December 5, 2025 • 38 mins
X’s and O’s with HUGH MILLEN Let’s talk about this Seahawks defense… and now they’re getting Julian Love back! How does this defense compare to the LOB? The versatility of Nick Emmanwori. Can one sensational player beat the Seahawks? Can the Hawks stop Robinson and is there anyone else offensively who we should be worried about? How will the Seahawks offense handle the blitzing Falcons? :30- MIKE HOLMGREN makes his Friday visit with a look at the matchup between the Seahawks and Falcons. :45- We close out the show and the week with Booze News!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Boo's News to wrap it up, Mike Holmgren at nine
thirty and X's and O's with our QB one Hugh
Mellen starts at off this nine o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Good morning, sir, good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
How are you.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We're doing great. We're doing great.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We got a lot of great football to watch this
We're doing oh my goodness, Saturday and Sunday or fantastic
even tonight's nights. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, crack out the popcorn.
I asked this of Greg earlier in the hour in
the show, but I'm curious your thoughts. I mean, Julian
Love is coming back to this team, and Nick even
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war he still seems to be like evolving into something. Yeah,
we haven't even seen the finished product. With DeMarcus Lawrence
seems to be reborn. Ernest Jones seems to be the
perfect fit. I mean, how much better can this defense
actually get than it already is?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It's so fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
A year ago, there was one depressing Monday morning quarterback
that I had. It was after the bills, and and
we said, well, you know, if we believe in Mike McDonald's,
see how he turns this thing around. Because they had
really struggled against the Bills defensively, and I'm not going
to go into the details of that. That was a
year ago. But then the second time was the against
Tampa Bay. Obviously since that was Week five. Since Week five,
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there's been seven games. The Seahawks are number one in
a stat that I always thought was the most indicative
about the defense, points allowed per drive, because that really
just defines what the defense has to do, right, They're
number one in the NFL in points per drive. Well,
I let the evidence lead me, and I've run correlation
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statistics and this new stuff we're hearing about EPA expected
points average, Well it added rather per play and per game. Well,
that has a slightly higher correlation to winning. So I'm
a convert, so you're gonna hear more. I'm sure you've
been hearing about EPA Seahawks since Week six and beyond
these last seven games. They're number one in the NFL
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in defensive EPA per play, number one in defensive EPA
per game. And I'll put it into historical context. If
you take over the last seven games the EPA per play,
and you take the Legion of Boom their four best years,
the four years that they were number one in the
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NFL in fewest points allowed in each season. If you
then say in each of those years twenty twelve, thirteen,
fourteen to fifteen, after after seven games of each of
those seasons, you say, well, we have a seven games,
and then each subsequent week we could look back at
our most recent seven games. Does that make sense? So right?
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So in each year there would be ten games out
of this out of the sixteen where you could say,
how have we done in the last seven games? That
makes sense? So there are times four four years that's
forty different games where on a Sunday night we could say, hey,
how have we been doing over our last seven games?
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The very best EPA over a seven game period was
at the last game of the twenty thirteen and the
Seahawks this year, their last seven is better than any
seven game stretch that the lob Ever had. The game
against the Vikings was the number one EPA defensively, obviously
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for this year, it was higher than any EPA game
that the lb ever had. The best the lob had
was Week fourteen against a Cardinals in a fifty eight
to nothing win. A quarterback named John Skelton so well,
you might decry, well, this was against a Viking rookie quarterback.
Guess what the LB played against lousy quarterbacks as well?
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And then for the season is now let's throw out
just since the week five, this is the entire season
the LOB average over four years, each game they were
at point zero ninety nine EPA. The Seahawks defense this
year point one two one about better. So what you
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are seeing is is really uh in some ways in
the in the numbers that I framed, are you know,
a historically great defense.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And that's not diminishing the LOB.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
That is like, this is the highest level you can
reach as a defense, and and this team is matching
the best that the one of the best defenses of Ice.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Ice tell you that they're doing it, and the numbers
say it to unreal.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Unreal.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Nick emon Wori is also unreal. And the versatility that
he's shown is something that we were expecting in training camp,
but I didn't expect him to be this good this soon.
And yet they might add another element to his game.
He lined up I guess at defensive end for a
few games against the Vikings, and it's something that they
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might be doing more frequently in the future.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
What's your take on that.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Well, you know, I when I heard that, I'm like,
wait a minute, that I've studied the tape, I don't
recall that. I would have recalled that. Certainly he'd lined
up as an outside linebacker numerous occasions. The Seahawks played
a lot of snaps where they're up six or seven
guys on the line of scrimmage, and he was one
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of the six or seven. But just in terms of
an end, you know, with the hand in the ground,
there was times where he was kind of crouched over
and looks like, you know, he's just been over at
the waist and from a distance maybe you thought he
had his hand on the ground. I'll just issue this
challenge there there. I don't believe that there there is
no play in that game in the vikings where he was. Ever,
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what offenses would describe as the opponent defensive end outside linebacker. Yes,
in an underfront. If you take any high school coach,
just who's driving around when I say on an underfront
that the SAM backer is on the line of scrimmage, Well,
that doesn't make him a defensive end. He's still the
SAM backer. And other fronts that I'm not going to
get into. But I'll issue this. Anybody who can produce
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a picture with Nick emn Worry with his hand in
the ground as the defensive end against the Vikings, I'll
buy you a steak dinner at the met So it
didn't happen. So now that doesn't mean that doesn't take
away anything from his versatility. But but I just in
the instance, in the interests of accuracy, we haven't quite
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got there. Outside linebacker. Yes, he's a nickel Sam, but
not not a hand in the ground defensive end, not yet.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
There's an difference between edge rusher and defensive end. It's
just different. You know, you can be an edgress without
being a defensive end.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, I mean they they played, they've played a thirty
front on a few occasions of what's called an odd
a three four where you know he's an outside line
I'm backer and you know the uh nose tackle was
shaded a little bit, but you could still say that
was a three four front, but an odd front, but
but no defensive end. I'm like, huh in I would
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have remembered that. So so I think we might be
getting close to that. Haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, Well he's a special player. Maybe not Howie Long,
but he is a uh he's looking to be a
really special player. I mean, can you believe how good
he is this early in his career.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, did you see the video of him walking with
uh oh, some of the other safeties, but but he
just towers over everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And he's just such a beautiful athlete in space. He
moves his hips, he just his movement, his acceleration. Uh,
you know he can cut. You know, you see him
covering tight ends. We talked yesterday about how you know
and and Man and Man's seahawks broke the huddle a
little bit earlier. Uh even worry. He just said, Okay,
I'm gonna be on the left. Whoever comes at me. Well,
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the guy in this slot happened to be justin Jefferson
as well. We called man and man. Everybody just no,
nobody seemed to I look back, Wait, is there any
like hand signals? Are they trying to get out of
this coverage? Nope, just going to cover him, covered it,
gloved him up in what's called cover one Man and Man. Now,
the one thing I would say, have not seen that
that violent striking that we saw from UH from Bam
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bam and UH and Cam Chancer, So I there there.
He hasn't converted his athleticism to to violence, but but
the fluidity, the instincts are coming in. The ability to cut,
you know, cover, have the length to cover tight ends,
the athleticism to cover the big receivers, you know, mediums
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receivers like Justin Jefferson. He's covered little guys in the slot.
So yeah, he's a fun player to watch.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Here.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Melanis with us x's and o's every Friday at nine o'clock,
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turned blue at forty two degrees. So, I mean, this
Atlanta team, they been bad this year. They're probably their
worst right now. They have a sensational player in Bijon Robinson,
but it's hard for me to believe that one sensational player,
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considering all the injuries that they've had this year, is
going to be a match for Mike McDonald's defense here.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, I think, particularly in the absence of Drake London,
I think that they're they're missing some firepower. But you know, look,
I think it's very interesting to watch Bijon Robinson, because
what you're going to see is the outside zone we
talked about yesterday. He has one hundred and fifteen outside
zone runs. The next closest guy is eighty has eighty six,
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and last year he had one hundred and seventy. The
next closest guy was one hundred and four. And you
know his yards after contact on these plays. The Falcons
as a team are number three in the NFL, so
Seealw's got to tackle they. While Seattle is called run
play percentage the first the Falcons want to run it too.
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There's seventh in that category. But here here's something just interesting.
The pistol formation with the quarterback and in shotgun but
a little bit closer in four yards instead of five.
And then Beson Robinson behind, let me give you an
example of the average for the NFL is four pistol
plays per game, actually three point seven. The second closest
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is the Commanders with eleven snaps a game. The Falcons
are first with twenty seven. So bes On Robinson, he's
gonna run that straight. This is just kind of this
is actually no segment. Right Defensively, as you're preparing, you're saying,
Bjon Robinson's gonna line up right behind the quarterback who's
in a you know, a short shotgun. And then what
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happens is obviously he can go stretch weak or he
can go stretch wrong, stretch left, stretch right. And his ability,
the way he's taught is is you're gonna make a
re read the the outside, whether it's a tight end
or whether it's an offensive tackle. If he can hook
that outside defender, then Jon Robinson has the explosiveness to
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get outside. Why but if the outside, the tight end
or the offensive tackle cannot hook the outside defender, what's
called the emlos the nd man on the line of scrimmage.
If he cannot hook him, Robinson will read that and
he will continue to read from outside in the next
defender whether to go break in or out. He's going
to make his decision on his third step. He will
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make his cut on the fifth step. That standard just
Terrell Davis type stuff. I've studied the tape with Robinson.
Every time when he makes a cut, it's on his
fifth step, and he's very decisive. He has great vision
on that. That's the challenge for Seattle, and I spend
a little extra time on the outside zone because we
talk so much about it with Clint Kubiak. Clint Kubiak
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is probably just salivating saying, this is what I want
to be, not necessarily out of pistol, but the FOUC
and bj On Robinson, they're prowess in that outside zone
is somewhat what Clint Kubiak would would probably like to see.
So so maybe you're gonna be watching a little bit
of future Seahawks when you watch Robinson run this outside zone.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Is there anybody else, I mean, without London and without Pennix,
is there anybody else that worries you on the Atlanta
side of the ball that could give us trouble on Sunday?
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Elijah Pitts? Uh, Kyle Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I'm right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Was there Elijah Pitts somewhere along line? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, I think there was a defensive lineman back lie
and just lie and nod your head if you can't
really remember.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Okay, so pit but Pitts the tight end. You know
they've had trouble with with tight ends. You know, athletic guy,
probably a little bit of underachiever, but yeah, he can
he can run. You know, somebody said long ago. You
can put two tight ends into two categories. Those who
can run down the middle of a cover two in
those who can't. He has the athletics and the speed
size to get down the middle, and so so I
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think that there's a threat there. But without London, you know,
I think everybody else is just kind of Pedestrius.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I wanted to ask you about this before we get
off of the topic of Michael Pennix. He recently said
and Raheem Morris that it got overblown and it was nonsense,
and he's got plenty of support. But for Michael Pennix Junior,
in his first full year as a starter, second year
in the National Football League, to cry out that he
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doesn't really have anybody to talk to when he comes
off of the field about the offense, what was.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Your reaction to that? That comment?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Well, there's always in those things I say, Okay, I
put it into two categories, what's the truth or veracity
of it, what have you? What's the impact of it,
and then separate from that should if he said it publicly?
That's always my response. Yeah, So to the first question,
I'm surprised. I'm sure that there's somebody on that staff
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who his on you know, on his business titles, says,
you know, talk to the quarterback. So that's odd, but
it is. Uh, look, if he if he feels that
he doesn't have anybody to talk to, and he's saying
that with any sense of regret, the Falcons have to
fix that right like he's there, he's their franchise quarterback.
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And so that's a even the fact that he might
think that Michael Pennix is not some diva quarterback. He
is a quality dude. I've had conversations with him. I
was at a you know, he flew up from Atlanta
to the spring game, the Washington Spring game, and I
was asked it was it was a former Husky quarterback event,
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kind of a charity thing and and and so I
was asked to be there, and I had long conversations
with not not real long, but I had a nice
conversation with him because I used to play for the
Falcons and he asked me a lot of questions and
and and I've had a number of conversations. I couldn't
be he couldn't be more delightful in my opinion. So
so I just don't think that guy has the wiring
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we know him from watching the Huskies. Uh, he doesn't
have the type of wiring to be you know, you know,
you know, stirring up stuff that that isn't there. You know.
I will add, you know with this m c L
when in talking to him, I and that's not the
first time I have when I talked to him, I
feel like he's kind of small. He's kind of you know,
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he's kind of slight. I mean, I think they listen
at six three. I think he's more like six two.
But I just I don't there's there's not a huge
frame there, and so he's been injury prone in the past.
And and uh, there is a correlation to size and endurability.
Who's the biggest quarterback in the league? Josh Allen, who's
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the most durable quarterback in the league? Does Josh Allen?
Not to say there's one hundred percent correlation for you,
but but there is a correlation there. And and I'm
concerned for him in that regard because he's had he's
had those a c ls. Now this is the opposite,
but he had he had a couple of a cls
in college and now he's had in this a CL
on the next you know, I'm worried about his frame
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and his durability.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Well, I think the other topic is the offense, and
I think that he's going to have an offensive head
coach next year. I would be stunned if the Atlanta
Falcons don't surround him and v Jon Robinson with more
of an offensive minded head coach this offseason. All right,
speaking of offense, the last couple of minutes of our
segment X is a O segment with Hugh. How do
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you see the matchup between Sam and the Gang versus
the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well, I think it's a good test because they from
a scheme standpoint, they do some of this, there's some
similarities with what the Vikings did, and there's some all
the things that Seattle need to clean up. They're going
to have somewhat of a test this Sunday that the
Falcons the opponent percent of pass attempts resulting in sacks.
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I'm reading from the NFL stat portal, the Falcons are
third last week the percentage of defensive plays from the
three to four. The Vikings were number one. Well, the
Falcons are six in that regard the percentative of plays
where the defense brings five plus rushers. Okay, remember the
rushing problems that we saw against the Vikings. Well, the
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Falcons are second in the NFL in that regard, so
they're they're gonna and and they're fourth in the use
of six rushers. But now here's the difference. The Falcons
don't like to bring a defensive back when they rush.
It's from their front seven. You know, in this EXAs
knows it, a lot of teams use the term blitz
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to describe a general blitz a dog to describe a
specifically a linebacker like a dog is not a dB blitzing.
And so when you talk when we talk about this
percentage of five plus rushers being second in the NFL,
but they're twenty sixth in the NFL in use of
a dB rushing. That means all of their pressures are
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I mean, from dogs, not secondary blitz got me and so,
but the percentage of plays that that result in negative
play for negative e p A for the offense on
these blitzes, the Falcons are tied with the Seattle Seahawks.
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They are both number one in the NFL. Let me
repeat that again. The percentage of plays when when you
do bring a dB that rushing that result in a
negative e p A for the offense. And I just
read off the NFL stat Seas and Falcons are tied.
They're both at sixty seven percent. So there's going to
be some blitzing. Seattle's got to have have done their walkthroughs,
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their meeting time to to sort out their rules. How
they're going to direct the center, They're going to send
the running back in the center to the same side. Well,
if they do that, then they may be vulnerable to
a three week but they may be able to pick
up what are obvious blitz whatever they're plan is. They
we have seen really big one week changes on the
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defensive side of the ball. I referenced the Bills from
a year ago. I referenced the Buccaneers from this year
and by the way, but the defensive collapse against the
Buccaneers was worse than any defense any game the Lob
ever had. So but getting back to us the coaching,
so we've seen the change from the coaching on the
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defensive side. Now is a great opportunity for Clint Kubiak.
I know that he works in conjunction with Mike McDonald, like, hey,
what makes sound sense because McDonald has this wonderful genius
way of looking at defense. So they've collaborated. Let's see
what they do from a plan standpoint to handle a
defense that has some similarities to the Falcons with what we
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saw last week the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Awesome stuff, man, Thank you very much. Enjoy all the
football and we'll do this.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yes, yeah, you bet. I'm going to be with you
all right.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
There is our QB one.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
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Speaker 1 (20:44):
Oh every Friday, the chance to chat with the great
Mike Holmgran right here on the program. And once again,
no Bucky here today, so coach can finally just be
himself right here today.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Doesn't have to worry that.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
I'm so relaxed. It's so good.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Well, great to have you with us.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I want to ask you about ball security with a quarterback,
because on one hand, the ratio of Sam getting hit
and coughing up the ball is way too high. On
the other hand, man, obviously quarterbacks have to approach that.
I mean, they they can't tuck the ball under their
arm like a running back and it doesn't look like
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anything if there's anything that he's doing wrong other than
the fact that the stats say you're fumbling when you
get hit too frequently.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
So how do you fix that?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
How would you go about fixing that in a quarterback
to try to try to curb that in the future.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Yeah, well, actually, when you when you study it and
look at the film and stuff, you have to make
sure that you're being everyone's being honest about what's happening.
I mean, is it his fault? It could it have
been avoided by doing something else. Sometimes yet sometimes no,
it's it's just going to happen. But having said that,
if it's an issue and it's happening too much, then
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there are drills that you do at practice and maybe
after practice orve before practice, whatever, where you have guys
with bags on either side of the quarterback when he's
dropping back, and then as he steps up, you're punching
him with the with the bags and trying to knock
the ball out, so he gets the feel of what
that's like and what he has to do to hold
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onto the football. Other than that, Other than that, I
don't have an answer for you, but you can do
drills that that kind of get him, get him feeling
properly about putting the ball away.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And he also has the interceptions more than you'd like
to see from him at this point of the year.
And yet I don't want to change the aggression by
which Sam Donald's play in the position.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
He looks like a.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Confident, gun slinging quarterback that almost all the time throwing
the right spot. So is that anything that has you
concerned or would your marching orders just be be you,
just be you?
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Well again, you analyze the throws and if the judgment
is very poor and when he does it, then you've
got to fix that. You absolutely have to talk about
it and fix it. I think most of the people
are reacting Chuck to uh, you know, when we've talked
about it for a long time on the show. When
he threw the four interceptions, that's that's unusual. That doesn't
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usually happen. So why did it happen? Fix that and
then move on. I honestly, I don't worry too much
about his play. I think they're very fortunate, the Seahawks
to have him right now as their quarterback. And as
he goes, that's what people, I think probably are thinking.
As he goes, so goes the team. Now we have
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a great defense. But he has to play well and
I think he will.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
You know, I doubt Jerry was ever held to two
catches in a game. Doesn't feel like he was. And
yet JSN having this historic season, just two catches at
a really difficult time getting him going last week? Is
this a special assignment of yours to make sure that
that does not happen again and we suddenly end up
with a trend here?
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Absolutely, I mean you're looking at excuse me, you're looking
at that game? Was he open? Did did they make
poor reads? Should they have thrown the ball to him?
If that wasn't the case, If the decisions were good,
he just was covered, then you got to figure out
new ways to motion him, get him open, because if
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he if he played for me, I would have on
my sheet plays for him. Not every player gets those.
Jerry Rice got him, Throwing sharp got them. You have
a special player. You have to be ready to dial
up his number to get him touches. And yeah, that's
two catches for him. With the season he's having, that's
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very very unusual. Now, maybe the pressure got so much
and they couldn't handle the Vikings early and then they
got the big lead, so they didn't throw it as much.
That factors into but you got to get him his touches.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You're not worried at all.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I've heard the phrase blueprint that maybe Brian Floor has
shown the league the blueprint for how to slow down
the Seattle Seahawks offense.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Do you buy into that?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Do you have any worry that maybe some of the
ways that this team was operating so successfully offensively that
halfway through the season defensive coordinators have kind of figured
out what they're doing.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
I don't think so. I don't think so. I think
in any particular game there might be reasons why the
numbers aren't what they should be. And Jinman did not
get his touches. They didn't throw many passes, not a
lot of yards. But that was one game. Generally speaking,
it hasn't been that way. So give Brian Floyd's credit
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and give the Vikings credit for what they did. Uh,
they have a they have a very good pass rush,
But no, I don't. It's that's what coaching is. You
know someone, you have a game like that, and then
all of a sudden you analyze and go, Okay, that's
where we might have done something a little different. Now
we're going to do different. So it changes from week
to week. I don't think anyone can draw up a
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blueprint how to stop this team.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Mike Homeran is with us for his normal nine to
thirty segment every Friday. Here on a football Friday. Kirk
Cousins is at a heck of a career. He does
not look like he still has it, and yet what
concerns should you have over a guy with that much experience,
that kind of guile, that kind of leadership that he's
shown over his career. US does a Kirk Cousins worry
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you at all going into this game?
Speaker 6 (26:59):
You know what, Chuck, I was thinking, excuse me, that
having him play could be a really good thing for Atlanta,
you know, because of the things you mentioned. Now, he's
not the same player he was five six years ago,
but he is a veteran. He knows how to play
the game, he knows when to deliver the ball, and
they've got a great running attack, so it's not all
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on his shoulders. But you know, in some respects, having
a veteran quarterback come in understanding the Seahawks defense maybe
perhaps a little bit better than a young quarterback would,
even as guy is telling it his penix, you know,
might be a benefit to Atlanta. So I was thinking
that the Seahawks have to go in there and they've
got to play a really good, solid football game again,
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because I think Cousins is going to play well.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, ADB John Robinson, he's special man. If you'd have
had him, how many catches would you have gotten him
in a season, not just carrying the ball, but catching
the ball. He's excellent at it. I mean you didn't
you and Bill Walls pretty much throwing the ball the
running backs out of the backfield. But you know, how
would you have used a weapon like this guy?
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Well, I would, I would give Bill credit. I wouldn't
take the credit for that, But you know, the West
Coast offense, that's what it was. Yea. You know, they
went through a stretch the forty nine ers before I
got there where you know, they're running game. They just
couldn't get it going, and so they substituted a lot
a number of runs for six yard throws and it
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worked for him, and that became the West Coast offense.
And yeah, if you got a back Roger Craig's up
for the Hall of Fame this year, and he could
catch the ball and do all those things, and that's
really really a positive thing for your offense. So yeah,
that's another reason why this game, this game. I don't
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think it's going to be anything like the Minnesota game
as far as the offense is concerned. But the Seahawks
have to bring it on defense.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
All right.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And you got all the holiday stuff up, that's all
been done now, right, correct? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
We did we did the Christmas tree looks beautiful. Kathy
dex Ray decorates to the rest of the house, and
we did it appropriately when the time was right. You know,
you have Thanksgiving, then you do it, okay, And I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna dwell on that too much
because I think my my plea falls on deaf ears.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Are you one of the types that has to be
told by Kathy? Hey, the candy canes are for decoration.
Stop taking them off the tree and eating them?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Are you? Are you one of those ticks who I
used to be.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
I'm better now, you know, but I learned my lesson.
How many times can he get spanked on the hand,
you know, for doing something like that?
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Just leave them up, all right, Coach. We'll enjoy the
weekend and we'll talk to you on Monday.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
All right, Chuck, Thank you?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
All right.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
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the fantasy gods are conspiring against me here on the
playoff week?
Speaker 7 (30:24):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
T Higgins is playing? That hurts me?
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Oh it does.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Jadan Daniels is playing. That hurts me. And then our
stupid rule that we made.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Yeah, that one's killing you.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Where I'm going to beat somebody else by four full
games and he's going to make the playoffs and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
What's that all about?
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Now?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
That rule is stupid.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
That's a stupid rule. How did we all?
Speaker 7 (30:44):
I will admit I was a little confused.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
I thought the rule was going to be implemented differently
than it is being implemented. And I think the way
it is being implemented is dumb.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
Hurting you.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Maybe we should change it then, Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Yeah to how I thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, that we should have a vote, all twelve of us,
and we'll all decide that there's no way we can
put anders in over chalk.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Yeah, that should be the way the vote goes.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Okay, all right, great, all right, I'm down. Yeah, where's
that petition?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I'll start it? Time to close out the week, and
you know how we lose it.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
I'm Ashley and this is the Booze News.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Jeez, everybody, Happy weekend. Cheer's Christopher.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
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Speaker 7 (31:46):
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Speaker 2 (31:47):
Vanilla bean is dancing on my tongue.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Hmmm, it's really good.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Also, before I continue with the Boozews, now that I
just whispered, what's up with all these whispering commercials we've got?
And you know, I understand a lot of most people
aren't listening with headphones on, but hearing someone whisper.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Really loudly in your ear, oh, is not a great sound.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
And hearing like paper things and people going none of
those are great sounds. I'm with you, and we've got
like an influx of things that are happening with all
of those.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I would also ask Chris Kid, maybe why does your
host Mark James get so breathy when he talks about meat.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You know, we're gonna have to figure that out today.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
One of mystery.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I'm gonna have to bring up meat somehow.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Mead that so great.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Darky, that's actually a really good impression. I like it.
I like it all right.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Now to the Booze News. It is week fourteen in
the NFL. We've got some interesting pairings on the field
and off the field. Oh, the New York Giants are
on by this weekend, so naturally, Jameis, Winston and Russell
will are on the Fox and CBS broadcasts.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Have you heard this?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
No, Yes, Winston will be on the Fox pregame show.
I'm assuming that's gonna be really funny. He was great
when he was with them on the Super Bowl, very entertaining.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
And he he's got a personality that one.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Yes he does. And he's always good for sound soundbites
because who could forget his inspirational speeches like we outside
but we inside right and you can't see the sky
is the limit when people are on the.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
Moon they are. They make me think.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Yeah, so I can't wait to see what he's gonna
come up with his weekend.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
I know he's gonna be great. And then there's Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Oh, yes, different, Yeah, he's apparently spending the day with CBS.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
And who could forget his great inspirational moments.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Like mister, mister, mister on limmity. That is a good one, right,
everybody felt inspired and hey, Ronco's country let's ride.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
And speaking of getting breathy on meat was his sandwich
commerds for subway not the worst?
Speaker 5 (34:01):
And that's what I was going to say, because here
you go, he's.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Going on TV. He won't be awkward at all.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Think subway, creepy sandwich adds what was it dangerous?
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Dangerous?
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Witch?
Speaker 7 (34:15):
Yeah, yeah, dangerous.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
And he was like smacking just like you said earlier.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
Careful though it's spicy.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yes, Jameis Winston phenomenal personality, Russell Wilson awkward Jamis Winston
as a phenomenal person.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Oh well, you know what.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
I am still going to tune in though, because I
it's going to be like a train wreck. You can't
look away.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Now, I do have to take a minute to share
with you the worst insult I have ever had flung
in my direction, and it happened.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
This morning on our text link.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Oh okay, a textter this morning had the nerve to
text in calling us Notre Dame apaul just for understanding
that Notre Dame has a case to make in the
playoff over.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
Miami, as does Miami to get in over Notre Dame.
They both do. Now, I've been called a.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Lot of things, dumb, idiot, stupid woman. I've been told
to stay in the kitchen, stick to chores, I mean
other words I couldn't repeat on the air.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
And I've gotten on Bucky for that.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
Yeah, no, thank you. It's about damn time. It's about
damn time.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
But I have never had anyone come me to the
core like Steve did this morning. A Notre Dame apologist. Yeah,
I can't even say it without puking. Damn it, Steve,
you got me all fired out. And then he had
the nerve to just say, I would never think of
usc alum would be a Notre Dame fan.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
I was just getting you all fired up. Well you
did it, it were congrats, Steve.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, I'm all pissed. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Oh, we both soundly root against Notre Dame, Ashley even
more so than I.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
I hate them. There is never a scenario. Well, I
will ever cheer for them.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, I'm not cheering for them to make the tournament.
I'm just saying there's a if you don't think, there's
an argument for.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
It, and that's it.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
There's an argument for them, There's an argument for Miami,
there's an argument for Texas. I mean, all of these
teams we talked about all morning.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
And do I want them to get in? Hell?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
No, I mean there's even a chance James Madison and
Tulane get into the tournament. Am I a Tulane apologist?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
No?
Speaker 7 (36:27):
But do I root for the chaos? Yes?
Speaker 5 (36:30):
I don't know, Steve. What's next? You're gonna tell me
how Lo great and powder Blue?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (36:35):
You gonna gift me a duck for Christmas?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, Steve, I hate Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Now I'm all flustered, and I gotta talk about things
to make my spirits aren't happy, like garlands and Christmas
trees and snowy villages.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Ago, I can breathe again.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
All right, that's it, All right, Happy news Dams.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Except for you, Steve.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Yeah, damn you, Steve.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Coming up next, it's Mark James and his Breathy Meat
with Christopher Kidd on Sports Radio ninety three point three
kJ R f M.
Speaker 8 (37:11):
Hey you want to split the subway sandwich? It is
my signature sandwich. It's so dangerous and it's dangerously good.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Oh, before we go, we gotta give one more shout
out to Keith Took.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Oh God, all the worst.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Have a good weekend.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Have you ever done anything dangerous? Jeez, that is dangerous.
I've done something like that too. I don't tell anybody.
Listen one time. Never mind, that's two dangerous anyways, my
(37:56):
danger wous it's only in the ball. That's a little
baker m.
Boo's News to wrap it up, Mike Holmgren at nine
thirty and X's and O's with our QB one Hugh
Mellen starts at off this nine o'clock hour.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Good morning, sir, good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
How are you.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We're doing great. We're doing great.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We got a lot of great football to watch this
We're doing oh my goodness, Saturday and Sunday or fantastic
even tonight's nights. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, crack out the popcorn.
I asked this of Greg earlier in the hour in
the show, but I'm curious your thoughts. I mean, Julian
Love is coming back to this team, and Nick even
(00:33):
war he still seems to be like evolving into something. Yeah,
we haven't even seen the finished product. With DeMarcus Lawrence
seems to be reborn. Ernest Jones seems to be the
perfect fit. I mean, how much better can this defense
actually get than it already is?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It's so fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
A year ago, there was one depressing Monday morning quarterback
that I had. It was after the bills, and and
we said, well, you know, if we believe in Mike McDonald's,
see how he turns this thing around. Because they had
really struggled against the Bills defensively, and I'm not going
to go into the details of that. That was a
year ago. But then the second time was the against
Tampa Bay. Obviously since that was Week five. Since Week five,
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there's been seven games. The Seahawks are number one in
a stat that I always thought was the most indicative
about the defense, points allowed per drive, because that really
just defines what the defense has to do, right, They're
number one in the NFL in points per drive. Well,
I let the evidence lead me, and I've run correlation
(01:39):
statistics and this new stuff we're hearing about EPA expected
points average, Well it added rather per play and per game. Well,
that has a slightly higher correlation to winning. So I'm
a convert, so you're gonna hear more. I'm sure you've
been hearing about EPA Seahawks since Week six and beyond
these last seven games. They're number one in the NFL
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in defensive EPA per play, number one in defensive EPA
per game. And I'll put it into historical context. If
you take over the last seven games the EPA per play,
and you take the Legion of Boom their four best years,
the four years that they were number one in the
(02:24):
NFL in fewest points allowed in each season. If you
then say in each of those years twenty twelve, thirteen,
fourteen to fifteen, after after seven games of each of
those seasons, you say, well, we have a seven games,
and then each subsequent week we could look back at
our most recent seven games. Does that make sense? So right?
(02:46):
So in each year there would be ten games out
of this out of the sixteen where you could say,
how have we done in the last seven games? That
makes sense? So there are times four four years that's
forty different games where on a Sunday night we could say, hey,
how have we been doing over our last seven games?
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The very best EPA over a seven game period was
at the last game of the twenty thirteen and the
Seahawks this year, their last seven is better than any
seven game stretch that the lob Ever had. The game
against the Vikings was the number one EPA defensively, obviously
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for this year, it was higher than any EPA game
that the lb ever had. The best the lob had
was Week fourteen against a Cardinals in a fifty eight
to nothing win. A quarterback named John Skelton so well,
you might decry, well, this was against a Viking rookie quarterback.
Guess what the LB played against lousy quarterbacks as well?
(03:51):
And then for the season is now let's throw out
just since the week five, this is the entire season
the LOB average over four years, each game they were
at point zero ninety nine EPA. The Seahawks defense this
year point one two one about better. So what you
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are seeing is is really uh in some ways in
the in the numbers that I framed, are you know,
a historically great defense.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And that's not diminishing the LOB.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
That is like, this is the highest level you can
reach as a defense, and and this team is matching
the best that the one of the best defenses of Ice.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Ice tell you that they're doing it, and the numbers
say it to unreal.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Unreal.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Nick emon Wori is also unreal. And the versatility that
he's shown is something that we were expecting in training camp,
but I didn't expect him to be this good this soon.
And yet they might add another element to his game.
He lined up I guess at defensive end for a
few games against the Vikings, and it's something that they
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might be doing more frequently in the future.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
What's your take on that.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Well, you know, I when I heard that, I'm like,
wait a minute, that I've studied the tape, I don't
recall that. I would have recalled that. Certainly he'd lined
up as an outside linebacker numerous occasions. The Seahawks played
a lot of snaps where they're up six or seven
guys on the line of scrimmage, and he was one
(05:31):
of the six or seven. But just in terms of
an end, you know, with the hand in the ground,
there was times where he was kind of crouched over
and looks like, you know, he's just been over at
the waist and from a distance maybe you thought he
had his hand on the ground. I'll just issue this
challenge there there. I don't believe that there there is
no play in that game in the vikings where he was. Ever,
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what offenses would describe as the opponent defensive end outside linebacker. Yes,
in an underfront. If you take any high school coach,
just who's driving around when I say on an underfront
that the SAM backer is on the line of scrimmage, Well,
that doesn't make him a defensive end. He's still the
SAM backer. And other fronts that I'm not going to
get into. But I'll issue this. Anybody who can produce
(06:16):
a picture with Nick emn Worry with his hand in
the ground as the defensive end against the Vikings, I'll
buy you a steak dinner at the met So it
didn't happen. So now that doesn't mean that doesn't take
away anything from his versatility. But but I just in
the instance, in the interests of accuracy, we haven't quite
(06:37):
got there. Outside linebacker. Yes, he's a nickel Sam, but
not not a hand in the ground defensive end, not yet.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
There's an difference between edge rusher and defensive end. It's
just different. You know, you can be an edgress without
being a defensive end.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, I mean they they played, they've played a thirty
front on a few occasions of what's called an odd
a three four where you know he's an outside line
I'm backer and you know the uh nose tackle was
shaded a little bit, but you could still say that
was a three four front, but an odd front, but
but no defensive end. I'm like, huh in I would
(07:13):
have remembered that. So so I think we might be
getting close to that. Haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, Well he's a special player. Maybe not Howie Long,
but he is a uh he's looking to be a
really special player. I mean, can you believe how good
he is this early in his career.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, did you see the video of him walking with
uh oh, some of the other safeties, but but he
just towers over everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And he's just such a beautiful athlete in space. He
moves his hips, he just his movement, his acceleration. Uh,
you know he can cut. You know, you see him
covering tight ends. We talked yesterday about how you know
and and Man and Man's seahawks broke the huddle a
little bit earlier. Uh even worry. He just said, Okay,
I'm gonna be on the left. Whoever comes at me. Well,
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the guy in this slot happened to be justin Jefferson
as well. We called man and man. Everybody just no,
nobody seemed to I look back, Wait, is there any
like hand signals? Are they trying to get out of
this coverage? Nope, just going to cover him, covered it,
gloved him up in what's called cover one Man and Man. Now,
the one thing I would say, have not seen that
that violent striking that we saw from UH from Bam
(08:23):
bam and UH and Cam Chancer, So I there there.
He hasn't converted his athleticism to to violence, but but
the fluidity, the instincts are coming in. The ability to cut,
you know, cover, have the length to cover tight ends,
the athleticism to cover the big receivers, you know, mediums
(08:44):
receivers like Justin Jefferson. He's covered little guys in the slot.
So yeah, he's a fun player to watch.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Here.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Melanis with us x's and o's every Friday at nine o'clock,
brought to you by Frost Brewed Corps Light the mountains
turned blue at forty two degrees. So, I mean, this
Atlanta team, they been bad this year. They're probably their
worst right now. They have a sensational player in Bijon Robinson,
but it's hard for me to believe that one sensational player,
(09:10):
considering all the injuries that they've had this year, is
going to be a match for Mike McDonald's defense here.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, I think, particularly in the absence of Drake London,
I think that they're they're missing some firepower. But you know, look,
I think it's very interesting to watch Bijon Robinson, because
what you're going to see is the outside zone we
talked about yesterday. He has one hundred and fifteen outside
zone runs. The next closest guy is eighty has eighty six,
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and last year he had one hundred and seventy. The
next closest guy was one hundred and four. And you
know his yards after contact on these plays. The Falcons
as a team are number three in the NFL, so
Seealw's got to tackle they. While Seattle is called run
play percentage the first the Falcons want to run it too.
(10:01):
There's seventh in that category. But here here's something just interesting.
The pistol formation with the quarterback and in shotgun but
a little bit closer in four yards instead of five.
And then Beson Robinson behind, let me give you an
example of the average for the NFL is four pistol
plays per game, actually three point seven. The second closest
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is the Commanders with eleven snaps a game. The Falcons
are first with twenty seven. So bes On Robinson, he's
gonna run that straight. This is just kind of this
is actually no segment. Right Defensively, as you're preparing, you're saying,
Bjon Robinson's gonna line up right behind the quarterback who's
in a you know, a short shotgun. And then what
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happens is obviously he can go stretch weak or he
can go stretch wrong, stretch left, stretch right. And his ability,
the way he's taught is is you're gonna make a
re read the the outside, whether it's a tight end
or whether it's an offensive tackle. If he can hook
that outside defender, then Jon Robinson has the explosiveness to
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get outside. Why but if the outside, the tight end
or the offensive tackle cannot hook the outside defender, what's
called the emlos the nd man on the line of scrimmage.
If he cannot hook him, Robinson will read that and
he will continue to read from outside in the next
defender whether to go break in or out. He's going
to make his decision on his third step. He will
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make his cut on the fifth step. That standard just
Terrell Davis type stuff. I've studied the tape with Robinson.
Every time when he makes a cut, it's on his
fifth step, and he's very decisive. He has great vision
on that. That's the challenge for Seattle, and I spend
a little extra time on the outside zone because we
talk so much about it with Clint Kubiak. Clint Kubiak
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is probably just salivating saying, this is what I want
to be, not necessarily out of pistol, but the FOUC
and bj On Robinson, they're prowess in that outside zone
is somewhat what Clint Kubiak would would probably like to see.
So so maybe you're gonna be watching a little bit
of future Seahawks when you watch Robinson run this outside zone.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Is there anybody else, I mean, without London and without Pennix,
is there anybody else that worries you on the Atlanta
side of the ball that could give us trouble on Sunday?
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Elijah Pitts? Uh, Kyle Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I'm right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Was there Elijah Pitts somewhere along line? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, I think there was a defensive lineman back lie
and just lie and nod your head if you can't
really remember.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Okay, so pit but Pitts the tight end. You know
they've had trouble with with tight ends. You know, athletic guy,
probably a little bit of underachiever, but yeah, he can
he can run. You know, somebody said long ago. You
can put two tight ends into two categories. Those who
can run down the middle of a cover two in
those who can't. He has the athletics and the speed
size to get down the middle, and so so I
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think that there's a threat there. But without London, you know,
I think everybody else is just kind of Pedestrius.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I wanted to ask you about this before we get
off of the topic of Michael Pennix. He recently said
and Raheem Morris that it got overblown and it was nonsense,
and he's got plenty of support. But for Michael Pennix Junior,
in his first full year as a starter, second year
in the National Football League, to cry out that he
(13:22):
doesn't really have anybody to talk to when he comes
off of the field about the offense, what was.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Your reaction to that? That comment?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Well, there's always in those things I say, Okay, I
put it into two categories, what's the truth or veracity
of it, what have you? What's the impact of it,
and then separate from that should if he said it publicly?
That's always my response. Yeah, So to the first question,
I'm surprised. I'm sure that there's somebody on that staff
(13:52):
who his on you know, on his business titles, says,
you know, talk to the quarterback. So that's odd, but
it is. Uh, look, if he if he feels that
he doesn't have anybody to talk to, and he's saying
that with any sense of regret, the Falcons have to
fix that right like he's there, he's their franchise quarterback.
(14:15):
And so that's a even the fact that he might
think that Michael Pennix is not some diva quarterback. He
is a quality dude. I've had conversations with him. I
was at a you know, he flew up from Atlanta
to the spring game, the Washington Spring game, and I
was asked it was it was a former Husky quarterback event,
(14:38):
kind of a charity thing and and and so I
was asked to be there, and I had long conversations
with not not real long, but I had a nice
conversation with him because I used to play for the
Falcons and he asked me a lot of questions and
and and I've had a number of conversations. I couldn't
be he couldn't be more delightful in my opinion. So
so I just don't think that guy has the wiring
(14:59):
we know him from watching the Huskies. Uh, he doesn't
have the type of wiring to be you know, you know,
you know, stirring up stuff that that isn't there. You know.
I will add, you know with this m c L
when in talking to him, I and that's not the
first time I have when I talked to him, I
feel like he's kind of small. He's kind of you know,
(15:20):
he's kind of slight. I mean, I think they listen
at six three. I think he's more like six two.
But I just I don't there's there's not a huge
frame there, and so he's been injury prone in the past.
And and uh, there is a correlation to size and endurability.
Who's the biggest quarterback in the league? Josh Allen, who's
(15:40):
the most durable quarterback in the league? Does Josh Allen?
Not to say there's one hundred percent correlation for you,
but but there is a correlation there. And and I'm
concerned for him in that regard because he's had he's
had those a c ls. Now this is the opposite,
but he had he had a couple of a cls
in college and now he's had in this a CL
on the next you know, I'm worried about his frame
(16:01):
and his durability.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Well, I think the other topic is the offense, and
I think that he's going to have an offensive head
coach next year. I would be stunned if the Atlanta
Falcons don't surround him and v Jon Robinson with more
of an offensive minded head coach this offseason. All right,
speaking of offense, the last couple of minutes of our
segment X is a O segment with Hugh. How do
(16:24):
you see the matchup between Sam and the Gang versus
the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well, I think it's a good test because they from
a scheme standpoint, they do some of this, there's some
similarities with what the Vikings did, and there's some all
the things that Seattle need to clean up. They're going
to have somewhat of a test this Sunday that the
Falcons the opponent percent of pass attempts resulting in sacks.
(16:52):
I'm reading from the NFL stat portal, the Falcons are
third last week the percentage of defensive plays from the
three to four. The Vikings were number one. Well, the
Falcons are six in that regard the percentative of plays
where the defense brings five plus rushers. Okay, remember the
rushing problems that we saw against the Vikings. Well, the
(17:15):
Falcons are second in the NFL in that regard, so
they're they're gonna and and they're fourth in the use
of six rushers. But now here's the difference. The Falcons
don't like to bring a defensive back when they rush.
It's from their front seven. You know, in this EXAs
knows it, a lot of teams use the term blitz
(17:37):
to describe a general blitz a dog to describe a
specifically a linebacker like a dog is not a dB blitzing.
And so when you talk when we talk about this
percentage of five plus rushers being second in the NFL,
but they're twenty sixth in the NFL in use of
a dB rushing. That means all of their pressures are
(18:00):
I mean, from dogs, not secondary blitz got me and so,
but the percentage of plays that that result in negative
play for negative e p A for the offense on
these blitzes, the Falcons are tied with the Seattle Seahawks.
(18:21):
They are both number one in the NFL. Let me
repeat that again. The percentage of plays when when you
do bring a dB that rushing that result in a
negative e p A for the offense. And I just
read off the NFL stat Seas and Falcons are tied.
They're both at sixty seven percent. So there's going to
be some blitzing. Seattle's got to have have done their walkthroughs,
(18:43):
their meeting time to to sort out their rules. How
they're going to direct the center, They're going to send
the running back in the center to the same side. Well,
if they do that, then they may be vulnerable to
a three week but they may be able to pick
up what are obvious blitz whatever they're plan is. They
we have seen really big one week changes on the
(19:05):
defensive side of the ball. I referenced the Bills from
a year ago. I referenced the Buccaneers from this year
and by the way, but the defensive collapse against the
Buccaneers was worse than any defense any game the Lob
ever had. So but getting back to us the coaching,
so we've seen the change from the coaching on the
(19:26):
defensive side. Now is a great opportunity for Clint Kubiak.
I know that he works in conjunction with Mike McDonald, like, hey,
what makes sound sense because McDonald has this wonderful genius
way of looking at defense. So they've collaborated. Let's see
what they do from a plan standpoint to handle a
defense that has some similarities to the Falcons with what we
(19:49):
saw last week the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Awesome stuff, man, Thank you very much. Enjoy all the
football and we'll do this.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yes, yeah, you bet. I'm going to be with you
all right.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
There is our QB one.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Hugh breaks it down like nobody else and again his
segment brought to you by Frost Brood Cors like choose chill.
Mike Holmgran's going to join us next more on Seahawks
Falcons Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
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(20:34):
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over twenty years now Mike Holmgren with Chuck and Buck.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Oh every Friday, the chance to chat with the great
Mike Holmgran right here on the program. And once again,
no Bucky here today, so coach can finally just be
himself right here today.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Doesn't have to worry that.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
I'm so relaxed. It's so good.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Well, great to have you with us.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I want to ask you about ball security with a quarterback,
because on one hand, the ratio of Sam getting hit
and coughing up the ball is way too high. On
the other hand, man, obviously quarterbacks have to approach that.
I mean, they they can't tuck the ball under their
arm like a running back and it doesn't look like
(21:30):
anything if there's anything that he's doing wrong other than
the fact that the stats say you're fumbling when you
get hit too frequently.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
So how do you fix that?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
How would you go about fixing that in a quarterback
to try to try to curb that in the future.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Yeah, well, actually, when you when you study it and
look at the film and stuff, you have to make
sure that you're being everyone's being honest about what's happening.
I mean, is it his fault? It could it have
been avoided by doing something else. Sometimes yet sometimes no,
it's it's just going to happen. But having said that,
if it's an issue and it's happening too much, then
(22:08):
there are drills that you do at practice and maybe
after practice orve before practice, whatever, where you have guys
with bags on either side of the quarterback when he's
dropping back, and then as he steps up, you're punching
him with the with the bags and trying to knock
the ball out, so he gets the feel of what
that's like and what he has to do to hold
(22:29):
onto the football. Other than that, Other than that, I
don't have an answer for you, but you can do
drills that that kind of get him, get him feeling
properly about putting the ball away.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And he also has the interceptions more than you'd like
to see from him at this point of the year.
And yet I don't want to change the aggression by
which Sam Donald's play in the position.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
He looks like a.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Confident, gun slinging quarterback that almost all the time throwing
the right spot. So is that anything that has you
concerned or would your marching orders just be be you,
just be you?
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Well again, you analyze the throws and if the judgment
is very poor and when he does it, then you've
got to fix that. You absolutely have to talk about
it and fix it. I think most of the people
are reacting Chuck to uh, you know, when we've talked
about it for a long time on the show. When
he threw the four interceptions, that's that's unusual. That doesn't
(23:32):
usually happen. So why did it happen? Fix that and
then move on. I honestly, I don't worry too much
about his play. I think they're very fortunate, the Seahawks
to have him right now as their quarterback. And as
he goes, that's what people, I think probably are thinking.
As he goes, so goes the team. Now we have
(23:53):
a great defense. But he has to play well and
I think he will.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
You know, I doubt Jerry was ever held to two
catches in a game. Doesn't feel like he was. And
yet JSN having this historic season, just two catches at
a really difficult time getting him going last week? Is
this a special assignment of yours to make sure that
that does not happen again and we suddenly end up
with a trend here?
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Absolutely, I mean you're looking at excuse me, you're looking
at that game? Was he open? Did did they make
poor reads? Should they have thrown the ball to him?
If that wasn't the case, If the decisions were good,
he just was covered, then you got to figure out
new ways to motion him, get him open, because if
(24:41):
he if he played for me, I would have on
my sheet plays for him. Not every player gets those.
Jerry Rice got him, Throwing sharp got them. You have
a special player. You have to be ready to dial
up his number to get him touches. And yeah, that's
two catches for him. With the season he's having, that's
(25:04):
very very unusual. Now, maybe the pressure got so much
and they couldn't handle the Vikings early and then they
got the big lead, so they didn't throw it as much.
That factors into but you got to get him his touches.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You're not worried at all.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I've heard the phrase blueprint that maybe Brian Floor has
shown the league the blueprint for how to slow down
the Seattle Seahawks offense.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Do you buy into that?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Do you have any worry that maybe some of the
ways that this team was operating so successfully offensively that
halfway through the season defensive coordinators have kind of figured
out what they're doing.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
I don't think so. I don't think so. I think
in any particular game there might be reasons why the
numbers aren't what they should be. And Jinman did not
get his touches. They didn't throw many passes, not a
lot of yards. But that was one game. Generally speaking,
it hasn't been that way. So give Brian Floyd's credit
(26:06):
and give the Vikings credit for what they did. Uh,
they have a they have a very good pass rush,
But no, I don't. It's that's what coaching is. You
know someone, you have a game like that, and then
all of a sudden you analyze and go, Okay, that's
where we might have done something a little different. Now
we're going to do different. So it changes from week
to week. I don't think anyone can draw up a
(26:29):
blueprint how to stop this team.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Mike Homeran is with us for his normal nine to
thirty segment every Friday. Here on a football Friday. Kirk
Cousins is at a heck of a career. He does
not look like he still has it, and yet what
concerns should you have over a guy with that much experience,
that kind of guile, that kind of leadership that he's
shown over his career. US does a Kirk Cousins worry
(26:56):
you at all going into this game?
Speaker 6 (26:59):
You know what, Chuck, I was thinking, excuse me, that
having him play could be a really good thing for Atlanta,
you know, because of the things you mentioned. Now, he's
not the same player he was five six years ago,
but he is a veteran. He knows how to play
the game, he knows when to deliver the ball, and
they've got a great running attack, so it's not all
(27:21):
on his shoulders. But you know, in some respects, having
a veteran quarterback come in understanding the Seahawks defense maybe
perhaps a little bit better than a young quarterback would,
even as guy is telling it his penix, you know,
might be a benefit to Atlanta. So I was thinking
that the Seahawks have to go in there and they've
got to play a really good, solid football game again,
(27:43):
because I think Cousins is going to play well.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, ADB John Robinson, he's special man. If you'd have
had him, how many catches would you have gotten him
in a season, not just carrying the ball, but catching
the ball. He's excellent at it. I mean you didn't
you and Bill Walls pretty much throwing the ball the
running backs out of the backfield. But you know, how
would you have used a weapon like this guy?
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Well, I would, I would give Bill credit. I wouldn't
take the credit for that, But you know, the West
Coast offense, that's what it was. Yea. You know, they
went through a stretch the forty nine ers before I
got there where you know, they're running game. They just
couldn't get it going, and so they substituted a lot
a number of runs for six yard throws and it
(28:31):
worked for him, and that became the West Coast offense.
And yeah, if you got a back Roger Craig's up
for the Hall of Fame this year, and he could
catch the ball and do all those things, and that's
really really a positive thing for your offense. So yeah,
that's another reason why this game, this game. I don't
(28:52):
think it's going to be anything like the Minnesota game
as far as the offense is concerned. But the Seahawks
have to bring it on defense.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
All right.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And you got all the holiday stuff up, that's all
been done now, right, correct? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
We did we did the Christmas tree looks beautiful. Kathy
dex Ray decorates to the rest of the house, and
we did it appropriately when the time was right. You know,
you have Thanksgiving, then you do it, okay, And I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna dwell on that too much
because I think my my plea falls on deaf ears.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Are you one of the types that has to be
told by Kathy? Hey, the candy canes are for decoration.
Stop taking them off the tree and eating them?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Are you? Are you one of those ticks who I
used to be.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
I'm better now, you know, but I learned my lesson.
How many times can he get spanked on the hand,
you know, for doing something like that?
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Just leave them up, all right, Coach. We'll enjoy the
weekend and we'll talk to you on Monday.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
All right, Chuck, Thank you?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
All right.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
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we close out the week with booze news. I swear
(30:20):
the fantasy gods are conspiring against me here on the
playoff week?
Speaker 7 (30:24):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
T Higgins is playing? That hurts me?
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Oh it does.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Jadan Daniels is playing. That hurts me. And then our
stupid rule that we made.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Yeah, that one's killing you.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Where I'm going to beat somebody else by four full
games and he's going to make the playoffs and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
What's that all about?
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Now?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
That rule is stupid.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
That's a stupid rule. How did we all?
Speaker 7 (30:44):
I will admit I was a little confused.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
I thought the rule was going to be implemented differently
than it is being implemented. And I think the way
it is being implemented is dumb.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
Hurting you.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Maybe we should change it then, Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Yeah to how I thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, that we should have a vote, all twelve of us,
and we'll all decide that there's no way we can
put anders in over chalk.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Yeah, that should be the way the vote goes.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Okay, all right, great, all right, I'm down. Yeah, where's
that petition?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I'll start it? Time to close out the week, and
you know how we lose it.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
I'm Ashley and this is the Booze News.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Jeez, everybody, Happy weekend. Cheer's Christopher.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
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from single batches. The fresh cream combined with premium Irish
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Farms Irish cream.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Must be twenty one. Please drink responsibly.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Vanilla bean is dancing on my tongue.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Hmmm, it's really good.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Also, before I continue with the Boozews, now that I
just whispered, what's up with all these whispering commercials we've got?
And you know, I understand a lot of most people
aren't listening with headphones on, but hearing someone whisper.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Really loudly in your ear, oh, is not a great sound.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
And hearing like paper things and people going none of
those are great sounds. I'm with you, and we've got
like an influx of things that are happening with all
of those.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I would also ask Chris Kid, maybe why does your
host Mark James get so breathy when he talks about meat.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You know, we're gonna have to figure that out today.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
One of mystery.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I'm gonna have to bring up meat somehow.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Mead that so great.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Darky, that's actually a really good impression. I like it.
I like it all right.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Now to the Booze News. It is week fourteen in
the NFL. We've got some interesting pairings on the field
and off the field. Oh, the New York Giants are
on by this weekend, so naturally, Jameis, Winston and Russell
will are on the Fox and CBS broadcasts.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Have you heard this?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
No, Yes, Winston will be on the Fox pregame show.
I'm assuming that's gonna be really funny. He was great
when he was with them on the Super Bowl, very entertaining.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
And he he's got a personality that one.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Yes he does. And he's always good for sound soundbites
because who could forget his inspirational speeches like we outside
but we inside right and you can't see the sky
is the limit when people are on the.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
Moon they are. They make me think.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Yeah, so I can't wait to see what he's gonna
come up with his weekend.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
I know he's gonna be great. And then there's Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Oh, yes, different, Yeah, he's apparently spending the day with CBS.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
And who could forget his great inspirational moments.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Like mister, mister, mister on limmity. That is a good one, right,
everybody felt inspired and hey, Ronco's country let's ride.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
And speaking of getting breathy on meat was his sandwich
commerds for subway not the worst?
Speaker 5 (34:01):
And that's what I was going to say, because here
you go, he's.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Going on TV. He won't be awkward at all.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Think subway, creepy sandwich adds what was it dangerous?
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Dangerous?
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Witch?
Speaker 7 (34:15):
Yeah, yeah, dangerous.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
And he was like smacking just like you said earlier.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
Careful though it's spicy.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yes, Jameis Winston phenomenal personality, Russell Wilson awkward Jamis Winston
as a phenomenal person.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Oh well, you know what.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
I am still going to tune in though, because I
it's going to be like a train wreck. You can't
look away.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Now, I do have to take a minute to share
with you the worst insult I have ever had flung
in my direction, and it happened.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
This morning on our text link.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Oh okay, a textter this morning had the nerve to
text in calling us Notre Dame apaul just for understanding
that Notre Dame has a case to make in the
playoff over.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
Miami, as does Miami to get in over Notre Dame.
They both do. Now, I've been called a.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Lot of things, dumb, idiot, stupid woman. I've been told
to stay in the kitchen, stick to chores, I mean
other words I couldn't repeat on the air.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
And I've gotten on Bucky for that.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
Yeah, no, thank you. It's about damn time. It's about
damn time.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
But I have never had anyone come me to the
core like Steve did this morning. A Notre Dame apologist. Yeah,
I can't even say it without puking. Damn it, Steve,
you got me all fired out. And then he had
the nerve to just say, I would never think of
usc alum would be a Notre Dame fan.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
I was just getting you all fired up. Well you
did it, it were congrats, Steve.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, I'm all pissed. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Oh, we both soundly root against Notre Dame, Ashley even
more so than I.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
I hate them. There is never a scenario. Well, I
will ever cheer for them.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, I'm not cheering for them to make the tournament.
I'm just saying there's a if you don't think, there's
an argument for.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
It, and that's it.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
There's an argument for them, There's an argument for Miami,
there's an argument for Texas. I mean, all of these
teams we talked about all morning.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
And do I want them to get in? Hell?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
No, I mean there's even a chance James Madison and
Tulane get into the tournament. Am I a Tulane apologist?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
No?
Speaker 7 (36:27):
But do I root for the chaos? Yes?
Speaker 5 (36:30):
I don't know, Steve. What's next? You're gonna tell me
how Lo great and powder Blue?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (36:35):
You gonna gift me a duck for Christmas?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, Steve, I hate Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Now I'm all flustered, and I gotta talk about things
to make my spirits aren't happy, like garlands and Christmas
trees and snowy villages.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Ago, I can breathe again.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
All right, that's it, All right, Happy news Dams.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Except for you, Steve.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Yeah, damn you, Steve.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Coming up next, it's Mark James and his Breathy Meat
with Christopher Kidd on Sports Radio ninety three point three
kJ R f M.
Speaker 8 (37:11):
Hey you want to split the subway sandwich? It is
my signature sandwich. It's so dangerous and it's dangerously good.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Oh, before we go, we gotta give one more shout
out to Keith Took.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Oh God, all the worst.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Have a good weekend.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Have you ever done anything dangerous? Jeez, that is dangerous.
I've done something like that too. I don't tell anybody.
Listen one time. Never mind, that's two dangerous anyways, my
(37:56):
danger wous it's only in the ball. That's a little
baker m.
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