December 10, 2025 • 35 mins
Headlines and 12th Man News with GREGG BELL (Tacoma News Tribune) Will Phillip Rivers actually play for the Colts on Sunday against the Seahawks? How will the O-line adjust with the return of Jalen Sundell? :30- It appears that the negotiations between the Mariners and Jorge Polanco aren’t going as smoothly as we’d hoped with Jorge and his agent perhaps asking for more than the Mariners are comfortable with, but should they step out of their comfort zone just a bit? :45- Chuck gets Reckless at Breakfast and fixes college football in 7 minutes. You’re welcome.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Let's go back in time a little bit. We've had
a lot of SEC guys on here. They've never admitted it,
but we all know that SEC was an I L
before an I.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
You know, hey, hey, what's work? Way past it?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Queen?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Now just admitt it?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Good?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Hey, going, I say, coach, you know you've been not
a coaching for a while, And though, how do you
adjust at N I L?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
So, well, it's a minor adjustment. What do you mean
I said?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Back then we used to walk through the back door
to cash.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Now we just got to walk through the foot door.
You unmistakable that orser on on busting with the boys.
Is that what that is? Correct?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Taylor Lawan and uh now Will Compton all right.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Seven o'clock hour, Chuck Buck and Ashley with you. We
roll in Reckless at Breakfast. Coming a little bit later
on this hour. Also Greg Bell in a matter of
seconds to talk about the Seahawks and the coming up
this Sunday. But first let me rip through your headlines.
Brought to you by Frost Brewed Corps Light Choose Chill,
hump Day, Seahawks Colts Sunday I won twenty five. Philip
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Rivers was signed to the practice squad yesterday, and yeah,
there's no plan for him to play against the Seahawks,
but if Riley Leonard cannot go, they're gonna have to
field a backup quarterback on the roster, and that means
you're one injury away from Yes, Philip Rivers playing against
the Seahawks this Sunday. We'll talk more about that with
Craig coming up here in a minute. Week fifteen of
(01:33):
the National Football League season. Thursday night football Falcons at
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers will get it started. College football,
The La Bowl will be played this Saturday. Army Navy
Week and Heisman Trophy also being announced today or see
me on Saturday as well. The Major League Baseball Winter
(01:53):
Meetings continue. Kyle Schwarber is a Philly still. Edwin Diaz,
former Mariner, has moved from the Mets to the Dodgers,
really the only two moves that have been made at
the entire Winter meetings. There are rumblings that are a
Polanco and his agent are asking for too much money
and for too many years from the Mariners, so that
they are seriously contemplating Plan B in that area. We'll
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talk more about that later on this hour as well.
White Sox won the MLB Lottery, the new fangled MLB Lottery.
They do it in a much different way these days.
It's far too complicated to explain in a short period
of time. Just know that the White Sox ended up
with the number one pick this year and the Kraken
in Action trying to snap a six game losing streak
(02:37):
tonight at home against the Los Angeles Kings. Al Kiniski
will join us to discuss the drought today at nine thirty.
Those are your headlines. It's time to chat with Greg Bell.
With the bell tolls.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
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Speaker 1 (03:05):
Now with Man Dues, here's Greg Bell with Chuck and Bud.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Good morning, Greg, Good morning.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Uh god, I was gonna jump right into Philip Rivers talk,
but let's make sure we have some beat Navy talk
before we start.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Let it move on.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Just we have to set that as a fact today, Okay,
Philip Rivers.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
How many know how many of your how many of
your guys are going to be there?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
How many?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
How many of your buddies are waiting for you? And
uh for this game this weekend.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
The best man in my wedding and my roommate for
two semesters is that's the main attraction for us, and
our families are tight, and then we're going to see him,
and then it's usually about a dozen guys I haven't
seen a while. Oh yeah, so it is. It is
quite a party and it's sweet. What the great thing
(04:00):
is when we see each other, it's like we've seen
each other yesterday, because we're still tight and gone through
quite a bit together, and our spouses and families always
amazed about Wait a minute, he said, you haven't seen
this guy in twenty years.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Yeah, kind of work.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
When you were all kids to get kids, at one
point in your life, did you look up to Philip
Rivers and how good a football player he was back
when you were children.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Back when my when my mom and dad were watching.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, I was a Philip Rivers one of your dad's
favorite growing up.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I think Philip Rivers and Terry brad Joe played against
each other.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
You know, yesterday we talked about it, and at first,
Bucky and I both agreed at first, there's no way
he's gonna be ready for Sunday.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
But then when I started.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Looking into this, he's a high school football coach.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
You may have talked about this. He's a high school
football coach at Saint.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Michael and Pharaoh, Alabama. He coaches his Philip Rivers coaches
his son there. His son is a four five star
rated quarterback recruited by Auburn and others, and they run
Shane Steiken's offense. And I didn't realize that Steiken had
been his quarterback coach for as long as he had
with the Chargers six years, and in the last year
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and a half of that, well, the last season of that,
he was the offensive coordinator and play caller for Rivers
and the Chargers, and then that was twenty nineteen. Steiken
took over full time as the offensive coordinate in twenty twenty,
but that was the year the only year that Rivers
played for the Colts, and then he retired or supposedly
so after the twenty twenty season. But the point is,
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not only does he know Steiken's offense, he calls it
and runs it in high school four A Alabama Class
four A, not podunk football, big time Alabama.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
High school football, Class four A.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
They went thirteen and oh this year, and then they
lost two weeks ago in the second round of the
state playoffs. And in doing so, he has been throwing
the ball around. JJ Watt, of course, all pro at
dresser and now a CBS game analyst, said he learned
in a production meeting yesterday that Philip Rivers has been
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chucking the ball around in those practices with his son
in addition to running stain Stecken's offense. So Watt said,
there will be no run up in learning this off
it here. He knows it, and he's been throwing the
ball somewhat regularly, and so he's not just been sitting
on the couch for the five years since he last played.
Of course, he has ten kids and a grandkid, so
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we're not gonna be sitting on the couch anyway. But
the point is, I'm beginning to believe Philip Rivers, at
age forty four during the holidays in Alabama, is not
going to get on a plane and go to Seattle
to not play to back up Riley Leonard or Brett
Ribbon or anybody. It's lining up to me that he's
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playing Sunday. Wow, which man is that? I just don't
see him not playing in the culture and such dire
straights they have to win. They've lost four to last five,
to go from seven to one to eight and five
and on the edge of the playoff race in the AIRC.
They wouldn't have done this move now if they didn't
think he could play right now now that they didn't
sign me the active roster because okay, let's see it.
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Let's see him in person day to day, and if
he's casted, it will leve date him from the practice bttle,
Let's not use a roster spot on him just yet.
But guys, this may become the most interesting NFL game
of the season and in many seasons in regular season anyway.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Yeah, it's going to be interesting, and I think it'd
be great if he somehow figures our way to suit
up just to see the theater that will ensue good luck,
because it's not an easy task going back into the NFL,
especially against Mike McDonald in this defense. But I would
just one more on that. I mean, I agree, I
think there's no way ifansibots that he still has been
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throwing the ball, and you know he can probably still
shot and put it the way he does, you know,
back in twenty twenty when he last played. I think
the mental side of understanding the offense. Yep, he's calling
the offense, not necessarily playing it. But the speed of
the game, right, I mean, just to me, I've talked
a lot of times before about you just take the
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off season off and all of a sudden, everything is different.
It takes a couple of weeks to get acclimated to
just how hard the ball is coming in when you
get back to spring training, and so speed wise of
the game. I mean, have you ever seen anybody miss
just a year and then when they come back, you know,
you're watching them at practice and things look rusty, but
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it's like because of the speed, not necessarily because of
lack of repetitions.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Marshawn lens he signed with the Seahawks and Christmas Eve
twenty nineteen, and that's the famous press conference when I
asked him why he came back and he said, Mary
New Year, he pulled an Eddie Murphy come into America.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Me.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
That's one of my favorite moments with him.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I he so when I watched him in practices that
week we could only watch him at the beginning of practices,
he did look like, Okay, it's gonna take him a
little bit to roll into this, and he played that week.
Now that's a running back. But to Bucky's point, but Bucky,
could you take a year off and then come back
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and see the difference here with the Rivers is he
took five years off and then he's coming back in
the playoff run in December with no training camp, no
run ups at all. Could you come in to September
after being off just a year and hit a major
league fastball.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
No, that's what I'm saying. The timing wise, I couldn't
even though on my body if my body back in
the day was still good enough to actually swing the
bat at the speed I need to do it, No,
the timing wouldn't be there.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
That's the whole thing.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
I don't think anything mentally, and I think enough physically.
It will be fine with him because we've seen it before.
Guys that are older can can play quarterback. But it's
the timing part of it that I would feel would
be toughest to figure out.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, here's what the Colts and Saint Stichen are thinking.
Is that possible gap in timing worse than having Riley
Leonard hurt right or Brett Rippon start. And I bet
they're thinking, no, I'll take a forty four year old
Hall of Fame grandpa who was one of the best
of his generation, even five years removed from that over
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those two with the season on the line. That seems
to be the calculus that they're thinking in the Colts
headquarters right now, do we just roll with it and
see if he can catch up the speed during the game.
Let's hand it to Jonathan Taylor a few times in
the first half of the game so he can get
his field feet under him, throw a couple of screens
and dump offfs and then get gone. And that seems to.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Be what they're thinking about. I just you don't do.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
This with this in these situations, with this few games
and the way the Colts are headed and how they
have to win now in the next four weeks. You
don't do that now if you're not going to play
him now, That's what I'm starting to think about. As
preposterous as all this is, it might be their best option. Now,
having said all this, if you're Mike McDonald and the Seahawks,
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what are you thinking? And then we're gonna ask a.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Quesse this is I want to see how Philip Rivers
on that high school football field simulated Mike McDonald's defense.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Right there weren't any of Saint michael High School's defenses
having Nick emun warream Lafe at defensive end with Tevin
Williston behind him. Yes, yes, and yes. But for the Seahawks,
I wonder is this worse Because Mike McDonald's on Monday
talked about the wild card of a rookie quarterback. They
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don't have much tape on them, and so they don't
it's a little tough, he says. It's actually tougher at
times for these rookie quarterbacks to get a game plan
and they're just going to do what they do. It's
got to be even tougher a forty four year old
Hall of Fame or is it played in five years?
You're talking about unpredictability. Is he gonna have any kind
of mobility? Is he gonna get away from any pressure
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at all? You would think that this plays in even
more to the Seahawks favor because their defense just tees
off on quarterbacks who are not mobile. If there was
ever an immobile quarterback, one who's forty four grandpa and
hasn't played in five years, it's got to be the
definition of that, right. So, as crazy as it sounds,
as Mike McDonald might be thinking, Holy cal this couldn't
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work out better for me now. The story of stories,
of course, would be for Rivers to just light it
up and throw for four hundred yards in the rain
after not playing for five years. That would be unprecedented
in the league. And I don't know that the Colts
are going to ask him to do that. This is
still going to be a Jonathan Taylor game. But the
quarterback on third and eight will be one of the
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best of his generation to do it, even if he's
forty four, it hasn't played in five years. It's wild.
But the more I think about it, the more I
think he's not coming to Seattle to stand on the
sidelines in the rain.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Bail Junior, I need you to be Devin Witherspoon on
this play. Uncle Monty, you come in here, You're going
to be Leonard Williams. So I got to get some
practice in. Honey, honey, honey, put down the wash. I
need you to come out here and be Ernest Jones
for me. I got to figure out I can need
some practice against the Seahawks defense.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Well, between his wife and ten kids, he's got enough.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
He's got eleven right there to have a defense.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
He's got the numbers.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Question. Yeah, he doesn't have to. He didn't even have
to go outside his house.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
He's got the numbers. There's no question about that. Greg
bellis with us, our Seahawks insider, joins us nearly every
day here on the radio program gets you updated on
the Seahawks as they get ready to face the Indianapolis Colts.
And I suppose there are other stories than Philip Rivers
heading into this game. But I'll ask again about Jalen Sundell.
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Did we get any more information about what's going to
happen with the offensive line?
Speaker 6 (13:49):
No, we're off yesterday. Yeah, and they haven't.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
They haven't activated him officially yet, so his clock hasn't started.
I'm expecting them to do that today, so that some
noking at the full week of practice today. Of course,
I asked on Monday, does that mean he's going to
guard center, and mccond just looked at him and said, yes,
he said, we'll see. I think it's gonna be center.
I think they're going to, for continuity's sake, keep Bradford
at right guard, and they're going to roll back to
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how they began the season. Listen Doll at center, Bradford
at right guard. And I mentioned he said that in Atlanta.
McDonald said that McDonald or that Anthony Bradford was their
highest rated offensive lineman, better in past protection than he's
been in a while. So I know fans would go,
what are you talking about. I'm going to take the
coaches and at his word, and maybe they know a
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little bit more than we do about this, unless he's
just flat out line and trying to support his guard.
Now McDonald doesn't seem to do that. Carol would always,
to a fault protect his guys and talk well of
them and shine them up. McDonald not so much. He'll
just kind of be if the guys, we'll see type
of thing. And I get the feeling that they're going
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to just go back to week one with soundel and
then they'll have a Timmy as a backup swing center
and guard the fact remains, if they had a better option,
Anthony Bradford, they would have used them already. And I
don't think that at the expensive center that Chanlen is
going to be that.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
All right, Greg, excellent stuff, Thank you very much. You
know what's the first tradition that you guys will take
part in when you meet together for the Army Navy game?
Is it just a beer? Is it a toast? Or
is it secretive?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well, actually don't have an actual standard every time. We
all come in at different times, so yeah, it's I
can't think of a trick. We always have a tailgate party.
We always go to the march On and watch the
Yeah That's do It clinic on Drew and watch the
Midshipman look like Snoopy and Woodstock. It's just absolute ridiculous.
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I don't know why they do it. It's just their scars
are all askew and it looks like they just came
off the street and started walking around the stadium. I'm
like ushers or something. Anyone who's been an Arbor Davy
game knows exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
No, actually we don't. We don't look at it with
that find of an eye I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You have to be that fine of an eye.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
They just have two eyes.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
You can see that. The Navy has absolutely no precision.
It's like they never have drilled before. The undisciplined. It'd
be like a bunch of frat boys you dub try
to do drill.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's just unbelievable. Their scarves are all with skew, and
their buttons are off, and then some of them have
been untucked. Some of them. I've seen this before. They
wear sunglasses, which is absolutely against military rigs in all
forms and official duty uniform wearing sunglasses. I mean, anyway,
it's like a damn country club down there in.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
The backlash A man, we'll do some roundtable tomorrow, all right,
we will thank you, all right, Greg Bell, our Seahawks
set insider gets fired up this time of the year.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's a great rant, right, No bias at all.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
No, No, I mean I think he looks at it
very evenly from both sides. I think there's any hidden
agenda there.
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really hard time believing that he would be starting by
this Sunday. But I think he is being brought back
to play. I will say that I think he will
play at some point. I think the idea is to
eventually get him there. It seems impossible to get him
up to speed in time for Sunday against Mike McDonald's defense.
But that doesn't mean that if Ripman goes down with
an injury that he's not on the sidelines. And guess
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who's coming into the game. I think there is a
chance that we will face him this week. It's just
hard for me to believe that he'll start coming up next.
Major League Baseball in meetings, interesting little tidbit in the
last twenty four hours, maybe your a Polanco is asking
for too much money? What then, Sports Radio ninety three
point three kJ RFM. I meant, Huey Lewis, Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.
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Pompe is Spanish for Huey Lewis Oh and the news
Reckless at Breakfast coming up later on this hour. We'll
talk some college football with that. But the Winter Meetings
are going on right now. Even though it's nice to
hear that. Boy, I don't know what happened Ashley's holiday cheer.
You know winter meetings. I know Meetland.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Well, it's because it didn't say Winter Meetings on here,
so it didn't spark in my head winter.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Oh, I see, it just says Jorge Polanka, So I
typed in po oh, then that's how you ended up,
and that's how I ended up there. Curious. Well, the
Winter Meetings have finally produced a little bit of fruit,
a couple of big free agent signings yesterday, but kind
of as expected. I mean, it's just hard to I mean,
they used to make a point of pulling all these
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moves to Winter Meetings time, but they just don't do
it anymore. Everybody's out there trying to get the steal
of the century, and so they're just more careful than
ever before with transactions, I think in Major League Baseball,
and the idea that you're going to put them all
in the same hotel for three days in Orlando, Florida,
especially with Mickey right around the corner. I mean, how
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can you keep concentrating on pulling off trade. So there
hasn't been a lot of activity. There has been a
pretty interesting rumor that has popped up here in the
last twenty four hours suggesting that the reason that are
Polanco has not re signed with the Mariners because he
and his agent are driving too hard of a bargain.
Apparently the asking price is a three year deal and
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more in the range of fifteen to seventeen maybe even
eighteen million dollars per year versus the twelve to fourteen
that I think that we thought he was going to
receive heading into the offseason, and maybe that's what he
does end up receiving. We shall see. Playing simple, I
want or a Polonco back. I like Hore Polonko. I'm
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glad that he had his terrific season this past year,
but this is also Bucky, a thirty two year old
who had one out of two good years with the Mariners,
with a lot of injury history, and he doesn't really
play very good defense anywhere, and I'm not gonna let
him control this negotiation. If he wants to come back,
I'll pay him, pay him fair market value. I'll give
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him a multi year contract. But I would certainly understand
the Mariner's back at three years fifty four million dollars
as an example.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
Yeah, that would be a lot, right, because what is
that eighteen? Is that what that comes up to? That's
a lot. I mean, if i'm him, probably this is
your last time to get a multi year deal, and
so I would imagine him and his agent are going
to be trying to drive as heart of a bargain
as possible. Consider what you want, Yeah, considering what you
did last year. I mean he rebounded, and he rebounded
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with one of the better years in the last five
just to be like, hey, what you saw last year
My first year in Seattle, which was his worst year
of his career, was not Not only was that not
the beginning of a decline, Like I'm I'm I am
still the guy that can swing it and can you know,
hit line drives and a bunch of doubles and you know,
even if popped what twenty six home runs last year?
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So I wouldn't be surprised if it's probably that they're driving,
He's driving a hard enough bargain where it's not where
the Mariners want to go.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Now I go.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
I would be okay with go him a little bit
beyond what their comfort zone is, because I would like
to bring him back as a DH to hopefully be
able to keep him healthy. You'd switch hitting his huge
for him and for the team to have a guy
like that so you can shift your lineup around and
then fill in when you need to fill in at
second base and possibly third if needed. But yeah, I
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would like him to go a little bit beyond wherever
their comfort zone is. But yeah, I wouldn't pay him
anything near twenty million dollars a year if that's what
he's fighting for.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, well, there's just a limit, and there are other
options out there. I mean, we have a second baseman
who I want to see play this year in Cole
Young and and Gino. I don't know where the Geno
contract discussions are, if they've even started those. He's been
linked to the Red Sox. He's been linked to the
Chicago Cubs. But now you got this katel Marte. I mean,
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if he's asking for seventeen eighteen million dollars, that's what
katel Marte makes per season, and Katel Marte has just
been the better player over the last five years. Yeah,
he said just about as many injuries. But I mean,
this is a guy that's reached superstar status. Now you
got to give up assets in order to get Katel Marte.
But CJ. Abrams is another one from the Washington Nationals.
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I know the Mariners have a limit. My guess is
it's more the years than it is the money. But
it's not like jore Polanco gets just to name his price.
I think they definitely want him back, but they're certainly
not going to do it at his agent's price. I mean,
he's going to have to play ball with how the
Mariners want to pay him if he's going to be
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back next year.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah, I can understand him thinking or feeling like, I
want to go for as much money as possible, especially
considering the season he had last year and looking at
the negotiation of the deal that the Mariners in him
had right coming back and then proving himself and being
given the chance to prove himself, I think that meant
a lot. I would think that that would go a
little further.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
You would think, we hope that that stuff goes a
little bit, but we never know, to Bucky's point, Hey,
that's probably my last chance to get as much money
as I possibly can, and I'm going to get as
much money as I possibly can. And I've said this
a lot. If that's your mentality, then you're probably not
going to be a Mariner.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Right And I would hope that they can figure out
a way to bring him back as well. But if
especially because of the ability for him to do a
couple different things for you, should you need it be
the DH but if he needed to play second or third,
he could. But you know, if it's too much, then
move on.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I thought he was going last year and they figured
out a way to bring a he was almost a
Houston Astro. That might have been the difference in the
American League West, the Mariner's convincing him to come back
and give it another shot here versus him going and
hitting twenty six home runs for the Astros last season.
So I know they wont him back, but I also
know they have their limits, and I think that is
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probably two years and maybe it gets up to fifteen,
but I doubt it's going to be more than that.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Well then, I mean two years, thirty million bucks, I'd
do it. I wouldn't even be afraid. I mean, I'm
looking at Spowtrack and it has his market value and
I don't trust this necessarily, but it has it at
fourteen point six million dollars a year and they say
market value three years, So three years at that fourteen
point six that's forty three and change. I'd go ahead
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and do that if that's that one extra year where
you're like, man, I don't want to be paying dude
when he's thirty five, especially with the injury history that
he's had in a couple of years being here and
even before that when he was a twin. I get that.
But at the same time, boy, don't you know let
something get away that there is other options, But don't
think you wouldn't have a giant hole to focus. To me,
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this is one that you get to play your second,
your young second basement and Cole Young or Bliss, however
that works out in the middle infield, you get to
play that guy and then you Jaye planco and if
that young guy isn't getting it done and somebody else
is hit and then you can swap that DH thing around.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Well, Martek a DH that would be a way to
preserve him. I mean, I mean, if you're getting into
three years and seventeen eighteen million, you might as well
get Marte at that point, get the better player.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know more. I mean, I
know what his numbers look like it was, and he
has had the injury history too. You just I mean,
I guess you can't.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Really.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
I'm not one that typically will get hung up on
the injury history, even though you got to take it
into account. To them though, is the difference Is two
million bucks a difference if you can get Jorge at
three years for fifteen or fourteen versus seventeen for Is
that is that a difference to them?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
What?
Speaker 7 (25:59):
What else there? You're out they have to fill out
on this roster? I don't know, all right.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Coming up next on the program, we get a little
Reckless at Breakfast with the future of the college football
Playoff Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Get rid
of some of this drama here in the future. There's
no solving it entirely. You're always going to have a committee,
there's always going to be subcepjectivity. You got one hundred
and forty teams that you're trying to shove into a
twelve piece box here at the end of the season.
(26:27):
And there's always doesn't matter how large you make, the
tournament going to be somebody who's gets their feelings hurt.
And so maybe maybe a couple of things. And I
got to give credit for this what Rick new Isiel
said yesterday, and one of our listeners, Nick Allen, tweeted
it to me yesterday. And I don't know if this
stuff's out there already and I just haven't seen it.
(26:48):
But for whatever reason, those two comments sparked an idea
in my head, and so I'm going to run it
past all of you here this morning on Reckless at Breakfast.
So what if we did replace conference chamchampionship week with
a play in round of the tournament. Now we don't
call it the tournament. You know, I've said steadfastly, I
want to play this twelve team tournament out for a
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little while and see what we need to do. Obviously
some adjustments need to be made. But if instead of
a college football conference championship game, we had a play
in round, so we had the same number of games,
four games, and you get to automatically punch your ticket,
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but we use it on the teams that are all
on the bubble. So, in other words, the typical sixteen
team format is one versus sixteen, and two versus fifteen,
and so on and so forth. We're going to have
a sixteen team field, but only twelve technically get into
the tournament, and the top four teams still get their buys,
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and the next four teams still get their home games.
But we're going to use that conference championship game to
determine who's in the tournament and who's out of the tournament.
So now let me explain that because it might be confusing.
So under this, the teams that would be in we're
gonna go ahead and get the conference champions regular season,
regular season. We'll use all the tie breakers, whatever we
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got to do so that would crown Virginia as the
ACC champion. They won by a full game over everybody else.
ACC champion Texas Tech, they won the tiebreaker over BYU,
smacked them around. Ohio State actually won the regular season
over Indiana, I believe, And then we all now know
famously that Alabama won the regular season. We would have
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never even had to worry about Alabama's resume. We just
given them an automatic bid right then and there and
not made them play a conference championship game. So those
four are automatically in. Then we're going to use the
committee to vote four more automatically in. So these are
the four at large teams that don't have to play
to get into the tournament. Just using the College Football
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Playoff Committee rankings, that would put Indiana as an automatic in.
That would put Georgia as an automatic in, that would
put Oregon as an automatic in, and that would put
ole miss as an automatic in. So they're the four
wildcard teams that the Committee is determined don't have to
sing for their supper. Those eight teams are in. So
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now our play in week and again, using the College
Football Playoff Committee's pairings and rankings, will have a best
of five championship games. So this guarantees a best of
five team and our twelve, but it also make guarantees
that we don't have to have two of them in
that don't deserve it. So we will have Tulane play
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James Madison. They play each other, and the winner gets
in the tournament and the loser is out, and then
we take Then we're going to rank them all over again.
The other three games that will be played Texas the
one we'll take on Miami because we're not gonna map
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conference teams play each other in this round, and this
way the SEC is satisfied this is their chance to
get seven teams in the tournament. We can also prove
that maybe the SEC isn't as good as what they
think they are, so we're gonna make sure if we
can avoid it. We're not gonna make conference opponents face
each other in the play in week. So based off
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of their pairings, that would be number one Texas, A
and m versus number five Miami, Number two Oklahoma versus
Number four BYU, and number three Notre Dame versus number
six Texas and let Vanderbilt and Utah complain because they
didn't get in. Okay, Okay, So we play those four
games as play in games to the tournament. They aren't
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even considered tournament teams. We're using that week conference championship week.
We've gotten rid of the conference championship games. It's too confusing,
it's too muddled, and we play four play in games
to determine who who gets to the next round, where
the five through eight teams ranked are waiting at home
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to play in round number one of our tournament. So
Tulane James Madison winner faces Oregon, the five seed in Eugene,
Texas A Texas and m and Miami winner plays eight
Virginia at Virginia two Oklahoma BYU they will play at
Alabama the final week. Our seventh ranked team, you don't
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get top four seed just because you won your conference
three Notre Dame six Texas, they'll take on our sixth seed,
all miss and then those two teams, those eight teams
play four games the following week to determine who advances
to the next round, where the top four ranked teams
in America are waiting Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, and Texas Tech.
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So it's a sixteen team field, but we really only
acknowledge twelve teams make the tournament, and the same four
that got the buye get their same advantage that they
had before, and the next four still get that home
field advantage in their first game, and then we can
allow four more teams to not get ranked by the
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committee but to actually compete for the last four spots
in our twelve team tournament field. What do we think
of that?
Speaker 7 (32:20):
I like it and I don't mean to oversimplify it,
because you just explained that very well.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
That's a bait.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
To me, it feels like a sixteen team tournament where
the top eight get buys, the top four get two buys,
right where you get Yeah, so it's basically the same thing.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I like it.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
I like and that.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Yet if that's a way where it still feels like
it's a twelve team tournament, to me, it's you just
give an opportunity to some people that it feels like
there's people not just a fan basis. Just when I'm
looking at it. I don't care about USC or Utah.
I don't care about Vanderbilt one bit, but they do
people cheering for them are like, come on, I mean way,
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maybe not as much as the big hooplah about not
Dame because of that whole thing and how they kind
of got screwed by the committee, but it takes it
a little bit out of the politicized thing. Sure, there's
still gonna be some of the issues at the end
of the season. Somebody's gonna be on the outside of
the bubble. They didn't even get to plan the playing things.
But yes, to some degree, with the little wrinkle in
there of James Madison Tulane. Unless you've went thirteen and
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oh or twelve and oh and you've found yourself ranked
in the top ten somewhere where you're automatically in if
you're one of the if you're like they are this year,
where you're twentieth and twenty fifth or whatever. All right,
we're gonna give you guys a chance to play each other,
and whoever wins, we're gonna thrust you into that play
in tournament part of the whole thing. But yeah, I like,
I like the idea of expanding it somewhat, but at
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a controlled pace where it's not just you know, trying
to make it some march madness, but for football that's absurd.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
I like the idea of having those games replace the
conference championships. It seems to be much more productive.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Not nearly as confusing, Right, how do I value getting in?
And yeah, you take you eliminate that.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
Well, it's like how Hugh says, too, like the idea
of the whole season you play to where you hopefully
get a buy in the conference championship week. It's like, no,
hey Oregon, you sit back, and oh Miss sit back.
You guys don't have to play in this thing. Well,
these other teams do, and they may or may not
get punished for it.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, have two different selection shows, you know, the one
that announces those that have made the play in and
the eight that don't have to play, uh and are
already going to be in the tournament. And then once
you play the games you get have a second selection
show and then you reveal the matchups and how you
did rank the eight teams that were already in, and
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that reveals who got the two buys. Maybe that's the
way to go with all of this it uh, you know.
And look, I'm not angry about what's happened. I mean,
we have a tournament now, and we knew that there
were gonna be some trial and error involved in this,
some experimentation that was going to take place. I'm just
happy we have a tournament. But every year we should
try to figure ways to tweak it and make it better,
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make it cleaner, and try to take as much subjectivity
out of it as we possibly can. And maybe this
is a better option than what we have right now.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Yeah, I think it is. I think it's definitely better
than what we have right now. And yet I'm with you.
We're way better that we're right now where we are
than just three years ago, and three years ago was
better than where we were for one hundred years before
that in the direction all.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Right, coming up next?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
In case you were wondering, we asked Rick new Isil
point blank yesterday if he is going to be the
next head coach of the Washington State Cougars. If you
didn't hear it, we'll replace some of it, and we
will actually have time this morning to react to his commentary.
It's Chuck and Buck Sports Radio ninety three point three
KJRFM
Let's go back in time a little bit. We've had
a lot of SEC guys on here. They've never admitted it,
but we all know that SEC was an I L
before an I.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
You know, hey, hey, what's work? Way past it?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Queen?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Now just admitt it?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Good?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Hey, going, I say, coach, you know you've been not
a coaching for a while, And though, how do you
adjust at N I L?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
So, well, it's a minor adjustment. What do you mean
I said?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Back then we used to walk through the back door
to cash.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Now we just got to walk through the foot door.
You unmistakable that orser on on busting with the boys.
Is that what that is? Correct?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Taylor Lawan and uh now Will Compton all right.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Seven o'clock hour, Chuck Buck and Ashley with you. We
roll in Reckless at Breakfast. Coming a little bit later
on this hour. Also Greg Bell in a matter of
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Rivers was signed to the practice squad yesterday, and yeah,
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but if Riley Leonard cannot go, they're gonna have to
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you're one injury away from Yes, Philip Rivers playing against
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and for too many years from the Mariners, so that
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Speaker 1 (03:05):
Now with Man Dues, here's Greg Bell with Chuck and Bud.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Good morning, Greg, Good morning.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Uh god, I was gonna jump right into Philip Rivers talk,
but let's make sure we have some beat Navy talk
before we start.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Let it move on.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Just we have to set that as a fact today, Okay,
Philip Rivers.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
How many know how many of your how many of
your guys are going to be there?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
How many?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
How many of your buddies are waiting for you? And
uh for this game this weekend.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
The best man in my wedding and my roommate for
two semesters is that's the main attraction for us, and
our families are tight, and then we're going to see him,
and then it's usually about a dozen guys I haven't
seen a while. Oh yeah, so it is. It is
quite a party and it's sweet. What the great thing
(04:00):
is when we see each other, it's like we've seen
each other yesterday, because we're still tight and gone through
quite a bit together, and our spouses and families always
amazed about Wait a minute, he said, you haven't seen
this guy in twenty years.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Yeah, kind of work.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
When you were all kids to get kids, at one
point in your life, did you look up to Philip
Rivers and how good a football player he was back
when you were children.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Back when my when my mom and dad were watching.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, I was a Philip Rivers one of your dad's
favorite growing up.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I think Philip Rivers and Terry brad Joe played against
each other.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
You know, yesterday we talked about it, and at first,
Bucky and I both agreed at first, there's no way
he's gonna be ready for Sunday.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
But then when I started.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Looking into this, he's a high school football coach.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
You may have talked about this. He's a high school
football coach at Saint.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Michael and Pharaoh, Alabama. He coaches his Philip Rivers coaches
his son there. His son is a four five star
rated quarterback recruited by Auburn and others, and they run
Shane Steiken's offense. And I didn't realize that Steiken had
been his quarterback coach for as long as he had
with the Chargers six years, and in the last year
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and a half of that, well, the last season of that,
he was the offensive coordinator and play caller for Rivers
and the Chargers, and then that was twenty nineteen. Steiken
took over full time as the offensive coordinate in twenty twenty,
but that was the year the only year that Rivers
played for the Colts, and then he retired or supposedly
so after the twenty twenty season. But the point is,
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not only does he know Steiken's offense, he calls it
and runs it in high school four A Alabama Class
four A, not podunk football, big time Alabama.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
High school football, Class four A.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
They went thirteen and oh this year, and then they
lost two weeks ago in the second round of the
state playoffs. And in doing so, he has been throwing
the ball around. JJ Watt, of course, all pro at
dresser and now a CBS game analyst, said he learned
in a production meeting yesterday that Philip Rivers has been
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chucking the ball around in those practices with his son
in addition to running stain Stecken's offense. So Watt said,
there will be no run up in learning this off
it here. He knows it, and he's been throwing the
ball somewhat regularly, and so he's not just been sitting
on the couch for the five years since he last played.
Of course, he has ten kids and a grandkid, so
(06:30):
we're not gonna be sitting on the couch anyway. But
the point is, I'm beginning to believe Philip Rivers, at
age forty four during the holidays in Alabama, is not
going to get on a plane and go to Seattle
to not play to back up Riley Leonard or Brett
Ribbon or anybody. It's lining up to me that he's
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playing Sunday. Wow, which man is that? I just don't
see him not playing in the culture and such dire
straights they have to win. They've lost four to last five,
to go from seven to one to eight and five
and on the edge of the playoff race in the AIRC.
They wouldn't have done this move now if they didn't
think he could play right now now that they didn't
sign me the active roster because okay, let's see it.
(07:15):
Let's see him in person day to day, and if
he's casted, it will leve date him from the practice bttle,
Let's not use a roster spot on him just yet.
But guys, this may become the most interesting NFL game
of the season and in many seasons in regular season anyway.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Yeah, it's going to be interesting, and I think it'd
be great if he somehow figures our way to suit
up just to see the theater that will ensue good luck,
because it's not an easy task going back into the NFL,
especially against Mike McDonald in this defense. But I would
just one more on that. I mean, I agree, I
think there's no way ifansibots that he still has been
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throwing the ball, and you know he can probably still
shot and put it the way he does, you know,
back in twenty twenty when he last played. I think
the mental side of understanding the offense. Yep, he's calling
the offense, not necessarily playing it. But the speed of
the game, right, I mean, just to me, I've talked
a lot of times before about you just take the
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off season off and all of a sudden, everything is different.
It takes a couple of weeks to get acclimated to
just how hard the ball is coming in when you
get back to spring training, and so speed wise of
the game. I mean, have you ever seen anybody miss
just a year and then when they come back, you know,
you're watching them at practice and things look rusty, but
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it's like because of the speed, not necessarily because of
lack of repetitions.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Marshawn lens he signed with the Seahawks and Christmas Eve
twenty nineteen, and that's the famous press conference when I
asked him why he came back and he said, Mary
New Year, he pulled an Eddie Murphy come into America.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Me.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
That's one of my favorite moments with him.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I he so when I watched him in practices that
week we could only watch him at the beginning of practices,
he did look like, Okay, it's gonna take him a
little bit to roll into this, and he played that week.
Now that's a running back. But to Bucky's point, but Bucky,
could you take a year off and then come back
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and see the difference here with the Rivers is he
took five years off and then he's coming back in
the playoff run in December with no training camp, no
run ups at all. Could you come in to September
after being off just a year and hit a major
league fastball.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
No, that's what I'm saying. The timing wise, I couldn't
even though on my body if my body back in
the day was still good enough to actually swing the
bat at the speed I need to do it, No,
the timing wouldn't be there.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
That's the whole thing.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
I don't think anything mentally, and I think enough physically.
It will be fine with him because we've seen it before.
Guys that are older can can play quarterback. But it's
the timing part of it that I would feel would
be toughest to figure out.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well, here's what the Colts and Saint Stichen are thinking.
Is that possible gap in timing worse than having Riley
Leonard hurt right or Brett Rippon start. And I bet
they're thinking, no, I'll take a forty four year old
Hall of Fame grandpa who was one of the best
of his generation, even five years removed from that over
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those two with the season on the line. That seems
to be the calculus that they're thinking in the Colts
headquarters right now, do we just roll with it and
see if he can catch up the speed during the game.
Let's hand it to Jonathan Taylor a few times in
the first half of the game so he can get
his field feet under him, throw a couple of screens
and dump offfs and then get gone. And that seems to.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Be what they're thinking about. I just you don't do.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
This with this in these situations, with this few games
and the way the Colts are headed and how they
have to win now in the next four weeks. You
don't do that now if you're not going to play
him now, That's what I'm starting to think about. As
preposterous as all this is, it might be their best option. Now,
having said all this, if you're Mike McDonald and the Seahawks,
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what are you thinking? And then we're gonna ask a.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Quesse this is I want to see how Philip Rivers
on that high school football field simulated Mike McDonald's defense.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Right there weren't any of Saint michael High School's defenses
having Nick emun warream Lafe at defensive end with Tevin
Williston behind him. Yes, yes, and yes. But for the Seahawks,
I wonder is this worse Because Mike McDonald's on Monday
talked about the wild card of a rookie quarterback. They
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don't have much tape on them, and so they don't
it's a little tough, he says. It's actually tougher at
times for these rookie quarterbacks to get a game plan
and they're just going to do what they do. It's
got to be even tougher a forty four year old
Hall of Fame or is it played in five years?
You're talking about unpredictability. Is he gonna have any kind
of mobility? Is he gonna get away from any pressure
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at all? You would think that this plays in even
more to the Seahawks favor because their defense just tees
off on quarterbacks who are not mobile. If there was
ever an immobile quarterback, one who's forty four grandpa and
hasn't played in five years, it's got to be the
definition of that, right. So, as crazy as it sounds,
as Mike McDonald might be thinking, Holy cal this couldn't
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work out better for me now. The story of stories,
of course, would be for Rivers to just light it
up and throw for four hundred yards in the rain
after not playing for five years. That would be unprecedented
in the league. And I don't know that the Colts
are going to ask him to do that. This is
still going to be a Jonathan Taylor game. But the
quarterback on third and eight will be one of the
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best of his generation to do it, even if he's
forty four, it hasn't played in five years. It's wild.
But the more I think about it, the more I
think he's not coming to Seattle to stand on the
sidelines in the rain.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Bail Junior, I need you to be Devin Witherspoon on
this play. Uncle Monty, you come in here, You're going
to be Leonard Williams. So I got to get some
practice in. Honey, honey, honey, put down the wash. I
need you to come out here and be Ernest Jones
for me. I got to figure out I can need
some practice against the Seahawks defense.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Well, between his wife and ten kids, he's got enough.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
He's got eleven right there to have a defense.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
He's got the numbers.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Question. Yeah, he doesn't have to. He didn't even have
to go outside his house.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
He's got the numbers. There's no question about that. Greg
bellis with us, our Seahawks insider, joins us nearly every
day here on the radio program gets you updated on
the Seahawks as they get ready to face the Indianapolis Colts.
And I suppose there are other stories than Philip Rivers
heading into this game. But I'll ask again about Jalen Sundell.
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Did we get any more information about what's going to
happen with the offensive line?
Speaker 6 (13:49):
No, we're off yesterday. Yeah, and they haven't.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
They haven't activated him officially yet, so his clock hasn't started.
I'm expecting them to do that today, so that some
noking at the full week of practice today. Of course,
I asked on Monday, does that mean he's going to
guard center, and mccond just looked at him and said, yes,
he said, we'll see. I think it's gonna be center.
I think they're going to, for continuity's sake, keep Bradford
at right guard, and they're going to roll back to
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how they began the season. Listen Doll at center, Bradford
at right guard. And I mentioned he said that in Atlanta.
McDonald said that McDonald or that Anthony Bradford was their
highest rated offensive lineman, better in past protection than he's
been in a while. So I know fans would go,
what are you talking about. I'm going to take the
coaches and at his word, and maybe they know a
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little bit more than we do about this, unless he's
just flat out line and trying to support his guard.
Now McDonald doesn't seem to do that. Carol would always,
to a fault protect his guys and talk well of
them and shine them up. McDonald not so much. He'll
just kind of be if the guys, we'll see type
of thing. And I get the feeling that they're going
(14:59):
to just go back to week one with soundel and
then they'll have a Timmy as a backup swing center
and guard the fact remains, if they had a better option,
Anthony Bradford, they would have used them already. And I
don't think that at the expensive center that Chanlen is
going to be that.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
All right, Greg, excellent stuff, Thank you very much. You
know what's the first tradition that you guys will take
part in when you meet together for the Army Navy game?
Is it just a beer? Is it a toast? Or
is it secretive?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well, actually don't have an actual standard every time. We
all come in at different times, so yeah, it's I
can't think of a trick. We always have a tailgate party.
We always go to the march On and watch the
Yeah That's do It clinic on Drew and watch the
Midshipman look like Snoopy and Woodstock. It's just absolute ridiculous.
(15:51):
I don't know why they do it. It's just their scars
are all askew and it looks like they just came
off the street and started walking around the stadium. I'm
like ushers or something. Anyone who's been an Arbor Davy
game knows exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
No, actually we don't. We don't look at it with
that find of an eye I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
You have to be that fine of an eye.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
They just have two eyes.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
You can see that. The Navy has absolutely no precision.
It's like they never have drilled before. The undisciplined. It'd
be like a bunch of frat boys you dub try
to do drill.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's just unbelievable. Their scarves are all with skew, and
their buttons are off, and then some of them have
been untucked. Some of them. I've seen this before. They
wear sunglasses, which is absolutely against military rigs in all
forms and official duty uniform wearing sunglasses. I mean, anyway,
it's like a damn country club down there in.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
The backlash A man, we'll do some roundtable tomorrow, all right,
we will thank you, all right, Greg Bell, our Seahawks
set insider gets fired up this time of the year.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's a great rant, right, No bias at all.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
No, No, I mean I think he looks at it
very evenly from both sides. I think there's any hidden
agenda there.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
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(17:30):
really hard time believing that he would be starting by
this Sunday. But I think he is being brought back
to play. I will say that I think he will
play at some point. I think the idea is to
eventually get him there. It seems impossible to get him
up to speed in time for Sunday against Mike McDonald's defense.
But that doesn't mean that if Ripman goes down with
an injury that he's not on the sidelines. And guess
(17:51):
who's coming into the game. I think there is a
chance that we will face him this week. It's just
hard for me to believe that he'll start coming up next.
Major League Baseball in meetings, interesting little tidbit in the
last twenty four hours, maybe your a Polanco is asking
for too much money? What then, Sports Radio ninety three
point three kJ RFM. I meant, Huey Lewis, Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.
(18:14):
Pompe is Spanish for Huey Lewis Oh and the news
Reckless at Breakfast coming up later on this hour. We'll
talk some college football with that. But the Winter Meetings
are going on right now. Even though it's nice to
hear that. Boy, I don't know what happened Ashley's holiday cheer.
You know winter meetings. I know Meetland.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Well, it's because it didn't say Winter Meetings on here,
so it didn't spark in my head winter.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Oh, I see, it just says Jorge Polanka, So I
typed in po oh, then that's how you ended up,
and that's how I ended up there. Curious. Well, the
Winter Meetings have finally produced a little bit of fruit,
a couple of big free agent signings yesterday, but kind
of as expected. I mean, it's just hard to I mean,
they used to make a point of pulling all these
(18:59):
moves to Winter Meetings time, but they just don't do
it anymore. Everybody's out there trying to get the steal
of the century, and so they're just more careful than
ever before with transactions, I think in Major League Baseball,
and the idea that you're going to put them all
in the same hotel for three days in Orlando, Florida,
especially with Mickey right around the corner. I mean, how
(19:19):
can you keep concentrating on pulling off trade. So there
hasn't been a lot of activity. There has been a
pretty interesting rumor that has popped up here in the
last twenty four hours suggesting that the reason that are
Polanco has not re signed with the Mariners because he
and his agent are driving too hard of a bargain.
Apparently the asking price is a three year deal and
(19:41):
more in the range of fifteen to seventeen maybe even
eighteen million dollars per year versus the twelve to fourteen
that I think that we thought he was going to
receive heading into the offseason, and maybe that's what he
does end up receiving. We shall see. Playing simple, I
want or a Polonco back. I like Hore Polonko. I'm
(20:03):
glad that he had his terrific season this past year,
but this is also Bucky, a thirty two year old
who had one out of two good years with the Mariners,
with a lot of injury history, and he doesn't really
play very good defense anywhere, and I'm not gonna let
him control this negotiation. If he wants to come back,
I'll pay him, pay him fair market value. I'll give
(20:26):
him a multi year contract. But I would certainly understand
the Mariner's back at three years fifty four million dollars
as an example.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
Yeah, that would be a lot, right, because what is
that eighteen? Is that what that comes up to? That's
a lot. I mean, if i'm him, probably this is
your last time to get a multi year deal, and
so I would imagine him and his agent are going
to be trying to drive as heart of a bargain
as possible. Consider what you want, Yeah, considering what you
did last year. I mean he rebounded, and he rebounded
(20:58):
with one of the better years in the last five
just to be like, hey, what you saw last year
My first year in Seattle, which was his worst year
of his career, was not Not only was that not
the beginning of a decline, Like I'm I'm I am
still the guy that can swing it and can you know,
hit line drives and a bunch of doubles and you know,
even if popped what twenty six home runs last year?
(21:21):
So I wouldn't be surprised if it's probably that they're driving,
He's driving a hard enough bargain where it's not where
the Mariners want to go.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Now I go.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
I would be okay with go him a little bit
beyond what their comfort zone is, because I would like
to bring him back as a DH to hopefully be
able to keep him healthy. You'd switch hitting his huge
for him and for the team to have a guy
like that so you can shift your lineup around and
then fill in when you need to fill in at
second base and possibly third if needed. But yeah, I
(21:53):
would like him to go a little bit beyond wherever
their comfort zone is. But yeah, I wouldn't pay him
anything near twenty million dollars a year if that's what
he's fighting for.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, well, there's just a limit, and there are other
options out there. I mean, we have a second baseman
who I want to see play this year in Cole
Young and and Gino. I don't know where the Geno
contract discussions are, if they've even started those. He's been
linked to the Red Sox. He's been linked to the
Chicago Cubs. But now you got this katel Marte. I mean,
(22:22):
if he's asking for seventeen eighteen million dollars, that's what
katel Marte makes per season, and Katel Marte has just
been the better player over the last five years. Yeah,
he said just about as many injuries. But I mean,
this is a guy that's reached superstar status. Now you
got to give up assets in order to get Katel Marte.
But CJ. Abrams is another one from the Washington Nationals.
(22:45):
I know the Mariners have a limit. My guess is
it's more the years than it is the money. But
it's not like jore Polanco gets just to name his price.
I think they definitely want him back, but they're certainly
not going to do it at his agent's price. I mean,
he's going to have to play ball with how the
Mariners want to pay him if he's going to be
(23:05):
back next year.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah, I can understand him thinking or feeling like, I
want to go for as much money as possible, especially
considering the season he had last year and looking at
the negotiation of the deal that the Mariners in him
had right coming back and then proving himself and being
given the chance to prove himself, I think that meant
a lot. I would think that that would go a
little further.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
You would think, we hope that that stuff goes a
little bit, but we never know, to Bucky's point, Hey,
that's probably my last chance to get as much money
as I possibly can, and I'm going to get as
much money as I possibly can. And I've said this
a lot. If that's your mentality, then you're probably not
going to be a Mariner.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Right And I would hope that they can figure out
a way to bring him back as well. But if
especially because of the ability for him to do a
couple different things for you, should you need it be
the DH but if he needed to play second or third,
he could. But you know, if it's too much, then
move on.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I thought he was going last year and they figured
out a way to bring a he was almost a
Houston Astro. That might have been the difference in the
American League West, the Mariner's convincing him to come back
and give it another shot here versus him going and
hitting twenty six home runs for the Astros last season.
So I know they wont him back, but I also
know they have their limits, and I think that is
(24:18):
probably two years and maybe it gets up to fifteen,
but I doubt it's going to be more than that.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Well then, I mean two years, thirty million bucks, I'd
do it. I wouldn't even be afraid. I mean, I'm
looking at Spowtrack and it has his market value and
I don't trust this necessarily, but it has it at
fourteen point six million dollars a year and they say
market value three years, So three years at that fourteen
point six that's forty three and change. I'd go ahead
(24:44):
and do that if that's that one extra year where
you're like, man, I don't want to be paying dude
when he's thirty five, especially with the injury history that
he's had in a couple of years being here and
even before that when he was a twin. I get that.
But at the same time, boy, don't you know let
something get away that there is other options, But don't
think you wouldn't have a giant hole to focus. To me,
(25:05):
this is one that you get to play your second,
your young second basement and Cole Young or Bliss, however
that works out in the middle infield, you get to
play that guy and then you Jaye planco and if
that young guy isn't getting it done and somebody else
is hit and then you can swap that DH thing around.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Well, Martek a DH that would be a way to
preserve him. I mean, I mean, if you're getting into
three years and seventeen eighteen million, you might as well
get Marte at that point, get the better player.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know more. I mean, I
know what his numbers look like it was, and he
has had the injury history too. You just I mean,
I guess you can't.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Really.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
I'm not one that typically will get hung up on
the injury history, even though you got to take it
into account. To them though, is the difference Is two
million bucks a difference if you can get Jorge at
three years for fifteen or fourteen versus seventeen for Is
that is that a difference to them?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
What?
Speaker 7 (25:59):
What else there? You're out they have to fill out
on this roster? I don't know, all right.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Coming up next on the program, we get a little
Reckless at Breakfast with the future of the college football
Playoff Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Get rid
of some of this drama here in the future. There's
no solving it entirely. You're always going to have a committee,
there's always going to be subcepjectivity. You got one hundred
and forty teams that you're trying to shove into a
twelve piece box here at the end of the season.
(26:27):
And there's always doesn't matter how large you make, the
tournament going to be somebody who's gets their feelings hurt.
And so maybe maybe a couple of things. And I
got to give credit for this what Rick new Isiel
said yesterday, and one of our listeners, Nick Allen, tweeted
it to me yesterday. And I don't know if this
stuff's out there already and I just haven't seen it.
(26:48):
But for whatever reason, those two comments sparked an idea
in my head, and so I'm going to run it
past all of you here this morning on Reckless at Breakfast.
So what if we did replace conference chamchampionship week with
a play in round of the tournament. Now we don't
call it the tournament. You know, I've said steadfastly, I
want to play this twelve team tournament out for a
(27:10):
little while and see what we need to do. Obviously
some adjustments need to be made. But if instead of
a college football conference championship game, we had a play
in round, so we had the same number of games,
four games, and you get to automatically punch your ticket,
(27:31):
but we use it on the teams that are all
on the bubble. So, in other words, the typical sixteen
team format is one versus sixteen, and two versus fifteen,
and so on and so forth. We're going to have
a sixteen team field, but only twelve technically get into
the tournament, and the top four teams still get their buys,
(27:55):
and the next four teams still get their home games.
But we're going to use that conference championship game to
determine who's in the tournament and who's out of the tournament.
So now let me explain that because it might be confusing.
So under this, the teams that would be in we're
gonna go ahead and get the conference champions regular season,
regular season. We'll use all the tie breakers, whatever we
(28:16):
got to do so that would crown Virginia as the
ACC champion. They won by a full game over everybody else.
ACC champion Texas Tech, they won the tiebreaker over BYU,
smacked them around. Ohio State actually won the regular season
over Indiana, I believe, And then we all now know
famously that Alabama won the regular season. We would have
(28:40):
never even had to worry about Alabama's resume. We just
given them an automatic bid right then and there and
not made them play a conference championship game. So those
four are automatically in. Then we're going to use the
committee to vote four more automatically in. So these are
the four at large teams that don't have to play
to get into the tournament. Just using the College Football
(29:02):
Playoff Committee rankings, that would put Indiana as an automatic in.
That would put Georgia as an automatic in, that would
put Oregon as an automatic in, and that would put
ole miss as an automatic in. So they're the four
wildcard teams that the Committee is determined don't have to
sing for their supper. Those eight teams are in. So
(29:22):
now our play in week and again, using the College
Football Playoff Committee's pairings and rankings, will have a best
of five championship games. So this guarantees a best of
five team and our twelve, but it also make guarantees
that we don't have to have two of them in
that don't deserve it. So we will have Tulane play
(29:44):
James Madison. They play each other, and the winner gets
in the tournament and the loser is out, and then
we take Then we're going to rank them all over again.
The other three games that will be played Texas the
one we'll take on Miami because we're not gonna map
(30:05):
conference teams play each other in this round, and this
way the SEC is satisfied this is their chance to
get seven teams in the tournament. We can also prove
that maybe the SEC isn't as good as what they
think they are, so we're gonna make sure if we
can avoid it. We're not gonna make conference opponents face
each other in the play in week. So based off
(30:26):
of their pairings, that would be number one Texas, A
and m versus number five Miami, Number two Oklahoma versus
Number four BYU, and number three Notre Dame versus number
six Texas and let Vanderbilt and Utah complain because they
didn't get in. Okay, Okay, So we play those four
games as play in games to the tournament. They aren't
(30:47):
even considered tournament teams. We're using that week conference championship week.
We've gotten rid of the conference championship games. It's too confusing,
it's too muddled, and we play four play in games
to determine who who gets to the next round, where
the five through eight teams ranked are waiting at home
(31:09):
to play in round number one of our tournament. So
Tulane James Madison winner faces Oregon, the five seed in Eugene,
Texas A Texas and m and Miami winner plays eight
Virginia at Virginia two Oklahoma BYU they will play at
Alabama the final week. Our seventh ranked team, you don't
(31:30):
get top four seed just because you won your conference
three Notre Dame six Texas, they'll take on our sixth seed,
all miss and then those two teams, those eight teams
play four games the following week to determine who advances
to the next round, where the top four ranked teams
in America are waiting Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, and Texas Tech.
(31:52):
So it's a sixteen team field, but we really only
acknowledge twelve teams make the tournament, and the same four
that got the buye get their same advantage that they
had before, and the next four still get that home
field advantage in their first game, and then we can
allow four more teams to not get ranked by the
(32:13):
committee but to actually compete for the last four spots
in our twelve team tournament field. What do we think
of that?
Speaker 7 (32:20):
I like it and I don't mean to oversimplify it,
because you just explained that very well.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
That's a bait.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
To me, it feels like a sixteen team tournament where
the top eight get buys, the top four get two buys,
right where you get Yeah, so it's basically the same thing.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I like it.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
I like and that.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Yet if that's a way where it still feels like
it's a twelve team tournament, to me, it's you just
give an opportunity to some people that it feels like
there's people not just a fan basis. Just when I'm
looking at it. I don't care about USC or Utah.
I don't care about Vanderbilt one bit, but they do
people cheering for them are like, come on, I mean way,
(32:56):
maybe not as much as the big hooplah about not
Dame because of that whole thing and how they kind
of got screwed by the committee, but it takes it
a little bit out of the politicized thing. Sure, there's
still gonna be some of the issues at the end
of the season. Somebody's gonna be on the outside of
the bubble. They didn't even get to plan the playing things.
But yes, to some degree, with the little wrinkle in
there of James Madison Tulane. Unless you've went thirteen and
(33:20):
oh or twelve and oh and you've found yourself ranked
in the top ten somewhere where you're automatically in if
you're one of the if you're like they are this year,
where you're twentieth and twenty fifth or whatever. All right,
we're gonna give you guys a chance to play each other,
and whoever wins, we're gonna thrust you into that play
in tournament part of the whole thing. But yeah, I like,
I like the idea of expanding it somewhat, but at
(33:43):
a controlled pace where it's not just you know, trying
to make it some march madness, but for football that's absurd.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
I like the idea of having those games replace the
conference championships. It seems to be much more productive.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Not nearly as confusing, Right, how do I value getting in?
And yeah, you take you eliminate that.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
Well, it's like how Hugh says, too, like the idea
of the whole season you play to where you hopefully
get a buy in the conference championship week. It's like, no,
hey Oregon, you sit back, and oh Miss sit back.
You guys don't have to play in this thing. Well,
these other teams do, and they may or may not
get punished for it.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, have two different selection shows, you know, the one
that announces those that have made the play in and
the eight that don't have to play, uh and are
already going to be in the tournament. And then once
you play the games you get have a second selection
show and then you reveal the matchups and how you
did rank the eight teams that were already in, and
(34:39):
that reveals who got the two buys. Maybe that's the
way to go with all of this it uh, you know.
And look, I'm not angry about what's happened. I mean,
we have a tournament now, and we knew that there
were gonna be some trial and error involved in this,
some experimentation that was going to take place. I'm just
happy we have a tournament. But every year we should
try to figure ways to tweak it and make it better,
(35:02):
make it cleaner, and try to take as much subjectivity
out of it as we possibly can. And maybe this
is a better option than what we have right now.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Yeah, I think it is. I think it's definitely better
than what we have right now. And yet I'm with you.
We're way better that we're right now where we are
than just three years ago, and three years ago was
better than where we were for one hundred years before
that in the direction all.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Right, coming up next?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
In case you were wondering, we asked Rick new Isil
point blank yesterday if he is going to be the
next head coach of the Washington State Cougars. If you
didn't hear it, we'll replace some of it, and we
will actually have time this morning to react to his commentary.
It's Chuck and Buck Sports Radio ninety three point three
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