December 11, 2025 • 36 mins
Headlines and Moore drama… The situation at Michigan has implications that could affect us right here as Jedd Fisch’s name was immediately brought up as a replacement. :20- It’s time to play the Old Man game and take a look at some Old Manalytics. Which scenario is more likely; you decide! :40- KURT WARNER (NFL Network/Westwood One) Kurt joins the show to give us his thoughts on Phillip Rivers’ return to the NFL after 5 years away. What will be the most difficult part of his return? Sam Darnold’s season in Seattle so far… What does Kurt think of the season the Seahawks are having so far?
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Seven o'clock hour here on this Thursday morning. Great to
have you with us, not just good, great to have
you with us. And I don't over use that word,
so you know that it really comes from home.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, you mean it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Ashley Ryan is here. My name is Chuck Powell. Bucky
Jacobson not with us today, unfortunately, one of the many victims,
if you will, don't read into that too much of
the floodwaters that we have right now. Everything's fine with Bucky,
he's say, family safe, all is good. But with the
waters rising, obviously it was a little too dangerous to
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leave the household and leave the family this morning in
case they needed to evacuate. And so Bucky's not going
to be with us here today. Hopefully we'll have him
back tomorrow. Hopefully this rain stops, the waters receive, the
rivers recede, and we can get back to a normal
existence very soon. And for all of the those that
have been affected, like Bucky, our best to you. We're
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thinking of you, and hopefully we can stop raining. I mean,
we accept the fact that there's gonna be some rain
in the Pacific Northwest, and we kind of like it,
most of us, I think, yeah, I kind of like it.
But this has been out of control.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, be safe.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This entire season has been out of control, and then.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Lately yeah stupid, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
All right, let's get to your frost brewed Corps light shoes,
Chill headlines. Cracking their biggest win of the year last night,
with what twenty six seconds left in regulation they tied
it up on a Matty Vanier's goal, and then in
overtime Vin's done with a picture perfect slap shot to
win it three to two. The final score much needed
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win for Lane Lambert and the Cracking last night as
they take out the La Kings on national television. By
the way final score. There was three to two Major
League Baseball Winter meetings concluded yesterday. No trade activity. That's
the whole point of the Winter meetings.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, someone not get the memo.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, trade activity. But there were three monster free agent signings,
including one yesterday the Baltimore Ravens, who lost out on
the Kyle Schwarber bidding. They apparently the Orioles of all
teams did just as much as anyone else out there
on Kyle Schwarber. The Schwarber decided Ty goes to the
team that I'm already on. So he went back to
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the Philadelphia Phillies and the Orioles, who've decided, I don't
know why, I don't know what's happened. They're gonna spend
this offseason because they haven't spent ever. They then the
next day go all in on Pete Alonso. They've they's
paid even more for Alonso than what the Phillies did
for Kyle Schwarber the day before. So Pete Alonso leaves
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the Mets for the Baltimore Orioles. The Mariners didn't pull
off a trade. They did pull off the most recent
significant trade, and that was right before the Winter meetings.
But no trades from them over the last three days,
but perhaps some growth in trade areas. Who was accomplished
the last three days. We'll see if they make any moves.
We're still on Jree Polonko watch, among other things. There
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excuse me, that was a weird sound. The start of
the Week fifteen of the National Football League season is tonight.
It'll be Atlanta versus Tampa Bay. It's also the start
for many people for the fantasy football playoffs. You may
want to know Mike Evans is back for Tampa Bay tonight.
So is Jalen McMillan for that matter, if that maybe
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makes the decision on whether or not you start Baker
Mayfield to get your fantasy football playoffs started, or Mike
Evans or Chris Godwin junior. Who knows, But Tampa Bay
will be hosting the Atlanta Falcons. Start b John Robinson
if you've got him. The Seahawks will take on the
Colts on Sunday. And yes, it does look like Philip
Rivers has a very good chance. He's the favorite right
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now to start at quarterback for the Colts against the Seahawks,
kickoff at one twenty five.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I don't think there's going to be a morezy story
this entire season. And that includes sharn More, which we're
gonna get to here in a moment, but Philip Rivers,
we're gonna talk about it with Kurt Warner. We're gonna
blow up the clock today to talk with Kurt Warner
at seven point forty. He's gonna join us this morning.
And of course we've all been waiting for Hughes analysis
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here on the Morning Show all week long, so we
can't wait to hear from you and Greg from eight
to nine with our twelfth Man Roundtable to talk about
Philip Rivers and this matchup college football. It is Army
Navy Week Saturday. The Heisman Trophy will be handed out Saturday.
The LA Bowl will be played Saturday, and we found
out it will be the final LA Bowl. That story
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broke here today. Correct me if I'm wrong. You know
I don't really follow bowl games. Isn't this the first
LA Bowl game? As well?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
It is not all?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Okay, did I stand for?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
That's the Jimmy Kimmel Bowl originally, and Gronk took over. Okay,
And yeah, now it's the LA Bowl hosted by Gronk
and they call it something else that I don't quite
there's a long name, but either way, it is the
last one.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well, well, let me just cut it right to the chase.
Only one word that can describe this prestigious.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yes, well, and you'd probably be sad to know it
joins the Bahamas Bowl as the latest.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Bulls to be canceled. Oh I would mind going to
the Bahamas Bowl. I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Cancel them all except the big ones, tie them into
the tournament, and then then we can start a new
type of bowl system. As I've discussed numerous times. I
don't want to discuss it here again today, but we
can just start from scratch and maybe create a different
type of a Bull season going forward. If anybody needs
any help, Chris Peterson, pass it around. I can fix
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college football if you will just give me a chance.
All right, Well, I don't know there's any fixing Sharon
Moore's existence right now. This story broke yesterday. If you
haven't heard it, sit down, because not only is it
a big story, not only is it a scanned but
it also impacts us here in Washington as well. I'll
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try to get through the details if you're just now
joining us here this morning. Sharon Moore was fired yesterday
as the head coach at Michigan for cause, and then
shortly after that we find out it's because of an unacceptable,
inappropriate that was the where the inappropriate relationship with a female
staffer there at Michigan. So he was fired. Well, obviously
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there's some salacious details to this, and right now that's
just speculation, so I won't report those as facts for
you this morning. If you want to chase that dragging
down the old social media trail, have fun. But obviously
the wife at home did not like what was going
on in Sharon Moore's closet, understandable, and so she had
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a domestic dispute with him sounds like kind of kicked
him out of the house, which he earned. And then
Sharon Moore seemed to have blamed somebody else for his
downfall and ended up breaking into a home and assaulting
someone else whose name we don't yet know yet in
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the process, and Charon Moore was arrested, detained mugshots. The
whole deal might still be in jail for all I know,
but he's obviously out at Michigan and probably is never
going to coach again. Yeah after you know, it was
bad enough that he lost his job and then what
he did afterwards. I don't know if anybody's gonna trust
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Sharon Moore with major responsibility at a major program ever. Again,
So how does this affect us? Well, believe it or not, Man,
what a twist. The two names most prominently mentioned to
replace Sharon Moore at Michigan Kaitlin de Moore and Jed
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I can't make it up. Nope, those are the two
names that people are saying are the most likely to
replace Sharon Moore at Michigan if Jedfish is once again
victim of his past and being dragged into another coaching
rumor situation that he wants no part of, than my
apologies to Jedfish. I'm just reporting the information Kaylen de
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Boor who had said when he was here, he had
suggested that the only job he would leave Washington for
would have been Michigan. So that seems to be the
top of his list. Yeah, and yet he left us
for Alabama. Would he leave Alabama for Michigan? There are
all sorts of rumors out there suggesting that even though
he acknowledges the program's strength, that yes, indeed, he's miserable
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there because of the way that the community has treated
him and his family since moving there. Don't know if
that's true either, but Kaylen de boor Jedfish both involved
in the Michigan replacing Sharon more rumors. And if that's
not enough, I heard one other name mentioned this morning,
Chris Peterson.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, so every single prominent name being mentioned at Michigan
is someone that has coached at Washington or at Washington.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It's just again, none of us. You can't make any
of this up.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
It seems like it just gets more and more absurd,
almost right, especially with the now with Kaelin de Boor,
who you think is finally getting his footing at Alabama, Right,
he finally doesn't he doesn't look so miserable when you
see him on TV, because he did look pretty miserable
for a while.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I think he still looks miserable, but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, but not as miserable.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It's like, on a scale of zero to ten, ten
being the most miserable. That's what he was last year.
I think he's like an eight. So it had seemed
to improve. And then, especially with the Jedfish thing, we
went through a month and a half.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Of is he gonna leave? Is he gonna leave?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And then it's no, I'm not leaving, And now it's yeah,
not no fault of his back to Oh, now we're
all gonna wonder if he's gonna leave again.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, And when it happens, it's going to happen quickly.
I mean, it could happen today.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I know that's I keep refreshing all X over here.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
It could happen today, and this thing could just absolutely
blow up. And then we start a coaching search all
over again, and then we'll steal somebody from another program
and demand Williams will go to Michigan and we'll take
the whoever's gonna trail the coach that we It's just
a mess, what a process.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's gonna happen quick.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
As he said, of all the things that need to
be fixed, that one needs to be fixed. Can we
interest you in Ty Willingham?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, I think he might be available, and he's really nice.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
All right. As I mentioned, we're kind of having to
blow up the clock to accommodate to Kurt Warner and
having him on the show today at seven point forty,
So we're gonna break right now. Coming back on the
other side, we've got some NFL news and notes to
pass along to as well. It's Chuck and Ashley with
you on a Thursday Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
This report is sponsored by Audible. We've had a lot.
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I don't know if you keep track of these things.
I don't know if you set your watch like your
morning routine around us in any fashion. So maybe I
don't have to tell you this, but we have blown
up the clock a little bit this hour to accommodate
the schedule of Kurt Warner so we could have them
on to talk about Philip Rivers. So he's going to
join us at seven forty this morning. We got the
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roundtable coming up at eight o'clock, and so we've got
this segment to Ashley to talk about a few really
interesting stories on a very interesting sports day from the
National Football League, and also to have a little bit
of fun. Let's play a little bit of a game here. Okay,
let's play the old man Oh all right, seems to
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be a topic going around in the National Football League
right now, age and whatnot. So let's play a little
bit of the old man game, old manalytics if you will, Okay, perfect,
I can't wait. All right, Let's start Philip Rivers. Is
there a better chance Philip Rivers leads the Colts to
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a win Sunday against the Seahawks or that he breaks
a hip crossing the street going into the stadiums.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Second, one second, one breaks the hip? For sure?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, I'm with you, And.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I don't mean that because I just mean it because
he has I don't think he's any chance to beat
the Seahawks exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
That's a precisely. I mean, I don't think he's going
to break his hip. He's forty four years old, for
goodness sake. I don't think I'm going to break my
I'm ten years older than Philip Rivers. I don't think
that he's going to break his hip. But I think
he's got a better chance of breaking his hip walking
across the street than he does being activated and beat
Mike McDonald and the Seahawks defense five years removed from
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the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, I mean, just think about what happened to Max Brosmer,
and he's young and nimble and then.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Has been practicing, has been practicing the team.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Yeah, yeah, I just can't see him.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Nah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I mean, it's a great story, and I really thought
when they signed him, the idea was we're in the
playoff race. Can we get him up to speed in time?
Can we not get eliminated with Brett ripping at quarterback
or Riley Leonard hobbled at quarterback? Can we just win
one of the two somehow squeeze it out and then
maybe get Rivers up to speed for the last couple
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of weeks of the year, and we might have a
better option with him, but to thrust him right into
this game against this defense. Yeah, it seems he's all
for it, and it's a great story no matter what happens.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yes, and again, I wish it wasn't happening against us
because I'd be cheering for him. But right now I'm
cheering for him to get smushed into the ground.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Maybe maybe we're crazy. I see zero chance that Philip Rivers.
I'm not saying the Colts have zero chance of winning
this weekend, but zero chance that Philip Rivers starts and
is ready to beat any team in the National Football League,
much less the Seahawks and their defense. Yeah, all right, next,
one better chance that Pete Carroll is back next season
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for the Raiders, or that he accidentally craps himself on
the sidelines before the season comes to a close.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It does get very excited sometimes.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
The old man game.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, it is the old man game, more.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
About more about being old, more of an old joke.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah, you know what I'm gonna say, There's probably a
better chance he craps himself because I just don't think
they're bringing him back again.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
We are step for step on this. Even though I
think Pete Carroll is very youthful and is not at
risk to do that at any moment. I still think
there's a better chance he does that before the season
comes to a close, probably in a crisp pair of
white pants. Oh, then it would be that he returns
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to the Raiders next season. I mean, think about it.
They brought him in there because they thought they were close. Yes,
maybe not super Bowl close. Also is a little delusional
on their part, But you don't bring in a seventy
five year old head coach if you're rebuilding. Okay, they
brought him in because they felt with what they have
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in house, they should be a player or two and
a little bit of veteran wisdom away from being a
playoff contender. They have the number one pick in the
draft right now, so they if nothing else learned this season,
we have to rebuild. We don't have a choice. We
thought we were closer than we actually are. We're the
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worst team in the National Football League. We can't rebuild
around a seventy five year old head coach.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, I feel like they'd talk to anybody. A lot
of people could have told them that you're really bad.
This isn't probably the route to go.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And I get why Pete took it and brings his enthusiasm.
Is like, I love coaching. This might be my last chance,
and sadly, I think that was your last chance. So
I certainly don't blame him for taking the job. I
think it was kind of foolish that the Raiders thought
they were that close.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's the foolish parts.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
And I didn't think they were that far away. I
really didn't. I didn't think Geno Smith was that bad.
Geno Smith's been the worst quarterback starting quarterback in the
NFL this year. It's not even close.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
He has been terrible. He has been terrible, even worse
than when Russell gets in the game. Well maybe not
that all right. Next one, Travis Kelsey. Better chance Travis Kelsey,
who can't figure out why he's not playing better might
be because you're in the old man game. Better chance
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Travis Kelsey reverts to his.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Pro pro both Pro Bowl form.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Before the seasons comes to a close, or that Taylor
talks him into getting a metal alert.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Bracelet just in case met alert bracelet, and I think
his old form is lung gone.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I mean, did you see him.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
He seems to think he can find it again. He
just can't figure it out. Where did it go?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
That third interception on Mahomes was not on Mahomes, that
was all Kelsey.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean, as he's like, well, what's the football.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I think he's still a good player. I think the
Chiefs problem is that they're still acting as if he's
still old Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I mean, I don't think Patrick Mahomes is worse than
what he's been in the past. But Patrick Mahomes does
not have one hundred and thirty catch fifteen hundred yards
from a tight end, yeah, fifteen touchdown Travis kelce anymore.
Travis Kelcey was so good and so effective in his
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role that, yes, he did make everybody else better. Think
about it, how much attention you had to pay Travis
Kelcey and he still ended up killing you. I think
the Chiefs are declining because they're still acting like they
still have old Travis Kelcey. They now no longer have
Tyreek Hill or Travis yr This is this is like
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Trevor Kelcey, This is like somebody else.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
He's not bad, He's that third Kelsey brother you didn't know.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, but he's just not what you had. Yeah, And
the offense seems to they've never had a good running game,
and yet they've also had seasons in which, after Tyreek
Hill left, will find receiver. But that's because you had
this tight end who did things no weather tight end
could do.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, and now he's not that guy anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
He's just a guy now, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Just a normal tight end.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Uh smart, Yeah, but he's not impactful. And I think
the Chiefs have still under the delusion, well, we got
Travis Kelcey. We don't need we don't need this. Yeah,
that to me, has been their biggest problem. Final One
and the old Man game. I can't wait Joe Burrow
retires from football prematurely or can't figure out how to
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reset the microwave clock after a power outage. What do
you think is more likely I had some concussion. Yeah,
I might not be aged.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I do think it's more likely that he retires from
football early.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
After what he's been talking about.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
It seems like he's kind of taking that Andrew luckroute
of maybe maybe I want to value the rest of
my life. I've got all this money, I want to
spend it and enjoy my life. I don't need to
make more, and I don't need to get injured and
spend my whole life rehabbing.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
We are in step on every single one of this.
He sounds like somebody that's like contemplating leaving, not trying
to get to another team. No, like I don't need
to do this anymore. Yeah, I'm tired of getting beat
up and I don't want to play the game another way.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I heard a stat this morning that he's been hit
more than any other quarterback in his career, Like, for
his career, including the playoffs, he has been hit more
than any other quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, and part of that is his fault. I mean, dude,
Tom Brady didn't play the game that way trying to
prove to everybody that he was more masculine and physical
than everybody else. He was tough, yeah, tough as nails,
but he didn't go out there every Sunday trying to
prove he was tougher and stronger than a linebacker and
Burrow does. It's his own stupidity that has cost him
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all the injuries that he's gone through. Partly he's at
a bad offensive line too, But you know, he's got
to be smarter, and so I think a lot of it,
not all of it. A lot of it rests on
his own shoulders why he's had so many injuries. But
he does not sound like somebody that enjoys the game anymore.
And I wouldn't be surprised at all if this offseason
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he didn't step away from it all right, Coming up next,
Kurt Warner's gonna join us here on the program talk
about Philip Rivers, Sam Darnold and more. It's Sports Radio
ninety three point three KHRFM. Hey, good morning, Happy Thursday
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to you. Yeah, messed around with the clock a little
bit here this morning, and I don't know if you
need to know that, but just in case it's throwing
you off a little bit, I wanted to let you
know because we want to be able to have as
much time as possible to chat with our next guest.
Kurt Warner is going to be joining us here in
a moment, the former quarterback, not the former Seawks running back.
This is the only city where we have to clarify
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that in all of America. I think twelve man Roundtable's
coming your way from eight to nine. So Greg Bell,
Hugh Millan cannot wait to get huge thoughts. Not that
I don't want to hear Greg's thoughts on Philip Rivers,
but I've already heard them this week. Haven't heard the
QB one's thoughts on this Philip Rivers story all week long,
and so looking forward to that coming up at eight o'clock.
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And same thing goes for our next guest joining us
now on the program. You know them from NFL Network.
You know them from the Monday night broadcast right here
on k JR. Does the color analyst for Monday Night
Football for Wes, but you know him better as Hall
of Fame quarterback of the Rams and Cardinals. He joins
us now here on Chuck and Buck. Kurt Warner is
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with us. Good morning, sir, Good morning, how are you hey?
Thank you very much for being with us. I got
to know, did the Colts call you?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
The Colts did not call me. No, I'm a little
too old for that call.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't know Philip Rivers, I mean five years away
from the game. Tell me, I mean, is this even
possible to be this? I'm not worried as much about
forty four years old Kurt. I'm worried about for him.
I mean not from a Seahawks perspective. Because it's probably
gonna benefit us. But can somebody at that quarterback position
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be away from this game five years and in two
days get ready two days of practice, get ready for
a National Football League game.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I mean, I can't answer that because I've never been there,
and I don't know who who has, you know, I mean,
it's it obviously sounds crazy, you know. I do remember,
you know, a number of years after I retired, but
the Cardinals here, we're having some issues with the cornerbacks
and some injuries, and you know, their speculation and maybe
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they should call Kurt. I remember going out in the
backyard and throwing the football around a little bit like, hey,
if they call, you know, you know, will I entertain it?
And all of those things. So, you know, I kind
of remember back to a few years after being out
of the league, and you know, my biggest issue wasn't
the physical part of it and in terms of you know,
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throwing a football or or being in shape. Uh, my
biggest worry and concern was the mental aspect of you know,
being able to get up to speed. So you know, A,
I could have success, B I could protect myself from
that standpoint. You know that that you know, being out
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of the game for five years and understanding, uh, you know,
the leaks in the game and what it takes to
play at that level. You know. I mean, to me,
it would be an incredible feed for him to come
back after a week and get out there and and
perform extremely well. I mean probably even to you know,
to perform at an average level after that would be
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pretty incredible because I respect the game so much, you
know that. Even when I was considered it, you know,
it was like, man, there was nothing in my mind
that said, oh, I can step back on that field
and in the short term be the same player I was,
you know years ago. I just respect the game and
what it is, and you know what it takes to
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be great at this level. I respected it too much
to think that I could be great, you know quickly.
You know that I think I could get up the
speed and get back there. Well yeah, I mean I
think all of us competitors think that. But that's kind
of what I look at here, man. You know, I
respect Philip for giving it a shot, and you know,
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for them to you know, try to uncover everything to
have success. And I think, like most of us were intrigued.
We're excited, were interested. We just wanted to end at
least fairly. Well, you know, like that's my biggest thing
is I just don't want this to be a bad thing,
you know. And you know, I should say another thing
that I was concerned about, you know, when when I
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was even just considering it, and the Cardinals never called it.
So it was never anything like like this with Philip.
But the other thing was just you know, the reaction
of your body to things that you haven't done. Like
I didn't want to be a guy that went back
out there and like you know, pull the hamstring or
pulled the muscle or or hurt something, you know, in
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the first ten plays of my first hit, because my
body wasn't ready you know, for a quick movement or
to take a hit or whatever that was. And so
that was another concern of mine. And so I think
that's the big concern for me, you know, as he
goes out there, is I don't want it to be
you know, so anticlimacting and he comes back and he
gets hurt and you know, maybe what we all expect,
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and I don't want him to go out there and
just get beat up because he's just not mentally able to,
you know, to handle the speed and everything that's coming
at him and the new offensive and all of that stuff.
And so I think there are some distinct challenges, without
a doubt, and you have to respect the game enough
to to just say, you know, I think it will
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be hard, you know, for for anybody to come back
and have, you know, a level of success in such
a short period of time.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
From a personal experience, and I cannot relate to what
it's like to be in NFL quarterback, but there was
a time where and I know you're probably picturing radio
guy just a dull boy, but there was a time
I was a pretty good shape individual and thought that
you you know, uh, thought I was incredibly fit, and
I decided to go out and play some flag football
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with I hadn't done in a while, and I, you know,
and I did well. But the next morning I could
hardly move because I was using muscles that I hadn't used,
even though I was going to the gym and I
was cardio work and weightlifting and everything else and felt
like I was in peak physical condition. I hadn't used
those muscles. So that was one of the things I
was wanted to ask you about because it's something we
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haven't talked that much about. I mean, just taking a
hit from an NFL player when you haven't done it
in five years? What is that going to do to
rattle Philip rivers bones on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
You know that anytime I do things now that I
haven't done in a while, the body definitely doesn't react
the way it did when I was younger, you know,
and you know, even just I mean, I think there's
something to you know, like when you're used to getting
to taking hits and your body's kind of a shock
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absorber to a degree, you know, so that that it's
just something normal, even though it's you know, you don't
want a three hundred pound guy ever falling on top
of you. Your body just you know, is used to that,
and it is used to that, you know that four
so that reaction and you bounce back from it, you know,
completely different than you know. I might have somebody come
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up and you know, hit me now in a pick
up basketball game and you think nothing of it in
the moment, and then you know you're walking around later
you're like, ash, what in the heck happened? Because I
don't remember anything crazy happening but my body's sore now.
So yeah, I just again, it's it's such uncharted territory.
I don't think any of us really know, and I
don't really know what Philip's been doing, you know, I
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know he's been coaching in a round ball a little bit.
I don't know he goes out there and throws and
does a little seven on seven with this, like all
of that stuff. You fascinates me because again I just
realized what goes into playing this position and how fast
it goes, and the details that make the great great
or that you know, make the you know, obviously a
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starting quot back in the NFL have success, and so
it's gonna be it's going to be a fascinating experience.
And you know, I will be very interested if he is,
you know, thrown out there on Sunday, you know, against
a really good football team and uh, you know, with
three or four days of practice.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, and that's the other aspect of the other side.
How do you deal with it? Kurt Warner as with
it's a Hall of famer talking about Philip Rivers looking
like he's going to not just play and suit up
for the Colts, but might start on Sunday against the Seahawks.
I have a hard time believing Kurt that Philip Rivers,
even though he had Shane Steichen's offense, that he was
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running there with his high school team. Can't imagine he
was able to replicate Mike McDonald's defense out there on
the high school practice field. So on the flip side,
if you're a defensive coach, I mean, what are you doing,
I mean, licking your chops, no mercy, getting ready to
prepare for possibly facing pill up Rivers on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, I mean I think, like anything, you know, you
have to you kind of temper it. But but I'm
sure people in the locker room are going seriously, like seriously,
we're you know, we're going out there on Sunday and
you know, in a critical game, and we're going up
against the guy that just came off the couch and
has been out of the league for five years. I mean,
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I'm sure that's you know, kind of the sentiment a
little bit in the locker room. Now, you never want
to disrespect anybody, especially a great player like the you know,
when he was playing and in his prime. But that
has to be part of, you know, the thought process
for this team, like as you said, you know, licking
your tops to a degree, just saying, oh my gosh,
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you know, no way in the first game back against
Dust and our defense is this guy going to have
any semblance of success. But at the same time, like
I said, you don't want to disrespect anybody. You don't
want to book past anybody, even though it's a crazy
scenario that probably nobody in that locker room has ever
experienced anything like it before. But you don't want to,
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you know, get over confident or kind of look past
it and go, oh, well, he can't have success. We
have no idea, Like we really have no idea what
this is going to look like. So you want to
respect it enough that you go out and put in
the work and you perform well, you know, to have
success and not let him have success. But yeah, there's
no question. I mean, as much as we're talking about
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it and I'm thinking about that, you know in my office, Yeah,
you know, like, oh my gosh, you know, going up
again this Like what what's Phil up thinking right now?
And I know he said, like you know, excited and nervous.
I mean I can only imagine, like you know, because
you know, there's a part of Philip too that's like, Man,
I don't want to go out and embarrass myself, right,
Like you know at the end of the day, I mean,
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we would all look past it and go, oh, it
was crazy anyways, until you know, I didn't have success,
nobody expected me to have success. But still, as competitors
and these guys that have been great in this business,
you never want to embarrass yourself either. And so you know,
I know he's going through some of those emotions, and
I'm sure you know the same thing on different levels
is happening in the locker room up there.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Well, yeah, it's just a phenomenal story, no matter how
the result comes out. Phenomenal story. And we're getting a
little sneak preview because I can't wait. I watch you
guys on NFL Network every Sunday morning, so I can't
wait to hear you break it down further.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Then.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
But before we let you go in our last couple
of minutes, I do want to get your thoughts. I
feel like to be wasting an opportunity if I didn't
get Kurt Warner's thoughts on Sam Darnold and the season
that he's having here with the Seahawks his first year
in the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I mean, Sam's I think doing doing a great job.
I think it's been a really great fit for him
with what you know, they want to do in the
way that they're playing. You know, Sam is a gifted player,
no question, and we've seen that, and it's been fun
to watch him grow and kind of come into his
own these last couple of years. But but you know,
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I love the system that they're running and how it
makes it I think easier on a quarterback with a
lot of their multiple tight end sets and running the
football and play action under center to simplify some things
on top of the other things. I mean, JSN has
been incredible. He's been a joy to watch, you know,
really come into his own and the route runner that
he is and what he's meant to Sam Darnold. But
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it's been fun. I think coach is doing a tremendous
job up there with the defense. I think this is
a really really good football team and you know, it
probably will at some point come down to Sam performing
in the past game against some of these good teams
in the playoffs and and can he you know, take
that next step from obviously where he was last year
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in the playoffs and what he's done in the regular season. Uh,
to be a guy that can you know, lead and
carry this team when needed in the in the drop
back pass game. But but really love where he's at
right now. I think this has been a great fit
for him, and it's been a great start to this
he's in so far. For everybody ever.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Here, who's JSN most similar to Larry and Kwan, Tory
Holt or Isaac Bruce? Which one is the most?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Who is? He reminded me, I would probably say Isaac.
You know, Isaac as great as all those other players were,
Isaac was the best route runner that I was ever around.
His ability to stop and start, his ability to explode
out of his cuts, the nuance that he brought to
the route running, and when I watched Jaysn, that to
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me is what jumps out. I mean, he's obviously physically
talented and everything, but his nuance and details to his
route running and how he's able to create space you
know by that nuance. Man, to me, he's the best
going right now in the NFL in terms of that
aspect of things, And so I would probably tie him.
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You know as close to Isaac as any of those guys.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, if Philip Rivers ends up beating the Seahawks doing
three touchdown passes, I'm expect you, Tom Brady everybody else
to be returning to the NFL by next year.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
So, Jesse, I'm ten years older than that now. So
when I was forty four, I probably would have thought
I could have done it as well. At fifty four,
I am not stupid enough to think that there would
be any chance of that.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I believe in you, Kurt Warner. I believe in you
stopped doubting yourself.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I greatly appreciate that, but I don't believe in myself
at this point.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
You need to author the second greatest American underdog story
in NFL history. Come on, now, that.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Would be fun. If you could guarantee I would have success.
No guarantees on that in this business. So well, we'll
all enjoy it. It'll be an interesting experience, and I
know everybody will be paying attention.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
All right, Well, thanks for joining us. Great stuff. We
appreciate it, and I'll be watching Sunday. Thanks Kurt WARNERFL
Hall of Fame or former Rams Cardinals the quarterback joining
us here on Chuck and Buck in the Mornings. Coming
up next, well, hear from our QB one Hugh Millen.
Haven't had his thoughts at least on the morning show
all week long on this Philip Rivers story. Greg Bell
(36:10):
of course, will join us as well. It's Roundtable time
on Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
Seven o'clock hour here on this Thursday morning. Great to
have you with us, not just good, great to have
you with us. And I don't over use that word,
so you know that it really comes from home.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, you mean it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Ashley Ryan is here. My name is Chuck Powell. Bucky
Jacobson not with us today, unfortunately, one of the many victims,
if you will, don't read into that too much of
the floodwaters that we have right now. Everything's fine with Bucky,
he's say, family safe, all is good. But with the
waters rising, obviously it was a little too dangerous to
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leave the household and leave the family this morning in
case they needed to evacuate. And so Bucky's not going
to be with us here today. Hopefully we'll have him
back tomorrow. Hopefully this rain stops, the waters receive, the
rivers recede, and we can get back to a normal
existence very soon. And for all of the those that
have been affected, like Bucky, our best to you. We're
(01:03):
thinking of you, and hopefully we can stop raining. I mean,
we accept the fact that there's gonna be some rain
in the Pacific Northwest, and we kind of like it,
most of us, I think, yeah, I kind of like it.
But this has been out of control.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, be safe.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This entire season has been out of control, and then.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Lately yeah stupid, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
All right, let's get to your frost brewed Corps light shoes,
Chill headlines. Cracking their biggest win of the year last night,
with what twenty six seconds left in regulation they tied
it up on a Matty Vanier's goal, and then in
overtime Vin's done with a picture perfect slap shot to
win it three to two. The final score much needed
(01:41):
win for Lane Lambert and the Cracking last night as
they take out the La Kings on national television. By
the way final score. There was three to two Major
League Baseball Winter meetings concluded yesterday. No trade activity. That's
the whole point of the Winter meetings.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, someone not get the memo.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, trade activity. But there were three monster free agent signings,
including one yesterday the Baltimore Ravens, who lost out on
the Kyle Schwarber bidding. They apparently the Orioles of all
teams did just as much as anyone else out there
on Kyle Schwarber. The Schwarber decided Ty goes to the
team that I'm already on. So he went back to
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the Philadelphia Phillies and the Orioles, who've decided, I don't
know why, I don't know what's happened. They're gonna spend
this offseason because they haven't spent ever. They then the
next day go all in on Pete Alonso. They've they's
paid even more for Alonso than what the Phillies did
for Kyle Schwarber the day before. So Pete Alonso leaves
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the Mets for the Baltimore Orioles. The Mariners didn't pull
off a trade. They did pull off the most recent
significant trade, and that was right before the Winter meetings.
But no trades from them over the last three days,
but perhaps some growth in trade areas. Who was accomplished
the last three days. We'll see if they make any moves.
We're still on Jree Polonko watch, among other things. There
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excuse me, that was a weird sound. The start of
the Week fifteen of the National Football League season is tonight.
It'll be Atlanta versus Tampa Bay. It's also the start
for many people for the fantasy football playoffs. You may
want to know Mike Evans is back for Tampa Bay tonight.
So is Jalen McMillan for that matter, if that maybe
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makes the decision on whether or not you start Baker
Mayfield to get your fantasy football playoffs started, or Mike
Evans or Chris Godwin junior. Who knows, But Tampa Bay
will be hosting the Atlanta Falcons. Start b John Robinson
if you've got him. The Seahawks will take on the
Colts on Sunday. And yes, it does look like Philip
Rivers has a very good chance. He's the favorite right
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now to start at quarterback for the Colts against the Seahawks,
kickoff at one twenty five.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I don't think there's going to be a morezy story
this entire season. And that includes sharn More, which we're
gonna get to here in a moment, but Philip Rivers,
we're gonna talk about it with Kurt Warner. We're gonna
blow up the clock today to talk with Kurt Warner
at seven point forty. He's gonna join us this morning.
And of course we've all been waiting for Hughes analysis
(04:18):
here on the Morning Show all week long, so we
can't wait to hear from you and Greg from eight
to nine with our twelfth Man Roundtable to talk about
Philip Rivers and this matchup college football. It is Army
Navy Week Saturday. The Heisman Trophy will be handed out Saturday.
The LA Bowl will be played Saturday, and we found
out it will be the final LA Bowl. That story
(04:40):
broke here today. Correct me if I'm wrong. You know
I don't really follow bowl games. Isn't this the first
LA Bowl game? As well?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
It is not all?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Okay, did I stand for?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
That's the Jimmy Kimmel Bowl originally, and Gronk took over. Okay,
And yeah, now it's the LA Bowl hosted by Gronk
and they call it something else that I don't quite
there's a long name, but either way, it is the
last one.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well, well, let me just cut it right to the chase.
Only one word that can describe this prestigious.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yes, well, and you'd probably be sad to know it
joins the Bahamas Bowl as the latest.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Bulls to be canceled. Oh I would mind going to
the Bahamas Bowl. I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Cancel them all except the big ones, tie them into
the tournament, and then then we can start a new
type of bowl system. As I've discussed numerous times. I
don't want to discuss it here again today, but we
can just start from scratch and maybe create a different
type of a Bull season going forward. If anybody needs
any help, Chris Peterson, pass it around. I can fix
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college football if you will just give me a chance.
All right, Well, I don't know there's any fixing Sharon
Moore's existence right now. This story broke yesterday. If you
haven't heard it, sit down, because not only is it
a big story, not only is it a scanned but
it also impacts us here in Washington as well. I'll
(06:04):
try to get through the details if you're just now
joining us here this morning. Sharon Moore was fired yesterday
as the head coach at Michigan for cause, and then
shortly after that we find out it's because of an unacceptable,
inappropriate that was the where the inappropriate relationship with a female
staffer there at Michigan. So he was fired. Well, obviously
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there's some salacious details to this, and right now that's
just speculation, so I won't report those as facts for
you this morning. If you want to chase that dragging
down the old social media trail, have fun. But obviously
the wife at home did not like what was going
on in Sharon Moore's closet, understandable, and so she had
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a domestic dispute with him sounds like kind of kicked
him out of the house, which he earned. And then
Sharon Moore seemed to have blamed somebody else for his
downfall and ended up breaking into a home and assaulting
someone else whose name we don't yet know yet in
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the process, and Charon Moore was arrested, detained mugshots. The
whole deal might still be in jail for all I know,
but he's obviously out at Michigan and probably is never
going to coach again. Yeah after you know, it was
bad enough that he lost his job and then what
he did afterwards. I don't know if anybody's gonna trust
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Sharon Moore with major responsibility at a major program ever. Again,
So how does this affect us? Well, believe it or not, Man,
what a twist. The two names most prominently mentioned to
replace Sharon Moore at Michigan Kaitlin de Moore and Jed
(08:01):
I can't make it up. Nope, those are the two
names that people are saying are the most likely to
replace Sharon Moore at Michigan if Jedfish is once again
victim of his past and being dragged into another coaching
rumor situation that he wants no part of, than my
apologies to Jedfish. I'm just reporting the information Kaylen de
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Boor who had said when he was here, he had
suggested that the only job he would leave Washington for
would have been Michigan. So that seems to be the
top of his list. Yeah, and yet he left us
for Alabama. Would he leave Alabama for Michigan? There are
all sorts of rumors out there suggesting that even though
he acknowledges the program's strength, that yes, indeed, he's miserable
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there because of the way that the community has treated
him and his family since moving there. Don't know if
that's true either, but Kaylen de boor Jedfish both involved
in the Michigan replacing Sharon more rumors. And if that's
not enough, I heard one other name mentioned this morning,
Chris Peterson.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, so every single prominent name being mentioned at Michigan
is someone that has coached at Washington or at Washington.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It's just again, none of us. You can't make any
of this up.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
It seems like it just gets more and more absurd,
almost right, especially with the now with Kaelin de Boor,
who you think is finally getting his footing at Alabama, Right,
he finally doesn't he doesn't look so miserable when you
see him on TV, because he did look pretty miserable
for a while.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I think he still looks miserable, but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, but not as miserable.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It's like, on a scale of zero to ten, ten
being the most miserable. That's what he was last year.
I think he's like an eight. So it had seemed
to improve. And then, especially with the Jedfish thing, we
went through a month and a half.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Of is he gonna leave? Is he gonna leave?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And then it's no, I'm not leaving, And now it's yeah,
not no fault of his back to Oh, now we're
all gonna wonder if he's gonna leave again.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, And when it happens, it's going to happen quickly.
I mean, it could happen today.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I know that's I keep refreshing all X over here.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
It could happen today, and this thing could just absolutely
blow up. And then we start a coaching search all
over again, and then we'll steal somebody from another program
and demand Williams will go to Michigan and we'll take
the whoever's gonna trail the coach that we It's just
a mess, what a process.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's gonna happen quick.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
As he said, of all the things that need to
be fixed, that one needs to be fixed. Can we
interest you in Ty Willingham?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, I think he might be available, and he's really nice.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
All right. As I mentioned, we're kind of having to
blow up the clock to accommodate to Kurt Warner and
having him on the show today at seven point forty,
So we're gonna break right now. Coming back on the
other side, we've got some NFL news and notes to
pass along to as well. It's Chuck and Ashley with
you on a Thursday Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
This report is sponsored by Audible. We've had a lot.
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I don't know if you keep track of these things.
I don't know if you set your watch like your
morning routine around us in any fashion. So maybe I
don't have to tell you this, but we have blown
up the clock a little bit this hour to accommodate
the schedule of Kurt Warner so we could have them
on to talk about Philip Rivers. So he's going to
join us at seven forty this morning. We got the
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roundtable coming up at eight o'clock, and so we've got
this segment to Ashley to talk about a few really
interesting stories on a very interesting sports day from the
National Football League, and also to have a little bit
of fun. Let's play a little bit of a game here. Okay,
let's play the old man Oh all right, seems to
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be a topic going around in the National Football League
right now, age and whatnot. So let's play a little
bit of the old man game, old manalytics if you will, Okay, perfect,
I can't wait. All right, Let's start Philip Rivers. Is
there a better chance Philip Rivers leads the Colts to
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a win Sunday against the Seahawks or that he breaks
a hip crossing the street going into the stadiums.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Second, one second, one breaks the hip? For sure?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, I'm with you, And.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I don't mean that because I just mean it because
he has I don't think he's any chance to beat
the Seahawks exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
That's a precisely. I mean, I don't think he's going
to break his hip. He's forty four years old, for
goodness sake. I don't think I'm going to break my
I'm ten years older than Philip Rivers. I don't think
that he's going to break his hip. But I think
he's got a better chance of breaking his hip walking
across the street than he does being activated and beat
Mike McDonald and the Seahawks defense five years removed from
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the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, I mean, just think about what happened to Max Brosmer,
and he's young and nimble and then.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Has been practicing, has been practicing the team.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Yeah, yeah, I just can't see him.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Nah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I mean, it's a great story, and I really thought
when they signed him, the idea was we're in the
playoff race. Can we get him up to speed in time?
Can we not get eliminated with Brett ripping at quarterback
or Riley Leonard hobbled at quarterback? Can we just win
one of the two somehow squeeze it out and then
maybe get Rivers up to speed for the last couple
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of weeks of the year, and we might have a
better option with him, but to thrust him right into
this game against this defense. Yeah, it seems he's all
for it, and it's a great story no matter what happens.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yes, and again, I wish it wasn't happening against us
because I'd be cheering for him. But right now I'm
cheering for him to get smushed into the ground.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Maybe maybe we're crazy. I see zero chance that Philip Rivers.
I'm not saying the Colts have zero chance of winning
this weekend, but zero chance that Philip Rivers starts and
is ready to beat any team in the National Football League,
much less the Seahawks and their defense. Yeah, all right, next,
one better chance that Pete Carroll is back next season
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for the Raiders, or that he accidentally craps himself on
the sidelines before the season comes to a close.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
It does get very excited sometimes.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
The old man game.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, it is the old man game, more.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
About more about being old, more of an old joke.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah, you know what I'm gonna say, There's probably a
better chance he craps himself because I just don't think
they're bringing him back again.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
We are step for step on this. Even though I
think Pete Carroll is very youthful and is not at
risk to do that at any moment. I still think
there's a better chance he does that before the season
comes to a close, probably in a crisp pair of
white pants. Oh, then it would be that he returns
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to the Raiders next season. I mean, think about it.
They brought him in there because they thought they were close. Yes,
maybe not super Bowl close. Also is a little delusional
on their part, But you don't bring in a seventy
five year old head coach if you're rebuilding. Okay, they
brought him in because they felt with what they have
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in house, they should be a player or two and
a little bit of veteran wisdom away from being a
playoff contender. They have the number one pick in the
draft right now, so they if nothing else learned this season,
we have to rebuild. We don't have a choice. We
thought we were closer than we actually are. We're the
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worst team in the National Football League. We can't rebuild
around a seventy five year old head coach.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, I feel like they'd talk to anybody. A lot
of people could have told them that you're really bad.
This isn't probably the route to go.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And I get why Pete took it and brings his enthusiasm.
Is like, I love coaching. This might be my last chance,
and sadly, I think that was your last chance. So
I certainly don't blame him for taking the job. I
think it was kind of foolish that the Raiders thought
they were that close.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's the foolish parts.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
And I didn't think they were that far away. I
really didn't. I didn't think Geno Smith was that bad.
Geno Smith's been the worst quarterback starting quarterback in the
NFL this year. It's not even close.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
He has been terrible. He has been terrible, even worse
than when Russell gets in the game. Well maybe not
that all right. Next one, Travis Kelsey. Better chance Travis Kelsey,
who can't figure out why he's not playing better might
be because you're in the old man game. Better chance
(16:50):
Travis Kelsey reverts to his.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Pro pro both Pro Bowl form.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Before the seasons comes to a close, or that Taylor
talks him into getting a metal alert.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Bracelet just in case met alert bracelet, and I think
his old form is lung gone.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I mean, did you see him.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
He seems to think he can find it again. He
just can't figure it out. Where did it go?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
That third interception on Mahomes was not on Mahomes, that
was all Kelsey.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean, as he's like, well, what's the football.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I think he's still a good player. I think the
Chiefs problem is that they're still acting as if he's
still old Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I mean, I don't think Patrick Mahomes is worse than
what he's been in the past. But Patrick Mahomes does
not have one hundred and thirty catch fifteen hundred yards
from a tight end, yeah, fifteen touchdown Travis kelce anymore.
Travis Kelcey was so good and so effective in his
(17:56):
role that, yes, he did make everybody else better. Think
about it, how much attention you had to pay Travis
Kelcey and he still ended up killing you. I think
the Chiefs are declining because they're still acting like they
still have old Travis Kelcey. They now no longer have
Tyreek Hill or Travis yr This is this is like
(18:17):
Trevor Kelcey, This is like somebody else.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
He's not bad, He's that third Kelsey brother you didn't know.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, but he's just not what you had. Yeah, And
the offense seems to they've never had a good running game,
and yet they've also had seasons in which, after Tyreek
Hill left, will find receiver. But that's because you had
this tight end who did things no weather tight end
could do.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, and now he's not that guy anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
He's just a guy now, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Just a normal tight end.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Uh smart, Yeah, but he's not impactful. And I think
the Chiefs have still under the delusion, well, we got
Travis Kelcey. We don't need we don't need this. Yeah,
that to me, has been their biggest problem. Final One
and the old Man game. I can't wait Joe Burrow
retires from football prematurely or can't figure out how to
(19:08):
reset the microwave clock after a power outage. What do
you think is more likely I had some concussion. Yeah,
I might not be aged.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I do think it's more likely that he retires from
football early.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
After what he's been talking about.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
It seems like he's kind of taking that Andrew luckroute
of maybe maybe I want to value the rest of
my life. I've got all this money, I want to
spend it and enjoy my life. I don't need to
make more, and I don't need to get injured and
spend my whole life rehabbing.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
We are in step on every single one of this.
He sounds like somebody that's like contemplating leaving, not trying
to get to another team. No, like I don't need
to do this anymore. Yeah, I'm tired of getting beat
up and I don't want to play the game another way.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I heard a stat this morning that he's been hit
more than any other quarterback in his career, Like, for
his career, including the playoffs, he has been hit more
than any other quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, and part of that is his fault. I mean, dude,
Tom Brady didn't play the game that way trying to
prove to everybody that he was more masculine and physical
than everybody else. He was tough, yeah, tough as nails,
but he didn't go out there every Sunday trying to
prove he was tougher and stronger than a linebacker and
Burrow does. It's his own stupidity that has cost him
(20:17):
all the injuries that he's gone through. Partly he's at
a bad offensive line too, But you know, he's got
to be smarter, and so I think a lot of it,
not all of it. A lot of it rests on
his own shoulders why he's had so many injuries. But
he does not sound like somebody that enjoys the game anymore.
And I wouldn't be surprised at all if this offseason
(20:39):
he didn't step away from it all right, Coming up next,
Kurt Warner's gonna join us here on the program talk
about Philip Rivers, Sam Darnold and more. It's Sports Radio
ninety three point three KHRFM. Hey, good morning, Happy Thursday
(21:04):
to you. Yeah, messed around with the clock a little
bit here this morning, and I don't know if you
need to know that, but just in case it's throwing
you off a little bit, I wanted to let you
know because we want to be able to have as
much time as possible to chat with our next guest.
Kurt Warner is going to be joining us here in
a moment, the former quarterback, not the former Seawks running back.
This is the only city where we have to clarify
(21:24):
that in all of America. I think twelve man Roundtable's
coming your way from eight to nine. So Greg Bell,
Hugh Millan cannot wait to get huge thoughts. Not that
I don't want to hear Greg's thoughts on Philip Rivers,
but I've already heard them this week. Haven't heard the
QB one's thoughts on this Philip Rivers story all week long,
and so looking forward to that coming up at eight o'clock.
(21:46):
And same thing goes for our next guest joining us
now on the program. You know them from NFL Network.
You know them from the Monday night broadcast right here
on k JR. Does the color analyst for Monday Night
Football for Wes, but you know him better as Hall
of Fame quarterback of the Rams and Cardinals. He joins
us now here on Chuck and Buck. Kurt Warner is
(22:08):
with us. Good morning, sir, Good morning, how are you hey?
Thank you very much for being with us. I got
to know, did the Colts call you?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
The Colts did not call me. No, I'm a little
too old for that call.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't know Philip Rivers, I mean five years away
from the game. Tell me, I mean, is this even
possible to be this? I'm not worried as much about
forty four years old Kurt. I'm worried about for him.
I mean not from a Seahawks perspective. Because it's probably
gonna benefit us. But can somebody at that quarterback position
(22:42):
be away from this game five years and in two
days get ready two days of practice, get ready for
a National Football League game.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I mean, I can't answer that because I've never been there,
and I don't know who who has, you know, I mean,
it's it obviously sounds crazy, you know. I do remember,
you know, a number of years after I retired, but
the Cardinals here, we're having some issues with the cornerbacks
and some injuries, and you know, their speculation and maybe
(23:14):
they should call Kurt. I remember going out in the
backyard and throwing the football around a little bit like, hey,
if they call, you know, you know, will I entertain it?
And all of those things. So, you know, I kind
of remember back to a few years after being out
of the league, and you know, my biggest issue wasn't
the physical part of it and in terms of you know,
(23:35):
throwing a football or or being in shape. Uh, my
biggest worry and concern was the mental aspect of you know,
being able to get up to speed. So you know, A,
I could have success, B I could protect myself from
that standpoint. You know that that you know, being out
(23:56):
of the game for five years and understanding, uh, you know,
the leaks in the game and what it takes to
play at that level. You know. I mean, to me,
it would be an incredible feed for him to come
back after a week and get out there and and
perform extremely well. I mean probably even to you know,
to perform at an average level after that would be
(24:21):
pretty incredible because I respect the game so much, you
know that. Even when I was considered it, you know,
it was like, man, there was nothing in my mind
that said, oh, I can step back on that field
and in the short term be the same player I was,
you know years ago. I just respect the game and
what it is, and you know what it takes to
(24:43):
be great at this level. I respected it too much
to think that I could be great, you know quickly.
You know that I think I could get up the
speed and get back there. Well yeah, I mean I
think all of us competitors think that. But that's kind
of what I look at here, man. You know, I
respect Philip for giving it a shot, and you know,
(25:04):
for them to you know, try to uncover everything to
have success. And I think, like most of us were intrigued.
We're excited, were interested. We just wanted to end at
least fairly. Well, you know, like that's my biggest thing
is I just don't want this to be a bad thing,
you know. And you know, I should say another thing
that I was concerned about, you know, when when I
(25:26):
was even just considering it, and the Cardinals never called it.
So it was never anything like like this with Philip.
But the other thing was just you know, the reaction
of your body to things that you haven't done. Like
I didn't want to be a guy that went back
out there and like you know, pull the hamstring or
pulled the muscle or or hurt something, you know, in
(25:46):
the first ten plays of my first hit, because my
body wasn't ready you know, for a quick movement or
to take a hit or whatever that was. And so
that was another concern of mine. And so I think
that's the big concern for me, you know, as he
goes out there, is I don't want it to be
you know, so anticlimacting and he comes back and he
gets hurt and you know, maybe what we all expect,
(26:09):
and I don't want him to go out there and
just get beat up because he's just not mentally able to,
you know, to handle the speed and everything that's coming
at him and the new offensive and all of that stuff.
And so I think there are some distinct challenges, without
a doubt, and you have to respect the game enough
to to just say, you know, I think it will
(26:29):
be hard, you know, for for anybody to come back
and have, you know, a level of success in such
a short period of time.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
From a personal experience, and I cannot relate to what
it's like to be in NFL quarterback, but there was
a time where and I know you're probably picturing radio
guy just a dull boy, but there was a time
I was a pretty good shape individual and thought that
you you know, uh, thought I was incredibly fit, and
I decided to go out and play some flag football
(26:59):
with I hadn't done in a while, and I, you know,
and I did well. But the next morning I could
hardly move because I was using muscles that I hadn't used,
even though I was going to the gym and I
was cardio work and weightlifting and everything else and felt
like I was in peak physical condition. I hadn't used
those muscles. So that was one of the things I
was wanted to ask you about because it's something we
(27:21):
haven't talked that much about. I mean, just taking a
hit from an NFL player when you haven't done it
in five years? What is that going to do to
rattle Philip rivers bones on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
You know that anytime I do things now that I
haven't done in a while, the body definitely doesn't react
the way it did when I was younger, you know,
and you know, even just I mean, I think there's
something to you know, like when you're used to getting
to taking hits and your body's kind of a shock
(27:57):
absorber to a degree, you know, so that that it's
just something normal, even though it's you know, you don't
want a three hundred pound guy ever falling on top
of you. Your body just you know, is used to that,
and it is used to that, you know that four
so that reaction and you bounce back from it, you know,
completely different than you know. I might have somebody come
(28:17):
up and you know, hit me now in a pick
up basketball game and you think nothing of it in
the moment, and then you know you're walking around later
you're like, ash, what in the heck happened? Because I
don't remember anything crazy happening but my body's sore now.
So yeah, I just again, it's it's such uncharted territory.
I don't think any of us really know, and I
don't really know what Philip's been doing, you know, I
(28:38):
know he's been coaching in a round ball a little bit.
I don't know he goes out there and throws and
does a little seven on seven with this, like all
of that stuff. You fascinates me because again I just
realized what goes into playing this position and how fast
it goes, and the details that make the great great
or that you know, make the you know, obviously a
(28:59):
starting quot back in the NFL have success, and so
it's gonna be it's going to be a fascinating experience.
And you know, I will be very interested if he is,
you know, thrown out there on Sunday, you know, against
a really good football team and uh, you know, with
three or four days of practice.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, and that's the other aspect of the other side.
How do you deal with it? Kurt Warner as with
it's a Hall of famer talking about Philip Rivers looking
like he's going to not just play and suit up
for the Colts, but might start on Sunday against the Seahawks.
I have a hard time believing Kurt that Philip Rivers,
even though he had Shane Steichen's offense, that he was
(29:38):
running there with his high school team. Can't imagine he
was able to replicate Mike McDonald's defense out there on
the high school practice field. So on the flip side,
if you're a defensive coach, I mean, what are you doing,
I mean, licking your chops, no mercy, getting ready to
prepare for possibly facing pill up Rivers on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, I mean I think, like anything, you know, you
have to you kind of temper it. But but I'm
sure people in the locker room are going seriously, like seriously,
we're you know, we're going out there on Sunday and
you know, in a critical game, and we're going up
against the guy that just came off the couch and
has been out of the league for five years. I mean,
(30:26):
I'm sure that's you know, kind of the sentiment a
little bit in the locker room. Now, you never want
to disrespect anybody, especially a great player like the you know,
when he was playing and in his prime. But that
has to be part of, you know, the thought process
for this team, like as you said, you know, licking
your tops to a degree, just saying, oh my gosh,
(30:47):
you know, no way in the first game back against
Dust and our defense is this guy going to have
any semblance of success. But at the same time, like
I said, you don't want to disrespect anybody. You don't
want to book past anybody, even though it's a crazy
scenario that probably nobody in that locker room has ever
experienced anything like it before. But you don't want to,
(31:08):
you know, get over confident or kind of look past
it and go, oh, well, he can't have success. We
have no idea, Like we really have no idea what
this is going to look like. So you want to
respect it enough that you go out and put in
the work and you perform well, you know, to have
success and not let him have success. But yeah, there's
no question. I mean, as much as we're talking about
(31:29):
it and I'm thinking about that, you know in my office, Yeah,
you know, like, oh my gosh, you know, going up
again this Like what what's Phil up thinking right now?
And I know he said, like you know, excited and nervous.
I mean I can only imagine, like you know, because
you know, there's a part of Philip too that's like, Man,
I don't want to go out and embarrass myself, right,
Like you know at the end of the day, I mean,
(31:50):
we would all look past it and go, oh, it
was crazy anyways, until you know, I didn't have success,
nobody expected me to have success. But still, as competitors
and these guys that have been great in this business,
you never want to embarrass yourself either. And so you know,
I know he's going through some of those emotions, and
I'm sure you know the same thing on different levels
is happening in the locker room up there.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Well, yeah, it's just a phenomenal story, no matter how
the result comes out. Phenomenal story. And we're getting a
little sneak preview because I can't wait. I watch you
guys on NFL Network every Sunday morning, so I can't
wait to hear you break it down further.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Then.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
But before we let you go in our last couple
of minutes, I do want to get your thoughts. I
feel like to be wasting an opportunity if I didn't
get Kurt Warner's thoughts on Sam Darnold and the season
that he's having here with the Seahawks his first year
in the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I mean, Sam's I think doing doing a great job.
I think it's been a really great fit for him
with what you know, they want to do in the
way that they're playing. You know, Sam is a gifted player,
no question, and we've seen that, and it's been fun
to watch him grow and kind of come into his
own these last couple of years. But but you know,
(33:02):
I love the system that they're running and how it
makes it I think easier on a quarterback with a
lot of their multiple tight end sets and running the
football and play action under center to simplify some things
on top of the other things. I mean, JSN has
been incredible. He's been a joy to watch, you know,
really come into his own and the route runner that
he is and what he's meant to Sam Darnold. But
(33:23):
it's been fun. I think coach is doing a tremendous
job up there with the defense. I think this is
a really really good football team and you know, it
probably will at some point come down to Sam performing
in the past game against some of these good teams
in the playoffs and and can he you know, take
that next step from obviously where he was last year
(33:43):
in the playoffs and what he's done in the regular season. Uh,
to be a guy that can you know, lead and
carry this team when needed in the in the drop
back pass game. But but really love where he's at
right now. I think this has been a great fit
for him, and it's been a great start to this
he's in so far. For everybody ever.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Here, who's JSN most similar to Larry and Kwan, Tory
Holt or Isaac Bruce? Which one is the most?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Who is? He reminded me, I would probably say Isaac.
You know, Isaac as great as all those other players were,
Isaac was the best route runner that I was ever around.
His ability to stop and start, his ability to explode
out of his cuts, the nuance that he brought to
the route running, and when I watched Jaysn, that to
(34:29):
me is what jumps out. I mean, he's obviously physically
talented and everything, but his nuance and details to his
route running and how he's able to create space you
know by that nuance. Man, to me, he's the best
going right now in the NFL in terms of that
aspect of things, And so I would probably tie him.
(34:51):
You know as close to Isaac as any of those guys.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, if Philip Rivers ends up beating the Seahawks doing
three touchdown passes, I'm expect you, Tom Brady everybody else
to be returning to the NFL by next year.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
So, Jesse, I'm ten years older than that now. So
when I was forty four, I probably would have thought
I could have done it as well. At fifty four,
I am not stupid enough to think that there would
be any chance of that.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I believe in you, Kurt Warner. I believe in you
stopped doubting yourself.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I greatly appreciate that, but I don't believe in myself
at this point.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
You need to author the second greatest American underdog story
in NFL history. Come on, now, that.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Would be fun. If you could guarantee I would have success.
No guarantees on that in this business. So well, we'll
all enjoy it. It'll be an interesting experience, and I
know everybody will be paying attention.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
All right, Well, thanks for joining us. Great stuff. We
appreciate it, and I'll be watching Sunday. Thanks Kurt WARNERFL
Hall of Fame or former Rams Cardinals the quarterback joining
us here on Chuck and Buck in the Mornings. Coming
up next, well, hear from our QB one Hugh Millen.
Haven't had his thoughts at least on the morning show
all week long on this Philip Rivers story. Greg Bell
(36:10):
of course, will join us as well. It's Roundtable time
on Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
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