December 3, 2025 • 35 mins
CAM CLEELAND (Learfield Washington color analyst) What happened last weekend against Oregon? Was Demond Williams just missing receivers or was Washington not able to scheme anyone open? Is Jedd Fisch’s play calling a problem? Two years into this, how is Cam feeling about Jedd Fisch? :30- There are some questions on this Seahawks O-Line, well one question really… When Jalen Sundell is healthy, will he come back at center or bump Anthony Bradford out at right guard? :45- It’s time for more Holiday Analytics and this time, we have some important numbers on Santa.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You're own for Husky Football.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Probably presents our weekly visit with a voice of the Dogs,
Cam Cleveland. W Yeah, Purpor, Let's go wrot to you
by Warrior Injury Log, battle Tested. Now here's chucking bug
with a former Husky tight end on Sports Radio ninety
three point three kJ R f.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
M our last conversation of the season with Cam Cleveland
here this morning.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
He's been with us every single week this year.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
The former Washington tight end and current color analysts there
for a Husky broadcast. He will have a bowl game
to call coming up soon and we'll know all the
details about that very soon. But for us, a final conversation,
and unfortunately he's got to hear Bucky Jacobson talk crap
to him.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'm not going I was going to do that. I
mean I did have to listen to him as softy
try to come at me for an entire hour last week.
But no, I'll just with you humility, say it was
a good game. You guys are competitive.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Well, good morning, guys. I don't need to see we
we still have a connection here. You have every right
to talk a little smack, but the humility of the
professional athlete stands out a man with a beard like
that deserves a ton of credit and look at him. I,
on the other hand, I would have been an absolute
dirt bag.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
And so I just.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well, you played in it, you are you were part
of it. I mean, that's that is a big part
of where I draw the lot. I'm not going to
sit and talk trash to a Husky that's played in
the game. You have legit hate for the Ducks, and
understandably so I don't have that same thing. And yet
it is nice to be heading you know, our season
still going. Yeah, does it bother you to hear?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And does it bother you that he gives the old
tap on the head like you guys are competitive?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Good job? Does that bother you? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I mean not really.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I mean it doesn't bother.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Me, no, because I wish I could change it. But
the fact is is he's right. They were better. They
were better on that day. We got work to do
as a program and a group. The game was there
were opportunities in the game. As I watched it unfold,
you could just see that that was a team that
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had been in close games and knew how to win
close games. And we've seen Husky programs in the past
that have been very good at winning close games and
knowing how to close it out. And that was an
Oregon team that's been very battle tested throughout the season.
And these aren't compliments, these are facts. They've gone on
the road to Iowa, Penn State, tough games at home. Yeah,
they lost to the number two team in the country,
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but they're going to get a shot in this big dance.
And you just got to find a way in that program,
find a way to win the big games in those moments,
and they might do it. We'll find out for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, let's talk about the big games because that's obviously
the issue here for Washington football, second year under Jed Fish. Yeah,
you can against mediocre teams light up the scoreboard, but
against good to great teams you have trouble scoring points
at all. What explains that, Cam.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Well, guys man, we could break it down for hours.
We could look at it in film study. I could
break it down by play call. You could go down
in ability and let me start with a good can
I can I begin with that and say how much
coach Walters really adapted and adjusted his defense? And if
I told you going into a game against Oregon, who
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was rushing for almost two hundred and fifty yards. Rather
it was like two forty two per game on average,
and you were going to shut down their running game
with an eighty seven year old running back with Noah
Winnington who's been in college football for eight billion years,
and a lot of other really good running backs and
put it in in Dante Moore's hands to win it
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with his arm. I would have said, sign me up,
sign me up. And he did a great job with
that and made them one dimensional. I mean, the running
game was not as strong, and they did a fantastic job.
So that's the excellent side of what this defense was
able to accomplish, not only schematically, but they did it
in big games throughout the entire season, against Michigan, against
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Ohio State. And then we flipped to the other side
of the coin and going into this season, the defense
was supposed to be secondary to our offense. Forty seven
points forty six points and wins nine and a half
to eight and a half points and losses. I'd never
seen a dramatic difference between two offensive just outputs in
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wins and losses, and so to me that that's a
glaring glaring thing that has to be and of course
the coaches and everybody knows this. Everybody's we're not stupid here.
We understand you have to score points to win. But
this does come down to the production on the offensive side.
Offensive side, and I'm going to be a as blatantly
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honest as I can. It starts with number two. And
if you're in college football, this isn't blame. This is
just where it starts. Your quarterback to get to the
highest level would be a top ten team that competes in.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
The college football Top twelve.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Sorry, your quarterback has to be great. And I have
a grading scale, and this has always been my grading
scale since I was started in analytics or in analyzing
disc players. There's bad, good, great, elite. Those are my
four categories. And there's only a couple of elite guys
every year. There's a lot of good guys, and then
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you have some, you know, some really bad quarterbacks. So
you have to find a way for to get demand
to the next level of where he needs to be
and how he needs to become a leader offensively, and
it's all starts with it. And that's that's where I
think it begins.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So I mean, where do you have obviously not bad,
I would say good. I would say good, and sometimes
plays great. You're wanting him to be great on a
consistent basis and at times maybe rise to elite.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Yeah, and I think so, And that's a These are
goals that everybody sets. And I would put him as
a good quarterback. I had him higher at the beginning
of the year in these moments and I really saw.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I saw some.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Plays with his feet that were absolutely incredible. His next
evolution is winning with his arm talent and being more
accurate with the football, being more decisive, finding those windows
that are that are easier to throw in. And that
comes with coaching and it comes with development. And I'm
as I'm as critical as any football player or anybody
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that watches watches the football game. And then it starts
with the offensive line. You know, as you saw a
guy Adam Muhammad ran the ball, sensational, he looked fantastic.
I'm like, why aren't we giving him the ball thirty
five times? There were moments where he had to throw
the football.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
That was part of it.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
And then you wanted to rotate in Jonah Coleman, who
deserved the opportunity to get in that football game. And
that's not my call, that's coaches wanted to change it up.
But Adam was hot. Adams liked it, and I said
it during the Bride. Adams like the shooter out at
the three point range and he's in the zone, feed
him the ball. He found his windows and it worked out.
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We just couldn't get the big play. And then it
was the mistakes, you know, the interceptions, the throws that
were in, not being able to convert on third down,
couple penalty situations, and then there we are. You're behind
eight ball versus an excellent Oregon defense. I mean, they're
as good as anybody in the country.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Also, yeah, I was screaming for more Muhammad, I mean
to be running that well. They didn't seem to have
an answer for him. And you have only fourteen carries
at the end of the game where you only score
fourteen points, that seems like a miss. And then another
thing until the Denzel Boston second touchdown. Man, it just
feels like everything against these quality defenses, and there's no
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doubt or Goa has a great defense and they got
great athletes on that side of the ball. They got
a great scheme, but it just feels like everything is
a struggle and I'm curious why. I mean, I watched
Max Brosmer get shut out by the Seahawks and he
still had moments where there were a few open receivers
that he just had to basically walk the ball to.
It just doesn't feel like in these teams again, in
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these games against these great defenses, that there's ever an
open receiver for Demon Williams to throw to. Is he
just missing them or are they not scheming receivers open?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, there's just you know, a couple of shots. And
this is again, this is just my take of watching
film and watching him play, and I don't sit in
with the staff so that this is there. This is
what Jed loves to run, and he he knows the offense,
and that's insane to call him. They know how to
call plays, they know how to design, but you always
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call plays. Great play callers call plays for their best athletes.
They I could draw up the greatest play ever. I
can say hound six hot ze snag, and I can
say I want to throw to the seven route and
my seventh route guy runs a five to two, and.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Well it should work.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
No it's not he can't run, I can't throw to
that guy. I have to design a play. So what
you saw during a lot of games in situations is
you've designed it, designed flood concepts. You brought three receivers
to one side and defenses started to understand, okay, we
can put pressure on demand with just four, so that
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means we now have seven. So if you saw during
the Oregon game they had a spy number thirty one,
and I'm forgetting his name, Rick, but yes, thank you
Feneman or whatever it was. He was excellent in the game.
His total job throughout the entire football game was to
shadow Demond. So they played a four to six' one
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zone defense if that makes. Sense four, rush one, free
which Was demand's, shadow and then another six over the
top and. Underneath that was a great design and that
you know who set that precedent on. Us this, Year
Ohio state did the exact same. Thing once that got on. Film,
guys this is a copycat. League but once you put
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something on film that's a, weakness teams will exploit. That
michigan did. It they dropped into a deep shell The
wisconsin games and anominally it was a garbage game of
cold weather and bad stuff and. Injuries that one didn't make,
sense but in these big moments they found a way
to be very strategic on defense to shadow them. On
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and then you'll watch another thing that he. Does he
likes to hang in the. Pocket And Coach fish said
this after the game WHEN i asked, HIM i, said
you look like you gave him some more time to
be in the. POCKETSY i wanted him to adjust and
win there and he got used to. That but he's
bouncing in.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
There he's.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Bouncing, well he took sack on the first play the.
Game you, bounce, bounce. Bounce that ball has to be
out in the second, ounce and if it's, not then
he's got to get. Out and now you have a.
Shadow so there's lots of lots of things to work off,
of but there are certainly things that maybe as they
evolved and, design how do you bring his offensive talent
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and really elevate his offensive talent to the next level
with the throwing game and the passing game that he
can you, know he's got to get better in that, scenario.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Cam THE i took my son to the, game SO
i didn't get to you, know when you're at the,
game it's harder to kind of notice some. THINGS i,
mean you've got a bird's eye view and you're doing your,
job but you're sitting down in the stands and you,
know having a couple of beers with my with my,
Kid well he didn't have, any but he's only. Eighty
he was more hard. Alcohol, yeah, exactly like you, know
(11:51):
dabbling in that hard. Stuff, no it's just it's harder
to kind of watch from WHERE i was. Sitting, ANYWAYS
i have a lot of. FRIENDS i heard a lot
of people in the stands being really critical Of jed
and his play. Calling they don't is there things that
you wish they would do? DIFFERENT i mean we've talked
about different players and maybe Getting Jordan washington in the
(12:11):
ball or Feeding muhammad Doing but as far as his
play calling are you are you seeing things that you
want him to, do adjust to, do or maybe somebody
else come in to call the plays?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
AGAIN i. Don't there's no way you're going to get
me to stand up here and sit at this spot
and criticize play calling, because As i'll go, back every
play works if it's designed to go to your best.
Athletes athletes have to. EXECUTE i call a play and
then there's execution. Situations Adam muhammad was executing physically if
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that hope that makes, Sense like he had a vision
of where to, go his feel the offensive line was going.
Downhill the execution side on some of the other designs.
Wasn't guys weren't getting open certain situations wasn't. There and
remember he doesn't have a call. IT i, mean there's two. Kinds,
well there's multiple kinds of, offense but there's AN nfl
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offense and then there's college.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Offense those are.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Two jed has a combination of, Both like he's got
an UNBELIEVABLE nfl background of those types of schemes combined
with college. Offense college offenses true college offenses Are Ohio,
state they Are michigan some of the. Ioha these are rpo.
Games one side reads Quick oregon, ABSOLUTELY i, mean and
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that coach is going to go To kentucky and take
over and take that same. Style that's a very popular
style of offense because it's easy to coach and gives
simple reads and gives multiple options and you spread the
field with. Space kalin De bord does not call it college,
offense never Did, okay it's very. Different you watch the
Way Lincoln riley calls spreads the field athletic quarterback in
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space running college. Offense so play calls are specific to
who you are in YOUR. Dna he learned Under Steve,
spurrier who was an incredible play caller in AN nfl offense.
Style so could there be different, things, Sure BUT i
think when a game isn't working and your quarterback's not finding,
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rhythm it's really hard on a play. Caller it's extremely
hard to. Try it's, like where do you go down the? List,
OKAY i tried, that all, right let's try. It, well
that didn't work. Either let's try, this and you're trying
to find a rhythm as a caller during the same,
time and he got about thirty five seconds to make the.
Decision and it's not, easy, boys it.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Isn't Cam cleveland is with us a segment with us
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Speaker 1 (14:45):
Thing at the end of this conversation and at the
end of this.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Season BECAUSE i think back to the beginning of last,
YEAR i think it was a free pass For jedfish
in his first, year AND i agree with. That and
to get to six and, SIX i THINK aski fans, Like,
OKAY i would have liked, Better BUT i can live
with that result considering everything that he had to do
and replace After kaitlin De borr, left and then in
(15:09):
the second, year felt, like, well we got to see,
improvement there's no. Quay we got to be improvement and
competitive in every single. Game and here you are eight
and four to close out the, season certainly competitive Against,
oregon certainly competitive Against Ohio, state and it just kind
of feels cam, like.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
All, right you did.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
It you achieved like the, minimum but you, know certainly
would have liked to have seen a little bit more,
progress but you did achieve what we hope you would achieve.
Technically so that being, said two years into, this how
are we feeling about how The jedfish program is?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Going?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Well i'm on the ultra positive, Side, OKAY i MEAN
i have to. BE i just looked across college. Fool
how many guys lost their Job Michigan, State. Oregon all,
Right now WITH ucla we could be we could Be Penn,
state you could Be Virginia. Tech, well they found a new.
Guy you could Be, florida you could Be Ole myths
and lose your guy before you even go win a national.
Championship and here you. Are you took over a program
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that lost Fifty you had to replace fifty four guys last. Year,
yep he replayed fifty four to, one six, games lost
in a bowl, game almost won that game with one.
Throw you go eight and, Four you go toe to
toe with the number one team in the country to
the third, quarter you go on the. Road you lose
one bad football, game and That's wisconsin because that that,
game with that that'll haunt him a little. Bit but
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eight wins guys in The Big ten conference and you're
gonna play in a bowl. Game considering in two years
and now you're a top fifteen signing. Class and congratulations
all the young guys today that are that are that
are joining and signing. Early do you have a? Collective
you have nil, money you have facilities or as good
as anybody in the. Country, YEAH I I i'm a, realist,
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dude that these are these are good positive. Things the
longer we can keep stability and the continuity of coaching
is the reason why you. Win, okay when They're, IOWA
i Mean, Utah, oregon for gof's, sakes coaches that STAY
i Mean Lang kevin took six years to build something
(17:17):
and he finally builds it and then he takes. OFF
i can't hate on, that but it takes. Time, shoot
you could be cal And Justin wilcox get Fired. Stanford
every one of these programs that are in, downtrodden they
have to start over from, scratch complete. Scratch Kurt signetti,
flipped he flipped the. Script but also, remember, guys is
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that every time these coaches come from other coaches like
like The mac just getting poached in all the conference
IN usas and they're taking their rosters with. Them Jim
mora when he goes To Colorado state is bringing twenty
some guys with him From yukon and signing every one
of his guys to join him At. Colorado they leave
with their. Rosters, Now jed Brought arizona roster with. Him
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so this is what college football has. Done SO i
like the fact that we have stability right, now And
i'm hoping that it stays stable for a.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
While All, Right, well thank you for the.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Season it's been awesome having you on this, year great
analysis all season. Long it Is National Signing. Day let's
close with A Cam cleveland. Story let's take us back
to eighteen year Old Cam cleveland making that big decision
to sign with The.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Dogs probably had a mullet back, then and.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Probably how did You how did you know curly one.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
In the?
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Depths?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
No, no naturally for the basketball. Season it was basketball.
SEASON i didn't want all that extra, weight you, know
SO i just had to kept it. DOWN i signed
it during the right in my principal's office At Cedar
Willie High school with my, principal my, parents and some friends.
Around no, cameras, what, no, nothing just a nice. Sign
(18:59):
you know what we did, next, Guys we put it
in the fax. Machine if everybody out there that was
that nice put it in the fax. Machine AND i
was a, husky so there you.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Go then we all went To Pizza, hut had deep
dish and celebrated.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
College. Scout no, no, No.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
SHAKY'S i went To Shaky shout out To Shaky pizza
in The.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
NORTHWEST i hear.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
That love it all, right, Man we'll talk. Soon but
thanks again for the entire. Season it's been awesome having
you on every week.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Again all, right thanks, guys appreciate.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
It all.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
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Long great to have you part of our team there as.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Well all, Right coming up, next The seahawks offensive line
could undergo a little bit of a change heading into next.
Week if he didn't hear What greg said about the
old line, yesterday we'll replace some of that for you
and react On chuck And Buck Sports radio ninety three
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M one of you is best thing? There, yeah very.
Popular did it sound Like? Huey was that Really? Huey? No, No,
no That's Elton. John oh that's, right any of. That,
YEAH i didn't know. That The, Jets bucky and his
buddy's getting out of. Town. Yeah the old, man old.
Man oh, boy, YEP i did kiss the wife and
(20:38):
kids goodbye this, morning see you. Later and she Said benny.
Didn't benny did.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Not benny got, back got Into bucky's bed After buddy
got out.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Of, no, No benny knows better than that to sleep
a little. Longer he wouldn't want, To. Benny benny wouldn't
want this to be his last. Birthday oh it would. Be,
yeah we got a, TRACTOR i can dig. Holes but, Anyway,
no it's it's gonna be. Fun i'm looking forward to.
It but she, said just be, careful be. Careful, yeah
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AND i know what she meant by.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
That.
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SMART i will. BE i can't say that about everybody
smart ish at least like mostly.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Smart if you're looking at a, percentage be like ninety
percent smart and you can have like ten percent.
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Stupidity, YEAH i think you.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Go, yeah nine point nine. Fun, yeah you know you
just got to be seven point five.
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Smart. Yeah. Yeah, luckily my Boy pooky's going to be there.
Too he AND i we keep, it keep every the
group Of ninko and, Poops we keep them kind of
under control a little. Bit, oh we've done this before
For benny's bachelor. Party pooky And benny And.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Benny you're making fun of the people THAT i grew
up on their Names, Pooky, benny And.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Bucky, Yeah, bucky.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
He's actually his Name's, paul BUT i don't Think i've
ever called. It from, ON i think you have a
nickname for all your, Friends, DUKE i? Do, yeah, Exactly,
duke who?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Do all, right that's a great. One.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Nicknames, okay so here's my recommendation for your get. Together
everybody has their nickname name tag they got to wear
through the entire.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Weekend all, Right so even when you, GO i don't
have a nickname, Though.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Bucky, yeah that's are you have? One they just haven't told.
You because you have a tractor and you'll dig.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Hole it, Works that's like it works like in a
baseball locker. Room you don't need a nickname because your last,
name why, yeah do? That you could Be Bookie yeickerson Book, sure.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
That's, sorry that's all. Right, so, Yeah bucky is going
till nine o'clock today and then we won't see him.
AGAIN i don't know If i'll make it that. Long, yeah,
Well i'll see he tuned out at seven Seas.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Offensive line certainly at its worst week of the, season
this past week worst. Job and it wasn't even a
question of Protecting Sam darnold against The Minnesota. Vikings maybe
we can give credit To Brian flores and we don't
necessarily have to blame The seahawks offensive line Because flores
didn seem to have a great. Plan but, nonetheless whatever's going,
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on some alarm bells were sent off Because Sam darnold
has to have some time to. Throw when you can
only GET js and the ball a couple of times
in a, game you don't have enough time to, throw,
uh and that cannot continue going Into atlanta and.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Beyond and so With Jalen, SNDEL i mean he can.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Come off THE. Ir we haven't, heard at LEAST i haven't.
Heard maybe there's some information out there THAT i. MISSED
i haven't heard that he's going to be activated just
because he's. Eligible but obviously once he becomes, eligible you
start thinking about getting him back into the. Lineup he
was in the starting center for all those great weeks With,
sam and now that he's coming, back it makes you
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wonder who's struggling more?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Upfront is It?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Ola With timmy at center and is or is It
Anthony bradford at right? Guard and Will Jalen sndel come
back to start at guard and not? Center we Asked
greg about that.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yesterday, well it's interesting Because, sundell if you, remember during training,
camp was one of the three competitors for the right guard.
Job it Was Christian haynes who actually started training camp
as the, starter and then it Was Anthony, bradford and
they Had sundell then director looking twenty twenty, four who
did some guard work in practices last. Year sundell ended
(24:25):
up proving to be so good at center that he
beat Out oli With timmy and took that. Job, well
now he's been on ir olal With timmy is at,
center and if you take McDonald at his, word he
really likes How. Ola timmy's played in the two games
three games Since sundell went out with a knee, injury
which makes the, question now do you keep some ol
(24:47):
With timmy where he's been. Good sundell is eligible to
come off of injured reserve this time next. Week the
fourth consecutive game he'll miss is The atlanta game this,
weekend AND i asked yesterday McDonald how he's progressing toward
potentially practicing next. Week he says he's doing really, well
AND i, said is he going to come back to
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be a guard or a? Center and he, said we're
still working through what the lineup's going to look like
when he comes, back which is a really telling statement to.
ME i think they're thinking about putting him at guards
and Having sundell play right guard next To Ovala timmy
to not disturb What Olala timmy's done in the center
of the offensive. Line so competition on the horizon perhaps
(25:30):
For Anthony. Bradford, now as you said, yesterday McDonald said
that he Thought bradford played a pretty good. Game he
said there were some good plays and some not some good.
Plays but when he was asked about fans especially Criticizing
bradford for standing around look like he's waiting on a
bus and some pass protection, snaps he, SAID i think
he's played pretty. Well so we'll. See but there is
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going to be competition somewhere Because sondell is not going
to come, back and said he's either going to play,
center he's going to play. Guard WHAT i saw in training, camp,
GUYS i think the best line right, NOW i Think
sindell's a better center Than ol With. Timmy but if
they're good With olo With timmy at, CENTER i think
their best line would Be, Ol timmy at, center And
sindela right.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Guard Greg bell with us yesterday talking about the offensive,
LINE i would, SAY i don't know how much he
can take a head coach at his word at any.
LEVEL i, mean because he also did say that he's
been pleased with the Way Anthony bradford's, playing even though
the entire fan base seems to be upset with.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
It he's also said that after the.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Game the other, day and then even with a little
bit of time to talk to think about, it he
said it earlier this. Week and Even, hugh who's not
Liked Anthony bradford pretty much all season, long did On
Mark show yesterday Defend Anthony bradford's. Play it wasn't as
bad as what it looked, like and there were a
couple of isolated highlights that made him look like he
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was blocking.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Air and yet Who hugh had an next explanation for.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It i'm not SURE i could come up with an
explanation for, it but he had an explanation for. It bottom,
line he was saying that Maybe Anthony bradford is getting
killed a little bit too much this, week and maybe
he wouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Replaced in that. Situation, MAYBE i. GUESS i, MEAN i don't.
KNOW i don't Believe mike McDonald when he's SAYING i
think he's playing pretty good now if he wants to
find reasons why maybe it looks worse than it, Was,
Okay i'll listen to, That BUT i, Mean i'm just
coming from A i'm not a guy that sits here
and studies it or acts Like i'm some you, know
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former pro that knows it, right that really can dive.
It i'm just saying watching. It there's times THAT i
watch offensive line right Because i'm not wanting him to
get To Sam donald because then he's fumbling some balls or,
he's you, know just recently through those, picks and so
It's i'm watching offensive, line and more often than, not
if someone comes in there, quickly they're coming By sam
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Or Anthony. Bradford if the pocket, collapses And i'm not
talking about the tackles, received you, know conceding that they're
going to be able to get, upfield but if the
inside of the pocket collapses it typically is Where Anthony
bradford was. At to, me it's it seems like a
weakness and if IF i pros say that it isn't, Okay,
Yeah i'm just saying the layman's. EYES i watch it
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AND i see the dude looks like he's blocking ghosts
and there's a real live human heading back towards the.
Quarterback and Then i've been on run. Plays if it's
maybe you suck it pass, blocking but then be really
good at run. Blocking don't be bad at. Both and to,
me it's like WHEN i watch, him he looks like
that's it could be an upgrade. POSSIBILITY i don't Think
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Olo timmy has been, outstanding but it doesn't look like
he's been a guy that people are just running by.
Either so you go Ol timmy and Sundw. Yes. Yes
and if Ol timmy is just a center and he can't,
play you, know guard like they obviously Know, sundell could
they moved him, INSIDE i think maybe that's the lesser
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of two. Evils if you get that's your best combo
of two guys out of the, three and you, know
maybe it doesn't, work but you then you should Have.
Bradford maybe you can rest up a little. Bit maybe he's,
tired he just needs A, yeah somebody give that guy.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
NAP i, MEAN i get. IT i need a nap
usually every. Day, yeah so if he's.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Not getting past blocking is going to. Crap SINCE i
started doing this, Show.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Yeah, yeah you couldn't put me out there on A
sunday IF i haven't napped all.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
WEEK i look Like Jermaina fetti out there not saying.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Something, yeah all, right coming up. Next holiday analytics were introduced.
Yesterday we have combined the worlds the That Mike holmgren
never wanted to see intertwined and we're doing it just
to get it coach a little. Bit holiday analytics Before
bucky hits the. Road It's Sports radio ninety three point
three kJ r F. M, yeah you get the, Throat
(30:03):
i'll get another.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
One i'll get a sock with some quarters in, it
And i'll dig a.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Hole and if there's one, thing As Mike holmgrin AND,
i our relationship grows and really does.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Flourish.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah here over the years where we've Where i've really
changed him is, uh it's really coming around on. Analytics
it sounds like to me in football and he really
does love me kind of toying with holiday traditions and
timing things.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Out, okay so there's a, lot he, said a lot
of really good, stuff really good stuff times you say
stuff like. This i'm my, GOD i don't think he's
coming around at all on either of those. Things i'm pretty,
sure especially the. Holidays now THAT i hear the truth
spit back at, ME i think you're. Right, yeah he
doesn't seem to be coming around at. All does he
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no changing holiday? Traditions He, ACTUALLY i think there's. ANGER
i think he kind of wants to push me. Down. Yeah,
yeah he'd make you run a lap if you run his,
team there would be violence. Involved all.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Right, well you know, what because of, that and that
really is the, truth and it hurts me and my
soul that he feels that. WAY i, said let's combine
the two and really piss him. Off Uh, so, uh
it's time for holiday, analytics which we introduced to, yesterday
and so we're gonna use analytics to figure out exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
How we should be celebrating.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Either, so according to The santa clause the, Movie, Uh
santa's desired weight is one hundred and ninety two pounds
one hundred and ninety two. Pounds that's according to, scripture
and rumor has it that he's docking in these days
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at about three.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Bills these are eight, bills.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Right analytics say two and sixty point four pounds is
the perfect desired weight For Santa, claus plump enough to
fit into his uh, persona but not so plump as
to that.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
We have to worry about whether or not he's going
to be able to finish this year's.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Ride, okay so do you buy the analytics it's two
hundred and sixty point three five? Pounds is that the
right spot For santa to be in and? Can and
remember he's a five foot eleven inch.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Man oh that's. It, Okay ACTUALLY i did not know
he's five. Eleven that's a big. BOY i, MEAN i
just don't want him to get, BECAUSE i, mean two
sixties is just a. Number but two sixty stretched out
over a six foot four, frame for, Example i've been that, Before,
yeah and it's, uh IT'S i felt, FLIMSY i FELT
i felt way free. Thin NOW i gol to fit
down a chimney much. Easier the ride would have been
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far more enjoyable bending over to tie My santa boots
IF i had them at the, time that would have been.
Better five eleven two sixty. STILL i, mean but then,
Again i'm not going to mess for somebody that's got.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
MAGIC i, mean he's got jelly, cheeks his Magic rosie, cheeks.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
A little extra fluff when you live at The North
Pole chili up. There i'm giving him to.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Sixty and there are some reports out there that say
it's five to. Six oh, yeah So i'm giving him to.
SIXTY i THINK i think the analytics are being fair
and Reason.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
YEAH i would, say because they got to have the
bowl full of, jelly, right, Yeah AND i mean that's the.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Key, Okay, YEAH i mean pot of. Minds we just
don't want to in shape Fit. SANTA i think you're okay,
now BUT i want. YOU i want you to take
care of. Yourself Missus claus wants to make sure you're
around for a, While. Santa, yeah she does a good.
Job over three bills is definitely too. Much too. Much,
yeah you're buying the. ANALYTICS i don't like. It say
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what we got going. HERE i wanted to almost disagree and, like,
no it's got to be too fifty five ish or
to seventy OR i wanted to just, disagree but, SURE i,
said to sixty ish sounds. Good, okay all? Right you,
KNOW i.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Think whatever Weight santa wants to be is fine with,
me because My santa is happy and jolly and healthy
no matter what weight he.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Is, sure but, YEAH i could go with sixty. Though
to sixty is.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Fine you're buying the. Analytics look at, you. Guys see
you're more analytical people than you.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
THINK i didn't realize until this very.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
MOMENT i put us up all these, walls and it's,
like if you read the, analytics sometimes it does make.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Sense SOMETIMES i don't want to be too. Thin we
don't want to, be you, know morbidly. Obese, yeah one hundred.
PERCENT i just don't know for sure if the analytics
of tow sixty one point what did you say to
sixty point three five to sixty point three? Five C
i don't think analytics knows crap about the point three
five and whether that, matters, WELL.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
I don't know that a scale could EVEN i just
go to to sixty point five to sixty point.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Five. Yeah. No, see that's the problem with analytics is
they get too deep into the weeds with a, thing
and we do have remember to get up and down the.
Chimney he.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Doesn't, actually it's just like a twitch of his nose
and he's.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Down that's one part of the.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Story, okay he, touches touches the side of his. Nose
he doesn't have to actually fit in the.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
CHIMNEY i don't think you're fitting in the, chimney SAYING
i think that's been a.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
LIE i think what you've done is you've. Breaken you've
broken and entered a lot of, homes and you probably
are wanted by the law a.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Chance and see every time he's won by the, law
he just gives him a great gift and he's off the.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Hook, yeah you're automatically on the naughty. List all, Right,
bucky you have a good. TRIP i will ye get
over to sixty point three five while you're on the.
Trip i'm not going to be anywhere near to. Sixty,
okay that's a.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Promise coming up, Next Scott eklingle join, us we'll talk
about recruiting day and apparently there's been a player that
has flipped to The huskies that we're gonna have to
find out some information. About next Sports radio ninety three
point three kJ a r F m
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
M our last conversation of the season with Cam Cleveland
here this morning.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
He's been with us every single week this year.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
The former Washington tight end and current color analysts there
for a Husky broadcast. He will have a bowl game
to call coming up soon and we'll know all the
details about that very soon. But for us, a final conversation,
and unfortunately he's got to hear Bucky Jacobson talk crap
to him.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'm not going I was going to do that. I
mean I did have to listen to him as softy
try to come at me for an entire hour last week.
But no, I'll just with you humility, say it was
a good game. You guys are competitive.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Well, good morning, guys. I don't need to see we
we still have a connection here. You have every right
to talk a little smack, but the humility of the
professional athlete stands out a man with a beard like
that deserves a ton of credit and look at him. I,
on the other hand, I would have been an absolute
dirt bag.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
And so I just.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well, you played in it, you are you were part
of it. I mean, that's that is a big part
of where I draw the lot. I'm not going to
sit and talk trash to a Husky that's played in
the game. You have legit hate for the Ducks, and
understandably so I don't have that same thing. And yet
it is nice to be heading you know, our season
still going. Yeah, does it bother you to hear?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And does it bother you that he gives the old
tap on the head like you guys are competitive?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Good job? Does that bother you? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I mean not really.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I mean it doesn't bother.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Me, no, because I wish I could change it. But
the fact is is he's right. They were better. They
were better on that day. We got work to do
as a program and a group. The game was there
were opportunities in the game. As I watched it unfold,
you could just see that that was a team that
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had been in close games and knew how to win
close games. And we've seen Husky programs in the past
that have been very good at winning close games and
knowing how to close it out. And that was an
Oregon team that's been very battle tested throughout the season.
And these aren't compliments, these are facts. They've gone on
the road to Iowa, Penn State, tough games at home. Yeah,
they lost to the number two team in the country,
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but they're going to get a shot in this big dance.
And you just got to find a way in that program,
find a way to win the big games in those moments,
and they might do it. We'll find out for sure.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, let's talk about the big games because that's obviously
the issue here for Washington football, second year under Jed Fish. Yeah,
you can against mediocre teams light up the scoreboard, but
against good to great teams you have trouble scoring points
at all. What explains that, Cam.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Well, guys man, we could break it down for hours.
We could look at it in film study. I could
break it down by play call. You could go down
in ability and let me start with a good can
I can I begin with that and say how much
coach Walters really adapted and adjusted his defense? And if
I told you going into a game against Oregon, who
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was rushing for almost two hundred and fifty yards. Rather
it was like two forty two per game on average,
and you were going to shut down their running game
with an eighty seven year old running back with Noah
Winnington who's been in college football for eight billion years,
and a lot of other really good running backs and
put it in in Dante Moore's hands to win it
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with his arm. I would have said, sign me up,
sign me up. And he did a great job with
that and made them one dimensional. I mean, the running
game was not as strong, and they did a fantastic job.
So that's the excellent side of what this defense was
able to accomplish, not only schematically, but they did it
in big games throughout the entire season, against Michigan, against
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Ohio State. And then we flipped to the other side
of the coin and going into this season, the defense
was supposed to be secondary to our offense. Forty seven
points forty six points and wins nine and a half
to eight and a half points and losses. I'd never
seen a dramatic difference between two offensive just outputs in
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wins and losses, and so to me that that's a
glaring glaring thing that has to be and of course
the coaches and everybody knows this. Everybody's we're not stupid here.
We understand you have to score points to win. But
this does come down to the production on the offensive side.
Offensive side, and I'm going to be a as blatantly
(05:00):
honest as I can. It starts with number two. And
if you're in college football, this isn't blame. This is
just where it starts. Your quarterback to get to the
highest level would be a top ten team that competes in.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
The college football Top twelve.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Sorry, your quarterback has to be great. And I have
a grading scale, and this has always been my grading
scale since I was started in analytics or in analyzing
disc players. There's bad, good, great, elite. Those are my
four categories. And there's only a couple of elite guys
every year. There's a lot of good guys, and then
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you have some, you know, some really bad quarterbacks. So
you have to find a way for to get demand
to the next level of where he needs to be
and how he needs to become a leader offensively, and
it's all starts with it. And that's that's where I
think it begins.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So I mean, where do you have obviously not bad,
I would say good. I would say good, and sometimes
plays great. You're wanting him to be great on a
consistent basis and at times maybe rise to elite.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Yeah, and I think so, And that's a These are
goals that everybody sets. And I would put him as
a good quarterback. I had him higher at the beginning
of the year in these moments and I really saw.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I saw some.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Plays with his feet that were absolutely incredible. His next
evolution is winning with his arm talent and being more
accurate with the football, being more decisive, finding those windows
that are that are easier to throw in. And that
comes with coaching and it comes with development. And I'm
as I'm as critical as any football player or anybody
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that watches watches the football game. And then it starts
with the offensive line. You know, as you saw a
guy Adam Muhammad ran the ball, sensational, he looked fantastic.
I'm like, why aren't we giving him the ball thirty
five times? There were moments where he had to throw
the football.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
That was part of it.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
And then you wanted to rotate in Jonah Coleman, who
deserved the opportunity to get in that football game. And
that's not my call, that's coaches wanted to change it up.
But Adam was hot. Adams liked it, and I said
it during the Bride. Adams like the shooter out at
the three point range and he's in the zone, feed
him the ball. He found his windows and it worked out.
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We just couldn't get the big play. And then it
was the mistakes, you know, the interceptions, the throws that
were in, not being able to convert on third down,
couple penalty situations, and then there we are. You're behind
eight ball versus an excellent Oregon defense. I mean, they're
as good as anybody in the country.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Also, yeah, I was screaming for more Muhammad, I mean
to be running that well. They didn't seem to have
an answer for him. And you have only fourteen carries
at the end of the game where you only score
fourteen points, that seems like a miss. And then another
thing until the Denzel Boston second touchdown. Man, it just
feels like everything against these quality defenses, and there's no
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doubt or Goa has a great defense and they got
great athletes on that side of the ball. They got
a great scheme, but it just feels like everything is
a struggle and I'm curious why. I mean, I watched
Max Brosmer get shut out by the Seahawks and he
still had moments where there were a few open receivers
that he just had to basically walk the ball to.
It just doesn't feel like in these teams again, in
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these games against these great defenses, that there's ever an
open receiver for Demon Williams to throw to. Is he
just missing them or are they not scheming receivers open?
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, there's just you know, a couple of shots. And
this is again, this is just my take of watching
film and watching him play, and I don't sit in
with the staff so that this is there. This is
what Jed loves to run, and he he knows the offense,
and that's insane to call him. They know how to
call plays, they know how to design, but you always
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call plays. Great play callers call plays for their best athletes.
They I could draw up the greatest play ever. I
can say hound six hot ze snag, and I can
say I want to throw to the seven route and
my seventh route guy runs a five to two, and.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Well it should work.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
No it's not he can't run, I can't throw to
that guy. I have to design a play. So what
you saw during a lot of games in situations is
you've designed it, designed flood concepts. You brought three receivers
to one side and defenses started to understand, okay, we
can put pressure on demand with just four, so that
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means we now have seven. So if you saw during
the Oregon game they had a spy number thirty one,
and I'm forgetting his name, Rick, but yes, thank you
Feneman or whatever it was. He was excellent in the game.
His total job throughout the entire football game was to
shadow Demond. So they played a four to six' one
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zone defense if that makes. Sense four, rush one, free
which Was demand's, shadow and then another six over the
top and. Underneath that was a great design and that
you know who set that precedent on. Us this, Year
Ohio state did the exact same. Thing once that got on. Film,
guys this is a copycat. League but once you put
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something on film that's a, weakness teams will exploit. That
michigan did. It they dropped into a deep shell The
wisconsin games and anominally it was a garbage game of
cold weather and bad stuff and. Injuries that one didn't make,
sense but in these big moments they found a way
to be very strategic on defense to shadow them. On
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and then you'll watch another thing that he. Does he
likes to hang in the. Pocket And Coach fish said
this after the game WHEN i asked, HIM i, said
you look like you gave him some more time to
be in the. POCKETSY i wanted him to adjust and
win there and he got used to. That but he's
bouncing in.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
There he's.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Bouncing, well he took sack on the first play the.
Game you, bounce, bounce. Bounce that ball has to be
out in the second, ounce and if it's, not then
he's got to get. Out and now you have a.
Shadow so there's lots of lots of things to work off,
of but there are certainly things that maybe as they
evolved and, design how do you bring his offensive talent
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and really elevate his offensive talent to the next level
with the throwing game and the passing game that he
can you, know he's got to get better in that, scenario.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Cam THE i took my son to the, game SO
i didn't get to you, know when you're at the,
game it's harder to kind of notice some. THINGS i,
mean you've got a bird's eye view and you're doing your,
job but you're sitting down in the stands and you,
know having a couple of beers with my with my,
Kid well he didn't have, any but he's only. Eighty
he was more hard. Alcohol, yeah, exactly like you, know
(11:51):
dabbling in that hard. Stuff, no it's just it's harder
to kind of watch from WHERE i was. Sitting, ANYWAYS
i have a lot of. FRIENDS i heard a lot
of people in the stands being really critical Of jed
and his play. Calling they don't is there things that
you wish they would do? DIFFERENT i mean we've talked
about different players and maybe Getting Jordan washington in the
(12:11):
ball or Feeding muhammad Doing but as far as his
play calling are you are you seeing things that you
want him to, do adjust to, do or maybe somebody
else come in to call the plays?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
AGAIN i. Don't there's no way you're going to get
me to stand up here and sit at this spot
and criticize play calling, because As i'll go, back every
play works if it's designed to go to your best.
Athletes athletes have to. EXECUTE i call a play and
then there's execution. Situations Adam muhammad was executing physically if
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that hope that makes, Sense like he had a vision
of where to, go his feel the offensive line was going.
Downhill the execution side on some of the other designs.
Wasn't guys weren't getting open certain situations wasn't. There and
remember he doesn't have a call. IT i, mean there's two. Kinds,
well there's multiple kinds of, offense but there's AN nfl
(13:08):
offense and then there's college.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Offense those are.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Two jed has a combination of, Both like he's got
an UNBELIEVABLE nfl background of those types of schemes combined
with college. Offense college offenses true college offenses Are Ohio,
state they Are michigan some of the. Ioha these are rpo.
Games one side reads Quick oregon, ABSOLUTELY i, mean and
(13:34):
that coach is going to go To kentucky and take
over and take that same. Style that's a very popular
style of offense because it's easy to coach and gives
simple reads and gives multiple options and you spread the
field with. Space kalin De bord does not call it college,
offense never Did, okay it's very. Different you watch the
Way Lincoln riley calls spreads the field athletic quarterback in
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space running college. Offense so play calls are specific to
who you are in YOUR. Dna he learned Under Steve,
spurrier who was an incredible play caller in AN nfl offense.
Style so could there be different, things, Sure BUT i
think when a game isn't working and your quarterback's not finding,
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rhythm it's really hard on a play. Caller it's extremely
hard to. Try it's, like where do you go down the? List,
OKAY i tried, that all, right let's try. It, well
that didn't work. Either let's try, this and you're trying
to find a rhythm as a caller during the same,
time and he got about thirty five seconds to make the.
Decision and it's not, easy, boys it.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Isn't Cam cleveland is with us a segment with us
all season, long brought to you By Warrior Injury Law Battle,
Test and, well that's a big picture of this.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Thing at the end of this conversation and at the
end of this.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Season BECAUSE i think back to the beginning of last,
YEAR i think it was a free pass For jedfish
in his first, year AND i agree with. That and
to get to six and, SIX i THINK aski fans, Like,
OKAY i would have liked, Better BUT i can live
with that result considering everything that he had to do
and replace After kaitlin De borr, left and then in
(15:09):
the second, year felt, like, well we got to see,
improvement there's no. Quay we got to be improvement and
competitive in every single. Game and here you are eight
and four to close out the, season certainly competitive Against,
oregon certainly competitive Against Ohio, state and it just kind
of feels cam, like.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
All, right you did.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
It you achieved like the, minimum but you, know certainly
would have liked to have seen a little bit more,
progress but you did achieve what we hope you would achieve.
Technically so that being, said two years into, this how
are we feeling about how The jedfish program is?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Going?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Well i'm on the ultra positive, Side, OKAY i MEAN
i have to. BE i just looked across college. Fool
how many guys lost their Job Michigan, State. Oregon all,
Right now WITH ucla we could be we could Be Penn,
state you could Be Virginia. Tech, well they found a new.
Guy you could Be, florida you could Be Ole myths
and lose your guy before you even go win a national.
Championship and here you. Are you took over a program
(16:12):
that lost Fifty you had to replace fifty four guys last. Year,
yep he replayed fifty four to, one six, games lost
in a bowl, game almost won that game with one.
Throw you go eight and, Four you go toe to
toe with the number one team in the country to
the third, quarter you go on the. Road you lose
one bad football, game and That's wisconsin because that that,
game with that that'll haunt him a little. Bit but
(16:34):
eight wins guys in The Big ten conference and you're
gonna play in a bowl. Game considering in two years
and now you're a top fifteen signing. Class and congratulations
all the young guys today that are that are that
are joining and signing. Early do you have a? Collective
you have nil, money you have facilities or as good
as anybody in the. Country, YEAH I I i'm a, realist,
(16:57):
dude that these are these are good positive. Things the
longer we can keep stability and the continuity of coaching
is the reason why you. Win, okay when They're, IOWA
i Mean, Utah, oregon for gof's, sakes coaches that STAY
i Mean Lang kevin took six years to build something
(17:17):
and he finally builds it and then he takes. OFF
i can't hate on, that but it takes. Time, shoot
you could be cal And Justin wilcox get Fired. Stanford
every one of these programs that are in, downtrodden they
have to start over from, scratch complete. Scratch Kurt signetti,
flipped he flipped the. Script but also, remember, guys is
(17:38):
that every time these coaches come from other coaches like
like The mac just getting poached in all the conference
IN usas and they're taking their rosters with. Them Jim
mora when he goes To Colorado state is bringing twenty
some guys with him From yukon and signing every one
of his guys to join him At. Colorado they leave
with their. Rosters, Now jed Brought arizona roster with. Him
(18:03):
so this is what college football has. Done SO i
like the fact that we have stability right, now And
i'm hoping that it stays stable for a.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
While All, Right, well thank you for the.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Season it's been awesome having you on this, year great
analysis all season. Long it Is National Signing. Day let's
close with A Cam cleveland. Story let's take us back
to eighteen year Old Cam cleveland making that big decision
to sign with The.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Dogs probably had a mullet back, then and.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Probably how did You how did you know curly one.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
In the?
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Depths?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
No, no naturally for the basketball. Season it was basketball.
SEASON i didn't want all that extra, weight you, know
SO i just had to kept it. DOWN i signed
it during the right in my principal's office At Cedar
Willie High school with my, principal my, parents and some friends.
Around no, cameras, what, no, nothing just a nice. Sign
(18:59):
you know what we did, next, Guys we put it
in the fax. Machine if everybody out there that was
that nice put it in the fax. Machine AND i
was a, husky so there you.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Go then we all went To Pizza, hut had deep
dish and celebrated.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
College. Scout no, no, No.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
SHAKY'S i went To Shaky shout out To Shaky pizza
in The.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
NORTHWEST i hear.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
That love it all, right, Man we'll talk. Soon but
thanks again for the entire. Season it's been awesome having
you on every week.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Again all, right thanks, guys appreciate.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
It all.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Right there he Is Cam cleveland joining.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
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Speaker 1 (19:57):
Long great to have you part of our team there as.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Well all, Right coming up, next The seahawks offensive line
could undergo a little bit of a change heading into next.
Week if he didn't hear What greg said about the
old line, yesterday we'll replace some of that for you
and react On chuck And Buck Sports radio ninety three
point three kJ r F.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
M one of you is best thing? There, yeah very.
Popular did it sound Like? Huey was that Really? Huey? No, No,
no That's Elton. John oh that's, right any of. That,
YEAH i didn't know. That The, Jets bucky and his
buddy's getting out of. Town. Yeah the old, man old.
Man oh, boy, YEP i did kiss the wife and
(20:38):
kids goodbye this, morning see you. Later and she Said benny.
Didn't benny did.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Not benny got, back got Into bucky's bed After buddy
got out.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Of, no, No benny knows better than that to sleep
a little. Longer he wouldn't want, To. Benny benny wouldn't
want this to be his last. Birthday oh it would. Be,
yeah we got a, TRACTOR i can dig. Holes but, Anyway,
no it's it's gonna be. Fun i'm looking forward to.
It but she, said just be, careful be. Careful, yeah
(21:13):
AND i know what she meant by.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
That.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
SMART i will. BE i can't say that about everybody
smart ish at least like mostly.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Smart if you're looking at a, percentage be like ninety
percent smart and you can have like ten percent.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Stupidity, YEAH i think you.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Go, yeah nine point nine. Fun, yeah you know you
just got to be seven point five.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Smart. Yeah. Yeah, luckily my Boy pooky's going to be there.
Too he AND i we keep, it keep every the
group Of ninko and, Poops we keep them kind of
under control a little. Bit, oh we've done this before
For benny's bachelor. Party pooky And benny And.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Benny you're making fun of the people THAT i grew
up on their Names, Pooky, benny And.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Bucky, Yeah, bucky.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
He's actually his Name's, paul BUT i don't Think i've
ever called. It from, ON i think you have a
nickname for all your, Friends, DUKE i? Do, yeah, Exactly,
duke who?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Do all, right that's a great. One.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Nicknames, okay so here's my recommendation for your get. Together
everybody has their nickname name tag they got to wear
through the entire.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Weekend all, Right so even when you, GO i don't
have a nickname, Though.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Bucky, yeah that's are you have? One they just haven't told.
You because you have a tractor and you'll dig.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Hole it, Works that's like it works like in a
baseball locker. Room you don't need a nickname because your last,
name why, yeah do? That you could Be Bookie yeickerson Book, sure.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
That's, sorry that's all. Right, so, Yeah bucky is going
till nine o'clock today and then we won't see him.
AGAIN i don't know If i'll make it that. Long, yeah,
Well i'll see he tuned out at seven Seas.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Offensive line certainly at its worst week of the, season
this past week worst. Job and it wasn't even a
question of Protecting Sam darnold against The Minnesota. Vikings maybe
we can give credit To Brian flores and we don't
necessarily have to blame The seahawks offensive line Because flores
didn seem to have a great. Plan but, nonetheless whatever's going,
(23:07):
on some alarm bells were sent off Because Sam darnold
has to have some time to. Throw when you can
only GET js and the ball a couple of times
in a, game you don't have enough time to, throw,
uh and that cannot continue going Into atlanta and.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Beyond and so With Jalen, SNDEL i mean he can.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Come off THE. Ir we haven't, heard at LEAST i haven't.
Heard maybe there's some information out there THAT i. MISSED
i haven't heard that he's going to be activated just
because he's. Eligible but obviously once he becomes, eligible you
start thinking about getting him back into the. Lineup he
was in the starting center for all those great weeks With,
sam and now that he's coming, back it makes you
(23:49):
wonder who's struggling more?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Upfront is It?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Ola With timmy at center and is or is It
Anthony bradford at right? Guard and Will Jalen sndel come
back to start at guard and not? Center we Asked
greg about that.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yesterday, well it's interesting Because, sundell if you, remember during training,
camp was one of the three competitors for the right guard.
Job it Was Christian haynes who actually started training camp
as the, starter and then it Was Anthony, bradford and
they Had sundell then director looking twenty twenty, four who
did some guard work in practices last. Year sundell ended
(24:25):
up proving to be so good at center that he
beat Out oli With timmy and took that. Job, well
now he's been on ir olal With timmy is at,
center and if you take McDonald at his, word he
really likes How. Ola timmy's played in the two games
three games Since sundell went out with a knee, injury
which makes the, question now do you keep some ol
(24:47):
With timmy where he's been. Good sundell is eligible to
come off of injured reserve this time next. Week the
fourth consecutive game he'll miss is The atlanta game this,
weekend AND i asked yesterday McDonald how he's progressing toward
potentially practicing next. Week he says he's doing really, well
AND i, said is he going to come back to
(25:07):
be a guard or a? Center and he, said we're
still working through what the lineup's going to look like
when he comes, back which is a really telling statement to.
ME i think they're thinking about putting him at guards
and Having sundell play right guard next To Ovala timmy
to not disturb What Olala timmy's done in the center
of the offensive. Line so competition on the horizon perhaps
(25:30):
For Anthony. Bradford, now as you said, yesterday McDonald said
that he Thought bradford played a pretty good. Game he
said there were some good plays and some not some good.
Plays but when he was asked about fans especially Criticizing
bradford for standing around look like he's waiting on a
bus and some pass protection, snaps he, SAID i think
he's played pretty. Well so we'll. See but there is
(25:53):
going to be competition somewhere Because sondell is not going
to come, back and said he's either going to play,
center he's going to play. Guard WHAT i saw in training, camp,
GUYS i think the best line right, NOW i Think
sindell's a better center Than ol With. Timmy but if
they're good With olo With timmy at, CENTER i think
their best line would Be, Ol timmy at, center And
sindela right.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Guard Greg bell with us yesterday talking about the offensive,
LINE i would, SAY i don't know how much he
can take a head coach at his word at any.
LEVEL i, mean because he also did say that he's
been pleased with the Way Anthony bradford's, playing even though
the entire fan base seems to be upset with.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
It he's also said that after the.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Game the other, day and then even with a little
bit of time to talk to think about, it he
said it earlier this. Week and Even, hugh who's not
Liked Anthony bradford pretty much all season, long did On
Mark show yesterday Defend Anthony bradford's. Play it wasn't as
bad as what it looked, like and there were a
couple of isolated highlights that made him look like he
(26:57):
was blocking.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Air and yet Who hugh had an next explanation for.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It i'm not SURE i could come up with an
explanation for, it but he had an explanation for. It bottom,
line he was saying that Maybe Anthony bradford is getting
killed a little bit too much this, week and maybe
he wouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Replaced in that. Situation, MAYBE i. GUESS i, MEAN i don't.
KNOW i don't Believe mike McDonald when he's SAYING i
think he's playing pretty good now if he wants to
find reasons why maybe it looks worse than it, Was,
Okay i'll listen to, That BUT i, Mean i'm just
coming from A i'm not a guy that sits here
and studies it or acts Like i'm some you, know
(27:38):
former pro that knows it, right that really can dive.
It i'm just saying watching. It there's times THAT i
watch offensive line right Because i'm not wanting him to
get To Sam donald because then he's fumbling some balls or,
he's you, know just recently through those, picks and so
It's i'm watching offensive, line and more often than, not
if someone comes in there, quickly they're coming By sam
(27:59):
Or Anthony. Bradford if the pocket, collapses And i'm not
talking about the tackles, received you, know conceding that they're
going to be able to get, upfield but if the
inside of the pocket collapses it typically is Where Anthony
bradford was. At to, me it's it seems like a
weakness and if IF i pros say that it isn't, Okay,
Yeah i'm just saying the layman's. EYES i watch it
(28:21):
AND i see the dude looks like he's blocking ghosts
and there's a real live human heading back towards the.
Quarterback and Then i've been on run. Plays if it's
maybe you suck it pass, blocking but then be really
good at run. Blocking don't be bad at. Both and to,
me it's like WHEN i watch, him he looks like
that's it could be an upgrade. POSSIBILITY i don't Think
(28:42):
Olo timmy has been, outstanding but it doesn't look like
he's been a guy that people are just running by.
Either so you go Ol timmy and Sundw. Yes. Yes
and if Ol timmy is just a center and he can't,
play you, know guard like they obviously Know, sundell could
they moved him, INSIDE i think maybe that's the lesser
(29:03):
of two. Evils if you get that's your best combo
of two guys out of the, three and you, know
maybe it doesn't, work but you then you should Have.
Bradford maybe you can rest up a little. Bit maybe he's,
tired he just needs A, yeah somebody give that guy.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
NAP i, MEAN i get. IT i need a nap
usually every. Day, yeah so if he's.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Not getting past blocking is going to. Crap SINCE i
started doing this, Show.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Yeah, yeah you couldn't put me out there on A
sunday IF i haven't napped all.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
WEEK i look Like Jermaina fetti out there not saying.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Something, yeah all, right coming up. Next holiday analytics were introduced.
Yesterday we have combined the worlds the That Mike holmgren
never wanted to see intertwined and we're doing it just
to get it coach a little. Bit holiday analytics Before
bucky hits the. Road It's Sports radio ninety three point
three kJ r F. M, yeah you get the, Throat
(30:03):
i'll get another.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
One i'll get a sock with some quarters in, it
And i'll dig a.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Hole and if there's one, thing As Mike holmgrin AND,
i our relationship grows and really does.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Flourish.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah here over the years where we've Where i've really
changed him is, uh it's really coming around on. Analytics
it sounds like to me in football and he really
does love me kind of toying with holiday traditions and
timing things.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Out, okay so there's a, lot he, said a lot
of really good, stuff really good stuff times you say
stuff like. This i'm my, GOD i don't think he's
coming around at all on either of those. Things i'm pretty,
sure especially the. Holidays now THAT i hear the truth
spit back at, ME i think you're. Right, yeah he
doesn't seem to be coming around at. All does he
(30:53):
no changing holiday? Traditions He, ACTUALLY i think there's. ANGER
i think he kind of wants to push me. Down. Yeah,
yeah he'd make you run a lap if you run his,
team there would be violence. Involved all.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Right, well you know, what because of, that and that
really is the, truth and it hurts me and my
soul that he feels that. WAY i, said let's combine
the two and really piss him. Off Uh, so, uh
it's time for holiday, analytics which we introduced to, yesterday
and so we're gonna use analytics to figure out exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
How we should be celebrating.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Either, so according to The santa clause the, Movie, Uh
santa's desired weight is one hundred and ninety two pounds
one hundred and ninety two. Pounds that's according to, scripture
and rumor has it that he's docking in these days
(31:48):
at about three.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Bills these are eight, bills.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Right analytics say two and sixty point four pounds is
the perfect desired weight For Santa, claus plump enough to
fit into his uh, persona but not so plump as
to that.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
We have to worry about whether or not he's going
to be able to finish this year's.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Ride, okay so do you buy the analytics it's two
hundred and sixty point three five? Pounds is that the
right spot For santa to be in and? Can and
remember he's a five foot eleven inch.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Man oh that's. It, Okay ACTUALLY i did not know
he's five. Eleven that's a big. BOY i, MEAN i
just don't want him to get, BECAUSE i, mean two
sixties is just a. Number but two sixty stretched out
over a six foot four, frame for, Example i've been that, Before,
yeah and it's, uh IT'S i felt, FLIMSY i FELT
i felt way free. Thin NOW i gol to fit
down a chimney much. Easier the ride would have been
(32:44):
far more enjoyable bending over to tie My santa boots
IF i had them at the, time that would have been.
Better five eleven two sixty. STILL i, mean but then,
Again i'm not going to mess for somebody that's got.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
MAGIC i, mean he's got jelly, cheeks his Magic rosie, cheeks.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
A little extra fluff when you live at The North
Pole chili up. There i'm giving him to.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Sixty and there are some reports out there that say
it's five to. Six oh, yeah So i'm giving him to.
SIXTY i THINK i think the analytics are being fair
and Reason.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
YEAH i would, say because they got to have the
bowl full of, jelly, right, Yeah AND i mean that's the.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Key, Okay, YEAH i mean pot of. Minds we just
don't want to in shape Fit. SANTA i think you're okay,
now BUT i want. YOU i want you to take
care of. Yourself Missus claus wants to make sure you're
around for a, While. Santa, yeah she does a good.
Job over three bills is definitely too. Much too. Much,
yeah you're buying the. ANALYTICS i don't like. It say
(33:41):
what we got going. HERE i wanted to almost disagree and, like,
no it's got to be too fifty five ish or
to seventy OR i wanted to just, disagree but, SURE i,
said to sixty ish sounds. Good, okay all? Right you,
KNOW i.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Think whatever Weight santa wants to be is fine with,
me because My santa is happy and jolly and healthy
no matter what weight he.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Is, sure but, YEAH i could go with sixty. Though
to sixty is.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Fine you're buying the. Analytics look at, you. Guys see
you're more analytical people than you.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
THINK i didn't realize until this very.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
MOMENT i put us up all these, walls and it's,
like if you read the, analytics sometimes it does make.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Sense SOMETIMES i don't want to be too. Thin we
don't want to, be you, know morbidly. Obese, yeah one hundred.
PERCENT i just don't know for sure if the analytics
of tow sixty one point what did you say to
sixty point three five to sixty point three? Five C
i don't think analytics knows crap about the point three
five and whether that, matters, WELL.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
I don't know that a scale could EVEN i just
go to to sixty point five to sixty point.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Five. Yeah. No, see that's the problem with analytics is
they get too deep into the weeds with a, thing
and we do have remember to get up and down the.
Chimney he.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Doesn't, actually it's just like a twitch of his nose
and he's.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Down that's one part of the.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Story, okay he, touches touches the side of his. Nose
he doesn't have to actually fit in the.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
CHIMNEY i don't think you're fitting in the, chimney SAYING
i think that's been a.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
LIE i think what you've done is you've. Breaken you've
broken and entered a lot of, homes and you probably
are wanted by the law a.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Chance and see every time he's won by the, law
he just gives him a great gift and he's off the.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Hook, yeah you're automatically on the naughty. List all, Right,
bucky you have a good. TRIP i will ye get
over to sixty point three five while you're on the.
Trip i'm not going to be anywhere near to. Sixty,
okay that's a.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Promise coming up, Next Scott eklingle join, us we'll talk
about recruiting day and apparently there's been a player that
has flipped to The huskies that we're gonna have to
find out some information. About next Sports radio ninety three
point three kJ a r F m
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