December 17, 2025 • 34 mins
Headlines and 12th Man News with GREGG BELL (Tacoma News Tribune) What’s the latest updates on Charles Cross and Davante Adams and how will both teams compensate if their guy is out? Remember Jalen Milroe? He used to have some packages early in the season, will the Hawks consider using him tomorrow? How will the Hawks handle the weather and will they push the run-game? What are Josh Jones strengths and do we feel confident in him stepping in to replace Charles Cross? What should we expect that we haven’t seen before? :30- NFL News & Notes - The Dolphins are benching Tua and will start Quinn Ewers this weekend. They’re already eliminated from the playoffs, is it the right move? - Should more teams out of the playoffs be benching their QB’s? :45- It’s time to get Reckless at Breakfast! The last time the Seahawks and Rams met, the Rams won the game, even though it seemed the Hawks outplayed them. Did The Seahawks actually outperform their NFC West rivals? We break it down. The Seahawks have a chance at revenge and weather could play a factor, but if Seattle can win the turnover battle (or lose it by less), they should be in good shape.
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That's now what nine out of ten games that they
have lost. Yes, they were taking on the best team
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in the NHL right now, the Colorado Avalanche, and yes
they led at one point in the second period in
that contest, but they end up coughing up the lead
losing got an empty net goal late. Wasn't as bad
as what it looked like it was about a one
goal difference in that game, but it ends up being
five to three is your final score. So the Krakens
losing ways continue. They can't seem to get out of
(01:29):
this slump right now, nine losses in their last ten games.
They'll try to end the skid in Calgary against the Flames,
and that game will be tomorrow night at six o'clock.
Let's take a look at the rest of your frost
brewed corps light choose chill headlines from the NBA. The
NBA Cup was determined last night. This end season tournament
(01:50):
that the NBA is trying to convince us is really cool,
and yet it really feels like players are embarrassed to
win it. That's probably not a good thing for Adam Silver.
But based on Adam Silver's other report yesterday that he
is going to announce in twenty twenty six the expansion
plans for the National Basketball Association, we should probably be
(02:12):
kissing up to the commissioner right now. So I'll say, man,
I love that NBA Cup. What theater you've created, Adam Silver.
You are a genius the.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Way you paint those floors to give everyone a headache amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Ah Man, and it is NonStop, breathtaking action. I think
it's nearly as good as the NBA.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Finals, probably better, but just halfway through the season, it's
like two of them.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Two championships. Silver said that yes, he's put Seattle in
Vegas through too much waiting for this announcement, and he
really didn't mention anybody else. He kind of lumped in
the rest of the world with other possibilities for expansion.
He named Seattle and Las Vegas individually collectively. He said,
(02:55):
we will make an announcement in twenty twenty six. Enough
of this, so yeah, yes, that is a bit of
news that we certainly will discuss a little bit later
on in the show. It's college football playoff week. Oklahoma
and Alabama will get it started on Friday night at
five o'clock. There'll be three games on Saturday. Also from
college football, Jeremiah Love announced his intentions to enter the
(03:18):
NFL Draft. Very likely he'll be a top ten pick,
maybe even a top five pick, even though he plays
the running back position. Mariners made a signing yesterday. They
signed a true backup catcher yesterday, Andrew Kisner to a
one year deal. So Kissner is just to give you
a scouting report. My dad used to make He made
(03:38):
me a pitch back when I was a kid because
he couldn't always be home to catch and throw it
back to me. So he made it like this pitchback thing.
It was like this square thing with a net and
it would just launch the ball right back to me.
That's pretty much Andrew Kissner. He's a pitch back with feet.
Oh yeah, that's the role that he will play. And
of course in the National Football League, Thursday Night Football
(04:01):
gets it started and we are at the heart of
the football world. Seattle will host the Los Angeles Rams tomorrow,
the biggest game of the regular season. Time to talk
more about it with our Seahawks insider Greg Bell.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
With the bell tolls.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
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Speaker 3 (04:36):
Good morning, Greg. All right, well, here we are just
a day away. I mean, we're already days into this
conversation about this game, but that's how big it is.
And of course so we highlight injury reports more so
than ever we have. Do we have any updated information
on our left tackle and their number two wide receiver today.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Well, they both were estimated not practicing. Again, the Seahawks
had a t shirt practice or walked through, and they
said if had they had a fuller practice that they
estimate that Charles Cross was not a practice with the
hamstring issue to Vante Adams, same thing for Los Angeles. Look,
hamstring issues are probably the wrong injury to try to
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go three days rest and play two games on, and
especially with two teams that are going to be playing
in January. So I would be surprised at this point
if either one of them play. The word I'm getting
from friends of mine that around the Rams in LA
say that Adams is probably not going to play. But
the McVeigh is kind of doing a little bit of
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gamesmanship by saying we'll take it up to game time.
I'm pretty sure that's what McDonald's going to say the
same thing about Charles Cross today. But I would be
surprised if either one plays, that means Josh Jones at
left tackle, and it means probably more of a three
tight ends. For the Rams, they played twenty four and
a half percent, almost twenty five percent, one out of
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every four plays in three tight ends, by far the
most in the league. The league average is five percent.
Colby Parkinson has been very good for them in the
former Seahawks, of course that they drafted first four years
in the league with Seattle. He's been the primary thrust
of that. But they have a Terrence Ferguson, a rookie
that also sixty six two hundred and fifty pounds. Becomes
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a matchup nightmare when you have to cover Parkinson and
Ferguson and a third tight end who has three touchdowns.
But I wrote for the News Tribune yesterday, I think
the Seahawks and the Seahawks think the Seahawks are uniquely
prepared for this because of Nick emon Warry in particular,
they have an asset that not anybody else has. They
can mix, mix and match Witherspoon and Emon Warrey on.
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If they go three tight ends, it could put Witherspoon
on Coopum the Coua. They can even put Nicky Moon
Warrey on Poopoo the cooah, because we've seen even Warrey
even covering Justin Jefferson. So, like I said yesterday, I
think Mike McDonald's got unlike any other defense in MINDA league.
I think he's got Sean McVay. I think we may
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see that again the Morrow night.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
So if it is Josh Jones, and I'm with you,
I think that the hamstrings, those are touchy ones. I
remember in college polling one and then I came back
too soon and next thing you know, is a lingering
thing for the rest of the season. So I think
they do take those really seriously. That just Jones, is
there a drop off because I mean, looking at some
of the stats and his limited amount of time, he
actually looked pretty good out there.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
He isn't good and that's why they signed m to
be a swing tackle. He came in the other day
at right tackle when Abe Lucas was getting checked for
a few plays that Lucas was signing to finish the game.
But sure there's a drop off. Otherwise Josh Jones will
be starting. They have the strength of their offensive line
coming in the season. Was their two starting tackles so
if one of us not gonna play in the biggest
game of the year, yeah, absolutely, that's a drop off.
(07:57):
But again, this is why they signed Josh Jones and
who's played both sides of the line and tackle both
sides of the line of guard, most recently for the Ravens,
but for Houston and other teams. This is why he's here.
So go do what you've been signed to do.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Greg bellis with us our Seahawks insider. It's interesting you
brought up the name Robbie Ootz yesterday. Maybe we'll see
more of him. I'm also thinking back to me too. Yeah,
I think I'm also thinking back to training camp when
Jalen Milroe was supposed to have a package all season long,
and we haven't heard the name Jalen Milroe in weeks.
Maybe it's pointless to ask about him with such a
(08:34):
big game tomorrow, But is there a chance that there's
a couple of little wrinkles involving him since we've forgotten
about him and maybe the Rams have as well.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
There's a chance, but they've time. They decided that roster
spots are more important than a gimmicky third quarterback package.
Plays might read on this I've talked to Andrew Johnico,
the quarterbacks coach, talk to King Kubac about him. They've
decided this is basically a rich shirt year for him,
and because they're not getting consistent push and blocking in
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the run game, they decided to scrap this whole experiment
for the time being. Okay, I think that's what I
think that. I mean, basically, it's been if we can't
block for Kenneth Walker, why are we going to put
Jana Miller out there and try and get him beat up?
So I think that's where it's at right now, and
this is a red shirt season for him. All right.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Well, I mean there's some concern with some of the
weather that's rolling in. Obviously, I'm just con The Seahawks
like to run. They like to make sure that they
let everybody know we're not afraid to run, even if
it's not being super effective, if it's really super windy.
Do you see them even doubling down on that more Unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well unfortunately in a way, yes, because unfortunately, you'd say,
because of their results forty nine yards on twenty two
carries against the Colts, they still lead the league in
most run play forty eight percent of the time they're running,
yet they're fifth to last, and how much they're getting
three point nine yards per carry, And that's the problem.
(10:12):
I think they're going to I don't know to answer
your question. They're not just going to throw up their
hands and say we're not running it anymore. And the
conditions tomorrow will be such that they may even do
it even more. I think the Rams the same way.
This is not a night. If the win now, the
rain they can deal with, and we've talked about that.
But if this is as windy as they're predicting, then
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I don't see this as a game that Stafford throws
it around forty times, and they Seahawks have been in
the run either keep saying it. They ain't going anywhere
until they run the ball. Not winning the West, not
having home playoff games, not win the Super Bowl. If
they don't win tomorrow, Guys, the Seahawks are strong. I
mean it would take a catastrophic failure or the Rams
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to lose the division if they don't win tomorrow. The
Rams don't win tomorrow. But if the Seahawks don't win tomorrow,
we're looking at at Tampa, at Chicago or Green Bay
to start the playoffs. Now, nobody is so running away
with this that you can look at any team and say, well,
the Sea Owks have no chance against them. But that's
not exactly a recipe to go win the Super Bowl,
Go to Tampa Bay, go to Chicago, and go to
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whoever's left. If after you've won those two games, that's
a tough gauntlet to go. The Seaks can do it
because of the defense they have, but the path is
going to get a lot harder than to win tomorrow.
I think they're going to keep running it. We'll see
if any effectiveness at all k Charles Cross not in
it doesn't help.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It's been so long since we've evaluated Josh Jones, and
I thought he looked terrific in the preseason, particularly, But
what I mean, if you do have to run the
run the ball more because of weather or because of effectiveness,
whatever the case may be, does Josh Jones what's his profile?
Is he a better pass blocker run blocker? How would
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we describe Josh Jones at this stage if he is
in fact replacing Charles Cross.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Well, it's been in the league because it was pass blocking.
It's a past league. But the teams. He's played for
Houston and Baltimore before this particular run the ball more
than most teams do, especially Baltimore and the Baltimore profile,
even though it was only a year or so that
he was there. Is why he's with Seattle. So the
answer is both and again, this is why you do this.
(12:26):
This is why you sign a veteran swing guy. I
think all the veteran swing guys and tackles they've had
the last few years, instead of just relying on an
undrafted rookie year some roster filler guy, this is the
break class in case of emergency guy, and that's exactly
what they're going to be looking at tomorrow. Again, they
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haven't ruled out Charles Cross. I want to make that Clayer,
but with the hamstring issue, who's seen that way?
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, I mean I don't think they will, probably right
up until the end. Same with Devonte Adams. But I
have a hard time thing neither of them are going
to play in this game. We're seeing how and I've
seen something you wrote about the thirteen personnel that Sean
McVay runs. Does that play into the hands of the
Seahawks defense or is that something they're not necessarily used
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to well, they're used.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
To it now playing the Rams for a second time.
But this is the first year that McDonald or that
McVeigh has done it. He's run. According to some metrics
out there that measure this stuff, he's run at two
hundred and thirteen times in thirteen personnel this year. In
the eight seasons before this, he ran one hundred and
thirty times. So he's done it almost twice as much
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in thirteen games as he did in eight years. He's
completely zigg well. The rest of the league' zactly. The
rest of the league has been chasing mcvay's.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
Schemes where okay, small guys, horizontal running, Fukunakua, Cooper cup
running horizontal routes, defensive stretch from sideline to sideline. That
is what the league has been catching up to for
a better part of the decade since McVeigh took over
that job.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And now he's flipping and going big. And Juliane Love
mentioned this to me the other day that probably next
year two everyone else will catch up to him again
and everyone will be running thirteen personnel and he'll have
another answer for that. I do think it plays into
the Seahawks strength. I do think it puts Nick emn
Worry on the spot. And what better guy on the
team that'd be on the spot than Nick even Worry.
(14:26):
He guy does everything and everything really well. Nick. He
won't get it because he just got in the league
and he missed three games. He should be an All
Pro this year, and there aren't many all Pro rookies
that play five positions and he does. And I knowing
McDonald the way I do, and the fact that he
didn't even line up at defensive end against the Colts,
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I think looking back that McDonald put even Worry at
defensive end against the Vikings to make McVeigh spend time
having to scout that and come up with an answer
for that. This week, he even Worry has been better
than we I McDonald anyone thought he was going to
be because of his adaptability and how quickly he's grasped
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every single thing McDonald has given him. And he's gonna
gi him something new tomorrow. I mean, hell, he might
be playing nose tackle tomorrow, but they will bring up
something tomorrow that he hasn't seen. McVeigh has not seen
from his defense, and Nick emon Worry's gonna be involved
in it.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, I was going to ask you about that to
close out our conversation today. You've hinted about how Mike
McDonald might have a couple of tricks up his sleeve
that he's been saving all season long for you know,
this moment in the year. I know if you mentioned specifics,
you'll probably get in trouble. So in general, though, what
do you what What should we expect that we haven't
seen before?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Nick even worry all over, maybe in the middle of
the defense more than he's been. He's mainly been on
the edge, including in his defensive end cameo, but he's
mostly been on the edge. Think about his blitzing from
outside slot corner. He may maybe more of an inside lineback.
He's done inside linebacker with Ernest Jones is the only
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two off the ball. Guys, I think you're gonna see
Devin Witherspoon blitz more. He hasn't blitzed a lot this year,
but because some of that's because of even Warre's presence.
But you may see them switch and have the Witherspoon
blitz and even Worriy come off the line and play
a little more coverage than he's been doing, and they
still have this wild card as they keep mixing the match.
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And now the new wild card is three cornerbacks rotating them.
Rieke Woad will come in at times and be the
outside corner with Witherspoon. Other drives it'll be Job and Witherspoon.
Other drives it'll be Woolen and Job. I think you
might see more dying tomorrow night. And if they go dime,
Kyan Williams might have thirty carries. That's how McVeigh answers
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sub packages nickel and dime. He runs and he tries
to take you out of nickel and dimes so he
can throw again. And he's got to back Hyan Williams
and an offensive line that can get guys out of subpackage.
The problem is Seahawks never get out of sub packages.
They play him ninety percent of the time. So because
they have Emon Worry is basically a linebacker sometimes even
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a defensive end. McDonald's not going to get out as
nickel and dime because of Eemon Worry. And that's gonna
So there's this chess game within the chess game that
McVay is not used to. He's not used to running team,
not being able to run teams out of nickel and dime,
but Seattle's not getting out of it. That's That's the
fascinating stuff I'm looking for tomorrow is how much Emon
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Warrior's on the field, how much Woolen and even Warrior
on the field, and how much that gives Mike McDonald
all kinds of options between coverages and blitzeres.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Greg Bell are Seahawks insider round table tomorrow. I mean
it's a pretty big game. I mean the invitation is
open to come down here and being studio with us tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Yeah, I'm just letting you know I.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Might have to do that if I don't need an
arc to get downtown. It's by the way, I feel
really hope some of you listening aren't in the way
of the waters and the levees breaking and the pictures
from down south in the Auburn Ken area and hearts
out to those people. That's it's been wild, stuffy. Yeah,
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looking forward tomorrow. And you know you always tease me
that I always say that these aren't big game. This
is a big game. Yeah, ago season game, go, this
is a big this is huge.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
All right, man, Well we'll talk to you tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
All right, Happy Wednesday. Thanks all right.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
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Speaker 6 (19:36):
A big game.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Even Greg Bell, let's give it his endorsement, the stamp
of huge game tomorrow night, right here in Seattle. So
we'll get back to that conversation in a moment. But
there's a lot of interesting things going on across the
National Football League that I think we ought to dive into,
including a little bit of breaking news. The Miami Dolphins
have in fact decided to bench to a tongue of iloa.
(19:58):
They're going to start Quinnyewers this week. As the Dolphins
were eliminated from the playoffs last week. Mike McDaniel said
in his post game press conference that that was something
that they might consider, and I don't think he would
have suggested that lightly, and so now they're doubling down
on it. Quinn Ewers starts to a tongue of Iloa,
is benched for the rest of the year. I don't
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know if this is an example of something that there's
more more than just the trees. There's a forestier that
maybe twas started his last game, they're going to spend
the offseason trying to.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Get rid of them.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
That might be the case, but we're starting to see
a few instances where people are discussing whether or not
it's even wise to play your quarterback down the stretch.
It sort of sort of flies in the face of
competitiveness in the National Football League. But the Washington Commanders
brought back Jade Daniels. He reaggravated his injured elbow, so
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they're gonna sit him for the rest of the season.
There's a lot of talking Cincinnati about why are we
playing Joe Burrow if we're a eliminated why would we
risk a guy that gets injured all the time? I mean,
didn't you not just see Patrick Mahomes get hurt last
week and now he's not even going to be ready
for the start of next season. So a lot of
teams are thinking about, or at least discussing, whether or not,
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once you're eliminated, should you just bench your franchise quarterback
the rest of the way?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
What do you think about that? I mean the two situation.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I think first, he's not playing very well, and even
when they were kind of running they kind of went
on a little, what four or five game win streak,
he still wasn't It wasn't necessarily great. They were just
kind of running over people with the run game. I
think it's a good idea to find out what Queen
Yours has. Although they're kind of stuck with him with
this contract. That's I mean, they're like one hundred million
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dollars of dead money if they were wanting to move
on from next year. And I don't know who's taking
a concussed filing. Nybody's taken him.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
But your your team is the perfect example of when
it's not there, just go ahead and eat it and
get out from under it as soon as possible. Yeah,
I mean, the Broncos have turned things around to no time.
I imagine if they would have just stuck with Russell
this entire time.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Oh thank god they didn't. Yeah, I hear you. And
yet I mean, on the other.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
The quarterback front, it just seems like, I mean, to me,
I would I don't think you ever figure the game
out right now? Does Joe Burrow need to be out
there risking another injury, possibly something that could affect next season.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
No.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
At the same time, I mean, kind of go earn
your paycheck. There's things you can work on, there's things.
I mean, this year we were talking about him not
playing in the preseason or they played in the preseason
because they didn't want to get off to a bad start,
and then all of a sudden he gets hurt and
I don't know how you manage the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
I'd be playing my guy, I.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Mean, not.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
The Commanders. I wouldn't have Jaden Daniels playing after his
elbow injury. But if you're healthy enough to play, I'd
be playing him.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It just seems like we're in this state in just
sports in general. Why risk anybody if you don't have to. Yeah,
it's kind of where we.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Are at right now.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
And I think with two, especially with his history of
concussions and you know, the the fact that they've been
dealing with that for years, I could understand them not
playing him because you do want to see if there's
any value you could have, or just give him that
time to not get another concussion and run the risk
of getting more seriously hurt. I mean, he's been healthy
this year, but this is the first year I think
that he's been healthy.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
As far as Daniels too.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Yeah, they played him once and yeah, that proved to
be a bad decision when he rehard his elbow.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah. The Bengals, for example, a really interesting thing I
don't think they're going to move on from Joe Burrow,
but if he does make things difficult for them this offseason,
if he pulls the Carson Palmer and kind of forces
the issue. You know, there's talk already like the Giants
sitting there at number one, do you move Jackson Dart
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if you're the Giants to get either Fernando Mendoza and
even better young quarterback with an extra year, or do
you move that pick for all the draft capital that
you can land because you've already potentially solved your biggest mystery.
But I have a feeling that it's gonna be in play,
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and I think the template is gonna be the Matt Stafford.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Jared Golf trade.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You know where we might see a Joe Burrow trade
this offseason if he forces the issue where Cincinnati might entertain, Hey,
if you can give us a franchise quarterback in return,
maybe one not right now proven as good as Burrow,
but maybe a Jackson Dart. You give us Jackson Dart
and the number one pick, yeah, and maybe some other
(24:36):
stuff too, then maybe the Cincinnati Bengals would think about
moving on from Joe Burrow. But that conversation has already started.
I mean, the Vegas Raiders might end up with the
number one pick, the Titans might end up with a
number one pick. The Giants ought to consider not playing
Jackson Dart the rest of the way so that they
can keep the number one pick, because the value of
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that is just so large. It's gotta be more valuable
than the lesson or two that Jackson Dark can learn
in the last three games of the year. And what
if he gets concussed again, Well, that's what I was
gonna say.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
I don't know that he's even going to learn the
lesson because he refuses to change the way he plays.
He's been evaluated for five concussions in ten games. Yeah,
I don't think he's learning the lesson right now.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Seems to be a changing face in all of this,
and I know that it does fly in the face
of like competitive spirit and man, you owe it to
all those teams in playoff contention to throw your best
guy out there. But I don't think that NFL teams
view it anymore as I owe the league this versus
what do I need to protect that is my own
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and I think these decisions aren't going to be based
off of what is in the best interest of us
and us alone. We don't give a damn about anything else.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, I don't like that, but I think you're right.
I think that there definitely is way more going into that.
I mean, it wasn't that long ago. I mean definitely
ten years ago. It is like, if you're healthy to play,
you go play. I mean the play. The coaches weren't
going to go for anything from the upfront office. They
weren't even going to probably have that conversation. If the
GM was like, hey, what do you think about rest
and so and so, you know, I could really use
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the first pick overall versus the second or third, the
coach would just probably flip out and walk out of
the room. Nowadays, I think probably gms and head coaches
are a little bit more on the same page of hey.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
We could really use this, so maybe, but.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
The head coach typically, I mean, if you're on the
hot seat, if you're somebody that's still fighting for your job,
then you've got to try to keep that team going
in the competitive direction. If you've already been fired or
you're an interim guy, maybe you're just doing whatever the
GM's asking.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well, I think that maybe the coach doesn't quite have
the power that they once had. I think that's going
to be an owner or a general manager decision that's
going to be made. And so certainly we're not going
to give the power to a coach that we might
fire at the end of the year. You're not going
to make this decision on whether or not I start
my franchise quarterback or not. Baltimore gets eliminated. Considering all
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the injuries that Lamar Jackson has had this year, I
mean I think that he sits the rest of the season.
I mean, I know the Indianapolis Colts want to preserve
their quarterback Philip Rivers, but if they get eliminated, I
don't know. I think they might hold on so that
they can get the most out of his age forty
five season next year. Yeah you got you gotta hold
on for forty five? Yeah, Yeah, you don't want to
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risk that. No, yeah, you don't want to burn that
to the ground. All right. Coming up later on in
the program, we green check at it. Coming up next,
it's a Wednesday, and so we get a little reckless
at Breakfast on Sports Radio ninety three point three KHARFM.
Biggest game of the year, doesn't doesn't mean it's going
to be the biggest game of the regular season. That
forty nine Ers game still looms, and so that might
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end up being the biggest game of the year to
close out the regular season. But for right now, what's
in front of us, this thing is huge. And I've
been saying now for several weeks that I thought the
Seahawks outplayed the Los Angeles Rams the lastlast time that
they met, and the only difference was that the Rams
won the game twenty one to nineteen. I mean, that's
(28:07):
what it's about, is winning the game. So I gave
them credit for winning the game. But I went back
to my notes from that contest, and I have all
sorts of notes, and the very last thing that I
wrote on the page Rams twenty one Seahawks nineteen, great
game underlined, and then I.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Wrote, We're better.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
That's what I wrote right there, and I do believe that,
And I look at the numbers and that game, the
Seahawks had twenty six first downs to the Rams twelve
more than twice. We had seventy nine total plays to
their fifty. We kept the ball for thirty eight minutes
to their twenty two. Matt Stafford, who's been the MVP
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of the season to this point in the year, You're
gonna have your Drake may to me. Matt Stafford's been
the MVP of the National Football League. Mike McDonald's defense
held him to one hundred and thirty passing yards. Sam
Darnold at two hundred and seventy nine that day. That
I mean, that is just that's just working them four
hundred and fourteen yards to two hundred and forty nine.
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We were seven for sixteen on third down, they were
two for eleven. I mean, those statistics said that we
should Those statistics say that we should have won the
game by fourteen to fifteen points, yeah, against the Los
Angeles Rams, and yet we lost by two. That was
the Sam Donald interception game. That was for interceptions. That's
the cliche that we're not allowed to use on Fridays
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when we preview a game that, no matter how well
it might go, if you lose a turnover battle four
to one against a good team that is well coached,
you're probably going to lose that football game, no matter
how much better that you play than them. But the
numbers all suggest that on the road, the Seahawks were
the better team that day. The difference is that the
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Rams came away with the victory. And so you know,
here we sent with a chance for a little bit
of revenge. I realized that weather is going to play
a factor and that that could, you know, certainly alter
the game, may lead to even more turnovers from Sam Donald.
But I'm just gonna say it, this is reckless at breakfast, right,
we don't lose the turnover battle. We are winning this
game tomorrow and we are winning.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
The NFC West.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well, there's a good chance. I mean, obviously you can't
do it the way that you did last game. And
I wouldn't expect that to be the case. I wouldn't
expect Sam Donald to turn it over four times.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
And yeah, I think that you're right there.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I mean, I think on any given day, I think
either one of these teams, this is one of those
coin flips to me of which team's gonna win. Now,
you got to go out ex execute game plan. You
obviously can't be giving them, you know. I think what
it was the first interception ended up where they ran
it back to the three yard line. I mean, so
that was an immediate advantage Rams right there, And like
you said, when you come out on the end and
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you're just lost by two, you can find one or
two plays, just two of those interceptions, and you're you're
probably going to end up winning that ball game because
two of them gave him a short field that they
ended up scoring touchdowns on. So I think that, yeah,
you go out there and play the game if everything
was the same, right like, you play the same game
you played last time, they played the same game they played.
(31:13):
You just don't turn it over four times. You can
still cough it up once possibly or twice. You end
up winning that ball game. That said is both teams
are going to make the adjustments. This is the beauty
of it to me, is that they hired Mike McDonald
to figure out the Sean McVay thing and the Shanahan thing.
He seems like he did it last game, just didn't
come out on the winning edge of it.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Now you got to figure out a way to come
out on the win too.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
And that's the one thing that we heard so many
times after that loss, right is, oh, if only they
would have turned it over only three times, like they
really would have had, they probably would have won the game.
If they would have only had three turnovers, and so
I do agree it's it'll be interesting to see just
how well Sam can perform and how much weather is
a factor and all.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I'm perfectly willing to lose a turnover battle every single
week by one turnover if it means that my quarterback
is playing confidently and is dropping back and zipping the ball.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
And it sure seemed like he wasn't that first game.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And look, as many turnovers as Sam Donald has committed
this year, I don't want to trade the way that
he's played to get those turnovers back. I just don't.
I think that it's been a far We've benefited far
more in Seattle from Sam Donald's aggressive play than what
we've been hurt by it. On that particular day, there
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was no getting around it. Sam Donald cost the Seahawks
the game against the Los Angeles Rams because it was
minus three. Yeah, I mean, there wasn't a time where
I mean, certainly Mike Holgrin tried to rein in Brett Farvre.
We don't want to lose the turnover battle by two
turnovers or more every game because you've decided to go
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out here and think you can throw passes through brick
walls and have them come out on the other side.
In Sterling Sharp's hands. He had to rein that in,
but he never reined it into the point that he
wanted to take the fire out of the stallion. And that,
to me is what we're dealing with with Sam Donald.
You can't lose the turnover battle by minus three. You
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can't turn the ball over four times against quality teams.
You can't even turn the ball over four times against
bad teams in this league. And yet I don't want
you to change the thing. You play the way that
you've been playing, because I think we're going to benefit
a lot more from aggressive Sam Donald even living with
a turnover or two tomorrow night, than we are if
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he comes out and we just try to establish the
run all day and Sam plays a game where he's
trying to avoid interceptions.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I mean, you don't want him play and scared. I
agree with you on that. I think not all turnovers
are created the same, right. You can't don't be going
down there and doing what we watched Gino do the
last couple of years, which is when you got points
on the board, throwing you know, erratic passes or una
passes and don't do it when you're backed up against
your own goal line where all of a sudden they
have a three yards to score a touchdown or they
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get the ball to twenty five.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
That's going to equate to trouble too.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
But you still want to be that gunslinger and then
understand when is the time that you just can't be
the gunslinger?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
All right? Coming up next, if this is a win tomorrow,
I was asked this question yesterday on our airwaves. Does
that mean it's a super Bowl or bust season for
the Seahawks. We'll discuss it on Chucking Box Sports Radio
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That's now what nine out of ten games that they
have lost. Yes, they were taking on the best team
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in the NHL right now, the Colorado Avalanche, and yes
they led at one point in the second period in
that contest, but they end up coughing up the lead
losing got an empty net goal late. Wasn't as bad
as what it looked like it was about a one
goal difference in that game, but it ends up being
five to three is your final score. So the Krakens
losing ways continue. They can't seem to get out of
(01:29):
this slump right now, nine losses in their last ten games.
They'll try to end the skid in Calgary against the Flames,
and that game will be tomorrow night at six o'clock.
Let's take a look at the rest of your frost
brewed corps light choose chill headlines from the NBA. The
NBA Cup was determined last night. This end season tournament
(01:50):
that the NBA is trying to convince us is really cool,
and yet it really feels like players are embarrassed to
win it. That's probably not a good thing for Adam Silver.
But based on Adam Silver's other report yesterday that he
is going to announce in twenty twenty six the expansion
plans for the National Basketball Association, we should probably be
(02:12):
kissing up to the commissioner right now. So I'll say, man,
I love that NBA Cup. What theater you've created, Adam Silver.
You are a genius the.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Way you paint those floors to give everyone a headache amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Ah Man, and it is NonStop, breathtaking action. I think
it's nearly as good as the NBA.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Finals, probably better, but just halfway through the season, it's
like two of them.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Two championships. Silver said that yes, he's put Seattle in
Vegas through too much waiting for this announcement, and he
really didn't mention anybody else. He kind of lumped in
the rest of the world with other possibilities for expansion.
He named Seattle and Las Vegas individually collectively. He said,
(02:55):
we will make an announcement in twenty twenty six. Enough
of this, so yeah, yes, that is a bit of
news that we certainly will discuss a little bit later
on in the show. It's college football playoff week. Oklahoma
and Alabama will get it started on Friday night at
five o'clock. There'll be three games on Saturday. Also from
college football, Jeremiah Love announced his intentions to enter the
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NFL Draft. Very likely he'll be a top ten pick,
maybe even a top five pick, even though he plays
the running back position. Mariners made a signing yesterday. They
signed a true backup catcher yesterday, Andrew Kisner to a
one year deal. So Kissner is just to give you
a scouting report. My dad used to make He made
(03:38):
me a pitch back when I was a kid because
he couldn't always be home to catch and throw it
back to me. So he made it like this pitchback thing.
It was like this square thing with a net and
it would just launch the ball right back to me.
That's pretty much Andrew Kissner. He's a pitch back with feet.
Oh yeah, that's the role that he will play. And
of course in the National Football League, Thursday Night Football
(04:01):
gets it started and we are at the heart of
the football world. Seattle will host the Los Angeles Rams tomorrow,
the biggest game of the regular season. Time to talk
more about it with our Seahawks insider Greg Bell.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
With the bell tolls.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
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Speaker 3 (04:36):
Good morning, Greg. All right, well, here we are just
a day away. I mean, we're already days into this
conversation about this game, but that's how big it is.
And of course so we highlight injury reports more so
than ever we have. Do we have any updated information
on our left tackle and their number two wide receiver today.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Well, they both were estimated not practicing. Again, the Seahawks
had a t shirt practice or walked through, and they
said if had they had a fuller practice that they
estimate that Charles Cross was not a practice with the
hamstring issue to Vante Adams, same thing for Los Angeles. Look,
hamstring issues are probably the wrong injury to try to
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go three days rest and play two games on, and
especially with two teams that are going to be playing
in January. So I would be surprised at this point
if either one of them play. The word I'm getting
from friends of mine that around the Rams in LA
say that Adams is probably not going to play. But
the McVeigh is kind of doing a little bit of
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gamesmanship by saying we'll take it up to game time.
I'm pretty sure that's what McDonald's going to say the
same thing about Charles Cross today. But I would be
surprised if either one plays, that means Josh Jones at
left tackle, and it means probably more of a three
tight ends. For the Rams, they played twenty four and
a half percent, almost twenty five percent, one out of
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every four plays in three tight ends, by far the
most in the league. The league average is five percent.
Colby Parkinson has been very good for them in the
former Seahawks, of course that they drafted first four years
in the league with Seattle. He's been the primary thrust
of that. But they have a Terrence Ferguson, a rookie
that also sixty six two hundred and fifty pounds. Becomes
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a matchup nightmare when you have to cover Parkinson and
Ferguson and a third tight end who has three touchdowns.
But I wrote for the News Tribune yesterday, I think
the Seahawks and the Seahawks think the Seahawks are uniquely
prepared for this because of Nick emon Warry in particular,
they have an asset that not anybody else has. They
can mix, mix and match Witherspoon and Emon Warrey on.
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If they go three tight ends, it could put Witherspoon
on Coopum the Coua. They can even put Nicky Moon
Warrey on Poopoo the cooah, because we've seen even Warrey
even covering Justin Jefferson. So, like I said yesterday, I
think Mike McDonald's got unlike any other defense in MINDA league.
I think he's got Sean McVay. I think we may
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see that again the Morrow night.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
So if it is Josh Jones, and I'm with you,
I think that the hamstrings, those are touchy ones. I
remember in college polling one and then I came back
too soon and next thing you know, is a lingering
thing for the rest of the season. So I think
they do take those really seriously. That just Jones, is
there a drop off because I mean, looking at some
of the stats and his limited amount of time, he
actually looked pretty good out there.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
He isn't good and that's why they signed m to
be a swing tackle. He came in the other day
at right tackle when Abe Lucas was getting checked for
a few plays that Lucas was signing to finish the game.
But sure there's a drop off. Otherwise Josh Jones will
be starting. They have the strength of their offensive line
coming in the season. Was their two starting tackles so
if one of us not gonna play in the biggest
game of the year, yeah, absolutely, that's a drop off.
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But again, this is why they signed Josh Jones and
who's played both sides of the line and tackle both
sides of the line of guard, most recently for the Ravens,
but for Houston and other teams. This is why he's here.
So go do what you've been signed to do.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Greg bellis with us our Seahawks insider. It's interesting you
brought up the name Robbie Ootz yesterday. Maybe we'll see
more of him. I'm also thinking back to me too. Yeah,
I think I'm also thinking back to training camp when
Jalen Milroe was supposed to have a package all season long,
and we haven't heard the name Jalen Milroe in weeks.
Maybe it's pointless to ask about him with such a
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big game tomorrow, But is there a chance that there's
a couple of little wrinkles involving him since we've forgotten
about him and maybe the Rams have as well.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
There's a chance, but they've time. They decided that roster
spots are more important than a gimmicky third quarterback package.
Plays might read on this I've talked to Andrew Johnico,
the quarterbacks coach, talk to King Kubac about him. They've
decided this is basically a rich shirt year for him,
and because they're not getting consistent push and blocking in
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the run game, they decided to scrap this whole experiment
for the time being. Okay, I think that's what I
think that. I mean, basically, it's been if we can't
block for Kenneth Walker, why are we going to put
Jana Miller out there and try and get him beat up?
So I think that's where it's at right now, and
this is a red shirt season for him. All right.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Well, I mean there's some concern with some of the
weather that's rolling in. Obviously, I'm just con The Seahawks
like to run. They like to make sure that they
let everybody know we're not afraid to run, even if
it's not being super effective, if it's really super windy.
Do you see them even doubling down on that more Unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well unfortunately in a way, yes, because unfortunately, you'd say,
because of their results forty nine yards on twenty two
carries against the Colts, they still lead the league in
most run play forty eight percent of the time they're running,
yet they're fifth to last, and how much they're getting
three point nine yards per carry, And that's the problem.
(10:12):
I think they're going to I don't know to answer
your question. They're not just going to throw up their
hands and say we're not running it anymore. And the
conditions tomorrow will be such that they may even do
it even more. I think the Rams the same way.
This is not a night. If the win now, the
rain they can deal with, and we've talked about that.
But if this is as windy as they're predicting, then
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I don't see this as a game that Stafford throws
it around forty times, and they Seahawks have been in
the run either keep saying it. They ain't going anywhere
until they run the ball. Not winning the West, not
having home playoff games, not win the Super Bowl. If
they don't win tomorrow, Guys, the Seahawks are strong. I
mean it would take a catastrophic failure or the Rams
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to lose the division if they don't win tomorrow. The
Rams don't win tomorrow. But if the Seahawks don't win tomorrow,
we're looking at at Tampa, at Chicago or Green Bay
to start the playoffs. Now, nobody is so running away
with this that you can look at any team and say, well,
the Sea Owks have no chance against them. But that's
not exactly a recipe to go win the Super Bowl,
Go to Tampa Bay, go to Chicago, and go to
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whoever's left. If after you've won those two games, that's
a tough gauntlet to go. The Seaks can do it
because of the defense they have, but the path is
going to get a lot harder than to win tomorrow.
I think they're going to keep running it. We'll see
if any effectiveness at all k Charles Cross not in
it doesn't help.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It's been so long since we've evaluated Josh Jones, and
I thought he looked terrific in the preseason, particularly, But
what I mean, if you do have to run the
run the ball more because of weather or because of effectiveness,
whatever the case may be, does Josh Jones what's his profile?
Is he a better pass blocker run blocker? How would
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we describe Josh Jones at this stage if he is
in fact replacing Charles Cross.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Well, it's been in the league because it was pass blocking.
It's a past league. But the teams. He's played for
Houston and Baltimore before this particular run the ball more
than most teams do, especially Baltimore and the Baltimore profile,
even though it was only a year or so that
he was there. Is why he's with Seattle. So the
answer is both and again, this is why you do this.
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This is why you sign a veteran swing guy. I
think all the veteran swing guys and tackles they've had
the last few years, instead of just relying on an
undrafted rookie year some roster filler guy, this is the
break class in case of emergency guy, and that's exactly
what they're going to be looking at tomorrow. Again, they
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haven't ruled out Charles Cross. I want to make that Clayer,
but with the hamstring issue, who's seen that way?
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, I mean I don't think they will, probably right
up until the end. Same with Devonte Adams. But I
have a hard time thing neither of them are going
to play in this game. We're seeing how and I've
seen something you wrote about the thirteen personnel that Sean
McVay runs. Does that play into the hands of the
Seahawks defense or is that something they're not necessarily used
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to well, they're used.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
To it now playing the Rams for a second time.
But this is the first year that McDonald or that
McVeigh has done it. He's run. According to some metrics
out there that measure this stuff, he's run at two
hundred and thirteen times in thirteen personnel this year. In
the eight seasons before this, he ran one hundred and
thirty times. So he's done it almost twice as much
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in thirteen games as he did in eight years. He's
completely zigg well. The rest of the league' zactly. The
rest of the league has been chasing mcvay's.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
Schemes where okay, small guys, horizontal running, Fukunakua, Cooper cup
running horizontal routes, defensive stretch from sideline to sideline. That
is what the league has been catching up to for
a better part of the decade since McVeigh took over
that job.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And now he's flipping and going big. And Juliane Love
mentioned this to me the other day that probably next
year two everyone else will catch up to him again
and everyone will be running thirteen personnel and he'll have
another answer for that. I do think it plays into
the Seahawks strength. I do think it puts Nick emn
Worry on the spot. And what better guy on the
team that'd be on the spot than Nick even Worry.
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He guy does everything and everything really well. Nick. He
won't get it because he just got in the league
and he missed three games. He should be an All
Pro this year, and there aren't many all Pro rookies
that play five positions and he does. And I knowing
McDonald the way I do, and the fact that he
didn't even line up at defensive end against the Colts,
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I think looking back that McDonald put even Worry at
defensive end against the Vikings to make McVeigh spend time
having to scout that and come up with an answer
for that. This week, he even Worry has been better
than we I McDonald anyone thought he was going to
be because of his adaptability and how quickly he's grasped
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every single thing McDonald has given him. And he's gonna
gi him something new tomorrow. I mean, hell, he might
be playing nose tackle tomorrow, but they will bring up
something tomorrow that he hasn't seen. McVeigh has not seen
from his defense, and Nick emon Worry's gonna be involved
in it.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, I was going to ask you about that to
close out our conversation today. You've hinted about how Mike
McDonald might have a couple of tricks up his sleeve
that he's been saving all season long for you know,
this moment in the year. I know if you mentioned specifics,
you'll probably get in trouble. So in general, though, what
do you what What should we expect that we haven't
seen before?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Nick even worry all over, maybe in the middle of
the defense more than he's been. He's mainly been on
the edge, including in his defensive end cameo, but he's
mostly been on the edge. Think about his blitzing from
outside slot corner. He may maybe more of an inside lineback.
He's done inside linebacker with Ernest Jones is the only
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two off the ball. Guys, I think you're gonna see
Devin Witherspoon blitz more. He hasn't blitzed a lot this year,
but because some of that's because of even Warre's presence.
But you may see them switch and have the Witherspoon
blitz and even Worriy come off the line and play
a little more coverage than he's been doing, and they
still have this wild card as they keep mixing the match.
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And now the new wild card is three cornerbacks rotating them.
Rieke Woad will come in at times and be the
outside corner with Witherspoon. Other drives it'll be Job and Witherspoon.
Other drives it'll be Woolen and Job. I think you
might see more dying tomorrow night. And if they go dime,
Kyan Williams might have thirty carries. That's how McVeigh answers
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sub packages nickel and dime. He runs and he tries
to take you out of nickel and dimes so he
can throw again. And he's got to back Hyan Williams
and an offensive line that can get guys out of subpackage.
The problem is Seahawks never get out of sub packages.
They play him ninety percent of the time. So because
they have Emon Worry is basically a linebacker sometimes even
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a defensive end. McDonald's not going to get out as
nickel and dime because of Eemon Worry. And that's gonna
So there's this chess game within the chess game that
McVay is not used to. He's not used to running team,
not being able to run teams out of nickel and dime,
but Seattle's not getting out of it. That's That's the
fascinating stuff I'm looking for tomorrow is how much Emon
(17:32):
Warrior's on the field, how much Woolen and even Warrior
on the field, and how much that gives Mike McDonald
all kinds of options between coverages and blitzeres.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Greg Bell are Seahawks insider round table tomorrow. I mean
it's a pretty big game. I mean the invitation is
open to come down here and being studio with us tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Yeah, I'm just letting you know I.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Might have to do that if I don't need an
arc to get downtown. It's by the way, I feel
really hope some of you listening aren't in the way
of the waters and the levees breaking and the pictures
from down south in the Auburn Ken area and hearts
out to those people. That's it's been wild, stuffy. Yeah,
(18:12):
looking forward tomorrow. And you know you always tease me
that I always say that these aren't big game. This
is a big game. Yeah, ago season game, go, this
is a big this is huge.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
All right, man, Well we'll talk to you tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
All right, Happy Wednesday. Thanks all right.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
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Speaker 6 (19:36):
A big game.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Even Greg Bell, let's give it his endorsement, the stamp
of huge game tomorrow night, right here in Seattle. So
we'll get back to that conversation in a moment. But
there's a lot of interesting things going on across the
National Football League that I think we ought to dive into,
including a little bit of breaking news. The Miami Dolphins
have in fact decided to bench to a tongue of iloa.
(19:58):
They're going to start Quinnyewers this week. As the Dolphins
were eliminated from the playoffs last week. Mike McDaniel said
in his post game press conference that that was something
that they might consider, and I don't think he would
have suggested that lightly, and so now they're doubling down
on it. Quinn Ewers starts to a tongue of Iloa,
is benched for the rest of the year. I don't
(20:18):
know if this is an example of something that there's
more more than just the trees. There's a forestier that
maybe twas started his last game, they're going to spend
the offseason trying to.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Get rid of them.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
That might be the case, but we're starting to see
a few instances where people are discussing whether or not
it's even wise to play your quarterback down the stretch.
It sort of sort of flies in the face of
competitiveness in the National Football League. But the Washington Commanders
brought back Jade Daniels. He reaggravated his injured elbow, so
(20:53):
they're gonna sit him for the rest of the season.
There's a lot of talking Cincinnati about why are we
playing Joe Burrow if we're a eliminated why would we
risk a guy that gets injured all the time? I mean,
didn't you not just see Patrick Mahomes get hurt last
week and now he's not even going to be ready
for the start of next season. So a lot of
teams are thinking about, or at least discussing, whether or not,
(21:16):
once you're eliminated, should you just bench your franchise quarterback
the rest of the way?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
What do you think about that? I mean the two situation.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I think first, he's not playing very well, and even
when they were kind of running they kind of went
on a little, what four or five game win streak,
he still wasn't It wasn't necessarily great. They were just
kind of running over people with the run game. I
think it's a good idea to find out what Queen
Yours has. Although they're kind of stuck with him with
this contract. That's I mean, they're like one hundred million
(21:44):
dollars of dead money if they were wanting to move
on from next year. And I don't know who's taking
a concussed filing. Nybody's taken him.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
But your your team is the perfect example of when
it's not there, just go ahead and eat it and
get out from under it as soon as possible. Yeah,
I mean, the Broncos have turned things around to no time.
I imagine if they would have just stuck with Russell
this entire time.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Oh thank god they didn't. Yeah, I hear you. And
yet I mean, on the other.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
The quarterback front, it just seems like, I mean, to me,
I would I don't think you ever figure the game
out right now? Does Joe Burrow need to be out
there risking another injury, possibly something that could affect next season.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
No.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
At the same time, I mean, kind of go earn
your paycheck. There's things you can work on, there's things.
I mean, this year we were talking about him not
playing in the preseason or they played in the preseason
because they didn't want to get off to a bad start,
and then all of a sudden he gets hurt and
I don't know how you manage the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
I'd be playing my guy, I.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Mean, not.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
The Commanders. I wouldn't have Jaden Daniels playing after his
elbow injury. But if you're healthy enough to play, I'd
be playing him.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It just seems like we're in this state in just
sports in general. Why risk anybody if you don't have to. Yeah,
it's kind of where we.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Are at right now.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
And I think with two, especially with his history of
concussions and you know, the the fact that they've been
dealing with that for years, I could understand them not
playing him because you do want to see if there's
any value you could have, or just give him that
time to not get another concussion and run the risk
of getting more seriously hurt. I mean, he's been healthy
this year, but this is the first year I think
that he's been healthy.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
As far as Daniels too.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Yeah, they played him once and yeah, that proved to
be a bad decision when he rehard his elbow.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah. The Bengals, for example, a really interesting thing I
don't think they're going to move on from Joe Burrow,
but if he does make things difficult for them this offseason,
if he pulls the Carson Palmer and kind of forces
the issue. You know, there's talk already like the Giants
sitting there at number one, do you move Jackson Dart
(23:45):
if you're the Giants to get either Fernando Mendoza and
even better young quarterback with an extra year, or do
you move that pick for all the draft capital that
you can land because you've already potentially solved your biggest mystery.
But I have a feeling that it's gonna be in play,
(24:07):
and I think the template is gonna be the Matt Stafford.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Jared Golf trade.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You know where we might see a Joe Burrow trade
this offseason if he forces the issue where Cincinnati might entertain, Hey,
if you can give us a franchise quarterback in return,
maybe one not right now proven as good as Burrow,
but maybe a Jackson Dart. You give us Jackson Dart
and the number one pick, yeah, and maybe some other
(24:36):
stuff too, then maybe the Cincinnati Bengals would think about
moving on from Joe Burrow. But that conversation has already started.
I mean, the Vegas Raiders might end up with the
number one pick, the Titans might end up with a
number one pick. The Giants ought to consider not playing
Jackson Dart the rest of the way so that they
can keep the number one pick, because the value of
(24:56):
that is just so large. It's gotta be more valuable
than the lesson or two that Jackson Dark can learn
in the last three games of the year. And what
if he gets concussed again, Well, that's what I was
gonna say.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
I don't know that he's even going to learn the
lesson because he refuses to change the way he plays.
He's been evaluated for five concussions in ten games. Yeah,
I don't think he's learning the lesson right now.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Seems to be a changing face in all of this,
and I know that it does fly in the face
of like competitive spirit and man, you owe it to
all those teams in playoff contention to throw your best
guy out there. But I don't think that NFL teams
view it anymore as I owe the league this versus
what do I need to protect that is my own
(25:39):
and I think these decisions aren't going to be based
off of what is in the best interest of us
and us alone. We don't give a damn about anything else.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, I don't like that, but I think you're right.
I think that there definitely is way more going into that.
I mean, it wasn't that long ago. I mean definitely
ten years ago. It is like, if you're healthy to play,
you go play. I mean the play. The coaches weren't
going to go for anything from the upfront office. They
weren't even going to probably have that conversation. If the
GM was like, hey, what do you think about rest
and so and so, you know, I could really use
(26:10):
the first pick overall versus the second or third, the
coach would just probably flip out and walk out of
the room. Nowadays, I think probably gms and head coaches
are a little bit more on the same page of hey.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
We could really use this, so maybe, but.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
The head coach typically, I mean, if you're on the
hot seat, if you're somebody that's still fighting for your job,
then you've got to try to keep that team going
in the competitive direction. If you've already been fired or
you're an interim guy, maybe you're just doing whatever the
GM's asking.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well, I think that maybe the coach doesn't quite have
the power that they once had. I think that's going
to be an owner or a general manager decision that's
going to be made. And so certainly we're not going
to give the power to a coach that we might
fire at the end of the year. You're not going
to make this decision on whether or not I start
my franchise quarterback or not. Baltimore gets eliminated. Considering all
(27:01):
the injuries that Lamar Jackson has had this year, I
mean I think that he sits the rest of the season.
I mean, I know the Indianapolis Colts want to preserve
their quarterback Philip Rivers, but if they get eliminated, I
don't know. I think they might hold on so that
they can get the most out of his age forty
five season next year. Yeah you got you gotta hold
on for forty five? Yeah, Yeah, you don't want to
(27:23):
risk that. No, yeah, you don't want to burn that
to the ground. All right. Coming up later on in
the program, we green check at it. Coming up next,
it's a Wednesday, and so we get a little reckless
at Breakfast on Sports Radio ninety three point three KHARFM.
Biggest game of the year, doesn't doesn't mean it's going
to be the biggest game of the regular season. That
forty nine Ers game still looms, and so that might
(27:44):
end up being the biggest game of the year to
close out the regular season. But for right now, what's
in front of us, this thing is huge. And I've
been saying now for several weeks that I thought the
Seahawks outplayed the Los Angeles Rams the lastlast time that
they met, and the only difference was that the Rams
won the game twenty one to nineteen. I mean, that's
(28:07):
what it's about, is winning the game. So I gave
them credit for winning the game. But I went back
to my notes from that contest, and I have all
sorts of notes, and the very last thing that I
wrote on the page Rams twenty one Seahawks nineteen, great
game underlined, and then I.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Wrote, We're better.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
That's what I wrote right there, and I do believe that,
And I look at the numbers and that game, the
Seahawks had twenty six first downs to the Rams twelve
more than twice. We had seventy nine total plays to
their fifty. We kept the ball for thirty eight minutes
to their twenty two. Matt Stafford, who's been the MVP
(28:51):
of the season to this point in the year, You're
gonna have your Drake may to me. Matt Stafford's been
the MVP of the National Football League. Mike McDonald's defense
held him to one hundred and thirty passing yards. Sam
Darnold at two hundred and seventy nine that day. That
I mean, that is just that's just working them four
hundred and fourteen yards to two hundred and forty nine.
(29:13):
We were seven for sixteen on third down, they were
two for eleven. I mean, those statistics said that we
should Those statistics say that we should have won the
game by fourteen to fifteen points, yeah, against the Los
Angeles Rams, and yet we lost by two. That was
the Sam Donald interception game. That was for interceptions. That's
the cliche that we're not allowed to use on Fridays
(29:35):
when we preview a game that, no matter how well
it might go, if you lose a turnover battle four
to one against a good team that is well coached,
you're probably going to lose that football game, no matter
how much better that you play than them. But the
numbers all suggest that on the road, the Seahawks were
the better team that day. The difference is that the
(29:56):
Rams came away with the victory. And so you know,
here we sent with a chance for a little bit
of revenge. I realized that weather is going to play
a factor and that that could, you know, certainly alter
the game, may lead to even more turnovers from Sam Donald.
But I'm just gonna say it, this is reckless at breakfast, right,
we don't lose the turnover battle. We are winning this
game tomorrow and we are winning.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
The NFC West.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well, there's a good chance. I mean, obviously you can't
do it the way that you did last game. And
I wouldn't expect that to be the case. I wouldn't
expect Sam Donald to turn it over four times.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
And yeah, I think that you're right there.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I mean, I think on any given day, I think
either one of these teams, this is one of those
coin flips to me of which team's gonna win. Now,
you got to go out ex execute game plan. You
obviously can't be giving them, you know. I think what
it was the first interception ended up where they ran
it back to the three yard line. I mean, so
that was an immediate advantage Rams right there, And like
you said, when you come out on the end and
(30:52):
you're just lost by two, you can find one or
two plays, just two of those interceptions, and you're you're
probably going to end up winning that ball game because
two of them gave him a short field that they
ended up scoring touchdowns on. So I think that, yeah,
you go out there and play the game if everything
was the same, right like, you play the same game
you played last time, they played the same game they played.
(31:13):
You just don't turn it over four times. You can
still cough it up once possibly or twice. You end
up winning that ball game. That said is both teams
are going to make the adjustments. This is the beauty
of it to me, is that they hired Mike McDonald
to figure out the Sean McVay thing and the Shanahan thing.
He seems like he did it last game, just didn't
come out on the winning edge of it.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Now you got to figure out a way to come
out on the win too.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
And that's the one thing that we heard so many
times after that loss, right is, oh, if only they
would have turned it over only three times, like they
really would have had, they probably would have won the game.
If they would have only had three turnovers, and so
I do agree it's it'll be interesting to see just
how well Sam can perform and how much weather is
a factor and all.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I'm perfectly willing to lose a turnover battle every single
week by one turnover if it means that my quarterback
is playing confidently and is dropping back and zipping the ball.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
And it sure seemed like he wasn't that first game.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And look, as many turnovers as Sam Donald has committed
this year, I don't want to trade the way that
he's played to get those turnovers back. I just don't.
I think that it's been a far We've benefited far
more in Seattle from Sam Donald's aggressive play than what
we've been hurt by it. On that particular day, there
(32:33):
was no getting around it. Sam Donald cost the Seahawks
the game against the Los Angeles Rams because it was
minus three. Yeah, I mean, there wasn't a time where
I mean, certainly Mike Holgrin tried to rein in Brett Farvre.
We don't want to lose the turnover battle by two
turnovers or more every game because you've decided to go
(32:54):
out here and think you can throw passes through brick
walls and have them come out on the other side.
In Sterling Sharp's hands. He had to rein that in,
but he never reined it into the point that he
wanted to take the fire out of the stallion. And that,
to me is what we're dealing with with Sam Donald.
You can't lose the turnover battle by minus three. You
(33:16):
can't turn the ball over four times against quality teams.
You can't even turn the ball over four times against
bad teams in this league. And yet I don't want
you to change the thing. You play the way that
you've been playing, because I think we're going to benefit
a lot more from aggressive Sam Donald even living with
a turnover or two tomorrow night, than we are if
(33:38):
he comes out and we just try to establish the
run all day and Sam plays a game where he's
trying to avoid interceptions.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I mean, you don't want him play and scared. I
agree with you on that. I think not all turnovers
are created the same, right. You can't don't be going
down there and doing what we watched Gino do the
last couple of years, which is when you got points
on the board, throwing you know, erratic passes or una
passes and don't do it when you're backed up against
your own goal line where all of a sudden they
have a three yards to score a touchdown or they
(34:06):
get the ball to twenty five.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
That's going to equate to trouble too.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
But you still want to be that gunslinger and then
understand when is the time that you just can't be
the gunslinger?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
All right? Coming up next, if this is a win tomorrow,
I was asked this question yesterday on our airwaves. Does
that mean it's a super Bowl or bust season for
the Seahawks. We'll discuss it on Chucking Box Sports Radio
ninety three point three KJRFM
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