December 10, 2025 • 36 mins
It’s wet out there! It’s official, Phillip Rivers has signed with the Colts and could legitimately be the backup QB when the Colts face the Seahawks on Sunday. It’s not about his age, it’s about the fact that he’s been out of the game for 5 years already; he’s on the Hall of Fame ballot for goodness sake! :30- Are bowl games done and should they be? With the ever-evolving landscape of college football, do bowl games even make sense? :45- We continue our bowl game conversation and Chuck has some thoughts on how bowl games could evolve if they were to keep them.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sometime.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Good morning, class, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Ladies and gentlemen, Old introducing six one guard from Brighton,
Illanois and former high school basketball stand What in the
hell does that mean?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yumped? Any conclusions?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Not a god, You've got to lower lower your expectations.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
I'm getting some Bucky Jacobson vibes and former I'll just
openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped X athlete.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Five seven guard and a former college water polo national champions.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
A lot of useless crap up here.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Wow, this is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with
Ashley Ryan.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:09):
Hey, good Wednesday morning to you. That's right, it's a
home day. Chuck Pole, Bucky Jacobson and Ashley Ryan with you.
We have assembled for a four hour radio program. We
take you till ten o'clock this morning, and we welcome
you into our hearts and to our minds and souls
on this wildly Wednesday. We got a great show plan
for you today. We'll map that out with what's on
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tap coming in a moment. Ashley, did you surf your
way into the station here today?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
And it wasn't too bad?
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I will say we've definitely had days where it's been
raining harder on the way to work.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
But there's just a lot of water out there.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
There's a lot of water, and then there are a
lot of people will afraid all the water, yeah, and
then there are a lot of people not afraid at all,
right water.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
And those people should maybe be a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Afraid, And it's a little terrifying at times.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
We just fly by and then spray it all on you.
That's the thing they don't realize.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
When you hit water going eighty you spray it on
the cars behind you or to the side of you,
and then they can't see.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You know what I like doing while I'm operating a
heavy piece of equipment at sixty miles per hour, driving blind, enjoying.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Yeah, it is fun. Sometimes I put an just to
see what it's like, bring a new element. It does.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Drive.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Otherwise it's like, oh God, I did the same thing here. Okay,
that was safe.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, I took a little longer than normal to get in,
so I'll save some time out there for all of
you out there, save a little bit of time because
you might need an extra five minutes, four and a half.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Yeah, I got here a little early and finished my
makeup in the car in the garage. Did you really Yeah,
I've been doing that lately.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yeah, it's just I'm like, oh that, don't leave my house.
Then I know I have plenty of time. And then
I finished down in the garage and then I come
on up.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It is one thing that I've never had to factor
into my morning play.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Doing your hair.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Uh yeah, well I used to have to, Like I
used to probably worry about my hair more than.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I should have.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Day Now I think back on like, why did I
ever spend one second wearring about my hair? Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
The good news is they're going to get cameras that
work in here soon, so then I'm going to be like, oh, great,
now I really have to worry.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yes, I should have just shaved my I should have
just shaved my head in high school. I really believe
that that is the one area where it's like, uh yeah, yeah,
you have some regrets in life, But I wish that
I wouldn't have worried about whether or not I had
the latest horrible hairdo.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah school, Yeah, without hair that I had hair. Uh yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, then then there was the awkward period of trying
to pretend that I had hair, like trying to maximize
what little hair that I had, and trying to like, ah,
how do I how do I wear this where I'm
not trying to do a comb over and I'm you know,
I'm not gallagher ing it or Michael boltoning it, but
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I at least one to not give into the head
shave too soon. So then I had that period of
time and even that I find silly.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Now, well that's the worst. Yeah, that's the worst.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Anybody that's like, if it's going, just just just let it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Go, hang on.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
It's a bad, bad look.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Mine was. Yeah, I didn't have that very long it
was going. And then it coincided with the first time
my mother had breast cancer and she's good to go
now for it for what it's worth. And and yet
so I shaved my head when I went home to
see her, and then it just didn't come back at all.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So it was starting to fade.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Shave my head, and it just quit like, well that
was it that you hope you enjoyed it while you
had it, which I did, I mean mullet, perm mullet
and all I enjoyed it while I had it. And
then now I was like, well, I guess that decision
has been made for me.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Remember back in nineteen ninety when you and I and
Philip Rivers were all at the malt shop together, Yeah,
same age, you know, talking about our mullets and wondering
what we should do with him. Seemed like some of
the fancier kids were starting to get rid of theirs.
We were wondering if that was jumping the gun a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah. Philip Hillis was.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Like, yeah, yeah, Philip lee this baby, oh man. We
always looked up to him, him being the older one
of the three of us, him being the senior and
me the junior and you the freshman.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, that was a good time.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Yeah, advice I should.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I mean, he knows a whole hell of a lot
more about it than I do.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Uh you know, there there there has.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Been a lot of talk about how old he is.
It's not how old he is. I mean he's forty
four years old. Tom Brady played till he was forty
four years old. Aaron Rodgers right now is forty two, right.
But they yeah, and so it's not really that he's
all that old. I mean the concern is how long
he's been away from the game. Yeah, and he's on
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the Hall of Fame ballot. I mean think about that.
You have to be out the finalists. Yeah, yeah, you
just to be all it doesn't matter if he's a finalist,
just to be on the ballot. Is that he's been
away from the game for what is that five years mandatory?
Five years before you can get on the on the ballot?
And man, I mean I've watched coaches try to come
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back after taking a couple of years off and the
game is like, oh boy, this is really sped up
on me. And so for a quarterback playing that position
to be away from that long, I mean, it's a
great story and I'm here for it. And I hope
he plays. I know he's not going to, but I
hope he plays against us on Sunday, but I look
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forward to I think he is gonna play. I don't
think he's going through all of this just to get
a break from his grandchildren. I think he's gonna play
at some point. I think that's the plan, is to
have him play. I don't think he's coming back to
the Indianapolis Colts and going through all of this just
to remain on the practice squad all year long. He
won't play Sunday. But I mean, I'm fascinated for the story.
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I hope he pulls it off. I hope he looks
good when he does come back. But my guess is,
and I have a hard time believing anybody wouldn't guess this,
that coming back after five years off, trying to pick
it up in the middle of the year facing today's
complex defenses. I mean, there was a story JJ Watts like, No,
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he knows the offense. He runs it on his high
school team as the coach. Well, he doesn't run it
against defenses in the national foot he doesn't run it
against Mike McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Of the world.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I have a feeling that it's going to be ugly
and it's just going to be too much. But hey,
I got a front row seat for this, the Philip
Rivers come back.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I'm all for watching it.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I think it'd be a cool story if it doesn't
absolutely flop whenever it is that he he steps on
the field. I mean, I would just think it would
take a second for those quick windows like he's been coaching.
So it's not like he doesn't isn't around the game.
I'm sure he still throws a football like he wouldn't
come back, like if he hadn't picked up a football
in five years.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like, yeah, I think I still got it.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You know, he still can probably shot put it as
well as he ever could, or as well as he
could when he left five years ago. He's probably still
got that. It's just the timing part of it, I think,
the understanding of it, and then what he'll be able
to do in a room with his coaches of hey,
this play, yes, that play no. I mean, because it's
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like any new quarterback. I mean when you put Riley
Leonard in there, if he hadn't gotten hurt, you were
gonna have to abbreviate things to some degree because he
hadn't been getting reps all season long. If it's a
guy that's on the practice squad, you're gonna have to
abbreviate things because there's a reason he was on the
practice squad. And so I think you abbreviate some degree.
He probably brings some stuff to the table, like, hey,
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this is a play that I've had every single year,
no matter who my offensive coordinator was. It works, you know.
I mean, like here, this is the philis quivers playbook.
I want to institute some of these things into.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Your call sheet.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
So I think that it's it's not completely unlikely that
it comes out there and does enough. Especially with a
good run game and a good defense, He's going to
know how to do that. It's just that, yeah, the
time away and the speed of the game. I would
have to think it's like going from an off season
to spring training. It just all of a sudden feels
like I didn't take any time off except for one
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off season where I still was training and everything felt
faster than it was did at the end of the season.
I mean, whether it's a throw that just feels harder
to catch her, just seeing pitches, you're like, man, I'm
not ready for an eighty nine Mondar slider right now,
there's no chance. And yet you know, two months fast
forwarded and all of a sudden you've seen a few
of them and it doesn't seem so daunting. So I
think that there's a chance he could come out and
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do it because that is a good team. It was
a good team. I think it's a good team. I
didn't know for sure, but at one point this season
they were rocking and rolling. So he might be able
to do it, but I wouldn't expect it would be
right off the bat. And if it was right off
the bat, after you know, five years off and five
days back in a locker room, if he was to play.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
This week, that would be a real uphill class. Yeah,
and I just can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
And I don't even think that that's even in the
discussion right now. Yeah, I think it's gonna be Brett
Rippen or Riley Leonard, if Riley Leonard can can rally.
But I mean if Riley Leonard can't play, he is
going to at very least be the backup because they
don't have another quarterback. I mean, their emergency quarterback on
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Sunday because Rippin was on the practice squad was Tyler Warren.
They're tied in because Tyler Warren played, took a few
snaps at quarterback at Penn State, and was a high
school quarterback. And so I mean, if Riley Leonard can't go.
He's gonna be on the sideline. And if Ripping goes
down and stranger things have happened than that, then Philip
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Rivers will trot out on the field on Sunday and
play for the Indianapolis Colts against Mike McDonald's defence. Good luck, brother, Oh, I.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Don't even be at that game yelling my ass off
for them to just annihilate him.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So you have no spot in your heart for the
old man coming back to the national foot.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Have a spot in my heart for anyone we're playing.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Wow, well I think you'll. I mean, that didn't even
be strange for me. If I'm Mike McDonald, like having
to prepare for him.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
What if they just go up and like touch him,
They're like you're okay.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, yeah, just go down, man.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I don't want to have to hurt you.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
They touch him and he just sits down.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I don't want to break your hip, man.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah they won't. Mike McDonald be like, hey, he wanted
to come back, that's right, that's what he's gonna do.
But it would be kind of it would be kind
of interesting if the d lineman first time he kind
of ran by him, like you better just hit the
deck because I will break your hip and you don't
have that button to call, Like I'm falling and I
can't get up.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, alert, But uh, nonetheless, I mean, heck of a story,
There's no question about it. And so I mean there
are there are dominoes that can fall between now and
the end of Sunday's game where Philip Rivers is back
playing in an NFL game. I mean that scenario does
exist out there. But and so I don't know how
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much time they'll spend preparing for that. If you're the Seahawks,
I don't think they're sweating him. I don't think that
they're going back. Oh go get me some old Philip
Rivers tape. I don't think Mike McDonald's pulling that one.
But nonetheless, I mean there is chance that we could
face him this Sunday, forty four years old, five years
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away from the game, and and I mean he's kept
his name up and out there that he's wanted to
come back for a while, and he was obviously quite
serious about it. So it's great. I mean I do
love the story, and and yeah, if he trots out
onto the field this Sunday, that's that's certainly going to
be worth watching. Daniel Jones, by the way, to him,
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I mean, think about how far I mean, this line's
now at like thirteen and a half, fourteen points.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I mean, it probably would have been four and a half.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, five and a half maybe the way they were playing,
because they were starting to decline. But it shows you
what a different Daniel Jones has made with the Indianapolis Colts.
Now the backup supposed to be Anthony Richardson, but he's
out too with his own weird injury. So I mean,
just think about all the events that had to take
place for Philip Rivers to possibly be facing the Seahawks
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on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah, and it's a cool story, I mean, and it's
kind of a last ditch hope, you know. I mean
Riley Leonard I think, but was decent apparently by a
lot of people's opinion before he got hurt when he
came in.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
He's not going to play this Sunday because Notre Dame
got left out of the playoff.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
That's oh, I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
He's perfectly healthy, just like Notre Dame's just boycotting all
football for a long while.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Yeah, it's ballsy, ballsy move kid, you get your opportunity,
want to take that one now. But he has a
grade one like pcl Sprain or something, So who knows
if he's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I've seen the.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Ripping kid play when he was like on the you know,
preseason roster with the Broncos, and it's not altogether horrible,
but at the same time, it's it's it's not it's
it's like, Okay, I can see why you were getting
to wear a uniform, and yet I've I can see
why you're not a starter, why you're not somebody that
was a franchise quarterback in anyone's eyes, And so give
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me uphill sledding for whoever it is that has to,
you know, take snaps against this defense.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
We've seen that all year.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, well, there's no getting around it. The Seahawks do
have the do receive their fair share of quarterback luck, if.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You want to look at it that way.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Well, in the past, so that wasn't luck, we'd still
lose to backup. So thank goodness, we're better now.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well, they seem to face Buggy and I have talked
about this for years. They seem to face more back
up quarterback you know, got injured the week before situation
than any other team in the sport. That's how it
seems they do. I've done the mask, oh have you?
So we'll talk about that a little bit later on
in the show. All right, let's find out what's on
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tap for the rest of the program.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
What's on TEP, what's on tech? All right?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Seahawks Colts Sunday at one twenty five here in Seattle.
Greg Bell will be joining us today at seven oh
five to give us the latest tier on a hump
day as we start to focus our attention on the
Indianapolis Colts, and maybe we will talk about something more
than Philip Rivers, because we do have to start breaking
down this opponent for the upcoming week. Week number fifteen
of the NFL season starts tomorrow night. It will be
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Atlanta at Tampa for Thursday Night football and for many people,
the start of the fantasy football season. Are you playing
anybody tomorrow?
Speaker 5 (15:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I got a Falcon, You got.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
A buck of air?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
No, I don't have any either team.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, I got Chris god Ashley and I are going
against one another in our playoff And a little history
on Ashley and I's fantasy football experience together.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I lose every time to her.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I hope you lose again.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, I beat Bucky every time. Ashley beats me every
time Bucky beats at Yeah, every day. It's kind of
the way it works. So the experts know this. That's
why I'm a considerable underdog going into the game. But
the website says we're dead even so we shall see.
I do have Chris Godwin Junior, but I don't trust
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him enough to play him in a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I could understand that college football, the LA Bowl is
this Saturday, and I don't really care about it, but
a lot of people do, and so we'll spend some
time previewing that as U dub gets at least gets
their bowl game out of the way quickly. They will
be playing this Saturday. Unlike some programs out there that
have decided to pass, Army Navy have not decided to.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Pass this year. They're going to play. Oh that's good.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm gonna checked in on that.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
They didn't get voted in, but they're okay, yeap breaking news.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Army and Navy will really exciting.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I would say I think that those were on the
fence on that at bit. Well, I just think those
two teams typically will go out from do this showdown. Yeah,
but I don't see one of them, Like, I don't
feel like it this year.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
It seems like I heard Mark James maybe give a
hot take about how Navy I.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I'm kidding Army Navy on Saturday. It's also the Heisman
Trophy is going to be rewarded on Saturday. It seems
like a foregone conclusion. I don't know if people trying
to convince themselves that there's there might be a surprise,
which would be fun. It's always fun. When's the last
time I got surprised by a Heisman Trophy winner. It's
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been a long time. Usually we get to Saturday and
we're pretty sure we know. But uh, there's a lot
of Diego Pavia talk this week. Rick new I said
that he'd vote for Diego Pavia over Fernando Mendoza. Mendoza
is the heavy favorite, and of course he got to
play an extra game, win a big game, and make
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the big play at the end of a big game,
which felt very highsmany and so I would suspect Mendoza
is gonna win it. But there is at least a
little bit of a murmur out there thinking that maybe
Diego Pavia could steal this from him on Saturday night.
We shall see. Isn't a grate that Vanderbilt and Indiana
have the two best players in the country. Whoever saw
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that coming? Major League Baseball Winter meetings continue. There was
actually some activity yesterday. Kyle Schwarber did sign with the
Philadelphia Phillies five years, one hundred and fifty million dollars.
Edwin Diaz is now a Dodger, leaving the New York
Mets for a record twenty three million dollars per year
over three seasons. And so the Dodgers get better on
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the back end, and they could really use it. I
mean it's really hard. Yeah, it's hard to watch them,
you know, with all the whole and the and how
difficult it is in that market to fill those holes. Yeah,
you know, so for them to finally get a closer man,
finally catch a break really, yeah, they caught.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
A break out. Yeah, good for the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Hora Polonco maybe asking for more money than what the
Mariners are comfortable giving him. We'll talk about that a
little bit later on in the show. The Major League
Baseball Lottery was held yesterday. The Chicago White Sox ended
up winning it. It is really a screwy system that
they've come up with, and yet I do kind of
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like the way that they do it.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Like you, if you.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Stay in the lottery, they punish you for not getting better.
Like the Colorado Rockies had the worst record by far,
they didn't even they weren't even given a chance to
get a top nine pick because the Major League Baseball's
new lottery rules said, you've been bad for too long,
start getting good. We're not going to keep rewarding you
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for sucking. And so I appreciate that. Now it seems
with all of these new rules, which it were impossible
to understand, is they were telling us about it on
television last night in the midst of a half hour show.
It does seem rife for being able to rig it
going forward and into the future. But I do kind
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of like the attempt. They also like teams that have
high pay rolls. You can only get a lottery ball once.
You can't get it in back to back year, so
the Angels weren't even given a shot at the number
one pick this year because it's they were like embarrassing
them that you spend all this money and you're this bad. Haha,
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Well we're not going to let you bail out by
getting draft picks. So they've created this scenario in which
a team that barely missed the playoffs like the Mariners
did the previous year, can get one of the top
six picks, maybe even the top overall. And they've also
created these other rules to punish teams for being bad
too long, and for teams that just spend lot and
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still can't be good. So it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I kind of like it.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Finally cracking Kings tonight at seven o'clock. Al Konisky's going
to join us at nine to thirty.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
But coming up.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Next, man, there are a few people out there cam
Cleland that are on a rampage about the Bowl game experience.
So we'll talk about it next. Are they dead? Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM just so fascinating, reckless
at breakfast today at seven forty five, and so much
more coming your way. There are a few people out
there on a rampage social media wise, media wise, I
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don't want to name any names. Cam Cleveland, but our
guy Cam may be the guy that's most on He's
challenging everybody out there to the notion that Bowl games
are are done. And so I disagree with Cam. I
love Cam, but I do believe that the Bowl games
are on their last leg. I think we and I
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predicted that this was going to come someday. So I'm
a little biased toward this conversation. But for all of
those that seem to be all upset that Notre Dame
has declined, maybe it was out of sour grapes and
that's a bit childish. But Iowa States said no, and
Kansas State said no, and Baylor has said no. There's
just there's just more at stake now. There's just more
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awareness of what's happening with these Bowl games than there
has been in the past, and there just doesn't seem
to be interest in it. Coaches are leaving before they
ever play in it. Players who have NFL futures are
opting out of them. I mean, even the tired conversation
about how it means so much to the boys, well, really,
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I mean, how many guys stayed together for four years
of college football in today's world, So we're going to
keep bowl games so that somebody who transferred three times
in the last five years, chasing nil money can play
one more game with the guy he's bunked with for
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six months. I just don't even buy that. I think
even that argument has gone by the wayside. So I
get that Cam Cleveland is still holding to it, but
I think it's because Cam Cleveland loved that about his
own personal experience. I just don't think that's the experience
anymore of college athletics, and I'm not gonna stand on
ceremony any longer. I think they're on their last leg,
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their last breath, and I wouldn't be surprised within the
last five years that we didn't even have bowl games period.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I mean, I don't think I fully agree with Cam,
but I don't fully agree with you. I think that
it's most certainly there's different circumstances and situations for all
these different guys, right, I mean, playing and simple. It
was hard when Christian McCaffrey's like, I don't want to
play in the bowl game because I'm like, what like,
because it was different, different and yet it was all
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it was different, and yet it was it's a smart decision.
You blow your knee out in a bowl game and
then it affects the rest of your career.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Jalen Smith.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yes, and so you I get that. So for that, okay,
I understand. If you're in that box, you're going on
to the next level and it's a meaningless bowl game.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Now. I mean if guys start when they start.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Bowing out of playoff games, national championship games because they're
worried about the future, well, then to some degree it's like, well,
at what point did you feel that they was solidified?
Was it game six of your senior season or your
junior season? And you're like, man, I'm done for the
rest here. I read mel Kuiper, he had me already
in the first round. I'm good because that to me
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is you're getting into something where this selfishness takes over.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
That's going to be used against them. Yeah, in their
football careers. There's no NFL GM that's not going to
bring up. You backed out of your team with a
national championship to play, we don't want you.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah, And so there's different there's different scenarios for different people.
There is some and I think this is where cams
come from to some degree. And I think his is
there's a little bit more of the ceremony of like,
no just playing and simple. These guys, these things have
to stick around because how good they are. And I
don't know if they're necessarily good. As a matter of fact,
a lot of them will certainly are not good. I'm
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not sure they've ever been good. I think some of
them are good. I think there is some. There's some
guys that flat out their last game, think about their
last game of the regular season, and they got six wins. Right,
They're not any good. Their team's not great, but they're
not atrocious. They've got the six wins and they know
they can get win more and their bowl eligible. And
there's some kids that can't wait to play in it
because it is going to be their final real football game.
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So but they're not going to keep it around just
for that. They're keeping it around because they have people
that will, you know, a pop tart will say hey,
we'll sponsor a bowl, and then the teams can get money.
And money is important to these teams even more so
than well, maybe not more so, but it's more necessary
now because they have to give some of that money
away to the guys that are actually out there playing.
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So I don't I think the idea of some of
the Bowl like maybe it might be lessened to some degree.
I think that there's going to be more teams that
are gonna opt out. It's unfortunate because I'd be willing
to bet on any team that opts out of it.
That is not unanimous when they opt out of it.
Just like if there's teams that decide know we're going
to play that that's not unanimous that there's some guys
that would rather like, I don't know, maybe I'm on
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the fringe. I might get to the combine and I
don't want to get hurt. And yet I we're not
that good. I'm not that big of a prospect to
just quit on my team.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
So let's use your Christian McCaffrey example, because once the
example is set, than others follow right. It started with
Christian McCaffrey, and everybody thought that was into the world
until the next year, ten guys did it, and the
next year forty guys did it, and it just keeps climbing,
and the same thing's going to happen with this. I
mean again, Notre Dame's not the only team that has
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opted out of this process. Four teams have opted out
of this process, three of them not because they felt
jilted by the College Football Playoff Committee. There's more at play,
and I think that maybe there is a way to
do a bowl game, which I'll get to in a moment,
that could be the new way to do bowl games
going forward.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
But the old way that it has.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Been done is dead and I don't think there's any
resuscitating it. And part of that reason. Another part of
that reason is, you know, we don't have the transfer window,
the transfer portal until the first of January. You got
teams that are getting ready to play bowl games, that
have seniors that have opted out, injured players that aren't available.
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They got to put a team on the field. They're
playing freshmen who no one in the country has seen,
and you're going to expose those players who you've kept
under wraps to a bidding war, potentially in the next
couple of weeks. Because your freshman wide receiver who was
a three star but you knew there were some great
things about him, caught one hundred and seventy two yards
(27:49):
worth of you know, yards against Kennesaw State and a
pooland weed Eater Bowl, and now you've lost them to
a bigger program. I mean there is a lot more
that they're having to protect, secretive information that they're having
to protect that we never had to deal with before.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
I do think that it is definitely the different levels,
right because I think looking at those players that it
is the ones.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
That are moving on to a different career. That's why
why it is important.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
And I think those are, you know, the majority of
a team, The majority of the team is not going
on to the NFL, the majority of your team is
done after college. But I can also understand, yeah, the
necessity of well, now we're fielding a team. Now all
of a sudden, we've got all these other things that
we're going to we have to consider in this new
world of college football, and maybe ball games don't fit in.
(28:37):
But I can definitely understand where Cam is coming from
and saying that they are still important.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
And I think they're important to the majority of the.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Team, not just the big names, and that's where I
think he's coming from.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
But but why is it important to play one more game.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
We don't do that in any other way.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
I think when you go when you go to a
bowl game, you don't.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Get done with a baseball season and just say well everything.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
They have a senior day. I mean in high school,
your senior basketball.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Day, that's your last day. Why is it that not
a last.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Well, but if you get the opportunity to play one
more after your senior day, like if.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
You protecting that, I don't know that's why that's important.
I mean, that's sweet, it's cute, But we obviously have
moved past that. We're now running this stuff like a business.
Why do we need to protect that ceremonial? Like I
said before, it's not like I mean, once upon a time,
it was four guys that are excuse me, fourteen guys
that have been together for four or five years, and
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let's play one more game for them. How many guys
together as a group even make it to their senior.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Sit thing has nothing to do with playing with your
the same guys. It's just playing and simple. If you
know that this is your last game possibly and then
you win it, and so then you get a possibility
at another game, that other game means something. I mean,
I Luckily I got to play beyond college. But had
I thought my last game in college was my last
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game and somebody gave me another opportunity to play, I
would have wanted to play in it.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Now.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
If you don't for whatever reason, because you know you're
going on, I don't fault them for making a smart
business choice there.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
If you don't because.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
You think the program like we don't want to give
away secrets, or with this little sneaky three star guy
that we had, I would be more worried about you
losing a recruit that you have because you have too
many guys that are they can't play or they're gonna
move on, and so you're gonna go out there and
just lay an a You're gonna look really really bad.
And then like this other three star guy that you're
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trying to bring in is like, I don't know if
I'm gonna go play there, because I mean, if that's
how who's gone next year and that's the team that
I'm going into, that doesn't seem like a place that
I want to go.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
All right, Well, there's more. I know we all have
more to say about us. We'll continue the conversation next
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. All right, Chuck Bile,
Buggy Jacobson, Ashley Ryan with you. Just picking up on
the conversation, I had said that I think the Bowl
games are not gonna record. I think that they are
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dinosaurs shivering in the snow. I think their days are numbered.
They might look differently. There might be a way to
preserve them, which hopefully I'll get some time to discuss
here in a little bit. But I would just ask again.
Bucky answered it. Ashley wanted to didn't get a chance to.
I mean, we don't you played baseball. They didn't preserve
the right for you to play another game when you're done,
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even though you wanted to do it. I just I'm
not gonna stop the wheels of progress just because we're
used to football players getting the chance to play another
game together. We don't do it in any other sport
or in any other walk of life. The only reason
we want to do it for these kids is it's
because we grew up with it.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Well, and I do think here's part of the problem.
We've been complaining about Bowl games for a couple of years, right,
They've just gone years. Yeah, they've just gotten out of
control with the amount of bowl games, and it seems like,
I mean, I don't think a team that wins seven
games should be.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
In a bowl.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
I do think they should be reserved for having a
better season. So I do think you could limit the
amount of bowl games that you have but still give
that opportunity because it is an experience, that's what it is.
It's not it is one extra game, but you get
the extra practices, the extra time with your team, and
you get the experience of going to the city where
the bowl game is right they go all out, they
have big festivities every night, and so it's not just
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the one game. It's the extra week of like a
bonding time with your team. And I again, I don't
know that that's necessarily the important thing for those guys
that are transferring every year and the big names that
are just going for the best opportunity and the most money.
It's for the guys that are the heart and soul
of the team that haven't left, aren't going somewhere else
for more money and are just there.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Well.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I just heard Brady Quinn talk about this this morning,
and granted he's he's been burned ye by the process
so he's not happy with college football right now. But
he said that his senior year, they went to a
bowl game that was beneath what they thought they should
have been, and they just treated it like a party.
And he said, what is why is that worth preserving?
I would ask the same thing, why is it worth
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preserving giving a bunch of seniors who've had a lot
better college experience than I had? Or you, well, you
probably had a pretty good one at USC But why
wage so hell bent on preserving a party week for
these guys just so they can bond together. Go bond
on your own.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Yeah, you know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I don't see that that being valuable enough to keep
it going. If that's the only reason that we're doing it,
then I don't think that's valuable enough. If the reason
is because coaches want the extra playing time, then let's
create a different type of bowl game. I've talked about
this and Reckless at Breakfast in the past. Let's talk
about one that seniors can't play in that you do
do it after the transfer portal window. Either do it
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after the transfer portal window, and let's showcase next season's players.
And I think that the fans would be more interested
in it. I think a freshman that didn't get to
play would be excited about that, and it would be
a we could replace the spring game, which seems to
be an encumbrance to the entire calendar college football calendar
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and the process. And so we just reserved that in January,
and we have bowl games in warm cities, and we
do it for the underclassmen who are going to stick
around with the program, and we just give people a
taste of what's coming next. I think that would be
far more interesting than making sure a bunch of seniors
who spent forty four years partying get the party one
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more time together on somebody else's dime.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah, I mean, I just don't understand. I don't understand
the I guess. I mean, you boycotted bowl games for
a long time, right, you just don't like them.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I don't know exactly why.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Well, it's because of the corruption. It's like you guys
are talking about. There were good bowl games. Yes, there
were good quality bowl games, but there was never any
good reason why we were having them.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
It was all money.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It was all money grip.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, and it still is and so to me.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But it wasn't always it wasn't ever going to the players,
and it hardly none of it was going to the players.
It was just and very little of it was actually
going to programs.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Most of it was being.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Pocketed by you know, fat cats in pastel suits that
wanted to.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I watched it happen.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
John Junker went to prison for it.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah, well, I think for what is worth.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
I mean, the good old days of college football, there
still was money being handed. I just know we weren't
knowing about it, right, Like some of the players are
getting paid there. There's been ugly stuff going on in
college football forever. To me, this is just if there's
there's money that these teams get for going and playing
in some silly bowl. There is some players on the
team that want to play, and if there's others that don't,
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they don't have to if the entire team decides not
to for whatever reason. Okay, if you come up with
that on your own, you don't want to go participate
in it. You don't want the paycheck, however big or
small it is, fine. I just there's I just don't
understand the I just want them all gone, except for
because they're still gonna always call whatever these playoff games
are they're gonna call.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Them a bowl game because they're gonna be.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
That's fine, they're going to be those are the only ones,
let sponsored by something. But I just don't understand that.
I don't want bowl games for you know, whoever's on
Nebraska's team this year that isn't going to play after this,
Like I don't want them to be able to play
in a game. I just don't understand the reason for
not wanting them to have an opportunity to play another game.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Well, I got a billion of them, but we don't
have time, all right. Greg Bell's Next Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 3 (00:03):
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Not a god, You've got to lower lower your expectations.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
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Speaker 4 (00:24):
I'm getting some Bucky Jacobson vibes and former I'll just
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Speaker 2 (01:09):
Hey, good Wednesday morning to you. That's right, it's a
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We have assembled for a four hour radio program. We
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you into our hearts and to our minds and souls
on this wildly Wednesday. We got a great show plan
for you today. We'll map that out with what's on
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tap coming in a moment. Ashley, did you surf your
way into the station here today?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
And it wasn't too bad?
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I will say we've definitely had days where it's been
raining harder on the way to work.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
But there's just a lot of water out there.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
There's a lot of water, and then there are a
lot of people will afraid all the water, yeah, and
then there are a lot of people not afraid at all,
right water.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
And those people should maybe be a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Afraid, And it's a little terrifying at times.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
We just fly by and then spray it all on you.
That's the thing they don't realize.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
When you hit water going eighty you spray it on
the cars behind you or to the side of you,
and then they can't see.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You know what I like doing while I'm operating a
heavy piece of equipment at sixty miles per hour, driving blind, enjoying.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Yeah, it is fun. Sometimes I put an just to
see what it's like, bring a new element. It does.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Drive.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Otherwise it's like, oh God, I did the same thing here. Okay,
that was safe.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, I took a little longer than normal to get in,
so I'll save some time out there for all of
you out there, save a little bit of time because
you might need an extra five minutes, four and a half.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Yeah, I got here a little early and finished my
makeup in the car in the garage. Did you really Yeah,
I've been doing that lately.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yeah, it's just I'm like, oh that, don't leave my house.
Then I know I have plenty of time. And then
I finished down in the garage and then I come
on up.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
It is one thing that I've never had to factor
into my morning play.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Doing your hair.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Uh yeah, well I used to have to, Like I
used to probably worry about my hair more than.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I should have.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Day Now I think back on like, why did I
ever spend one second wearring about my hair? Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
The good news is they're going to get cameras that
work in here soon, so then I'm going to be like, oh, great,
now I really have to worry.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yes, I should have just shaved my I should have
just shaved my head in high school. I really believe
that that is the one area where it's like, uh yeah, yeah,
you have some regrets in life, But I wish that
I wouldn't have worried about whether or not I had
the latest horrible hairdo.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah school, Yeah, without hair that I had hair. Uh yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, then then there was the awkward period of trying
to pretend that I had hair, like trying to maximize
what little hair that I had, and trying to like, ah,
how do I how do I wear this where I'm
not trying to do a comb over and I'm you know,
I'm not gallagher ing it or Michael boltoning it, but
(03:59):
I at least one to not give into the head
shave too soon. So then I had that period of
time and even that I find silly.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Now, well that's the worst. Yeah, that's the worst.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Anybody that's like, if it's going, just just just let it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Go, hang on.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
It's a bad, bad look.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Mine was. Yeah, I didn't have that very long it
was going. And then it coincided with the first time
my mother had breast cancer and she's good to go
now for it for what it's worth. And and yet
so I shaved my head when I went home to
see her, and then it just didn't come back at all.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So it was starting to fade.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Shave my head, and it just quit like, well that
was it that you hope you enjoyed it while you
had it, which I did, I mean mullet, perm mullet
and all I enjoyed it while I had it. And
then now I was like, well, I guess that decision
has been made for me.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Remember back in nineteen ninety when you and I and
Philip Rivers were all at the malt shop together, Yeah,
same age, you know, talking about our mullets and wondering
what we should do with him. Seemed like some of
the fancier kids were starting to get rid of theirs.
We were wondering if that was jumping the gun a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah. Philip Hillis was.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Like, yeah, yeah, Philip lee this baby, oh man. We
always looked up to him, him being the older one
of the three of us, him being the senior and
me the junior and you the freshman.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, that was a good time.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Yeah, advice I should.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I mean, he knows a whole hell of a lot
more about it than I do.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Uh you know, there there there has.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Been a lot of talk about how old he is.
It's not how old he is. I mean he's forty
four years old. Tom Brady played till he was forty
four years old. Aaron Rodgers right now is forty two, right.
But they yeah, and so it's not really that he's
all that old. I mean the concern is how long
he's been away from the game. Yeah, and he's on
(05:57):
the Hall of Fame ballot. I mean think about that.
You have to be out the finalists. Yeah, yeah, you
just to be all it doesn't matter if he's a finalist,
just to be on the ballot. Is that he's been
away from the game for what is that five years mandatory?
Five years before you can get on the on the ballot?
And man, I mean I've watched coaches try to come
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back after taking a couple of years off and the
game is like, oh boy, this is really sped up
on me. And so for a quarterback playing that position
to be away from that long, I mean, it's a
great story and I'm here for it. And I hope
he plays. I know he's not going to, but I
hope he plays against us on Sunday, but I look
(06:41):
forward to I think he is gonna play. I don't
think he's going through all of this just to get
a break from his grandchildren. I think he's gonna play
at some point. I think that's the plan, is to
have him play. I don't think he's coming back to
the Indianapolis Colts and going through all of this just
to remain on the practice squad all year long. He
won't play Sunday. But I mean, I'm fascinated for the story.
(07:05):
I hope he pulls it off. I hope he looks
good when he does come back. But my guess is,
and I have a hard time believing anybody wouldn't guess this,
that coming back after five years off, trying to pick
it up in the middle of the year facing today's
complex defenses. I mean, there was a story JJ Watts like, No,
(07:26):
he knows the offense. He runs it on his high
school team as the coach. Well, he doesn't run it
against defenses in the national foot he doesn't run it
against Mike McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Of the world.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I have a feeling that it's going to be ugly
and it's just going to be too much. But hey,
I got a front row seat for this, the Philip
Rivers come back.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I'm all for watching it.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I think it'd be a cool story if it doesn't
absolutely flop whenever it is that he he steps on
the field. I mean, I would just think it would
take a second for those quick windows like he's been coaching.
So it's not like he doesn't isn't around the game.
I'm sure he still throws a football like he wouldn't
come back, like if he hadn't picked up a football
in five years.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Like, yeah, I think I still got it.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You know, he still can probably shot put it as
well as he ever could, or as well as he
could when he left five years ago. He's probably still
got that. It's just the timing part of it, I think,
the understanding of it, and then what he'll be able
to do in a room with his coaches of hey,
this play, yes, that play no. I mean, because it's
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like any new quarterback. I mean when you put Riley
Leonard in there, if he hadn't gotten hurt, you were
gonna have to abbreviate things to some degree because he
hadn't been getting reps all season long. If it's a
guy that's on the practice squad, you're gonna have to
abbreviate things because there's a reason he was on the
practice squad. And so I think you abbreviate some degree.
He probably brings some stuff to the table, like, hey,
(08:50):
this is a play that I've had every single year,
no matter who my offensive coordinator was. It works, you know.
I mean, like here, this is the philis quivers playbook.
I want to institute some of these things into.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Your call sheet.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
So I think that it's it's not completely unlikely that
it comes out there and does enough. Especially with a
good run game and a good defense, He's going to
know how to do that. It's just that, yeah, the
time away and the speed of the game. I would
have to think it's like going from an off season
to spring training. It just all of a sudden feels
like I didn't take any time off except for one
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off season where I still was training and everything felt
faster than it was did at the end of the season.
I mean, whether it's a throw that just feels harder
to catch her, just seeing pitches, you're like, man, I'm
not ready for an eighty nine Mondar slider right now,
there's no chance. And yet you know, two months fast
forwarded and all of a sudden you've seen a few
of them and it doesn't seem so daunting. So I
think that there's a chance he could come out and
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do it because that is a good team. It was
a good team. I think it's a good team. I
didn't know for sure, but at one point this season
they were rocking and rolling. So he might be able
to do it, but I wouldn't expect it would be
right off the bat. And if it was right off
the bat, after you know, five years off and five
days back in a locker room, if he was to play.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
This week, that would be a real uphill class. Yeah,
and I just can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
And I don't even think that that's even in the
discussion right now. Yeah, I think it's gonna be Brett
Rippen or Riley Leonard, if Riley Leonard can can rally.
But I mean if Riley Leonard can't play, he is
going to at very least be the backup because they
don't have another quarterback. I mean, their emergency quarterback on
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Sunday because Rippin was on the practice squad was Tyler Warren.
They're tied in because Tyler Warren played, took a few
snaps at quarterback at Penn State, and was a high
school quarterback. And so I mean, if Riley Leonard can't go.
He's gonna be on the sideline. And if Ripping goes
down and stranger things have happened than that, then Philip
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Rivers will trot out on the field on Sunday and
play for the Indianapolis Colts against Mike McDonald's defence. Good luck, brother, Oh, I.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Don't even be at that game yelling my ass off
for them to just annihilate him.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So you have no spot in your heart for the
old man coming back to the national foot.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Have a spot in my heart for anyone we're playing.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Wow, well I think you'll. I mean, that didn't even
be strange for me. If I'm Mike McDonald, like having
to prepare for him.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
What if they just go up and like touch him,
They're like you're okay.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, yeah, just go down, man.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I don't want to have to hurt you.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
They touch him and he just sits down.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I don't want to break your hip, man.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah they won't. Mike McDonald be like, hey, he wanted
to come back, that's right, that's what he's gonna do.
But it would be kind of it would be kind
of interesting if the d lineman first time he kind
of ran by him, like you better just hit the
deck because I will break your hip and you don't
have that button to call, Like I'm falling and I
can't get up.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, alert, But uh, nonetheless, I mean, heck of a story,
There's no question about it. And so I mean there
are there are dominoes that can fall between now and
the end of Sunday's game where Philip Rivers is back
playing in an NFL game. I mean that scenario does
exist out there. But and so I don't know how
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much time they'll spend preparing for that. If you're the Seahawks,
I don't think they're sweating him. I don't think that
they're going back. Oh go get me some old Philip
Rivers tape. I don't think Mike McDonald's pulling that one.
But nonetheless, I mean there is chance that we could
face him this Sunday, forty four years old, five years
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away from the game, and and I mean he's kept
his name up and out there that he's wanted to
come back for a while, and he was obviously quite
serious about it. So it's great. I mean I do
love the story, and and yeah, if he trots out
onto the field this Sunday, that's that's certainly going to
be worth watching. Daniel Jones, by the way, to him,
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I mean, think about how far I mean, this line's
now at like thirteen and a half, fourteen points.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I mean, it probably would have been four and a half.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, five and a half maybe the way they were playing,
because they were starting to decline. But it shows you
what a different Daniel Jones has made with the Indianapolis Colts.
Now the backup supposed to be Anthony Richardson, but he's
out too with his own weird injury. So I mean,
just think about all the events that had to take
place for Philip Rivers to possibly be facing the Seahawks
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on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yeah, and it's a cool story, I mean, and it's
kind of a last ditch hope, you know. I mean
Riley Leonard I think, but was decent apparently by a
lot of people's opinion before he got hurt when he
came in.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
He's not going to play this Sunday because Notre Dame
got left out of the playoff.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
That's oh, I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
He's perfectly healthy, just like Notre Dame's just boycotting all
football for a long while.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Yeah, it's ballsy, ballsy move kid, you get your opportunity,
want to take that one now. But he has a
grade one like pcl Sprain or something, So who knows
if he's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I've seen the.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Ripping kid play when he was like on the you know,
preseason roster with the Broncos, and it's not altogether horrible,
but at the same time, it's it's it's not it's
it's like, Okay, I can see why you were getting
to wear a uniform, and yet I've I can see
why you're not a starter, why you're not somebody that
was a franchise quarterback in anyone's eyes, And so give
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me uphill sledding for whoever it is that has to,
you know, take snaps against this defense.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
We've seen that all year.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, well, there's no getting around it. The Seahawks do
have the do receive their fair share of quarterback luck, if.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You want to look at it that way.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Well, in the past, so that wasn't luck, we'd still
lose to backup. So thank goodness, we're better now.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Well, they seem to face Buggy and I have talked
about this for years. They seem to face more back
up quarterback you know, got injured the week before situation
than any other team in the sport. That's how it
seems they do. I've done the mask, oh have you?
So we'll talk about that a little bit later on
in the show. All right, let's find out what's on
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tap for the rest of the program.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
What's on TEP, what's on tech? All right?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Seahawks Colts Sunday at one twenty five here in Seattle.
Greg Bell will be joining us today at seven oh
five to give us the latest tier on a hump
day as we start to focus our attention on the
Indianapolis Colts, and maybe we will talk about something more
than Philip Rivers, because we do have to start breaking
down this opponent for the upcoming week. Week number fifteen
of the NFL season starts tomorrow night. It will be
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Atlanta at Tampa for Thursday Night football and for many people,
the start of the fantasy football season. Are you playing
anybody tomorrow?
Speaker 5 (15:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I got a Falcon, You got.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
A buck of air?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
No, I don't have any either team.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, I got Chris god Ashley and I are going
against one another in our playoff And a little history
on Ashley and I's fantasy football experience together.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I lose every time to her.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
I hope you lose again.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, I beat Bucky every time. Ashley beats me every
time Bucky beats at Yeah, every day. It's kind of
the way it works. So the experts know this. That's
why I'm a considerable underdog going into the game. But
the website says we're dead even so we shall see.
I do have Chris Godwin Junior, but I don't trust
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him enough to play him in a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I could understand that college football, the LA Bowl is
this Saturday, and I don't really care about it, but
a lot of people do, and so we'll spend some
time previewing that as U dub gets at least gets
their bowl game out of the way quickly. They will
be playing this Saturday. Unlike some programs out there that
have decided to pass, Army Navy have not decided to.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Pass this year. They're going to play. Oh that's good.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm gonna checked in on that.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
They didn't get voted in, but they're okay, yeap breaking news.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Army and Navy will really exciting.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I would say I think that those were on the
fence on that at bit. Well, I just think those
two teams typically will go out from do this showdown. Yeah,
but I don't see one of them, Like, I don't
feel like it this year.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
It seems like I heard Mark James maybe give a
hot take about how Navy I.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I'm kidding Army Navy on Saturday. It's also the Heisman
Trophy is going to be rewarded on Saturday. It seems
like a foregone conclusion. I don't know if people trying
to convince themselves that there's there might be a surprise,
which would be fun. It's always fun. When's the last
time I got surprised by a Heisman Trophy winner. It's
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been a long time. Usually we get to Saturday and
we're pretty sure we know. But uh, there's a lot
of Diego Pavia talk this week. Rick new I said
that he'd vote for Diego Pavia over Fernando Mendoza. Mendoza
is the heavy favorite, and of course he got to
play an extra game, win a big game, and make
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the big play at the end of a big game,
which felt very highsmany and so I would suspect Mendoza
is gonna win it. But there is at least a
little bit of a murmur out there thinking that maybe
Diego Pavia could steal this from him on Saturday night.
We shall see. Isn't a grate that Vanderbilt and Indiana
have the two best players in the country. Whoever saw
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that coming? Major League Baseball Winter meetings continue. There was
actually some activity yesterday. Kyle Schwarber did sign with the
Philadelphia Phillies five years, one hundred and fifty million dollars.
Edwin Diaz is now a Dodger, leaving the New York
Mets for a record twenty three million dollars per year
over three seasons. And so the Dodgers get better on
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the back end, and they could really use it. I
mean it's really hard. Yeah, it's hard to watch them,
you know, with all the whole and the and how
difficult it is in that market to fill those holes. Yeah,
you know, so for them to finally get a closer man,
finally catch a break really, yeah, they caught.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
A break out. Yeah, good for the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Hora Polonco maybe asking for more money than what the
Mariners are comfortable giving him. We'll talk about that a
little bit later on in the show. The Major League
Baseball Lottery was held yesterday. The Chicago White Sox ended
up winning it. It is really a screwy system that
they've come up with, and yet I do kind of
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like the way that they do it.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Like you, if you.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Stay in the lottery, they punish you for not getting better.
Like the Colorado Rockies had the worst record by far,
they didn't even they weren't even given a chance to
get a top nine pick because the Major League Baseball's
new lottery rules said, you've been bad for too long,
start getting good. We're not going to keep rewarding you
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for sucking. And so I appreciate that. Now it seems
with all of these new rules, which it were impossible
to understand, is they were telling us about it on
television last night in the midst of a half hour show.
It does seem rife for being able to rig it
going forward and into the future. But I do kind
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of like the attempt. They also like teams that have
high pay rolls. You can only get a lottery ball once.
You can't get it in back to back year, so
the Angels weren't even given a shot at the number
one pick this year because it's they were like embarrassing
them that you spend all this money and you're this bad. Haha,
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Well we're not going to let you bail out by
getting draft picks. So they've created this scenario in which
a team that barely missed the playoffs like the Mariners
did the previous year, can get one of the top
six picks, maybe even the top overall. And they've also
created these other rules to punish teams for being bad
too long, and for teams that just spend lot and
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still can't be good. So it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I kind of like it.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Finally cracking Kings tonight at seven o'clock. Al Konisky's going
to join us at nine to thirty.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
But coming up.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Next, man, there are a few people out there cam
Cleland that are on a rampage about the Bowl game experience.
So we'll talk about it next. Are they dead? Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM just so fascinating, reckless
at breakfast today at seven forty five, and so much
more coming your way. There are a few people out
there on a rampage social media wise, media wise, I
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don't want to name any names. Cam Cleveland, but our
guy Cam may be the guy that's most on He's
challenging everybody out there to the notion that Bowl games
are are done. And so I disagree with Cam. I
love Cam, but I do believe that the Bowl games
are on their last leg. I think we and I
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predicted that this was going to come someday. So I'm
a little biased toward this conversation. But for all of
those that seem to be all upset that Notre Dame
has declined, maybe it was out of sour grapes and
that's a bit childish. But Iowa States said no, and
Kansas State said no, and Baylor has said no. There's
just there's just more at stake now. There's just more
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awareness of what's happening with these Bowl games than there
has been in the past, and there just doesn't seem
to be interest in it. Coaches are leaving before they
ever play in it. Players who have NFL futures are
opting out of them. I mean, even the tired conversation
about how it means so much to the boys, well, really,
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I mean, how many guys stayed together for four years
of college football in today's world, So we're going to
keep bowl games so that somebody who transferred three times
in the last five years, chasing nil money can play
one more game with the guy he's bunked with for
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six months. I just don't even buy that. I think
even that argument has gone by the wayside. So I
get that Cam Cleveland is still holding to it, but
I think it's because Cam Cleveland loved that about his
own personal experience. I just don't think that's the experience
anymore of college athletics, and I'm not gonna stand on
ceremony any longer. I think they're on their last leg,
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their last breath, and I wouldn't be surprised within the
last five years that we didn't even have bowl games period.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I mean, I don't think I fully agree with Cam,
but I don't fully agree with you. I think that
it's most certainly there's different circumstances and situations for all
these different guys, right, I mean, playing and simple. It
was hard when Christian McCaffrey's like, I don't want to
play in the bowl game because I'm like, what like,
because it was different, different and yet it was all
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it was different, and yet it was it's a smart decision.
You blow your knee out in a bowl game and
then it affects the rest of your career.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Jalen Smith.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yes, and so you I get that. So for that, okay,
I understand. If you're in that box, you're going on
to the next level and it's a meaningless bowl game.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Now. I mean if guys start when they start.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Bowing out of playoff games, national championship games because they're
worried about the future, well, then to some degree it's like, well,
at what point did you feel that they was solidified?
Was it game six of your senior season or your
junior season? And you're like, man, I'm done for the
rest here. I read mel Kuiper, he had me already
in the first round. I'm good because that to me
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is you're getting into something where this selfishness takes over.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
That's going to be used against them. Yeah, in their
football careers. There's no NFL GM that's not going to
bring up. You backed out of your team with a
national championship to play, we don't want you.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah, And so there's different there's different scenarios for different people.
There is some and I think this is where cams
come from to some degree. And I think his is
there's a little bit more of the ceremony of like,
no just playing and simple. These guys, these things have
to stick around because how good they are. And I
don't know if they're necessarily good. As a matter of fact,
a lot of them will certainly are not good. I'm
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not sure they've ever been good. I think some of
them are good. I think there is some. There's some
guys that flat out their last game, think about their
last game of the regular season, and they got six wins. Right,
They're not any good. Their team's not great, but they're
not atrocious. They've got the six wins and they know
they can get win more and their bowl eligible. And
there's some kids that can't wait to play in it
because it is going to be their final real football game.
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So but they're not going to keep it around just
for that. They're keeping it around because they have people
that will, you know, a pop tart will say hey,
we'll sponsor a bowl, and then the teams can get money.
And money is important to these teams even more so
than well, maybe not more so, but it's more necessary
now because they have to give some of that money
away to the guys that are actually out there playing.
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So I don't I think the idea of some of
the Bowl like maybe it might be lessened to some degree.
I think that there's going to be more teams that
are gonna opt out. It's unfortunate because I'd be willing
to bet on any team that opts out of it.
That is not unanimous when they opt out of it.
Just like if there's teams that decide know we're going
to play that that's not unanimous that there's some guys
that would rather like, I don't know, maybe I'm on
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the fringe. I might get to the combine and I
don't want to get hurt. And yet I we're not
that good. I'm not that big of a prospect to
just quit on my team.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
So let's use your Christian McCaffrey example, because once the
example is set, than others follow right. It started with
Christian McCaffrey, and everybody thought that was into the world
until the next year, ten guys did it, and the
next year forty guys did it, and it just keeps climbing,
and the same thing's going to happen with this. I
mean again, Notre Dame's not the only team that has
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opted out of this process. Four teams have opted out
of this process, three of them not because they felt
jilted by the College Football Playoff Committee. There's more at play,
and I think that maybe there is a way to
do a bowl game, which I'll get to in a moment,
that could be the new way to do bowl games
going forward.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
But the old way that it has.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Been done is dead and I don't think there's any
resuscitating it. And part of that reason. Another part of
that reason is, you know, we don't have the transfer window,
the transfer portal until the first of January. You got
teams that are getting ready to play bowl games, that
have seniors that have opted out, injured players that aren't available.
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They got to put a team on the field. They're
playing freshmen who no one in the country has seen,
and you're going to expose those players who you've kept
under wraps to a bidding war, potentially in the next
couple of weeks. Because your freshman wide receiver who was
a three star but you knew there were some great
things about him, caught one hundred and seventy two yards
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worth of you know, yards against Kennesaw State and a
pooland weed Eater Bowl, and now you've lost them to
a bigger program. I mean there is a lot more
that they're having to protect, secretive information that they're having
to protect that we never had to deal with before.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
I do think that it is definitely the different levels,
right because I think looking at those players that it
is the ones.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
That are moving on to a different career. That's why
why it is important.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
And I think those are, you know, the majority of
a team, The majority of the team is not going
on to the NFL, the majority of your team is
done after college. But I can also understand, yeah, the
necessity of well, now we're fielding a team. Now all
of a sudden, we've got all these other things that
we're going to we have to consider in this new
world of college football, and maybe ball games don't fit in.
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But I can definitely understand where Cam is coming from
and saying that they are still important.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
And I think they're important to the majority of the.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Team, not just the big names, and that's where I
think he's coming from.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
But but why is it important to play one more game.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
We don't do that in any other way.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
I think when you go when you go to a
bowl game, you don't.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Get done with a baseball season and just say well everything.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
They have a senior day. I mean in high school,
your senior basketball.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Day, that's your last day. Why is it that not
a last.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Well, but if you get the opportunity to play one
more after your senior day, like if.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
You protecting that, I don't know that's why that's important.
I mean, that's sweet, it's cute, But we obviously have
moved past that. We're now running this stuff like a business.
Why do we need to protect that ceremonial? Like I
said before, it's not like I mean, once upon a time,
it was four guys that are excuse me, fourteen guys
that have been together for four or five years, and
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let's play one more game for them. How many guys
together as a group even make it to their senior.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Sit thing has nothing to do with playing with your
the same guys. It's just playing and simple. If you
know that this is your last game possibly and then
you win it, and so then you get a possibility
at another game, that other game means something. I mean,
I Luckily I got to play beyond college. But had
I thought my last game in college was my last
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game and somebody gave me another opportunity to play, I
would have wanted to play in it.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Now.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
If you don't for whatever reason, because you know you're
going on, I don't fault them for making a smart
business choice there.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
If you don't because.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
You think the program like we don't want to give
away secrets, or with this little sneaky three star guy
that we had, I would be more worried about you
losing a recruit that you have because you have too
many guys that are they can't play or they're gonna
move on, and so you're gonna go out there and
just lay an a You're gonna look really really bad.
And then like this other three star guy that you're
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trying to bring in is like, I don't know if
I'm gonna go play there, because I mean, if that's
how who's gone next year and that's the team that
I'm going into, that doesn't seem like a place that
I want to go.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
All right, Well, there's more. I know we all have
more to say about us. We'll continue the conversation next
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. All right, Chuck Bile,
Buggy Jacobson, Ashley Ryan with you. Just picking up on
the conversation, I had said that I think the Bowl
games are not gonna record. I think that they are
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dinosaurs shivering in the snow. I think their days are numbered.
They might look differently. There might be a way to
preserve them, which hopefully I'll get some time to discuss
here in a little bit. But I would just ask again.
Bucky answered it. Ashley wanted to didn't get a chance to.
I mean, we don't you played baseball. They didn't preserve
the right for you to play another game when you're done,
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even though you wanted to do it. I just I'm
not gonna stop the wheels of progress just because we're
used to football players getting the chance to play another
game together. We don't do it in any other sport
or in any other walk of life. The only reason
we want to do it for these kids is it's
because we grew up with it.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Well, and I do think here's part of the problem.
We've been complaining about Bowl games for a couple of years, right,
They've just gone years. Yeah, they've just gotten out of
control with the amount of bowl games, and it seems like,
I mean, I don't think a team that wins seven
games should be.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
In a bowl.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
I do think they should be reserved for having a
better season. So I do think you could limit the
amount of bowl games that you have but still give
that opportunity because it is an experience, that's what it is.
It's not it is one extra game, but you get
the extra practices, the extra time with your team, and
you get the experience of going to the city where
the bowl game is right they go all out, they
have big festivities every night, and so it's not just
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the one game. It's the extra week of like a
bonding time with your team. And I again, I don't
know that that's necessarily the important thing for those guys
that are transferring every year and the big names that
are just going for the best opportunity and the most money.
It's for the guys that are the heart and soul
of the team that haven't left, aren't going somewhere else
for more money and are just there.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Well.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I just heard Brady Quinn talk about this this morning,
and granted he's he's been burned ye by the process
so he's not happy with college football right now. But
he said that his senior year, they went to a
bowl game that was beneath what they thought they should
have been, and they just treated it like a party.
And he said, what is why is that worth preserving?
I would ask the same thing, why is it worth
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preserving giving a bunch of seniors who've had a lot
better college experience than I had? Or you, well, you
probably had a pretty good one at USC But why
wage so hell bent on preserving a party week for
these guys just so they can bond together. Go bond
on your own.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Yeah, you know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I don't see that that being valuable enough to keep
it going. If that's the only reason that we're doing it,
then I don't think that's valuable enough. If the reason
is because coaches want the extra playing time, then let's
create a different type of bowl game. I've talked about
this and Reckless at Breakfast in the past. Let's talk
about one that seniors can't play in that you do
do it after the transfer portal window. Either do it
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after the transfer portal window, and let's showcase next season's players.
And I think that the fans would be more interested
in it. I think a freshman that didn't get to
play would be excited about that, and it would be
a we could replace the spring game, which seems to
be an encumbrance to the entire calendar college football calendar
(34:05):
and the process. And so we just reserved that in January,
and we have bowl games in warm cities, and we
do it for the underclassmen who are going to stick
around with the program, and we just give people a
taste of what's coming next. I think that would be
far more interesting than making sure a bunch of seniors
who spent forty four years partying get the party one
(34:25):
more time together on somebody else's dime.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah, I mean, I just don't understand. I don't understand
the I guess. I mean, you boycotted bowl games for
a long time, right, you just don't like them.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I don't know exactly why.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Well, it's because of the corruption. It's like you guys
are talking about. There were good bowl games. Yes, there
were good quality bowl games, but there was never any
good reason why we were having them.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
It was all money.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It was all money grip.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, and it still is and so to me.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But it wasn't always it wasn't ever going to the players,
and it hardly none of it was going to the players.
It was just and very little of it was actually
going to programs.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Most of it was being.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Pocketed by you know, fat cats in pastel suits that
wanted to.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I watched it happen.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
John Junker went to prison for it.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah, well, I think for what is worth.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
I mean, the good old days of college football, there
still was money being handed. I just know we weren't
knowing about it, right, Like some of the players are
getting paid there. There's been ugly stuff going on in
college football forever. To me, this is just if there's
there's money that these teams get for going and playing
in some silly bowl. There is some players on the
team that want to play, and if there's others that don't,
(35:38):
they don't have to if the entire team decides not
to for whatever reason. Okay, if you come up with
that on your own, you don't want to go participate
in it. You don't want the paycheck, however big or
small it is, fine. I just there's I just don't
understand the I just want them all gone, except for
because they're still gonna always call whatever these playoff games
are they're gonna call.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Them a bowl game because they're gonna be.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
That's fine, they're going to be those are the only ones,
let sponsored by something. But I just don't understand that.
I don't want bowl games for you know, whoever's on
Nebraska's team this year that isn't going to play after this,
Like I don't want them to be able to play
in a game. I just don't understand the reason for
not wanting them to have an opportunity to play another game.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Well, I got a billion of them, but we don't
have time, all right. Greg Bell's Next Sports Radio ninety
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