December 19, 2025 • 35 mins
MMQB on a Football Friday continues with MIKE HOLMGREN & HUGH MILLEN What does Coach Holmgren think of the Seahawks comeback? Does Sam Darnold have an interception issue and what does last night’s comeback do for him moving forward? :30- We are back with more MMQB with Hugh and Coach Has Coach ever seen anything like that 2 point conversion? Coach’s thoughts on the Seahawks approach to the run game last night? :45- We wrap up the Football Friday show with one last thing for Coach Holmgren
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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over twenty years now. Mike combrin with Chuck and Buck.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You got more notes than usual over there, Like that's
stacked there, Coach. That's just that's just topical notes to
discuss with you and Hugh here today.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You know what you're doing. That such a nice job
with that I have. I had one extra sheet on
one sheet.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Kind of compartmentalized things and just I'm short short doing
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
But are you saying you're more efficient than I am?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
No, I'm saying I'm probably less efficient. But I circle things,
you know, and said this is important.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
You're more of a circler than a scribbler.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Chuck it back in the mornings, Coach, ober Now joins
the conversation here on a Monday morning Quarterback on a
Football Friday, as we recap last night's insane thirty eight
to thirty seven win over the Los Angeles Rams in overtime.
And there's still a lot of ground we haven't gotten
to with Hugh, So we'll cover some new ground with
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both you and Hugh this hour, But also just want
to get your thoughts just off the top. Your down
sixteen midway through the fourth quarter against the team that
some people think is the best team in the National
Football League, and they certainly played that way for most
of the game. What do you attribute to being able
to come back in this contest? Because it's not like
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the Rams gave it away. They didn't have any turnovers,
you know, they didn't just give it to the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
They kind of.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Took it from them in the fourth quarter. So what
do you attribute to this comeback win?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well, first of all, the game was out of sight.
It was one of the more remarkable games I've seen
in a long time. I never thought it'd be that
high scoring. I thought it'd be close, but so it was.
You know, kudos to both sides. Honestly, it was a great,
great football game. To your point, Chuck, I think when
they're down, you know, I thought, I sat there, I'm
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watching the game. I said, okay, it's it's they're pretty
much toast, you know what I mean, And this is
the game's over, and it wasn't. And I think when
you're in that situation and the team reacts like the
Seahawks reacted, I think that says a lot. My own
feeling says a lot about the coach and how he
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has taught and prepared the team and how they think
and how they games is like the score is, the
score is, we've seen it before. The score is kind
of there, and obviously you're playing to get more points
than the other team, but just how they stuck, how
they stick with it, how they keep playing, how the
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belief system, and I credit I credit Mike the belief
system in what they're doing that they're going to make something.
We're going to make this work and at the end
we're going to have a good feeling because and then
there was no I didn't have that feeling, you know.
And I'm watching the game, and I think a lot
of fans there's some left thought some bood Yeah, yeah,
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I said this is over. And Uh, that's a real
credit I think to Mike McDonald, how he and how
he has prepared his team and the philosophy they play with.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Mike, when you let's talk about Sam Darnold's role in that.
I assume when you go to overtime that you'd say,
if I hit you up before the game, you say, hey,
we're going to go into overtime, you know, what words
might you say to your quarterback? You might think, well,
hopefully we've been you know, having a real successful game
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for a fourth quarter and for four quarters to say, hey,
just keep rip in their ass like you've been, you know,
go get them. But that's not what Mike McDonald might
have been able to say. He had the two uh interceptions,
and they're both pretty pretty grisly. I mean, those were
those are bad interceptions and and and yet he's gotta
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you gotta somehow flush it and still be a playmaker.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
What what what do you say to your quarterback in
that situation?
Speaker 6 (04:25):
And then when you watch what Donald did, uh after
those two interceptions, you know, making the place to win
the football game, kind of what's what's your thoughts and
all of that as that unfolds.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Well as it unfolds. Excuse me, the uh I would say,
it's a new game, you know. I mean, you're you're
going into overtime or you're you're talking to your quarterback
and Hugh, you've you've probably been talked to this way
that what what has happened? What has happened prior? Okay,
it happened, but now, okay, this is a fresh start.
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This is a new game. We got a chance to win.
This is what I'm gonna call. This is what I'm
gonna do. Make good decisions and just kind of.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
That was every series for me, Mike, what you just
described that.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Every series.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Forget about that last pass here.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
But you know, what's a game.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
It's a new game.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, you get that. That's that's what you That's what
I think what you have to impress upon the player.
You know that I'm not thinking there. I'm not going there,
and I don't want you going there. This is what
we're doing, and just spell it out for him. And
then you know, I wouldn't. I didn't use the letter
rip saying very much. But uh, they they knew and
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that fresh start let's go you know.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
Yeah, Well, I mean he doesn't seem to get completely rattled.
Maybe he did it with when he throws his fourth
interception the first time that they met, but he seemed
to keep his composure enough and make some unbelievable throws
there down the stretch. That one quarter route you discussed
earlier to Cooper Cup was just an absolute dime over
the guy, but still in bounds.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
When the momentum.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
Starts to shift like that and you're coaching, right, I mean,
it's down sixteen with nine minutes, there's time, but you
know you kind of feel like you're gonna need something special,
like a punt return.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
For a touchdown, something like that.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
But once it starts to happen, is there anything in
particular that you did where let's go for the jug
that's hit him quick like they did with the second touchdown,
or or is there anything change in your mind as
a coach and a play caller because you feel that
momentum shift.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I don't think it changes too much in your play selection,
but there absolutely is a feeling on the sideline and
when the momentum changes like that and you're kind of
approaching a chance to win this thing when it didn't
look good, not only the players. I mean the coaches
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feel it. And I used to walk the walk, and
kind of you see mcvh do it every once in
a while, and you don't see Mike do it too much.
But you turn around and you're talking to the players
and you're okay here, you know, you're kind of gain
you're you're you're feeling the momentum, and you want to
make sure the players do. But you don't have to
say too much if you've if you've prepared them and
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taught them about those things. And I think he has
done that. That's probably why he doesn't have to do
too much. And that's why assistant coaches, you know, probably
do it for him. And now you have twenty six
assistant coaches in the seat of ten. So you got
a lot of guys cheerleading on the sideline, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
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R F M. Well, let's let's have this, Maybe put
this conversation to bed, or at least advance it. Two
more interceptions from Sam and yet he does overcome it
and makes all the throws down the stretch to somehow
win that game. So I would just ask you, and
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you would as well. Does Sam Darnold abn in issue?
And if so, what did last night's come back do
for him to maybe fix that problem?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
You know what's he's in his own mind and then
everyone's mind. He's throwing too many interceptions. I get that,
you know, but they're winning. Look at their record, and
he's the quarterback and he's doing it. He is doing
it for them. It might might everyone wants every once
in a while it looks a little why do he
do that? You know? But I've lived through that, you know,
I've been there, and so you just keep going, You
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keep going. He is the reason that their record is
the record they have. And they have a great defense,
they have good talent on offense, but that quarterback has
gotten him this far. And so you know, quarterback, you
play the position, you're going to throw an interception now
and then. But look at I think everyone has to
kind of stick with him and stand behind him, and
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he's going to be the guy and his teammates know that.
His teammates know that. And as a coach trying to
fix something, I think you don't overthink it. You know,
just now, let's look at why it happened. You talk
about it, certainly, but I'm looking I've been in his
corner since the beginning, and I'm going to stick there, Hugh.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I firmly agree with every word Mike just said.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
There. You know, I think that that if if I imagine,
if I was, you know, backup and Mike was the coach,
or I was in that meeting room, it's not that
they we wouldn't be trying to, you know, remedy and
avoid interceptions. You know, earlier in the year.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
It was probably a little easier.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
To to reconcile because you know, he was producing big
plays at such a huge rate.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
That slit a little bit in these past few weeks.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
But you know, he made the plays last night when
they needed to be made, and I think that that,
in many people's judgment, that's the real mark of a quarterback.
But Mike, just those two interceptions, you know, the first one,
you know, it's just it was a disguised two deep
five under Uh, they're getting what you would call lion
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double slant to the left, you know, with a zone.
Now there happened to have been a tight end on
that side.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
So it was a trips he was doing to sit
over the ball.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
But uh, you gotta you gotta read that number two defender,
the guy over the overhang defender. If he doesn't, if
he doesn't reduce inside with that inside slant, you can't
throw the outside slant, right. And I mean just kind
of talk about that one, because that that stuff that
I've taught at high school, that the concept that you've
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got to know the inside defender if you're gonna throw
the outside slant on double slant.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Well, first of all, I think if if he recognizes that,
if that's the defense he sees five under, that's not
the greatest play to have against that because you have
underneath coverage. There are the holes get squeezed down with
five under on to double slants. Now to your point here,
if he stays with it, he's got to be aware
of that. Absolutely, I would tell him, I would say,
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get out of that play. Call something we done. Not
to be complicated with something that's a two deep five
hunderd beater or a better play versus that defense.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
But it started, Mike, It started as a single high
and at the snap that rotated, you know, it looked
like it could be number one cover one press, so
I don't think he had a great read on it.
And it became it looked like cover one press and
became two D five hunder zone right. And as I said,
I want to make the point, it wasn't a two
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by formation. It was a three by to that side,
and the tight end, who was an inline position barner,
he kind of sat over the ball.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
The other one the interception.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
Down by the goal line. Mike, my notes, you know
my terminology is cover zero double rat. It was it
was man to man, no safety, and then you had
two line who started to rush, but then they pulled
out into the hook zones. And it's the exact same
notes that I had on Leonard Williams ninety two yard
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interception return against Aaron Rodgers last year. Cover zero double
rat And so you know it can get quarterbacks if
you don't see that guy, you know, you think you
think it's cover zero, you think it's man and man. Oh,
there's there's no problems to throw that insight slanding by
the way, it was dragging to the left, Mike, which
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Chuck and Buck is is slanted by the outside guy
and a quick flat by the slot receiver.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Cup just talk about how you would analyze and you
would coach Darnold after he made that mistake.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, you know, that's a tough one because if if
you know Aaron Rodgers did it, he's played a little bit.
He made the same and that's if you have defensive
linemen that can do that. Okay, Obviously you had to
be talked about it going into the game. From that situation,
you just have to be careful. You got to be
careful in certain situations, and that's one of them. You know,
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if you don't see it, if you see the opening,
throw it. If you can't see the opening, but you
know you think it's there because of the coverage you had. No, No,
you got to be careful about that one. That would
be the coaching coaching I would do on that play.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
So and sorry, check the book. Just one more thought
because I think this is an important point, Mike. When
Darnold threw that interception, this is the one down by
the goal we're just talking about with the defensive lineman
popping out and getting it. They chose to have the
sen There was three to the left and three to
the right out of an empty formation. The tight end
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was to the right, So there's three guys to the right,
two receivers to the left. They chose to have the
center go to the right towards the tight end, which
meant that the end on the left was on the
on the open side with the tackle, there's no tight
end and outside he has a shorter edge. Had they
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had they directed the center to go to the left,
because and there's an open edge to the left. Now
the unblocked guy would have been way outside the tight.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
End to the right.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
He has a lot longer path to get to the quarterback.
What do you think about the idea of of of
the center and now he wanted to throw the dragon
into the into the pressure, but but that's certainly a
part of avoiding this situation is choosing the short edge
versus the long edge on the unblocked rusher.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, you know it. Either way, he's going to have
to get the ball out of his hand quickly because
even though he's one more man removed. Uh, he's going
to get there and get hit if you hold on
the ball too long because they don't have enough blockers.
But so he has got to deliver the They have
enough blockers, but not the way the defensive guys popped out.
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So yeah, yeah, it makes some sense to do that,
send the center away and give the guy have a
little more time to throw it. But then sometimes you
just have to say, okay, they got me here, Okay,
they got me here, and tuck the ball and run
or get down or do something, but don't throw the interception.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Well, ultimately, I mean I would imagine that's Shula, right,
Chris Shula is the defensive coordinator for the Rams. Yes,
he probably learned that. Yeah, it's not Don Shula.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I know that.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Yeah, they probably learned that from watching a Hermerson High
School Bulldogs game. Coach. I would imagine because we had
one of those. It was called Bonzie. It was Bucky
on the zone as a defensive end. I would drop
into coverage. Yeah, picked off Tony Hill. He was the
best quarterback in our state.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
And everybody runs the Bonzie play.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Now, yeah, they learned it from us, And you got
the interception.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
I did, wow, And then I almost fumbled while I
was getting tackled, but I didn't.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I mean, it's the danger of Bonzie. Yeah, everybody knows it.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Not much of a ball handling. Yeah, yeah, exactly I
dropped back. They tried hitting the tight end like a
hot route of some sort. Uh, you were probably no
after the interception, you're probably running down with the ball
in your hands.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
No better than that, No, no, no, No premature celebration
out of this guy coach than laps.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I think I have new terminology that takes less time
to write, Bonzi than cover zero double rat.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, okay, I don't want to be called a rat. Yeah,
that will always be Bonzie. It will always be BONDI
from this time. Well, it wasn't very bright. I think
it was. Ray Brown was our coach.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
He had to make it simple enough to where I
knew it right, like it was specific for me dropping back.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
We didn't run it very often, but lucky on zone.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, Sam Darnold needs to be careful of that play.
I mean, you gotta be careful with those three hundred
and fifteen pound defensive tackles standing between you and JSN.
All right, it is Monday morning. A lot more to
discuss with coaching with Hugh. We'll get to it next.
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Speaker 2 (17:24):
No, no, benmen, we got so much more to discuss.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
This game was just loaded with.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Topics, and so we'll do our best. We'll try to
get it all in here. We've got you Millanire, We've
got Mike Holmgren here, Ashley Bucky, myself, Chuck thirty eight
thirty seven Seahawks went over the Los Angeles Rams and
beautiful come from behind fashion last night, send it into
overtime and one on a two point conversion. And I
was thinking of you, coach when they lined up for
that two point conversion, because I'm like, this had to
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have been what coach Homegren lived for. Yeah, you won
your Super Bowl. You know you liked Super Bowls, no
doubt about that. You want a few of those as
an assistant ad as a head coach. But I was
thinking of you, like, here it is, I got to
come up with the greatest two point conversion play that
I have, And I pictured you.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
On the frozen tundra sideline in.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Green Bay going Denmar go run into my office, there's
a play. If you move the copy of Gone with
the Wind, the wall will spin around and inside there
there'll be a play in a golden box.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Run it to me.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We're gonna run it right now.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I've been waiting this my entire career. So what did
you think in that moment? Did you live for that moment?
And what did you think of what Clint Kubiak came
up with?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Well, I first of all, tell Denmer, you gotta hurry
get in there fast, because we got to run a play.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
No in forty seconds.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I honestly had on my sheet that play.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
A play okay, every game, every game, the same play
or a different play every game based on who we're playing,
and I label it to win the game. And that
was the play and it was down there there in
the red zone.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
It was that play. And he you know that if
you look at that play, it was. We had similar
plays like that. You know, if you if you're moving
out and you're you're you're getting receivers that you know
they're going to cover and double and all that kind
of stuff, and you can sneak somebody through there. You
can kind of sneak from somebody through there. I remember
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a game that a similar thing. I said, this is
going to work against the Vikings. This is going to work.
I know it's going to work. And it would have worked.
It would have worked because they we snuck a guy out.
He was wide open the end zone and the defensive
end blocked the ball, which could have happened. Last It
could have happened. He could have happened. But the fact is,
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you can get a guy open. You can get a
guy open. Now the other things have to fall into place.
But uh, you know he had the right play. It
was perfect.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Well, there's three two point plays on that. I think
that might be the first time in history, uh for
the Sea Ox check me on that. But uh, there's
something historic in that regard. But but what if you
use your win the game in regulation and it only
gets you at overtime and then your true win the game,
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you know, is isn't.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Right?
Speaker 6 (20:27):
What do you do then, Mike?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
You know, I forgot to mention this, I really did.
I had to win the game, Okay, So then I
had a decision to make Okay, no, you know you
that's a very good point. Then I then I'd have
to go into my Yeah, demma hurry, hurry.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Hurry, Denmer a half yard push.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
Had you seen anything like this? That second two point conversion?
The uh yeah, backwards pass that then they pick up.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Oh that one? Yeah, no, no, that was.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Did you know?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
It was such a great It was such a great
football game. I don't think we even want to talk
about officials, do we.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Well they got it right, though, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I guess they got it right. I mean they I debated,
is that the one where they threw it? And they
said no, it was a lateral that the one? Yeah,
come on, you know, yeah, no, I'd never seen anything
quite like that. Buck. To answer your question, it was interesting.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
You do not think it was a you sound exasperated,
Sorry your buck.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, I didn't think it was. I thought it was
a straight line pass that was incomplete.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
You know, but if you look at the intended receiver
was just going to be one of those little smoke
screens from movement. Right with Charbonney coming in, he was
clearly behind Donald. So if Donald threw a was throwing
an accurate pass, you know, if you draw the line,
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I I Mike, I thought that the overhead kind of
clearly showed as the ball was going slow motion, it
was moving closer and closer to that line, which would
be an indicator that it was losing ground. I don't
know from what we had to uh interpret the prey play.
I thought it was elateral. But but did we all
miss something that you saw?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
No? No, I think you guys are probably right. I
at that point I was, I was kind of probably
had a bad angle on my TV.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I didn't come over and just my TV yelled at,
come here, I need your help. I got this one wrong. No,
the UH costco today. But there are certain things. There
are certain things. Certain things are happening in games, not
just last night, but in games where I just go, gee, whiz,
you know what, what have we come to here? And
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I don't know, you know, Charmon ain't picked up the ball,
but he didn't. It wasn't he was kind of.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
If he knew the rule, he would have dove on. Yeah,
he was just nobody knew the role.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, and so then you have then you have to
go New York, the room with all the all the
guys in there. Hey, we better tell him, you know,
or do we tell him? Yeah, that's yeah, we'll take it.
We will take it.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
It's a Monday morning quarterback. We have not discussed the
Running Game at all today, and I'll ask both of
you because we haven't asked Hugh about it either. I
thought it was the best ken Walker's looked all season long.
And I'm not just saying that because he had the.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Two long runs.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I thought it was great that they got him out
in space because we've been asking for that all season long.
And then I thought he just looked electrifying, and yet
he still ended up with just eleven touches, eleven carries
in the game, fourteen touches in the game. And you also,
I mean, some of those boos weren't just for Sam
Donald last night. Some of them were for Koobi Act
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because the Sea Oork fans did not like the play
calling in the first half. Sam Donald only had six
passes total in the entire first half. And I wrote
down a couple of times I like going with a
run there? But where is Walker? So what did you think?
I mean, that's a lot, that's a loaded question. But
what did you think of the approach with the Running
Game and ken Walker's performance last night?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Well, the approach early I would agree with you. When
I heard they reference the crowd. You could hear it
on the television zone. If you were there, you really
heard it. But I thought it was because of the
play selection more than anything else. That you know, if
you're sitting in the stands and you're a football fan,
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you go, this is the perfect time to throw a ball,
or let's play whatever. And then they hand the ball
off and they get a yard or something. Then near
your reaction goes way, gee whiz, come on, let's get it.
Let's get it going a little bit. But then what
I thought Walker did last night just in a really
good way he is known for and sometimes it works,
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but a lot of times, you know, he instead of
just hitting the hole. He likes that hole better than
the block hole. Last night, particularly in the second you
know he'd hit it. And once he gets past the
line of scrimmage into space, he's very hard to tackle,
very hard to tackle. And that's what happened last night.
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And I think he stayed to me, he stayed with
the play and the blocking scheme better last night. And
but Chuck to your point, eleven touches, eleven carries. That's
not a big night for.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
A guy that looks hot. He looked like he was
the hot.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
And he had one hundred yards rushing.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, you know, so here what you think?
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Yeah, well, I feel like I've always felt. I think
that you just keep giving this guy his touches and
that speed the ability to finish that play fifty five
yard touchdown to put you inexplicably up fourteen to thirteen
early in the third quarter. That play was duo left
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going over left guard. Mike, it's like you know it
as you know. It's like it's like gap scheme without
the puller, and the whole scheme is designed to go
to the tight end on the left. He saw it
bounce back to the b gap on the right between
the guard and the tackle. Had Cooper cupp Is the
split in he was coming down from a reduced split
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to dig out the safety and fourteen Kobe Durant took
a bad angle because he had to replace the safety's responsibility.
He got sucked in too far inside. But it was
that speed by Walker to be able to turn that
into a fifty five yard touchdown. Of course, he had
the screen pass extremely well designed boot throwback screen. In
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the first series, Mike calls the play texas a little
angle route. They threw to him for a nice completion
for about fifteen yards. It might have been a third
down conversion. So they were that they had a plan
in the running game. They certainly didn't have a plan
when they ran Iso left that they were going to
get a fifty five yard touchdown out of the B gap.
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But that's what he gives you. And that's why, in
my opinion, he's got to get the ball, Mike, because
at any time, a little mistake by a defender and
he and their next play is a pat No.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I mean he is. He has that type of ability,
and I think if you have the two backs and
I kind of get it because most teams are doing it.
The Rams are doing it, other teams are doing it,
balancing that and giving the guy's blows more than we
used to in the old days. But uh, Charbonna is
still he's still a valuable, valuable change of pace for
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the team. It's just how how are you going to
juggle that? And from someone who likes to throw the ball,
how are you going to juggle that and get him
enough touches?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, he's an asset, I mean, but with two seven left,
you've got the two men of warnings going to stop
the clock for you. It's first down games on the line.
How do you not have your best running back out
on the football field? How are you running that? I
don't mind you running that, because the clock's going to
stop for you. But how do you have your second
best running back on the field when you could really
use a chunk play right now?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I don't get that.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Yeah, I know that's and that's uh when you were
watching it at home? Yeah, did you say anything to
the television?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Oh yeah, I said a lot. I spoke a lot
during this case.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Made Did you say, why Clint listen to me? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
And he never does, never once has he listened to me.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Coach. I just want you to know I listened to you.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
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feel like we could go for five more hours.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
If everybody's up for it anybody, No, no good?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, I guess we'll do one
last thing then.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
So what do you got for coach? Her bucket?
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Coach, We discussed a little bit about the booing and
understandably so and play calling and whatnot. But I can
remember back when you were coaching that there would be
times at third and sixteen you'd call a screen or you'd.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Call a draw.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Draw.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Yeah, last night it didn't turn into points because that
was the same drive that Cooper Cup caught. That pass
gets down there and Fump gets hit and fumbles. But
there was a third and sixteen they called a draw
and they got seventeen yards out of it. In the
middle of the play when they hand off, the crowd
booze and then he gets seventeen yards.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Was there a part of you that smiled and said,
you know what, I'm glad you brought that up, because
on that play, I said, I used to that and
not get credit for it. I used to do that
and look at they you know what. But I thought
when he handed the ball off, honestly, I was probably
part of that group in the stands he said what
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are you doing? What are you doing? And then I
caught myself. I used to do that. This is probably
a pretty good ideas and he got a first down. Yes,
I used to do that. Good, That's what I was
hoping you did.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, I kind of felt like a throwaway play that worked. Yes, yeah,
it worked. And I even wrote down at the time,
I wrote down that might end up being the biggest
play of the year, and ended up not even being
the biggest play of the quarter, but nonetheless it seemed
pretty big at the time. What do you got for
coach you?
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (30:45):
You know one guy that really nobody's talking. I don't
say nobody, but I don't hear it talk seldom talked
about from last night is Josh Jones. And there are
some positions cornerback left where no news is good news.
If you don't hear him mention, you're not thinking about him.
That's a good officials, it's a good thing if you're
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not thinking about him.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Right.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
And and here was a guy there was two big
injuries might coming into this game. Matthew Stafford didn't seem
to miss DeVante Adams. He threw for four hundred and
fifty seven yards and Seattle. I thought, with Josh Jones
at left tackle. I thought he had a hell of
a game. I mean, he had no sacks, and you
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know he he was in some ways. He was taking
on the block closer to the line of scrimmage, a
little bit more of a jump set as opposed to
a kickstep deep drop. I don't know. I thought in
training camp he looked like a guy that could be
the best swing tackle the Seahawks have had in years,
and they thrust him into those duties. I thought he
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had a hell of a game. Did you have any
impression about him?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, I thought going into the game, I thought, I
if the Rams and they have good pass rushers on
the outside, that that could be a problem. You you
bring in a guy who hasn't played a lot, and
you know he's going to have his hands full. But
I'm glad you mentioned him because he did exactly what
you said. He he really held it together and did
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a great job. And you know, he's a giant guy.
He's a big man. And I didn't study the film
like you do, Hugh, but it didn't it didn't disrupt anything.
That didn't that didn't disrupt anything for the Seahawks, And
so give him his credit.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Absolutely all right, well close with this. I suppose, all right,
it's a Thursday night game. I mentioned earlier in the
show that you know, Ashley and I get to watch
Sunday stress free. We get to watch our football this
weekend completely stress free. Bucky's got a little stressing out
to do. I suppose on Sunday. As a coach, when
you play on Thursday night, how good does it feel
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coming off a win, to go into the holidays and
not have to worry about whether you're gonna win or
lose that weekend.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I think it's great, And I think I don't know
what his message to the team will be, but if
I was in that exact situation they have off until Monday,
you just enjoy it. Now, you caution it's a cautionary tale.
You you got to kind of be smart about how
you handle us. But enjoy your family, enjoy whatever you
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want to enjoy, and then come back Monday and we'll
get rolling for the next game. But yeah, it's Thursday night,
win the way they won. Enjoy the couple of days
that follow that before you have to get back to work.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
He's really got things cooking, doesn't he. And he's really
got a good program going on right now.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
He is really good and and and you know what,
everyone and if no one anticipated this in the beginning,
they thought they'd be good and improved and all that
kind of stuff, but this is really something. And now
they're in. They're in.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
They're in the past.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
So now they're there. Now they approach a different season,
and you know, they got a couple of games left,
a big important game, but they're in. And now that
the playoffs and then the super Bowl, you got two
different seasons coming up.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Chuck, can I veer off the format real quick?
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Mike?
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
The decision to go for two in overtime, some people
think that there was there was a decision there. I
can't imagine, you know, on a Thursday, after you played
Sunday played overtime, I can't imagine asking that defense to
go out on the field and play one more play.
You know, it seemed like the two point was the obvious.
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But but what what is there anything that you're thinking
as a head coach in that regard?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
No, I think I think that's they made the It worked,
so they made the right decision. But when you have that,
if you're in that position to win the football game,
after what they'd gone through, I think you take your shot. Absolutely.
I would have done the same thing.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, well, especially since I mean even with a tie,
if you end up with a tie, rams still on
the tie break, it seemed like a no brainer to me.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
There was, there was right rationale for it.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
You.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, all right, gentlemen, excellent work. Thank you very much
for everything. Appreciate it. And I'm not going to be
here early next week, so i won't see you again.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
So Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Merry Christmas, guys.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Happy holidays to both of you. Yeah, and we'll do
this again real soon.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Great, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
You got more notes than usual over there, Like that's
stacked there, Coach. That's just that's just topical notes to
discuss with you and Hugh here today.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You know what you're doing. That such a nice job
with that I have. I had one extra sheet on
one sheet.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Kind of compartmentalized things and just I'm short short doing
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
But are you saying you're more efficient than I am?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
No, I'm saying I'm probably less efficient. But I circle things,
you know, and said this is important.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
You're more of a circler than a scribbler.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Chuck it back in the mornings, Coach, ober Now joins
the conversation here on a Monday morning Quarterback on a
Football Friday, as we recap last night's insane thirty eight
to thirty seven win over the Los Angeles Rams in overtime.
And there's still a lot of ground we haven't gotten
to with Hugh, So we'll cover some new ground with
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both you and Hugh this hour, But also just want
to get your thoughts just off the top. Your down
sixteen midway through the fourth quarter against the team that
some people think is the best team in the National
Football League, and they certainly played that way for most
of the game. What do you attribute to being able
to come back in this contest? Because it's not like
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the Rams gave it away. They didn't have any turnovers,
you know, they didn't just give it to the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
They kind of.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Took it from them in the fourth quarter. So what
do you attribute to this comeback win?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well, first of all, the game was out of sight.
It was one of the more remarkable games I've seen
in a long time. I never thought it'd be that
high scoring. I thought it'd be close, but so it was.
You know, kudos to both sides. Honestly, it was a great,
great football game. To your point, Chuck, I think when
they're down, you know, I thought, I sat there, I'm
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watching the game. I said, okay, it's it's they're pretty
much toast, you know what I mean, And this is
the game's over, and it wasn't. And I think when
you're in that situation and the team reacts like the
Seahawks reacted, I think that says a lot. My own
feeling says a lot about the coach and how he
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has taught and prepared the team and how they think
and how they games is like the score is, the
score is, we've seen it before. The score is kind
of there, and obviously you're playing to get more points
than the other team, but just how they stuck, how
they stick with it, how they keep playing, how the
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belief system, and I credit I credit Mike the belief
system in what they're doing that they're going to make something.
We're going to make this work and at the end
we're going to have a good feeling because and then
there was no I didn't have that feeling, you know.
And I'm watching the game, and I think a lot
of fans there's some left thought some bood Yeah, yeah,
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I said this is over. And Uh, that's a real
credit I think to Mike McDonald, how he and how
he has prepared his team and the philosophy they play with.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Mike, when you let's talk about Sam Darnold's role in that.
I assume when you go to overtime that you'd say,
if I hit you up before the game, you say, hey,
we're going to go into overtime, you know, what words
might you say to your quarterback? You might think, well,
hopefully we've been you know, having a real successful game
(03:56):
for a fourth quarter and for four quarters to say, hey,
just keep rip in their ass like you've been, you know,
go get them. But that's not what Mike McDonald might
have been able to say. He had the two uh interceptions,
and they're both pretty pretty grisly. I mean, those were
those are bad interceptions and and and yet he's gotta
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you gotta somehow flush it and still be a playmaker.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
What what what do you say to your quarterback in
that situation?
Speaker 6 (04:25):
And then when you watch what Donald did, uh after
those two interceptions, you know, making the place to win
the football game, kind of what's what's your thoughts and
all of that as that unfolds.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Well as it unfolds. Excuse me, the uh I would say,
it's a new game, you know. I mean, you're you're
going into overtime or you're you're talking to your quarterback
and Hugh, you've you've probably been talked to this way
that what what has happened? What has happened prior? Okay,
it happened, but now, okay, this is a fresh start.
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This is a new game. We got a chance to win.
This is what I'm gonna call. This is what I'm
gonna do. Make good decisions and just kind of.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
That was every series for me, Mike, what you just
described that.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Every series.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Forget about that last pass here.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
But you know, what's a game.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
It's a new game.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, you get that. That's that's what you That's what
I think what you have to impress upon the player.
You know that I'm not thinking there. I'm not going there,
and I don't want you going there. This is what
we're doing, and just spell it out for him. And
then you know, I wouldn't. I didn't use the letter
rip saying very much. But uh, they they knew and
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that fresh start let's go you know.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
Yeah, Well, I mean he doesn't seem to get completely rattled.
Maybe he did it with when he throws his fourth
interception the first time that they met, but he seemed
to keep his composure enough and make some unbelievable throws
there down the stretch. That one quarter route you discussed
earlier to Cooper Cup was just an absolute dime over
the guy, but still in bounds.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
When the momentum.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
Starts to shift like that and you're coaching, right, I mean,
it's down sixteen with nine minutes, there's time, but you
know you kind of feel like you're gonna need something special,
like a punt return.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
For a touchdown, something like that.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
But once it starts to happen, is there anything in
particular that you did where let's go for the jug
that's hit him quick like they did with the second touchdown,
or or is there anything change in your mind as
a coach and a play caller because you feel that
momentum shift.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I don't think it changes too much in your play selection,
but there absolutely is a feeling on the sideline and
when the momentum changes like that and you're kind of
approaching a chance to win this thing when it didn't
look good, not only the players. I mean the coaches
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feel it. And I used to walk the walk, and
kind of you see mcvh do it every once in
a while, and you don't see Mike do it too much.
But you turn around and you're talking to the players
and you're okay here, you know, you're kind of gain
you're you're you're feeling the momentum, and you want to
make sure the players do. But you don't have to
say too much if you've if you've prepared them and
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taught them about those things. And I think he has
done that. That's probably why he doesn't have to do
too much. And that's why assistant coaches, you know, probably
do it for him. And now you have twenty six
assistant coaches in the seat of ten. So you got
a lot of guys cheerleading on the sideline, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
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R F M. Well, let's let's have this, Maybe put
this conversation to bed, or at least advance it. Two
more interceptions from Sam and yet he does overcome it
and makes all the throws down the stretch to somehow
win that game. So I would just ask you, and
(07:57):
you would as well. Does Sam Darnold abn in issue?
And if so, what did last night's come back do
for him to maybe fix that problem?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
You know what's he's in his own mind and then
everyone's mind. He's throwing too many interceptions. I get that,
you know, but they're winning. Look at their record, and
he's the quarterback and he's doing it. He is doing
it for them. It might might everyone wants every once
in a while it looks a little why do he
do that? You know? But I've lived through that, you know,
I've been there, and so you just keep going, You
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keep going. He is the reason that their record is
the record they have. And they have a great defense,
they have good talent on offense, but that quarterback has
gotten him this far. And so you know, quarterback, you
play the position, you're going to throw an interception now
and then. But look at I think everyone has to
kind of stick with him and stand behind him, and
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he's going to be the guy and his teammates know that.
His teammates know that. And as a coach trying to
fix something, I think you don't overthink it. You know,
just now, let's look at why it happened. You talk
about it, certainly, but I'm looking I've been in his
corner since the beginning, and I'm going to stick there, Hugh.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
I firmly agree with every word Mike just said.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
There. You know, I think that that if if I imagine,
if I was, you know, backup and Mike was the coach,
or I was in that meeting room, it's not that
they we wouldn't be trying to, you know, remedy and
avoid interceptions. You know, earlier in the year.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
It was probably a little easier.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
To to reconcile because you know, he was producing big
plays at such a huge rate.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
That slit a little bit in these past few weeks.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
But you know, he made the plays last night when
they needed to be made, and I think that that,
in many people's judgment, that's the real mark of a quarterback.
But Mike, just those two interceptions, you know, the first one,
you know, it's just it was a disguised two deep
five under Uh, they're getting what you would call lion
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double slant to the left, you know, with a zone.
Now there happened to have been a tight end on
that side.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
So it was a trips he was doing to sit
over the ball.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
But uh, you gotta you gotta read that number two defender,
the guy over the overhang defender. If he doesn't, if
he doesn't reduce inside with that inside slant, you can't
throw the outside slant, right. And I mean just kind
of talk about that one, because that that stuff that
I've taught at high school, that the concept that you've
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got to know the inside defender if you're gonna throw
the outside slant on double slant.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Well, first of all, I think if if he recognizes that,
if that's the defense he sees five under, that's not
the greatest play to have against that because you have
underneath coverage. There are the holes get squeezed down with
five under on to double slants. Now to your point here,
if he stays with it, he's got to be aware
of that. Absolutely, I would tell him, I would say,
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get out of that play. Call something we done. Not
to be complicated with something that's a two deep five
hunderd beater or a better play versus that defense.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
But it started, Mike, It started as a single high
and at the snap that rotated, you know, it looked
like it could be number one cover one press, so
I don't think he had a great read on it.
And it became it looked like cover one press and
became two D five hunder zone right. And as I said,
I want to make the point, it wasn't a two
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by formation. It was a three by to that side,
and the tight end, who was an inline position barner,
he kind of sat over the ball.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
The other one the interception.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
Down by the goal line. Mike, my notes, you know
my terminology is cover zero double rat. It was it
was man to man, no safety, and then you had
two line who started to rush, but then they pulled
out into the hook zones. And it's the exact same
notes that I had on Leonard Williams ninety two yard
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interception return against Aaron Rodgers last year. Cover zero double
rat And so you know it can get quarterbacks if
you don't see that guy, you know, you think you
think it's cover zero, you think it's man and man. Oh,
there's there's no problems to throw that insight slanding by
the way, it was dragging to the left, Mike, which
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Chuck and Buck is is slanted by the outside guy
and a quick flat by the slot receiver.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Cup just talk about how you would analyze and you
would coach Darnold after he made that mistake.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, you know, that's a tough one because if if
you know Aaron Rodgers did it, he's played a little bit.
He made the same and that's if you have defensive
linemen that can do that. Okay, Obviously you had to
be talked about it going into the game. From that situation,
you just have to be careful. You got to be
careful in certain situations, and that's one of them. You know,
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if you don't see it, if you see the opening,
throw it. If you can't see the opening, but you
know you think it's there because of the coverage you had. No, No,
you got to be careful about that one. That would
be the coaching coaching I would do on that play.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
So and sorry, check the book. Just one more thought
because I think this is an important point, Mike. When
Darnold threw that interception, this is the one down by
the goal we're just talking about with the defensive lineman
popping out and getting it. They chose to have the
sen There was three to the left and three to
the right out of an empty formation. The tight end
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was to the right, So there's three guys to the right,
two receivers to the left. They chose to have the
center go to the right towards the tight end, which
meant that the end on the left was on the
on the open side with the tackle, there's no tight
end and outside he has a shorter edge. Had they
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had they directed the center to go to the left,
because and there's an open edge to the left. Now
the unblocked guy would have been way outside the tight.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
End to the right.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
He has a lot longer path to get to the quarterback.
What do you think about the idea of of of
the center and now he wanted to throw the dragon
into the into the pressure, but but that's certainly a
part of avoiding this situation is choosing the short edge
versus the long edge on the unblocked rusher.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, you know it. Either way, he's going to have
to get the ball out of his hand quickly because
even though he's one more man removed. Uh, he's going
to get there and get hit if you hold on
the ball too long because they don't have enough blockers.
But so he has got to deliver the They have
enough blockers, but not the way the defensive guys popped out.
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So yeah, yeah, it makes some sense to do that,
send the center away and give the guy have a
little more time to throw it. But then sometimes you
just have to say, okay, they got me here, Okay,
they got me here, and tuck the ball and run
or get down or do something, but don't throw the interception.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Well, ultimately, I mean I would imagine that's Shula, right,
Chris Shula is the defensive coordinator for the Rams. Yes,
he probably learned that. Yeah, it's not Don Shula.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I know that.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Yeah, they probably learned that from watching a Hermerson High
School Bulldogs game. Coach. I would imagine because we had
one of those. It was called Bonzie. It was Bucky
on the zone as a defensive end. I would drop
into coverage. Yeah, picked off Tony Hill. He was the
best quarterback in our state.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
And everybody runs the Bonzie play.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Now, yeah, they learned it from us, And you got
the interception.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
I did, wow, And then I almost fumbled while I
was getting tackled, but I didn't.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I mean, it's the danger of Bonzie. Yeah, everybody knows it.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Not much of a ball handling. Yeah, yeah, exactly I
dropped back. They tried hitting the tight end like a
hot route of some sort. Uh, you were probably no
after the interception, you're probably running down with the ball
in your hands.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
No better than that, No, no, no, No premature celebration
out of this guy coach than laps.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I think I have new terminology that takes less time
to write, Bonzi than cover zero double rat.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, okay, I don't want to be called a rat. Yeah,
that will always be Bonzie. It will always be BONDI
from this time. Well, it wasn't very bright. I think
it was. Ray Brown was our coach.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
He had to make it simple enough to where I
knew it right, like it was specific for me dropping back.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
We didn't run it very often, but lucky on zone.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, Sam Darnold needs to be careful of that play.
I mean, you gotta be careful with those three hundred
and fifteen pound defensive tackles standing between you and JSN.
All right, it is Monday morning. A lot more to
discuss with coaching with Hugh. We'll get to it next.
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Speaker 1 (17:06):
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Speaker 2 (17:24):
No, no, benmen, we got so much more to discuss.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
This game was just loaded with.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Topics, and so we'll do our best. We'll try to
get it all in here. We've got you Millanire, We've
got Mike Holmgren here, Ashley Bucky, myself, Chuck thirty eight
thirty seven Seahawks went over the Los Angeles Rams and
beautiful come from behind fashion last night, send it into
overtime and one on a two point conversion. And I
was thinking of you, coach when they lined up for
that two point conversion, because I'm like, this had to
(17:53):
have been what coach Homegren lived for. Yeah, you won
your Super Bowl. You know you liked Super Bowls, no
doubt about that. You want a few of those as
an assistant ad as a head coach. But I was
thinking of you, like, here it is, I got to
come up with the greatest two point conversion play that
I have, And I pictured you.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
On the frozen tundra sideline in.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Green Bay going Denmar go run into my office, there's
a play. If you move the copy of Gone with
the Wind, the wall will spin around and inside there
there'll be a play in a golden box.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Run it to me.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We're gonna run it right now.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I've been waiting this my entire career. So what did
you think in that moment? Did you live for that moment?
And what did you think of what Clint Kubiak came
up with?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Well, I first of all, tell Denmer, you gotta hurry
get in there fast, because we got to run a play.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
No in forty seconds.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I honestly had on my sheet that play.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
A play okay, every game, every game, the same play
or a different play every game based on who we're playing,
and I label it to win the game. And that
was the play and it was down there there in
the red zone.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
It was that play. And he you know that if
you look at that play, it was. We had similar
plays like that. You know, if you if you're moving
out and you're you're you're getting receivers that you know
they're going to cover and double and all that kind
of stuff, and you can sneak somebody through there. You
can kind of sneak from somebody through there. I remember
(19:29):
a game that a similar thing. I said, this is
going to work against the Vikings. This is going to work.
I know it's going to work. And it would have worked.
It would have worked because they we snuck a guy out.
He was wide open the end zone and the defensive
end blocked the ball, which could have happened. Last It
could have happened. He could have happened. But the fact is,
(19:50):
you can get a guy open. You can get a
guy open. Now the other things have to fall into place.
But uh, you know he had the right play. It
was perfect.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Well, there's three two point plays on that. I think
that might be the first time in history, uh for
the Sea Ox check me on that. But uh, there's
something historic in that regard. But but what if you
use your win the game in regulation and it only
gets you at overtime and then your true win the game,
(20:21):
you know, is isn't.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Right?
Speaker 6 (20:27):
What do you do then, Mike?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
You know, I forgot to mention this, I really did.
I had to win the game, Okay, So then I
had a decision to make Okay, no, you know you
that's a very good point. Then I then I'd have
to go into my Yeah, demma hurry, hurry.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Hurry, Denmer a half yard push.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
Had you seen anything like this? That second two point conversion?
The uh yeah, backwards pass that then they pick up.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Oh that one? Yeah, no, no, that was.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Did you know?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
It was such a great It was such a great
football game. I don't think we even want to talk
about officials, do we.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Well they got it right, though, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I guess they got it right. I mean they I debated,
is that the one where they threw it? And they
said no, it was a lateral that the one? Yeah,
come on, you know, yeah, no, I'd never seen anything
quite like that. Buck. To answer your question, it was interesting.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
You do not think it was a you sound exasperated,
Sorry your buck.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, I didn't think it was. I thought it was
a straight line pass that was incomplete.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
You know, but if you look at the intended receiver
was just going to be one of those little smoke
screens from movement. Right with Charbonney coming in, he was
clearly behind Donald. So if Donald threw a was throwing
an accurate pass, you know, if you draw the line,
(22:01):
I I Mike, I thought that the overhead kind of
clearly showed as the ball was going slow motion, it
was moving closer and closer to that line, which would
be an indicator that it was losing ground. I don't
know from what we had to uh interpret the prey play.
I thought it was elateral. But but did we all
miss something that you saw?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
No? No, I think you guys are probably right. I
at that point I was, I was kind of probably
had a bad angle on my TV.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I didn't come over and just my TV yelled at,
come here, I need your help. I got this one wrong. No,
the UH costco today. But there are certain things. There
are certain things. Certain things are happening in games, not
just last night, but in games where I just go, gee, whiz,
you know what, what have we come to here? And
(22:51):
I don't know, you know, Charmon ain't picked up the ball,
but he didn't. It wasn't he was kind of.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
If he knew the rule, he would have dove on. Yeah,
he was just nobody knew the role.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, and so then you have then you have to
go New York, the room with all the all the
guys in there. Hey, we better tell him, you know,
or do we tell him? Yeah, that's yeah, we'll take it.
We will take it.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
It's a Monday morning quarterback. We have not discussed the
Running Game at all today, and I'll ask both of
you because we haven't asked Hugh about it either. I
thought it was the best ken Walker's looked all season long.
And I'm not just saying that because he had the.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Two long runs.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I thought it was great that they got him out
in space because we've been asking for that all season long.
And then I thought he just looked electrifying, and yet
he still ended up with just eleven touches, eleven carries
in the game, fourteen touches in the game. And you also,
I mean, some of those boos weren't just for Sam
Donald last night. Some of them were for Koobi Act
(23:54):
because the Sea Oork fans did not like the play
calling in the first half. Sam Donald only had six
passes total in the entire first half. And I wrote
down a couple of times I like going with a
run there? But where is Walker? So what did you think?
I mean, that's a lot, that's a loaded question. But
what did you think of the approach with the Running
Game and ken Walker's performance last night?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Well, the approach early I would agree with you. When
I heard they reference the crowd. You could hear it
on the television zone. If you were there, you really
heard it. But I thought it was because of the
play selection more than anything else. That you know, if
you're sitting in the stands and you're a football fan,
(24:35):
you go, this is the perfect time to throw a ball,
or let's play whatever. And then they hand the ball
off and they get a yard or something. Then near
your reaction goes way, gee whiz, come on, let's get it.
Let's get it going a little bit. But then what
I thought Walker did last night just in a really
good way he is known for and sometimes it works,
(24:59):
but a lot of times, you know, he instead of
just hitting the hole. He likes that hole better than
the block hole. Last night, particularly in the second you
know he'd hit it. And once he gets past the
line of scrimmage into space, he's very hard to tackle,
very hard to tackle. And that's what happened last night.
(25:19):
And I think he stayed to me, he stayed with
the play and the blocking scheme better last night. And
but Chuck to your point, eleven touches, eleven carries. That's
not a big night for.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
A guy that looks hot. He looked like he was
the hot.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
And he had one hundred yards rushing.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, you know, so here what you think?
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Yeah, well, I feel like I've always felt. I think
that you just keep giving this guy his touches and
that speed the ability to finish that play fifty five
yard touchdown to put you inexplicably up fourteen to thirteen
early in the third quarter. That play was duo left
(26:03):
going over left guard. Mike, it's like you know it
as you know. It's like it's like gap scheme without
the puller, and the whole scheme is designed to go
to the tight end on the left. He saw it
bounce back to the b gap on the right between
the guard and the tackle. Had Cooper cupp Is the
split in he was coming down from a reduced split
(26:25):
to dig out the safety and fourteen Kobe Durant took
a bad angle because he had to replace the safety's responsibility.
He got sucked in too far inside. But it was
that speed by Walker to be able to turn that
into a fifty five yard touchdown. Of course, he had
the screen pass extremely well designed boot throwback screen. In
(26:49):
the first series, Mike calls the play texas a little
angle route. They threw to him for a nice completion
for about fifteen yards. It might have been a third
down conversion. So they were that they had a plan
in the running game. They certainly didn't have a plan
when they ran Iso left that they were going to
get a fifty five yard touchdown out of the B gap.
(27:10):
But that's what he gives you. And that's why, in
my opinion, he's got to get the ball, Mike, because
at any time, a little mistake by a defender and
he and their next play is a pat No.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I mean he is. He has that type of ability,
and I think if you have the two backs and
I kind of get it because most teams are doing it.
The Rams are doing it, other teams are doing it,
balancing that and giving the guy's blows more than we
used to in the old days. But uh, Charbonna is
still he's still a valuable, valuable change of pace for
(27:45):
the team. It's just how how are you going to
juggle that? And from someone who likes to throw the ball,
how are you going to juggle that and get him
enough touches?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, he's an asset, I mean, but with two seven left,
you've got the two men of warnings going to stop
the clock for you. It's first down games on the line.
How do you not have your best running back out
on the football field? How are you running that? I
don't mind you running that, because the clock's going to
stop for you. But how do you have your second
best running back on the field when you could really
use a chunk play right now?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I don't get that.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Yeah, I know that's and that's uh when you were
watching it at home? Yeah, did you say anything to
the television?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Oh yeah, I said a lot. I spoke a lot
during this case.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Made Did you say, why Clint listen to me? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
And he never does, never once has he listened to me.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Coach. I just want you to know I listened to you.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
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(29:08):
feel like we could go for five more hours.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
If everybody's up for it anybody, No, no good?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, I guess we'll do one
last thing then.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
So what do you got for coach? Her bucket?
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Coach, We discussed a little bit about the booing and
understandably so and play calling and whatnot. But I can
remember back when you were coaching that there would be
times at third and sixteen you'd call a screen or you'd.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
Call a draw.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Draw.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Yeah, last night it didn't turn into points because that
was the same drive that Cooper Cup caught. That pass
gets down there and Fump gets hit and fumbles. But
there was a third and sixteen they called a draw
and they got seventeen yards out of it. In the
middle of the play when they hand off, the crowd
booze and then he gets seventeen yards.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Was there a part of you that smiled and said,
you know what, I'm glad you brought that up, because
on that play, I said, I used to that and
not get credit for it. I used to do that
and look at they you know what. But I thought
when he handed the ball off, honestly, I was probably
part of that group in the stands he said what
(30:12):
are you doing? What are you doing? And then I
caught myself. I used to do that. This is probably
a pretty good ideas and he got a first down. Yes,
I used to do that. Good, That's what I was
hoping you did.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, I kind of felt like a throwaway play that worked. Yes, yeah,
it worked. And I even wrote down at the time,
I wrote down that might end up being the biggest
play of the year, and ended up not even being
the biggest play of the quarter, but nonetheless it seemed
pretty big at the time. What do you got for
coach you?
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (30:45):
You know one guy that really nobody's talking. I don't
say nobody, but I don't hear it talk seldom talked
about from last night is Josh Jones. And there are
some positions cornerback left where no news is good news.
If you don't hear him mention, you're not thinking about him.
That's a good officials, it's a good thing if you're
(31:08):
not thinking about him.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Right.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
And and here was a guy there was two big
injuries might coming into this game. Matthew Stafford didn't seem
to miss DeVante Adams. He threw for four hundred and
fifty seven yards and Seattle. I thought, with Josh Jones
at left tackle. I thought he had a hell of
a game. I mean, he had no sacks, and you
(31:31):
know he he was in some ways. He was taking
on the block closer to the line of scrimmage, a
little bit more of a jump set as opposed to
a kickstep deep drop. I don't know. I thought in
training camp he looked like a guy that could be
the best swing tackle the Seahawks have had in years,
and they thrust him into those duties. I thought he
(31:52):
had a hell of a game. Did you have any
impression about him?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well, I thought going into the game, I thought, I
if the Rams and they have good pass rushers on
the outside, that that could be a problem. You you
bring in a guy who hasn't played a lot, and
you know he's going to have his hands full. But
I'm glad you mentioned him because he did exactly what
you said. He he really held it together and did
(32:16):
a great job. And you know, he's a giant guy.
He's a big man. And I didn't study the film
like you do, Hugh, but it didn't it didn't disrupt anything.
That didn't that didn't disrupt anything for the Seahawks, And
so give him his credit.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Absolutely all right, well close with this. I suppose, all right,
it's a Thursday night game. I mentioned earlier in the
show that you know, Ashley and I get to watch
Sunday stress free. We get to watch our football this
weekend completely stress free. Bucky's got a little stressing out
to do. I suppose on Sunday. As a coach, when
you play on Thursday night, how good does it feel
(32:56):
coming off a win, to go into the holidays and
not have to worry about whether you're gonna win or
lose that weekend.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I think it's great, And I think I don't know
what his message to the team will be, but if
I was in that exact situation they have off until Monday,
you just enjoy it. Now, you caution it's a cautionary tale.
You you got to kind of be smart about how
you handle us. But enjoy your family, enjoy whatever you
(33:22):
want to enjoy, and then come back Monday and we'll
get rolling for the next game. But yeah, it's Thursday night,
win the way they won. Enjoy the couple of days
that follow that before you have to get back to work.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
He's really got things cooking, doesn't he. And he's really
got a good program going on right now.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
He is really good and and and you know what,
everyone and if no one anticipated this in the beginning,
they thought they'd be good and improved and all that
kind of stuff, but this is really something. And now
they're in. They're in.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
They're in the past.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
So now they're there. Now they approach a different season,
and you know, they got a couple of games left,
a big important game, but they're in. And now that
the playoffs and then the super Bowl, you got two
different seasons coming up.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Chuck, can I veer off the format real quick?
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Mike?
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
The decision to go for two in overtime, some people
think that there was there was a decision there. I
can't imagine, you know, on a Thursday, after you played
Sunday played overtime, I can't imagine asking that defense to
go out on the field and play one more play.
You know, it seemed like the two point was the obvious.
(34:29):
But but what what is there anything that you're thinking
as a head coach in that regard?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
No, I think I think that's they made the It worked,
so they made the right decision. But when you have that,
if you're in that position to win the football game,
after what they'd gone through, I think you take your shot. Absolutely.
I would have done the same thing.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, well, especially since I mean even with a tie,
if you end up with a tie, rams still on
the tie break, it seemed like a no brainer to me.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
There was, there was right rationale for it.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
You.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, all right, gentlemen, excellent work. Thank you very much
for everything. Appreciate it. And I'm not going to be
here early next week, so i won't see you again.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
So Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Merry Christmas, guys.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Happy holidays to both of you. Yeah, and we'll do
this again real soon.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Great, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
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Morning Quarterback coming up next year on the radio program.
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