It’s Christmas week and with Chuck out, our gift to you is Hugh Millen joining the show for the next four hours! We had our first round of CFP games this weekend and Kalen DeBoer’s Crimson Tide were a different team in the 2nd half against Oklahoma and thank goodness they were for his sake. :30- It’s time to grab your cold turkey sandwich and check the board of scores… well, the board of some scores. :45- Thursday’s Seahawks win over the Rams was Ken Walker’s most explosive game yet; what was the difference?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, folks, Good.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Morning everyone, Good morning, it's some time. Good morning class.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Lazy gentlemen, Ladies and gentlemen. Behold a producing six one
guard from Brighton, Illinois and former high school basketball stand
What in the hell does that mean?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Don't yumped any conclusions.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
No, not a god, You've got to lower lower your expectations.
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
I'm getting some Bucky jacobs and vibes and former I'll
just openly admit I'm.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
A fat, out of shaped X athlete.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.
Five seven guard and a former college water polo national champions.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
A lot of useless crap up here.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Wow, this is Chuck and Buck in the Morning with
Ashley Ryan. But to you by to Lado Casino Resort
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action never stopped.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
To Welcome in Happy Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I don't think I've ever said that before.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
But it is happy Monday because Christmas is almost here.
And yeah, it probably recognized already. It's not Hugh or
it's not Chuck talking right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's me. I'm the Buck portion of the Chuck and Buck.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Chuck has taken a little bit of time off getting ready,
probably trying to reevaluate and make Santa think differently about
what he did this year.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I would imagine reevaluate his life choices.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Right, reevaluate his life choices, try to try to convince
Santa that he was good because it's you don't have
much time left and yeah, good luck.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's a lot of water under the bridge.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
One of the nice Christmas presents that our listeners get
today with Chuck being out, is not me leading the show.
We still have Ashley, So you're welcome for that. You
have been good enough that Santa deliver that. But everybody
gets their Christmas gift, and that is Hugh breedlove milon.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
For four hours.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah that's parallel to cold. But that's all right. I'll
be with you. No, good morning, good morning, good morning.
How's how was your weekend? Great weekend? Yeah, a lot,
a good lot of a lot of a lot of
great football. Got the adult.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Kids in from the East coast. Nice, you know, a
lot of family and the friend fellowship is good action
love this time of year.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
That is, you know, I got it.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I got to hang out with you a little bit
during spring training. You know, I get basically one day
of breed love at your house, and it's wonderful. I
have always wondered what a Saturday Sunday at the mill
in house is, Like, I mean, you down in that
theater watching football?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Are you watching upstairs in the living room so you know,
the wife he can enjoy it along with you. Are
you in your computer with that that rounded screen, basically
that three sixty screen that you can just spin around
in your chair and be watching eight games at one time?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
What he does have a lot of options?
Speaker 5 (03:05):
What is your Saturday Sunday football watching experience?
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Like I think, yeah, I think it's yes, yes, and yes,
I think all of that at some point. Yeah, a
cool little media room to to to take it in
if you want to want the the immersive experience. But
you know, there's you know, you gotta gotta hang out
with the family and be in the sunshine if if
there is any at any time.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But so yeah, no, it's it's good. You know what.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
I what I what makes the the.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Experience good is good football.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
And we got some of that, and you know, certainly,
certainly Friday night the games not involving the Mountain or
excuse me, the Group of five. Uh, you know, we're
really good football, and then and then a lot of
good day games yesterday as well.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
So yeah, okay, well let's uh, let's go into that.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Then might as well just touch on the college football
because we're going to talk a lot about the Seahawks
today where they you know, a little bit about the
game that they played on Thursday and what that means,
and heading into the final couple two weeks of the
season here, we're not going to have as much time
to talk about the college football playoffs.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
But what did you feel about those first round games?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Obviously a couple somewhat snoozers, like you said, with a
couple of the G five schools, but there was a
couple of other really good games. And it's college football
playoffs for CORIGHTWT. We don't get as much of that,
so we're getting more now than we ever used to get,
so I'm pretty happy about it.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Well, I think that Friday had to hold intrigue for
local parts, right, I mean, with the boor and how
he was going to do in that rematch against Oklahoma
and pretty shocking to see them get down seventeen to nothing,
probably more shocking to see that it was thirty five
to seven or something. Tune to that thereafter. I thought
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that that was an incredible middle passage of the game.
When you know Matier, who doesn't strike me as a
great NFL prospect because it's just that funky release and
and I think there's some real accuracy issues. But he's
a thick dude. You know, he's got a little t
bow in him. And uh in terms of of his
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running ability, and uh, you know, the Alabama just looked
non competitive to start that game right, defensively right and
and then somehow they they kind of got their emotional
juju going and and uh and and it started avalanche
from there.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And and of.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
Course Ty Simpson, I think really good quarterback, great college quarterback,
plays like an NFL quarterback. One of very few Alabama
quarterbacks I've seen in a long time, saddled with no
running game that that running back stable, if you can
call him that. For to my eye, I think it's
about the worst group of running backs I've seen in Bama.
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And and so it's kind of all on the passing game.
But if you protect for ty Simpson, I mean, he
has really got some NFL skill set in terms of
his processing and mostly accurate and whatnot, so they were
able to get that offense going. I don't know, it
was it was something I did I certainly didn't expect
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once once it started that way.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, when that game did get it seemed like it
was going to be getting out of hand. And yet
maybe the biggest second half of Dubor's coaching definitely his
biggest second half of his coaching career since he's been
there at Alabama. I mean, I can't imagine what happens
if they go out there and just lay an egg.
If they played a second half the way they played
the first half. Boy, Tuscaloosa would have been up in arms.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Can you imagine what it would be like to be
him and his family had it gone like that? I mean,
I don't even know have to go to a restaurant
without getting, you know, some kind of major heckling. Yeah,
that that is. I mean, we all know, following the legend,
It's been said many times, don't follow the legend, right, Yeah, Well,
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not only that it would be hard under normal circumstance,
but now to try and get Alabama fans to realize, hey, look,
even if you had, would I say the Alabama had
a magic magic closet Ashley where fifty five year old
let me start up Nick Saban quickly seventeen years, he
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played in nine national championship games, greater than one every
two years. He won six, greater than one every three years.
He started at age fifty five, retired at seventy two.
If he could go into that magic closet, close it
or poof come back out at age fifty five. Now today,
all fifty five years old, invigorated, ready to go, he
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ain't freaking doing, you know, playing in nine titles and
winning six because it's just a different climate. And so
so Alabama fans, I don't know if they're kind of
aware of that. Maybe intellectually they are, I'm not sure
if visily they are. You know, they just have that
expectation and and they're playing on a different playing level,
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you know. And so for Debor, it compounds the the
issue of following the greatest coach of all time, and
and and and I would make that assertion just in
this regard. If you look at Bill Belichick, how many
Super Bowls and what he did without Tom Brady only
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won like forty six percent of his games, whereas Nick
Saban won seven titles with six different quarterbacks. And so
if you're comparing the two, you know, I don't think
there's any certainly in my lifetime. I mean maybe you
say Bear Bryan or Newt Rockney or something, or Frank
(08:57):
Lady or Notre Dame, you know, but but but are
aruably the greatest of all time. And now you know Saban.
Had he lost that game, as you said, yeah, Bucky,
can you imagine.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
No, No, it would not have been good and it
would have been rough, I would imagine, and who knows,
maybe he would have jumped ship. I don't think so.
I think that he's probably going to stick that out
as long as they allow him to stick it out,
and and he's for what it's worth.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's not like it's been horrible.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
It's just like you said, the the the bar has
been set so high, and yet the bar is also
unattainable to reach simply because of the climate of college football,
I mean, the way and what you have to do
to get in now. And then the fact that it's
not just a you know, we're going to vote on
it or we're going to just put you know, four
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teams in or two teams in, however the case may be.
It's still is going to be a run for whoever
it is that ends up breaching the national championship game.
So I would say that would have been interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Before you transition.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
I want to consider this that Kalin de Boor in
his coaching career at Washington and Alabama, he is seven
and two against top ten teams and he's eighteen and
three against top twenty five teams. Eighteen and three. I'm
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trying to hunt this down, but there's some sources are
saying that's the that's the best all time. I don't
don't hold me to that, but but yeah, I mean
you've got like Ryan Day is six ninety one, Dablos Sweeney, Sarkeysan,
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you know, all these guys. He's definitely number one in
all of college football in that regard. So so when
you kind of look at the record, there's a reason
why Missing was saying, hey, if you don't want him,
we'll take him.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, he definitely.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
I mean, I don't think even with the it's odd
because it's one of those you we you got to
follow Nick Saban. And so whether you're it's the visceral
reaction of well, this doesn't look like Sabin domination, or
whether it's the idea of well, okay, we got to
get like temporary expectations. To some degree, he is taking
over for a legend. It's it still doesn't seem like
(11:19):
it's probably real the way in which the reaction comes,
whether I mean, they can win a game, and if
it isn't absolutely dominant, there's going to be some Bama fans,
they are still going to be made.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
But he won.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Yeah, but sorry, I was looking to try and find
this figure a moment ago. But check this out. So
Nick Saban, Now, obviously it's a much bigger sample size.
Nick Saban against top twenty five had a seven to
thirty three win percentage. Dubor has an eight to fifty seven.
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Against top ten teams. Sabin had a seven to eleven
UH and uh a seven to eleven and Debor has
seventy eight HM. So now he's got to win championships
and all that. But and again it's certainly apples and
oranges you're talking about, you know, a multi day decade
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career versus you know, just the the four years that
that I'm I'm I'm saying that's that's power for because
I'm not I'm not talking about its Fresno State. I'm
just talking about you know, but those four years, that's
a that's a hell of an accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Well, and I mean he does get credit for it.
It's not that he can't really compare his Fresno State stuff,
because it's it doesn't it's it's comparing apples to oranges.
But he was very winning coach. That's what got him
the job here at you dub and and really an
eleven three season is not bad considering you did advance
in the first round of the playoffs against a team
that you'd lost to in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So good for him.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I think a lot of folks around here would say
they wish that he would have lost. I'm I thought
that they would win, and I'm kind of glad that
they won. I don't necessarily want wish hard times on
the guy just because he chose Alabama. That's a job
that I think a lot of people would jump ship
from a lot of different places if they had the opportunity.
You know, three other games, there was a couple, but yeah,
(13:10):
to that point, I am.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I'm aware that I'm in the minority. I want to
state that clear.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
And actually you can you can pipe in because because
I know you're a Husky as well. For me, I
look and I say, Kaylen and Borer actually started coaching
the exact same year, and I believe it was nineteen
ninety seven. It was the exact same year as Jedfish.
And you can't find anybody in the industry to say
(13:37):
a bad word about Kaylen ni Boor. You can't find
and people. There's still some people that are Washington from
when I was there, like Klan Boorr was just a
very respectful human being across the board. He did one
thing that could could draw your ire he left Washington
for Alabama. And I understand that's going to get fans
(13:58):
sideways and you're get root against forever. But let's understand this.
Jedfish did Arizona exactly what Washington did, what Kaylin did
to Washington. Agreed, we can at least say the current
head coach at Washington if we're gonna, if we're gonna
or drop the house on any I don't know. I
(14:21):
don't think it's a moral sense, but whatever it is, well,
how you want to condemn Kaylen de Boor, the acting
sitting head coach at Washington did the exact same thing.
And so I just find there's a little bit of
an inconsistency that prevents me from drawing a big distinction
between Kaylen de Boor and UH and Jedfish. Again, I'm
in the minority. I root for Kaylen de Boor.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I roomed for it.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
I think the only difference there would be in the
way that they have both presented themselves. Like Kaylen de
Boor came in and said a lot of things to
make people think he wanted to be here for a
very long time, and Jedfish has not done that. He
has been very in the moment. While I'm here, this
is what I will do, not you know, my family
and I are putting down roots here. This is going
(15:04):
to be my home, all of those things, and then
leaving a team four days after they lost the national championship,
after they thought this was going to be some program
he was building for decades, whereas Jeff Fish came in
and never promised anything really after each year.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
That's it, Okay, that's fair, And I think a lot
of people hold that view. So so let's let's go
back to in that scenario, if when when Kaylen Debor,
who had been at Sioux Falls and then had been
an offensive coordinator in Indiana and he went to Fresno State,
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he might have when he got to Washington like, whoa,
this is this is the actual, this is the big time,
and right there in those moments, he he might have
had a sincerity that you don't call light detectors, whatever
instrument you would use to gauge that that when he
said that, he genuinely thought, Hey, I you know, I
(16:05):
can't really envision a situation, a situation where I would
want to leave. Whereas I'm not saying this is the case,
but it could be the case. The jetfish comes in
and he goes, hey, I know I'm jumping first opportunity
I get. You know, there's a lot of teams I'll
leave Washington for. And so so maybe in that scenario,
(16:27):
Dubor was more sincere than Jed Fish. Now I commend
Jedfish's He's kind of he's had to walk up a tight,
you know, a balance beam that these coaches have to,
you know, just to you know, what do they say,
don't hate the player, hate the game the game is
that is that you can't win for a coach and
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how you stay. Even his comments where he spoke for
a min in forty two a few weeks ago about
you know what if you summed it up a mind
forty two and do a three seconds his three seconds
where I love Washington, you could not sum it up
saying I am committed to Washington. At no point did
he say he was committed to Washington. He just says
I love Washington, and that gives him the flexibility that
(17:08):
if if you know, Florida or Michigan had offered him
the job, then he could have taken And he said, hey,
when I said I love Washington, it was the truth.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But I think that there's.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
There's a sincerity that may have been present in Deboor.
President Debor in a real, honest, genuine belief that he
was going to be at Washington for ten or fifteen years.
He just didn't foresee that in two years he was
going to plan for the national championship. And when Saban
sat that stepped down that he would have had that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
I mean, I understand where the scorned lover is. I mean,
you sit and watch what he did in his two
years here, and you're going to be like, I don't
want him to leave, And then he does. He basically
says that that girl's better look in the new are
and I don't it's not it's not I don't think
it's necessarily a knock. I mean, Alabama, you dubs the
story program, it's not Alabama's program. And and so I
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think that there's a very likely possibility that he loves
it here, that he he enjoyed his time here, that
he probably didn't necessarily expect for it to go quite
as well as it did, and have the biggest vacancy
that is opened in I don't know, the last.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Decade of sports. It's definitely college sports.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
I would think college football didn't expect that opportunity to
open up right before him, but it did.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
So I'm not going to fall that this is is
not not an entirely implausible scenario. If somehow Michigan were
to I mean, they got they got Larry Ellison, the
richest man in California.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
His wife is a Michigan alum.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
I mean, if they want to get you know, serious
about that, they could they could in theory. Uh lure
Kalyn de boor so now in the Wars, Michigan's coach
and then Alabama Uh calls Dan Lanny. Yeah, you know
who was the Georgia defensive coordinator, but you know knows
that conference. And now all of a sudden, Dan Lanny,
(19:12):
you know, and he says, well, Phil Knights, you know
eight buying green to banana. So let me just you know,
boogy on, I'm not the guy replacing the replant like
that could happen.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
To you guys. Oh yeah, it could happen anybody.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
It could, and it would be basically the same feeling
of Debora leaving here because he has said, you know,
I'm not leaving. He used to write all this more emphatic.
Oh yeah, oh, he's I'm not leaving. There's the grass
isn't greener on the other side. He I mean, I've
read or actually heard an interview where he was talking
about he used to write he still writes all of
his goals on his bathroom mirror, and one of them
(19:47):
was NFL coach. This is back when he started as
a graduate assistant. And yet he's erased that. Apparently he's
basically came out so much and said I don't want
I don't even want to go to.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
The NFL, let alone leave Oregon. He enjoys it.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Now, after you say all that, if somebody just backs
up the brinkstruck and you decide, well, I'm gonna go
I'm gonna go ahead and change.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Yeah, I can promise you that Jen Cohen, who is
a terrific athletic director to work for, you know, for
a football coach. You know, she's she's got more testicles
than a lot a lot of dudes that are out
there as ads, including some who've been at Washington, and
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you know, I think there was more of a philosophical alignment.
And then Troy Dannon, with whom he had no personal connection,
you know, those type of things. In fact, you know,
Calendmoordon never expected that he'd have to be working for
a guy that he has no respect for.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Right, I'm with you one hundred percent. You know what,
We're going to get to a little bit more of.
We're going to get some more of those college football
playoffs stuff in the second half of the show.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We gotta find out right now, though, what's on tap
for the rest of the ya, what's on tap. What's
on tap?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Well, we are going to talk mostly Seahawks and and
mostly the NFL football, basically heading into the final couple
of weeks of the season.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
The stretch drive is here.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
We're gonna talk about I want to get Hugh and
Ashley's takes on Ken Walker's big day, if they saw
something there they think could be a breakout. We're gonna
have Greg Bell obviously to talk to Seahawks. We're gonna
have a guy named Mike Kay from the Carolina Observer
UH to talk a little bit about the Panthers. Short
week because of Christmas, we're not gonna have as much
time breaking down last week's game as we are gonna
(21:40):
be moving towards.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
We're gonna do both.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
We're gonna move towards the Carolina Panthers and what that's
all about. Mike Sando talk all NFL. We're gonna bring
back not coach Bucky because I'm not gonna ask myself
questions that would be bad radio.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
We're gonna go coach Breed Love.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
We're gonna I'm gonna ask him a bunch of different
questions and get his coaching take.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
On that whole thing.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
And then I just want to kind of towards the
end of the show, figure out where guse your guys'
heads are at with best things, things you're like in
the most about the Seahawks right now, things that concern
you the most about Seahawks football. But on the other
side of this break, we're gonna go to what is
it called the cold Turkey.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Sandwich, Borida scores.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Borda Scores.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
We're gonna find out what else happened in the NFL
around this stick around here at KGr ninety three point
three KJRFM.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
May we'll line up under center, single receivers split wide
to the right offset eye behind.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
May takes the snap, he's back, He'll hand it off.
Stevenson breaks out to the.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
Right side to the fifteenth down of the ten, picks
them a plot to the five. Stevenson the goal line.
It in touchdown Patriots. Ramondre Stevenson hunts twenty one yard
touchdown run and the Patriots are in front two to
oh seven a go. It's twenty seven twenty four New
England on the touchdown run from Ramondre Stevenson.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Thank you to Westwood one for that highlight. Uh yeah,
the Patriots are pretty legit. I think that make it
might be the real deal. He seems pretty inflappable. I
saw him last night on what's his name on the
ESPN Scott van Pelt.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Afterwards, he was interviewing him and he.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Was trying to correlate maybe a little bit of you
know what, I kind of get a Scottie Scheffler feel
out of you, which was he was He's like, I
know that's high praise, but he was talking how he
just seems like he's even when he wins, he just
kind of downplays it and he's like onto the next one.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
And when he loses, he doesn't really seem.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Like he gets too terribly flustered over it, which is
the even keel mentality you gotta have right here.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, well, I think so.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
I think that I've seen a different type of personalities.
I think he either got to be fiery, like like
a Brett Farv you know it's okay, you know, a
Baker Mayfield at his best.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You know, those types.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
I think they can inspire teammates and if that's their personality,
they gotta they gotta play that way. And then but
then there's guys that that are are kind of the
steady Eddy you know, unflappable types, and and uh and
and so there's certainly been quarterbacks that are successful in both.
But I think this being a young guy, what what
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they've done with bringing Vrabel over and and really Josh McDaniels,
if there was a you know, a Coach of the
Year for assistant coaches, he would, I would think be
in the running because, uh, you know, just you look
at what he's done in his past and now what
he's doing with Drake May, having Drake May. You know,
(24:33):
if he's not going to be the MVP, it's probably
Matthew Stafford, but he might be second.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
And and what they've done in that division, you know,
to to kind of wrest away that, uh that division
from the Bills.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I mean I never saw this coming.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Yeah, I don't think many people saw it coming this
quick by anything. I thought Rabel was a damn I
think he's a really good coach, and yet where they
were at last year for that turnaround to be where
they're at right now, I mean, he's probably in the
running for Coach the Year two.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
We're gonna actually.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Talk about that topic a little bit later, but that
was we were talking about the Patriots Ravens. Patriots ended
up beating the Ravens last night twenty twenty eight, twenty
four in Baltimore, and there was MVP chants for Drake
May on the road.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So a couple other scores.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
We're not gonna dive too terribly much into the Rams
Seahawks right now in this segment. We're gonna spend most
of the show kind of talking about that game and
what they're doing moving forward. But as everybody knows, quite
the stunner on Thursday night, where the Seahawks pulled out
a thirty eight thirty seven win at home against the
Rams to sniper first place. Moving into the final couple
weeks of the season, we got one more game tonight,
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the Niners versus Colts. Obviously some rooting interests there, considering
the Niners are still hanging around at ten and four.
Everybody around here i'm sure would like the Colts to
knock them off. There was a few other good games,
not a bunch of great games, but some of the
games did have some some very interesting stuff. The Eagles
ended up beating the Commanders twenty nine to eighteen on Saturday,
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but that Packers Bears game was a bit of a stunnard.
Did you get a chance to see that? And what
are you thinking about Caleb Williams at this point?
Speaker 6 (26:06):
You well, he's an electric talent with his his his
strength in the pocket, his elusiveness, you know, the combination there.
He has a real elite capacity to playoff script and
then uh, you know legit arm talent that you know,
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not only can he hose it when he has his
his weight behind him, he can be going in any direction.
I mean, he's mahomes like. He's I think he's mahomes
like with his arm talent, and yet he's a better
athlete than mahomes more elusive, and so yeah, I mean
there's a reason why he was the number one overall pick.
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And and now you pair him with Ben Johnson, he's
got some good targets. They're they're protecting better for him,
and and you know, I think that the maturation there's
kind of a symbolism yesterday, the throw that he had
to Dj Moore to win the game in overtime, where
he's going, you know, I mean it was by by
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a magnitude of about fifty was more difficult than the
touchdown passed that he that he had that opportunity had
against the Packers a few weeks ago, that he just
vastly underthrew and you know, and yet and yet that
that didn't destroy his confidence because that was a brutally
(27:30):
poor throw. This is about a month ago, Mamber, that
one where he underthrew it.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
And you know that.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
He's showing us more than just his physical ability, the
idea that that didn't affect him at all, that he
could come in and and do do what he did yesterday.
I mean, they've got their guy and the bears of
any franchise that you could say, they've been like wandering
in the woods for forty years. Yeah, you know, you know,
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even when they won the Super Bowl. Jim McMahon, he
went to the Pro Bowl that year, but never threw,
never had a quarterback throw for four thousand yards. And
so they've been like the like the Cleveland Browns in
a lot of ways, just you know, the the NFC
version of the Browns can't find a quarterback for decades
and decades and decades.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Now they have one.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, they wist certainly have one now.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
And another first overall pick, Trevor Lawrence ended up showing
out against my Broncos just went into mile high and
us put the smack down on him. I mean, the
Broncos defense is legit now. That's they're not incapable of
having somebody kind of run over them, not run over them,
but really kind of pick them apart a little bit.
He hasn't typically been that guy, and yet the last
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few games, for sure, five games or so, he's really
turned it on and he's starting to look like there's
a reason why he was the number one overall pick.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Well, he's been an interesting figure in the NFL because
just thinking back to you know, I think I've done
twenty seven drafts and there's only a couple where you
just say, Okay, this is a slam dunk, thought to
be a slam dunk generational, you know, no doubt like Lway,
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almost Lway type. I wouldn't say Lway level, because nobody
has been Lway level, but I would say Andrew Luck
and Trevor Lawrence are the two most coveted and most
highly thought of quarterbacks, even more so than Cam Newton.
That wasn't it wasn't a hard percent sure than Newton
was going to be the number one overall pick, but
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Andrew luck and Trevor Lawrence. It was, you know, like
a no debate about it. And he's been up, he's
been down. But I think that's been one of the
best coaching decisions that a franchise has made as well,
to get leon Colm pull him over from Tampa Bay.
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He seems to have made a huge impact on Lawrence.
So he's always had the physical traits, right, Lawrence has
always had the physical traits. He showed it as a
freshman winning the National champions at Clemson, so he's been
on the big stage, and yet he's had these perplexing
years where it just seems like he doesn't have it. Mentally,
he can't he doesn't have the feel of playing the position. Well, yeah,
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he's got the physical traits, but now the feel is
coming along and I can't help but believe that Cohen
has really accelerated that.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Yeah, well, we're going to get into more of that
when we do the little Coach Breedlove segment. That's one
of the questions I'm gonna ask you, is just the
coaching effect because we've seen it. We've just talked about,
you know, basically Ben Johnson, what he's doing with Kayleb
Williams and Liam Cohene, what he's doing there with Trevor
Lawrence and Jacksonville. I mean, the coaching aspect in the
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NFL is so much different than the coaching aspect in
the sport I played. I mean, a manager writes a lineup,
you know, you got your hitting coach. You'll teach you
a couple of things here and there, but it is
not even close. Doesn't make a big impact.
Speaker 8 (31:01):
No.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
I mean, you have some that do, but it's nothing
like what a real coach can do to an organization.
They have the little tweaks here and there, but if
you're not if you don't have it figured out like
a pretty damn good idea of what it is you're
supposed to be doing, they could be the best coach
in the world and they're not going to be able
to fix you. So we'll dive into that. That's our
nine o'clock segment. We're going to dive into a bunch
(31:23):
of different things that that one, but that is one
of the clear cut ones that I wanted to hear
your take on.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
We're not gonna get to very many more. As matter
of fact, we're not gonna get to any more of
the scores.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
There was another crazy game with the steer a Steelers
Lions that way that thing finished. We'll get into that,
I'm sure as the show goes on. But next I
want to get into a little bit of Hughes's mind
behind how ken Walker's game was this last weekend and
if he expects to see a little bit more of
that on the other side of this break at Sports
(31:53):
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, I thought one thing
we could do here in a short little segment is
celebrate ken Walker kind of the big game that he had.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Now a lot of.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Times with a running back, I feel like you're talking
about a big game like twenty carries two hundred yards.
Well he didn't get twenty carries. He got eleven carries
and and you know what, do you have three catches
for another sixty four? But a big game, I mean
big game and a couple of game changing moments in that, Hugh,
did you see anything different about him or did you
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see something different about Clint Kubiak and how they got
the ball to him?
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Well, I would say, yeah, how they got the ball
to him on the screen pass that forty six yarder
in the.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
First Yeah, they should do that again.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Yeah, well they faked the boot and then which is
faking the stretch to him, and then he kind of
has to be a little bit of an actor slowdown, like, hey,
you know, I don't really have the ball, and then
and then you're faking Sam brawled out out to side
and then kind of a what's turned off on a
throwback screen. That was a perfect play design, great call
(33:01):
at the time. You get down inside the redsid and
you score a couple of plays later. The touchdown that
he had at the beginning of the third quarter, that's
a play called duo left. It's a twelve personnel two
tight ends with the one running back. You're going over
the left guard and you're trying to get a double
team there. So as he goes over the left guard,
nice block by Sindell coming off his perfect timing. The
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motion had kind of jammed up the Rams defensive line
and the defensive line who should have been in what's
called the B gap between the guard and the tackle.
He on Bradford kind of tried to jump back into
the A gap, which exposed the B gap. So here's
Kenneth Walker. He's going, oh, here I go left guard.
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What am I seeing? And then oh no, I'm gonna
go off right guard between right guard and right tackle.
And then Cooper Cup the scheme of we talked about
in the summer. Kubiak likes to have his reduced formation,
so so Cooper Cup was very close to the ball
and from that alignment he was going to try and
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block not the corner but the safety. So fundamental football
from a RAMS perspective is that corner has to stay
outside and not lose outside leverage. But he sucks in
too far into the middle of the field and that
allowed Walker to bounce. But here's the part about it
that those of us who are Kenneth Walker advocates are,
it's your Every time you give the ball to Kenneth Walker,
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it's a roll of the dice that he finds that
crease and then he's the guy who can finish it.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
He's the guy.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Who can put the ball in the in the outfield,
like into the to the into the bleachers. That guy
can hit the home run. And you know the four
to three to five speed that he had coming out
versus Charbonnet, who was four to seven I believe, I mean,
(35:00):
that's a difference. There's the reason why they take a
forty time and he can just break that down.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
So and then they threw a.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Texas what's called a Texas route, a little angle where
he starts to the right, comes back into the middle
of the field, caught a nice thirteen yard for completion.
And then and then now you asked me, was there
something different that you remember the draw at the end
of the second.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Quarter on third and six seventeen that he got eighteen
third and sixteen?
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Was it.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
That that run was just an incredible effort by him,
incredible display of contact, balance and will to get that
first down. And now Seahawks ended up getting fumbled with cup,
so they didn get points out of it. But you know,
he certainly was at his best and had his high
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best game in the number of years.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
Yeah, that was kind of a funny moment, I thought.
I mean, typically third and sixteen it is kind of
a right live to fight another day, try to punt
the ball. And yet they ended up handing that draw
and and the crowd booze and then he runs for
one more yard than they need and then the crowd cheers.
It was pretty funny. Uh, And that angle route or whatever.
(36:15):
We call it an angle.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Route, well, some people call it an angle route Texas.
Mike would call it a Texas all the West Coast.
A lot of West Coast offense disciples out there, John Group,
you know, yeah, you know Andy Reid, you know it.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
You know it's called the Texas route or whatever.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
I used to kill my little brother with that on
Madden Football Texas. Oh yeahh yeah. He'd always blitzed his
middle linebackers and I just.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Throw it right behind him. I don't know why Clint
Kubiak hasn't right.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
Well, you call that when what's called the hook zone defender,
which is a lot like a second basement or shortstop,
and an infant that those hookszone defenders when they're trying
to widen out real fast to cover the tight ends
and and they're they're to carry you out the analogy
that the gap between the source up and the second
baseman get wider than it should. That's when a play
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caller should call that Texas rock.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, it makes sense, makes sense.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Get them running towards sideline and then boom, he puts
a swoot in the ground and goes back towards the middle.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
It was good play, a good game.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You know.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
I think everybody's hoping to see more of that, because, yeah,
the potential's there. I don't know, if he gets caught
in the backfield, uh and just doesn't get doesn't have
a chance to see that crease that he could possibly
exploit or what. But hopefully there's more where that came from.
We'll dive into more of ken Walker and what we
saw and what we're hoping to see in the future.
On the other side, we're gonna have Greg Bell and
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some headlines, So stick around here at Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM.
Good morning, folks, Good.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Morning everyone, Good morning, it's some time. Good morning class.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Lazy gentlemen, Ladies and gentlemen. Behold a producing six one
guard from Brighton, Illinois and former high school basketball stand
What in the hell does that mean?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Don't yumped any conclusions.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
No, not a god, You've got to lower lower your expectations.
Hard to believe he could once send a fastball to Pluto.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
I'm getting some Bucky jacobs and vibes and former I'll
just openly admit I'm.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
A fat, out of shaped X athlete.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Now there's been a noticeable spike in your blood pressure.
Five seven guard and a former college water polo national champions.
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A lot of useless crap up here.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
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To Welcome in Happy Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I don't think I've ever said that before.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
But it is happy Monday because Christmas is almost here.
And yeah, it probably recognized already. It's not Hugh or
it's not Chuck talking right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's me. I'm the Buck portion of the Chuck and Buck.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Chuck has taken a little bit of time off getting ready,
probably trying to reevaluate and make Santa think differently about
what he did this year.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I would imagine reevaluate his life choices.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Right, reevaluate his life choices, try to try to convince
Santa that he was good because it's you don't have
much time left and yeah, good luck.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's a lot of water under the bridge.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
One of the nice Christmas presents that our listeners get
today with Chuck being out, is not me leading the show.
We still have Ashley, So you're welcome for that. You
have been good enough that Santa deliver that. But everybody
gets their Christmas gift, and that is Hugh breedlove milon.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
For four hours.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah that's parallel to cold. But that's all right. I'll
be with you. No, good morning, good morning, good morning.
How's how was your weekend? Great weekend? Yeah, a lot,
a good lot of a lot of a lot of
great football. Got the adult.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Kids in from the East coast. Nice, you know, a
lot of family and the friend fellowship is good action
love this time of year.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
That is, you know, I got it.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
I got to hang out with you a little bit
during spring training. You know, I get basically one day
of breed love at your house, and it's wonderful. I
have always wondered what a Saturday Sunday at the mill
in house is, Like, I mean, you down in that
theater watching football?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Are you watching upstairs in the living room so you know,
the wife he can enjoy it along with you. Are
you in your computer with that that rounded screen, basically
that three sixty screen that you can just spin around
in your chair and be watching eight games at one time?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
What he does have a lot of options?
Speaker 5 (03:05):
What is your Saturday Sunday football watching experience?
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Like I think, yeah, I think it's yes, yes, and yes,
I think all of that at some point. Yeah, a
cool little media room to to to take it in
if you want to want the the immersive experience. But
you know, there's you know, you gotta gotta hang out
with the family and be in the sunshine if if
there is any at any time.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But so yeah, no, it's it's good. You know what.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
I what I what makes the the.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Experience good is good football.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
And we got some of that, and you know, certainly,
certainly Friday night the games not involving the Mountain or
excuse me, the Group of five. Uh, you know, we're
really good football, and then and then a lot of
good day games yesterday as well.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
So yeah, okay, well let's uh, let's go into that.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Then might as well just touch on the college football
because we're going to talk a lot about the Seahawks
today where they you know, a little bit about the
game that they played on Thursday and what that means,
and heading into the final couple two weeks of the
season here, we're not going to have as much time
to talk about the college football playoffs.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
But what did you feel about those first round games?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Obviously a couple somewhat snoozers, like you said, with a
couple of the G five schools, but there was a
couple of other really good games. And it's college football
playoffs for CORIGHTWT. We don't get as much of that,
so we're getting more now than we ever used to get,
so I'm pretty happy about it.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Well, I think that Friday had to hold intrigue for
local parts, right, I mean, with the boor and how
he was going to do in that rematch against Oklahoma
and pretty shocking to see them get down seventeen to nothing,
probably more shocking to see that it was thirty five
to seven or something. Tune to that thereafter. I thought
(04:58):
that that was an incredible middle passage of the game.
When you know Matier, who doesn't strike me as a
great NFL prospect because it's just that funky release and
and I think there's some real accuracy issues. But he's
a thick dude. You know, he's got a little t
bow in him. And uh in terms of of his
(05:19):
running ability, and uh, you know, the Alabama just looked
non competitive to start that game right, defensively right and
and then somehow they they kind of got their emotional
juju going and and uh and and it started avalanche
from there.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And and of.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
Course Ty Simpson, I think really good quarterback, great college quarterback,
plays like an NFL quarterback. One of very few Alabama
quarterbacks I've seen in a long time, saddled with no
running game that that running back stable, if you can
call him that. For to my eye, I think it's
about the worst group of running backs I've seen in Bama.
(05:59):
And and so it's kind of all on the passing game.
But if you protect for ty Simpson, I mean, he
has really got some NFL skill set in terms of
his processing and mostly accurate and whatnot, so they were
able to get that offense going. I don't know, it
was it was something I did I certainly didn't expect
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once once it started that way.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, when that game did get it seemed like it
was going to be getting out of hand. And yet
maybe the biggest second half of Dubor's coaching definitely his
biggest second half of his coaching career since he's been
there at Alabama. I mean, I can't imagine what happens
if they go out there and just lay an egg.
If they played a second half the way they played
the first half. Boy, Tuscaloosa would have been up in arms.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Can you imagine what it would be like to be
him and his family had it gone like that? I mean,
I don't even know have to go to a restaurant
without getting, you know, some kind of major heckling. Yeah,
that that is. I mean, we all know, following the legend,
It's been said many times, don't follow the legend, right, Yeah, Well,
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not only that it would be hard under normal circumstance,
but now to try and get Alabama fans to realize, hey, look,
even if you had, would I say the Alabama had
a magic magic closet Ashley where fifty five year old
let me start up Nick Saban quickly seventeen years, he
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played in nine national championship games, greater than one every
two years. He won six, greater than one every three years.
He started at age fifty five, retired at seventy two.
If he could go into that magic closet, close it
or poof come back out at age fifty five. Now today,
all fifty five years old, invigorated, ready to go, he
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ain't freaking doing, you know, playing in nine titles and
winning six because it's just a different climate. And so
so Alabama fans, I don't know if they're kind of
aware of that. Maybe intellectually they are, I'm not sure
if visily they are. You know, they just have that
expectation and and they're playing on a different playing level,
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you know. And so for Debor, it compounds the the
issue of following the greatest coach of all time, and
and and and I would make that assertion just in
this regard. If you look at Bill Belichick, how many
Super Bowls and what he did without Tom Brady only
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won like forty six percent of his games, whereas Nick
Saban won seven titles with six different quarterbacks. And so
if you're comparing the two, you know, I don't think
there's any certainly in my lifetime. I mean maybe you
say Bear Bryan or Newt Rockney or something, or Frank
(08:57):
Lady or Notre Dame, you know, but but but are
aruably the greatest of all time. And now you know Saban.
Had he lost that game, as you said, yeah, Bucky,
can you imagine.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
No, No, it would not have been good and it
would have been rough, I would imagine, and who knows,
maybe he would have jumped ship. I don't think so.
I think that he's probably going to stick that out
as long as they allow him to stick it out,
and and he's for what it's worth.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's not like it's been horrible.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
It's just like you said, the the the bar has
been set so high, and yet the bar is also
unattainable to reach simply because of the climate of college football,
I mean, the way and what you have to do
to get in now. And then the fact that it's
not just a you know, we're going to vote on
it or we're going to just put you know, four
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teams in or two teams in, however the case may be.
It's still is going to be a run for whoever
it is that ends up breaching the national championship game.
So I would say that would have been interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Before you transition.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
I want to consider this that Kalin de Boor in
his coaching career at Washington and Alabama, he is seven
and two against top ten teams and he's eighteen and
three against top twenty five teams. Eighteen and three. I'm
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trying to hunt this down, but there's some sources are
saying that's the that's the best all time. I don't
don't hold me to that, but but yeah, I mean
you've got like Ryan Day is six ninety one, Dablos Sweeney, Sarkeysan,
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you know, all these guys. He's definitely number one in
all of college football in that regard. So so when
you kind of look at the record, there's a reason
why Missing was saying, hey, if you don't want him,
we'll take him.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, he definitely.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
I mean, I don't think even with the it's odd
because it's one of those you we you got to
follow Nick Saban. And so whether you're it's the visceral
reaction of well, this doesn't look like Sabin domination, or
whether it's the idea of well, okay, we got to
get like temporary expectations. To some degree, he is taking
over for a legend. It's it still doesn't seem like
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it's probably real the way in which the reaction comes,
whether I mean, they can win a game, and if
it isn't absolutely dominant, there's going to be some Bama fans,
they are still going to be made.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
But he won.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Yeah, but sorry, I was looking to try and find
this figure a moment ago. But check this out. So
Nick Saban, Now, obviously it's a much bigger sample size.
Nick Saban against top twenty five had a seven to
thirty three win percentage. Dubor has an eight to fifty seven.
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Against top ten teams. Sabin had a seven to eleven
UH and uh a seven to eleven and Debor has
seventy eight HM. So now he's got to win championships
and all that. But and again it's certainly apples and
oranges you're talking about, you know, a multi day decade
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career versus you know, just the the four years that
that I'm I'm I'm saying that's that's power for because
I'm not I'm not talking about its Fresno State. I'm
just talking about you know, but those four years, that's
a that's a hell of an accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Well, and I mean he does get credit for it.
It's not that he can't really compare his Fresno State stuff,
because it's it doesn't it's it's comparing apples to oranges.
But he was very winning coach. That's what got him
the job here at you dub and and really an
eleven three season is not bad considering you did advance
in the first round of the playoffs against a team
that you'd lost to in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So good for him.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I think a lot of folks around here would say
they wish that he would have lost. I'm I thought
that they would win, and I'm kind of glad that
they won. I don't necessarily want wish hard times on
the guy just because he chose Alabama. That's a job
that I think a lot of people would jump ship
from a lot of different places if they had the opportunity.
You know, three other games, there was a couple, but yeah,
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to that point, I am.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I'm aware that I'm in the minority. I want to
state that clear.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
And actually you can you can pipe in because because
I know you're a Husky as well. For me, I
look and I say, Kaylen and Borer actually started coaching
the exact same year, and I believe it was nineteen
ninety seven. It was the exact same year as Jedfish.
And you can't find anybody in the industry to say
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a bad word about Kaylen ni Boor. You can't find
and people. There's still some people that are Washington from
when I was there, like Klan Boorr was just a
very respectful human being across the board. He did one
thing that could could draw your ire he left Washington
for Alabama. And I understand that's going to get fans
(13:58):
sideways and you're get root against forever. But let's understand this.
Jedfish did Arizona exactly what Washington did, what Kaylin did
to Washington. Agreed, we can at least say the current
head coach at Washington if we're gonna, if we're gonna
or drop the house on any I don't know. I
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don't think it's a moral sense, but whatever it is, well,
how you want to condemn Kaylen de Boor, the acting
sitting head coach at Washington did the exact same thing.
And so I just find there's a little bit of
an inconsistency that prevents me from drawing a big distinction
between Kaylen de Boor and UH and Jedfish. Again, I'm
in the minority. I root for Kaylen de Boor.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I roomed for it.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
I think the only difference there would be in the
way that they have both presented themselves. Like Kaylen de
Boor came in and said a lot of things to
make people think he wanted to be here for a
very long time, and Jedfish has not done that. He
has been very in the moment. While I'm here, this
is what I will do, not you know, my family
and I are putting down roots here. This is going
(15:04):
to be my home, all of those things, and then
leaving a team four days after they lost the national championship,
after they thought this was going to be some program
he was building for decades, whereas Jeff Fish came in
and never promised anything really after each year.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
That's it, Okay, that's fair, And I think a lot
of people hold that view. So so let's let's go
back to in that scenario, if when when Kaylen Debor,
who had been at Sioux Falls and then had been
an offensive coordinator in Indiana and he went to Fresno State,
(15:42):
he might have when he got to Washington like, whoa,
this is this is the actual, this is the big time,
and right there in those moments, he he might have
had a sincerity that you don't call light detectors, whatever
instrument you would use to gauge that that when he
said that, he genuinely thought, Hey, I you know, I
(16:05):
can't really envision a situation, a situation where I would
want to leave. Whereas I'm not saying this is the case,
but it could be the case. The jetfish comes in
and he goes, hey, I know I'm jumping first opportunity
I get. You know, there's a lot of teams I'll
leave Washington for. And so so maybe in that scenario,
(16:27):
Dubor was more sincere than Jed Fish. Now I commend
Jedfish's He's kind of he's had to walk up a tight,
you know, a balance beam that these coaches have to,
you know, just to you know, what do they say,
don't hate the player, hate the game the game is
that is that you can't win for a coach and
(16:48):
how you stay. Even his comments where he spoke for
a min in forty two a few weeks ago about
you know what if you summed it up a mind
forty two and do a three seconds his three seconds
where I love Washington, you could not sum it up
saying I am committed to Washington. At no point did
he say he was committed to Washington. He just says
I love Washington, and that gives him the flexibility that
(17:08):
if if you know, Florida or Michigan had offered him
the job, then he could have taken And he said, hey,
when I said I love Washington, it was the truth.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But I think that there's.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
There's a sincerity that may have been present in Deboor.
President Debor in a real, honest, genuine belief that he
was going to be at Washington for ten or fifteen years.
He just didn't foresee that in two years he was
going to plan for the national championship. And when Saban
sat that stepped down that he would have had that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
I mean, I understand where the scorned lover is. I mean,
you sit and watch what he did in his two
years here, and you're going to be like, I don't
want him to leave, And then he does. He basically
says that that girl's better look in the new are
and I don't it's not it's not I don't think
it's necessarily a knock. I mean, Alabama, you dubs the
story program, it's not Alabama's program. And and so I
(18:09):
think that there's a very likely possibility that he loves
it here, that he he enjoyed his time here, that
he probably didn't necessarily expect for it to go quite
as well as it did, and have the biggest vacancy
that is opened in I don't know, the last.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Decade of sports. It's definitely college sports.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
I would think college football didn't expect that opportunity to
open up right before him, but it did.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
So I'm not going to fall that this is is
not not an entirely implausible scenario. If somehow Michigan were
to I mean, they got they got Larry Ellison, the
richest man in California.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
His wife is a Michigan alum.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
I mean, if they want to get you know, serious
about that, they could they could in theory. Uh lure
Kalyn de boor so now in the Wars, Michigan's coach
and then Alabama Uh calls Dan Lanny. Yeah, you know
who was the Georgia defensive coordinator, but you know knows
that conference. And now all of a sudden, Dan Lanny,
(19:12):
you know, and he says, well, Phil Knights, you know
eight buying green to banana. So let me just you know,
boogy on, I'm not the guy replacing the replant like
that could happen.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
To you guys. Oh yeah, it could happen anybody.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
It could, and it would be basically the same feeling
of Debora leaving here because he has said, you know,
I'm not leaving. He used to write all this more emphatic.
Oh yeah, oh, he's I'm not leaving. There's the grass
isn't greener on the other side. He I mean, I've
read or actually heard an interview where he was talking
about he used to write he still writes all of
his goals on his bathroom mirror, and one of them
(19:47):
was NFL coach. This is back when he started as
a graduate assistant. And yet he's erased that. Apparently he's
basically came out so much and said I don't want
I don't even want to go to.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
The NFL, let alone leave Oregon. He enjoys it.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Now, after you say all that, if somebody just backs
up the brinkstruck and you decide, well, I'm gonna go
I'm gonna go ahead and change.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Yeah, I can promise you that Jen Cohen, who is
a terrific athletic director to work for, you know, for
a football coach. You know, she's she's got more testicles
than a lot a lot of dudes that are out
there as ads, including some who've been at Washington, and
(20:33):
you know, I think there was more of a philosophical alignment.
And then Troy Dannon, with whom he had no personal connection,
you know, those type of things. In fact, you know,
Calendmoordon never expected that he'd have to be working for
a guy that he has no respect for.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Right, I'm with you one hundred percent. You know what,
We're going to get to a little bit more of.
We're going to get some more of those college football
playoffs stuff in the second half of the show.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We gotta find out right now, though, what's on tap
for the rest of the ya, what's on tap. What's
on tap?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Well, we are going to talk mostly Seahawks and and
mostly the NFL football, basically heading into the final couple
of weeks of the season.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
The stretch drive is here.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
We're gonna talk about I want to get Hugh and
Ashley's takes on Ken Walker's big day, if they saw
something there they think could be a breakout. We're gonna
have Greg Bell obviously to talk to Seahawks. We're gonna
have a guy named Mike Kay from the Carolina Observer
UH to talk a little bit about the Panthers. Short
week because of Christmas, we're not gonna have as much
time breaking down last week's game as we are gonna
(21:40):
be moving towards.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
We're gonna do both.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
We're gonna move towards the Carolina Panthers and what that's
all about. Mike Sando talk all NFL. We're gonna bring
back not coach Bucky because I'm not gonna ask myself
questions that would be bad radio.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
We're gonna go coach Breed Love.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
We're gonna I'm gonna ask him a bunch of different
questions and get his coaching take.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
On that whole thing.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
And then I just want to kind of towards the
end of the show, figure out where guse your guys'
heads are at with best things, things you're like in
the most about the Seahawks right now, things that concern
you the most about Seahawks football. But on the other
side of this break, we're gonna go to what is
it called the cold Turkey.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Sandwich, Borida scores.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Borda Scores.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
We're gonna find out what else happened in the NFL
around this stick around here at KGr ninety three point
three KJRFM.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
May we'll line up under center, single receivers split wide
to the right offset eye behind.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
May takes the snap, he's back, He'll hand it off.
Stevenson breaks out to the.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
Right side to the fifteenth down of the ten, picks
them a plot to the five. Stevenson the goal line.
It in touchdown Patriots. Ramondre Stevenson hunts twenty one yard
touchdown run and the Patriots are in front two to
oh seven a go. It's twenty seven twenty four New
England on the touchdown run from Ramondre Stevenson.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Thank you to Westwood one for that highlight. Uh yeah,
the Patriots are pretty legit. I think that make it
might be the real deal. He seems pretty inflappable. I
saw him last night on what's his name on the
ESPN Scott van Pelt.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Afterwards, he was interviewing him and he.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Was trying to correlate maybe a little bit of you
know what, I kind of get a Scottie Scheffler feel
out of you, which was he was He's like, I
know that's high praise, but he was talking how he
just seems like he's even when he wins, he just
kind of downplays it and he's like onto the next one.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
And when he loses, he doesn't really seem.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Like he gets too terribly flustered over it, which is
the even keel mentality you gotta have right here.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, well, I think so.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
I think that I've seen a different type of personalities.
I think he either got to be fiery, like like
a Brett Farv you know it's okay, you know, a
Baker Mayfield at his best.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You know, those types.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
I think they can inspire teammates and if that's their personality,
they gotta they gotta play that way. And then but
then there's guys that that are are kind of the
steady Eddy you know, unflappable types, and and uh and
and so there's certainly been quarterbacks that are successful in both.
But I think this being a young guy, what what
(24:11):
they've done with bringing Vrabel over and and really Josh McDaniels,
if there was a you know, a Coach of the
Year for assistant coaches, he would, I would think be
in the running because, uh, you know, just you look
at what he's done in his past and now what
he's doing with Drake May, having Drake May. You know,
(24:33):
if he's not going to be the MVP, it's probably
Matthew Stafford, but he might be second.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
And and what they've done in that division, you know,
to to kind of wrest away that, uh that division
from the Bills.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I mean I never saw this coming.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Yeah, I don't think many people saw it coming this
quick by anything. I thought Rabel was a damn I
think he's a really good coach, and yet where they
were at last year for that turnaround to be where
they're at right now, I mean, he's probably in the
running for Coach the Year two.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
We're gonna actually.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Talk about that topic a little bit later, but that
was we were talking about the Patriots Ravens. Patriots ended
up beating the Ravens last night twenty twenty eight, twenty
four in Baltimore, and there was MVP chants for Drake
May on the road.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So a couple other scores.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
We're not gonna dive too terribly much into the Rams
Seahawks right now in this segment. We're gonna spend most
of the show kind of talking about that game and
what they're doing moving forward. But as everybody knows, quite
the stunner on Thursday night, where the Seahawks pulled out
a thirty eight thirty seven win at home against the
Rams to sniper first place. Moving into the final couple
weeks of the season, we got one more game tonight,
(25:39):
the Niners versus Colts. Obviously some rooting interests there, considering
the Niners are still hanging around at ten and four.
Everybody around here i'm sure would like the Colts to
knock them off. There was a few other good games,
not a bunch of great games, but some of the
games did have some some very interesting stuff. The Eagles
ended up beating the Commanders twenty nine to eighteen on Saturday,
(25:59):
but that Packers Bears game was a bit of a stunnard.
Did you get a chance to see that? And what
are you thinking about Caleb Williams at this point?
Speaker 6 (26:06):
You well, he's an electric talent with his his his
strength in the pocket, his elusiveness, you know, the combination there.
He has a real elite capacity to playoff script and
then uh, you know legit arm talent that you know,
(26:27):
not only can he hose it when he has his
his weight behind him, he can be going in any direction.
I mean, he's mahomes like. He's I think he's mahomes
like with his arm talent, and yet he's a better
athlete than mahomes more elusive, and so yeah, I mean
there's a reason why he was the number one overall pick.
(26:48):
And and now you pair him with Ben Johnson, he's
got some good targets. They're they're protecting better for him,
and and you know, I think that the maturation there's
kind of a symbolism yesterday, the throw that he had
to Dj Moore to win the game in overtime, where
he's going, you know, I mean it was by by
(27:08):
a magnitude of about fifty was more difficult than the
touchdown passed that he that he had that opportunity had
against the Packers a few weeks ago, that he just
vastly underthrew and you know, and yet and yet that
that didn't destroy his confidence because that was a brutally
(27:30):
poor throw. This is about a month ago, Mamber, that
one where he underthrew it.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
And you know that.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
He's showing us more than just his physical ability, the
idea that that didn't affect him at all, that he
could come in and and do do what he did yesterday.
I mean, they've got their guy and the bears of
any franchise that you could say, they've been like wandering
in the woods for forty years. Yeah, you know, you know,
(27:59):
even when they won the Super Bowl. Jim McMahon, he
went to the Pro Bowl that year, but never threw,
never had a quarterback throw for four thousand yards. And
so they've been like the like the Cleveland Browns in
a lot of ways, just you know, the the NFC
version of the Browns can't find a quarterback for decades
and decades and decades.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Now they have one.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, they wist certainly have one now.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
And another first overall pick, Trevor Lawrence ended up showing
out against my Broncos just went into mile high and
us put the smack down on him. I mean, the
Broncos defense is legit now. That's they're not incapable of
having somebody kind of run over them, not run over them,
but really kind of pick them apart a little bit.
He hasn't typically been that guy, and yet the last
(28:45):
few games, for sure, five games or so, he's really
turned it on and he's starting to look like there's
a reason why he was the number one overall pick.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
Well, he's been an interesting figure in the NFL because
just thinking back to you know, I think I've done
twenty seven drafts and there's only a couple where you
just say, Okay, this is a slam dunk, thought to
be a slam dunk generational, you know, no doubt like Lway,
(29:16):
almost Lway type. I wouldn't say Lway level, because nobody
has been Lway level, but I would say Andrew Luck
and Trevor Lawrence are the two most coveted and most
highly thought of quarterbacks, even more so than Cam Newton.
That wasn't it wasn't a hard percent sure than Newton
was going to be the number one overall pick, but
(29:38):
Andrew luck and Trevor Lawrence. It was, you know, like
a no debate about it. And he's been up, he's
been down. But I think that's been one of the
best coaching decisions that a franchise has made as well,
to get leon Colm pull him over from Tampa Bay.
(29:58):
He seems to have made a huge impact on Lawrence.
So he's always had the physical traits, right, Lawrence has
always had the physical traits. He showed it as a
freshman winning the National champions at Clemson, so he's been
on the big stage, and yet he's had these perplexing
years where it just seems like he doesn't have it. Mentally,
he can't he doesn't have the feel of playing the position. Well, yeah,
(30:20):
he's got the physical traits, but now the feel is
coming along and I can't help but believe that Cohen
has really accelerated that.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Yeah, well, we're going to get into more of that
when we do the little Coach Breedlove segment. That's one
of the questions I'm gonna ask you, is just the
coaching effect because we've seen it. We've just talked about,
you know, basically Ben Johnson, what he's doing with Kayleb
Williams and Liam Cohene, what he's doing there with Trevor
Lawrence and Jacksonville. I mean, the coaching aspect in the
(30:49):
NFL is so much different than the coaching aspect in
the sport I played. I mean, a manager writes a lineup,
you know, you got your hitting coach. You'll teach you
a couple of things here and there, but it is
not even close. Doesn't make a big impact.
Speaker 8 (31:01):
No.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
I mean, you have some that do, but it's nothing
like what a real coach can do to an organization.
They have the little tweaks here and there, but if
you're not if you don't have it figured out like
a pretty damn good idea of what it is you're
supposed to be doing, they could be the best coach
in the world and they're not going to be able
to fix you. So we'll dive into that. That's our
nine o'clock segment. We're going to dive into a bunch
(31:23):
of different things that that one, but that is one
of the clear cut ones that I wanted to hear
your take on.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
We're not gonna get to very many more. As matter
of fact, we're not gonna get to any more of
the scores.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
There was another crazy game with the steer a Steelers
Lions that way that thing finished. We'll get into that,
I'm sure as the show goes on. But next I
want to get into a little bit of Hughes's mind
behind how ken Walker's game was this last weekend and
if he expects to see a little bit more of
that on the other side of this break at Sports
(31:53):
Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, I thought one thing
we could do here in a short little segment is
celebrate ken Walker kind of the big game that he had.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Now a lot of.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Times with a running back, I feel like you're talking
about a big game like twenty carries two hundred yards.
Well he didn't get twenty carries. He got eleven carries
and and you know what, do you have three catches
for another sixty four? But a big game, I mean
big game and a couple of game changing moments in that, Hugh,
did you see anything different about him or did you
(32:23):
see something different about Clint Kubiak and how they got
the ball to him?
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Well, I would say, yeah, how they got the ball
to him on the screen pass that forty six yarder
in the.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
First Yeah, they should do that again.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Yeah, well they faked the boot and then which is
faking the stretch to him, and then he kind of
has to be a little bit of an actor slowdown, like, hey,
you know, I don't really have the ball, and then
and then you're faking Sam brawled out out to side
and then kind of a what's turned off on a
throwback screen. That was a perfect play design, great call
(33:01):
at the time. You get down inside the redsid and
you score a couple of plays later. The touchdown that
he had at the beginning of the third quarter, that's
a play called duo left. It's a twelve personnel two
tight ends with the one running back. You're going over
the left guard and you're trying to get a double
team there. So as he goes over the left guard,
nice block by Sindell coming off his perfect timing. The
(33:26):
motion had kind of jammed up the Rams defensive line
and the defensive line who should have been in what's
called the B gap between the guard and the tackle.
He on Bradford kind of tried to jump back into
the A gap, which exposed the B gap. So here's
Kenneth Walker. He's going, oh, here I go left guard.
(33:48):
What am I seeing? And then oh no, I'm gonna
go off right guard between right guard and right tackle.
And then Cooper Cup the scheme of we talked about
in the summer. Kubiak likes to have his reduced formation,
so so Cooper Cup was very close to the ball
and from that alignment he was going to try and
(34:11):
block not the corner but the safety. So fundamental football
from a RAMS perspective is that corner has to stay
outside and not lose outside leverage. But he sucks in
too far into the middle of the field and that
allowed Walker to bounce. But here's the part about it
that those of us who are Kenneth Walker advocates are,
it's your Every time you give the ball to Kenneth Walker,
(34:34):
it's a roll of the dice that he finds that
crease and then he's the guy who can finish it.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
He's the guy.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Who can put the ball in the in the outfield,
like into the to the into the bleachers. That guy
can hit the home run. And you know the four
to three to five speed that he had coming out
versus Charbonnet, who was four to seven I believe, I mean,
(35:00):
that's a difference. There's the reason why they take a
forty time and he can just break that down.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
So and then they threw a.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Texas what's called a Texas route, a little angle where
he starts to the right, comes back into the middle
of the field, caught a nice thirteen yard for completion.
And then and then now you asked me, was there
something different that you remember the draw at the end
of the second.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Quarter on third and six seventeen that he got eighteen
third and sixteen?
Speaker 8 (35:27):
Was it.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
That that run was just an incredible effort by him,
incredible display of contact, balance and will to get that
first down. And now Seahawks ended up getting fumbled with cup,
so they didn get points out of it. But you know,
he certainly was at his best and had his high
(35:52):
best game in the number of years.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
Yeah, that was kind of a funny moment, I thought.
I mean, typically third and sixteen it is kind of
a right live to fight another day, try to punt
the ball. And yet they ended up handing that draw
and and the crowd booze and then he runs for
one more yard than they need and then the crowd cheers.
It was pretty funny. Uh, And that angle route or whatever.
(36:15):
We call it an angle.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Route, well, some people call it an angle route Texas.
Mike would call it a Texas all the West Coast.
A lot of West Coast offense disciples out there, John Group,
you know, yeah, you know Andy Reid, you know it.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
You know it's called the Texas route or whatever.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
I used to kill my little brother with that on
Madden Football Texas. Oh yeahh yeah. He'd always blitzed his
middle linebackers and I just.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Throw it right behind him. I don't know why Clint
Kubiak hasn't right.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
Well, you call that when what's called the hook zone defender,
which is a lot like a second basement or shortstop,
and an infant that those hookszone defenders when they're trying
to widen out real fast to cover the tight ends
and and they're they're to carry you out the analogy
that the gap between the source up and the second
baseman get wider than it should. That's when a play
(37:05):
caller should call that Texas rock.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, it makes sense, makes sense.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Get them running towards sideline and then boom, he puts
a swoot in the ground and goes back towards the middle.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
It was good play, a good game.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You know.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
I think everybody's hoping to see more of that, because, yeah,
the potential's there. I don't know, if he gets caught
in the backfield, uh and just doesn't get doesn't have
a chance to see that crease that he could possibly
exploit or what. But hopefully there's more where that came from.
We'll dive into more of ken Walker and what we
saw and what we're hoping to see in the future.
On the other side, we're gonna have Greg Bell and
(37:36):
some headlines, So stick around here at Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM.
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