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December 2, 2025 38 mins
- Yes, it’s annoying to talk about your fantasy football teams, but sometimes it has to be done! At this time of year, when we are vying for playoff spots, everything is agonizing, even when you don’t have anyone playing. :30- Lane Kiffin has lit the sports media world on fire after the way he handled leaving Ole Miss for LSU. Yes, college football has a lot of blame for this, but it’s not about Kiffin leaving one job for another, it’s about the way he went about it when he didn’t get his way. :45- With all the chatter about Kiffin, it’s fair to ask “where is the new line that CFB coaches shouldn’t cross?”

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
S time.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Good morning, class leads and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
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Illinois and former high school basketball stand up.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
When the hell does that mean? Jumped? Any conclusions?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Not a god, You've got to lower lower your expectations.

Speaker 5 (00:20):
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
I'm getting some Bucky jacobs and vibes and former I'll
just openly admit I'm a fat, out of shaped X athlete.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
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Speaker 5 (00:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
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Speaker 5 (01:09):
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
Good morning, Welcome in.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
It is the Tuesday edition Up Chuck the Buck in
the Morning. Sports Radio ninety three point three k j
A r f M. Four hours of sports talk radio
coming your way today with Ashley Ryan, former mayor and
her Bucky Jacobson, and myself Chuck Powell it's good to
have you with us here on this Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Certainly the holiday spirit is in the air.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Even though Grumpy Jacobson's way up in North Bend got
a part of it last night.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
It sounds like, oh, we're on board, O at the
absolute proper time, and you're supposed to be on board.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I'd say you could have done it on Friday or Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Friday. Friday, Yeah, that's that is that's the month of Flloween. Yeah,
and then November is the month of.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Giving Christmas whateversion I want to make of that.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
No, that's giving. Oh and so yep, we did. We
went and got a tree. We were a couple of
days late, i'd say, on getting a tree, I think
the day after Thanksgiving is the day to do it.
But we were busy, so we didn't do it.

Speaker 5 (02:11):
Then.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Well, and the house lights, I mean yeah, Kate, Kate
actually even decorated like a big tree, like out in
our yard.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
See.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
I just assume that everything that you need is just
out in your yard.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, like that. You don't have to go get a tree.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
There's just one that you've been growing from the last
ten years that's now reached peak.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Bear and I are taking the axe out to go
get our Christmas tree back there in the back yonder
on the forty.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, that's what I always, That's just what.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I there is and makes your own lights.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, yes, exactly like him.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah she probably could. Hey, why don't you? She was
thinking while we were putting the fireflies. Yeah, I'm gonna
need a couple another jar fall.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
You'll get some more firefly's all morning. Let me alone.
I need time. Yeah, catch the fire trees off of
my property.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh you don't want to.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah, that's why I said.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
You go to the back forty that belongs to you, know, Ebner,
you know you your neighbor.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
I would say that I have poached it. I can't
say that I've never poached a Christmas tree permits. I
just figured, oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I like to think of your house as half river
front wander wonder and half Christmas tree farm.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I wish I had it. I went and talked to
the folks at the Christmas Tree Farm yesterday when we
got it, and I'm like, I'm so jealous of you.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
They had like fifty acres. Yeah, Christmas trees all over
that picture beyond that even more sophisticated. I picture like, uh, bucket,
the washer and dryer are acting up again. All right,
I'll go back in the backyard and cut one down.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
And then the next thing, you know, you guys slung
over your shoulder and you're bringing it back.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yeah. Yeah, for to that house too. You've gotta plug it.
We're closer to and we don't we're not this close
to this, but that we have just a bunch of
spare washer and dryers on the back.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
For me.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Wow, it's like Kate might want to go get another
one washer sylenoids out of one of them there in
the back forty to buy my first soillnoid in my life?
Did you how about that? I look at that.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I thought you made that word up.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
No, that's a word. I just bought one. Yeah, Kate
would actually know what it does inside of a machine.
I don't any thing. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I feel like I'm late to the party. Yeah yeah,
I mean most people buy the first syllnoid in the
first twenty five.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Years probably, yeah, or you may have bought one before.
I didn't know that you wout maybe to be fair.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Though, you didn't start drinking till late. So a lot
of other things are going to be true.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
That's true. True, Yeah, I'm very you're late bloomer.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's right, You're probably right on selenoid time.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
I think that's why I put the Christmas tree up
so early, just try to make up for all the
long time the other area.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Ye out, all right.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
I thought it was so you could drink nog.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Well that's a great reason too. I'll tell you that
it is a delicious thing. Every year I remind myself.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Man, this stuff's good.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Well, good morning to you all. Welcome into the show.
Everybody's trees up on this radio program. We're actually going
to go over some holiday analytics a little bit later
on in the show because Mike Holmgren won't stop wearing
my ass out about it, So we're gonna get to
that a little later on in the program. I look,
I don't know if there's anything more annoying in the world.

(05:32):
I'm sure there is, but just being a prisoner of
the moment, then people talking about their own fantasy football teams. Okay,
it probably ranks up there as like the most annoying
thing that anyone can overhear. Yeah, and I mean the
bartender on Thursdays. My buddy, he's not my buddy, but

(05:53):
he's my bartender, Jake, and so he plays fantasy football.
So it's almost the first thing that comes up anybody
playing tonight.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
So we do it.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Uh and and he he he and I are on
the same page with it, so we can have the
conversation and not annoy one another with it, even though
we're not in the same league. But I can just
feel the people around me. I can feel like the
ovaries of the staff, just like drying up uh over.
Probably no one's ever picked up a girl by saying, hey,

(06:24):
how's how's your fantasy football?

Speaker 1 (06:30):
You could finally pick someone up by saying, hey, I'll
trade you js N And then.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Maybe you could today, Yeah, maybe you could today. You know,
I don't. Yeah, Bucky still has his doubts.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
But yeah, I'm not sure that it's the best opening
line if you're trying to pick up a woman at
the bar to be just like to complain about the
bad break you got last night and the definitely.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Not but I I got to tell you something.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
It is really and I got I took it in
the shorts last night and I didn't even have anybody
playing but it is a beautiful thing. It is a crazy,
beautiful thing. Fantasy football that I got introduced to when
I was nineteen years old. I haven't stopped playing for
a little while. I didn't start playing it again until
we kicked up the league here at kJ R.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Almost when you bought your first syllnoid.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, it was after I bought my first cylind or
before I bought my first syllinoid. That shows you the timeline. Yeah,
and yet I mean, here you have this game that
I didn't even watch. I mean, I watched four straight
days of nothing but football, and I will be damned
if I was going to watch the Giants and the
Patriots play last night. I mean that just looked like
a garbage matchup to me. So I didn't even watch it,

(07:43):
but I did kind of keep track of it. And
part of it was because some of the fantasy results
would have affected me. And here's what would have affected me.
This is how crazy that this is the Patriots kicker.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Who no one's ever heard of.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Okay, he was playing for Chris offered from mollywops team
who if they if Crawford's team won last night, it
was going to probably put a big wrench in me
making the playoffs, and so he had the kicker going
but was trailing by eleven. Bucky, if he would have

(08:18):
won his against Jackson last night, that would have helped
me out a little bit too in trying to get
to the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Next week.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I got my team seven and six. Looks like we
should win next week, go eight and six, And yet
that's not a guarantee to get into the playoffs. Bucky's
going against the Patriots defense and is leading by ten.
So I need Bucky to win and I need Crawford
to lose to really sort of clear my Christmas tree

(08:44):
path toward making the playoffs in our little league.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
So that's all I had. That's all I had going
last year.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, And sure enough, Marcus Jones of the Patriots returns
a punt for a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Cool and that put.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
That that's win against what I needed to have happened.
And Bora Gallas kicks four field goals and three extra
points in the first half. I mean, him done that
ever in his life at any level, kicked that much
in one game. I mean, the two things that I
couldn't have happened, and yet they happened. And yet I
still had this shot at winning. All that had to

(09:23):
happen was the Giants had to score more points than
what they did last night, like a field goal more,
and I think he would have won. Maybe maybe they
needed a touchdown by the end.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
I know they had a chance down right at the
end of the game to score a touchdown too.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Bora Gallas was stuck at those all those points he
scored in the first half, all Crawford needed was an
extra point and then he wins. And so you have
I have to wait the entire second half to see
if the Giants score a touchdown. And this isn't This
doesn't affect my actual team at all. It just affects

(09:58):
my chances to see if the Giants score a touchdown
that gives Bucky enough or or takes enough points away
from Jackson's defense to let Bucky win. And then are
the Patriots going to score again? Because they don't need to, right,
And if the Giants can hold onto the football, they're
probably not going to. But I think he ends up

(10:19):
kicking a field goal from like twenty four yards with
like a minute to go in a meaningless game at
that point, and I and you have to wait as
a fantasy football fan that entire game to get.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
The result that you're waiting for.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
It is. It's kind of a beautiful thing, It really
is that something like that. Could you know that you're
sitting you're why monitoring this meaningless football game because something
you do as a hobby, something that is fun for you,
you're waiting for the results, and they can be that

(10:55):
crazy that that you know, kicker from the Patriots could
have that big of an impact on any night of
my life, in my entire existence. And yet last night
Andy Bora Gallis, if that's even how you pronounce his name,
was that instrumental and my happiness or my disappointment during

(11:17):
the evening, and I'm sitting there rooting for Bucky to
win like mad, and then I will root for Bucky
to lose next week because that helps me. Yeah, it's crazy.
I mean, what a great pastime that we came up with.
However many years ago. It's so much fun. It's why
my brother, who's seven years older than I am, has

(11:37):
hated it his entire life until three years ago he
played it for the first time and now he's addicted.
Oh my god, it's stuff like that It's just it
was such a great little addition to our football fandom
to begin with.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
But man, I mean it. I know everybody's got their.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Crazy stories, and frankly, no one wants to hear other
people's crazy stories. But I just thought, here on a Tuesday,
I mean, that was just yeah, I think just a
slice of modern day sports fan right there is watching
to see if Andy Bora Gallis the entire second half
will score another point as the kicker for the New

(12:16):
England Patriots.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
How on earth did that keep me captivated? On a
Monday night when Bucky's family put up It's Christmas. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I had it on and I had it muted because
we had Christmas music playing and you know, decorating the tree,
and you know, I would glance over every once in
a while. Sure enough, glanced over. Right when I see
the guy returning that kick, I'm like, no, tackle him,

(12:39):
tackle him and he runs it in for a touchdown,
Like that's gonna hurt. And then yeah, I thought, maybe
there's a chance. The whole the whole thing of fantasy
football does add an aspect, but it's like everything else,
Like in moderation, it's good in moderation. It's like me,
I have three leagues. I wanted to get out of
one of them. But I got the old school one
that I've been doing for probably close to twenty years,

(13:02):
and then I got a new one that frankly is
a pretty easy one to win, and so it's you know,
makes six seven hundred bucks a year, no, and then
I got the kjar one. And yet with three fantasy
football teams, you're inevitably it there's something about it. It's like, no,
that's too much because every single week I have somebody
on my team that I want to score obviously and

(13:25):
get in one of the other leagues I'm playing against him. Yeah,
So then you're in this like Okay, how much am
I out by? Do I want? Okay? Just And it
starts literally in the just the you know, the afternoon
games on Sunday. You're just like, okay, I'm already up
by forty. But so I don't really care if Ceedee
Lamb goes off right now because I'm playing against him
in the other two leagues. And then it's just like, man, yeah,

(13:47):
I gotta get it back to being simple. But yeah,
last night was a doozy and against Jackson too. Nobody
wants to lose.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
It against Jackson because Jackson's.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Defense gets a touchdown. Although I mean ultimate, I probably
shouldn't have been in the position I was in because
the only reason I was leading was because the Broncos
went in overtime and RJ. Harvey runs in a touchdown. Yeah,
so it's you had quite the battle.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I mean, in terms of fantasy football, it would have
probably gotten a television rating.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Well, I think you guys like the two highest scorers too.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, Else that's a bummer, as Ashley clinched her spot
in the playoffs last night.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Yeah, but yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
It's it's just such a fun pastime and and aggravating,
and I don't know why we take it so seriously,
and I don't know why it captivated me for an evening.
But I'm telling you, when you're sitting there and you're like,
I didn't even watch the game, I'm just like, every
once in a while when Landman went to commercial, you're
watching land Man last night, then I would go check
to see what happened, and you're like, oh, okay, five

(14:50):
more minutes of Pat Borer.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Gallas hasn't kicked an extra point or a field goal.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
I still got a chance for Crawford to lose before
this is over with. I mean it was for the
that to even occur in our lives. And I think
that we're pretty mature people. Yeah, I mean it's insane,
not just insane.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
It is and it's and it seems like every year too,
not even just fantasy football. There's new ways to invent
you to you know, for you to be involved in
another kind of league of some sort of other thing
that's a spin off of fantasy football, Like I tell
you guys about this Confidence League, right, Yeah, So every
week I'm invested in that and I'm sitting there living
and dying with you know, who's who's gonna win or

(15:29):
who's gonna lose? And how many points did I give
them over? I mean teams I just really don't care about.
But between that and fantasy football, yeah, it's a lot,
and it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
I don't know how you real gamblers, you that like
risk money you can't afford to lose, you know, on
football games.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
How you could even deal with that?

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, I mean, how could you deal with whether or
not Andy boorragallis kicks another extra point or not. I
could not in the second half of a Monday night
football game. And it's the difference between whether or not
your kids eat that week. I mean, I don't even
know how how you I'm exaggerating. I probably shouldn't exaggerate
to that degree. But you know, if it, if it
impacted you at all your finances, I don't know how

(16:09):
you could even do that.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
I don't either. I mean, ultimately in fantasy, so going
against the Patriots defense, every point counts. And yet yesterday
the kicker for the Giants just decides to kick the
ground in that way.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Oh my gosh, yes, what And afterwards, did you say.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
If I had thousands of dollars on that versus just
losing to Jackson? Yes, I don't know which is worse. Yeah,
probably thousands of dollars, imagine both. Yeah, and they wonder
why if you didn't stub your toe right? Yeah, I
don't understanding what he did there.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Did you see after the game though, he said, yeah,
that's actually happened to me before. It was Also, you
have the yips or I guess he thought the ball
was like moving sideways or something, and so that it
was he wasn't going to be able to kick it.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Well, give her a shot, because it definitely doesn't go
in if you stop your foot before the give her
a shot, he stubbed his toe.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, well, crazy, crazy, I don't know. I love it, Yeah,
I mean it's God love being a sports fan, That's
all I can tell you. And I think fantasy football
has made or just a little bit, maybe even a
lot better. I agree, even though sometimes there are some negative,
dark things to it, and I think they're ridiculous. I mean,

(17:24):
I'm not going to sit there and send Andy boor
a Gallas like a you know what, my severed finger
in the mail with a yeah, you know, with a
ransom note.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
I'll pick your dog and I'll get that serious. You
got a problem, that's right.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
But anyway, I thought we'd start with that today. We
got a lot of other things to cover today, a
little more serious. Let's find out what's on tap?

Speaker 2 (17:47):
What's on tap?

Speaker 4 (17:50):
What's on tap?

Speaker 3 (17:51):
All right? New England Patriots thirty three ten fifteen winners
excuse me over the New York Giants last night.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
That's important.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Thirty three fifteen winners over the New York Giants once again.
Jackson dart putting himself in harm's way last night, not
getting out of bounds, getting crushed out of the sidelines.
It was the highlight you know, reel of the game
last night, and.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
He doubles down afterwards.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
You better get a head coach in there fast if
the interim head coach can't get his arms around this.
I mean, you have a first round draft pick invested
in a guy who was a lot better than I
thought he was gonna be.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
He's actually really good, and yet this.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Guy thinks that there's some extra thing that he gets
at the end of the day if he proves he's
the toughest person on the field.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
I mean, I like the passion.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
I can appreciate the passion, but dude, you can't play
this position dumb. He's had four he's been in a
concussion protocol. I think last night was the fifth time
this year, so he played in like eight games. I mean,
you've got to play smarter as a quarterback than that.
I mean, I don't remember many times where Tom Brady
was on the highlight reel for getting lit up on
the sidelines because he just had to get that extra yard.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
I guess it's admirable in some world.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
But you're not doing your teammates and your career and
your coaching staff any favors by doing that.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Well, he needs to grow up, and I think that
he will, even though he doubled down yesterday and said
that's just the way I play. Go back and look
at the tape. You know that's not a stay I play. Yeah,
I do like that. You're right, it isn't. And I mean,
to me, there's a fine line there between how you
have to play the game depending on who you are.
I mean, tom Brady knew he wasn't going to get

(19:32):
that extra half yard. He'll just turn more sideways and
make sure that he's out of bounds. Now. Tom Brady
also ended up taking over and turning himself into a
Hall of Famer after he watched Drew Bledsoe, who made
one poor mistake and didn't get out of bounds and
had a punctured lung because of it. And so I
think that you end up kind of machurn a little bit.
You try. You need to try to avoid some of

(19:53):
the stuff that you can, because there's some hits that
you just flat out don't get to avoid. And so
I think that hopefully it comes with a little bit
of maturity hopefully, you know, maybe his mom talks to
him like, heye, Jackson, I want you to play the
way you need to play, but stand and control.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
It's got to be a coach. I mean, somebody's got
to like if you do that again, I'm taking you
out right.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
I mean, we've got it.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
We're just hurting the team.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
We really would like to have you for.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
The next ten to fifteen years. We think we really
like you, and you just can't play the game this way.
I mean it'd be different. I mean Brett Farv got
beat up all the time, but Brett.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Farv was made of a different fabric.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Russell Wilson has made it a different I saw that
guy just get crushed and it didn't even face this up. Obviously,
Jackson Dart is not that person. He's already had five
concussions in his first year. Yeah, I mean, what on
earth are we so having an interim ed coach that's
obviously not telling him how important it is that he
I would just bench him for the rest of the year.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, I mean they don't have anything to play for.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
No.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, that hit was scary.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, Sea Hawks get ready for the Falcons. It's the
last game that should be easy. Never is, but it
should be easy. Then gets a bit nasty for the Hawks.
After that, Colts rams Panthers forty nine ers to close
out the season. We still have more than a month
to go college football playoff rankings. We just have a
weekend to go before that. The conference championships are this Saturday,

(21:15):
selection Sunday. But tonight we'll get our penultimate to college
football playoff rankings before the official list comes out on Sunday.
It's a great day to have Rick new Eisl on
the show. We'll talk to him at nine o'clock. Kracking
will be taking on Edmonton Thursday. We've got tickets to
an upcoming cracket game. It is Cracking Ticket Tuesday, so

(21:36):
be listening for that piece of audio every single hour
that will prompt you to be the tenth caller at
two six two eight six ninety five ninety five to
get a pair of tickets for an upcoming Cracking game.
Plus Everett Fitz who's going to join us at eight
thirty as well. And we are five days away from
the Major League Baseball Winner meetings. We've already had some
fascinating moves that have been made this offseason. Another one

(21:57):
last night, the New York Mets signed away Devin william
the Yankees closer and did not close the door on
re signing Edwin Diaz as well. So Devin Williams is
now a Met. But coming up next that's the topic
we couldn't get to yesterday because of Monday Morning Quarterback,
and so we will discuss it today, The Lane Kiffin
saga on Chuckin'box Sports.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yes, we got Greg Bell coming up at seven oh five,
Gene Steratur at eight, Everard fits You at eight thirty,
Rick new Iol at nine o'clock, all sorts of guests,
plus we got a few things that we got to
break down with the old judge, and we're also going
to introduce holiday analytics later on in.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
The program as well.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yesterday's show dominated by Seahawks conversation with our experts, Greg
Hugh and Coach, but perhaps the mediast conversation that was
occurring in the sports world was about Lane Kiffin and
whether or not Lane Kiffin did his did ole miss
a disservice and did not handle things the right way

(23:01):
and leaving Ole Miss to go to LSU. I'm never
gonna begrudge somebody for taking a better position, but I
do think Bucky there is a right way and a.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Wrong way to do things.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
And to me, I mean, Lane Kiffin just has always
been sort of a petulant child. That's how he's always
come across to me. He's always been the guy that
his dad was the coach and so he had access
to the field and he'd go the next day and
brag about all all the kids at the school about how,
you know, yeah, you got a football for Christmas, I

(23:33):
got a football song by Doug.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Williams or whoever.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
That's who we always and I don't think he's ever
kind of changed being that person. It's had a lot
of opportunities and a lot of great programs to show
that he can handle maturity, the maturity of you know,
running the USC program, running the Tennessee Those are fantastic
football programs, I need to tell you. And he crashed
and burned and ended up being vilified in both of

(23:59):
those situations before he got to Old Miss, where he
was actually loved and embraced and everybody wanted to keep him.
And it looked like he had grown, and I think
that he has in a lot of areas, And yet
this reminds me of that same Lane Kiffin petulant child
aspect of it. If you want to take a better job,

(24:20):
one that you think is going to bring you more
life enrichment, even though it's not more money, more life enrichment, Okay,
you can do that, but do you have to burn
everything down behind you if you don't get your way?
And I mean your entire way. That entire Dog and
Pony show about I need to meet with this group,

(24:41):
and they need to meet with that group was all
about him trying to get the LSU job and getting
to finish what he started at ole Miss and being
able to coach in the playoff. It was all about
his own personal glory. And if it wasn't, then why
did he put in his contract at LSU. If ole
Miss wins a national championship, I get a bonus. And

(25:03):
it's because ole Miss won't recognize him as the guy
that led them to the national championship if in fact
they win it with an interim head coach, just like
Michigan acknowledges Steve Fisher as the guy that led them
to the national championship in college basketball years ago when
he was in the same situation. So he wants on
paper it to be acknowledged that he was the head

(25:26):
coach of a team that may have won, may go
on to win the national championship. To me, it just
comes off really small, very petulant. I think he's still
as one of the most immature guys at one of
the highest levels in college football out there, and there
was just a better way.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
To do this, without a doubt, a better way to
do it. And I mean, it's there's a complicated thing
going on right with just how the whole kind of
unruly aspect of people being able to move and switch teams, coaches,
players alike. And yet I wish there was a way
that it was wrangled in better, but there isn't at

(26:01):
this point in time. And yet, when it comes to coaches,
you're the one that needs to set the standard of
how where loyalty is going to be. If if there's
gonna be any loyalty, you're going to be the ones
that are gonna set the standard for that. And yet
we don't see a whole heck of a lot of them.
I mean, the Stagnetti or what Signetti at Indiana. He

(26:22):
seems like he's the type that's like, no, this is
my spot, this is where I'm meant to be. And
I have a feeling that he's going to get some
folks that want to come to Indiana and they're gonna
want to stay there for as long as they can
until they can possibly move on. There's just a I mean,
there's just naturally in the world. I mean, I'm with you.
I'm not gonna ever begrudge anybody for going out and

(26:44):
finding something, or if they have the opportunity to do
something bigger or better, or they just feel like it
enriches their life better. If I like my job, I
like working with you guys. If somebody offered me way
more money to do something that I didn't have to
wake up at four o'clock in the morning for, I
would probably I would probably look into it. I most
certainly would look into it. But I wouldn't just text

(27:05):
you guys one day and say sorry, folks come out
and leave you hanging right. There's a proper way to
do it. I'd say, hey, I got this opportunity rich
and this is what I'm thinking about doing and so
here it is, and I would probably give them an
opportunity to say, hey, we'd like to match that right
and stick around. So there's a way to do it.
There's most certainly a wrong way to do it, and

(27:26):
that's the way that Lang Kiffin has done it. It
seems like his whole career because I think that he
does do that. When I first took this job, I
was coaching kids in baseball. Not This is a way
different comparison because we're talking about I was coaching seventeen
eighteen year old boys, and I wasn't going to coach
a different team of seventeen eighteen year old boys. I
came to take this job, but one for one year

(27:48):
or about for one season. When I took this job,
I didn't quit on the team of young men that
I was coaching. I was coaching until nine ten eleven
o'clock at night and hadn't watched any sports and got
to go home and do my homework for this show
until one or two o'clock in the morning. For about
six eight months, I did this show on like two

(28:09):
hours of sleep. But it was because I couldn't There's
no way I could look into the eyes of the
kids that I made a commitment to that I asked
them to make a commitment to me and say, sorry, folks,
this is the direction that I want to go. This
is a better opportunity for me and my family. You
get screwed because of it, and I just couldn't do it.
And yet that's exactly what he did. And if if

(28:29):
LSU wasn't about letting him, you know, see through to
the finish line what he had committed to for this
season at least, then why are you wanting to go there?
And why do you want a guy that's okay with
leaving his team in the lurch like that? To me,
it's and he's so many wrongs. He would argue that, hey,
I wanted to coach them the rest of the way.
But just to take your analogy further, if you did

(28:50):
take say another radio job or something in our the
family of radio, when you were under contract here, there's
no way that anyone's going to let you go to
a rival and while you're still here, right and you're trying,
and all of your focus is on the making the

(29:13):
other program better than the one that he's currently at, right,
I mean, that's insane for the people that are.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, well, and you know a lot of people have
been saying, well, if you want to blame someone, blame
the college calendar. Well, the college calendar is absolutely screwed up.
It is beyond ridiculous. The fact that signing day is tomorrow,
and part of the reason that Lane had to leave
now is so that he could start recruiting there.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
It like all of that is is really screwed up.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
But it's more about the fact that the way he yeah,
the way he did it, the way he was like, well,
but this is what I want, and if I'm not
going to get it, then I'm going to take all
of my assistant coaches with me, and assistant coaches, if
you don't get on the plane with me, then you
don't have a job later. As opposed to saying, you
know what, if I'm really respectful of this program that
I spent six years trying to improve, and I'm really

(30:03):
respectful of these kids that I've spent all this time
coaching and that have given me all that time, I'd say,
you know what, I'm gonna go when the season's over,
I'm gonna talk to the assistant coaches and we're gonna
figure it.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Out one thousand percent wrong? What's so hard about that?

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Nothing?

Speaker 3 (30:16):
And instead, you're not gonna let me coach old mistress
because I'm going to LSU.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Who you hate.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Well, then I'm gonna rally up all the coaches and
you're not gonna have anybody coach these kids, and you're
gonna be embarrassed. Why would you want to embarrass the
kids when you've been saying the whole time it's about
these kids. Yeah, I just can't stomach hypocrisy. No, I
just can't stomach hypocrisy. And you know, you threw out
something yesterday about you know, you can't throw stones because

(30:46):
if if you've been in that position before, you know,
maybe you would take the job. Well, I can throw
stones because I've been in that position before. I have
been offered more money and to take a better job
with a better company, but it was gonna leave so
much damage to the people that I cared about that
I didn't take it, and I lost it, and they

(31:07):
wouldn't wait for me, and so I lost it. So
I'm not saying what I did was right, because it
really didn't turn out well for me. Maybe, so maybe
what I did was wrong. Maybe it was stupid. But
if the if the criteria is you can't criticize Lane Criff,
Lane Kiffin unless you yourself have passed up more money
to do the right noble thing.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Welly qualify for that. I can tell you that much
right now.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
So I'm gonna throw my stones because my house has
not made of glass on this particular topic.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah. And also, that's not why people are throwing stones.
It's about all the other crap that he did. You know,
nobody's saying like, well, how dare you take that job?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
No one's saying that.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
It's about the way you did it. Yeah, And I
think we could all sit there and say none of
us would do it the way he did it, So
we should all be able to throw stones at him.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
If there is so.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
If this is, if this is a line that can
be crossed now that you I joked with coach when
you left the Packers, did you leave it with playoff
games still on the board?

Speaker 4 (32:06):
And I don't think they qualified for the playoffs if
I remember his last year with Green Bay. But that's
what he did. We'd never see that in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Even Bill Parcells coached all the way to the Super
Bowl when everybody knows that he was leaving afterwards, and
it ended up being a distraction I think to the team.
But he coached it all the way through. So if
because of the calendar and it is supposed to change
in the future, that that just frees you of any
responsibility to what you currently have at your fingertips at

(32:37):
your current job, then where is the one do?

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Is there not a line anymore?

Speaker 3 (32:41):
We'll discuss that next Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Yeah,
we were talking about Lane Kivin. There's a lot more
to this story. As a matter of fact, I know
a lot of people are like, well, it's the calendar,
it's the calendar, it's the count. Yes, the calendar is
screwed up. Ashley made that point, the football calendar. I
think they are correcting it for the future. Yes, that
you shouldn't have before the playoff any kind of signing

(33:04):
period for goodness sake, because anybody that is taking a
new job probably wants to be able to focus either
on their team or on the recruiting for the new position.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
So I certainly get that.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
But right now, Bob Chesney's leading James Madison for UCLA,
and because the situation is different. It's James Madison all
the way up to UCLA. They're letting him coach out
the playoff because not a rival, and it's all obviously
a much better opportunity for Bob Chesney. So James Madison's

(33:37):
not gonna let that get in the way, nor are
they going to bring any risk or harm to their
opportunity to get into the playoffs. It might be the
only time they ever do it. So different situation. Like
if if Lane Kifvin had a dollar an a LSU
was giving him one hundred, then yeah, I think everybody
would say, well, you got you gotta do what you
gotta do, and they might even let him coach it.

(33:58):
But Lane Kivin has one hundred dollars and LSU is
giving him one hundred dollars. He's just choosing another place,
you know that has maybe a better opportunity to win.
Kalani Sataki from BYU apparently the center of the Penn
State head coaching search right now, center of the Penn
State head coaching search right now.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
You know what that says to me?

Speaker 3 (34:21):
The jobs is and Penn State's gonna wait until BYU
season's over.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Wow, what's that like?

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Well, what's that like?

Speaker 3 (34:29):
I mean, I get that the calendar works against this
process right now, but there are a million ways that
Lane Kiffin couldn't have could have done this better. And
I just cannot celebrate anything where you go with a
group of young men and you're their coach, and you
lure them to your college and you make all these
promises and everything else, and then you abandon them for

(34:49):
an extra dollar at the moment of the season where
they have the chance to pull off something that was
their dream, was your dream with them? I mean, is
the line Bucky? I mean, if at halftime of the
National championship game, somebody comes into the locker room and says,
I'll give you you know, Elon Musk comes into halftime

(35:11):
of the National Championship game tells Kirby Smart, I'll give
you a billion dollars to stop coaching right now.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Yeah, I mean, or not even that billion.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Might you might do it, Yeah, but I'll give you
an extra million than what you're making right now to
leave right now in the middle of this game.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Guys, I have no choice. It's a million dollars, right
I gotta go.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Good luck in the second half I do love you,
even though you'll probably never believe that again.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
It's crazy how you just used that and yet that
we're not that far away from that's the next step. Yeah,
And that's ridiculous if you think about it, because it's
just how shady that whole situation could be, would be,
should be. It just plain and simple. There's ripple effects
to the whole thing because the signing period, like Ashley said,
is right around the corner. Then if you're gonna take

(35:58):
another job, then the other job wants you to start
doing your job as soon as possible, regardless of whether
or not it's with you know, detrimental to another team,
especially if it's detrimental to another team that plays in
the same sandbox. And yet you want to keep coaching
because yeah, I want to, you know, that's a noble
thing to do. I'm gonna I'm gonna see this thing
to the finish line. No, seeon at the finish line

(36:19):
is you tell Lsu I'm gonna take the job, but
you gotta wait. I have to see this to the
I can't quit right now now. That is still unfortunate
for ole miss because if he runs this thing through
and they go win a NASS championship. He when he leaves,
he's going to have built even more rapport with those kids,
and a lot of them are gonna jump ship and
go to LSU with him.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
But I think they'll accomplished and like, yeah, it was
awesome coach, good luck? Not really yeah, now good luck.
I guess Yeah, it's good knowing you.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Yeah. I don't think there's many kids in that program,
young men in that program that are feeling real good
about whatever it was that he came in and said
in the meeting that he's leaving.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Well, can uys tell us two weeks ago how we
needed to beat this all? This the ass of this team?

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Well And here's part of the problem too, right, is
the way LSU has already set themselves up. You fire
Brian Kelly, and so now you've got your interim head
coach this year, and then you've got all these people
that Brian Kelly had recruited or somebody had recruited, who
are now waiting to find out who your next coach is.
So they're not going to commit until they know who
is coaching. Again, more of a calendar issue, right, because

(37:28):
it shouldn't be happening right now here in the middle
of the season as teams are vying for a championship.
But they' This is the ongoing thing with college football
is they just can't figure out to set themselves up
for success.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
It's like, well, let's let this whole thing go off
the rails first, then we'll just reel it back in.
That's the better way to do it. It's not the
better way to do it.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Well, we are.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Certainly in this awkward phase of going from childhood into
adolescents into adult them. Yeah, hopefully with college sports, but
we are still in that awkward face. Things have happened
that have surprised us all that we didn't see coming.
And yet I do believe that there are people who
should be more responsible to respect boundaries, even if they

(38:12):
are at the current moment a little smear, Yeah, absolutely,
And to me, an adult would do that, And I
just don't think Lane Kiffen qualifies for that. All right,
coming up next Your Headlines plus Greg Bell on Sports
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
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