December 2, 2025 • 36 mins
GENE STERATORE (CBS Rules Analyst) It’s time to talk turkey with Gene after it felt like he spent the whole Thanksgiving weekend with us on our TVs. What’s a touchdown and what’s a fumble these days anyway? Remember that catch by Oregon’s McClellan? Was it a catch or no? Pick plays vs pick plays. :30- EVERETT FITZHUGH (Kraken Audio Network PxP) The Kraken struggled while Chuck was out, so clearly he doesn’t need anymore vacation during hockey season. What happened to the Kraken the last three games? Is Joey Daccord back to full health and more! :45- How many NFL teams dropped the QB ball this offseason?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I felt like he was part of my Thanksgiving. Seemed
like he was calling every single game over the weekend,
and so I just sliced him up a piece of
turkey and a little bit of pumpkin pie, right yeah,
and just set it there right in front of the
television and just acted like Gina joined us.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah, Yeah, he would have appreciated that. Yeah, I don't
think he got to enjoy things. Maybe still hasn't.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Oh man, are you kidding me? The catering they do
over there at CBS Sports. He had one of the
greatest tech turkey meals he's ever had in his starres wife.
He just didn't have his family around. What a wonderful
Thanksgiving is Jean's territorius with us right here on Chucking Bark.
Good chat with you. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Anyway, good morning fellaws Chucky. We missed you last week.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
And Bucky, I did get home yesterday and my lovely
wife did leave two real thin slices of white meat
in the back corner of the fridge, and I asked
her to save that extra half gallon of gravy as
you suggested last week, and I dumped it on and
we had a really great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Bucky good, I'm so glad to hear it.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
By the way, my wife made her best gravy to date. Oh, like,
you need to just make a gallon of it, like
you just said, Gino, you said, I need a gallon
of that on reserve, just in the back of the fridge.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Keep it in.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, it'll just be like lard. I'll just throw it
in the microwave when I need it.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Sure, you can't bring that into the stadium.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's gravy. No more than four ounces, though. You can't
bring more than four ounces. And we'll get through security
all right.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You know, I would love to get flagged by TSA
for trying to sneak great an airplay.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah, it's not really liquid anymore, sir, Try to pour
it out.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
There's nothing in there.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
It is explosive. All right, well, let's talk some football,
you know what. The one I want to start with
is from the college game, because I was thinking was
such an interesting play and still we're days after this
Jeremiah Smith touchdown. It's kind of unlike any play that
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I think I've seen before where he seemed to be
bobbling the touchdown as he went into the end zone
and we weren't sure if he got control of it
before he stepped out of the end zone over on
the side. I mean, it was such a bang bang play.
It looks like such an obvious touchdown, Gene, and then
you slow it down and you're like, man, maybe that
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is a fumble out the side of the end zone.
I've heard people say, now, that's ridiculous. I've heard people say, absolutely,
that's a fumble. Where does the greatest football ref re
of all time weigh in on this.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
That's a big thing. That's a big thie chuck.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
You put a lot of heat on the here, But
I think I think it falls in that category. And
I know we've even spoken about this in previous meetings
together where we start slowing this down to the place
where what we think is our state you know, one
of the things we say is a hundred guys and
hundred guys and guys in the bar look at this
and go, look it's a touchdown. And now you slow
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it down and you go, wait a minute, he doesn't
really have control of it. Where does that piece one
one end and the other begin. Uh. We've all decided
to bring replay into our games in certain capacities and
allow them to slow it down as slow as they
would like to make these decisions. But even with all
that said, there's this element of subjectivity which kind of
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lands on that replay offfecial or the collaboration making the
final decision and the rest of us. Right, I think
I think that play coupled with the great catch that
MCA elevade and the you dub Oregon game kind of
both of those, although different types of plays, they really
to me fall in that same category. Right, Like, you know,
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I think if you look at it replay and really
really slow it down. In the Ohio State game, it
appears that he's lost possession right before he crosses the
goal line. Now if he has that possession just and
the ball breaks the plane and then bobbles it in
that step where the next two camera frames. We know
that if he had possession and it broke the plane,
he was a runner, it's a touchdown. But if he
did lose that possession, you basically have a fumble within
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his own body. You know, he's the one who did
it all, and he doesn't regather it before that foot
touches out of bounds. So there's the there's forever going
to be these types of scenarios occur because the football
world decided to put subjective rulings into replay, and regardless
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of how slower fast we put them, we're going to
end up in these little windows of the time.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I think that allow us to have these discussions.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
But in real time, to me touchdown, I brought it
down frame by frame, right, put everything in there. Hey,
he lost possession of this thing. Let's go back and
frame by frame it. So as much as I would
really love to give you the definitive, I think, by
the rules of replay and the way that we have
now become accustomed to it, you've got to stay it
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for fumble.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Wow. Cool, But in the real world.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
And watching that, I know, you know, if you go
back and circle back fifteen years before this happens, I don't.
I think it's a blip in the screen, or we
may not even really readdress it. Right, we just move on.
We've now brought our game to this place, which is
job security. I have to say selfishly at this point
in life, you know, let's keep it going for a
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couple more years and then you guys can do what
you want with it later.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Perfect.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Well, I mean, just a little add on to that
then if that was I mean, when you slow it
down in real time, you're like, it looks like you
lost possession. Do you like the rule or maybe you
can explain why you think the rule of if that
was the case, had they ruled any way, touch back
other team's ball go in the other direction versus all right, fumbled,
you got back possession.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Here is the ball on the one. Do you like
the rule? And why is that rule the way that
it is?
Speaker 5 (06:18):
You know, Bucky, you know, we've always kind of lived
by the philosophy that the end zone is sacred aground
and it kind of does have its little asterisks in
the other rulings that apply in the field. The implementation
of that, I believe, going back or way before my time,
I think as well, was maybe too avoid just reckless.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Abandonment as you dot or the end zone, you know.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
And understanding that if it pops out, we're still going
to get the ball back at the.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Half yard line.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
And there are other plays that also have the end
zone involved, which create other dynamics. And if this one
repeats itself over and over and we inevitably have that discussion,
like it seems too punitive because if that ball goes
out at the half yard line, we're just coming back
to the spot of the fumble and it's the second,
third or fourth and goal. But the end zone is
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always been considered kind of that sacred space where you've
got to take care of everything at once that football
gets into that area of the field.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
There are some different.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Rules applied, So I really kind of my personal feeling,
I don't mind it personally, but I do realize, you know,
the pushback, because it just doesn't seem equitable in certain instances,
and sometimes these are those instances, you know. But and
in the replay situation, I've been an adamant. I've stood
very strongly with my feelings with replay when I was
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on the field actively doing it, and now in this
position is I wish that we would only say, maybe
turn this dial back like twenty percent slower than real time,
in no less than that, because at twenty percent or
eighty percent real full speed official that are screwed in
or really seeing the game at about eighty percent, just
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like players, the game slows down to that window. And
I think if we made our replay decisions in that
same window of slowness without going into the frame by
frame magic trick, if it's loose in mid air, I
think that there would be more balance. I think there
would be more consistency, and quite frankly, I think then
you could see replay decisions made on the field that
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officials then could see the next day when they look
and say, you know, I missed that. Look how they
ruled on that at twenty percent slower than real time.
I need to be able to get that right in
real time too, these frame by frames. As an official
in the human condition, you're ruling on these bank bank plays,
and your feel is, look, I got this right, and
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then we come back and go, oh, one camera frame
before that happened, this happened, and you're wrong. That puts
a bug in your brain when you're on that field,
you know, as you continue through your profession, and so
I really wish that we would all collectively come back
and say, let's find that sweet spot where we're just
slowing the game down to this level and we're making
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all decisions at that level too. I think, then you know,
you could blend, you could blend training. It would become
more of a training tool than this other element.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We see.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
How many times have we seen forward passes go forward
and the ball just lays there because everybody's scared to
death to blow the whistle now, right, or any fumble
that happens near the player going down. Everything's just we
let it go now because replay I'll fix it. To me,
from that purity of what I did for my life's
work and the sports, that hurts me because it diminishes,
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it doesn't allow great officials to be great. It's pulling
everybody back towards being mediocre in some ways. And that's
just my feel on it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
CBS Rules analyst Jean Stare at Dora joins us every
week here on Checking Buck in the Morning to talk
about some of the interesting calls over the weekend, and
you brought up the name Jeremiah McClellan, So I ought
to get your thoughts on this. I mean, to me,
it just looked like a really fancy failure by a
guy in silly clothes. And yes, and yet maybe you
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was an official unbiased may have had a different view
of it. Did they get that right? Calling it incomplete?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That listen, I said it on air. I'm still standing
with it.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I was different from the ruling on the field at
the end of the replay. I thought it was an
unbelievable play where a player secured with strength and if
you look, two or three of his fingers rushed or
even curled on the on the ball put into his helmet. Yes,
when he hit the ground, the ball moved a little
with his hands. Okay, that's that's what happens when people
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land with football's. It doesn't move out of his control.
But it didn't move, but his hands stayed firmly on
that And and again that's I felt like, this is
just an unbelievable catch rate play that we looked and
like it just just it doesn't look like you can
be able to possibly and physically do that.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I think he did right, and uh, and again I
think that's that's that space that we all live in there.
But I thought, and again maybe some of this is
me just get a little romantic and old with it.
I think there has to be some artistic you know,
like in gymnastics you stick to landing and then they say,
you know, the Italian judge goes eight point five on
artistic impression, right, or something to that effect. When you
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make a play like that, I think, don't you get
a little extra window of Hey, I know it moves
a little bit, but my gosh, you know, you pulled
it off. We're giving it to you. You know, maybe
we should vote on that sometimes. But I really thought
it was possibly catch.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
What do you think, Bucky?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Definitely, you know, I mean it was basically I'm going
to give it to you. That was definitely a catch,
just like if he should price sock. Definitely was not
PI on a very dimidle gameplay in the game, Jane
and I speak, that would out by us on this
one breach check. That was a terrible call.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Jane I thick Athleyvens said, preach Chuck in the background
this if you guys need me to get out there
and referee the remainder of the show. It might take
me two or three hours to get there, but I'd
be more than.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Willing to it.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Sounds like we have a little biased opinions in some
of these, but I thought preduct did a great job
of closing on the receiver and without turning his back
and looking back toward the football and almost timed it perfectly.
I do think though, that right before that ball got
to that mesh point, and I don't know that he
needed to do it. I think his arms went more
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toward the receiver and as opposed to going vertical, I
think if he puts his arms straight up and stretches
straight up in the air as he's closing there, the
contact becomes just a little closer to what we call
in the officiating world to bang bang and not bang
breath bang, And I think that was where that piece
kind of went there. Anytime a defensive player is chasing
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chase mode into a receiver and doesn't get his head
turned back around so that we as officials can give
him some love that yeah contact, anybody's playing the ball.
If you don't get that head around, now that your
window of what I can allow you to do gets shrunken.
We have to now be a little more technical because
now you are just trying to time this through that
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player without regard to playing the football.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
So we get a little more.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Technical on those plays, and the bang bang play doesn't
get as much love as if you're turning back and
I can put you in the window of contact while
you're playing the ball field.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
So both play.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I hate to be over two with your the sporting Tucky,
but either Gravy was really good with.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
You on both of them.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Bud, Yeah, maybe they should stop trying to cheat, Jean,
maybe price auction, stop trying to rules.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I didn't know Jean's territory love ticky tack football calling. Okay,
I got it, understand that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't think that's true.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Don't listen to him, Jane. I mean when you're right,
you're right, we're just gonna cry about it.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Apparently a nursing home with football these days.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I don't I don't agree with that. I'll go ahead
and move on. It can just be you and I
like last week, Jane, if you'd like, we can go
ahead and meet these two.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I do have I have one that I want a
little bit of an explanation the whole pick play thing.
Chuck and I were talking after the show yesterday, and
you know, is there a an amount of room that
you have within the line of scrimmage where that's completely legit,
because it does feel like in the Bronco game, there
was a.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Couple of plays.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
One was the fourth down in overtime to to keep
the game alive, and they ran a pick play, so
it's like they obviously like the idea. If it doesn't
get called, there's a good way chance the guy's going
to be open. And then in the final play that
was a two point version that got batted down, the
guy was going to be open because of another one
that that one seems far more legit where the guy
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got caught up in traffic trying to go across the line.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
But those immediate pick plays.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Seem like they work every single time, and sometimes there's
a flag and sometimes there isn't.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yeah, multiple levels, there's a block and white issue here
if you are legally, as an offensive player allowed to
block within one yard of where the ball was snap
going forward downfield, so that little window, and that's why
you'll see a lot of times if teams have a
penalty after a touchdown and can move the football from
the two to the one. They'll go for two that
because there's now they can block from the one to
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the goal line legally and kind of set that screen
or what looks like a screenplay in college and still
legally be blocking while player goes right behind him right
it's the goal line, and that would be legal. So
there is a block and white line as it relates
to what's legal with offensive passing experience, and it is
making contact within that yard. Now, once we get beyond
that yard, a lot of different elements start to take place.
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There's a lot of things here in that fourth down play,
the defensive player. We're beyond the yard, so we're not in.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
The black and white portion now. But now when that.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Receiver comes off of the line, after he's gone more
than the yard, if that defensive player initiates engagement, he's
coming into him and putting hands out toward him. Now
you're what you're allowed to kind of do as an
offensive player. Now I can either fight to get you off,
I can snuggle and kind of ride you away from
the play. You've given me more window to kind of
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legally pick you because you came into me and initiated
that rubber that snuggle contact. So now my ability to
kind of cheat you a little bit is enhanced in
those scenarios. When we're running the other traditional pick plays,
a lot of times you'll see offensive pass interferences called,
and it's this.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Bang bang situation.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
With a defensive player out in space and a receiver
at the top of his route or something.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Those plays.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
When we have those, you've got to kind of harke
and yourself move to a different sport and look at
a block charge playing basketball, if the defensive player is
stationary and has established his position on the field and
the offensive player now was coming toward him, the offense
is responsibilities.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
He has to avoid him.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
He cannot run into a defensive player in the established
position that he has gained prior to contact, so it
would be a charge, right, So if it's a charge,
it's an offensive pass interference. If it becomes a blocking
filewer now right before that meshing or that point of contact,
the defensive player slides into the offensive player or is
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outside of his frame of where he established. Now the
onus becomes an onus on the defensive player. So there's
multiple layers with offensive pass interference as it.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Relates to beyond that yard line. But within the yard all.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Things really are, you know, we can go do what
we need to do there. So there's a ton of
those elements within those within those plays, and I don't
disagree with you.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
First one, I felt like the defensive player of the
fourth unplayer, the defensive.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Prayer reached and began engagement.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
He kind of opened his window up to allow that
little extra rough bump.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
The last one, there is a lot of there's.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
A lot of congestion there right which which convolutes a
little And then at the time of that happened, as
we said, he said they bated the football down, So
it became a little bit of a non issue in
that regard.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
But there's definitely a lot.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Of tentacles on that play, a lot of things to digest.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Well in our last minute, and I really am up
against it. But I think you can answer this one
pretty quickly. Did we have a case on the marioda
intentional grounding where he threw it over the receiver's head,
I mean clearly over the receiver's head. And yet we've
watched that play a thousand times in our lives, and
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it doesn't get called intentional grounding. It did on Sunday night,
and it seemed that the reaction was that the official
just didn't know the rule. I mean, is that what happened.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
It's not in the rule of black and white. But
Terry mccaullay did a really good job. He's been a
great official with three Super Bowls in his resume, the
analyst for NBC. By our philosophies, when a receiver is
between the numbers and the sidelines, that third we call
of the field and a football would go over the
head of that receiver. Philosophically, officials don't throw intentional.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Grounding there, even though we know the.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Balls fifteen feet in the air and his verdict will
only takes him to twelve and a half feet or
whatever the case may be. So it's kind of an
NFL philosophy's ruling, or that's how we've always administered that penalty.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
You look in the book, it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Say anything about thirds and all of those things. But
as you said, too, check that's the play that we've
seen many times and we look and go, look, guys,
that's not catchable. There's nothing there. But there's also no
flight for intentional grounding. So I think that's that window,
and I think he explained it well philosophically. But then,
as we all know, we look into the dictionary, we
go google it and go, dude, that's not in the
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look anywhere. What are you talking about? So that's where
that play falls. That's that's kind of the NFL in
officiating has always been more liberal with not calling intentional grounding, right,
I mean you, the receivers in the area had an
opportunity to touch the ball. All of those scenarios apply
in many cases, and we usually.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Are very liberal not to call that foul.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
This is another one of those scenarios and why he
disagreed with what the officials did on the field.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
The great gene Sterotor joins us every week here on
Chuck and Buck. This week, I don't know, maybe not
your best.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I think was the best ever.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
A little off your game, a little bit, Gene, I
don't know, do better next week. Maybe that would be
my advice.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I had.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
I'll be watching film all week, Chuck.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I swear it, I read it.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
He's sending me more plays, Schucky.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I love this.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Thank you, Jean, talk to you next week.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
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M gave Everett. I gave the Kraken to Ashley and
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Bucket last week. I'm like, you know, get him going,
and they couldn't win us a game. So hopefully me
being back this week, we'll get us back on track.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Everett. Yeah, No, you were the you're the good luck chterm.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
I think it's just really no no vacation for Chuck Powell.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Ever again, everybody in the organization's been buzzing about it.
Is that what you're telling me? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (21:38):
They were who let Chuck Powell off offline for.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Uh at Lane Lambert that Leyton Lambert just can't stop
talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I bet calls me old
g LC good luck charm.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Really yeah, good luck Chuck, Chuck, good Luck Chuck.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Well, what is the reason, Everett fits you? Why the
krack and haven't won in three games.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
You know, I listen. The only real I want to say, stinker.
We talked about this quite a bit. When you're in
the middle of a season, you're not gonna win every game.
There are going to be challenges that present themselves. And
going back to the Dallas game, I mean Lane even
said it, they played good enough, but there were just
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a few key mistakes on Thanksgiving Eve that you just
can't afford to make. And at this level, you make
those mistakes, they end up in the back of your net.
The Edmonton game, you're going up against an Oilers team
that now for the third year in a row, have
gotten off to a five hundred or slightly worse, slightly
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better start through twenty plus games. They don't seem to
have their ducks in a row, if you will, But
the last two years they've gone on to the Stanley
Cup Finals and they've won the West. So Edmonton, this
is about the time when they turn it around. So
I will say a performance from the Oilers on Saturday
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didn't surprise me, But I think the fact that the
Kraken couldn't beat one of the most you know, the
struggling goalies in this league. You know, that's obviously something
that that they weren't too happy about in that game.
You know, there the shots weren't weren't where they needed
to be, The passes were a little bit sloppy.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Coming through the neutral zone.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
It just wasn't as sharp and as crisp as I
think this team expects it to be. And and regardless
of how the oilers have started, whenever you've got McDavid
and dry Sino and Nujhn Hopkins was his first game
back after a you know, lengthy ir stend. You had
Zach Hyman back for his fifth game of the season.
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He was out for the first month of the year.
So whenever you've got a dangerous team like that, regardless
of their record, you have to know that they're gonna
come for you, and they did on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
How are we feeling about Joey d since he's been back,
Tocord with when it comes to you know, being in NETA,
we is he right back to where we want him
to be or is that something that does take a
little time to knock some rust off.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
You know, I think it does take a little bit
of time. But for Joey, I mean he is a
goalie that prides himself on his preparation. He's always ready,
he's always working. You know, you watch him after a
morning skate where he's starting that night, he goes to
the gym, gets a full post practice workout, he goes
through his mental preparation.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
He's got the VR.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Goggles on that he uses a pregame to to dial
himself in. So even when Joey you know, misses time
like we saw him earlier this year, he he doesn't
need a whole lot of time to get back. And
I think we're seeing Joey Decord still perform at a
very high level. I think where the the the issue
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lies is I think with just the team's lack of offense,
and Laye Lambert will tell you, you know, he wants the
team to shoot more. He wants there to maybe be
a little bit more of a of a selfish mentality
when it comes to trying to generate offense, and so
Joey Decourd I think is fine. I think this year
we've seen that Philip Grubauer is having a very good
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resurgent season compared to the last two, and he's playing
some of his best hockey that we've seen throughout his
tenure here in Seattle. So I don't think the goaltending
has been an issue, uh this season as opposed to
just trying to generate more.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Offense, and a lot of your offense, let's face it,
in the NHL comes on that man advantage. And here
you go oh for five against Dallas on the power play,
and oh for two in getting shut out by Edmonton
you obvious didn't succeed in it, and a one nothing
shut out of the Islanders. How close does Lane feel
that they are to rearranging the decks on the on
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the you know, the chairs on the deck, to try
to get the right combination of guys so you can
improve that power play. You got to be successful in
that area.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Yeah, it's it's not it's it's been an area of opportunity.
We'll say that over the last handful of games. You
go oh for six against the Oilers, you go oh
for five against against Dallas, and I think the cracking
a oh for their last thirteen or fourteen overall, going
back a few games on the power.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Play, Yeah, it's not. That's not great, boy, not great.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
And listen again, it all just comes from that shooting first,
mentality and lane will tell you the looks that the
Kraken a getting on the power play, they're not bad looks,
but I think there is still too much waiting for
the perfect pass, waiting for the perfect lane. And you
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go back to a lot of goals that have been
scored this season, and particularly from the fourth line, who
has done a really good job of shipping in offense
this year. Pucks are going off of skates, they're going
off of legs, and there was a ty Cartier goal
last week in Chicago that went off of Oscar Fisker
bouleguards inside knee, off of ty Cartier's outside knee and
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then went into the back of the dead And I
also think too, with Jayden Schwartz now out six weeks,
you lose a really big net front piece on the
power play because Jaden Schwartz is the kind of guy
that will score a goal off his face if he
has to write, and you lose a lot of that
with him on the shelf now for the next month
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and a half. So you know, I don't know what
that looks like moving forward. The crack and they work
on the power play every day in practice, it'll be
interested to see what happens today and tomorrow at practice.
The Cracking have got one of the very rare lulls
in the schedule right now. They haven't played since Saturday.
They'll play in two days time on Thursday. But after
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Thursday the Cracking are playing every other day, including a
December twenty second, twenty third back to back going into Christmas.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So the schedule is going to pick back up here.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
So hopefully, you know, the last couple of days today
and tomorrow, you'll be able to make a lot of
the practice time that you do get.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
You know, football play last like you know a second
and a half, a baseball play, you know a few
seconds more. I play by play guy on radio doesn't
have to follow continuous action and those sports like a
hockey guy does. So, how are you handling Oscar Fisker Moleguard?
(28:54):
How is that flowing? Having to say that name every
time that he the puck it's near him? Are you
just skipping it over? Or if you come up with
a nickname, what are we doing there?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (29:05):
No, so you know when he when he was up here,
you know, Oscar Fisker Moleguard. It's fun to say it's
it's a very fun name to say. I will say
we've shortened it to U O F m uh internally
and in the in in in the shorthand.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
But no, you're gonna you're gonna really punch out the
fish scur mole.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Guard or the Oscar fish sker mole guard.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
You're gonna have fun with it.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
So I pride myself I'm being able to get everyone's
full name in when I can. I mean, you're way
unless you're Vancouver, who has an Elias and Elias and
Marcus Patterson. So that that's the one team that I'm like,
I hope they're not on the guys at the same time.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I mean, they all can't be Capo CaCO, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
They can't all be.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Back on the call Thursday back against the Edmonton oiler.
I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. We'll talk to
you again next week.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I did.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
And I'm gonna instruct risk more to not approve any
more of your vacation time.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Okay, yeah, yeah, good for the hockey team.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Really yeah, great for the hockey team.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
We have we have games to win, you have playoffs
to make.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
We can't have shut Powell getting some quality time with
his family.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
You have that, I really do have to start appreciating
my value to the Kracking. You're right, thank you, their
appreciate you as see it.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
All right.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
The great Evert fits you right here, the voice of
your Seattle Kracking, and he will be on the call
Thursday night, back against the Oilers. We got to snap
this three game losing streak, all right. Coming up next
on the program, how many NFL teams actually did drop
the ball at quarterback this offseason? Some interesting reporting done
this morning, and also a situation that certainly strikes close
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to home that we should discuss as well on sport
It's Radio ninety three point three KHRFM. New Isel joins
us at the top of the hour. We got a
lot to discuss with our college football insider, and the
old Judge will also stop by in the nine o'clock hour,
and it does give us a little, short, little window
here to discuss something that I heard this morning. Adam
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Schefter was reporting that Matthew Stafford it was legitimately being
shopped here. He is the MVP front runner in a
lot of circles and was legitimately being shopped by the
Los Angeles Rams in the offseason, and the Rams would
have pulled the trigger had any of the teams with
quarterback needs given them more than a second round pick offer.
(31:38):
Had they gotten a first round pick offer, they would
have traded Matt Stafford. I mean then that that statement
is just loaded with so many different things that you
could talk about. Because number one would why were the
Rams shopping Matt Stafford? Goodness sake? Number two? How come
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the Steelers, who seemed so desperate, weren't willing to give
a first round pick for Matt Stafford? Why did Geno
Smith end up with the Raiders if all it took
was a first round pick for Matt Stafford. I get
that he's an older, if not old quarterback by NFL standards,
but man, that guy just seemed to be playing as
(32:22):
well as he'd ever played in his National Football League career.
And for teams to have that many opportunities to kind
of solve their quarterback issue at least for a couple
of years, to not be able to pay that price
seems like a mistake. Now, that's for sures. In hindsight,
seems like a lot of teams might have dropped the
ball this offseason and it would have been nice to
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get him out of the division. Yeah, I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
I suppose that maybe they were a little worried about
his durability or his injury. Right, we know they had
a back issue, and so maybe they were like, if
we could get a first rounder when we're thinking maybe
he can stay healthy, maybe he can.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And they have.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Jimmy Garoppolo, which is a step backwards most certainly, And
yet Sean McVay probably feels like he could make Jimmy
Garoppolo work with his system and.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Can't make a Matt Stafford.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
No, No, definitely not the Matt Stafford we're seeing right now,
but really who Matt Stafford has been forever.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So yeah, I mean a little bit.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I started kind of going through and you know, trying
not to think of hindsight, think of the beginning season
or during last offseason, after the draft, you start looking
around and some of the teams that are obvious, like
the Saints. You know, they had the whole Derek Carr
situation where that's who they had as their starting quarterback,
and then he decided he just wasn't going to have
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he wasn't going to be able to come back from
the injury that he had had, and so they were
kind of left with nothing. And yet I think maybe
they were they feel like they're further away from a
matt Stafford.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I get why the Saints wouldn't do it, but a
team like the Steelers. Steelers's trying to break out of
the mediocre mold that they've been stuck in here for
the last few years, are you not making that well?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I think they obviously were became infatuated with Aaron Rodgers
and the fact that Aaron Rodgers over the course of
their careers has had a better career. Now, he's not
better now than what Matthew Stafford is, and so you know,
in hindsight, it was definitely a mistake. And I think
a lot of people probably would have said, if you
had the opportunity to get matt Stafford versus not give
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up anything for Aaron Rodgers, that it would have been
a good debate to have before you saw how the
season has gone for Aaron Rodgers. And yet I think
that they must have just fallen in love with the
idea of, wait, we can get one last hurrah out
of Aaron Rodgers. Maybe that is what puts us over
the top. We don't have to give up anything for him.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
And I think about our situation, and we brought it
up a little bit with Coach and Hugh yesterday. I mean,
Minnesota Vikings. What a mistake. I mean, it is a mistake.
There is no getting around it. I'm not saying that
drafting JJ McCarthy was a mistake. There's still time to
figure that out as we go. And they got to
keep him healthy and see that if he can improve,
because he really and been healthy since he took over there.
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But to buy time by just slapping a friend. You
wouldn't even had to give up anything for Sam Darnold.
Just slap the franchise tag on him, pay him thirty
million dollars, you know, even if he's your backup, you've
got something to JJ McCarthy and to just let him
walk and for him to end up here in Seattle.
I saw the look on Justin Jefferson's face. I saw
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it when he met him after the game was over,
and he granted he had two catchers for four yards.
He was very frustrated, but he like ran into Sam's
arms to tell him how much he misses him. What
a tremendous dropping of the ball that was by the
Minnesota Vikings. A lot of I mean quarterback just boneheaded
decisions made by front offices. It's why we have jobs.
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It's why fans get the fan. It's like, because I
could have done better than you in that situation.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
GM.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yeah, they just end up once they'd end up doing
the you know, making a big draft pick like that
that they want to get out there and have that
payoff make themselves look right. But well you did take
a step back, giving up a guy that obviously played
and took them to what fourteen wins last year and
turning it over to a guy who had no experience
because of you know, blowing out his aco last year.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
And I think a Geno it's like the Raiders convincing
themselves that they're ready and they're a quarterback away. They're
not ready. They're not a quarterback away. And then you've
got Tom Brady on your staff and he signed off
on Geno Smith being the solution for the Raiders that
turns them around. I mean, just a lot of bad
quarterback decisions. He was probably too focused on cloning his
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dog though to be fair, that's true. Maybe don't be surprised.
He's not trying to clone himself to be the next
Raiders quarterbacks, all right, Rick new Isel's Next Sports Radio
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I felt like he was part of my Thanksgiving. Seemed
like he was calling every single game over the weekend,
and so I just sliced him up a piece of
turkey and a little bit of pumpkin pie, right yeah,
and just set it there right in front of the
television and just acted like Gina joined us.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah, Yeah, he would have appreciated that. Yeah, I don't
think he got to enjoy things. Maybe still hasn't.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Oh man, are you kidding me? The catering they do
over there at CBS Sports. He had one of the
greatest tech turkey meals he's ever had in his starres wife.
He just didn't have his family around. What a wonderful
Thanksgiving is Jean's territorius with us right here on Chucking Bark.
Good chat with you. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Anyway, good morning fellaws Chucky. We missed you last week.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
And Bucky, I did get home yesterday and my lovely
wife did leave two real thin slices of white meat
in the back corner of the fridge, and I asked
her to save that extra half gallon of gravy as
you suggested last week, and I dumped it on and
we had a really great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Bucky good, I'm so glad to hear it.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
By the way, my wife made her best gravy to date. Oh, like,
you need to just make a gallon of it, like
you just said, Gino, you said, I need a gallon
of that on reserve, just in the back of the fridge.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Keep it in.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, it'll just be like lard. I'll just throw it
in the microwave when I need it.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Sure, you can't bring that into the stadium.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's gravy. No more than four ounces, though. You can't
bring more than four ounces. And we'll get through security
all right.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You know, I would love to get flagged by TSA
for trying to sneak great an airplay.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah, it's not really liquid anymore, sir, Try to pour
it out.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
There's nothing in there.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
It is explosive. All right, well, let's talk some football,
you know what. The one I want to start with
is from the college game, because I was thinking was
such an interesting play and still we're days after this
Jeremiah Smith touchdown. It's kind of unlike any play that
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I think I've seen before where he seemed to be
bobbling the touchdown as he went into the end zone
and we weren't sure if he got control of it
before he stepped out of the end zone over on
the side. I mean, it was such a bang bang play.
It looks like such an obvious touchdown, Gene, and then
you slow it down and you're like, man, maybe that
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is a fumble out the side of the end zone.
I've heard people say, now, that's ridiculous. I've heard people say, absolutely,
that's a fumble. Where does the greatest football ref re
of all time weigh in on this.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
That's a big thing. That's a big thie chuck.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
You put a lot of heat on the here, But
I think I think it falls in that category. And
I know we've even spoken about this in previous meetings
together where we start slowing this down to the place
where what we think is our state you know, one
of the things we say is a hundred guys and
hundred guys and guys in the bar look at this
and go, look it's a touchdown. And now you slow
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it down and you go, wait a minute, he doesn't
really have control of it. Where does that piece one
one end and the other begin. Uh. We've all decided
to bring replay into our games in certain capacities and
allow them to slow it down as slow as they
would like to make these decisions. But even with all
that said, there's this element of subjectivity which kind of
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lands on that replay offfecial or the collaboration making the
final decision and the rest of us. Right, I think
I think that play coupled with the great catch that
MCA elevade and the you dub Oregon game kind of
both of those, although different types of plays, they really
to me fall in that same category. Right, Like, you know,
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I think if you look at it replay and really
really slow it down. In the Ohio State game, it
appears that he's lost possession right before he crosses the
goal line. Now if he has that possession just and
the ball breaks the plane and then bobbles it in
that step where the next two camera frames. We know
that if he had possession and it broke the plane,
he was a runner, it's a touchdown. But if he
did lose that possession, you basically have a fumble within
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his own body. You know, he's the one who did
it all, and he doesn't regather it before that foot
touches out of bounds. So there's the there's forever going
to be these types of scenarios occur because the football
world decided to put subjective rulings into replay, and regardless
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of how slower fast we put them, we're going to
end up in these little windows of the time.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I think that allow us to have these discussions.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
But in real time, to me touchdown, I brought it
down frame by frame, right, put everything in there. Hey,
he lost possession of this thing. Let's go back and
frame by frame it. So as much as I would
really love to give you the definitive, I think, by
the rules of replay and the way that we have
now become accustomed to it, you've got to stay it
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for fumble.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Wow. Cool, But in the real world.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
And watching that, I know, you know, if you go
back and circle back fifteen years before this happens, I don't.
I think it's a blip in the screen, or we
may not even really readdress it. Right, we just move on.
We've now brought our game to this place, which is
job security. I have to say selfishly at this point
in life, you know, let's keep it going for a
(05:47):
couple more years and then you guys can do what
you want with it later.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Perfect.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Well, I mean, just a little add on to that
then if that was I mean, when you slow it
down in real time, you're like, it looks like you
lost possession. Do you like the rule or maybe you
can explain why you think the rule of if that
was the case, had they ruled any way, touch back
other team's ball go in the other direction versus all right, fumbled,
you got back possession.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Here is the ball on the one. Do you like
the rule? And why is that rule the way that
it is?
Speaker 5 (06:18):
You know, Bucky, you know, we've always kind of lived
by the philosophy that the end zone is sacred aground
and it kind of does have its little asterisks in
the other rulings that apply in the field. The implementation
of that, I believe, going back or way before my time,
I think as well, was maybe too avoid just reckless.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Abandonment as you dot or the end zone, you know.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
And understanding that if it pops out, we're still going
to get the ball back at the.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Half yard line.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
And there are other plays that also have the end
zone involved, which create other dynamics. And if this one
repeats itself over and over and we inevitably have that discussion,
like it seems too punitive because if that ball goes
out at the half yard line, we're just coming back
to the spot of the fumble and it's the second,
third or fourth and goal. But the end zone is
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always been considered kind of that sacred space where you've
got to take care of everything at once that football
gets into that area of the field.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
There are some different.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Rules applied, So I really kind of my personal feeling,
I don't mind it personally, but I do realize, you know,
the pushback, because it just doesn't seem equitable in certain instances,
and sometimes these are those instances, you know. But and
in the replay situation, I've been an adamant. I've stood
very strongly with my feelings with replay when I was
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on the field actively doing it, and now in this
position is I wish that we would only say, maybe
turn this dial back like twenty percent slower than real time,
in no less than that, because at twenty percent or
eighty percent real full speed official that are screwed in
or really seeing the game at about eighty percent, just
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like players, the game slows down to that window. And
I think if we made our replay decisions in that
same window of slowness without going into the frame by
frame magic trick, if it's loose in mid air, I
think that there would be more balance. I think there
would be more consistency, and quite frankly, I think then
you could see replay decisions made on the field that
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officials then could see the next day when they look
and say, you know, I missed that. Look how they
ruled on that at twenty percent slower than real time.
I need to be able to get that right in
real time too, these frame by frames. As an official
in the human condition, you're ruling on these bank bank plays,
and your feel is, look, I got this right, and
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then we come back and go, oh, one camera frame
before that happened, this happened, and you're wrong. That puts
a bug in your brain when you're on that field,
you know, as you continue through your profession, and so
I really wish that we would all collectively come back
and say, let's find that sweet spot where we're just
slowing the game down to this level and we're making
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all decisions at that level too. I think, then you know,
you could blend, you could blend training. It would become
more of a training tool than this other element.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We see.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
How many times have we seen forward passes go forward
and the ball just lays there because everybody's scared to
death to blow the whistle now, right, or any fumble
that happens near the player going down. Everything's just we
let it go now because replay I'll fix it. To me,
from that purity of what I did for my life's
work and the sports, that hurts me because it diminishes,
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it doesn't allow great officials to be great. It's pulling
everybody back towards being mediocre in some ways. And that's
just my feel on it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
CBS Rules analyst Jean Stare at Dora joins us every
week here on Checking Buck in the Morning to talk
about some of the interesting calls over the weekend, and
you brought up the name Jeremiah McClellan, So I ought
to get your thoughts on this. I mean, to me,
it just looked like a really fancy failure by a
guy in silly clothes. And yes, and yet maybe you
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was an official unbiased may have had a different view
of it. Did they get that right? Calling it incomplete?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
That listen, I said it on air. I'm still standing
with it.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I was different from the ruling on the field at
the end of the replay. I thought it was an
unbelievable play where a player secured with strength and if
you look, two or three of his fingers rushed or
even curled on the on the ball put into his helmet. Yes,
when he hit the ground, the ball moved a little
with his hands. Okay, that's that's what happens when people
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land with football's. It doesn't move out of his control.
But it didn't move, but his hands stayed firmly on
that And and again that's I felt like, this is
just an unbelievable catch rate play that we looked and
like it just just it doesn't look like you can
be able to possibly and physically do that.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I think he did right, and uh, and again I
think that's that's that space that we all live in there.
But I thought, and again maybe some of this is
me just get a little romantic and old with it.
I think there has to be some artistic you know,
like in gymnastics you stick to landing and then they say,
you know, the Italian judge goes eight point five on
artistic impression, right, or something to that effect. When you
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make a play like that, I think, don't you get
a little extra window of Hey, I know it moves
a little bit, but my gosh, you know, you pulled
it off. We're giving it to you. You know, maybe
we should vote on that sometimes. But I really thought
it was possibly catch.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
What do you think, Bucky?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Definitely, you know, I mean it was basically I'm going
to give it to you. That was definitely a catch,
just like if he should price sock. Definitely was not
PI on a very dimidle gameplay in the game, Jane
and I speak, that would out by us on this
one breach check. That was a terrible call.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
Jane I thick Athleyvens said, preach Chuck in the background
this if you guys need me to get out there
and referee the remainder of the show. It might take
me two or three hours to get there, but I'd
be more than.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Willing to it.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Sounds like we have a little biased opinions in some
of these, but I thought preduct did a great job
of closing on the receiver and without turning his back
and looking back toward the football and almost timed it perfectly.
I do think though, that right before that ball got
to that mesh point, and I don't know that he
needed to do it. I think his arms went more
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toward the receiver and as opposed to going vertical, I
think if he puts his arms straight up and stretches
straight up in the air as he's closing there, the
contact becomes just a little closer to what we call
in the officiating world to bang bang and not bang
breath bang, And I think that was where that piece
kind of went there. Anytime a defensive player is chasing
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chase mode into a receiver and doesn't get his head
turned back around so that we as officials can give
him some love that yeah contact, anybody's playing the ball.
If you don't get that head around, now that your
window of what I can allow you to do gets shrunken.
We have to now be a little more technical because
now you are just trying to time this through that
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player without regard to playing the football.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
So we get a little more.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Technical on those plays, and the bang bang play doesn't
get as much love as if you're turning back and
I can put you in the window of contact while
you're playing the ball field.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
So both play.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I hate to be over two with your the sporting Tucky,
but either Gravy was really good with.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
You on both of them.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Bud, Yeah, maybe they should stop trying to cheat, Jean,
maybe price auction, stop trying to rules.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I didn't know Jean's territory love ticky tack football calling. Okay,
I got it, understand that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't think that's true.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Don't listen to him, Jane. I mean when you're right,
you're right, we're just gonna cry about it.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Apparently a nursing home with football these days.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I don't I don't agree with that. I'll go ahead
and move on. It can just be you and I
like last week, Jane, if you'd like, we can go
ahead and meet these two.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I do have I have one that I want a
little bit of an explanation the whole pick play thing.
Chuck and I were talking after the show yesterday, and
you know, is there a an amount of room that
you have within the line of scrimmage where that's completely legit,
because it does feel like in the Bronco game, there
was a.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Couple of plays.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
One was the fourth down in overtime to to keep
the game alive, and they ran a pick play, so
it's like they obviously like the idea. If it doesn't
get called, there's a good way chance the guy's going
to be open. And then in the final play that
was a two point version that got batted down, the
guy was going to be open because of another one
that that one seems far more legit where the guy
(15:00):
got caught up in traffic trying to go across the line.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
But those immediate pick plays.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Seem like they work every single time, and sometimes there's
a flag and sometimes there isn't.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yeah, multiple levels, there's a block and white issue here
if you are legally, as an offensive player allowed to
block within one yard of where the ball was snap
going forward downfield, so that little window, and that's why
you'll see a lot of times if teams have a
penalty after a touchdown and can move the football from
the two to the one. They'll go for two that
because there's now they can block from the one to
(15:32):
the goal line legally and kind of set that screen
or what looks like a screenplay in college and still
legally be blocking while player goes right behind him right
it's the goal line, and that would be legal. So
there is a block and white line as it relates
to what's legal with offensive passing experience, and it is
making contact within that yard. Now, once we get beyond
that yard, a lot of different elements start to take place.
(15:55):
There's a lot of things here in that fourth down play,
the defensive player. We're beyond the yard, so we're not in.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
The black and white portion now. But now when that.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Receiver comes off of the line, after he's gone more
than the yard, if that defensive player initiates engagement, he's
coming into him and putting hands out toward him. Now
you're what you're allowed to kind of do as an
offensive player. Now I can either fight to get you off,
I can snuggle and kind of ride you away from
the play. You've given me more window to kind of
(16:27):
legally pick you because you came into me and initiated
that rubber that snuggle contact. So now my ability to
kind of cheat you a little bit is enhanced in
those scenarios. When we're running the other traditional pick plays,
a lot of times you'll see offensive pass interferences called,
and it's this.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Bang bang situation.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
With a defensive player out in space and a receiver
at the top of his route or something.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Those plays.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
When we have those, you've got to kind of harke
and yourself move to a different sport and look at
a block charge playing basketball, if the defensive player is
stationary and has established his position on the field and
the offensive player now was coming toward him, the offense
is responsibilities.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
He has to avoid him.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
He cannot run into a defensive player in the established
position that he has gained prior to contact, so it
would be a charge, right, So if it's a charge,
it's an offensive pass interference. If it becomes a blocking
filewer now right before that meshing or that point of contact,
the defensive player slides into the offensive player or is
(17:32):
outside of his frame of where he established. Now the
onus becomes an onus on the defensive player. So there's
multiple layers with offensive pass interference as it.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Relates to beyond that yard line. But within the yard all.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Things really are, you know, we can go do what
we need to do there. So there's a ton of
those elements within those within those plays, and I don't
disagree with you.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
First one, I felt like the defensive player of the
fourth unplayer, the defensive.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Prayer reached and began engagement.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
He kind of opened his window up to allow that
little extra rough bump.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
The last one, there is a lot of there's.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
A lot of congestion there right which which convolutes a
little And then at the time of that happened, as
we said, he said they bated the football down, So
it became a little bit of a non issue in
that regard.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
But there's definitely a lot.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Of tentacles on that play, a lot of things to digest.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Well in our last minute, and I really am up
against it. But I think you can answer this one
pretty quickly. Did we have a case on the marioda
intentional grounding where he threw it over the receiver's head,
I mean clearly over the receiver's head. And yet we've
watched that play a thousand times in our lives, and
(18:47):
it doesn't get called intentional grounding. It did on Sunday night,
and it seemed that the reaction was that the official
just didn't know the rule. I mean, is that what happened.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
It's not in the rule of black and white. But
Terry mccaullay did a really good job. He's been a
great official with three Super Bowls in his resume, the
analyst for NBC. By our philosophies, when a receiver is
between the numbers and the sidelines, that third we call
of the field and a football would go over the
head of that receiver. Philosophically, officials don't throw intentional.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Grounding there, even though we know the.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Balls fifteen feet in the air and his verdict will
only takes him to twelve and a half feet or
whatever the case may be. So it's kind of an
NFL philosophy's ruling, or that's how we've always administered that penalty.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
You look in the book, it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Say anything about thirds and all of those things. But
as you said, too, check that's the play that we've
seen many times and we look and go, look, guys,
that's not catchable. There's nothing there. But there's also no
flight for intentional grounding. So I think that's that window,
and I think he explained it well philosophically. But then,
as we all know, we look into the dictionary, we
go google it and go, dude, that's not in the
(20:00):
look anywhere. What are you talking about? So that's where
that play falls. That's that's kind of the NFL in
officiating has always been more liberal with not calling intentional grounding, right,
I mean you, the receivers in the area had an
opportunity to touch the ball. All of those scenarios apply
in many cases, and we usually.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Are very liberal not to call that foul.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
This is another one of those scenarios and why he
disagreed with what the officials did on the field.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
The great gene Sterotor joins us every week here on
Chuck and Buck. This week, I don't know, maybe not
your best.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I think was the best ever.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
A little off your game, a little bit, Gene, I
don't know, do better next week. Maybe that would be
my advice.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I had.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
I'll be watching film all week, Chuck.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I swear it, I read it.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
He's sending me more plays, Schucky.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I love this.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Thank you, Jean, talk to you next week.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
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Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ A r f
M gave Everett. I gave the Kraken to Ashley and
(21:16):
Bucket last week. I'm like, you know, get him going,
and they couldn't win us a game. So hopefully me
being back this week, we'll get us back on track.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Everett. Yeah, No, you were the you're the good luck chterm.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
I think it's just really no no vacation for Chuck Powell.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Ever again, everybody in the organization's been buzzing about it.
Is that what you're telling me? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (21:38):
They were who let Chuck Powell off offline for.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Uh at Lane Lambert that Leyton Lambert just can't stop
talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I bet calls me old
g LC good luck charm.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Really yeah, good luck Chuck, Chuck, good Luck Chuck.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Well, what is the reason, Everett fits you? Why the
krack and haven't won in three games.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
You know, I listen. The only real I want to say, stinker.
We talked about this quite a bit. When you're in
the middle of a season, you're not gonna win every game.
There are going to be challenges that present themselves. And
going back to the Dallas game, I mean Lane even
said it, they played good enough, but there were just
(22:28):
a few key mistakes on Thanksgiving Eve that you just
can't afford to make. And at this level, you make
those mistakes, they end up in the back of your net.
The Edmonton game, you're going up against an Oilers team
that now for the third year in a row, have
gotten off to a five hundred or slightly worse, slightly
(22:49):
better start through twenty plus games. They don't seem to
have their ducks in a row, if you will, But
the last two years they've gone on to the Stanley
Cup Finals and they've won the West. So Edmonton, this
is about the time when they turn it around. So
I will say a performance from the Oilers on Saturday
(23:10):
didn't surprise me, But I think the fact that the
Kraken couldn't beat one of the most you know, the
struggling goalies in this league. You know, that's obviously something
that that they weren't too happy about in that game.
You know, there the shots weren't weren't where they needed
to be, The passes were a little bit sloppy.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Coming through the neutral zone.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
It just wasn't as sharp and as crisp as I
think this team expects it to be. And and regardless
of how the oilers have started, whenever you've got McDavid
and dry Sino and Nujhn Hopkins was his first game
back after a you know, lengthy ir stend. You had
Zach Hyman back for his fifth game of the season.
(23:54):
He was out for the first month of the year.
So whenever you've got a dangerous team like that, regardless
of their record, you have to know that they're gonna
come for you, and they did on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
How are we feeling about Joey d since he's been back,
Tocord with when it comes to you know, being in NETA,
we is he right back to where we want him
to be or is that something that does take a
little time to knock some rust off.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
You know, I think it does take a little bit
of time. But for Joey, I mean he is a
goalie that prides himself on his preparation. He's always ready,
he's always working. You know, you watch him after a
morning skate where he's starting that night, he goes to
the gym, gets a full post practice workout, he goes
through his mental preparation.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
He's got the VR.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Goggles on that he uses a pregame to to dial
himself in. So even when Joey you know, misses time
like we saw him earlier this year, he he doesn't
need a whole lot of time to get back. And
I think we're seeing Joey Decord still perform at a
very high level. I think where the the the issue
(25:05):
lies is I think with just the team's lack of offense,
and Laye Lambert will tell you, you know, he wants the
team to shoot more. He wants there to maybe be
a little bit more of a of a selfish mentality
when it comes to trying to generate offense, and so
Joey Decourd I think is fine. I think this year
we've seen that Philip Grubauer is having a very good
(25:28):
resurgent season compared to the last two, and he's playing
some of his best hockey that we've seen throughout his
tenure here in Seattle. So I don't think the goaltending
has been an issue, uh this season as opposed to
just trying to generate more.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Offense, and a lot of your offense, let's face it,
in the NHL comes on that man advantage. And here
you go oh for five against Dallas on the power play,
and oh for two in getting shut out by Edmonton
you obvious didn't succeed in it, and a one nothing
shut out of the Islanders. How close does Lane feel
that they are to rearranging the decks on the on
(26:09):
the you know, the chairs on the deck, to try
to get the right combination of guys so you can
improve that power play. You got to be successful in
that area.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Yeah, it's it's not it's it's been an area of opportunity.
We'll say that over the last handful of games. You
go oh for six against the Oilers, you go oh
for five against against Dallas, and I think the cracking
a oh for their last thirteen or fourteen overall, going
back a few games on the power.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Play, Yeah, it's not. That's not great, boy, not great.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
And listen again, it all just comes from that shooting first,
mentality and lane will tell you the looks that the
Kraken a getting on the power play, they're not bad looks,
but I think there is still too much waiting for
the perfect pass, waiting for the perfect lane. And you
(27:08):
go back to a lot of goals that have been
scored this season, and particularly from the fourth line, who
has done a really good job of shipping in offense
this year. Pucks are going off of skates, they're going
off of legs, and there was a ty Cartier goal
last week in Chicago that went off of Oscar Fisker
bouleguards inside knee, off of ty Cartier's outside knee and
(27:33):
then went into the back of the dead And I
also think too, with Jayden Schwartz now out six weeks,
you lose a really big net front piece on the
power play because Jaden Schwartz is the kind of guy
that will score a goal off his face if he
has to write, and you lose a lot of that
with him on the shelf now for the next month
(27:54):
and a half. So you know, I don't know what
that looks like moving forward. The crack and they work
on the power play every day in practice, it'll be
interested to see what happens today and tomorrow at practice.
The Cracking have got one of the very rare lulls
in the schedule right now. They haven't played since Saturday.
They'll play in two days time on Thursday. But after
(28:17):
Thursday the Cracking are playing every other day, including a
December twenty second, twenty third back to back going into Christmas.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So the schedule is going to pick back up here.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
So hopefully, you know, the last couple of days today
and tomorrow, you'll be able to make a lot of
the practice time that you do get.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
You know, football play last like you know a second
and a half, a baseball play, you know a few
seconds more. I play by play guy on radio doesn't
have to follow continuous action and those sports like a
hockey guy does. So, how are you handling Oscar Fisker Moleguard?
(28:54):
How is that flowing? Having to say that name every
time that he the puck it's near him? Are you
just skipping it over? Or if you come up with
a nickname, what are we doing there?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (29:05):
No, so you know when he when he was up here,
you know, Oscar Fisker Moleguard. It's fun to say it's
it's a very fun name to say. I will say
we've shortened it to U O F m uh internally
and in the in in in the shorthand.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
But no, you're gonna you're gonna really punch out the
fish scur mole.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Guard or the Oscar fish sker mole guard.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
You're gonna have fun with it.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
So I pride myself I'm being able to get everyone's
full name in when I can. I mean, you're way
unless you're Vancouver, who has an Elias and Elias and
Marcus Patterson. So that that's the one team that I'm like,
I hope they're not on the guys at the same time.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I mean, they all can't be Capo CaCO, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
They can't all be.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Back on the call Thursday back against the Edmonton oiler.
I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. We'll talk to
you again next week.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I did.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
And I'm gonna instruct risk more to not approve any
more of your vacation time.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Okay, yeah, yeah, good for the hockey team.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Really yeah, great for the hockey team.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
We have we have games to win, you have playoffs
to make.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
We can't have shut Powell getting some quality time with
his family.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
You have that, I really do have to start appreciating
my value to the Kracking. You're right, thank you, their
appreciate you as see it.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
All right.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
The great Evert fits you right here, the voice of
your Seattle Kracking, and he will be on the call
Thursday night, back against the Oilers. We got to snap
this three game losing streak, all right. Coming up next
on the program, how many NFL teams actually did drop
the ball at quarterback this offseason? Some interesting reporting done
this morning, and also a situation that certainly strikes close
(30:57):
to home that we should discuss as well on sport
It's Radio ninety three point three KHRFM. New Isel joins
us at the top of the hour. We got a
lot to discuss with our college football insider, and the
old Judge will also stop by in the nine o'clock hour,
and it does give us a little, short, little window
here to discuss something that I heard this morning. Adam
(31:17):
Schefter was reporting that Matthew Stafford it was legitimately being
shopped here. He is the MVP front runner in a
lot of circles and was legitimately being shopped by the
Los Angeles Rams in the offseason, and the Rams would
have pulled the trigger had any of the teams with
quarterback needs given them more than a second round pick offer.
(31:38):
Had they gotten a first round pick offer, they would
have traded Matt Stafford. I mean then that that statement
is just loaded with so many different things that you
could talk about. Because number one would why were the
Rams shopping Matt Stafford? Goodness sake? Number two? How come
(32:00):
the Steelers, who seemed so desperate, weren't willing to give
a first round pick for Matt Stafford? Why did Geno
Smith end up with the Raiders if all it took
was a first round pick for Matt Stafford. I get
that he's an older, if not old quarterback by NFL standards,
but man, that guy just seemed to be playing as
(32:22):
well as he'd ever played in his National Football League career.
And for teams to have that many opportunities to kind
of solve their quarterback issue at least for a couple
of years, to not be able to pay that price
seems like a mistake. Now, that's for sures. In hindsight,
seems like a lot of teams might have dropped the
ball this offseason and it would have been nice to
(32:43):
get him out of the division. Yeah, I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
I suppose that maybe they were a little worried about
his durability or his injury. Right, we know they had
a back issue, and so maybe they were like, if
we could get a first rounder when we're thinking maybe
he can stay healthy, maybe he can.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And they have.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Jimmy Garoppolo, which is a step backwards most certainly, And
yet Sean McVay probably feels like he could make Jimmy
Garoppolo work with his system and.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Can't make a Matt Stafford.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
No, No, definitely not the Matt Stafford we're seeing right now,
but really who Matt Stafford has been forever.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
So yeah, I mean a little bit.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I started kind of going through and you know, trying
not to think of hindsight, think of the beginning season
or during last offseason, after the draft, you start looking
around and some of the teams that are obvious, like
the Saints. You know, they had the whole Derek Carr
situation where that's who they had as their starting quarterback,
and then he decided he just wasn't going to have
(33:38):
he wasn't going to be able to come back from
the injury that he had had, and so they were
kind of left with nothing. And yet I think maybe
they were they feel like they're further away from a
matt Stafford.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I get why the Saints wouldn't do it, but a
team like the Steelers. Steelers's trying to break out of
the mediocre mold that they've been stuck in here for
the last few years, are you not making that well?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I think they obviously were became infatuated with Aaron Rodgers
and the fact that Aaron Rodgers over the course of
their careers has had a better career. Now, he's not
better now than what Matthew Stafford is, and so you know,
in hindsight, it was definitely a mistake. And I think
a lot of people probably would have said, if you
had the opportunity to get matt Stafford versus not give
(34:23):
up anything for Aaron Rodgers, that it would have been
a good debate to have before you saw how the
season has gone for Aaron Rodgers. And yet I think
that they must have just fallen in love with the
idea of, wait, we can get one last hurrah out
of Aaron Rodgers. Maybe that is what puts us over
the top. We don't have to give up anything for him.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
And I think about our situation, and we brought it
up a little bit with Coach and Hugh yesterday. I mean,
Minnesota Vikings. What a mistake. I mean, it is a mistake.
There is no getting around it. I'm not saying that
drafting JJ McCarthy was a mistake. There's still time to
figure that out as we go. And they got to
keep him healthy and see that if he can improve,
because he really and been healthy since he took over there.
(35:03):
But to buy time by just slapping a friend. You
wouldn't even had to give up anything for Sam Darnold.
Just slap the franchise tag on him, pay him thirty
million dollars, you know, even if he's your backup, you've
got something to JJ McCarthy and to just let him
walk and for him to end up here in Seattle.
I saw the look on Justin Jefferson's face. I saw
(35:26):
it when he met him after the game was over,
and he granted he had two catchers for four yards.
He was very frustrated, but he like ran into Sam's
arms to tell him how much he misses him. What
a tremendous dropping of the ball that was by the
Minnesota Vikings. A lot of I mean quarterback just boneheaded
decisions made by front offices. It's why we have jobs.
(35:47):
It's why fans get the fan. It's like, because I
could have done better than you in that situation.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
GM.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yeah, they just end up once they'd end up doing
the you know, making a big draft pick like that
that they want to get out there and have that
payoff make themselves look right. But well you did take
a step back, giving up a guy that obviously played
and took them to what fourteen wins last year and
turning it over to a guy who had no experience
because of you know, blowing out his aco last year.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
And I think a Geno it's like the Raiders convincing
themselves that they're ready and they're a quarterback away. They're
not ready. They're not a quarterback away. And then you've
got Tom Brady on your staff and he signed off
on Geno Smith being the solution for the Raiders that
turns them around. I mean, just a lot of bad
quarterback decisions. He was probably too focused on cloning his
(36:34):
dog though to be fair, that's true. Maybe don't be surprised.
He's not trying to clone himself to be the next
Raiders quarterbacks, all right, Rick new Isel's Next Sports Radio
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