December 19, 2025 • 37 mins
OMG…. WHAT A GAME!!! We’ve got 4 hours to talk about last night’s improbably Seahawks comeback win, but we could spend 44 hours on it! Where do we even start? Did Sam Darnold redeem himself by winning a big game? :30- Everyone is talking about that 2-pt conversion and Sean McVay was confused by it as well. :45- The defensive intensity ramped up in the 4th quarter- what caused the shift?
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Let's for you, God, oh my gosh, what a game.
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Unbelievable. Good morning to you, Happy Friday. It is Chuck
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three KJRFM. We are assembled to provide for you four
straight hours of analysis of one of the most incredible
football games any of us have ever witnessed. Thirty eight
to thirty seven. The Seahawks win in overtime over the
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Los Angeles Rams. They were calling it from coast to
coast the game of the year going into the contest.
I would say that it lived up to its hype.
Just kind of an unbelievable experience. I mean, there were
moments that could not be believed from beginning to end
in this contest. And I'm telling you I know that
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four hours to a lot of sports talk show host
across America. They really nearly is daunting to them. Gotta
fill four hours, gotta fill four hours just talking about sports.
How am I going to do that today? We could
go for forty four hours here today. There's no way
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you all. Ashley Ryan is here, former Mariner Bucky Jacobson.
My name is Chuck Powell. We've got a cast of
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thousands or three that are gonna join us as our
experts throughout the course of our four hours together. But
my goodness, what an entertaining evening. And it turned out
just right, just the way that it was supposed to
go Seahawks with a win thirty eight to thirty seven
over the Los Angeles Rams. Are you not entertained, Bucky?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I don't know how you could not be entertained that
that is a guarantee. I mean, that definitely the best
game I've seen in a long time, and I can't
imagine a game that has more on the line. I mean,
I suppose than a Week eighteen where you're win and
you're in, and you're losing.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
You're out.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
But this one the idea of a number one seed, yeah,
I mean, typically if you're in that eighteenth week or
whatever and it's it's win and get in, you're not
also maybe going to get the number one seed or
be out.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
That's not usually the way it works.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
So this one has some big marbles on the table
and for it to live up to expectations and then
some I mean the back and forth way in which
it went definitely down the stretch was I mean, it
was crazy. That place was insane. I'm sure it sounded
like it was insane on TV. And just the way
in which that went down, I mean, the biggest comeback
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in Seahawks' franchise history is.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, in a moment, Yeah, on that stage with all
that on the table. Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Yeah, it was a big enough deal. In the fourth
quarter that Palmer finally put down her iPad.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
It it was like, I think I need to watch
this game.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
I was like, oh, you've welcome to the world. I'm
just over here losing my you know what, all alone.
And then she was like oh, and then she just
couldn't sit still. She was pacing, she was screaming. We
were jumping up and down. I mean, you would have
thought we won the Super Bowl if you were outside
our house and heard how loud just the two of
us were.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I think that your neighbors probably didn't notice it because
they were likely celebrating just as crazily. Probably it was
just an insane game, and certainly it did look lost
at one point in the contest, There's no question about it.
I'm not sure that Alan Kirk should have started folding
up the tent and started previewing what the Rams playoff
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schedule is going to look like. I'm not sure. Maybe
that was a little premature, but it certainly was a case.
I mean, I spoke about this since the Seahawks lost
to the Rams twenty one to nineteen. I thought that
the Seahawks outplayed them and the Rams won the game.
We're even now because Staffords River four hundred and fifty
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seven yards. Buka Nikoua was unstoppable and Yet even though
the Seahawks statistically just got outplayed, they're the ones that
ended up making the key pivotal plays down the stretch,
including three two point conversions that were converted and eventually
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the game winner to Eric Saubert in overtime to win
at thirty eight to thirty seven. But you know what,
you know, even up, even up at this point, and
you lost a game at Carolina, So nanny, nanny booboo.
We're in first place right now and we control our
fate going forward as we pull off the win last night.
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But certainly there was there. I mean, I wrote down
at the halftime part of the game, I wrote down, Man,
I can't believe we're getting dominated upfront. I just didn't
think that the Seahawks defense could ever get dominated upfront,
and the Rams were just bullsh last night. At the
beginning of the game, Matt Stafford had one hundred and
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thirty passing yards the last time total that he faced
Mike McDonald. He had one hundred and twenty three in
the first quarter. So where were those adjustments? They did
eventually take place. The defense did step up in the
second half at some point, but still not to the
tune of kind of stemy ing Stafford like you did
in the Rams win the previous time. There was a
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moment where and it was in the fourth quarter, a
second interception where I did have to write down, gosh am,
I gonna have to admit tomorrow that maybe the Rams
have Sam Darnold's number. I mean, a sample size of
three games seems awfully small for this to have been
a national narrative all week long. But man, that's a
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lot of interceptions against one team over the course of
three games. So even wrote that down at one point.
But the game turned on Rashid Shaheed's punt return. It
changed the higher momentum, changed the entire complexion of the game,
and eventually that spark led to the Seahawks pulling off
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I wouldn't say an impossible comeback, but certainly an improbable one.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Well, one they'd never done before, right, what was it?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
One zero in one seventy two and trailing in the
fourth quarter by fifteen points or more. I mean, you
just that basically says they've never had done that before,
and so it's not impossible. We witnessed that last night.
That's what I love about sports is that there is
a chance that you could see something that they have
that team or a team no one has ever done
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before on any given night. It didn't look like it
was going to go that way. I mean that when
Darnald threw that interception, And that's probably the thing I
would be happiest most about is Sam Darnald not having
to answer the questions had he thrown another pick. I mean,
he not only did not throw a pick when he
needed to down the stretch to drive down there and
get that touchdown in overtime and the two point conversion
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to get that monkey off his back, but had he
thrown another pick in that situation, I mean, the conversation
that would be going around right now, Oh Jesus horrible and.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
No, and it would have been we've got the wrong guy.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Yeah, it would have been.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
I mean, you look at Twitter.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I didn't look at it all during the game, but
afterwards I ended up looking through there, and you see
people that were tweeting, you know, an hour before the
game was over, and it's like, you know, what, screw it,
go get to you know, San Darnold, guy's garbage. It's like,
so there was a lot of the negative stuff and
understandably so because they were absolutely dominant.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I mean, the Rams were dominant at moving the ball.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
They they turned over the ball on downs their first
possession and then scored on the next six possessions. And
and yeah, the defense bowed up on a couple of
and for some field goals that got kind of helped
out with a penalty on the one that was a
touchdown taken back, and then they kicked the field goal
their second possession. But for the most part, it was
they were moving the ball up and down, passing and running,
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doing doing whatever they wanted. They were moving the ball
on that defense, which we haven't seen anybody do, including
the Rams the first time that they played. And so
they did enough when they needed to. And for you know,
kudo's hat, tip of the hat to Sam Donald to
throw those interceptions some bad ones down when you have
points on the board, you're down, getting ready to punch
it in and you throw it right to that defensive
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lineman on that one. There was times where you would
think a guy maybe starts to feel like, man, maybe
these guys have my number. It doesn't matter how many
people in the stadium or watching the game thought maybe
the Rams have his number. He didn't think the Rams
have his number. He's like, that's all right if I
get another chance. And that dime he threw to was
a Cooper cup, that one that is one of the
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better throws.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
One jsn as well over on the sideline, which was impossible.
And I think that's been the signature of Sam Donald
since he's put on this Seahawk uniform. All Right, he's
committed a lot of turnovers, but he really hasn't changed
the way he played for the first time. As I'm
writing down that note, Ashley, I'm sitting here thinking, oh, man,
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what is this going to do to Sam? Do I
really have to admit that might maybe he has a
RAM issue? And yet down the stretch despite the two
bad interceptions, you know, maybe maybe he got jarred by
the failures in the game last night. But man, when
it mattered most, he stepped up and he ends up
throwing the game winning score. So I think that narrative
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just ran a muck for weeks now. I even had
to hear it this morning on the drive end, still
doubting him because he still hasn't won a playoff game.
So I mean, this is.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
He's played in one playoff game and he lost it.
He can't just the people can't just keep it's one
playoff game.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Well, I mean people are certainly nationally and maybe even
local fans that if you turned on him that quickly.
There was way too much booing last night, by the way,
for a team that went into that game eleven and
three when they were supposed to win eight and a
half games this year. But Sam Donald, you know, yes,
he was not very good in the first half of
his career, but Hugh Millan's done an excellent job all
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season long illustrating this isn't the same Sam Donald. Guys
can change, Guys can become different quarterbacks through different experiences,
and sometimes the light bulb goes on later in certain guys' careers.
Rich Gannon's a perfect example of that one an MVP
after being a career backup, and maybe and that seems
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to have happened to Sam Darnold. He's unlike ninety percent
of his games in the last two years, and you
can't hold his early failures against this version of Sam Donald.
This Sam Donald has way too much of a small
sample size and big game opportunities to be judged that way.
But certainly I did have to like give rise to
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the consideration when he threw the second interception in a
really pivotal moment, as Bucky pointed out, And yet he
ends up pulling it out. And so hopefully we can
back off of this narrative. And uh, he still asked
to win a playoff game. He's still asked to end
up wrapping up the division. But certainly Sam Donald stepped
up when you absolutely had to have him last night
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and got you to win.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Yeah, And that is the thing that that second interception
I also thought. I was like, oh gosh, please Sam not,
please don't do this because I really wanted him to
have a good game. I wanted him to recover from
the four interceptions. I mean, Kurt j.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Platt didn't see that guy, No he didn't. He did
not expect.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
And yeah, they were baiting him to throw it where
he was good. Yeah, he fell for it. And that
was a good job on the Rams. I mean that
should be kudos to the Rams. Yep, on that play.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
That's a Mike McDonald thing. That's the thing Mike McDonald would.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Yeah, it is, it is. And but as I kept
thinking that whole second half of the game. Here he
goes again, because he is not just like you said,
he was not afraid, he was not backing down. He
was not going to let any mistakes cloud his judgment
for how he needed to play in order for us
to even have a chance to win that game. And
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he stepped up. And it wasn't just him. I mean,
we came out and we started quick. That was I mean,
to score a touchdown on our first possession. I was like, WHOA,
where's this been?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
This is magical Walker's best game of the year.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Don't know why he only had eleven carries in it. Yeah,
don't know why I only had fourteen touches the way
he was running last night. But he played his best game.
And look, I mean there were a lot of things
that changed there in the second half, Like defensively. Herbstreet
pointed it out, and he pointed it out at the
exact moment that I did. As much energy that went
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into this game and as much hype that went into
this game, the Seahawks really defensively, I didn't feel started
playing like rabid dogs until they absolutely had to, until
they were backed into the corner, and Herbstreet pointed it out.
I thought at the exact time that he should have, like,
this intensity has changed. It's changed with the fans, yep,
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in the side the building, and it's changed on the
defensive side of the football. And they were they were
getting pushed around for most of the game. And when
it's as if when they lost all of the members
of their secondary and I can't even believe how many
injuries that we suffered and still somehow and the secondary
and somehow pulled off that win. But it's as if
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when they realized, man, we can't lose one more guy
and those guys need our help, that they took it
to another gear. Yeah, it felt to me like one
of the most intense front sevens in the National Football
League all season long needed to absolutely be backed into
the corner to raise their game to the level that
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was necessary to somehow slow down Stafford, get pressure on
him and give yourself a chance, give Sam a chance
to bring the offense back and win this game. And
it happened just in the nick of time. The intensity
definitely ratcheted up on the defensive side.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Well yeah, I mean when they end up you know,
when the went down and made it thirty to fourteen.
That's when most people, including most Seahawk fans, thought the
game was over, and understandably so, there was no there
was nothing in sight that looked like you were going
to be able to stop them, let alone be able
to just get you know, sixteen points to tie that.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Thing up in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
And you know, I mean, you hadn't scored you know,
that many points in the three quarters leading up to that,
or three and a half quarters leading up to that,
So it did feel like, Okay, this is kind of
all for not like you just didn't show up in
the biggest game of the season. And yet the part
of the team that has been the identity of the
team is the defense and the defense. Finally, I think
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it was Ernest Jones said afterwards and his little thing
like what happened to you guys? And he goes, oh,
they started laughing in our face. They thought this s
was over, yep, And they don't know that we were
going to play till the end. Now, you sometimes don't
get to play three and a half quarters of getting
dominated by a team that I mean, their offense just
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flat out dominated our defense yesterday. And yet if you
can find a way. I don't want to say. I
don't think that that McVeigh or Stafford put their feet
up on the desk and just stopped trying.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
They I think they understood, like, let's all right, we're
putting it on them, let's finish this whole thing. But
the defense did step up. They said, well, we got
to do our job. We we better start doing our
job now or we've got no chance. We give up
any more points. At this point in time, it almost
makes it insurmountable. And so they did, to the degree
of basically holding them to that long ish field goal
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that they ended up missing.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
And that was it again.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
It was after that that punt return, it was like
the momentum shifted, the defense kicked into gear. They did enough,
start playing better, Yeah, Sharper, they did enough, and the.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Receivers started making ridiculous catches. Yeah. I mean, it just
kind of all came together.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
That catch, that Cooper Cup catch that then was a fumble,
was a ridiculous catch. I mean, the pass was great,
the catch was great, and it was It's like when
he fumbled out, I thought, oh my god, no, we
had such a chance at that moment to really see
the momentum going into halftime.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You know, I think that's a great point, and I
want to I'll point it out now in case it
doesn't come back up, because and it probably will, let's
face it. But I mean, it said all day yesterday,
you just can't lose the turnover battle by three or more. Yeah,
they lost the turnover battle by three or more. And
not only did they lose the turnover battle by three
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or more and ended up winning the game, those three
turnovers could not have come at worse times.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Worst, I mean the worst times.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yes, I mean it's like you look like all three
times you had seized the momentum.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
Yep, and you were moving the ball, well, moving.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
The ball, getting ready to score and despite the rams
kind of shoving it down your throat for the first half,
it looked like three different times you had overcome that
for reversing it. Okay, here we go, You're getting ready
to score. And then not only do you commit the
three turnovers and they didn't commit any you just committed
them at the worst possible times, and the cup fumble
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is included in that. So for you to overcome all
of that and somehow win the game, you probably did
have to have a special teams a special special teams play,
and you probably did need a bounce of the ball
here every once in a while. But yeah, I think
Bucky's right that once that momentum was officially seized, because
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I wrote it down after the Rashid punt return and
then the stoppage, they got the ball back and we stopped,
and then I wrote down the top of my sheet,
chance to tie all the momentum in the world. And
when you got that ball back, it's it's like everything
got better. Defense got more intense, Sam Darnold got sharper,
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playmakers were making plays, and certainly, you know, you benefited
a little bit from the bounce of the ball, which
you probably needed to have happened for you as well
to overcome a sixteen point deficit against a potentially great
team in the fourth quarter. And we're going to get
into that bounce of the ball because it's going to
be a big topic of conversation. We got to talk
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about the two point tries here today, and especially the
one that has caused the most conversation and maybe even controversy.
So we'll talk about that in our next segment. But
let's find out what's on tap for the entire show today?
What's on TEP?
Speaker 6 (19:25):
What's untech all right?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Seahawks thirty seven Ram or thirty eight Rams thirty seven
in overtime, Most incredible game of the year. The Seahawks
improved a twelve and three. They do take over first
place in the NFC West. They are in control of
getting the one seed now and home field advantage throughout
the NFC playoffs, which is a monstrous advantage always has been,
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even more so now that fourteen teams make the playoffs.
They'll play at Carolina next week and at San Francisco,
so it's you know, the Hayes not in the barn.
There's still a lot of work to be done. The
Los ange Angelus Rams will play at Atlanta next week
and they'll be taking on Arizona in the final week,
so they have an easier schedule the rest of the way.
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Pooka Nikua, who caused all sorts of headlines going in
to the game last night forty eight hours before, caused
more last night. He tweeted immediately after the game, See
I told you the rest do things intentionally to help
teams win games, something to that effect. It's not word
for word, but they couldn't even get it erased before
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it turned into a story.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
It's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I mean, it got to be a story before Sean
McVay could even make his way to the podium. He
didn't even know about it and got blindsided with it
from reporters who didn't ask about blowing a sixteen point lead.
Their first six questions were about Poka Nakua and McVeigh
nearly lost his mind. We'll talk about that coming up
here in a little bit. Humel it'll be with us
at eight. Mike holm'er gonna be with us at nine,
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Greg Bell will be with us at seven. O five
should also mention it is a college football playoffs starting
tonight Bama at Oklahoma, and an entire weekend of NFL
and college football action. And finally, Cracking did lose again
last night to the Calgary Flames, four to two. They've
lost ten out of eleven games, all right, so pretty
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much the entire show today is going to be about
this incredible game coming up. On the other side, we'll
hear of some audio, we'll hear from Ernest Jones, We're
going to hear from Sean McVeigh, and we'll talk about
those two point tries. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM,
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Chalk Buck and Ashley with you here on this football Friday.
My goodness, what a game last night. Seahawks win it
an overtime thirty eight to thirty seven. We are well
underway our four hour discussion about this game last night,
and our experts are forthcoming, Greg Bell, Hugh mill and
Mike Holmgren to all be with us before ten o'clock
here today.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
I can't wait to hear what they all have to say.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Oh my gosh, Hugh Millan is just chewing through the walls.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
He was so pumped yesterday. I imagine how that the
energy in his house during that game.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
He'll probably mention something like I'm sorry you too. There's
no way baseball can match this. Probably I wouldn't. So
they're on their way. Our experts are on their way.
We're all here from Mike McDonald in this normal spot.
At seven forty five, we'll here from Sean McVay in
a moment particularly about the two point conversion, the controversial
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two point conversion. Before we play the audio, I think
it is worth pointing out that the momentum had completely
shifted by the time that controversial two point conversion that
Zach Sharbonay just picked up in the end zone actually
had taken place. I mean, we were within two yes
with six minutes to go. It's not like that play,
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you know, left them with no time on the clock
to possibly overcome it. I mean the Seahawks had done
a lot of great things to get them back in
that position, starting with the Shaheed punt return that changed
the game. Then they converted a clear two point conversion
to put them within a score. Then they stopped Stafford
on three and out on the very next drive defensively,
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That's when I wrote down all the momentum in the world.
Then they put together a two play, fifty seven yard
touchdown drive with a thirty one yard reverse to Shahed
and then that beautiful role left throwback right touchdown pass
to Barner, which was a much more difficult catch than
he made it look. And so you've gotten back to
within two points, not through anything flucish, I mean you
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had seized control. Not to mention that prior to that,
Sam Darnold had driven the team down to first and goal,
and then through the interception to Kobe Turner. So it's
not like the Seahawks weren't doing a lot of great
things during that stretch to put themselves back in the game.
So I just don't want to hear the echo of
this two point controversy in my head from Rams fans
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for the rest of my life. And the two point try,
let's face it was called accurately. Now, I didn't know
that that was the rule either, And if I were
the Rams, I'd be like, you gotta be kidding me.
I certainly would have this. You've got to be ssing
me right now. There is no way that that just happened.
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But nonetheless, it was a two point try. It looked
just like a run of the mill failed two point try.
Sam Darnold tries to throw it out to Zach Charbonah
didn't even like the play call. But it gets batted
down by Jared Versus head, really bounces in the air,
almost gets picked off by Durant near the end zone,
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and then it rolls to a stop and Zach Charbona
is the only guy that walked over to pick it up.
Terry McCauley, who is the gene sterotur of Thursday Night Football,
picked up on it immediately we were wondering, what's the
delay about, and McCauley's guys, that might be a backward pass.
And if that's the case, that recovery by Sharbonay in
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the end zone is a successful two point conversion.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
It's so crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
So he was all over it right from the outset,
and yet I don't think anybody on either side of
the ball, including Zach Charbonay, knew oh yeah, that that
was going to be counted as a successful two point try.
It was undoubtedly a big play, but there was still
six and a half minutes left in the game and
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the Rams had plenty of time to come back. But
Sean McVay couldn't wait to get to the podium to
complain about this rule.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
I've never quite seen anything like what happened on the
two point conversion where you're lined up to kick off,
then they say it's a fumble because they had the
clear and obvious recovery. Now you tack it on, you
make it a thirty to thirty game. Very interesting. Didn't
get a clear explanation of everything that went on, just
because of some of the timing of it there to
be able to do that, But That's the thing that
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I've said. I've never seen anything or never been a
part of anything like that, and I've grown up around
this game. I'm not making excuses.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
We don't do that.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I don't believe in that.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
It doesn't move us forward, but we do want clarity
and an understanding of, you know, the things that we
can do to minimize that. When we rejected the two
point conversion.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
He's really good in every way. He's awesome at the
podium too, and I get I get why you're confused
and upset by that. And I agree with Kirk Kurbstrie
who said at the time, craziest two point conversion ever.
I think that it was the craziest two point conversion
I've ever seen at any level of football. But to
the letter of the law, it was the accurate call.
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And Terry McCauley, who's had to defend it on social
media ever since that call, has made it very clear
that no matter how strange it looks, it is the
right call. Seahawk's just benefited from it.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, if it is backwards, which
it was right there on that line, and it did
look like from the angles of this they showed us
that yep, it probably was heading backwards.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Then it's a fumble.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
And yet there was a whistle that was blown, which
that's where I think there's the if there's a ram
fan that's going to have anything to stand on, it's like,
well that, how is that in the rules?
Speaker 6 (27:13):
It is in the rules.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Terrisly went in and said, the whistle doesn't mean anything.
It doesn't change. You can't say that he didn't still
pick up the ball after a fumble just because somebody
blew the whistle. The problem is is typically when you
blow the whistles, but everybody's like, well, the play's over them, right.
I mean, if there was something crazy that happened and
it was after the whistle was blown, you would think
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that would be against the rules. So it's a it's
a sketchy one, but I think it's the correct play.
I think it's it's called the right way based on
how the rules are right now.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
And yet so it's fumble and nobody picks it up.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
It was Wade Phillips was was. I saw some tweet
that he said, he goes, That's why I've told defenses
for forty years. You see the ball in the ground,
you pick it up, period, just because you don't know
what the city situation is. I don't think anybody really
knew what the situation was there, and yet it is beneficial.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
And to be honest, they needed everything.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Yeah, they had plenty of time left for this game
to go either way, but the way that it turned out,
they needed every single thing to go their way.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
And that's just something I've never even seen before.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Yeah, and it was I mean clearly Zach Charmony wasn't
picking it up because he thought, oh that ball was fumbled,
Oh I need to jumped on it. Yeah, he walked
over casually grabbed it with one hand and thank you
for doing that.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, no doubt about it. But you know what I
will also say though, I mean you never know sliding doors,
how that affects the way that a team approaches. If
you're not tied and you're down two, you're going forward
on fourth down. We had two more we Seahawks had
two more possessions after that. Yeah, so maybe the play
calling is a little bit differently. Maybe you're a little
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more successful with those two drives that you have, and
maybe you end up winning the game in regulation, but
you're calling the game differently because it's tied rather than
trailing by two points. So anybody any Ram, Sean McVay,
match Stafford, and I don't think there were making excuses.
I think it is legitimate to say I did not
know that that was a big play in the game.
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But it has to stop there. If you're sitting there
at home, you're a Rams fan saying we lost because
of some stupid call and some stupid play that nobody
knew about. I mean, you know, yeah, it was a
big play, but sliding doors. Your your approach to those
two possessions change when you're down to versus tied. You know,
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you don't want to blow the tie. So six and
a half minutes left in the game, I'm not going
to call that. And then I would also say, and
we're gonna get into Ernest Jones in the next segment.
I mean, Ernest to me, that was an interception. Yeah,
Phogan Nakuan never scores the touchdown in overtime, because to me,
that looked like an interception that looked to me as
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clear as an interception by today's rules as the failed
two point conversion looked like a failed two point conversion.
But Harry McCauley again was just as convinced that Jones
did not intercept that ball as he was that that
was a successful two point try. So he was all
over both of them. One went their way, one went
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our way. So look, crazy things happen. You hate when
crazy things happen at a time in the game that
they can't be overcome. That's when you really yeah, that's
when you can really say that cost us the game.
You got six and a half minutes left to go
and an overtime to win the game. I don't want
to hear about some weird two point conversion cost you
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the game because it didn't.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Yeah, well, yeah there. I mean, there's no one play.
I mean, I don't even care if it's the last
play of the game. If it's a horrible call, the
guy tackles your guy and it's obvious PI, We've seen
that in a Super Bowl before and they don't call it,
and you're like, that just changed the entire game, That
changed the outcome of the season. But for the most part,
if there's still is time left on the clock, usually
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it's not one play that costs you.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
There was other things. The sliding doors are sliding in
all game long.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah, whether you convert on the third fourth down of
the first series the first time that you had first
possession you have, or whether you get stopped, or whether
you miss a field goal, all of those things, it's
all the sliding glass doors. So to me, I don't
really ever put it on one play, but there was
a lot of plays that were just like, oh my gosh.
But that's what creates the intensity about the game. The
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entire time. That whole fourth quarter was full of great
plays and then things that happened that you're like, what,
And it all led to a tide ball game going
into overtime and then the two point conversion to win it.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
It was like all the perfect spices going in to
make the best soup you've ever had.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, one of those soups where you're like, do I
like this or not? I don't know. I think I
really do.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
Like you think this might be the best sloop I've
ever had.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
All Right, we'll hear from Ernest Jones next, because there's
another angle here we got to discuss before Greg Bell
joins it at seven Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
R f M.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
It's crazy when they were up. I guess they thought
it was over thirty to was it thirty fourteen at
one time?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, they thought that it was over.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
It.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
It's disrespectful as a defense. That's disrespectful, dispectful to the
game because, I mean, it's too much time left on
the clock for you to be thinking it's over. I
won't put no names on it, but they know, they know,
and we won.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
So.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah, I'm yeah. They were saying stuff. Yeah, they were
saying stuff. I won't repeat what they were saying because
it's not really good.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
But they were talking. Ernest Jones after the game talking
about how the Rams were talking smack like the game
was over when they were up sixteen, and from apparently
the trainer's room, Nick em and Warr tweeted out, Yep, yep,
they did that. They were doing that the entire second half.
I don't know what it is about professional athletes. I
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would think that there is enough at stake in that
game last night, and being down sixteen points would be motivation.
But Michael Jordan and Tom Brady were the kings of
taking advantage of any kind of extra motivation that they
could get. And I guess you shouldn't talk crap about
being up sixteen against a pretty good defense in the
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fourth quarter, because apparently from that point forward, the Seahawks
really dug in. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Yeah, I mean I don't know what it takes. I
mean you should. I mean to some degree, they're talking trash.
Usually you just let your play do the talking. At
least that's the way it used to be. Is you
go out there and say, yeah, we're we put thirty
on you so far and we still have nine minutes
to go. That's where that's that's the trash talk that's
supposed to happen. Now you're laughing in the face of
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Ernest Jones or any of these guys. And we did
see it get chippy. I mean's a rivalry games, so
the guys are going to talk. But yeah, they just
talk more now. Yeah, And I don't understand how you
don't how you don't see it happen to somebody and
come back and bite them in the ass and you
don't learn from it because you see it every year
across all sports. Some picture will say something and then
the dude takes them deep the next one, or vice versa.
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In football, you hear somebody chirping about something and then
they come back and beat you, and you're like, don't
you feel even dumber? Now, Yeah, didn't make the loss. Well,
it's not like it didn't happen all the way around.
I mean, there's idiots in just about every city and
every team. It's just I think usually coaches will kind
of nip that thing in the bud. But I don't
know if you can nowadays.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And I think it was impactful, I really because it
happened at that time. As I mentioned earlier where Kirk
Herbstreet mentioned, man, the intensity has ratcheted up on the
Seahawks defense, and I wrote that down in my notes
at the exact same time that he was saying it.
And yes, I know Stafford threw for four hundred and
fifty seven yards and Pooka Nakool was unstoppable last night,
and they put thirty seven points on a Mike McDonald defense.
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But do not underestimate what Seattle's defense did to come
back in that game. Yes, Sam Donald made some big plays,
and we got some two point tries and caught a
couple of breaks, but they had three straight three and
outs in that fourth quarter, three straight three and outs
which got you to the point where you could all
those pieces needed to fall in place in order for
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you to tie it. And then when it in overtime,
and so I guess the Rams trash talking bit them
in the ass.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Yes, thank you for it.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
I mean, well, I think it's always funny, and yeah,
it's annoying when it's your team, but it always makes
me laugh when people trash talk because it's like, yeah,
eventually we'll come back to bite you in the butt,
but they're gonna keep doing it, and it makes it entertaining.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
And you know, that was not just wildly entertaining.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I don't need the trash talk, the added nonsense of
immaturity by that game make it entertaining.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
But that game was unrated. It was just unbelievable. I
mean it was just one of those I'm like, I
don't even believe what I'm watching. It was a four
hour game, for goodness sake, and it just every single
moment I was, you know, I was locked in on it.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
He'd punt return, I was like, that was that real?
What just happened? Because even that, like Al Michaels and
Kirk Hurvestreet are talking about the Rams winning the Super Bowl,
all this stuff, and then he's like, hold on, I
should probably talk about what's going on in the field,
and I was.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Like, I mean, they admitted it, They confessed that. They
legitimately turned to their page of notes talking about the
future of the Rams. Yeah, and they were talking about
the playoff picture for the Rams. And next thing you know,
you're right, you're expecting a flag, Like, why doesn't look
like anybody was trying to stop him? Was there a
flag that was there? A whistle where it was like
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something happened, And then all of a sudden, you're like, hey,
we convert this two point conversion and it's a one
score game, and there was a f ton of time
left on this clock. I mean, even after we tied
it up at thirty, there was still six and a
half minutes of play left and the fourth quarter.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
For goodness sake, he turned it around in like three
ten minutes and fifty seconds.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
So it's not like hurt Locker. It's not like you
clip the red wire just in time to save the day.
I mean, there were opportunities to win in regulation that
the Seahawks didn't quite take advantage of. But in the end,
it's a thirty eight to thirty seven win. We're in
the driver's seat now, so eat that rams. Nice trash
talk all right. Headlines next Greg Bell as Well Sports
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coast the game of the year going into the contest.
I would say that it lived up to its hype.
Just kind of an unbelievable experience. I mean, there were
moments that could not be believed from beginning to end
in this contest. And I'm telling you I know that
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across America. They really nearly is daunting to them. Gotta
fill four hours, gotta fill four hours just talking about sports.
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My name is Chuck Powell. We've got a cast of
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thousands or three that are gonna join us as our
experts throughout the course of our four hours together. But
my goodness, what an entertaining evening. And it turned out
just right, just the way that it was supposed to
go Seahawks with a win thirty eight to thirty seven
over the Los Angeles Rams. Are you not entertained, Bucky?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I don't know how you could not be entertained that
that is a guarantee. I mean, that definitely the best
game I've seen in a long time, and I can't
imagine a game that has more on the line. I mean,
I suppose than a Week eighteen where you're win and
you're in, and you're losing.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
You're out.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
But this one the idea of a number one seed, yeah,
I mean, typically if you're in that eighteenth week or
whatever and it's it's win and get in, you're not
also maybe going to get the number one seed or
be out.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
That's not usually the way it works.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
So this one has some big marbles on the table
and for it to live up to expectations and then
some I mean the back and forth way in which
it went definitely down the stretch was I mean, it
was crazy. That place was insane. I'm sure it sounded
like it was insane on TV. And just the way
in which that went down, I mean, the biggest comeback
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in Seahawks' franchise history is.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, in a moment, Yeah, on that stage with all
that on the table. Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Yeah, it was a big enough deal. In the fourth
quarter that Palmer finally put down her iPad.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
It it was like, I think I need to watch
this game.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
I was like, oh, you've welcome to the world. I'm
just over here losing my you know what, all alone.
And then she was like oh, and then she just
couldn't sit still. She was pacing, she was screaming. We
were jumping up and down. I mean, you would have
thought we won the Super Bowl if you were outside
our house and heard how loud just the two of
us were.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I think that your neighbors probably didn't notice it because
they were likely celebrating just as crazily. Probably it was
just an insane game, and certainly it did look lost
at one point in the contest, There's no question about it.
I'm not sure that Alan Kirk should have started folding
up the tent and started previewing what the Rams playoff
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schedule is going to look like. I'm not sure. Maybe
that was a little premature, but it certainly was a case.
I mean, I spoke about this since the Seahawks lost
to the Rams twenty one to nineteen. I thought that
the Seahawks outplayed them and the Rams won the game.
We're even now because Staffords River four hundred and fifty
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seven yards. Buka Nikoua was unstoppable and Yet even though
the Seahawks statistically just got outplayed, they're the ones that
ended up making the key pivotal plays down the stretch,
including three two point conversions that were converted and eventually
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the game winner to Eric Saubert in overtime to win
at thirty eight to thirty seven. But you know what,
you know, even up, even up at this point, and
you lost a game at Carolina, So nanny, nanny booboo.
We're in first place right now and we control our
fate going forward as we pull off the win last night.
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But certainly there was there. I mean, I wrote down
at the halftime part of the game, I wrote down, Man,
I can't believe we're getting dominated upfront. I just didn't
think that the Seahawks defense could ever get dominated upfront,
and the Rams were just bullsh last night. At the
beginning of the game, Matt Stafford had one hundred and
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thirty passing yards the last time total that he faced
Mike McDonald. He had one hundred and twenty three in
the first quarter. So where were those adjustments? They did
eventually take place. The defense did step up in the
second half at some point, but still not to the
tune of kind of stemy ing Stafford like you did
in the Rams win the previous time. There was a
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moment where and it was in the fourth quarter, a
second interception where I did have to write down, gosh am,
I gonna have to admit tomorrow that maybe the Rams
have Sam Darnold's number. I mean, a sample size of
three games seems awfully small for this to have been
a national narrative all week long. But man, that's a
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lot of interceptions against one team over the course of
three games. So even wrote that down at one point.
But the game turned on Rashid Shaheed's punt return. It
changed the higher momentum, changed the entire complexion of the game,
and eventually that spark led to the Seahawks pulling off
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I wouldn't say an impossible comeback, but certainly an improbable one.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
Well, one they'd never done before, right, what was it?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
One zero in one seventy two and trailing in the
fourth quarter by fifteen points or more. I mean, you
just that basically says they've never had done that before,
and so it's not impossible. We witnessed that last night.
That's what I love about sports is that there is
a chance that you could see something that they have
that team or a team no one has ever done
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before on any given night. It didn't look like it
was going to go that way. I mean that when
Darnald threw that interception, And that's probably the thing I
would be happiest most about is Sam Darnald not having
to answer the questions had he thrown another pick. I mean,
he not only did not throw a pick when he
needed to down the stretch to drive down there and
get that touchdown in overtime and the two point conversion
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to get that monkey off his back, but had he
thrown another pick in that situation, I mean, the conversation
that would be going around right now, Oh Jesus horrible and.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
No, and it would have been we've got the wrong guy.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Yeah, it would have been.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
I mean, you look at Twitter.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I didn't look at it all during the game, but
afterwards I ended up looking through there, and you see
people that were tweeting, you know, an hour before the
game was over, and it's like, you know, what, screw it,
go get to you know, San Darnold, guy's garbage. It's like,
so there was a lot of the negative stuff and
understandably so because they were absolutely dominant.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I mean, the Rams were dominant at moving the ball.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
They they turned over the ball on downs their first
possession and then scored on the next six possessions. And
and yeah, the defense bowed up on a couple of
and for some field goals that got kind of helped
out with a penalty on the one that was a
touchdown taken back, and then they kicked the field goal
their second possession. But for the most part, it was
they were moving the ball up and down, passing and running,
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doing doing whatever they wanted. They were moving the ball
on that defense, which we haven't seen anybody do, including
the Rams the first time that they played. And so
they did enough when they needed to. And for you know,
kudo's hat, tip of the hat to Sam Donald to
throw those interceptions some bad ones down when you have
points on the board, you're down, getting ready to punch
it in and you throw it right to that defensive
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lineman on that one. There was times where you would
think a guy maybe starts to feel like, man, maybe
these guys have my number. It doesn't matter how many
people in the stadium or watching the game thought maybe
the Rams have his number. He didn't think the Rams
have his number. He's like, that's all right if I
get another chance. And that dime he threw to was
a Cooper cup, that one that is one of the
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better throws.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
One jsn as well over on the sideline, which was impossible.
And I think that's been the signature of Sam Donald
since he's put on this Seahawk uniform. All Right, he's
committed a lot of turnovers, but he really hasn't changed
the way he played for the first time. As I'm
writing down that note, Ashley, I'm sitting here thinking, oh, man,
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what is this going to do to Sam? Do I
really have to admit that might maybe he has a
RAM issue? And yet down the stretch despite the two
bad interceptions, you know, maybe maybe he got jarred by
the failures in the game last night. But man, when
it mattered most, he stepped up and he ends up
throwing the game winning score. So I think that narrative
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just ran a muck for weeks now. I even had
to hear it this morning on the drive end, still
doubting him because he still hasn't won a playoff game.
So I mean, this is.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
He's played in one playoff game and he lost it.
He can't just the people can't just keep it's one
playoff game.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Well, I mean people are certainly nationally and maybe even
local fans that if you turned on him that quickly.
There was way too much booing last night, by the way,
for a team that went into that game eleven and
three when they were supposed to win eight and a
half games this year. But Sam Donald, you know, yes,
he was not very good in the first half of
his career, but Hugh Millan's done an excellent job all
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season long illustrating this isn't the same Sam Donald. Guys
can change, Guys can become different quarterbacks through different experiences,
and sometimes the light bulb goes on later in certain guys' careers.
Rich Gannon's a perfect example of that one an MVP
after being a career backup, and maybe and that seems
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to have happened to Sam Darnold. He's unlike ninety percent
of his games in the last two years, and you
can't hold his early failures against this version of Sam Donald.
This Sam Donald has way too much of a small
sample size and big game opportunities to be judged that way.
But certainly I did have to like give rise to
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the consideration when he threw the second interception in a
really pivotal moment, as Bucky pointed out, And yet he
ends up pulling it out. And so hopefully we can
back off of this narrative. And uh, he still asked
to win a playoff game. He's still asked to end
up wrapping up the division. But certainly Sam Donald stepped
up when you absolutely had to have him last night
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and got you to win.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Yeah, And that is the thing that that second interception
I also thought. I was like, oh gosh, please Sam not,
please don't do this because I really wanted him to
have a good game. I wanted him to recover from
the four interceptions. I mean, Kurt j.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Platt didn't see that guy, No he didn't. He did
not expect.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
And yeah, they were baiting him to throw it where
he was good. Yeah, he fell for it. And that
was a good job on the Rams. I mean that
should be kudos to the Rams. Yep, on that play.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
That's a Mike McDonald thing. That's the thing Mike McDonald would.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
Yeah, it is, it is. And but as I kept
thinking that whole second half of the game. Here he
goes again, because he is not just like you said,
he was not afraid, he was not backing down. He
was not going to let any mistakes cloud his judgment
for how he needed to play in order for us
to even have a chance to win that game. And
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he stepped up. And it wasn't just him. I mean,
we came out and we started quick. That was I mean,
to score a touchdown on our first possession. I was like, WHOA,
where's this been?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
This is magical Walker's best game of the year.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Don't know why he only had eleven carries in it. Yeah,
don't know why I only had fourteen touches the way
he was running last night. But he played his best game.
And look, I mean there were a lot of things
that changed there in the second half, Like defensively. Herbstreet
pointed it out, and he pointed it out at the
exact moment that I did. As much energy that went
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into this game and as much hype that went into
this game, the Seahawks really defensively, I didn't feel started
playing like rabid dogs until they absolutely had to, until
they were backed into the corner, and Herbstreet pointed it out.
I thought at the exact time that he should have, like,
this intensity has changed. It's changed with the fans, yep,
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in the side the building, and it's changed on the
defensive side of the football. And they were they were
getting pushed around for most of the game. And when
it's as if when they lost all of the members
of their secondary and I can't even believe how many
injuries that we suffered and still somehow and the secondary
and somehow pulled off that win. But it's as if
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when they realized, man, we can't lose one more guy
and those guys need our help, that they took it
to another gear. Yeah, it felt to me like one
of the most intense front sevens in the National Football
League all season long needed to absolutely be backed into
the corner to raise their game to the level that
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was necessary to somehow slow down Stafford, get pressure on
him and give yourself a chance, give Sam a chance
to bring the offense back and win this game. And
it happened just in the nick of time. The intensity
definitely ratcheted up on the defensive side.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Well yeah, I mean when they end up you know,
when the went down and made it thirty to fourteen.
That's when most people, including most Seahawk fans, thought the
game was over, and understandably so, there was no there
was nothing in sight that looked like you were going
to be able to stop them, let alone be able
to just get you know, sixteen points to tie that.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Thing up in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
And you know, I mean, you hadn't scored you know,
that many points in the three quarters leading up to that,
or three and a half quarters leading up to that,
So it did feel like, Okay, this is kind of
all for not like you just didn't show up in
the biggest game of the season. And yet the part
of the team that has been the identity of the
team is the defense and the defense. Finally, I think
(15:40):
it was Ernest Jones said afterwards and his little thing
like what happened to you guys? And he goes, oh,
they started laughing in our face. They thought this s
was over, yep, And they don't know that we were
going to play till the end. Now, you sometimes don't
get to play three and a half quarters of getting
dominated by a team that I mean, their offense just
(16:00):
flat out dominated our defense yesterday. And yet if you
can find a way. I don't want to say. I
don't think that that McVeigh or Stafford put their feet
up on the desk and just stopped trying.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
They I think they understood, like, let's all right, we're
putting it on them, let's finish this whole thing. But
the defense did step up. They said, well, we got
to do our job. We we better start doing our
job now or we've got no chance. We give up
any more points. At this point in time, it almost
makes it insurmountable. And so they did, to the degree
of basically holding them to that long ish field goal
(16:35):
that they ended up missing.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
And that was it again.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
It was after that that punt return, it was like
the momentum shifted, the defense kicked into gear. They did enough,
start playing better, Yeah, Sharper, they did enough, and the.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Receivers started making ridiculous catches. Yeah. I mean, it just
kind of all came together.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
That catch, that Cooper Cup catch that then was a fumble,
was a ridiculous catch. I mean, the pass was great,
the catch was great, and it was It's like when
he fumbled out, I thought, oh my god, no, we
had such a chance at that moment to really see
the momentum going into halftime.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
You know, I think that's a great point, and I
want to I'll point it out now in case it
doesn't come back up, because and it probably will, let's
face it. But I mean, it said all day yesterday,
you just can't lose the turnover battle by three or more. Yeah,
they lost the turnover battle by three or more. And
not only did they lose the turnover battle by three
(17:27):
or more and ended up winning the game, those three
turnovers could not have come at worse times.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Worst, I mean the worst times.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yes, I mean it's like you look like all three
times you had seized the momentum.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
Yep, and you were moving the ball, well, moving.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
The ball, getting ready to score and despite the rams
kind of shoving it down your throat for the first half,
it looked like three different times you had overcome that
for reversing it. Okay, here we go, You're getting ready
to score. And then not only do you commit the
three turnovers and they didn't commit any you just committed
them at the worst possible times, and the cup fumble
(18:05):
is included in that. So for you to overcome all
of that and somehow win the game, you probably did
have to have a special teams a special special teams play,
and you probably did need a bounce of the ball
here every once in a while. But yeah, I think
Bucky's right that once that momentum was officially seized, because
(18:25):
I wrote it down after the Rashid punt return and
then the stoppage, they got the ball back and we stopped,
and then I wrote down the top of my sheet,
chance to tie all the momentum in the world. And
when you got that ball back, it's it's like everything
got better. Defense got more intense, Sam Darnold got sharper,
(18:46):
playmakers were making plays, and certainly, you know, you benefited
a little bit from the bounce of the ball, which
you probably needed to have happened for you as well
to overcome a sixteen point deficit against a potentially great
team in the fourth quarter. And we're going to get
into that bounce of the ball because it's going to
be a big topic of conversation. We got to talk
(19:07):
about the two point tries here today, and especially the
one that has caused the most conversation and maybe even controversy.
So we'll talk about that in our next segment. But
let's find out what's on tap for the entire show today?
What's on TEP?
Speaker 6 (19:25):
What's untech all right?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Seahawks thirty seven Ram or thirty eight Rams thirty seven
in overtime, Most incredible game of the year. The Seahawks
improved a twelve and three. They do take over first
place in the NFC West. They are in control of
getting the one seed now and home field advantage throughout
the NFC playoffs, which is a monstrous advantage always has been,
(19:47):
even more so now that fourteen teams make the playoffs.
They'll play at Carolina next week and at San Francisco,
so it's you know, the Hayes not in the barn.
There's still a lot of work to be done. The
Los ange Angelus Rams will play at Atlanta next week
and they'll be taking on Arizona in the final week,
so they have an easier schedule the rest of the way.
(20:07):
Pooka Nikua, who caused all sorts of headlines going in
to the game last night forty eight hours before, caused
more last night. He tweeted immediately after the game, See
I told you the rest do things intentionally to help
teams win games, something to that effect. It's not word
for word, but they couldn't even get it erased before
(20:30):
it turned into a story.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
It's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I mean, it got to be a story before Sean
McVay could even make his way to the podium. He
didn't even know about it and got blindsided with it
from reporters who didn't ask about blowing a sixteen point lead.
Their first six questions were about Poka Nakua and McVeigh
nearly lost his mind. We'll talk about that coming up
here in a little bit. Humel it'll be with us
at eight. Mike holm'er gonna be with us at nine,
(20:54):
Greg Bell will be with us at seven. O five
should also mention it is a college football playoffs starting
tonight Bama at Oklahoma, and an entire weekend of NFL
and college football action. And finally, Cracking did lose again
last night to the Calgary Flames, four to two. They've
lost ten out of eleven games, all right, so pretty
(21:14):
much the entire show today is going to be about
this incredible game coming up. On the other side, we'll
hear of some audio, we'll hear from Ernest Jones, We're
going to hear from Sean McVeigh, and we'll talk about
those two point tries. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM,
(21:48):
Chalk Buck and Ashley with you here on this football Friday.
My goodness, what a game last night. Seahawks win it
an overtime thirty eight to thirty seven. We are well
underway our four hour discussion about this game last night,
and our experts are forthcoming, Greg Bell, Hugh mill and
Mike Holmgren to all be with us before ten o'clock
here today.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
I can't wait to hear what they all have to say.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Oh my gosh, Hugh Millan is just chewing through the walls.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
He was so pumped yesterday. I imagine how that the
energy in his house during that game.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
He'll probably mention something like I'm sorry you too. There's
no way baseball can match this. Probably I wouldn't. So
they're on their way. Our experts are on their way.
We're all here from Mike McDonald in this normal spot.
At seven forty five, we'll here from Sean McVay in
a moment particularly about the two point conversion, the controversial
(22:38):
two point conversion. Before we play the audio, I think
it is worth pointing out that the momentum had completely
shifted by the time that controversial two point conversion that
Zach Sharbonay just picked up in the end zone actually
had taken place. I mean, we were within two yes
with six minutes to go. It's not like that play,
(23:00):
you know, left them with no time on the clock
to possibly overcome it. I mean the Seahawks had done
a lot of great things to get them back in
that position, starting with the Shaheed punt return that changed
the game. Then they converted a clear two point conversion
to put them within a score. Then they stopped Stafford
on three and out on the very next drive defensively,
(23:22):
That's when I wrote down all the momentum in the world.
Then they put together a two play, fifty seven yard
touchdown drive with a thirty one yard reverse to Shahed
and then that beautiful role left throwback right touchdown pass
to Barner, which was a much more difficult catch than
he made it look. And so you've gotten back to
within two points, not through anything flucish, I mean you
(23:44):
had seized control. Not to mention that prior to that,
Sam Darnold had driven the team down to first and goal,
and then through the interception to Kobe Turner. So it's
not like the Seahawks weren't doing a lot of great
things during that stretch to put themselves back in the game.
So I just don't want to hear the echo of
this two point controversy in my head from Rams fans
(24:04):
for the rest of my life. And the two point try,
let's face it was called accurately. Now, I didn't know
that that was the rule either, And if I were
the Rams, I'd be like, you gotta be kidding me.
I certainly would have this. You've got to be ssing
me right now. There is no way that that just happened.
(24:25):
But nonetheless, it was a two point try. It looked
just like a run of the mill failed two point try.
Sam Darnold tries to throw it out to Zach Charbonah
didn't even like the play call. But it gets batted
down by Jared Versus head, really bounces in the air,
almost gets picked off by Durant near the end zone,
(24:45):
and then it rolls to a stop and Zach Charbona
is the only guy that walked over to pick it up.
Terry McCauley, who is the gene sterotur of Thursday Night Football,
picked up on it immediately we were wondering, what's the
delay about, and McCauley's guys, that might be a backward pass.
And if that's the case, that recovery by Sharbonay in
(25:07):
the end zone is a successful two point conversion.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
It's so crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
So he was all over it right from the outset,
and yet I don't think anybody on either side of
the ball, including Zach Charbonay, knew oh yeah, that that
was going to be counted as a successful two point try.
It was undoubtedly a big play, but there was still
six and a half minutes left in the game and
(25:33):
the Rams had plenty of time to come back. But
Sean McVay couldn't wait to get to the podium to
complain about this rule.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
I've never quite seen anything like what happened on the
two point conversion where you're lined up to kick off,
then they say it's a fumble because they had the
clear and obvious recovery. Now you tack it on, you
make it a thirty to thirty game. Very interesting. Didn't
get a clear explanation of everything that went on, just
because of some of the timing of it there to
be able to do that, But That's the thing that
(26:01):
I've said. I've never seen anything or never been a
part of anything like that, and I've grown up around
this game. I'm not making excuses.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
We don't do that.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I don't believe in that.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
It doesn't move us forward, but we do want clarity
and an understanding of, you know, the things that we
can do to minimize that. When we rejected the two
point conversion.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
He's really good in every way. He's awesome at the
podium too, and I get I get why you're confused
and upset by that. And I agree with Kirk Kurbstrie
who said at the time, craziest two point conversion ever.
I think that it was the craziest two point conversion
I've ever seen at any level of football. But to
the letter of the law, it was the accurate call.
(26:41):
And Terry McCauley, who's had to defend it on social
media ever since that call, has made it very clear
that no matter how strange it looks, it is the
right call. Seahawk's just benefited from it.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, if it is backwards, which
it was right there on that line, and it did
look like from the angles of this they showed us
that yep, it probably was heading backwards.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Then it's a fumble.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
And yet there was a whistle that was blown, which
that's where I think there's the if there's a ram
fan that's going to have anything to stand on, it's like,
well that, how is that in the rules?
Speaker 6 (27:13):
It is in the rules.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Terrisly went in and said, the whistle doesn't mean anything.
It doesn't change. You can't say that he didn't still
pick up the ball after a fumble just because somebody
blew the whistle. The problem is is typically when you
blow the whistles, but everybody's like, well, the play's over them, right.
I mean, if there was something crazy that happened and
it was after the whistle was blown, you would think
(27:35):
that would be against the rules. So it's a it's
a sketchy one, but I think it's the correct play.
I think it's it's called the right way based on
how the rules are right now.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
And yet so it's fumble and nobody picks it up.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
It was Wade Phillips was was. I saw some tweet
that he said, he goes, That's why I've told defenses
for forty years. You see the ball in the ground,
you pick it up, period, just because you don't know
what the city situation is. I don't think anybody really
knew what the situation was there, and yet it is beneficial.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
And to be honest, they needed everything.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Yeah, they had plenty of time left for this game
to go either way, but the way that it turned out,
they needed every single thing to go their way.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
And that's just something I've never even seen before.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
Yeah, and it was I mean clearly Zach Charmony wasn't
picking it up because he thought, oh that ball was fumbled,
Oh I need to jumped on it. Yeah, he walked
over casually grabbed it with one hand and thank you
for doing that.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, no doubt about it. But you know what I
will also say though, I mean you never know sliding doors,
how that affects the way that a team approaches. If
you're not tied and you're down two, you're going forward
on fourth down. We had two more we Seahawks had
two more possessions after that. Yeah, so maybe the play
calling is a little bit differently. Maybe you're a little
(28:48):
more successful with those two drives that you have, and
maybe you end up winning the game in regulation, but
you're calling the game differently because it's tied rather than
trailing by two points. So anybody any Ram, Sean McVay,
match Stafford, and I don't think there were making excuses.
I think it is legitimate to say I did not
know that that was a big play in the game.
(29:09):
But it has to stop there. If you're sitting there
at home, you're a Rams fan saying we lost because
of some stupid call and some stupid play that nobody
knew about. I mean, you know, yeah, it was a
big play, but sliding doors. Your your approach to those
two possessions change when you're down to versus tied. You know,
(29:30):
you don't want to blow the tie. So six and
a half minutes left in the game, I'm not going
to call that. And then I would also say, and
we're gonna get into Ernest Jones in the next segment.
I mean, Ernest to me, that was an interception. Yeah,
Phogan Nakuan never scores the touchdown in overtime, because to me,
that looked like an interception that looked to me as
(29:50):
clear as an interception by today's rules as the failed
two point conversion looked like a failed two point conversion.
But Harry McCauley again was just as convinced that Jones
did not intercept that ball as he was that that
was a successful two point try. So he was all
over both of them. One went their way, one went
(30:13):
our way. So look, crazy things happen. You hate when
crazy things happen at a time in the game that
they can't be overcome. That's when you really yeah, that's
when you can really say that cost us the game.
You got six and a half minutes left to go
and an overtime to win the game. I don't want
to hear about some weird two point conversion cost you
(30:34):
the game because it didn't.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Yeah, well, yeah there. I mean, there's no one play.
I mean, I don't even care if it's the last
play of the game. If it's a horrible call, the
guy tackles your guy and it's obvious PI, We've seen
that in a Super Bowl before and they don't call it,
and you're like, that just changed the entire game, That
changed the outcome of the season. But for the most part,
if there's still is time left on the clock, usually
(30:57):
it's not one play that costs you.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
There was other things. The sliding doors are sliding in
all game long.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah, whether you convert on the third fourth down of
the first series the first time that you had first
possession you have, or whether you get stopped, or whether
you miss a field goal, all of those things, it's
all the sliding glass doors. So to me, I don't
really ever put it on one play, but there was
a lot of plays that were just like, oh my gosh.
But that's what creates the intensity about the game. The
(31:24):
entire time. That whole fourth quarter was full of great
plays and then things that happened that you're like, what,
And it all led to a tide ball game going
into overtime and then the two point conversion to win it.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
It was like all the perfect spices going in to
make the best soup you've ever had.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, one of those soups where you're like, do I
like this or not? I don't know. I think I
really do.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
Like you think this might be the best sloop I've
ever had.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
All Right, we'll hear from Ernest Jones next, because there's
another angle here we got to discuss before Greg Bell
joins it at seven Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
R f M.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
It's crazy when they were up. I guess they thought
it was over thirty to was it thirty fourteen at
one time?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, they thought that it was over.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
It.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
It's disrespectful as a defense. That's disrespectful, dispectful to the
game because, I mean, it's too much time left on
the clock for you to be thinking it's over. I
won't put no names on it, but they know, they know,
and we won.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
So.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah, I'm yeah. They were saying stuff. Yeah, they were
saying stuff. I won't repeat what they were saying because
it's not really good.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
But they were talking. Ernest Jones after the game talking
about how the Rams were talking smack like the game
was over when they were up sixteen, and from apparently
the trainer's room, Nick em and Warr tweeted out, Yep, yep,
they did that. They were doing that the entire second half.
I don't know what it is about professional athletes. I
(32:53):
would think that there is enough at stake in that
game last night, and being down sixteen points would be motivation.
But Michael Jordan and Tom Brady were the kings of
taking advantage of any kind of extra motivation that they
could get. And I guess you shouldn't talk crap about
being up sixteen against a pretty good defense in the
(33:16):
fourth quarter, because apparently from that point forward, the Seahawks
really dug in. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Yeah, I mean I don't know what it takes. I
mean you should. I mean to some degree, they're talking trash.
Usually you just let your play do the talking. At
least that's the way it used to be. Is you
go out there and say, yeah, we're we put thirty
on you so far and we still have nine minutes
to go. That's where that's that's the trash talk that's
supposed to happen. Now you're laughing in the face of
(33:45):
Ernest Jones or any of these guys. And we did
see it get chippy. I mean's a rivalry games, so
the guys are going to talk. But yeah, they just
talk more now. Yeah, And I don't understand how you
don't how you don't see it happen to somebody and
come back and bite them in the ass and you
don't learn from it because you see it every year
across all sports. Some picture will say something and then
the dude takes them deep the next one, or vice versa.
(34:07):
In football, you hear somebody chirping about something and then
they come back and beat you, and you're like, don't
you feel even dumber? Now, Yeah, didn't make the loss. Well,
it's not like it didn't happen all the way around.
I mean, there's idiots in just about every city and
every team. It's just I think usually coaches will kind
of nip that thing in the bud. But I don't
know if you can nowadays.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And I think it was impactful, I really because it
happened at that time. As I mentioned earlier where Kirk
Herbstreet mentioned, man, the intensity has ratcheted up on the
Seahawks defense, and I wrote that down in my notes
at the exact same time that he was saying it.
And yes, I know Stafford threw for four hundred and
fifty seven yards and Pooka Nakool was unstoppable last night,
and they put thirty seven points on a Mike McDonald defense.
(34:48):
But do not underestimate what Seattle's defense did to come
back in that game. Yes, Sam Donald made some big plays,
and we got some two point tries and caught a
couple of breaks, but they had three straight three and
outs in that fourth quarter, three straight three and outs
which got you to the point where you could all
those pieces needed to fall in place in order for
(35:10):
you to tie it. And then when it in overtime,
and so I guess the Rams trash talking bit them
in the ass.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Yes, thank you for it.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
I mean, well, I think it's always funny, and yeah,
it's annoying when it's your team, but it always makes
me laugh when people trash talk because it's like, yeah,
eventually we'll come back to bite you in the butt,
but they're gonna keep doing it, and it makes it entertaining.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
And you know, that was not just wildly entertaining.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
I don't need the trash talk, the added nonsense of
immaturity by that game make it entertaining.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
But that game was unrated. It was just unbelievable. I
mean it was just one of those I'm like, I
don't even believe what I'm watching. It was a four
hour game, for goodness sake, and it just every single
moment I was, you know, I was locked in on it.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
He'd punt return, I was like, that was that real?
What just happened? Because even that, like Al Michaels and
Kirk Hurvestreet are talking about the Rams winning the Super Bowl,
all this stuff, and then he's like, hold on, I
should probably talk about what's going on in the field,
and I was.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Like, I mean, they admitted it, They confessed that. They
legitimately turned to their page of notes talking about the
future of the Rams. Yeah, and they were talking about
the playoff picture for the Rams. And next thing you know,
you're right, you're expecting a flag, Like, why doesn't look
like anybody was trying to stop him? Was there a
flag that was there? A whistle where it was like
(36:29):
something happened, And then all of a sudden, you're like, hey,
we convert this two point conversion and it's a one
score game, and there was a f ton of time
left on this clock. I mean, even after we tied
it up at thirty, there was still six and a
half minutes of play left and the fourth quarter.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
For goodness sake, he turned it around in like three
ten minutes and fifty seconds.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
So it's not like hurt Locker. It's not like you
clip the red wire just in time to save the day.
I mean, there were opportunities to win in regulation that
the Seahawks didn't quite take advantage of. But in the end,
it's a thirty eight to thirty seven win. We're in
the driver's seat now, so eat that rams. Nice trash
talk all right. Headlines next Greg Bell as Well Sports
(37:10):
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