or whoever's the
quarterback coach. He would say, Okay, did we throw it
to the right guy? And I've got I got three,
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And then you could debate the four three where I
thought the ball should have gone somewhere else based on
the read.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Well, it probably didn't help that he was wearing Dallas
Turner like a petticoat and Jonathan Grenard like a chest plate.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So I mean, yeah, all right, we're.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
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Speaker 2 (22:46):
See enough for you to Seattle.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Second and six for the Seahawks, sharpening again over the
left side breaks the tackle got up three touchdown, first
one of the day for the Seahawks offense.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Uh yeah, one touchdown for the offense. Even though it
was a bit of a laugher of a game, it
felt decided early on twenty six to nothing, the final score.
Certainly some accolades still to throw out about the defensive performance,
but we really didn't sink our teeth into the pass protection. Coach,
I felt like that was the worst Sam Darnold has
been protected by far this year, and Anthony Bradford continues
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to struggle. Should Mike McDonald be alarmed by this or
do you give credit to the Vikings defense?
Speaker 4 (23:30):
No, I think the Vikings did a nice job that way,
and they did pressure, but certainly you have to be alarmed,
not alarmed, but you have to if it has to
be addressed, has to be addressed, absolutely, and it's if
they want to go all the way, which I think
they have a chance to go all the way, then
that's an area that teams now will watch look at
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that game and to come away from that, they were
able to pressure early on in particular, well the whole
game actually they put pretty good pressure and then as
Bucky pointed out earlier, then the Seahawks went to running
the ball more in the second half and because the
game was essentially over, But no, you got you have
got to address that. You know, they've had a couple
(24:14):
of injuries in there. I don't know if that's affected play,
but the farther you get along and closer to the
playoffs and the Super Bowl and so on. It's something
you have to look at.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Mike count when you encountered teams like that that like
to put everybody up at the line of scrimmage. You know,
they played a lot of three four and so they've
got linebackers, you know, seven across the boards, defensive line
and linebackers. Any and any of those linebackers can pop
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out threaten the rush. That whole idea of mugging up.
What was your favorite remedy for teams that like to
do that When they're playing the zone behind it, but
they're showing pre snap everybody at the line of scrimmage,
you don't quite know who's coming.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Well, I think you got to get the ball out
of your hand quickly because that area between the linebackers
and like you said, the secondary who are playing a
little bit deeper, Okay, there's more room there, and so play.
The other thing is play action pass. If those linebackers
are mugging and then getting into pass coverage at some
point trying to fake you out, but you run like
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a running running play right at them. They're they're a
little bit stuck in that area. Now there's again room
behind them to throw the ball. So you know it's
but it's it's a challenge. I mean for the for
the quarterback and for the offensive cause it's you got
to make sure your inside is covered and if anyone's
going to be unblocked, it's going to be the outside guy.
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Your back has to understand if he's got pass protection,
pickup how he asked to go from one to two,
those types of things. And yesterday, Uh, the rushers, they
they couldn't they couldn't handle a couple number fifty five
for Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Grenard. Yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
He was pretty impressive to me, and they had a
tough time blocking him.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Or maybe that was Wilson. It was Wilson. Wilson, Yeah,
he had four tackles. Yeah, Wilson had a big game.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Well I'm not sure if that's who it was, but
he probably was one of the guys that was going
by Anthony Bradford. I love listening to you when I
get to talk to you a couple times a week,
and Hugh, you guys break stuff down and you'll get
me to start looking at different things. And yet when
I just watch a game, there's there's some things that
I'm like, WHOA, I can't wait to hear what coach
and Hugh have to say about that. There's one thing
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that I think anybody can see, and that's Bradford. I mean,
I don't know for sure what you would say to
a guy like that, or if it just is an
indictment on who is behind him, because this has been
your starter all year.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I mean, they're trying to pull.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Him and he runs to the end of the line
and just doesn't even go after the guy that he's
supposed to block. I assume or people are the pass
rushing and he had one where like a guy went
on side of him and another guy went on this
side of like, well, can you.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Just block one of them?
Speaker 5 (27:03):
We don't need to a block bowl, can you just
do And it's like he was trying to block some
imaginary person that was in front of him. Are you
seeing the same thing as far as his play goes
or am I just imagining?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
No? No, you're not imagining it.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
And the thing that the thing that I think everybody
noticed in the game we're watching on tv UH is
that when he was pulling from his right to his
left and they were bringing an outside guy to that side.
That's who he was supposed to block. And the guy's
right there. If I'm pulling, and there shouldn't have any
(27:36):
confusion here he comes, that's the guy, and he somehow,
somehow he looked in it. Just you go, well, that
can't happen, you know, and so and so they've had
look at it. They've got they've been competing, you know.
You hear that all the time. We compete all the time. Well,
they've had since training camp, they've that position has been
(27:58):
a competition, I think, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
And so.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
You know, if someone is healthy and ready to play,
give him a chance. Give him a chance, because you
are going to be graded, you know, on on how
you did in the game. If your grade is too
low or it's not sufficient, then you know there's a
chance you make the change. You don't want to do that.
You want to keep your guys together. But if all
of a sudden, if it's happening too much, no, absolutely
(28:26):
you make a change.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
What's the old joke, if you're seeing double vision, hit
the guy.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
In the middle, just hit one of them. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Please, let's I mean, let's talk a little bit about
the defense. Feel like we maybe we should hand out
a little bit of flowers here, And I would ask
you both this question because I think that when we
watched the game, just as you know football fans, that
you see Ernest Jones fill up the stat sheet and
you see DeMarcus Lawrence make the highlight plays yesterday. But
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there's got to be something through how you keep Justin
Jefferson to two catches and four yards on six targets
during the course of the game. So, either through Hughes,
advanced film study, or just whatever popped out to you
coach about who really did kind of stand out on
that defensive side of the ball. Maybe it was Jones,
maybe it was Lawrence, or maybe somebody else was the
(29:20):
guy responsible for such a great defensive game.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yeah, I'll let you comment on this. I'll just say
that that they are They're getting a lot of activity
from their four pass rushers the four defensive linemen. And
when you can do that, then you can really fool
around behind them and do a bunch of stuff and
and they're they're good. And that's a credit to Mike
and his defenses and what he's doing. But there are
(29:46):
not a lot of teams I don't think they can
apply that type of pressure with four people. Yeah, and
then when they bring another one or they mix it
up a little bit, they almost always get home against it.
And then then then then you get the poor young quarterback.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
You know it just.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
What a game, What a game to break in, what
a team to break in against. Yeah, and it was
not going to happen. It was not going to be good.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
It looked like a port chopping a lion's day.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Yeah, well, you know, Mike, there was a few occasions
where their role to justin Jefferson. I think one of
the things Chuck and answered your question might and Mike
certainly knows this. When you press, and that's a term
bump and run, it's man and man. If you if
you press a receiver a lot of the the playbook,
(30:41):
it translates to a fade. A hits route will translate
to a fade, A quick out route will translate to
a skinny post, A twelve yard out route in some cases,
depending on the split, will will convert to a to
a fade route. So you the combination of when you
just press a guy and you take away the quick
game mic right then when you're having the pass rush
(31:05):
that that the Seahawks were producing. That can really be
a big problem. And then I lauded Josh Uh Josh
Job on that interception that that Ernest Jones had, Mike,
it was it was justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Was the X.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
It was an X in speed cut, not not a
square but a speed in. And it was cover three.
Corner was off single high guys. Uh and uh and
and Josh Job was on the outside shoulder because of
the split and and where the balls on the the
near hals Mike, But I thought Josh Job had a
textbook clinic tape drive on the football, get his hand up,
(31:45):
pop the ball in the air. Ernest Jones gets the interception.
That's got to be on paper as hard a duty
as there is in for a cornerback in the NFL
that man on that type of route in that coverage. Uh,
it was not cover three, it was it was over one.
Uh lurk with with Jones as the as the shallow
hole player, Mike, that was a hell of play by Joe.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You know what it was.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
And uh, you give credit where credit is due. Excuse
me the but I will say this, if if I
have Jefferson, you know, and I have a privilege to
coach Jerry Rice and some of these guys. There is
no way, there is no way I'm gonna quit if
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they hold my guy, that guy to what you say,
chuck to catch your yards that you know. And then
I was critical of Jefferson and his affect on the
sidelines when he come over and sit on the on
the on the bench and stuff. But I guess now
that we're talking about it, I kind of feel I
(32:51):
kind of feel for him because here's the acknowledge one
of the finest receivers in the league, and it's inexcusable
that they didn't have some thing they could pop him
a little bit and get him some catches. I just
think that I blame the offensive. I blame the offense
on that well.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
And I don't know how much time you guys spent
on this last week, but he also had to experience
the looking across the sideline and seeing the quarterback he
had last year, I know, playing for another team. I mean,
they could have franchise tag Sam Donald last year and
kept him around just to see if JJ McCarthy needed
another year or so, and they decided not to do that.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Well, you know what I did yesterday and shame on
me for doing this. And if you want to kick
me out, I will, I'll leave. When I saw that,
and I'm thinking, okay, they had Daniel Jones and Sam
Donald and they decided to do what they did, I'm going, okay,
who's making that decision? So I looked up the Minnesota
(33:49):
you know, front office and their general manager. I don't
know him, he had been with the forty nine ers
for a while. But then I look at his strengths.
You know what his numbers one strength is and he's
an expert at this analytics. As soon as I saw that,
I threw my paper in the air, turned off my computer. Okay,
(34:09):
it's like you and the officials. It's like you and
the officials and analytics.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Ye, he's an analytic herder.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
All right, One last segment with Coach and Hugh as
we wrap up Monday Morning Quarterback next on kJ R.
All right, vital segment with you Millon and with the
Mike Homer and Monday Morning Quarterback coming to a close.
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do one last thing for coach. We go round the room.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Bucky start us off.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Well, we were just talking during the break a little
bit about analytics and how wonderful they are.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, none of us here are.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Absolutely married to them, even though they are useful tools.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I just wanted to ask. I slept with them the most.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah. Yeah, They've courted them a lot, taking them out dinner.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Yeah, you spend a lot of time, much bigger fan
than the rest of us, or than coach.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And I'll just say that.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
But one of those stats, and I don't understand how
they come up with these, but I think it's just
ranking and how you feel about them right now has
basically the Rams is the highest percentage chance to win
the Super Bowl at this point in time. Number two
in the NFL is the Seahawks. Out of the entire NFL.
I mean, they're better than any team that's in the
AFC at this point. When you're watching this team, would
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you consider them because a lot of people will be like, yeah,
and they I think they're better than the Rams based
on the one time they've met, even though they lost.
Would you say this is a one or two team
to win the super Bowl at this.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Point, I'm not ready to do that yet, because I
think that's it's too a little too early premature. They
still have to they still have to play the Rams,
they still have to play the forty nine ers. But
I think they'll be there. They'll be in the conversation
in a couple of weeks for sure. Uh but I think,
(36:02):
you know, and you know what, to those the people
listening who and some who are analytic people, I apologize,
I do, but I'm not with you.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I'm not with you on that.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
So just know that, Coach, these guys, the people that
came up with these percentages, they put their Christmas tree
up before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Okay, I rest my case. We are in the same group.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
But I know, I wait, Buck, But but you know what,
I'm I'm on the bandwagon. I think they got a
real shot to get there.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Analytics by says like November eleventh and a half is
okay time for.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Christmas noon on November.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Analytics those are guys that, yeah, right, get in the
get in the thing and fly around the moon and
you know, and drop the presence.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Yeah, hey, what's one last thing?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Well, I have my beef with the analytics, but people
foot seas with them but I've never gone in for
that kiss. But you know, but my problem is that
they somehow think that it's just fine to have part
time officials and uh, and they like the toast post.
(37:16):
So yeah, I got no time for them. But you know,
I actually, Mike, the topic of the day in the
football world is is Lane Kiffin his decisions on how
he's handled that situation? Be curious to hear your take. Now,
there's too many differences to enumerate, but but you've at
(37:38):
least been in that situation in one sense, having been
the packer coach at contemplating the idea of taking the
Seahawk job. Uh, and and how that probably tuges on
you in a lot of different ways. Just just what
what is it like for a coach to be in
that situation? Nice to be wanted by multiple franchise and organizations,
(38:01):
but what's it like? And then, specifically regarding Lane Kiffen,
what's your reaction to what has transpired of the last
day or two.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Well, I, you know, I was in that situation, and
the people some of the folks in Green Bay, like
I'm assuming some of the folks in Mississippi were upset
with that he's leaving. And when I left, the decision
I had to make was the it was no longer
just a coach. I was working for a great guy
and Ron Wolf, but Seattle had a chance to I
(38:31):
had a chance to expand my what my responsibilities were.
And it also was my DNA to help it come
in and maybe what I learned about myself is to
come in and try and fix something that was a
little bit broken that that appeal to me. In Lane's case,
I'm not surprised. I am surprised just a little bit
(38:54):
because Mississippi. I think he had done a great job there.
I think everyone's these guys a lot of money. I
don't know if it's dramatically different at LSU, but you know,
it's it's the business.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
And if he.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Thought it was time and he was ready to do that,
He's gone to a lot of places, you know, he's
been a lot of and my only concern was, and
you guys have met coaches and people. You're at a bank,
you're at a banquet. You're at a banquet and you're
going around. It's everyone has a glass of wines before
they sit down and eat, and you're going around talking
to people shaking hands and you see this person and
(39:33):
he's shaking your hand, but he's looking over your shoulder.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
He wants to see someone more important, you know.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
And and and I met I knew coaches like that too,
that if you're not, if you're focused on the next
job and not the job you have, you're not that.
I didn't like that so much. So I don't know him.
I wish him well, but I was a little bit surprised.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Refresh my memory when you did make the very difficult
decision to leave the Packers. Was it before the playoffs
or after the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
No, it was.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
I think, Uh uh it was it was after our
last game. Okay, you know, and I told you the
story I had. I had three I was gonna interview
it Baltimore and and uh Philadelphia the same week and
uh so you know it was crazy.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, all right, Well we'll wrap it up with that,
but thank you gentlemen. Awesome stuff as always. Uh and
we'll do it again, uh next week.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Thank you.
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Now the Monday morning Quarterback with Mike hom Grin and
Hugh Millin.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Here's Chuck and Buck.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Nine o'clock hour here on this Monday. That's right, Ashley, Ryan,
Bucky Jacobs a Chuck pal Back together here on this
Monday morning. And of course we've got our pillars of analysis.
Hugh Mellan's been with us since eight o'clock this morning
and joining us now in studio. Mike Holmgren is with
us as well. Good morning, Coach.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Good morning, good morning, good to see you.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
How is Thanksgiving? Did you carve the big Swedish meatball
for the family?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
No, you see, once again, you're confusing, Oh, Thanksgiving with Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Okay, he does confuse those. Well, he doesn't have a
bright there's no bright line. There's no bright line.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
The Christmas tree meatballs are Christmas meatballs and cold dumber,
a lot of Swedish things. Okay, all right, turkey, So
the turkey was good.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Turkey Closs told me that no.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
See it's not turkey class. See, Coach been uncoachable. Uncoachable
you know what. He leaves for a while and he
gets all messed up. We got to bring you back
into the fold.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I open our first Christmas present day and it was toughing.
So you're right, I am crossing streets.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Just so, just so you know, just so you know,
and you know, I know you take notes, and you're
you know all that take some notes. Thanksgiving was wonderful.
The next day, my bad foot and all. Kathy took
me over to our storage unit. I got all the trees,
all the things and we've put up the tree, and
(02:26):
the next day Friday, Okay, that's the timing.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, okay, right.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Day after Thanksgiving when you start getting ready, and then
Friday and Saturday then you start throwing the meatballs.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You start all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Okay, not before all right, but that's fallen on deaf
ears for the last what five years.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Trying to throwing the meatballs. Okay, got it, got it,
got it, got it last all right.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well, we've got a twenty nothing football game to just
dist to talk about Christmas.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You know, that was a game.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I'm watching that game and it's like it's it's hurting me.
It's hurting me to watch it.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But that's Mike McDonald's Christmas though. I mean, you tell
me a defensive minded head coach posting a shutout what
that does to a guy like Mike McDonald.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
You know he is he is, although as tough as
he is on himself, Uh, he's still gonna bang it
around a little bit. But a shutout, Yeah, that's that's unbelievable.
And he's a defensive guy, and it's he has to
feel good about that and where the team is right now.
You know, I always stayed away from looking ahead. But
(03:42):
I'm now I can look ahead, and I'm looking at
They've got Atlanta coming up, they got you know, Indianapolis,
I think coming up, yes, and that they're they're kind
of I don't know what's happening with them, but it
all boils down to this. Seems like the Rams game
on Thursday night, you know, and and it's kind of
that's kind of cool. The division is strong, the forty
(04:03):
nine ers are still in it. But yesterday, I don't
I don't know. I should listen to you. He broke
it down and knows all the stuff that's going on.
I just watched the game and then boy it was hard.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Well, Mike, we'd have to also mention Carolina after the
RAM game. That could be a track game, right, I
mean they just beat the Rams, you know, Between the
forty nine Er game and that RAM game on November eighteenth,
Carolina could be a challenge. But you mentioned obviously Mike
McDonald feeling really good. The whine or the vodka or
(04:42):
whatever is his beverage on a Sunday night after the
game tastes a little better because his defense was so
essential to the win. What if you had been the
head coach last night, and you had coached what you
saw unbelievable performance by your defense against Ricky quarterback. But
then you saw what you saw, what you said, they
(05:03):
made your eyes bleed. If you saw what you saw,
what would be your takeaway last night is you were
drinking the wine.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Well, I think, as Chuck pointed out, it's a shutout,
and you shut out anybody in this league, you should
That's okay. You can have the you can have a
glass of wine. Really, Having said that, however, that poor
young guy who played quarterback, they didn't have a chance.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
There was no chance.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
So the only way they were staying in the game,
they stayed in the game early because their defense. Actually
Minnesota put gave the Seahawks some problems early with their defense.
And then you know, I don't know I'm speculating here,
but I'm watching Jefferson, I'm watching some of these guys.
I'm watching their head coach on television as the game's progressing,
(05:52):
and it was like they said they knew, they knew
they couldn't do anything, and that that if I was
the coach of the that would bother me, that would
really bother me. And and you know, but I think
I think early on it was you know, it was
a defensive game, was going to be a defensive game,
and then that crazy interception, and then then after that
(06:14):
it was over.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
Yeah, as difference between getting beaten and getting broken. And
it did look like I mean, justin Justin Jefferson looks broken,
just like man, I, yeah, understand me. So you're one
of the best receivers and you just can't get anything together,
and one of the better coaches out there and can't
get anything going right either. But I mean, I have
something I actually want to ask coach, and then Hugh,
you can chime into being a quarterback. A lot of
(06:38):
concern about the turnovers and and the fumbles from Sam
Darnold right that people just constantly are going to be
concerned about that. Obviously, taking care of the ball is important,
but there's got to be some sort of just cost
of doing business right where you're gonna from time to
time a big dude's gonna smack you when you're didn't
see it coming, and you're gonna cough the ball up.
So do you have a bunch of concern about him?
(07:01):
You know, the fumbles because you're right early on in
the game before that bad pick six. That fumble put
them right in scoring position. You could have been down,
and who knows how the game unfolds. I assume it
still turns out in seahawks favor, but who knows.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, I think you you're right, Buck. You know, sometimes
the quarterback, he is not his fault. I mean, you know,
he gets hit from behind, the ball gets stripped out.
That stuff happens. If you play the position, that stuff happens.
I think in Sam's case, you asked me if I'm concerned,
I'm rather not concerned. I think he does too many
good things. But there are times I think when he,
(07:38):
you know, live for another day, you're in trouble, you're
getting squeezed. Put the ball away, put the ball away,
take the sack. If you go, you know, you don't
fumbl the ball. I think sometimes he's in the effort
to make plays, which is an admirable thing, you know,
but an effort to make plays sometimes not always, but
(08:00):
sometimes it allows the opponent to maybe get closer to
him than and get to get the turnover.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Yep, Mike, I feel like all fumbles are not the same,
and and let's just think of it. In three categories
or all think of it in three categories, and you
tell me if I'm missing something. So let's let's say
a running back. A running back has got to run
once he gets that ball. He's got to run with
five points of pressure right high and tight. You know,
(08:28):
his chest, his bicep, forearm, and then the thumb side
and the and the and the pinky, you know, the
two sides of his hand. Five points of pressure.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And if he.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Fumbles, which is going to happen, there's never going to
be a running back that's going to go his whole
career or rarely without a fumble. But you don't want
that to happen very often. But we have a certain
standard for how he holds the ball. Uh that then
you have a quarterback in the pocket who has not
yet begun to throw. He's got both hands on the ball,
he's looking obviously down the field. He's not going to
(08:58):
have that balls as cured as a running back would.
And then the third type would be the quarterback is
in the process of throwing, his hands have separated, only
his right hands on the ball and if he gets
hit from behind that that ball is gonna come out
very easily. Yesterday, Sam Darnold had two fumbles that were
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in the middle category. He wasn't yet throwing, he would
have both hands on the ball. So we have, at
least as I've been coached, and I'm sure you coach,
you know, like hey, two hands on the ball. Let's
let's uh, there is a little bit of a higher
standard for a quarterback's fumble in that regard what we
saw yesterday.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, I think that's fair. I absolutely think it's fair.
And that's that's the one thing you would talk to
him about those types of things, and also set up drills.
You know, if you're seeing it, if you're seeing it
happen more than you think it should on that type
of fumble, then set up drills where you, okay, let's
(09:58):
just emphasize this a little bit. How you feel about this,
you're banging it, you know, those drills you and so
you know, he then all of a sudden in his mind,
you know, when it comes to that situation, he's a
little bit more programmed, you know, to handle the ball properly.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I think if somebody that's not watching this team play,
and there are a lot of people that are commenting
on the Seahawks during the game during the course of
the week, and they look up, Okay, what do I
need to know about the Seahawks, And Okay, they do
this really well, statistics say, and then these statistics and
they will circle the turnover thing, and certainly you want
to clean it up. But I liked what Greg Olsen
(10:35):
said about it last night. It's like, yes, you want
to fix your turnover issue. You have too many turnovers
this year, But I don't want it to take away
from the team's aggression, which has been part of their
success so far this year. I feel that's the way
Mike McDonald feels about his own team. I don't think
he feels like he has a turnover issue right now,
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even though a stat sheet might suggest that the team.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I think that's a good point, Chuck, I really do.
I think, however, you know that in this business, and
you can go and look at most games during the
week on most teams, that the game can be decided
and often is by the turnover thing. It is so,
but they've overcome that and it has not been a
(11:22):
problem at their nine to three and they're leading the
division and I think they're going to be there. But
they have to. You're right, people kind of overdo that
just a little bit. It has not black and white. No,
the only time the thing they they refer to the
Ram game. That's the thing that kind of sits in
their mind because he had the four picks. It was
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a close game and that was kind of the deciding
factor in that game.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I think we all agree to that.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
But generally speaking, it hasn't even though the ball has
been on the ground a little bit, it hasn't hurt
him too much this year.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Well, and he has said, we all know Sam Donald
lost that Ram game, and that's just the nature of
playing that position, Mike, right, is that if you play
that poorly those turnovers, you're gonna say the quarterback lost
the game. Sam Donald certainly says that. But you know,
now what I'm what I'm about to say is not
up to date from this weekend. This is Friday. Going
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into the weekend, Sam Donald was on a pace the
turnover worthy plays as judged by Pro Football Focus. He
was on a pace for eighteen and a half Pat
mahomes because he had twelve Pat mahomes at sixteen. He
was on a pace for twenty five in Pat Mahomes' career,
he has had the fallowing fifteen twenty one, eighteen twenty two,
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fourteen twenty two, an average of nineteen point nine. Let's
round nineteen nine to twenty. He's averaged twenty turnover worthy
plays per season. This is judged to be the best
quarterback of an entire generation, maybe all time, and he
averages twenty a year. Sam Donald was on a pace
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for eighteen and a half. So and Donald was number
one in big time throws and break big time throw rate.
So somewhere, Mike might hell, I don't have to quote
these guys.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
You had.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Brett Farber's a three time MVP who threw his share
of interceptions, but he gave you so Doug on many
big plays and those you know, ripping balls in the
red zone into seams that nobody else can throw to
to get touchdowns. For you just talk to us and
amplify your thoughts on Hey, I've got a guy. Yes,
I wish he had fewer turnovers, but by golly, he's
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producing a lot of big plays. I don't want to
neuter that out of him. Where do you find that
balance where you feel like it's okay?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Well, first of all I want to say, it was
fake news. Brett Favre did not turn the ball over,
He did not throw interceptions, and I coached.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Him out of that. Damn, maybe you did. That is true.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I think I'm getting older and I forget some of
that stuff, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
But no, you're you guys are right.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
I mean, you you got a star quarterback, or you
get a guy who can really play and win games
for you. Then and then, but then the turnovers take place.
What you have to prevent or try to prevent, or
try and coach. Are the are the poor decisions really
poor decisions, you know, and that lead to turnovers? And Brett, certainly,
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I'll use Brett as example. Early in his career, you know,
he would take chances and do crazy stuff, stuff I
hadn't seen before, you know. And then a little like
a little like that first interception last night yesterday, you know,
trying to get what are you doing about the ball?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Why did you talk about the Vikings quarterback?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Why did you do that?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
You didn't coach that? Ever on the side arm falling,
I have interception, the double coverage.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I prefer the underhand when he's got one knee on
the ground. But no, I saw it all, and you
you're right, don't take that away. Don't take the explosive,
great play away from him. But in Bret's case, I'll
use him again as example. All of a sudden he
reached a point where that didn't happen quite so much anymore.
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He understood, and he was willing to curb some of
his enthusiasm, as the saying goes. And then, of course,
then I came to Seattle, and then I didn't have him.
I tell Mike Sherman and the guys that had bread afterwards,
I said, I went through the growing pains with him.
You had the good stuff, you know, so, but I
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think quarterback, you know, you know this better anybody.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You learn that.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Stuff and you mature, and you Joe Montana in my
last year with him, you know, he had one of
the great seasons he'd ever had, and he had a
lot of great seasons. And it was so different because
he rarely, rarely took a chance and made a poor decision.
But of course he played a long time and he's
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a special player. But heck, mahomes, we'd all like to,
you know, everyone like to have mahomes. Yeah, you know,
and so I think Sam's a good player, and I
think I'll take what he's doing this year for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
I mean, yesterday they were talking on the broadcast how
no of the team is committing to the run or
I don't don't think that's the way that they said it.
But they're handing the ball off more than most teams are.
All the other teams are out there, and then they're
taking shots over the top. So to me, it would
just seem like that's the recipe that they want to have,
is we're going to hand the ball, make you respect
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the run, and then we're gonna take shots downfield. That
means that there's gonna be chances there's gonna be times
that you get to our quarterback it turns into a fumble.
There's gonna be times when we're trying to make big
explosive plays that you end up picking balls off. So
if that recipe is what your recipe would be, you
like that whole thing, because they also took away those
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big plays yesterday. But at the same time, I don't
know if that's that they took it away. Did it
look to you like they took the Jackson Smith and
jig But for example, out of the equation or was
it the score once they started realizing we're up, you know,
thirteen points. We're not going to give up thirteen points
to this team, and so we're not going to try
to do those big plays anymore. That's that's the question
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of the day. I I and then you know, I
gave you that assignment over the weekend. M H and
Jackson's Smith and Jigmut. I was thinking during the game,
you know what, I don't know exactly what they're doing
in the secondary or how they're doing this, but he's
not getting the ball and that's the first time, that's
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the first time all year. So what were they doing differently?
And I think maybe maybe some of that factored in
Buck that they they said, there's no way this team
can score points on us, or enough points, and we're
gonna just tone it down a little bit.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Maybe they did that. But both charmon Ay and Walker
I think contributed a lot. Neither team passed the ball
very well. You know, they had yard the yardage there
passing was was not good for either team, you know,
and so, uh, it was a it was a crazy
game with the penalties and and the and the you know,
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the turnovers. It just wasn't that much fun to I'm
happy for the Seahawks, but it was different.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Now, Mike, you did give me the homework assignment I got.
I've got some data.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Know if you if you couldn't get it done, don't
be like my when I told when I told my
chemistry teacher in high school, I I did, but I
left my thing at home.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You know, I'm looking right at it.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
You know I didn't delegate it. No, this is this
is just me, uh looking at the coach's tape of
all the plays, and I'm gonna now, I'm gonna go
back and and add the passer rating.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I was. I was.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
I was traveling for the holidays. I was in Florida.
My son was a senior senior game for the Gators.
I was at the Florida Florida State game and traveling.
So I didn't meet my own standards. But right now,
free access for JSN. He gets free access forty four
percent of the time. Mike rolled covers twenty seven percent
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of time press so that it's man but uh, no
safety over the top, but no no free access. You know,
obviously he's got to get off the bump. And run
guys twenty nine percent of the time. I'll give you
more detail, but there's almost half the time he's getting
free access. Yesterday specifically, yeah they rolled on him, but
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you know what, there was a couple occasions where they
they actually rolled on Cooper Cup just because of formation
and the field and boundary and what have you, and
they had free access to JSN. There was a time
where where I think McDonald Sam Darnold has been good
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this year at using his eyes, so Mike, the the
Vikings had a ton of zone blitzes where they they're
playing three deep on his zone zone blitz and sometimes
even two under they're playing quarter quarter half with his
zone blitz, rushing five and playing uh with just six
and a lot of times they would squeeze to j
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s N and and and But I didn't think Donald
used his eyes as well because I felt like he
felt like the uh, the uh, his time clock was
going off. There was a time, for example, where where
he could have waited on jas N on an intermediate
inbreaking route, but he in in weeks past he's done
that with his eyes, just manipulate that shallow defender and
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then throw in behind him. He didn't do that. As
we said, there was times where you know, on a
double on a lion mic on double slant, Uh, he
should have gone to J s N. So I think
I think there's I got three are four minuses on
on Sam Darnold on where he chose to go with
the ball, and a couple of those involved js N.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
You know, it kind of goes back to what we
were talking about before, maybe that he's in that game.
Sam's in that game and he's just everyone watching the
game or feeling on the field. They're not gonna score
very much, if at all. So I'm not gonna screw
this up. I'm I'm gonna approach it. Maybe a little
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bit different, uh, you know than some of the some
of the other games. I don't know that, but that
could have been part of it, you know, because he
has been good with his eyes and his decision making
most of the time. Four minuses that's not good.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
That's not good.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
No, I mean it depends on I mean not double minuses.
It just when I when I have a minus there,
I'm saying, if if I can envision myself in that
quarterback coaching room and Mike Holmgan or or whoever's the
quarterback coach. He would say, Okay, did we throw it
to the right guy? And I've got I got three,
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And then you could debate the four three where I
thought the ball should have gone somewhere else based on
the read.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Well, it probably didn't help that he was wearing Dallas
Turner like a petticoat and Jonathan Grenard like a chest plate.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So I mean, yeah, all right, we're.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Gonna talk more. We got more with coaching you on
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Speaker 2 (22:46):
See enough for you to Seattle.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Second and six for the Seahawks, sharpening again over the
left side breaks the tackle got up three touchdown, first
one of the day for the Seahawks offense.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Uh yeah, one touchdown for the offense. Even though it
was a bit of a laugher of a game, it
felt decided early on twenty six to nothing, the final score.
Certainly some accolades still to throw out about the defensive performance,
but we really didn't sink our teeth into the pass protection. Coach,
I felt like that was the worst Sam Darnold has
been protected by far this year, and Anthony Bradford continues
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to struggle. Should Mike McDonald be alarmed by this or
do you give credit to the Vikings defense?
Speaker 4 (23:30):
No, I think the Vikings did a nice job that way,
and they did pressure, but certainly you have to be alarmed,
not alarmed, but you have to if it has to
be addressed, has to be addressed, absolutely, and it's if
they want to go all the way, which I think
they have a chance to go all the way, then
that's an area that teams now will watch look at
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that game and to come away from that, they were
able to pressure early on in particular, well the whole
game actually they put pretty good pressure and then as
Bucky pointed out earlier, then the Seahawks went to running
the ball more in the second half and because the
game was essentially over, But no, you got you have
got to address that. You know, they've had a couple
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of injuries in there. I don't know if that's affected play,
but the farther you get along and closer to the
playoffs and the Super Bowl and so on. It's something
you have to look at.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Mike count when you encountered teams like that that like
to put everybody up at the line of scrimmage. You know,
they played a lot of three four and so they've
got linebackers, you know, seven across the boards, defensive line
and linebackers. Any and any of those linebackers can pop
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out threaten the rush. That whole idea of mugging up.
What was your favorite remedy for teams that like to
do that When they're playing the zone behind it, but
they're showing pre snap everybody at the line of scrimmage,
you don't quite know who's coming.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Well, I think you got to get the ball out
of your hand quickly because that area between the linebackers
and like you said, the secondary who are playing a
little bit deeper, Okay, there's more room there, and so play.
The other thing is play action pass. If those linebackers
are mugging and then getting into pass coverage at some
point trying to fake you out, but you run like
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a running running play right at them. They're they're a
little bit stuck in that area. Now there's again room
behind them to throw the ball. So you know it's
but it's it's a challenge. I mean for the for
the quarterback and for the offensive cause it's you got
to make sure your inside is covered and if anyone's
going to be unblocked, it's going to be the outside guy.
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Your back has to understand if he's got pass protection,
pickup how he asked to go from one to two,
those types of things. And yesterday, Uh, the rushers, they
they couldn't they couldn't handle a couple number fifty five
for Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Grenard. Yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
He was pretty impressive to me, and they had a
tough time blocking him.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Or maybe that was Wilson. It was Wilson. Wilson, Yeah,
he had four tackles. Yeah, Wilson had a big game.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Well I'm not sure if that's who it was, but
he probably was one of the guys that was going
by Anthony Bradford. I love listening to you when I
get to talk to you a couple times a week,
and Hugh, you guys break stuff down and you'll get
me to start looking at different things. And yet when
I just watch a game, there's there's some things that
I'm like, WHOA, I can't wait to hear what coach
and Hugh have to say about that. There's one thing
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that I think anybody can see, and that's Bradford. I mean,
I don't know for sure what you would say to
a guy like that, or if it just is an
indictment on who is behind him, because this has been
your starter all year.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I mean, they're trying to pull.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Him and he runs to the end of the line
and just doesn't even go after the guy that he's
supposed to block. I assume or people are the pass
rushing and he had one where like a guy went
on side of him and another guy went on this
side of like, well, can you.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Just block one of them?
Speaker 5 (27:03):
We don't need to a block bowl, can you just
do And it's like he was trying to block some
imaginary person that was in front of him. Are you
seeing the same thing as far as his play goes
or am I just imagining?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
No? No, you're not imagining it.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
And the thing that the thing that I think everybody
noticed in the game we're watching on tv UH is
that when he was pulling from his right to his
left and they were bringing an outside guy to that side.
That's who he was supposed to block. And the guy's
right there. If I'm pulling, and there shouldn't have any
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confusion here he comes, that's the guy, and he somehow,
somehow he looked in it. Just you go, well, that
can't happen, you know, and so and so they've had
look at it. They've got they've been competing, you know.
You hear that all the time. We compete all the time. Well,
they've had since training camp, they've that position has been
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a competition, I think, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
And so.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
You know, if someone is healthy and ready to play,
give him a chance. Give him a chance, because you
are going to be graded, you know, on on how
you did in the game. If your grade is too
low or it's not sufficient, then you know there's a
chance you make the change. You don't want to do that.
You want to keep your guys together. But if all
of a sudden, if it's happening too much, no, absolutely
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you make a change.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
What's the old joke, if you're seeing double vision, hit
the guy.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
In the middle, just hit one of them. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Please, let's I mean, let's talk a little bit about
the defense. Feel like we maybe we should hand out
a little bit of flowers here, And I would ask
you both this question because I think that when we
watched the game, just as you know football fans, that
you see Ernest Jones fill up the stat sheet and
you see DeMarcus Lawrence make the highlight plays yesterday. But
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there's got to be something through how you keep Justin
Jefferson to two catches and four yards on six targets
during the course of the game. So, either through Hughes,
advanced film study, or just whatever popped out to you
coach about who really did kind of stand out on
that defensive side of the ball. Maybe it was Jones,
maybe it was Lawrence, or maybe somebody else was the
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guy responsible for such a great defensive game.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yeah, I'll let you comment on this. I'll just say
that that they are They're getting a lot of activity
from their four pass rushers the four defensive linemen. And
when you can do that, then you can really fool
around behind them and do a bunch of stuff and
and they're they're good. And that's a credit to Mike
and his defenses and what he's doing. But there are
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not a lot of teams I don't think they can
apply that type of pressure with four people. Yeah, and
then when they bring another one or they mix it
up a little bit, they almost always get home against it.
And then then then then you get the poor young quarterback.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
You know it just.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
What a game, What a game to break in, what
a team to break in against. Yeah, and it was
not going to happen. It was not going to be good.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
It looked like a port chopping a lion's day.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Yeah, well, you know, Mike, there was a few occasions
where their role to justin Jefferson. I think one of
the things Chuck and answered your question might and Mike
certainly knows this. When you press, and that's a term
bump and run, it's man and man. If you if
you press a receiver a lot of the the playbook,
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it translates to a fade. A hits route will translate
to a fade, A quick out route will translate to
a skinny post, A twelve yard out route in some cases,
depending on the split, will will convert to a to
a fade route. So you the combination of when you
just press a guy and you take away the quick
game mic right then when you're having the pass rush
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that that the Seahawks were producing. That can really be
a big problem. And then I lauded Josh Uh Josh
Job on that interception that that Ernest Jones had, Mike,
it was it was justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Was the X.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
It was an X in speed cut, not not a
square but a speed in. And it was cover three.
Corner was off single high guys. Uh and uh and
and Josh Job was on the outside shoulder because of
the split and and where the balls on the the
near hals Mike, But I thought Josh Job had a
textbook clinic tape drive on the football, get his hand up,
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pop the ball in the air. Ernest Jones gets the interception.
That's got to be on paper as hard a duty
as there is in for a cornerback in the NFL
that man on that type of route in that coverage. Uh,
it was not cover three, it was it was over one.
Uh lurk with with Jones as the as the shallow
hole player, Mike, that was a hell of play by Joe.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
You know what it was.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
And uh, you give credit where credit is due. Excuse
me the but I will say this, if if I
have Jefferson, you know, and I have a privilege to
coach Jerry Rice and some of these guys. There is
no way, there is no way I'm gonna quit if
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they hold my guy, that guy to what you say,
chuck to catch your yards that you know. And then
I was critical of Jefferson and his affect on the
sidelines when he come over and sit on the on
the on the bench and stuff. But I guess now
that we're talking about it, I kind of feel I
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kind of feel for him because here's the acknowledge one
of the finest receivers in the league, and it's inexcusable
that they didn't have some thing they could pop him
a little bit and get him some catches. I just
think that I blame the offensive. I blame the offense
on that well.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
And I don't know how much time you guys spent
on this last week, but he also had to experience
the looking across the sideline and seeing the quarterback he
had last year, I know, playing for another team. I mean,
they could have franchise tag Sam Donald last year and
kept him around just to see if JJ McCarthy needed
another year or so, and they decided not to do that.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Well, you know what I did yesterday and shame on
me for doing this. And if you want to kick
me out, I will, I'll leave. When I saw that,
and I'm thinking, okay, they had Daniel Jones and Sam
Donald and they decided to do what they did, I'm going, okay,
who's making that decision? So I looked up the Minnesota
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you know, front office and their general manager. I don't
know him, he had been with the forty nine ers
for a while. But then I look at his strengths.
You know what his numbers one strength is and he's
an expert at this analytics. As soon as I saw that,
I threw my paper in the air, turned off my computer. Okay,
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it's like you and the officials. It's like you and
the officials and analytics.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Ye, he's an analytic herder.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
All right, One last segment with Coach and Hugh as
we wrap up Monday Morning Quarterback next on kJ R.
All right, vital segment with you Millon and with the
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do one last thing for coach. We go round the room.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Bucky start us off.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Well, we were just talking during the break a little
bit about analytics and how wonderful they are.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, none of us here are.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Absolutely married to them, even though they are useful tools.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I just wanted to ask. I slept with them the most.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah. Yeah, They've courted them a lot, taking them out dinner.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Yeah, you spend a lot of time, much bigger fan
than the rest of us, or than coach.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And I'll just say that.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
But one of those stats, and I don't understand how
they come up with these, but I think it's just
ranking and how you feel about them right now has
basically the Rams is the highest percentage chance to win
the Super Bowl at this point in time. Number two
in the NFL is the Seahawks. Out of the entire NFL.
I mean, they're better than any team that's in the
AFC at this point. When you're watching this team, would
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you consider them because a lot of people will be like, yeah,
and they I think they're better than the Rams based
on the one time they've met, even though they lost.
Would you say this is a one or two team
to win the super Bowl at this.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Point, I'm not ready to do that yet, because I
think that's it's too a little too early premature. They
still have to they still have to play the Rams,
they still have to play the forty nine ers. But
I think they'll be there. They'll be in the conversation
in a couple of weeks for sure. Uh but I think,
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you know, and you know what, to those the people
listening who and some who are analytic people, I apologize,
I do, but I'm not with you.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I'm not with you on that.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
So just know that, Coach, these guys, the people that
came up with these percentages, they put their Christmas tree
up before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Okay, I rest my case. We are in the same group.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
But I know, I wait, Buck, But but you know what,
I'm I'm on the bandwagon. I think they got a
real shot to get there.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Analytics by says like November eleventh and a half is
okay time for.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Christmas noon on November.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Analytics those are guys that, yeah, right, get in the
get in the thing and fly around the moon and
you know, and drop the presence.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Yeah, hey, what's one last thing?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Well, I have my beef with the analytics, but people
foot seas with them but I've never gone in for
that kiss. But you know, but my problem is that
they somehow think that it's just fine to have part
time officials and uh, and they like the toast post.
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So yeah, I got no time for them. But you know,
I actually, Mike, the topic of the day in the
football world is is Lane Kiffin his decisions on how
he's handled that situation? Be curious to hear your take. Now,
there's too many differences to enumerate, but but you've at
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least been in that situation in one sense, having been
the packer coach at contemplating the idea of taking the
Seahawk job. Uh, and and how that probably tuges on
you in a lot of different ways. Just just what
what is it like for a coach to be in
that situation? Nice to be wanted by multiple franchise and organizations,
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but what's it like? And then, specifically regarding Lane Kiffen,
what's your reaction to what has transpired of the last
day or two.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Well, I, you know, I was in that situation, and
the people some of the folks in Green Bay, like
I'm assuming some of the folks in Mississippi were upset
with that he's leaving. And when I left, the decision
I had to make was the it was no longer
just a coach. I was working for a great guy
and Ron Wolf, but Seattle had a chance to I
(38:31):
had a chance to expand my what my responsibilities were.
And it also was my DNA to help it come
in and maybe what I learned about myself is to
come in and try and fix something that was a
little bit broken that that appeal to me. In Lane's case,
I'm not surprised. I am surprised just a little bit
(38:54):
because Mississippi. I think he had done a great job there.
I think everyone's these guys a lot of money. I
don't know if it's dramatically different at LSU, but you know,
it's it's the business.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
And if he.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Thought it was time and he was ready to do that,
He's gone to a lot of places, you know, he's
been a lot of and my only concern was, and
you guys have met coaches and people. You're at a bank,
you're at a banquet. You're at a banquet and you're
going around. It's everyone has a glass of wines before
they sit down and eat, and you're going around talking
to people shaking hands and you see this person and
(39:33):
he's shaking your hand, but he's looking over your shoulder.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
He wants to see someone more important, you know.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
And and and I met I knew coaches like that too,
that if you're not, if you're focused on the next
job and not the job you have, you're not that.
I didn't like that so much. So I don't know him.
I wish him well, but I was a little bit surprised.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Refresh my memory when you did make the very difficult
decision to leave the Packers. Was it before the playoffs
or after the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
No, it was.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
I think, Uh uh it was it was after our
last game. Okay, you know, and I told you the
story I had. I had three I was gonna interview
it Baltimore and and uh Philadelphia the same week and
uh so you know it was crazy.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, all right, Well we'll wrap it up with that,
but thank you gentlemen. Awesome stuff as always. Uh and
we'll do it again, uh next week.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
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Quarterback comes to a close, Mark James and Christopher Kidd
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