December 30, 2025 • 38 mins
GENE STERATORE (CBS Rules Analyst) - Did Puka Nacua have one of the greatest catches of all time and why didn’t it count? - Can Gene explain the Seahawks 2nd quarter chaos? - Was Mike Jackson in-bounds on that Darnold interception in the endzone? - Let’s get to the bottom of the facemask/horse collar no-call? - And we can’t let Gene go without getting some clarification on the Darnold fumble… :30- EVERETT FITZHUGH (Kraken Audio Network PxP) We are making Everett’s dreams come true one Bucky hug at a time! Suddenly the Kraken have won 4 of their last 5 games and took last night’s loss to a shootout. The Kraken have only allowed 1 or 2 goals in each of their last 5 games, how have they turned it around? Why does this team struggle so much in a shootout? :45- Do the Seahawks have a legit running back competition on their hands? Zach Charbonnet has emerged as a real threat to Ken Walker’s starting spot. Does Charbonnet deserve to be RB 1?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for Checking Bucks weekly visit with former NFL
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh every Tuesday eight o'clock All football season long, we've
had the privilege of chatting with CBS rules analyst and
the greatest NFL official of all time, Jean Stertur, who
joins us again today our final conversation at twenty twenty
five with the great Gene Sterotor. Happy New Year, sir.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Happy New Year, Chuck bucking Ashley.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Do you have any big plans where you're going to
be for New Year's.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Actually, my lovely wife and I are taking off New
Year's morning and flying to Kansas City to visit the
great children from my favorite child who's blessed me with
a couple of those, and again we're gonna work our
way back to New York for Week eighteen and a
good slate of NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Would one of your other children throw a challenge flag
on that or is it pretty obvious and clear that
you have a favorite.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, listen, daughter Natalie always gets the pass. The girls
always get to pass.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
And the other son Andrew.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You know, we just keep shipping more wine and telling
them to drink more wine. And you know, the guest
house was open. I don't know what's going on there,
but we'll we'll work on it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
All right, All right, Well, I hope you have a
great time. We'll pick your brain here about a few
things that happen. And I actually, I mean, we got
a lot of things to discuss from the last Seahawks game,
but I do want to ask you about Monday night football.
I thought I saw the best catch I've ever seen
in my entire life watching football, and yet they ruled
(01:57):
it in complete because Pooka Naku with one hand couldn't
keep control of the ball. It did separate a little
bit as he was falling out of bounds. But I'm wondering,
how is that is that possible that that's a catch
and then a fumble out of bounds because to me,
it kind of looked like he had his arm ripped
away from him after he'd already secured the ball. So anyway,
(02:20):
I'll leave it to you to tell us exactly what
you saw on the play and whether or not the
officials deprived it the greatest catch of all time.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, thanks, Chuck, I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
You know what it's I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
It brought back Lester Hayes days with me. But you know,
when the stick them on the gloves seemed like it
was just like non human But this was not the case.
To me. That was one of the greatest. Like you
talk about sticking a pass.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
He stuck it.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But then you go into these beautiful rules about how
we're going to define what a catch is and what
happens to the player immediately after possession and and.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You know what, You're right, he sticks it.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
He dots the eye both theeter in and is he
falling at the time that he is doing that? So
if he is falling at the time that he dots
the eye, are we away from the upright person dotting
the eye? And then the ball comes loose? Who cares
or he steps out of bounds right after that?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
But if he's.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Falling while he dots the eye, does he have to
maintain possession of that football throughout the entire process? And
then survive the ground, and I'm assuming I'm pretty sure
that's what they did with that last angle that we saw.
That again was two camera frames, probably in slow motion,
and looks like the ball suspending an air completely out
(03:42):
of his control was a great play. The player did
pull his hand away, but in the blended reality of
real time, I don't even know if that separation of
the hand even exists right like down on the field.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Now, we live with.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The replay situations because that's what the stakeholders have created.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
But I think this is one of those things where.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
In real time we slow that down just a little,
you go, this might be one of the greatest catches
we've ever seen, and inevitably it ends up as an
incomplete pass. And that's some of the consequences of the replaccenarios.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Geane, do you like I mean, I'm just gonna ask,
do you like that they slow it down? I mean
super high def, super duper slow motion, because to me,
it's obviously going to catch you guys in something that
is incorrect or I guess validate when you are correct,
like last night's situation. And yet it also is dependent
on whether or not the angle of the camera catches
(04:40):
it right. I mean, up until that last view that
we got, it looked like, oh my god, he stuck
that thing and then you see it floating in mid air.
He's still caught the ball in my opinion, but I
guess by the letter of the law, it's not right.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
Do you like how what they slow it down like this?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Well, no, personally, I don't. I would love to see
us find whatever percentage that is. It's something I've thought
about for really a long time in my world.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I think, if we turn this thing down twenty.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Percent from real time, ran this thing in an eighty
percent slow motion for so many reasons, and I think
one of the plays that we may talk about, the
walker catch fumble, is it a fumble?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Is it a catch that at us?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
If you slow that down only twenty percent, you just
look at that play and go, look, he didn't have
the ball along and if it's incomplete and in these
scenarios as well, I think so many things happen. And
then quite frankly, Bucky, I think one of the bigger
reasons why I don't like it is I rep this
game in real time on the field, and just like players,
when you finally get to that place, hopefully from experience
(05:41):
and being out there. The game slows down a percentage
in my world that was about eighty percent. Quite humbly
that I thought I was seeing the game in slow
motion in some ways out there. If replay is reviewing
plays at a level that officials focusing on the game
at a high level should be seeing it, Now we're
marrying in technology with what officials think, like when they
(06:05):
see that replay then and they look at it the
next day, you know, I got to get that play
right in real time. But when you look at this
pooka play, an official is no way going to ever
look and we.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Don't want them to and think how can I get
that right? Whenever it really happens to me.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
So it's kind of a it's a different level of
why don't like it outside of the fact that I
think the one hundred people in.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
The bar look at plays at twenty.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Percent slower and we come to a better consensus rather
than this dissection of frame by frame which no human
eye could ever dissect and no brain could comprehend. And
you're adding that to a game that is officiated for
the most part.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Without these safety nets.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
So no I don't. And we could talk about that
probably for a whole show. But that's really my rationale
is summarize as I.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Could make it well.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
In other words, somebody he screwed us out of seeing
one of the greatest catches of all time exactly, but
the Seahawks benefited from it, So no big deal. Geene
Stertur is with us a segment brought to you by
BMW Seattle speaking of the Seahawks. So much to comb
over from that game, I'll go ahead and start. I mean,
it's not chronological orders, but since you've already brought it up,
(07:21):
the Walker fumble incomplete pass or catch and where should
it have been spotted? And did Mike McDonald get told
that he couldn't challenge that? And then did they get
the spot right? And I mean it was just utter
chaos that entire sequence. What should have been called in
that moment, now that you've had a chance to analyze it, tons.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Of chaos and you know, chucky. We had technical difficulties
in multiple games.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Right in this window and in the ref studio.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You can sit for thirty minutes, truthfully and not have something,
and then it can crash from five different places and
perfect storm for us in an unfortunate way with the
little audio difficulty.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
But I thought the.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Walker was again that example as I saw it and
got to look at it in studios.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Slowing it down.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
If you look, when he possesses the football, this backfoot
is just down, so it's beginning to come up in
replay that counts as a one. In real time, it
doesn't even look like it exists. And then you have
two really quick steps as he's turning tucking the ball away.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
But during those other two tap taps as he's spearwetting.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
You've really now touched three feet down on the ground.
And then he's turning in just as you said earlier,
he loses the ball on his own. But I think
if you break it down and really go to this
frame by framing, it appeared to me that there was
firm possession and three feet did make their contact to
the ground in a step ball, though very.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Quick steps and take place now fumble.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I believe Walker did recover his fumble, which may have
changed something about down in distance. That's the question for
the Seahawks coaching staff. They also are on the offense,
so they have the luxury of the play clock even
though time may have been of the essence.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
But if you've got.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Three timeouts remaining and it's a play where you're looking like, look,
we're going to stop the clock anyway and get it
two for one, throw the flag because if you miss,
it's a timeout anyway, you were going to take it.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
But that's about my pay grade.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But I thought if it broke down frame by frame
that there was a chance, a good chance that that
could have been a catch fumble recovered then by walker.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I think for a couple of yard games.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Further than the incompletion, wow, well, there was a lot
of crazy stuff.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Another interesting play was the interception. Mike Jackson intercepted the
ball there in the third quarter. The first review, the
first thing that I looked at was, oh, looked like
his toe was out of bound. They end up reviewing
it like they do all turnovers, and said, yeah, his
shin hits the ground.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
First.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
To me, that was one where all right, if it did,
then it did. It didn't look like you could say
that it did for sure, as much as you couldn't
say that it didn't touch the ground. Is that the
way you looked at it or could did you get
an angle where you could see exactly that it did
touch the ground.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
No, I think you hit it, Bucky, if I'm not mistaken.
Did they rule interception on the field on the play
I was trying to Yeah, So I think that one again.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And you're right when that leg buckles underneath where this
shin starts to play down by contact plays or in
this scenario, that shin right above the ankle, if the
ankle rolls are the foot rolls, they don't count it.
It's like the back of the wrist on a hand plant,
so that really doesn't count as a body part down.
But then right above that that body part once that
(10:43):
starts to crumble and hit that ground, And in this case,
I think it was that man. Did that part of
the shin above the ankle make contact with the ground
inbounds and in a frame or two that foot's on
the white And again you're back to this really wild
frame by framing and then making a decision as to
whether the shin beat.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
The foot down on the ground.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But I think when we get into shins, it also
because we're not really down on the ground surface, you're
playing with just a tiny bit of Is that shin
really down yet or is there this you know, index
card level of distance between it in the in the
surface before we thought it was down. But then I
think when you get to these the best and the
(11:27):
most prudent way, and really the way the book is written,
these are plays that are so tight. All right, let's
go back to what they did on the field. That's
the best answer for the play. But I thought it
was really tight. I kind of felt like the shin
was down before the foot. But man, you're talking one
two hundredth of a second camera frame difference.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, So is it safe to say that if they
would have called that incomplete, that would have been held
up as well as opposed to fall in that.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I think Donald's pass fumble fell in that. I think
we had.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
A We had so many things in your game so quickly.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It was look it was job security from an analyst
for your point, like, if I ever want to like
go sell myself somewhere, I think if I take these
two and a half minutes from this game, it's like,
you mean that could really all happen, Yes, in one
game too. So what do you think do you think
I have bow you once a year or not? I mean,
you tell me, but n unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, most of it happened in one drive. For goodness sake. Uh,
Jeene Sterritor is with us here on the program, and
that's right, you were in jj Watt's ere. I even
wrote it down on all of my notes. But for
some reason, when I was recapping this last hour, I'm like,
whoever Jean's guy is was telling jj Watt apparently that
(12:49):
there was not a horse caller, So I want to
clear this all up. So we thought, and I think
the whole world thought, that there was a face mask
and a horse caller on a jay and tackle and
that both were missed. And then jj Watts said something
to the effect of, I guess that wasn't really a
horse collar. I don't know if you got in his
ear on that and explained it, but maybe you need
(13:11):
to explain it to us. Did the officials just blow
two calls on one play or is there an explanation
as to why there wasn't a flag drone there?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, the face mask myths one hundred percent miss and
from an officiating window, there's a deep official on that
sideline that really isn't or shouldn't be focusing on the
runner immediately. Whenever plays start down the sideline, that really
is for the official that will be kind of behind
the runner in that's case.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
But once that defender starts to threaten the runner, and
when a hands near a face mask.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
That downfield official needs a transition from the blocking that's
in front of them to the action on the runner
for secondary help because that official is the only one
that's going to see that head turning the hand in there,
so miss on the face mask the horse caller play
just a little bit of level of subjectivity. Now by rule,
horse caller is inside the collar on the side behind
(14:11):
on the name plate, which this was, and immediately pulling
the runner backward. So in this one, I think the
face mask actually look the hands on the name plate.
The jersey starts to go down, the other hand is
grabbing the face mask, which kind of twist.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
It twists the runner so.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
It doesn't feel and I'm again trying to teleport to
real time.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Like is that immediately pulling him to the ground or
is he spinning him with that hand? And I think
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
The spin may have come from the face mask and
how it creates the body spin. And now at the end,
he kind of felt like as we went into the sideline,
you know a what I think he finishes him because
of what he has on the nameplate. I get reluctant
to tell guys if I get to them on air,
if I think there's levels of some subjectivity, may lead
(15:00):
them into a place where they make this absolutely definitive statement,
and then this little tweak of a play causes it
not to be that. I'm more safe on those, if
that makes any sense. And in Jay J's case, I
think he's so talented and he gets so much about
what refs do, which most players don't, and it's because
(15:20):
of his study and prep and how he's really morphing
into what I think is really a great color analyst.
I think that's kind of where he was alluding to.
Again within this window, we have this technical difficulty, but
I thought he'd did a good job.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
The face mask. You got to get though, guys.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, which you got to get to play?
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Is there one? Isn't there one horse caller?
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Is it a quarterback or something in the in the
pocket where you can horse caller? Because that was one
where I was wondering if that was part of it.
This wasn't that rule, But is there one?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Well, he's out of the pocket, Bucky, But yeah, player
in the pocket between the tackles. Horse callers are allowed
kind of because defensive players are blasting into an offensive
lineman who's got to reach over a defender to a
quarterback that if he's in the pocket for most situations
is stationary where the horse caller becomes more of a
(16:11):
threat if you are running and now I pull you
back and if the impact on the legs in a
running movement to pull backwards is more inclined for safety,
So they do put that in in the NFL college
found no matter where, because the quarterbacks are more active
inside the pocket.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
But that's the.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Rationale behind where they have that activity happen and why.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
One is and one is not.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Well, then there was an actual face mask penalty that
might have been the play of the game. It might
have changed the entire game. Was it a self fulfilling prophecy,
like we have to have another face mask to fix
what was missed earlier in the in the game to
set the world right.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
In the backyard and when I played hoops on the street,
that's just called Balldo lodge that's called Baldo loge. We
left with the sporting gods come up, they find ways
at times.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
And sometimes we're lucky by that.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
But the Baldo lie because I can assure you that
in many cases.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Well, let's we got to talk about that, Sam Darnold crazy.
Was it a fumble? Was it an incompletion? Almost got
to intercept it? I mean, just the insanity. Another insane play.
So walk us through that one and what should have
been done?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
It's frame by frame, right, I mean, rule most referees,
I would say ninety nine point nine percent of the
time in these plays are gonna rule fumble because they
don't want to be blown an incomplete pass and find
out that football started to move two camera frames before
his arm went forward, and it was a loose ball
basically pushed forward by our replay technology. So you're gonna
(17:47):
see fumble ruled almost always on that play, and they
should for safety for safe reasons about it.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
If it is a fumble, let a play.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
And then you get into plays like this, which there
are not many of those, and it is that really
almost by one camera frame, this football all it feels
like it is starting to move just as this arm
is going forward, and I think those fall in these buckets,
and I think if we stayed at twenty percent slower
than real time, we would still come to a lot
(18:16):
of these conclusions, like you know what, that's too tight
for us to sit here and try to make some real,
definitive answer. We go with what they ruled on the field,
and I thought that still was in that bucket. Although
pass fumbles I have ruled on them where it was
one or two camera frames and felt like he still
had control. And this was I think, quite honestly, maybe
(18:39):
the closest one I saw this year. And really, I
think when you're just clicking one camera frame and it's changing,
I think you stay.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
With what you had, all right, all right, Well there
was a lot going on in that game, man, Yeah,
I think we.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Could still talk more because Milli Pender he actually inherited
my ref number one fourteen. He worked in my ref
studio before he became an active NFL official.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
There was a clip of showing.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Him jumping over top of equipment boxes without his hat
on to try to get to the skirmish I think
on the sideline during the game, and I told the
guys in the studio, well, when I had that number
on my back, I could have never jumped on top
of that box like that. I'd had to look for
three players and say, come here, lift me up, get
me on that box so I can jump over here
(19:33):
and stop the mess in the sideline.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
But yeah, there was a lot going on Fellaws for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Uh well, Uh cheers to a happy new year, and
uh cheers to all the refs and the very difficult
jobs that they have, and may they have a spectacular
new year in twenty twenty six, getting all the calls
right because we're in the playoffs and we're gonna need
a fair shape.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
You're here.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Everybody needs the at the lead level.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
We got one month of football up and then one
beautiful game after this month.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
This is why we do what we do. So we
hope everybody is at their best right now.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
All right, be safe, Happy new year, Thanks guys, you too,
all right. Jean Sterotor CBS Rules Analyst's greatest NFL official
of all time and maybe greatest person of all time.
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in any way, we've chatted with evert fits You, and
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Speaker 6 (21:13):
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I get hugs from fits You every time I see
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Speaker 7 (21:20):
Yeah, well that's thank god.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
I was gonna say if that wasn't written in there,
let's make sure we get that in pen.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Oh yeah, it's the first thing, first first law of
having evert fits You on the show every week, and
so joining us here on the program to celebrate the
close of twenty twenty five and the promise of twenty
twenty six is the voice of your Seattle Crack and
the amazing Everett fits You. Good morning, sir, Happy New year.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Oh fellas, Happy New Year. And Bucky.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
There's something just so safe about just collapsing into your arms,
big old bear hub. Look, man, it's just feels so warm. Oh,
I know that I'm going to be all right.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Well, you know, feelings mutual, and you're not a small
fellow fits and so I feel the same.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Never gets to feel tiny, no, Yeah, and yet listen.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
It's been my dream to be small spoon once in
my life. You're about the closest that I've ever come.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I got for a fleet moment, I thought this must
be what it's like to be Ariana Grande. Well, I
think the last time I chatted with you, because I
took a little time off and we've had the holidays,
we couldn't figure out how to win a game. And
now all of a sudden, I'm sitting here talking to
(22:46):
you about not being able to make it five in
a row last night. So things have turned since last
we spoke.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
Yeah, and you know what, It sounds so cliche, but
this team is it got back to simplifying their game.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
I mean, you look at their last five games.
Speaker 8 (23:05):
If you you know, we're not going to count the
shootout goal because it wasn't a goal against the Krack
and now for five straight games have allowed one or
two goals in each of those games. It's been a
defensive structure that made them successful the first month of
the season, which got them off to that franchise record start.
(23:27):
So it's it's been a simplifying of their game. I
think when when you're going through slumps that will happen,
you try to be a little bit too fancy, you
try to maybe you grip the stick a little bit
too tight, you try to do a little bit too much.
And I think the message just got through to the guys, like, hey,
you know, let's simplify our game.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
We know who we are, we know what makes us successful.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
And and they got back to it, and and it
wasn't the right time the game and Calgary, I remember,
you know, listening to a couple of guys postgame, and
it was it was very melancholy, it was very frustrating
and very annoying in the locker room these the way
that the guys worked hard and couldn't get it done.
(24:15):
So then you go to San Jose, you sweep your
way through California for the first time ever against three
pretty good hockey teams and against three teams that are
above you in standings, and just like that you're making
up ground. You went from being seven points back to
at least for about forty five minutes yesterday, one point
(24:35):
back of a playoff spot in the span of eight days.
So the crack back in it. And that's, I guess
the beauty of this season, the compacted schedule. Everyone is
so tight, everyone is so close. You can overcome a one,
nine and one stretch with a five game point streak,
which is what they're on right now.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Wow, that is crazy how quickly they got back into
the mix, and yet the unfortunately the wind streak comes
to a close last night against the Canucks and the
overtime shootout. I mean, they just looked tired to me.
I have no idea how difficult hockey is it. I'm
sure that it's a it's a lot, there's a lot
going on there, but they just seem tired in the shootout.
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I mean just the way in which they'd skate up there.
Is there anything to that with the you know how
they've been playing up to this point and then finding
themselves even after extra time, having to go to the shootout.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
Yeah, the shootout's been an area of opportunity. I'll say
they've worked on it quite a bit in practices. If
you're asking me personally, I think the shootout was a
wonderful gimmick twenty years ago when when they put it in,
and now I think a lot of players fans maybe you're.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Going a bit tired of it, but it's still part
of the game.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
You know, the shootout is it's it's a total crap
shoot right. I mean Kevin lanket in for the Vancouver Canucks.
I read all time that he has won thirteen of
his fourteen shootouts.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
In his career.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
There are some goalies that are just lights out during
the shootout. Kevin Lankinton's one of them. And the cracking
and running into some hot goalies and I mean, you're
really you can't coach the shootout, right, It's like trying
to coach a home run derby, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
It's like, hey, you just go up and hit the.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
Baseball, give me your best move and try to beat
the goalie. There's no system, there's no you know, two
on one there there's nothing, right like, it's go up
there and try to score. So you can't coach the
home run derby. You can only practice invp. You can't
really coach the shootout. You can only just try your
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best moves in practice so many times and unfortunately for Seattle,
and they've fallen victim now four times to the shootout
this year.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, if you ever do find yourself in a home
run derby, Bucky could at least give you some tips.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
Yeah. Yeah, maybe he.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Can't coach you, Yeah yeah, if you ever, but if
you ever find yourself in that situation, he's your guy.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Yeah, well I'll coach you.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
It's just whether or not you're coachable enough and talented enough.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
Yeah. I think you are.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
And we're gonna go down the line. Can I use
a metal bat?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Yeah, yeah, we'll get you a big one.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
I remember the story Caitlin de Boor one time told
he was talking about how he played college baseball. He
was he was a baseball prospect, and he knew it
was time to give it up when he said he
hit the hardest ball he'd ever hit his entire life
with a wooden bat, and it barely made it out
of the infield.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
And I feel like that's that's me. I feel like
that would be me.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
I would just get a hold of one and it'd
be a little number right back to the third piece.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Ever fits you is with us?
Speaker 7 (27:58):
All right?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
So how important is this New Year's Day game with
the Predators? And I say it from this perspective, So
you went on this drought and then all of a
sudden you got in a tear uh, and then you
lose a game via a shootout, but it's.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Still you know, you don't win the game.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
So how important is it then in this next game
against the Predators to to just remind yourself, like, all right,
we're not gonna sync back in anything more. What we've
been doing lately is real. That whole losing straight that
was out of character. We gotta we gotta make sure
that we got to keep this good thing going and
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not less a shootout loss trip us up in any way.
So I've just asked, how important from that standpoint is
winning New Year's Day at home against Nashville.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
Well, I mean you said it right, you have to
get back on the horse.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
You can't let you can't let that that game affect
you moving forward. Nashville is a team that is one
point you in the playoffs, So you're playing a really
good team who's been surging as of late. Your next
four game, I mean, your next ten games essentially are
going to be against either playoff teams, teams that are.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Directly with you or or two to four points back
of you.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
So against Nashville, I mean, you've had a lot of
success against them. You beat them twice in their building
last season. The Kraken can't let that shootout loss affect them.
And like I said before, their last five games they
have allowed one or two goals in each of those games.
They've gotten back to what's made them successful. They're a
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point back of Seattle. So you have to go into
this game thinking another playoff mindset, Right, we have to
get these two points. Nashville wins this game, they're gonna
leap fraud us in the standings.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
That's the motivation going into Thursday.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
And then you're back in Vancouver on Friday Day with
a chance at some revenge so to speak. So I
mean two really important games Thursday and Friday. But Nashville,
you need to get back in the win column, and
you can't dwell on a really good effort last night
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that didn't result in a second point.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
All right, Well, happy New Year. To you, sir, are
you gonna do anything? I mean, you'll be home, so
anything to celebrate You and Al gonna get together with
the wives and you know, maybe toast the top the
space needles, you know, something fun, something you know, meg
Ryanish like that.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
I'm gonna put my three year old to bed, and
my wife and I are going to toasting nice glass
of sparkling grape juice and then we'll go off to we.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Celebrate that what we're calling it these days. That's the
weirdest euphemism I've ever heard.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
Yep, sparkling grape juice.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Sparkling grapeeers. We celebrate East Coast New Year.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
So ten, it's been like four years since I've even
made it to midnight.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
I tried, I've tried.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, it just doesn't happen.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Last year, yeah, last year I was. I was a bachelor.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
On New Year's Eve, my wife and my son were
back back in Jersey where she's from, so I went
uh downtown.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
I saw the fireworks on the needle.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
I was hanging out at Buckley's with some friends watching
some football, and I caught the fireworks and it was
really cool. I've never experienced a seattle New Year's Eve
and it was.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
It was pretty fun last year. So I got my
one in.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
But uh no, we're gonna We're gonna watch the ball
drop in Times Square at nine pm, and I will
be fast asleep by ten.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Okay, well, cheers, stay cozy, Cheers to the fits Hughes,
and we'll talk to you next year.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
We'll see you next year.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
All right, ever, fits you the voice of your Seattle
crack and he and L will be back on the
call New Year's Night against the Nashville Predators coming up next,
Walker or Charbonney? Do we have to make that decision
before Saturday night's game. Sports Radio ninety three point three
kjr FM. All right, So is the new Dallas Renegades
(32:26):
head coach still joining us.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
At nine o'clock?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
As far as I know, I checked in with him yesterday.
Now this was pre new sheriff in town toay, well,
we do have a little bit of breaking news. I
don't know how that's going to affect Sports Radio ninety
three point three kJ r FM. But Rick new Isel
might be changing jobs after some flirtation with Washington State.
(32:50):
Looks like he's going to be going to the Dallas
Renegades of the watch a Ma Jigger League, you know,
the the UFL, the combination of the.
Speaker 7 (33:04):
XFO, the USFL.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
The UFL. And so he's been involved in those leagues
before and had a lot of success down there in Arizona.
But he obviously wanted to coach. He wanted to coach
some ball while he's still young enough to coach some
ball and lead some men. And so he was obviously
very serious about that. And so he is going to
(33:27):
become the next head coach of the Dallas Renegades. That
announced about an hour ago. So that said, we'll chat
with him, hopefully at nine o'clock if his life's not
too crazy, we'll still have our opportunity to talk some
college football with him and find out about this newest
adventure for Rick Neuheisel. In the meantime, Seahawks forty nine
ers getting ready for Saturday night. And look, I don't
(33:50):
know if it's time to make a change to the
starting lineup, if you will, heading into the last week
of the regular season, when you've accomplished so much. I mean,
you're thirteen in three right now. But I will say this,
that was about the most frustrated I've been with ken
Walker in a game that I can remember, and I
think I was the most impressed. I've been with Zach
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Sharboney in a game that I can remember. And so
when you put those two things together and you're getting
ready for your biggest game of the year, I can't
help but wonder if you're not Mike McDonald thinking about
a bigger role for Zach Charbonay, maybe more of the
Lion's share of Carri's. I watched Sharbonay run decisively and
(34:34):
excellently on Sunday against Carolina and Bucky, I swear I
watch ken Walker and I wrote down on my sheet,
I'm like, is he ever going to run where the
play's designed? And I realized that he wasn't getting a
lot of help up front, but Zach Sharbonay's got the
same offensive line in front of him, and he seemed
to be finding his way down the field. Ken Walker
(34:56):
just now it's not there and just bailed on it
almost every single carry on Sunday. Probably most of those
decisions were justified, but at some point you do just
kind of have to go where the where the play
is designed to go, and I don't think ken Walker
did it once on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Uh yeah, I mean I didn't notice it that like
you're talking about, but I do tend to notice that
just overarching kind of feel where it rightfully so to
some extent, there's times where it looks like it's heading
in the a gap or something and there's two dudes
right there, so he's immediately trying to bounce it. There's
other times where it's like the bounce should happen at
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the land of scrimmage or beyond the line of scrimmage,
if there's a if you can there's an ass you
can run off of, then hit it, you know, two, three,
four yards?
Speaker 7 (35:42):
We all. I mean, you don't have to be a
running back. You don't have to be a former quarterback
to have watched football and know that.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Sometimes the best running back in the game, or the
guys that are having good years sometimes they just see
it and they're like, yeah, it's not much, but I
can split right between these two guys and I'm going
to get two, maybe three or four yards, And now
of a sudden, you're kind of still on track. You
try to bounce it and you lose a yard or
(36:10):
you just barely get back to the line of scrimmage
and at second and ten that's completely different than the
second six. And I do think that he does that
more often than I would be willing to bet, more
often than the organization wants him to.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
There's this great line from Gladiators that has always stuck
with me. Or Gladiate, not Gladiators, Gladiator, the difference between Gladiators, yes, Gladiator, yes.
But Maximus at one this point he turns to like
his servant, if you will, and you know, they're all
talking about the whole thing's about freedom and all that stuff,
(36:43):
and he just asked him. He's like, do you enjoy
your job? And he says, sometimes I do what I
want to do. Most of the times, I do what
I have to do.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
Mh.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
That's life as.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
A running back.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Sometimes the play opens up and you've got open field
and you get to do what you want to be
a running back. You get to gallop in the meadow
and for as many yards as you can and if
you can outrun all the other horses, oh man, that's
our breathtaking feeling. But as a running back in the
National Football League, most of the time, you just got
to take what the defense gives you. And then hopefully
(37:18):
get a little bit more. That's the job of a
running it. Saquon Barkley had to learn that. He was
the same way and Brian day Balls. The one thing
Brian da Bole contributed to football, he taught Saquon Barkley
to be a superstar. He had superstar potential, but he
had to start running like an NFL running back and
not like a college running back who could just out
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juke everyone. And that's the same thing with ken Walker.
And I thought Sunday was about the worst I've seen
him perform in that arena. I thought he was terrible
at it on Sunday. And it didn't help that Zach
Charbonnay was so effective running just the opposite. So I
don't know, we'll see, We'll see if there's a change
an adjustment. I would imagine ken Walker gets the start,
(38:03):
but maybe as a little shorter of a rope heading
into Saturday, because I don't know if Mike McDonald's gonna
live with that in such a big game for mini carries.
All right, Coming up next, Rick new Isael hopefully Sports
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
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Speaker 3 (00:45):
Happy New Year, Chuck bucking Ashley.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Do you have any big plans where you're going to
be for New Year's.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Actually, my lovely wife and I are taking off New
Year's morning and flying to Kansas City to visit the
great children from my favorite child who's blessed me with
a couple of those, and again we're gonna work our
way back to New York for Week eighteen and a
good slate of NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Would one of your other children throw a challenge flag
on that or is it pretty obvious and clear that
you have a favorite.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, listen, daughter Natalie always gets the pass. The girls
always get to pass.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
And the other son Andrew.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You know, we just keep shipping more wine and telling
them to drink more wine. And you know, the guest
house was open. I don't know what's going on there,
but we'll we'll work on it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
All right, All right, Well, I hope you have a
great time. We'll pick your brain here about a few
things that happen. And I actually, I mean, we got
a lot of things to discuss from the last Seahawks game,
but I do want to ask you about Monday night football.
I thought I saw the best catch I've ever seen
in my entire life watching football, and yet they ruled
(01:57):
it in complete because Pooka Naku with one hand couldn't
keep control of the ball. It did separate a little
bit as he was falling out of bounds. But I'm wondering,
how is that is that possible that that's a catch
and then a fumble out of bounds because to me,
it kind of looked like he had his arm ripped
away from him after he'd already secured the ball. So anyway,
(02:20):
I'll leave it to you to tell us exactly what
you saw on the play and whether or not the
officials deprived it the greatest catch of all time.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, thanks, Chuck, I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
You know what it's I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
It brought back Lester Hayes days with me. But you know,
when the stick them on the gloves seemed like it
was just like non human But this was not the case.
To me. That was one of the greatest. Like you
talk about sticking a pass.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
He stuck it.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
But then you go into these beautiful rules about how
we're going to define what a catch is and what
happens to the player immediately after possession and and.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You know what, You're right, he sticks it.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
He dots the eye both theeter in and is he
falling at the time that he is doing that? So
if he is falling at the time that he dots
the eye, are we away from the upright person dotting
the eye? And then the ball comes loose? Who cares
or he steps out of bounds right after that?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
But if he's.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Falling while he dots the eye, does he have to
maintain possession of that football throughout the entire process? And
then survive the ground, and I'm assuming I'm pretty sure
that's what they did with that last angle that we saw.
That again was two camera frames, probably in slow motion,
and looks like the ball suspending an air completely out
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of his control was a great play. The player did
pull his hand away, but in the blended reality of
real time, I don't even know if that separation of
the hand even exists right like down on the field.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Now, we live with.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The replay situations because that's what the stakeholders have created.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
But I think this is one of those things where.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
In real time we slow that down just a little,
you go, this might be one of the greatest catches
we've ever seen, and inevitably it ends up as an
incomplete pass. And that's some of the consequences of the replaccenarios.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Geane, do you like I mean, I'm just gonna ask,
do you like that they slow it down? I mean
super high def, super duper slow motion, because to me,
it's obviously going to catch you guys in something that
is incorrect or I guess validate when you are correct,
like last night's situation. And yet it also is dependent
on whether or not the angle of the camera catches
(04:40):
it right. I mean, up until that last view that
we got, it looked like, oh my god, he stuck
that thing and then you see it floating in mid air.
He's still caught the ball in my opinion, but I
guess by the letter of the law, it's not right.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
Do you like how what they slow it down like this?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Well, no, personally, I don't. I would love to see
us find whatever percentage that is. It's something I've thought
about for really a long time in my world.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I think, if we turn this thing down twenty.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Percent from real time, ran this thing in an eighty
percent slow motion for so many reasons, and I think
one of the plays that we may talk about, the
walker catch fumble, is it a fumble?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Is it a catch that at us?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
If you slow that down only twenty percent, you just
look at that play and go, look, he didn't have
the ball along and if it's incomplete and in these
scenarios as well, I think so many things happen. And
then quite frankly, Bucky, I think one of the bigger
reasons why I don't like it is I rep this
game in real time on the field, and just like players,
when you finally get to that place, hopefully from experience
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and being out there. The game slows down a percentage
in my world that was about eighty percent. Quite humbly
that I thought I was seeing the game in slow
motion in some ways out there. If replay is reviewing
plays at a level that officials focusing on the game
at a high level should be seeing it, Now we're
marrying in technology with what officials think, like when they
(06:05):
see that replay then and they look at it the
next day, you know, I got to get that play
right in real time. But when you look at this
pooka play, an official is no way going to ever
look and we.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Don't want them to and think how can I get
that right? Whenever it really happens to me.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
So it's kind of a it's a different level of
why don't like it outside of the fact that I
think the one hundred people in.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
The bar look at plays at twenty.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Percent slower and we come to a better consensus rather
than this dissection of frame by frame which no human
eye could ever dissect and no brain could comprehend. And
you're adding that to a game that is officiated for
the most part.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Without these safety nets.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
So no I don't. And we could talk about that
probably for a whole show. But that's really my rationale
is summarize as I.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Could make it well.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
In other words, somebody he screwed us out of seeing
one of the greatest catches of all time exactly, but
the Seahawks benefited from it, So no big deal. Geene
Stertur is with us a segment brought to you by
BMW Seattle speaking of the Seahawks. So much to comb
over from that game, I'll go ahead and start. I mean,
it's not chronological orders, but since you've already brought it up,
(07:21):
the Walker fumble incomplete pass or catch and where should
it have been spotted? And did Mike McDonald get told
that he couldn't challenge that? And then did they get
the spot right? And I mean it was just utter
chaos that entire sequence. What should have been called in
that moment, now that you've had a chance to analyze it, tons.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Of chaos and you know, chucky. We had technical difficulties
in multiple games.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Right in this window and in the ref studio.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You can sit for thirty minutes, truthfully and not have something,
and then it can crash from five different places and
perfect storm for us in an unfortunate way with the
little audio difficulty.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
But I thought the.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Walker was again that example as I saw it and
got to look at it in studios.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Slowing it down.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
If you look, when he possesses the football, this backfoot
is just down, so it's beginning to come up in
replay that counts as a one. In real time, it
doesn't even look like it exists. And then you have
two really quick steps as he's turning tucking the ball away.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
But during those other two tap taps as he's spearwetting.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
You've really now touched three feet down on the ground.
And then he's turning in just as you said earlier,
he loses the ball on his own. But I think
if you break it down and really go to this
frame by framing, it appeared to me that there was
firm possession and three feet did make their contact to
the ground in a step ball, though very.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Quick steps and take place now fumble.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I believe Walker did recover his fumble, which may have
changed something about down in distance. That's the question for
the Seahawks coaching staff. They also are on the offense,
so they have the luxury of the play clock even
though time may have been of the essence.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
But if you've got.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Three timeouts remaining and it's a play where you're looking like, look,
we're going to stop the clock anyway and get it
two for one, throw the flag because if you miss,
it's a timeout anyway, you were going to take it.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
But that's about my pay grade.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But I thought if it broke down frame by frame
that there was a chance, a good chance that that
could have been a catch fumble recovered then by walker.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I think for a couple of yard games.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
Further than the incompletion, wow, well, there was a lot
of crazy stuff.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Another interesting play was the interception. Mike Jackson intercepted the
ball there in the third quarter. The first review, the
first thing that I looked at was, oh, looked like
his toe was out of bound. They end up reviewing
it like they do all turnovers, and said, yeah, his
shin hits the ground.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
First.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
To me, that was one where all right, if it did,
then it did. It didn't look like you could say
that it did for sure, as much as you couldn't
say that it didn't touch the ground. Is that the
way you looked at it or could did you get
an angle where you could see exactly that it did
touch the ground.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
No, I think you hit it, Bucky, if I'm not mistaken.
Did they rule interception on the field on the play
I was trying to Yeah, So I think that one again.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And you're right when that leg buckles underneath where this
shin starts to play down by contact plays or in
this scenario, that shin right above the ankle, if the
ankle rolls are the foot rolls, they don't count it.
It's like the back of the wrist on a hand plant,
so that really doesn't count as a body part down.
But then right above that that body part once that
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starts to crumble and hit that ground, And in this case,
I think it was that man. Did that part of
the shin above the ankle make contact with the ground
inbounds and in a frame or two that foot's on
the white And again you're back to this really wild
frame by framing and then making a decision as to
whether the shin beat.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
The foot down on the ground.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But I think when we get into shins, it also
because we're not really down on the ground surface, you're
playing with just a tiny bit of Is that shin
really down yet or is there this you know, index
card level of distance between it in the in the
surface before we thought it was down. But then I
think when you get to these the best and the
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most prudent way, and really the way the book is written,
these are plays that are so tight. All right, let's
go back to what they did on the field. That's
the best answer for the play. But I thought it
was really tight. I kind of felt like the shin
was down before the foot. But man, you're talking one
two hundredth of a second camera frame difference.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, So is it safe to say that if they
would have called that incomplete, that would have been held
up as well as opposed to fall in that.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I think Donald's pass fumble fell in that. I think
we had.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
A We had so many things in your game so quickly.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It was look it was job security from an analyst
for your point, like, if I ever want to like
go sell myself somewhere, I think if I take these
two and a half minutes from this game, it's like,
you mean that could really all happen, Yes, in one
game too. So what do you think do you think
I have bow you once a year or not? I mean,
you tell me, but n unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, most of it happened in one drive. For goodness sake. Uh,
Jeene Sterritor is with us here on the program, and
that's right, you were in jj Watt's ere. I even
wrote it down on all of my notes. But for
some reason, when I was recapping this last hour, I'm like,
whoever Jean's guy is was telling jj Watt apparently that
(12:49):
there was not a horse caller, So I want to
clear this all up. So we thought, and I think
the whole world thought, that there was a face mask
and a horse caller on a jay and tackle and
that both were missed. And then jj Watts said something
to the effect of, I guess that wasn't really a
horse collar. I don't know if you got in his
ear on that and explained it, but maybe you need
(13:11):
to explain it to us. Did the officials just blow
two calls on one play or is there an explanation
as to why there wasn't a flag drone there?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, the face mask myths one hundred percent miss and
from an officiating window, there's a deep official on that
sideline that really isn't or shouldn't be focusing on the
runner immediately. Whenever plays start down the sideline, that really
is for the official that will be kind of behind
the runner in that's case.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
But once that defender starts to threaten the runner, and
when a hands near a face mask.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
That downfield official needs a transition from the blocking that's
in front of them to the action on the runner
for secondary help because that official is the only one
that's going to see that head turning the hand in there,
so miss on the face mask the horse caller play
just a little bit of level of subjectivity. Now by rule,
horse caller is inside the collar on the side behind
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on the name plate, which this was, and immediately pulling
the runner backward. So in this one, I think the
face mask actually look the hands on the name plate.
The jersey starts to go down, the other hand is
grabbing the face mask, which kind of twist.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
It twists the runner so.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
It doesn't feel and I'm again trying to teleport to
real time.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Like is that immediately pulling him to the ground or
is he spinning him with that hand? And I think
a lot of.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
The spin may have come from the face mask and
how it creates the body spin. And now at the end,
he kind of felt like as we went into the sideline,
you know a what I think he finishes him because
of what he has on the nameplate. I get reluctant
to tell guys if I get to them on air,
if I think there's levels of some subjectivity, may lead
(15:00):
them into a place where they make this absolutely definitive statement,
and then this little tweak of a play causes it
not to be that. I'm more safe on those, if
that makes any sense. And in Jay J's case, I
think he's so talented and he gets so much about
what refs do, which most players don't, and it's because
(15:20):
of his study and prep and how he's really morphing
into what I think is really a great color analyst.
I think that's kind of where he was alluding to.
Again within this window, we have this technical difficulty, but
I thought he'd did a good job.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
The face mask. You got to get though, guys.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, which you got to get to play?
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Is there one? Isn't there one horse caller?
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Is it a quarterback or something in the in the
pocket where you can horse caller? Because that was one
where I was wondering if that was part of it.
This wasn't that rule, But is there one?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Well, he's out of the pocket, Bucky, But yeah, player
in the pocket between the tackles. Horse callers are allowed
kind of because defensive players are blasting into an offensive
lineman who's got to reach over a defender to a
quarterback that if he's in the pocket for most situations
is stationary where the horse caller becomes more of a
(16:11):
threat if you are running and now I pull you
back and if the impact on the legs in a
running movement to pull backwards is more inclined for safety,
So they do put that in in the NFL college
found no matter where, because the quarterbacks are more active
inside the pocket.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
But that's the.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Rationale behind where they have that activity happen and why.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
One is and one is not.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Well, then there was an actual face mask penalty that
might have been the play of the game. It might
have changed the entire game. Was it a self fulfilling prophecy,
like we have to have another face mask to fix
what was missed earlier in the in the game to
set the world right.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
In the backyard and when I played hoops on the street,
that's just called Balldo lodge that's called Baldo loge. We
left with the sporting gods come up, they find ways
at times.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
And sometimes we're lucky by that.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
But the Baldo lie because I can assure you that
in many cases.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Well, let's we got to talk about that, Sam Darnold crazy.
Was it a fumble? Was it an incompletion? Almost got
to intercept it? I mean, just the insanity. Another insane play.
So walk us through that one and what should have
been done?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
It's frame by frame, right, I mean, rule most referees,
I would say ninety nine point nine percent of the
time in these plays are gonna rule fumble because they
don't want to be blown an incomplete pass and find
out that football started to move two camera frames before
his arm went forward, and it was a loose ball
basically pushed forward by our replay technology. So you're gonna
(17:47):
see fumble ruled almost always on that play, and they
should for safety for safe reasons about it.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
If it is a fumble, let a play.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
And then you get into plays like this, which there
are not many of those, and it is that really
almost by one camera frame, this football all it feels
like it is starting to move just as this arm
is going forward, and I think those fall in these buckets,
and I think if we stayed at twenty percent slower
than real time, we would still come to a lot
(18:16):
of these conclusions, like you know what, that's too tight
for us to sit here and try to make some real,
definitive answer. We go with what they ruled on the field,
and I thought that still was in that bucket. Although
pass fumbles I have ruled on them where it was
one or two camera frames and felt like he still
had control. And this was I think, quite honestly, maybe
(18:39):
the closest one I saw this year. And really, I
think when you're just clicking one camera frame and it's changing,
I think you stay.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
With what you had, all right, all right, Well there
was a lot going on in that game, man, Yeah,
I think we.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Could still talk more because Milli Pender he actually inherited
my ref number one fourteen. He worked in my ref
studio before he became an active NFL official.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
There was a clip of showing.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Him jumping over top of equipment boxes without his hat
on to try to get to the skirmish I think
on the sideline during the game, and I told the
guys in the studio, well, when I had that number
on my back, I could have never jumped on top
of that box like that. I'd had to look for
three players and say, come here, lift me up, get
me on that box so I can jump over here
(19:33):
and stop the mess in the sideline.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
But yeah, there was a lot going on Fellaws for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Uh well, Uh cheers to a happy new year, and
uh cheers to all the refs and the very difficult
jobs that they have, and may they have a spectacular
new year in twenty twenty six, getting all the calls
right because we're in the playoffs and we're gonna need
a fair shape.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
You're here.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Everybody needs the at the lead level.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
We got one month of football up and then one
beautiful game after this month.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
This is why we do what we do. So we
hope everybody is at their best right now.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
All right, be safe, Happy new year, Thanks guys, you too,
all right. Jean Sterotor CBS Rules Analyst's greatest NFL official
of all time and maybe greatest person of all time.
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segment brought to you by BMW Seattle, Everett Fitzu's Next
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, all right, every
(20:56):
Tuesday throughout the year twenty twenty five the hockey seat
in any way, we've chatted with evert fits You, and
I got it on good authority that it's going to
continue into twenty twenty six. We've got a handshake agreement
on that, you and fitz He did No, no, you
can't just all of us like.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
You know the station. That's good, We've got an Agreement's good.
I get hugs from fits You every time I see
hims are part of the agreement.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Yeah, well that's thank god.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
I was gonna say if that wasn't written in there,
let's make sure we get that in pen.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Oh yeah, it's the first thing, first first law of
having evert fits You on the show every week, and
so joining us here on the program to celebrate the
close of twenty twenty five and the promise of twenty
twenty six is the voice of your Seattle Crack and
the amazing Everett fits You. Good morning, sir, Happy New year.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Oh fellas, Happy New Year. And Bucky.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
There's something just so safe about just collapsing into your arms,
big old bear hub. Look, man, it's just feels so warm. Oh,
I know that I'm going to be all right.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Well, you know, feelings mutual, and you're not a small
fellow fits and so I feel the same.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Never gets to feel tiny, no, Yeah, and yet listen.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
It's been my dream to be small spoon once in
my life. You're about the closest that I've ever come.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I got for a fleet moment, I thought this must
be what it's like to be Ariana Grande. Well, I
think the last time I chatted with you, because I
took a little time off and we've had the holidays,
we couldn't figure out how to win a game. And
now all of a sudden, I'm sitting here talking to
(22:46):
you about not being able to make it five in
a row last night. So things have turned since last
we spoke.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
Yeah, and you know what, It sounds so cliche, but
this team is it got back to simplifying their game.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
I mean, you look at their last five games.
Speaker 8 (23:05):
If you you know, we're not going to count the
shootout goal because it wasn't a goal against the Krack
and now for five straight games have allowed one or
two goals in each of those games. It's been a
defensive structure that made them successful the first month of
the season, which got them off to that franchise record start.
(23:27):
So it's it's been a simplifying of their game. I
think when when you're going through slumps that will happen,
you try to be a little bit too fancy, you
try to maybe you grip the stick a little bit
too tight, you try to do a little bit too much.
And I think the message just got through to the guys, like, hey,
you know, let's simplify our game.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
We know who we are, we know what makes us successful.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
And and they got back to it, and and it
wasn't the right time the game and Calgary, I remember,
you know, listening to a couple of guys postgame, and
it was it was very melancholy, it was very frustrating
and very annoying in the locker room these the way
that the guys worked hard and couldn't get it done.
(24:15):
So then you go to San Jose, you sweep your
way through California for the first time ever against three
pretty good hockey teams and against three teams that are
above you in standings, and just like that you're making
up ground. You went from being seven points back to
at least for about forty five minutes yesterday, one point
(24:35):
back of a playoff spot in the span of eight days.
So the crack back in it. And that's, I guess
the beauty of this season, the compacted schedule. Everyone is
so tight, everyone is so close. You can overcome a one,
nine and one stretch with a five game point streak,
which is what they're on right now.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Wow, that is crazy how quickly they got back into
the mix, and yet the unfortunately the wind streak comes
to a close last night against the Canucks and the
overtime shootout. I mean, they just looked tired to me.
I have no idea how difficult hockey is it. I'm
sure that it's a it's a lot, there's a lot
going on there, but they just seem tired in the shootout.
(25:16):
I mean just the way in which they'd skate up there.
Is there anything to that with the you know how
they've been playing up to this point and then finding
themselves even after extra time, having to go to the shootout.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
Yeah, the shootout's been an area of opportunity. I'll say
they've worked on it quite a bit in practices. If
you're asking me personally, I think the shootout was a
wonderful gimmick twenty years ago when when they put it in,
and now I think a lot of players fans maybe you're.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Going a bit tired of it, but it's still part
of the game.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
You know, the shootout is it's it's a total crap
shoot right. I mean Kevin lanket in for the Vancouver Canucks.
I read all time that he has won thirteen of
his fourteen shootouts.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
In his career.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
There are some goalies that are just lights out during
the shootout. Kevin Lankinton's one of them. And the cracking
and running into some hot goalies and I mean, you're
really you can't coach the shootout, right, It's like trying
to coach a home run derby, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
It's like, hey, you just go up and hit the.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
Baseball, give me your best move and try to beat
the goalie. There's no system, there's no you know, two
on one there there's nothing, right like, it's go up
there and try to score. So you can't coach the
home run derby. You can only practice invp. You can't
really coach the shootout. You can only just try your
(26:49):
best moves in practice so many times and unfortunately for Seattle,
and they've fallen victim now four times to the shootout
this year.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, if you ever do find yourself in a home
run derby, Bucky could at least give you some tips.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
Yeah. Yeah, maybe he.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Can't coach you, Yeah yeah, if you ever, but if
you ever find yourself in that situation, he's your guy.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Yeah, well I'll coach you.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
It's just whether or not you're coachable enough and talented enough.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
Yeah. I think you are.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
And we're gonna go down the line. Can I use
a metal bat?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Yeah, yeah, we'll get you a big one.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
I remember the story Caitlin de Boor one time told
he was talking about how he played college baseball. He
was he was a baseball prospect, and he knew it
was time to give it up when he said he
hit the hardest ball he'd ever hit his entire life
with a wooden bat, and it barely made it out
of the infield.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
And I feel like that's that's me. I feel like
that would be me.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
I would just get a hold of one and it'd
be a little number right back to the third piece.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Ever fits you is with us?
Speaker 7 (27:58):
All right?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
So how important is this New Year's Day game with
the Predators? And I say it from this perspective, So
you went on this drought and then all of a
sudden you got in a tear uh, and then you
lose a game via a shootout, but it's.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Still you know, you don't win the game.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
So how important is it then in this next game
against the Predators to to just remind yourself, like, all right,
we're not gonna sync back in anything more. What we've
been doing lately is real. That whole losing straight that
was out of character. We gotta we gotta make sure
that we got to keep this good thing going and
(28:36):
not less a shootout loss trip us up in any way.
So I've just asked, how important from that standpoint is
winning New Year's Day at home against Nashville.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
Well, I mean you said it right, you have to
get back on the horse.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
You can't let you can't let that that game affect
you moving forward. Nashville is a team that is one
point you in the playoffs, So you're playing a really
good team who's been surging as of late. Your next
four game, I mean, your next ten games essentially are
going to be against either playoff teams, teams that are.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Directly with you or or two to four points back
of you.
Speaker 8 (29:20):
So against Nashville, I mean, you've had a lot of
success against them. You beat them twice in their building
last season. The Kraken can't let that shootout loss affect them.
And like I said before, their last five games they
have allowed one or two goals in each of those games.
They've gotten back to what's made them successful. They're a
(29:41):
point back of Seattle. So you have to go into
this game thinking another playoff mindset, Right, we have to
get these two points. Nashville wins this game, they're gonna
leap fraud us in the standings.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
That's the motivation going into Thursday.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
And then you're back in Vancouver on Friday Day with
a chance at some revenge so to speak. So I
mean two really important games Thursday and Friday. But Nashville,
you need to get back in the win column, and
you can't dwell on a really good effort last night
(30:17):
that didn't result in a second point.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
All right, Well, happy New Year. To you, sir, are
you gonna do anything? I mean, you'll be home, so
anything to celebrate You and Al gonna get together with
the wives and you know, maybe toast the top the
space needles, you know, something fun, something you know, meg
Ryanish like that.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
I'm gonna put my three year old to bed, and
my wife and I are going to toasting nice glass
of sparkling grape juice and then we'll go off to we.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Celebrate that what we're calling it these days. That's the
weirdest euphemism I've ever heard.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
Yep, sparkling grape juice.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
Sparkling grapeeers. We celebrate East Coast New Year.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
So ten, it's been like four years since I've even
made it to midnight.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
I tried, I've tried.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, it just doesn't happen.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Last year, yeah, last year I was. I was a bachelor.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
On New Year's Eve, my wife and my son were
back back in Jersey where she's from, so I went
uh downtown.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
I saw the fireworks on the needle.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
I was hanging out at Buckley's with some friends watching
some football, and I caught the fireworks and it was
really cool. I've never experienced a seattle New Year's Eve
and it was.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
It was pretty fun last year. So I got my
one in.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
But uh no, we're gonna We're gonna watch the ball
drop in Times Square at nine pm, and I will
be fast asleep by ten.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Okay, well, cheers, stay cozy, Cheers to the fits Hughes,
and we'll talk to you next year.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
We'll see you next year.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
All right, ever, fits you the voice of your Seattle
crack and he and L will be back on the
call New Year's Night against the Nashville Predators coming up next,
Walker or Charbonney? Do we have to make that decision
before Saturday night's game. Sports Radio ninety three point three
kjr FM. All right, So is the new Dallas Renegades
(32:26):
head coach still joining us.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
At nine o'clock?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
As far as I know, I checked in with him yesterday.
Now this was pre new sheriff in town toay, well,
we do have a little bit of breaking news. I
don't know how that's going to affect Sports Radio ninety
three point three kJ r FM. But Rick new Isel
might be changing jobs after some flirtation with Washington State.
(32:50):
Looks like he's going to be going to the Dallas
Renegades of the watch a Ma Jigger League, you know,
the the UFL, the combination of the.
Speaker 7 (33:04):
XFO, the USFL.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
The UFL. And so he's been involved in those leagues
before and had a lot of success down there in Arizona.
But he obviously wanted to coach. He wanted to coach
some ball while he's still young enough to coach some
ball and lead some men. And so he was obviously
very serious about that. And so he is going to
(33:27):
become the next head coach of the Dallas Renegades. That
announced about an hour ago. So that said, we'll chat
with him, hopefully at nine o'clock if his life's not
too crazy, we'll still have our opportunity to talk some
college football with him and find out about this newest
adventure for Rick Neuheisel. In the meantime, Seahawks forty nine
ers getting ready for Saturday night. And look, I don't
(33:50):
know if it's time to make a change to the
starting lineup, if you will, heading into the last week
of the regular season, when you've accomplished so much. I mean,
you're thirteen in three right now. But I will say this,
that was about the most frustrated I've been with ken
Walker in a game that I can remember, and I
think I was the most impressed. I've been with Zach
(34:11):
Sharboney in a game that I can remember. And so
when you put those two things together and you're getting
ready for your biggest game of the year, I can't
help but wonder if you're not Mike McDonald thinking about
a bigger role for Zach Charbonay, maybe more of the
Lion's share of Carri's. I watched Sharbonay run decisively and
(34:34):
excellently on Sunday against Carolina and Bucky, I swear I
watch ken Walker and I wrote down on my sheet,
I'm like, is he ever going to run where the
play's designed? And I realized that he wasn't getting a
lot of help up front, but Zach Sharbonay's got the
same offensive line in front of him, and he seemed
to be finding his way down the field. Ken Walker
(34:56):
just now it's not there and just bailed on it
almost every single carry on Sunday. Probably most of those
decisions were justified, but at some point you do just
kind of have to go where the where the play
is designed to go, and I don't think ken Walker
did it once on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Uh yeah, I mean I didn't notice it that like
you're talking about, but I do tend to notice that
just overarching kind of feel where it rightfully so to
some extent, there's times where it looks like it's heading
in the a gap or something and there's two dudes
right there, so he's immediately trying to bounce it. There's
other times where it's like the bounce should happen at
(35:34):
the land of scrimmage or beyond the line of scrimmage,
if there's a if you can there's an ass you
can run off of, then hit it, you know, two, three,
four yards?
Speaker 7 (35:42):
We all. I mean, you don't have to be a
running back. You don't have to be a former quarterback
to have watched football and know that.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Sometimes the best running back in the game, or the
guys that are having good years sometimes they just see
it and they're like, yeah, it's not much, but I
can split right between these two guys and I'm going
to get two, maybe three or four yards, And now
of a sudden, you're kind of still on track. You
try to bounce it and you lose a yard or
(36:10):
you just barely get back to the line of scrimmage
and at second and ten that's completely different than the
second six. And I do think that he does that
more often than I would be willing to bet, more
often than the organization wants him to.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
There's this great line from Gladiators that has always stuck
with me. Or Gladiate, not Gladiators, Gladiator, the difference between Gladiators, yes, Gladiator, yes.
But Maximus at one this point he turns to like
his servant, if you will, and you know, they're all
talking about the whole thing's about freedom and all that stuff,
(36:43):
and he just asked him. He's like, do you enjoy
your job? And he says, sometimes I do what I
want to do. Most of the times, I do what
I have to do.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
Mh.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
That's life as.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
A running back.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Sometimes the play opens up and you've got open field
and you get to do what you want to be
a running back. You get to gallop in the meadow
and for as many yards as you can and if
you can outrun all the other horses, oh man, that's
our breathtaking feeling. But as a running back in the
National Football League, most of the time, you just got
to take what the defense gives you. And then hopefully
(37:18):
get a little bit more. That's the job of a
running it. Saquon Barkley had to learn that. He was
the same way and Brian day Balls. The one thing
Brian da Bole contributed to football, he taught Saquon Barkley
to be a superstar. He had superstar potential, but he
had to start running like an NFL running back and
not like a college running back who could just out
(37:40):
juke everyone. And that's the same thing with ken Walker.
And I thought Sunday was about the worst I've seen
him perform in that arena. I thought he was terrible
at it on Sunday. And it didn't help that Zach
Charbonnay was so effective running just the opposite. So I
don't know, we'll see, We'll see if there's a change
an adjustment. I would imagine ken Walker gets the start,
(38:03):
but maybe as a little shorter of a rope heading
into Saturday, because I don't know if Mike McDonald's gonna
live with that in such a big game for mini carries.
All right, Coming up next, Rick new Isael hopefully Sports
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