December 29, 2025 • 37 mins
It’s time to MMQB with HUGH MILLEN How did Hugh feel about the Seahawks getting their 13th win on the road against Carolina? We have to start with the defense. Was there anything in particular that Mike MacDonald and the defense did to confuse the Panthers? It was another game with some Darnold turnovers, has Hugh’s level of concern increased? How would Hugh grade Sam for the season, on yesterday’s performance and who gets a lower grade? :30- We are back with Hugh for more MMQB- Is AJ Barner Mr Reliable? JSN keeps finding a way…. Now, about that facemask penalty! :45- Next up, the Seahawks face the 49ers- how dangerous is this San Francisco team?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:53):
All right, good morning, a live radio for you here.
That's right, Monday Morning Quarterback session. Ashley Ryan's here, Bucky
Jacob said, my name is Chuck Powellin for the next
couple of hours, the best of the business. Mike Homeran
at nine o'clock and Hugh Millan ur QB one, joining
us now to discuss Seahawks football. We got a game
to recap, we got a game to preview. Man, we
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got a lot to discuss. The theater of the National
Football League. They do have a way of making it
awfully entertaining. And joining us now on the program is
our QB one. Good morning, Hugh, good morning. Great to
be with you. Oh man, what a show the NFL
put on this weekend. We got another one coming up
here this upcoming weekend. But let's talk to Seahawks twenty
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seven to ten over the Carolina Panthers. Where does the
conversation start with Hugh Millan about this game?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well, I think you just have to acknowledge the defense Carolina.
They didn't look real good obviously. Seattle just dominated a
team that was fighting for their division. That was a
team that a couple weeks ago they put up thirty
one points again and st the Rams in a victory
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at home. And you know, they beat green Bay on
the road when green Bay was flying high. I mean
they have They've been over thirty points on four games.
I mean, they you would think on paper they have
a high ceiling and Seattle just made them look like
a JV team. Certainly, their offense and I mean the
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air yards on completions for Carolina average negative one point
two total negative seventeen like okay, like like they they
just shut down everything and you know, one third down
conversion for the entire game. So the performance by the
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defense is just breathtaking. Now, does Carolina have a breathtaking offense. No,
but as I said, they have, they have shown glimpses
where they have a high ceiling and Seattle said, we're
having none of that. So that that would be my
first thought is congratulations to the Seahawks. You beat a
team on the road after having played a very emotional
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game against the Rams, a team that's, you know, playing
for first place in their division. And I don't think
it's to go in said that in the National Football League.
You win by seventeen points on the road. In those circumstances,
you just have to tip your hat.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, I'm with you, And yet to me, the there's
a jekyl in Hyde aspect of the Panther. I haven't
watched every single game, but I've watched enough of them
and seen enough highlights of you know, them getting beat
forty to nine by the Buffalo Bills. Now that's a
good team at times, and they can do that to somebody.
But they also lost both games to the Norland Saints
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and didn't do a whole heck of a lot offensively
against them either. So it feels to me like you
don't know for sure what you're gonna get, and yet
your only job is to go out and make them
look like the lower end of their ceiling, whatever that is,
or the floor you want to make them look like.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
That certainly did.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Is there anything in particular that you saw that Mike
McDonald did that was ultimately really confusing to Bryce Young
and the rest of that offense.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Well, I think that they.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Took away the deep ball, and you know, they played
mostly zone when they played man, they gloved it up
pretty good. I think they communicated very well. I mean
the Seahawks, the difference between them at home and on
the road defensively, I mean, they they allow, you know,
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under sixteen points on the road, they're over twenty points.
At home. They're the EPA. You know, at home is
negative six point nine to six, but on the road
is thirty nine. That probably doesn't mean a lot, but
expected point. It's added. I mean, there's a lot of
statistics where you just go. These guys are a lot
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better on the road than at home. And I think
part of it is a communication. Obviously, can communicate better
on the road, and so I think they just they
had everything covered and then when they forced a lot
of the checkdowns were to the swings. I mean he
had out in the flat and relative open space. Tyokatta
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on a swing, great tackle. Uh Witherspoon in the flat
with a lot of space, great tackle on a third down.
Ernest Jones manned the man coverage out on a swing,
great tackle. Even Nuosa on a third down, buzzing out
on a on a on a zone blitz, He's got
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the flat. He makes a great tackle. So they were
they tackled well in the flat after having induced the
the the checkdowns for for Bryce Young, and I think
in Bryce Young they just made him look I mean
just a tiny but but slow. I mean, if you're
gonna be that small, you better be Kyler Murray twitchy.
He didn't look fast, he didn't look big, his arm
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looked weak, he looked tentative. I mean, if if we
were doing Carolina Radio, I'd say, please, don't make the
mistakes the Dolphins Dolphins did with Tua, like like, no,
this guy is not worth the second contract, you know.
And so at an event, I think that they just
a great communication. They're healthy on defense. I mean, if
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you'd have told me going into week seventeen that and
I don't want to diminish or diss Kobe Bryant, he
has been a really good player for them. But if
you said that's the only guy that's that you're concerned
about from a health standpoint, sign me up. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And so you know, they got a lot of dudes
now that even the younger you know, Okata and Drake Thomas,
who you know, weren't starters at to begin with, but
now they just they're really keen on their reads and
they're playing with no hesitation. It's a fun group to watch, obviously,
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Hugh Mellon is with us our QB one Monday morning
quarterback session as there's so much talk about with the
Seattle Seahawks, and so there's still more to talk about
with the defense.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
But let's get to the other side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Because it was an ugly first half for sure, just
three points at halftime, just one hundred and twenty five
passing yards for the entire game. I think that I
say this without hesitation. This radio show here in Seattle,
this morning show, Ashley Bucky, myself probably are the more
pro Sam Darnold, let it rip group that you're gonna
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find on a daily basis here in Seattle. And yet
there's certainly that narrative about too many turnovers. And I'm
wondering if you, who've been the leader of the I'm
not worried about this brigade, is there any reason to
start worrying about it as you're getting ready for these
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crucial games starting on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I'm not as worried about the turnovers as I am,
just the general lack of cohesion. I mean, in the
first nine games of the year, Sam Darnold's passer rating
on the aggregate was one hundred and fourteen. In eight
of those nine games, his passer rating was over eighty five.
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And by the way, you know you run the correlation
numbers to winning and passer eight. Even though passer rating
is a relic, it's been around since nineteen seventy. It
stands the test of time, and there is high correlation.
So passer rating is absolutely a worthwhile statistic. In the
last seven games, remember reminder, eight of nine have been
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over eighty five in the last seven games starting with
the RAM game. In so far, only two of seven
have been over eighty five, and the average has been
eighty four. So you go from one hundred and fourteen
to eighty four. You've lost thirty points on your average
passing game, the difference between the first nine games and
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the last seven. So clearly you can't you can't just
you know, just kind of blow those statistics under the
the carpet. I mean, that's real, real stuff. And and
I think that they're not getting the big plays. Uh certainly,
you know, after watching the tape, that is not a
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resume for Clint Kubiak if he was trying to get
a higher job. He just that you know, there's details
about their their offense that are just the difference between
winning and losing. And they got double slant. Mike Holmgren
would call it lion. You know, you got the the
the receivers are too close to each other, so they're
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stacked on top of each other. When they won the
slant on a on a on a wide receiver screen
that left tackle and my entire life, I mean that
coaches at high school, I have never seen Josh Josh Jones.
I've never seen the left tackle on a tunnel screen
not go get the whitest guy the corner and then
let the guard get the the next inside guy. But
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there was Josh Jones getting the the the overhanged fender
and waiting for Gray's able to try and get to
the widest guy. I mean, that's that's that's that's a
new one on me. I think, uh uh, the failure
to see there they were. The Carolina was playing on
a lot of coverage what's called quarter quarter half. Some
people call it cover six. I say, okay, I might've
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lost some people. What that means is you're rolling to
one half of the field and you're putting a corner
down in the flat on one side and the safety
over the top, so you're double covering on that side,
but on the opposite side you're allowing free access and
and you gotta you gotta go take the out routes
on that and and there was they kept trying to
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work the middle of the field in Carolina. The one
thing they did well defensively, they they kind of bottle
up the middle of the field. I don't think Seattle
exploited the outside. They were only they were seven and
nine going outside the numbers, but only fifty six yards passing.
And you know, and Darnald had shown on the third
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play of the game. I mean he had this beautiful
intermediate speed out to the sideline and from the right
hash to the far left. I mean, Darnald can make
that throw. I think they needed to call that more.
There was another time with Rashizi he before he got hurt,
he had a four step out route. Good looking play
out there. It's it's a quarters beater. And and yet
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I think that they should have called that more. Certainly
they should have called more deep balls because I wrote
I'm writing I can't even tell you all the times
that that I write in the note. Squat squad is
a term that that is kind of a ubiquitous term
for quarterbacks, and it describes a corner who is who
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is sitting at a certain depth maybe before the snap
of the ball, maybe at seven yards, maybe a slight
back pedal, but he's not really honoring the deep ball.
He's keeping his hips and his shoulders parallel to the line, scrimmage,
ready to drive from the top down, eager to drive
from the top down. And you got to run go routes.
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You just have to do it. And and even if
you know, you know, throw it up, you might get
a p I, what have you. But you got to
loosen them up. And and number two and number eight
J C. Horn and our buddy Mike Jackson, a former Seahawk,
just were squatting all day. And they did it to
Cooper Cup, they did it to Jasn, they did it
to Derek Young and so that that is a part
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of it. And then you say, well, where's the double moves? Well,
they finally, oh my gosh, so they finally get to
the double move, which what's what's Carolina was just dying,
you know, begging you to do a double move. They
do it in the red zone. They get the interception,
and I'll just leave myself because I know you're gonna
ask me the interception. A lot going on there, uh,
And so they call a slug o to JSN on
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on the outside based on how the the corners for
Carolina had been playing when they were in off coverage.
That again where they're you know, seven yards hips parallel
to the line of scrimmage. How based on how they
were playing, that would be a good call there. But
on this particular time, they're playing at what's called a
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press bail, and press bail means that I'm Sam Darnold,
I'm in the shotgun. Out to my left, there's Mike Jackson.
He is pressed up on Jackson Smith and Jigba my
widest receiver to the left. To the way that that
you would say they were susceptible is if he was
off coverage. He's not off coverage, but right before the
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snap of the ball he bails out. The term is
called press bail. It's a zone zone uh parlance and
and lexicon if you will. And when you bail knees out,
excuse me, knees in and asks out. You're looking back
at the quarterback, but your your body is retreating away.
So when you start to go to slant your your
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momentum as a cornerback, you're already taking yourself away from
the line of scrimmage. And so they call the play
that they should have called several times, but it just
happened to come up against the wrong coverage, and so Darnald's.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Got to be aware of that.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
He's got a check down. But but what ends up
happening is when Jasn comes out of it, he's faking
a slant SLUGO is in a word conjunction slant and go,
and he's faking and Mike Jackson.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
So on top of the route.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
The JSN by his body language, he starts to throttle
down and he says, throw it to me back shoulder.
I'm not I'm never gonna get on top of this guy.
The idea is that that had the corner been off
Mike Jackson at seven yards, you come up your three step,
he's he triggers down and then you go outside of
him and you get an easy touchdown. That's how you
you drew it up, and how you practiced on Friday
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in red zone practice and and but that's not the
look they get. So now Jasn, as I said, he is, uh,
he's trying to throttle down, expecting throw it on my
back shoulder, and dar Donald is thinking, throw it up
to the back of the end zone. And I'll add
one more component to the the uh, the the play
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that I think was vital, and then I'll stop and
cast my breath. That Donald was in the shotgun and
he had Canine to his right. He also had two
tight ends to the right. Canine had to come from
the right across his face to block the n man
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online Scrimmage, who was lined up like a linebacker happened
to be a safety, but the left tackle, Jones, was
blocking down inside their turn protecting. That means you're asking
Canine to start from the right, go in front of
the quarterback's face. And now this there's a blow up
like a grenade from from Donald's perspective, and this is
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happening in his lap, his arm gets hit, He's everything
like this. This block by Canine is happening literally right
in his lap. It's a poor scheme to have that
him to have to do that on that play. You
need to have him on the other side or turn
the protection from not left to right, but right to left.
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And then Canine, who's on the right and he's happens
to be on the double tight end side. That end
that he would have to block is way far removed
from the quarterback. You just don't want to have that protection.
So there was a lot of things going on in
that interception that doesn't bother me. It's the lack of
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cohesion and the idea that you're only you know, you're
under two hundred yards and your efficiency is poor' that's
kind of where I am.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Okay, well, I mean I'll stay with Darnold just to
finish this second. I mean, just overarching, if you had
to give him a grade, because to me, it's you
got to let it rip. And yet at times that
means that things are going to happen, whether they're your
fault there is a bad decision, or whether it was
a good defensive play called on the other side of things.
To me, the situational awareness, if you're backed up against
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your own goal line, you can't turn the ball over
there right, whether it's you know, getting rid of it
so you're not getting hit and fumbling, or you're throwing
it into you know, a dangerous situation where all of
a sudden their team has a short field and they're
going to have points on the board, or when you
are down there getting ready to score and that like
that interception was and you essentially are kind of taking
points off the board. If you just had to say
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what Sam Darnold's overall situational awareness his decision making based
on where you're at on the field and the situation
of the game. You're giving him an A over the
course of the season. B See where where's he at?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Oh, over the course of the season. Yeah, yeah, I'd
give him an AH. Look, you're you're, you're you're setting
a franchise record for points already and you still have
the week to go. You're where are they in terms
of points? There are they? Top two in the NFL
and points. You know, for most of the season they hit.
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He had been number one in net yards per attempt.
I think he's number two now, So I would say
for the season. I mean, this is a guy it
looks you're right now, you're the number one seed in
the NFC, and you know he's over his last forty starts,
he's thirty one and nine. So yeah, if you want
to say for the season, he's had an as he's
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a Pro Bowl. You know, he's he's the number two
guy in the conference at the Pro Bowl, voted number
two behind Matthew Stafford. So so I can't give him
less than an A for all of that. Now, if
you want to say yesterday, no, it wasn't an a.
Now I don't like, you know, boot left hell, they
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do more boot lefts than TUA does boot lefts down
in Miami. Why do you start the game with with
with the boot left and from a formation in the
front where the you know, it's an odd front and
the end man online of scrimmage, who you're trying to
get to suck down inside for a second, and what's
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called reduce, You're trying to get him to reduce. He's
so stinking wide on his alignment before you snap the
ball that you're never gonna get that play without him
in your face. And so so I just think there
was just a bunch of stuff that I you want
to talk about bad grades, I'd give Clint Kubiak a
bad grade. He just you know, his play calling for
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what what Carolina was doing. You know, I've already kind
of touched on some of it. But I would say,
for Darnold yesterday, by NFL standard, you know, that's that's
B minus, you know, somewhere in there. But but I
think that there's a lot of quarterbacks who you put
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him in in underneath the center and let him be
the Seaak quarterback yesterday that they wouldn't have looked any better.
A lot of quarterbacks that you think are damn good
wouldn't have had a good game either. Based on what
he confess it was there a couple misreads where I thought, okay, yeah,
there was a couple of a couple of reads where
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if he was just bang on with his timing, there
were some opportunities from some any intermediate stuff. But I
think he also was operating from a very dirty pocket
on a consistent basis, And so yeah, that concerns me going,
you know, moving forward.
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Speaker 6 (20:45):
Traditional full back running back look, and Darnold's gonna throw
it hits us open man, it's Burner tunning it the touchdown.
Thus settle of offenses come alive.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Bown, CBS Ports on the call. Seahawks do win at
twenty seven to ten. It had come alive thanks to
the defense creating a couple of short fields and then
fourteen points in the third quarter. Seahawks end up running
away with it twenty seven to ten over the Carolina Panthers.
And we are here to break it all down for
you on Monday morning quarterback as Hugh Millen Mike Holmgren
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with us for the next couple of hours. We got
QB one with us right now and a lot more
to discuss. We've already discussed how great the defense was.
Hugh gave Sam Darnold to be minus for yesterday, but
an A for the season.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I can agree with both of those. Andy gave Clint
Kubiek yesterday a lower grade than a B minus.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Let's just keep it there, let's keep it above the
belt lower. But let's get into some of the cool
things that happened there offense. But I would talk about
a little bit about a J. Barner because he made
a couple big plays. I thought one of the biggest
plays of the game was a completion to him on
third down and nine. Then of course he had the
touchdown reception as well.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Hugh and I think he.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Might be as good as Aaron Rodgers at the hard
count under center because he's always getting people to jump
off side for a tight end.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
He's amazing at the hard count. Hugh.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, he's not going to impress me until he can.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
He can he can.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Watch guys run off the field the twelfth man and
then snap the ball and throw a go right off
the sideline. But yeah, allah, Aaron Rodgers, I've never seen
anybody before since they can do that. Who has a
feel for who's on the field and isn't. But yeah,
you're you're right. He Barner is constantly a guy that
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when things are jammed up, it's like, just get the
ball to Barner. How many times this season? I mean,
I've got the text I have with my buddies at
halftime to prove it. I'm like, Barner's always the guy
that gets you out of the out of your out
of the mud, you know. And and so it's he's
really a talented guy. And and uh, you know, I
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think that touchdown it was a boot right, thank you,
it's a right handed quarterback, thank you, And you know,
hit him in the flat and held a job by
Cooper Cup making a block on that play, and and uh,
you know Barnard just didn't plays with a lot of confidence,
big good looking athlete.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, uh yeah he is.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
And and Jackson Smith and Jagba finds his way, you know,
into a nice little stat line.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Again.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Uh, I mean, is this just what you're seeing so
far out of him? Just basically par for the course.
I mean, it doesn't matter who they're going to go
up against, what the defense tries to do. Do you
still see him putting up good numbers regardless of whether
or not he's shut down early in the game or whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, because he's proven it, and and he's just so
heady and his ball skills are so elite. And and uh,
I would say with him yesterday, as I said, I
would have liked to have seen more outbreaking routes. There's
you know, there was a squat on a play that
where he's coming up and some people call it a
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shake route where he could come up. It's intermediate fifteen
seventeen yards where you start to break in and the
corner's supposed to break in with you and then you
break out. And as I said, they're just squatting, they're
just pitching a tent right there. And that would be
the part where somebody's got to communicate to kubiak k
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we got to throw a nine route. A nine route
is the go route and even if you don't hit it,
to loosen those up. So yeah, I would have liked
to have seen more outbreaking routes and I just want
to see, you know, particularly the way they reduce the split.
If you have JSN on what's that spray release where
he lines up closer to the formation, but then he
widens and he gets the corner's feet, thinking, Okay, is
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he widened me because I want to have an he
wants to create space for an inbreaking rounde or is
he widened me trying to get leverage for an outbreaking route.
If he does that spray release and then he just
goes on a go route, just call it and throw
it just to loosen everything up for the rest of
the game.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, his biggest contribution to the game might have been
getting his face mask grabbed, because that was a huge
play in the contest. Carolina, even though they'd gotten dominated
on one side of the ball, they had just scored
a touchdown, They got the ball back.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
They got the Seahawks at third.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
And twenty one and J. C. Horn, who's their only
pro bowler, picked the worst time for a dumb penalty
of fifteen yard face mask penalty that freed up the Seahawks,
And pretty much that was pretty much the game.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I wrote down on my notes game over at that point.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
That's how big that play felt at the time, Carolina
having lost all of their momentum, and the Seahawks from
there just kind of cruised offensively.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, my notes say, pog playoff game right, wow, And
well you just kind of knew it, particularly at that point,
as you said, seventeen to ten, ten oh three remaining,
and they had just sacked Donald and so oddly that
play was an RPO of such. It was a called
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running play just to get a draw and punt the ball,
and the corner was kind of off and Donald just
took it and threw it sideways on a little smoke
A little now and so now the face masks. But
just in the interest of accuracy, the face mask is
either nothing or it's fifteen yards. The five yard face
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mask that was taken out in two thousand and eight.
So there's no like him selling the play so that
he could get the fifteen yards as opposed to a five.
Once the official sees the hand that the head rather snaps,
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even just a little bit, it's fifteen yards. And I
don't think that JSN sold that. I think his helmet
legitimately got Yanks. You know, I can't say that for sure,
but what I can say for sure is that there
was no discretion for the official to be able to
quote to determine between five yards and fifteen. We haven't
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had that in the game for seventeen years.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well, they ended up marching down the field and getting
the field goal. What stood out to you about that
drive in particular? I mean, there was an eighteen yard
beauty to JSN. There was another blown officials call because
Cooper Cup got interfered with in the end zone and
they didn't call it, And then they acted like they
were going to go for it on fourth and five,
and I'm like, Mike, this is not a good time
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to be going for it on fourth down and five.
But they were just trying to draw them off sides
and end up kicking the field goal to put him
up two scores. What stood out to you about that drive, Improty, Yeah,
it will I'll just go backwards.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah. On that. I was like, there's no way they're
snapping that ball. Do not snap that ball? No way,
like we had a Hey, yeah, we had a sure
like they were going to do. I'm like, no, there's
no way he's fight snapping that football. But but I
would just say, you know, it's more of Donald of
You could make a build a pretty good argument that
he's at his best in the clutch times and the
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in route that he threw to JSN on a third
down on that tenure. Seattle really blew that because there's
no way that anybody, you know, they come up late
and to Donald's left, they've got edge pressure, and so
the center goes right and the left guard terms what's
called fan where he goes what? They leave the a
gap wide open for the three tech who's ninety four
(28:55):
for for Carolina. Ninety four comes in and just totally
untouched and Donald just stares right down the and and
that dude ninety four put his helmet right in his
freaking sc joint the stern up called vickiar right below
your Adams apple and uh and Donald just smoked it
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in there and uh and got the first down and
then on a boot right Uh again boot right. Can
I emphasize the right part of boot right? Donald, he
was getting chased. Ideally, you'd like to on those boots.
You'd like to be I don't want to say jogging,
but you don't want to be running full speed because
you're not going to be as accurate you wanted to be.
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You want to be you know, yes, accelerating to get
out there, but by the time you throw, you don't
want to have to be throwing full speed. You want
to be able to dial it down. When I coached
high school, uh with with the quarterbacks and and the
way I've been taught, Hey, sprint those first few steps,
but then kind of like, uh, don't put on the brakes,
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but just like a car where you take your foot
off the gas, you just kind of you're just you
just kind of idle or coast, I guess would be
the word. But you're kind of barely slowing down as
you're throwing. Then you're more accate. He had to keep
sprinting on that play. And usually the over route that's
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coming from the back side most of the time, that's
at about eleven twelve yards. So you got the quarterback,
you're faking the run to the left, right handed quarterback.
He's sprinting out towards the right sideline. He's got Jasn,
who had started on the left side. He's running a
crossing route and when you hit that usually it's at
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twelve yards. JSN took that deeper and he caught that
right at the sideline for eighteen yards. That was basically
seventeen and a half and so Darnald on the full speed,
had to look off a defender running full speed and
smoke it right over on the sideline. That was a
big time throw. So you could argue his two biggest
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throws were on the drive that meant the most in
the game. And that's not the first time we've said
that this season.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Man, man all right.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Hugh millanis with us Mike joins US coach Holmgren at
nine o'clock here today. I do want to spend a
little bit of time with just you talking about this
next game.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
I hear it's a pretty big one. Sports Radio ninety
three point three kJ R f M.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
Hitting these these benchmarks.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
It's going to be the same message to.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
The team because that's what's got us to this point,
and we're gonna do everything in our in our in
our power to go win this one and we'll go
play the next one. You know, But that's that's a message.
It takes one hundred percent of everybody, all the time,
every week. So nothing changes this week. But one of
our goals is to win the division. You know, it's
gonna come down to if we win the game, win
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the division. So we'll let the the.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Next goal here.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
That buck one from you, everybody, arnold you all about nineties.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Actually it's not enough, it's not good enough. I'm not
going to give my Saturday. You melon's going to give
it a hundred percent?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Well, yeah, he always do is Yeah, and it'll probably
be the difference in whether or not we went or
not on Saturday. All right, So forty nine ers everything
at stake, The entire freedom of the universe is at stake.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
What's what do you what do you think is going
to go down on Saturday?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Here?
Speaker 5 (32:23):
At least give me some keys to what to expect.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Well, I think the forty nine ers have been remarkable.
They're kind of like an octopus. You cut off an
arm and it just regrows. It doesn't seem to matter
what future Hall of Famer they lose. They just keep
on trucking. And the idea that they're even in the
position they ind is a hell of a testament to them.
That really speaks to what they have in terms of
(32:50):
how they have united. Obviously speaks to coaching. But you know,
the idea that you would lose Bosa and Warner warners
for sure Hall of Fame. Bosa is probably a Hall
of Famer. They got a kittles out. I mean, Trent
Williams is probably the best left tackle of this generation.
(33:11):
I mean, it just goes They're not just losing starters,
they're losing Hall of Fame balance starters. And yet they
keep they keep on truck and they've got a quarterback
we talk very unique brand of quarterbacking. He doesn't have
a great skill set in the traditional sense. That's why
he was mister irrelevant. Not big, not terribly fast, although
(33:34):
I think he's pretty shifty. Certainly does not have a
strong arm, way way way below the median. In fact,
probably if you had a velocity test, probably the weakest
arm of every starting quarterback in the NFL in terms
of just being a raw horsepower to drive a ball.
But he plays within an extraordinary anticipation. He can throw
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layered balls, because you know, it's almost like I liken
it to a golfer that would much rather be at
one hundred and ten yards. A pro golfer much rather
be at one hundred and ten yards than fifty five yards, right,
because they can take a full swing. Well, Rock Purdy
can throw it as hard as he can in these
deep intermediate over the middle throws, and it has just
(34:20):
the right amount of an arc, just a little bit
of a touch to throw it over the underneath layer
and then in front of the back layer. I mean,
he's when he's on, there's a fun brand of quarterbacking
from him because he pushes the ball down the field.
So it's not gonna be fun if he's doing that
this Sunday. But yeah, I think there's a hell of
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a lot of reason to be concerned. I think where
Seattle's offense has been, you know, you know, they're just
kind of stuck in the mud. And meanwhile San Francisco,
I mean they are cruising, They're they're in sixth gear offensively.
So I think I think it's a big concern.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
This could be a bad question, but I don't care.
I'll ask it anyways, because I know that there's not
a set like this is always the way it is
one way or the other. But from your perspective all
the time that you played and now all the time
that you analyzing football, when a team's doing a rematch,
is it typically the offense that gets to make more
(35:19):
adjustments based on what they saw or does a defense
typically get to make more adjustments?
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Horrible question.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I'm sure, No, it's not a horrible question. I love
the question. I just I'm not sure that I've given
that thought. I think that because I think both sides
are constantly trying to make adjustments, and I think that
you know, Kyle Shanahan, I think he's going to go
after Josh Job. I think he's going to try and
match up Drake Thomas in coverage. I think he's going
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to try and match up Ernest Jones. I mean that's
that's where he was fed that, that matchup type of
outlook on the game. He was fed that through his
Biblical court, learning from Mike and and and he's just
that that's just how he rolls. And so they've been
able to get you know, wheel routes and corner route
(36:12):
sail routes. They they can flood zones and hit those intermediates,
and and party's got the aggression to hit it. You know,
Kyle Shanahan always thinks there's a buffet at the table
in terms of people that he can attack. And that's
just his mindset and and and so I think that
based on how they've been cruising and protecting further quarterback,
(36:36):
I can see why he would think that.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
All right, since he asked you a tricky question, I'll
close out the hour by asking you one of.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
The easiest questions you've ever been asked? Would you ever
consider wearing one of Cam Newton's hats and public.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah on October thirty birds. Yes, Yes, yes, absolutely, I
love Holliday parties.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Alright, that's you're right.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
That was the easiest question asked.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:53):
All right, good morning, a live radio for you here.
That's right, Monday Morning Quarterback session. Ashley Ryan's here, Bucky
Jacob said, my name is Chuck Powellin for the next
couple of hours, the best of the business. Mike Homeran
at nine o'clock and Hugh Millan ur QB one, joining
us now to discuss Seahawks football. We got a game
to recap, we got a game to preview. Man, we
(01:14):
got a lot to discuss. The theater of the National
Football League. They do have a way of making it
awfully entertaining. And joining us now on the program is
our QB one. Good morning, Hugh, good morning. Great to
be with you. Oh man, what a show the NFL
put on this weekend. We got another one coming up
here this upcoming weekend. But let's talk to Seahawks twenty
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seven to ten over the Carolina Panthers. Where does the
conversation start with Hugh Millan about this game?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well, I think you just have to acknowledge the defense Carolina.
They didn't look real good obviously. Seattle just dominated a
team that was fighting for their division. That was a
team that a couple weeks ago they put up thirty
one points again and st the Rams in a victory
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at home. And you know, they beat green Bay on
the road when green Bay was flying high. I mean
they have They've been over thirty points on four games.
I mean, they you would think on paper they have
a high ceiling and Seattle just made them look like
a JV team. Certainly, their offense and I mean the
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air yards on completions for Carolina average negative one point
two total negative seventeen like okay, like like they they
just shut down everything and you know, one third down
conversion for the entire game. So the performance by the
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defense is just breathtaking. Now, does Carolina have a breathtaking offense. No,
but as I said, they have, they have shown glimpses
where they have a high ceiling and Seattle said, we're
having none of that. So that that would be my
first thought is congratulations to the Seahawks. You beat a
team on the road after having played a very emotional
(03:08):
game against the Rams, a team that's, you know, playing
for first place in their division. And I don't think
it's to go in said that in the National Football League.
You win by seventeen points on the road. In those circumstances,
you just have to tip your hat.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, I'm with you, And yet to me, the there's
a jekyl in Hyde aspect of the Panther. I haven't
watched every single game, but I've watched enough of them
and seen enough highlights of you know, them getting beat
forty to nine by the Buffalo Bills. Now that's a
good team at times, and they can do that to somebody.
But they also lost both games to the Norland Saints
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and didn't do a whole heck of a lot offensively
against them either. So it feels to me like you
don't know for sure what you're gonna get, and yet
your only job is to go out and make them
look like the lower end of their ceiling, whatever that is,
or the floor you want to make them look like.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
That certainly did.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Is there anything in particular that you saw that Mike
McDonald did that was ultimately really confusing to Bryce Young
and the rest of that offense.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Well, I think that they.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Took away the deep ball, and you know, they played
mostly zone when they played man, they gloved it up
pretty good. I think they communicated very well. I mean
the Seahawks, the difference between them at home and on
the road defensively, I mean, they they allow, you know,
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under sixteen points on the road, they're over twenty points.
At home. They're the EPA. You know, at home is
negative six point nine to six, but on the road
is thirty nine. That probably doesn't mean a lot, but
expected point. It's added. I mean, there's a lot of
statistics where you just go. These guys are a lot
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better on the road than at home. And I think
part of it is a communication. Obviously, can communicate better
on the road, and so I think they just they
had everything covered and then when they forced a lot
of the checkdowns were to the swings. I mean he
had out in the flat and relative open space. Tyokatta
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on a swing, great tackle. Uh Witherspoon in the flat
with a lot of space, great tackle on a third down.
Ernest Jones manned the man coverage out on a swing,
great tackle. Even Nuosa on a third down, buzzing out
on a on a on a zone blitz, He's got
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the flat. He makes a great tackle. So they were
they tackled well in the flat after having induced the
the the checkdowns for for Bryce Young, and I think
in Bryce Young they just made him look I mean
just a tiny but but slow. I mean, if you're
gonna be that small, you better be Kyler Murray twitchy.
He didn't look fast, he didn't look big, his arm
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looked weak, he looked tentative. I mean, if if we
were doing Carolina Radio, I'd say, please, don't make the
mistakes the Dolphins Dolphins did with Tua, like like, no,
this guy is not worth the second contract, you know.
And so at an event, I think that they just
a great communication. They're healthy on defense. I mean, if
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you'd have told me going into week seventeen that and
I don't want to diminish or diss Kobe Bryant, he
has been a really good player for them. But if
you said that's the only guy that's that you're concerned
about from a health standpoint, sign me up. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And so you know, they got a lot of dudes
now that even the younger you know, Okata and Drake Thomas,
who you know, weren't starters at to begin with, but
now they just they're really keen on their reads and
they're playing with no hesitation. It's a fun group to watch, obviously,
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Hugh Mellon is with us our QB one Monday morning
quarterback session as there's so much talk about with the
Seattle Seahawks, and so there's still more to talk about
with the defense.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
But let's get to the other side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Because it was an ugly first half for sure, just
three points at halftime, just one hundred and twenty five
passing yards for the entire game. I think that I
say this without hesitation. This radio show here in Seattle,
this morning show, Ashley Bucky, myself probably are the more
pro Sam Darnold, let it rip group that you're gonna
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find on a daily basis here in Seattle. And yet
there's certainly that narrative about too many turnovers. And I'm
wondering if you, who've been the leader of the I'm
not worried about this brigade, is there any reason to
start worrying about it as you're getting ready for these
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crucial games starting on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I'm not as worried about the turnovers as I am,
just the general lack of cohesion. I mean, in the
first nine games of the year, Sam Darnold's passer rating
on the aggregate was one hundred and fourteen. In eight
of those nine games, his passer rating was over eighty five.
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And by the way, you know you run the correlation
numbers to winning and passer eight. Even though passer rating
is a relic, it's been around since nineteen seventy. It
stands the test of time, and there is high correlation.
So passer rating is absolutely a worthwhile statistic. In the
last seven games, remember reminder, eight of nine have been
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over eighty five in the last seven games starting with
the RAM game. In so far, only two of seven
have been over eighty five, and the average has been
eighty four. So you go from one hundred and fourteen
to eighty four. You've lost thirty points on your average
passing game, the difference between the first nine games and
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the last seven. So clearly you can't you can't just
you know, just kind of blow those statistics under the
the carpet. I mean, that's real, real stuff. And and
I think that they're not getting the big plays. Uh certainly,
you know, after watching the tape, that is not a
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resume for Clint Kubiak if he was trying to get
a higher job. He just that you know, there's details
about their their offense that are just the difference between
winning and losing. And they got double slant. Mike Holmgren
would call it lion. You know, you got the the
the receivers are too close to each other, so they're
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stacked on top of each other. When they won the
slant on a on a on a wide receiver screen
that left tackle and my entire life, I mean that
coaches at high school, I have never seen Josh Josh Jones.
I've never seen the left tackle on a tunnel screen
not go get the whitest guy the corner and then
let the guard get the the next inside guy. But
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there was Josh Jones getting the the the overhanged fender
and waiting for Gray's able to try and get to
the widest guy. I mean, that's that's that's that's a
new one on me. I think, uh uh, the failure
to see there they were. The Carolina was playing on
a lot of coverage what's called quarter quarter half. Some
people call it cover six. I say, okay, I might've
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lost some people. What that means is you're rolling to
one half of the field and you're putting a corner
down in the flat on one side and the safety
over the top, so you're double covering on that side,
but on the opposite side you're allowing free access and
and you gotta you gotta go take the out routes
on that and and there was they kept trying to
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work the middle of the field in Carolina. The one
thing they did well defensively, they they kind of bottle
up the middle of the field. I don't think Seattle
exploited the outside. They were only they were seven and
nine going outside the numbers, but only fifty six yards passing.
And you know, and Darnald had shown on the third
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play of the game. I mean he had this beautiful
intermediate speed out to the sideline and from the right
hash to the far left. I mean, Darnald can make
that throw. I think they needed to call that more.
There was another time with Rashizi he before he got hurt,
he had a four step out route. Good looking play
out there. It's it's a quarters beater. And and yet
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I think that they should have called that more. Certainly
they should have called more deep balls because I wrote
I'm writing I can't even tell you all the times
that that I write in the note. Squat squad is
a term that that is kind of a ubiquitous term
for quarterbacks, and it describes a corner who is who
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is sitting at a certain depth maybe before the snap
of the ball, maybe at seven yards, maybe a slight
back pedal, but he's not really honoring the deep ball.
He's keeping his hips and his shoulders parallel to the line, scrimmage,
ready to drive from the top down, eager to drive
from the top down. And you got to run go routes.
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You just have to do it. And and even if
you know, you know, throw it up, you might get
a p I, what have you. But you got to
loosen them up. And and number two and number eight
J C. Horn and our buddy Mike Jackson, a former Seahawk,
just were squatting all day. And they did it to
Cooper Cup, they did it to Jasn, they did it
to Derek Young and so that that is a part
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of it. And then you say, well, where's the double moves? Well,
they finally, oh my gosh, so they finally get to
the double move, which what's what's Carolina was just dying,
you know, begging you to do a double move. They
do it in the red zone. They get the interception,
and I'll just leave myself because I know you're gonna
ask me the interception. A lot going on there, uh,
And so they call a slug o to JSN on
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on the outside based on how the the corners for
Carolina had been playing when they were in off coverage.
That again where they're you know, seven yards hips parallel
to the line of scrimmage. How based on how they
were playing, that would be a good call there. But
on this particular time, they're playing at what's called a
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press bail, and press bail means that I'm Sam Darnold,
I'm in the shotgun. Out to my left, there's Mike Jackson.
He is pressed up on Jackson Smith and Jigba my
widest receiver to the left. To the way that that
you would say they were susceptible is if he was
off coverage. He's not off coverage, but right before the
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snap of the ball he bails out. The term is
called press bail. It's a zone zone uh parlance and
and lexicon if you will. And when you bail knees out,
excuse me, knees in and asks out. You're looking back
at the quarterback, but your your body is retreating away.
So when you start to go to slant your your
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momentum as a cornerback, you're already taking yourself away from
the line of scrimmage. And so they call the play
that they should have called several times, but it just
happened to come up against the wrong coverage, and so Darnald's.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Got to be aware of that.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
He's got a check down. But but what ends up
happening is when Jasn comes out of it, he's faking
a slant SLUGO is in a word conjunction slant and go,
and he's faking and Mike Jackson.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
So on top of the route.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
The JSN by his body language, he starts to throttle
down and he says, throw it to me back shoulder.
I'm not I'm never gonna get on top of this guy.
The idea is that that had the corner been off
Mike Jackson at seven yards, you come up your three step,
he's he triggers down and then you go outside of
him and you get an easy touchdown. That's how you
you drew it up, and how you practiced on Friday
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in red zone practice and and but that's not the
look they get. So now Jasn, as I said, he is, uh,
he's trying to throttle down, expecting throw it on my
back shoulder, and dar Donald is thinking, throw it up
to the back of the end zone. And I'll add
one more component to the the uh, the the play
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that I think was vital, and then I'll stop and
cast my breath. That Donald was in the shotgun and
he had Canine to his right. He also had two
tight ends to the right. Canine had to come from
the right across his face to block the n man
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online Scrimmage, who was lined up like a linebacker happened
to be a safety, but the left tackle, Jones, was
blocking down inside their turn protecting. That means you're asking
Canine to start from the right, go in front of
the quarterback's face. And now this there's a blow up
like a grenade from from Donald's perspective, and this is
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happening in his lap, his arm gets hit, He's everything
like this. This block by Canine is happening literally right
in his lap. It's a poor scheme to have that
him to have to do that on that play. You
need to have him on the other side or turn
the protection from not left to right, but right to left.
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And then Canine, who's on the right and he's happens
to be on the double tight end side. That end
that he would have to block is way far removed
from the quarterback. You just don't want to have that protection.
So there was a lot of things going on in
that interception that doesn't bother me. It's the lack of
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cohesion and the idea that you're only you know, you're
under two hundred yards and your efficiency is poor' that's
kind of where I am.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Okay, well, I mean I'll stay with Darnold just to
finish this second. I mean, just overarching, if you had
to give him a grade, because to me, it's you
got to let it rip. And yet at times that
means that things are going to happen, whether they're your
fault there is a bad decision, or whether it was
a good defensive play called on the other side of things.
To me, the situational awareness, if you're backed up against
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your own goal line, you can't turn the ball over
there right, whether it's you know, getting rid of it
so you're not getting hit and fumbling, or you're throwing
it into you know, a dangerous situation where all of
a sudden their team has a short field and they're
going to have points on the board, or when you
are down there getting ready to score and that like
that interception was and you essentially are kind of taking
points off the board. If you just had to say
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what Sam Darnold's overall situational awareness his decision making based
on where you're at on the field and the situation
of the game. You're giving him an A over the
course of the season. B See where where's he at?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Oh, over the course of the season. Yeah, yeah, I'd
give him an AH. Look, you're you're, you're you're setting
a franchise record for points already and you still have
the week to go. You're where are they in terms
of points? There are they? Top two in the NFL
and points. You know, for most of the season they hit.
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He had been number one in net yards per attempt.
I think he's number two now, So I would say
for the season. I mean, this is a guy it
looks you're right now, you're the number one seed in
the NFC, and you know he's over his last forty starts,
he's thirty one and nine. So yeah, if you want
to say for the season, he's had an as he's
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a Pro Bowl. You know, he's he's the number two
guy in the conference at the Pro Bowl, voted number
two behind Matthew Stafford. So so I can't give him
less than an A for all of that. Now, if
you want to say yesterday, no, it wasn't an a.
Now I don't like, you know, boot left hell, they
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do more boot lefts than TUA does boot lefts down
in Miami. Why do you start the game with with
with the boot left and from a formation in the
front where the you know, it's an odd front and
the end man online of scrimmage, who you're trying to
get to suck down inside for a second, and what's
(19:04):
called reduce, You're trying to get him to reduce. He's
so stinking wide on his alignment before you snap the
ball that you're never gonna get that play without him
in your face. And so so I just think there
was just a bunch of stuff that I you want
to talk about bad grades, I'd give Clint Kubiak a
bad grade. He just you know, his play calling for
(19:24):
what what Carolina was doing. You know, I've already kind
of touched on some of it. But I would say,
for Darnold yesterday, by NFL standard, you know, that's that's
B minus, you know, somewhere in there. But but I
think that there's a lot of quarterbacks who you put
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him in in underneath the center and let him be
the Seaak quarterback yesterday that they wouldn't have looked any better.
A lot of quarterbacks that you think are damn good
wouldn't have had a good game either. Based on what
he confess it was there a couple misreads where I thought, okay, yeah,
there was a couple of a couple of reads where
(20:07):
if he was just bang on with his timing, there
were some opportunities from some any intermediate stuff. But I
think he also was operating from a very dirty pocket
on a consistent basis, And so yeah, that concerns me going,
you know, moving forward.
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Speaker 6 (20:45):
Traditional full back running back look, and Darnold's gonna throw
it hits us open man, it's Burner tunning it the touchdown.
Thus settle of offenses come alive.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Bown, CBS Ports on the call. Seahawks do win at
twenty seven to ten. It had come alive thanks to
the defense creating a couple of short fields and then
fourteen points in the third quarter. Seahawks end up running
away with it twenty seven to ten over the Carolina Panthers.
And we are here to break it all down for
you on Monday morning quarterback as Hugh Millen Mike Holmgren
(21:27):
with us for the next couple of hours. We got
QB one with us right now and a lot more
to discuss. We've already discussed how great the defense was.
Hugh gave Sam Darnold to be minus for yesterday, but
an A for the season.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I can agree with both of those. Andy gave Clint
Kubiek yesterday a lower grade than a B minus.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Let's just keep it there, let's keep it above the
belt lower. But let's get into some of the cool
things that happened there offense. But I would talk about
a little bit about a J. Barner because he made
a couple big plays. I thought one of the biggest
plays of the game was a completion to him on
third down and nine. Then of course he had the
touchdown reception as well.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Hugh and I think he.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Might be as good as Aaron Rodgers at the hard
count under center because he's always getting people to jump
off side for a tight end.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
He's amazing at the hard count. Hugh.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, he's not going to impress me until he can.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
He can he can.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Watch guys run off the field the twelfth man and
then snap the ball and throw a go right off
the sideline. But yeah, allah, Aaron Rodgers, I've never seen
anybody before since they can do that. Who has a
feel for who's on the field and isn't. But yeah,
you're you're right. He Barner is constantly a guy that
(22:46):
when things are jammed up, it's like, just get the
ball to Barner. How many times this season? I mean,
I've got the text I have with my buddies at
halftime to prove it. I'm like, Barner's always the guy
that gets you out of the out of your out
of the mud, you know. And and so it's he's
really a talented guy. And and uh, you know, I
(23:09):
think that touchdown it was a boot right, thank you,
it's a right handed quarterback, thank you, And you know,
hit him in the flat and held a job by
Cooper Cup making a block on that play, and and uh,
you know Barnard just didn't plays with a lot of confidence,
big good looking athlete.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, uh yeah he is.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
And and Jackson Smith and Jagba finds his way, you know,
into a nice little stat line.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Again.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Uh, I mean, is this just what you're seeing so
far out of him? Just basically par for the course.
I mean, it doesn't matter who they're going to go
up against, what the defense tries to do. Do you
still see him putting up good numbers regardless of whether
or not he's shut down early in the game or whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, because he's proven it, and and he's just so
heady and his ball skills are so elite. And and uh,
I would say with him yesterday, as I said, I
would have liked to have seen more outbreaking routes. There's
you know, there was a squat on a play that
where he's coming up and some people call it a
(24:09):
shake route where he could come up. It's intermediate fifteen
seventeen yards where you start to break in and the
corner's supposed to break in with you and then you
break out. And as I said, they're just squatting, they're
just pitching a tent right there. And that would be
the part where somebody's got to communicate to kubiak k
(24:29):
we got to throw a nine route. A nine route
is the go route and even if you don't hit it,
to loosen those up. So yeah, I would have liked
to have seen more outbreaking routes and I just want
to see, you know, particularly the way they reduce the split.
If you have JSN on what's that spray release where
he lines up closer to the formation, but then he
widens and he gets the corner's feet, thinking, Okay, is
(24:54):
he widened me because I want to have an he
wants to create space for an inbreaking rounde or is
he widened me trying to get leverage for an outbreaking route.
If he does that spray release and then he just
goes on a go route, just call it and throw
it just to loosen everything up for the rest of
the game.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, his biggest contribution to the game might have been
getting his face mask grabbed, because that was a huge
play in the contest. Carolina, even though they'd gotten dominated
on one side of the ball, they had just scored
a touchdown, They got the ball back.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
They got the Seahawks at third.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
And twenty one and J. C. Horn, who's their only
pro bowler, picked the worst time for a dumb penalty
of fifteen yard face mask penalty that freed up the Seahawks,
And pretty much that was pretty much the game.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I wrote down on my notes game over at that point.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
That's how big that play felt at the time, Carolina
having lost all of their momentum, and the Seahawks from
there just kind of cruised offensively.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, my notes say, pog playoff game right, wow, And
well you just kind of knew it, particularly at that point,
as you said, seventeen to ten, ten oh three remaining,
and they had just sacked Donald and so oddly that
play was an RPO of such. It was a called
(26:24):
running play just to get a draw and punt the ball,
and the corner was kind of off and Donald just
took it and threw it sideways on a little smoke
A little now and so now the face masks. But
just in the interest of accuracy, the face mask is
either nothing or it's fifteen yards. The five yard face
(26:48):
mask that was taken out in two thousand and eight.
So there's no like him selling the play so that
he could get the fifteen yards as opposed to a five.
Once the official sees the hand that the head rather snaps,
(27:08):
even just a little bit, it's fifteen yards. And I
don't think that JSN sold that. I think his helmet
legitimately got Yanks. You know, I can't say that for sure,
but what I can say for sure is that there
was no discretion for the official to be able to
quote to determine between five yards and fifteen. We haven't
(27:30):
had that in the game for seventeen years.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well, they ended up marching down the field and getting
the field goal. What stood out to you about that
drive in particular? I mean, there was an eighteen yard
beauty to JSN. There was another blown officials call because
Cooper Cup got interfered with in the end zone and
they didn't call it, And then they acted like they
were going to go for it on fourth and five,
and I'm like, Mike, this is not a good time
(27:56):
to be going for it on fourth down and five.
But they were just trying to draw them off sides
and end up kicking the field goal to put him
up two scores. What stood out to you about that drive, Improty, Yeah,
it will I'll just go backwards.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah. On that. I was like, there's no way they're
snapping that ball. Do not snap that ball? No way,
like we had a Hey, yeah, we had a sure
like they were going to do. I'm like, no, there's
no way he's fight snapping that football. But but I
would just say, you know, it's more of Donald of
You could make a build a pretty good argument that
he's at his best in the clutch times and the
(28:33):
in route that he threw to JSN on a third
down on that tenure. Seattle really blew that because there's
no way that anybody, you know, they come up late
and to Donald's left, they've got edge pressure, and so
the center goes right and the left guard terms what's
called fan where he goes what? They leave the a
gap wide open for the three tech who's ninety four
(28:55):
for for Carolina. Ninety four comes in and just totally
untouched and Donald just stares right down the and and
that dude ninety four put his helmet right in his
freaking sc joint the stern up called vickiar right below
your Adams apple and uh and Donald just smoked it
(29:17):
in there and uh and got the first down and
then on a boot right Uh again boot right. Can
I emphasize the right part of boot right? Donald, he
was getting chased. Ideally, you'd like to on those boots.
You'd like to be I don't want to say jogging,
but you don't want to be running full speed because
you're not going to be as accurate you wanted to be.
(29:38):
You want to be you know, yes, accelerating to get
out there, but by the time you throw, you don't
want to have to be throwing full speed. You want
to be able to dial it down. When I coached
high school, uh with with the quarterbacks and and the
way I've been taught, Hey, sprint those first few steps,
but then kind of like, uh, don't put on the brakes,
(29:59):
but just like a car where you take your foot
off the gas, you just kind of you're just you
just kind of idle or coast, I guess would be
the word. But you're kind of barely slowing down as
you're throwing. Then you're more accate. He had to keep
sprinting on that play. And usually the over route that's
(30:20):
coming from the back side most of the time, that's
at about eleven twelve yards. So you got the quarterback,
you're faking the run to the left, right handed quarterback.
He's sprinting out towards the right sideline. He's got Jasn,
who had started on the left side. He's running a
crossing route and when you hit that usually it's at
(30:40):
twelve yards. JSN took that deeper and he caught that
right at the sideline for eighteen yards. That was basically
seventeen and a half and so Darnald on the full speed,
had to look off a defender running full speed and
smoke it right over on the sideline. That was a
big time throw. So you could argue his two biggest
(31:01):
throws were on the drive that meant the most in
the game. And that's not the first time we've said
that this season.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Man, man all right.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Hugh millanis with us Mike joins US coach Holmgren at
nine o'clock here today. I do want to spend a
little bit of time with just you talking about this
next game.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
I hear it's a pretty big one. Sports Radio ninety
three point three kJ R f M.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
Hitting these these benchmarks.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
It's going to be the same message to.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
The team because that's what's got us to this point,
and we're gonna do everything in our in our in
our power to go win this one and we'll go
play the next one. You know, But that's that's a message.
It takes one hundred percent of everybody, all the time,
every week. So nothing changes this week. But one of
our goals is to win the division. You know, it's
gonna come down to if we win the game, win
(31:49):
the division. So we'll let the the.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Next goal here.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
That buck one from you, everybody, arnold you all about nineties.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Actually it's not enough, it's not good enough. I'm not
going to give my Saturday. You melon's going to give
it a hundred percent?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Well, yeah, he always do is Yeah, and it'll probably
be the difference in whether or not we went or
not on Saturday. All right, So forty nine ers everything
at stake, The entire freedom of the universe is at stake.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
What's what do you what do you think is going
to go down on Saturday?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Here?
Speaker 5 (32:23):
At least give me some keys to what to expect.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Well, I think the forty nine ers have been remarkable.
They're kind of like an octopus. You cut off an
arm and it just regrows. It doesn't seem to matter
what future Hall of Famer they lose. They just keep
on trucking. And the idea that they're even in the
position they ind is a hell of a testament to them.
That really speaks to what they have in terms of
(32:50):
how they have united. Obviously speaks to coaching. But you know,
the idea that you would lose Bosa and Warner warners
for sure Hall of Fame. Bosa is probably a Hall
of Famer. They got a kittles out. I mean, Trent
Williams is probably the best left tackle of this generation.
(33:11):
I mean, it just goes They're not just losing starters,
they're losing Hall of Fame balance starters. And yet they
keep they keep on truck and they've got a quarterback
we talk very unique brand of quarterbacking. He doesn't have
a great skill set in the traditional sense. That's why
he was mister irrelevant. Not big, not terribly fast, although
(33:34):
I think he's pretty shifty. Certainly does not have a
strong arm, way way way below the median. In fact,
probably if you had a velocity test, probably the weakest
arm of every starting quarterback in the NFL in terms
of just being a raw horsepower to drive a ball.
But he plays within an extraordinary anticipation. He can throw
(33:58):
layered balls, because you know, it's almost like I liken
it to a golfer that would much rather be at
one hundred and ten yards. A pro golfer much rather
be at one hundred and ten yards than fifty five yards, right,
because they can take a full swing. Well, Rock Purdy
can throw it as hard as he can in these
deep intermediate over the middle throws, and it has just
(34:20):
the right amount of an arc, just a little bit
of a touch to throw it over the underneath layer
and then in front of the back layer. I mean,
he's when he's on, there's a fun brand of quarterbacking
from him because he pushes the ball down the field.
So it's not gonna be fun if he's doing that
this Sunday. But yeah, I think there's a hell of
(34:42):
a lot of reason to be concerned. I think where
Seattle's offense has been, you know, you know, they're just
kind of stuck in the mud. And meanwhile San Francisco,
I mean they are cruising, They're they're in sixth gear offensively.
So I think I think it's a big concern.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
This could be a bad question, but I don't care.
I'll ask it anyways, because I know that there's not
a set like this is always the way it is
one way or the other. But from your perspective all
the time that you played and now all the time
that you analyzing football, when a team's doing a rematch,
is it typically the offense that gets to make more
(35:19):
adjustments based on what they saw or does a defense
typically get to make more adjustments?
Speaker 5 (35:25):
Horrible question.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I'm sure, No, it's not a horrible question. I love
the question. I just I'm not sure that I've given
that thought. I think that because I think both sides
are constantly trying to make adjustments, and I think that
you know, Kyle Shanahan, I think he's going to go
after Josh Job. I think he's going to try and
match up Drake Thomas in coverage. I think he's going
(35:48):
to try and match up Ernest Jones. I mean that's
that's where he was fed that, that matchup type of
outlook on the game. He was fed that through his
Biblical court, learning from Mike and and and he's just
that that's just how he rolls. And so they've been
able to get you know, wheel routes and corner route
(36:12):
sail routes. They they can flood zones and hit those intermediates,
and and party's got the aggression to hit it. You know,
Kyle Shanahan always thinks there's a buffet at the table
in terms of people that he can attack. And that's
just his mindset and and and so I think that
based on how they've been cruising and protecting further quarterback,
(36:36):
I can see why he would think that.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
All right, since he asked you a tricky question, I'll
close out the hour by asking you one of.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
The easiest questions you've ever been asked? Would you ever
consider wearing one of Cam Newton's hats and public.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah on October thirty birds. Yes, Yes, yes, absolutely, I
love Holliday parties.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Alright, that's you're right.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
That was the easiest question asked.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Hugh Melon will be joined by Mike Holmgren on the
other side at nine o'clock hour. More on Seahawks Silver Panthers,
More on Seahawks versus forty nine Ers. Keep it here,
It's Chucking Buck Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM.
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