December 9, 2025 • 36 mins
GENE STERATORE (CBS Rules Analyst) - Justin Herbert’s injury - How on Earth was that Isaiah Likely catch NOT a touchdown? - Did the Seahawks get away with one? - Does replay assist need replay assist? :30- EVERETT FITZHUGH (Kraken Audio Netowrk PxP) Have the Kraken hit rick-bottom? After last night’s 6th loss in a row, some of the players believe so. Do they need to try harder? What will it take for this team to snap the skid? :45- How old is too old to play in the NFL? Just asking for our dear friend Phillip.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yes, every week, CBS rules analysts and the greatest NFL
official ever. He's got eyes like a hawk, I tell you.
Gene Sterotor joins us right here on Chucking Buck. Come morning, sir,
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
How are you, Chuckie.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
We're doing all right?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Can you read the bottom line at the I chart
when you go to the optometrist?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I have to be fully honest about that, Yeah, I
can't with my.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Five officials aren't supposed to ever admit that they have glasses.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Gene You know that, I purposely, in my as my
eyes did decline a little in my basketball career, thought
that working with a little fuzziness and not being you know,
seeing it too clean. Actually it was a pretty good
thing for me because I didn't see the tiki tag files.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
They were kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Blended into you know, a little fuzziness. So I just
got the big ones. You know, did that make me
a little bit blind? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Probably, but you know I ran with it.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I love the fact that you're just owning it after
years of officials taking abuse for kneading glasses jeans like, yeah,
I've got a pair right here in my pocket. All right, Well,
let's dive into a few things. I we got some
plays to isolate, but I just want to I'm watching
Monday Night football last night and just wanted to try
to get your opinion on something he got justin Herbert
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clearly out there playing with an injury to his left hand.
I mean, it looks like he's got a prosthetic on
his left hand the way that he's kind of operating
out there, And I'm just curious, from an official standpoint,
how difficult that was for you to not treat him
too precious. I mean, you know that he's hurt, you
know he's got an injury. Was it easy difficult for
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you in those situations to treat him like everybody else
or did you have to keep reminding yourself of, Hey,
this is football. If he's going to be out here,
he's a subject to the same hits that everybody else is.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, you know, in all honesty, one of the things
that I just admired so much about the athletes, you know,
through my whole career was yet justin Herbert definitely has
a major injury, right and we can all see it.
He's a quarterback. But there wasn't a Sunday that went
by where you didn't know that a half a dozen
guys were out there, you know, playing with something that
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none of us would go in the backyard today and say,
now I just can't throw with you son. You know,
it's just a bad week, you know, And these guys
were out there every single week, you know, just just
playing with reckless abandon but you know, and just the
appreciation of it, so you know you're aware of it.
But it is what you kind of said.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
At the end check, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean, this is the game you guys shows to
play and they wear it as a badge of honor
that they're gonna play through it.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
You know. I was watching Aaron Rodgers this.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Week for his second consecutive week, you know, with the
cast on his left hand, you know, and going a
whole week, and I'm sure Herbert's the same way where
you can't even practice a hand to hand snap just
because you want to don't want to deal with the
impact of a football being snapped part into your hand,
you know.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
I mean, it's it's amazing what they do.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
And then it's even equally and maybe more amazing to
then see how they perform with things that, again we
would never want to go out and just throw catch with.
But they're performing at this unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Level with injuries that are that are significant.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So it's more of an admiration thing and a yeah,
you want to help them get off the ground this
quick as you can whenever you see him down. But
I was like that with every quarterback they got caught down.
You know, I wanted to still be there as quick
as I could. And sometimes they take the hand and
sometimes they wave it off. You know, it just depended
on their mood of the day.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Yeah gee, I mean, there was actually one, and it's
kind of something that I know is not necessarily in
the rules, and yet I'm curious as to how you
would have officiated it. I mean, not this week, but
last week when he ended up hurting being hurt. He
was playing against the Raiders, and there was one play
where a defenseman like he'd already gotten rid of the
ball and the defensive player kind of runs by and
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on purpose like slaps his hand, like hits his hand.
You know that there's some guys out there that are
going to go after something that's hurt on a guy.
That's just kind of part of the way the NFL is.
And yet that I don't think that's against the rules.
Is it necessarily walk by and slap a guy that
has a sore hand?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Exactly, Bucky. But you know what I mean, if you're
really on your game as a ref that moment and
you see it, you don't you maybe can't flag it
right because what are you going to call there? But
it doesn't go without being recognized, Like it would be
one of those moments where I would hope my MIC
wasn't accidentally turned on for what I might be saying
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to that player understanding what that action could create for
the rest of the game two plays later, or you know.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Or the ramifications of that.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So in those types of scenarios, game managing again without
a hot MIC is a good tool to have, and
hopefully if you see it or could catch it, you
address it really, really fast for all the right reasons,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
But yeah, it's part of business.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
It's like when there was a fumble in that pile
and you know, ten bodies are in there trying to scratch,
reach and rip any body part they can from underneath
the pile because they don't want to claim that their
hands is attached to the rest of their body. There.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
You know what was going on.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
You know, you just tried to get it, didn't get
it finished as quick as we couldn't move on to
the next snap.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Jeane Sterator is with us the segment every week brought
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Eyes like a hawk.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
And for years.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
A stigmatism in the left eye, just the mouth stigmatism
in the left off that didn't really affect his depth,
perception or anything of.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
This judgment was keen his Keen twenty twenty. Yeah, all right, well,
let's dive into some of these plays. And I'm going
to start with something that I said yesterday in our
show meeting might have been the.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Worst call I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I don't understand how Isaiah Likely's touchdown catch was overruled.
So explain that to me. Baltimore, the Harball family. God,
we're all listening because we don't get that one.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's this place. I have to tell you, guys, listen.
I mean my career paralleled that I was the Calvin
Johnson catch. I was the des Bryant catch. I was
the zach Ertz catch in the Super Bowl. So the
catch and the way the rule is written, and the
fact that we've decided to make it a reviewable frame
by frame play has created these types of scenarios where
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we're going to have plays that are getting right to
what one hundred people in the bar say, touchdown and
back after review based on the criteria that we have
to set in some way for a subjective play. We've
got to get it in black and white to be
able to say this is how we're doing it. The
play happens. This was another one of those perfect storm plays. Look,
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I think if you do watch it in real time
and you realize that we have this little extended moment
where we all do think it's a catch and the
ball comes out, we are getting triggered a little bit,
I think after some years ago, and that might not
be you know, let's.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Take a look.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Maybe the backfoot still was down and it was the
third step. Whenever those little elements turn out to be,
this one felt like it was exactly that perfect storm.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
In so many levels.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Now, an upright receiver in the end zone in the
field of play has to continue to finish the three
elements of the catch in their processed steps, possession, two
feet down, and then either a third step or the
time to make a different type of a football move,
or a football move in this scenario likely does something
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that we just haven't seen. He initially possesses a football
with both arms fully extended away from his body for
the right reasons. So his possession, which is step one,
is with his arms fully extended. He gets two feet down,
keeps the ball fully extended to keep it away from
the defensive back at that time from ripping it out
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in the end zone. In a frame or two before
his third foot hits the ground, and the time element
that would be deciphered in some subjective manner hadn't taken
place fully yet, the football comes loose, so you're.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Gonna have all of these different variables.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Hey, the football move is he's got his arms extended.
He didn't extend them from being the ball being in
his body and reaching. He's not going to take it
from being fully extended and tucking it back in.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
He's bringing it to danger.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So you had a lot of these little elements of
this definition of what becomes a catch, and then it differs,
as we know if he were following, it would be
a different element.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Right. So this is the challenge, no pun intended.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I think it's a piece of the game that these
stakeholders decided to make reviewable that at times we see
these plays happen where we think this whole thing is
just not the way we.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Want it to be.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
But yet we've got to live by some criteria. And
I really do feel like this play is that play.
You know, I talked to half a dozen people in
football in the football world that said, look, as soon
as I thought, I thought, that's just not a catch
right now, you know, but then again, you'll look at
a very very wide origin of humans, it'll say, you know,
that's just a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I know, I mean, and I understand that as well,
But I think these are the scenarios, and this is
what we have to live with in some ways because
we're reviewing subjective pieces of a play. It's not a
black and white play.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Okay, well, I mean I get then if you've put
the letter of the law down, then you've got to
go by the letter of the law. And yet there
there was a play in the Seahawks game Seattle against Atlanta.
It was a play in the second quarter and it
ended up being kind of a four point play. Now,
it didn't really matter because the game ended up being
(10:55):
thirty seven to nine, but you know, that was when
the game was still close, and this was a way
a time in which the Falcons are trying to extend
their lead, where it looked like the receiver Moody was
kind of forced out of bounds just a little bit
of contact and he goes out of bounds, comes back
and I think he gets two feet down, which I
thought this re establishes himself. But they basically negate the
(11:18):
touchdown at that point in time, and they said that
he didn't reestablish himself. So what is the rule of
how much contact can happen before you're considered forcing someone
out of bounds? And what does he have to do
to re basically re establish being inbounds.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Really interesting play Bucky with a lot of different pieces
to that as well, and you did. You set it
up perfectly.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
So in this scenario, you.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
See a defensive back with the receiver running near the sideline,
and we have some contact with the defensive player beyond
five yards. Let's even put it in that category where
if we thought it was a redirection type of a
contact by the defensive player and the quarterback was in
the pocket, would have flag for illegal contact maybe, But
this contact wasn't enough to rise to the level of
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legal contact because it was it was subtle, right, it's
what we want them to do. Let him play a
little bit. So now the bump that isn't a foul
does cause the receiver to step out of bounds. Now,
once he's out of bounds, and he's out of bounds,
free of file, he's out of bounds just because he
either put himself there voluntarily or the contact was so
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incidental that we're not thinking that he was forced out
or fouled to be out. Now, he is not eligible
to be the first person to touch a legal forward pass,
regardless of whether he re establishes or not. If he
gets both feedback in in that scenario and catches the
football and finishes the play, there's a flag for illegal
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touching on the receiver for going out of bounds, free
of file and being first to touch. The penalty for
that file is just a loss of down at the
previous spot. If he steps out of bounds, gets one
foot back in, which is fine in colleagues because it's
a one foot game.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
In the NFL is a two feet game.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
If he goes out of bounds and only reestablished, it
doesn't reestablish but gets one foot in the field of play.
The other foots in the air. The moment that he
touches that forward pass, he's out of bounds still by rule,
so it becomes an incomplete pass. So regardless of how
that play kind of finished, incomplete pass back kind of
loss of down right next down back to the previous spot,
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re establishes illegal touching foul foul is go back to
the previous spot. It was a loss of down next down,
so the penalty or the result would have been the same.
But that's how that play gets squared as it relates
to a player going out of bounds that was not fouled.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
If he were.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Fouled out of bounds and you had illegal contact that
put him out.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Now he comes back in and catches thing.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You may see two flags there and then the dreaded
rep conference for a minute. But you'd have one official
saying either illegal touching on eighty eight and say no,
that's fine.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Hold on a minute, I've.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Got a legal contact on twenty eight that put them out.
Pick up the flag for illegal or illegal touching. We'll
decline the file for illegal contact to be caught it,
and then go back to square one and have the
result of the play. So that play definitely has a
lot of layers to it.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Buck boy, as somebody rooting for the Seahawks, I thought
for sure that we got away with one there. But
and then somebody that has no rooting interest in the
Baltimore Ravens, I thought they completely got screwed.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Just a recap.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Are you telling me I'm over two on these two
plays that they actually got the Baltimore catch or drop
right and they got the Falcons play right too.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Let me preface it by this man, which is what
I used to do with the mic By rule, Chuck
By rule, you're over two over ten.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Now do the refts right the rules? No?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Are they being taxed with applying these rules like this that.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
We all disagree with the times.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yes, you're oh for two by your personal opinion, I
give you like a half of one on the catch
and you're just wrong on the Seattle play.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
So just a fifteen yard penalty against me and not
fifteen yards in a loss a game.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, okay, got it, no.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Loss.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I still got a hold of dig out of here.
All right, let's talk about the Chiefs Texans game. I'll
be honest, I didn't watch a lot of this game
because I had just finished watching like thirty thousand football
games in the previous twenty four hours, so I kind
of needed a break by some.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Yeah, we welcome to fiworld.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Yeah, but apparently there were a lot of calls, and
of course then all the Chiefs that were brought into question,
and one in particular I want to ask you about
is that the Chiefs had challenged a replay assist and
then it is overturned.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
That he's the guy was ruled short. So it led
to the questions of can you challenge replay assist? And
is it a bad look? When the replay assist is
getting overturned.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Last question first, Yes, bad, look okay, right, I think
to even add a little more to it, I think
if you go back and watch the play, I think
the officials on the field got the spot right the
first time, right, which initiated what they felt was a
replay assist to.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Then award the first down. Dangerous place all around, gods. Like.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
From a philosophical standpoint, I'm all for I'm not a
worse and buggy guy. Enhance technology, make the game better,
Enhance communication from other people to make the game move
more efficiently.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yes, yes to both, but not.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
If it's at the detriment of what we love and
that's the essence of the game. And I get nervous
about that. This is a first for me. You know,
replay assists. Someone from off the field.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Comes down to tell the officials on the field.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You've done something incorrectly. We have it nailed upstairs. I
can assure you on the field. If that happens, you're
going wherever they're telling you in your ear to go,
because you have to trust how fast this game is
and how I could be wrong.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
And now we realize that they're wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Upstairs.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
That really is a big, big no no.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
We never can come down from above with with the
knee jerk quick reaction. That now has to be challenged.
And yes, I didn't know it. I'm kind of glad
it happened to another network's rules analysts to find out
if they could challenge or replay assistable play. I don't
recall that happening yet, it makes sense that you could.
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But then I guess the real question is, now that
I've challenged it and they've had a chance to look again,
can replay assist replay assist you know, like, can we
get it? Can we get a do over?
Speaker 5 (17:42):
And not?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And not kind of you know, tax the team with
that challenge, because really, again, what refs do. Let's say
that Kansas City was unsuccessful in their first challenge and
they're sit in a third quarter now and they were
forced to challenge or replay assist, they get it right,
but they didn't get both right. Now Kansas City may
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have to play the remainder of this game without a challenge,
and then god forbid, we end up with a play
that's not replay assistible.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
But after the third look, it's they were.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Wrong and Kansas City couldn't challenge, so a very very
delicate place. We've got to be careful and all these
new shiny objects that we're implementing in at the end
of the day are good for the game, but it
was the first for me. I have to say, uh
and thank goodness. Everybody's the working pieces were there to
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get the thing right, because that's what everybody wants at the.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
End of the day.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Here's my takeaway. You know, we got the better guy
on our show. We could add Terry McCauley and we
got the better goal. That's what I come from that.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah, first round for sure for the show.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
I am going to clip and send it to.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
My friend Terry everyone whenever we have those little moments.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
You know, we had our choice of many seemed rules analysts,
and we chose the right guys.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
That's what I heard. Nailed it.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Yeah, and he's happy for it, fellas, he's happy for it.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Where are you this weekend, We're going to.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Go back to New York.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
We have the Army Navy Game, which I think is
the greatest football game played in America every single year,
and the pomp and circumstance of being able to just
take that game in. My late father had the pleasure
to ref that game five times in his illustrious career
as an official.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
So it's a game.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I got to meet President Ford in nineteen seventy four
at an old JFK Stadium in Philly and got to
be in that game in that environment, I should say,
and really feel the magnitude of what it means to
see our young navy and army people off together. It's
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an amazing experience. It's a one off, so we have
the luxury of doing that on Saturday, fellas in that naturally,
I haven't looked yet because I'm still trying to unwind.
I don't know if it's five, six or seven games
on CBS this Sunday, which will probably half of them
at least be playoff implicating games. So just psyched up
for another great week?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
All right?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Well awesome, I'm glad to get to have that experience again.
Thanks as always, you are the best and we will
talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
All right, Thanks guys, have a great week.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
All right.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
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Oh wait, that doesn't go to that.
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we get to Ebert Fitzhugh Kyle Schwarber is going back
to Philadelphia. He has resigned a five year, one hundred
and fifty million dollars deal, thirty three year old player
with one hundred and fifty million dollars contract guaranteed to
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remain a Philadelphia Philly And then moments later, former Mariner
Edwin Diaz left the Mets officially he has signed with
the Los Angeles Dodgers. I don't have the money on
that in front of me just yet. But soon as
Schwarber went, they were calling him the Domino at the
MLB Winter meetings. So we get another move shortly after that.
So maybe things are cooking now down in Orlando with
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the MLB Winter meetings, things are not cooking for our
local hockey squad. They lost their sixth straight game last
night to the Minnesota Wild, this time four to won
the final score. Joining us is the voice of your
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Schwarber is not a Tiger.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Now, listen.
Speaker 9 (22:08):
I would have had my money on Shoreber going back home,
going back to Cincinnati. He's talked, he's talked quite a
bit over the last handful.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
Of years in his career just how much he liked Cincy, and.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
He wouldn't be opposed to coming back to Cincy and
finishing his career there. So I was I was surprised,
but are you I'm surprised they gave a thirty two
year old one hundred and fifty million dollars or his
baseball just monopoly money.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
And this is an Okay, I'm not surprised by that.
You know, I thought I thought that was going to
be about the rate.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Plus.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I think he's gonna age pretty well, don't you.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Bucky power's the last thing to go. Yeah, he's not.
He's not there. Not signed him for speed.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
You know he's he'll be able to hit bombs when
he's thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
And by the way, I think it was Banana Rama
who wrote money talks, Money talks, Ye, dirty cat, I
want you, dirty cat.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I need you.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Uh huh, so money always talks in these situations. Everett,
all right, talk to us. Let us know, Cracking have
lost six straight games, obviously the roughest patch of the
entire season, and it's not even close. So what's gone wrong?
And as the how is the how is the club house?
How's the coaching staff reacting to this?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Well?
Speaker 9 (23:22):
I mean, if you listen to the media from last night, uh,
you know, it's it's pretty Taylor Stevenson saying rock bottom
is pretty tough. Jordan Everley going on record saying, you know,
he knows this is a good team, but we need
more will to to to win games. We have to
try harder to win games. And you can you can
(23:44):
sense the dejection just in those comments. And you know, again,
it'd be one thing, and then take the Oilers game
out of it, it'd.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
Be one thing.
Speaker 9 (23:53):
If the cracking we're getting blown out every night, you know, uh,
six to one.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
But these are games that the cracking.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
I mean, you're on your way to overtime against Detroit
two games ago, and then you score, you get scored on.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
With two and a half minutes left.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
Last night If you look at the box score, yet
says a four to one loss, But I mean it
was two to one with two and a half minutes
until you get the empty nets.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
That the two empty net goals.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
So you know, for all intents and purposes, Grubauer only
let in two goals last night.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
So he had a really good performance.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
So that's the frustrating part, is that this system that
the cracking or playing.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
And then again you take the Edmonton Oiler games before.
Speaker 9 (24:33):
Nothing in the nine to four out of it. Four
of these six games have been one goal games. You
go back to the Islander game, that first shootout loss,
it was a one nothing shootout loss. It doesn't get
any closer than that. So the frustrating part is what
we've been talking about all season long. The offense still
(24:56):
not generating enough. You know, Lane Lambert has been saying
a lot the last couple of weeks a month here,
I want the guys to be more selfish. I want
guys shot the puck more. There were a couple of
plays last night where Seattle, you know, seemingly and it's
easy for us to say because we're up in the
press box and you can see plays develop. But the
(25:18):
cracking let let up a few easy shots. They passed
up on a few good looking shots. So I think
it's trying to get the offense going, and like the
rest of us, we're trying to scratch our heads and ask, well,
how do we get that done well?
Speaker 6 (25:33):
So is that just the idea of you're looking for
something that's too perfect? I mean, when a team, it's
one thing if one guy's like man, I just don't
see it. But if the entire team is kind of
having that same feeling when they're looking at, you know,
opportunities and not taking the shot, is that a Where
does that come from? And how do you expect Lambert
(25:54):
and company to kind of address it? Is it just
I don't care when it's on your stick throat at
the net.
Speaker 9 (26:00):
You know, I've always personally thought that this team has
been historically a little bit too passive. And I mean
that in the in the literal sense of the word.
This team will option for the for the extra pass
rather than putting the puck on the net lane. Lambert
he had some very pointed comments about a month ago,
(26:23):
I believe, maybe not quite two weeks ago, and he said,
I don't understand. Basically, I don't understand why these guys
won't listen to me. I want them to be more selfish.
I want them to shoot the puck. You can hear Al.
We'll talk about it all the time. You know how
many times have we seen goals go off of Jaden
Schwartz's his body and in although he's out right now,
(26:44):
but guys in front of the net. Go back to Chicago,
there is a goal that went off of two knees
and ultimately into.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
The back of the net.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
That doesn't happen unless you throw the puck to the net.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
So I do think there is a a.
Speaker 9 (26:59):
Pension for waiting for that perfect shot, for waiting for
that clear lane. Last night, the second a wild goal,
Marcus Johansson is right in front of Grubauer. The wild
defenseman lost the puck to the net. Johansson just happens
to be right there. It goes off his skate, ankle, stick, whatever,
(27:22):
and into the back of the net. Those are the
type of goals you have to score. Goalies in the
NHL are too good. You're not gonna beat a goalie
with a sixty foot slap shot from the blue line.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
It's just not gonna happen anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I always like Jayan Schwartz. I never really saw him
as being like invaluable, and yet man, they have not
been the same without him. How much do they miss Schwartz?
Speaker 9 (27:44):
There is a there's a certain calmness about Jaden Schwartz.
When you put him on the ice and the team
just breathed this, it almost seems like he injects this
sigh of relief, you know, as if to say, Okay,
we're gonna be fine, We're gonna be good, We're gonna
get this done. He just has this way about him
(28:05):
and and and you're really missing that leadership on the ice,
on the bench, I think on the power play, which
has been abysmal in the last handful of games. Yeah,
they scored one last night, and you know what, after
they've got power play goals in two in a row,
after going ninth straight without a power play goal. So
there is a silver lining there, but you're missing that piece,
(28:28):
that net front piece, and I think this overall, you're
missing a guy who, in addition to the Jordan Eberles
and the Matty Veneers and the Jarry McCants, you're missing
some of that passion on the bench that that the
younger guys can feed off of, and the energy that
guys can feed off of. You're really missing that with
him out of the lineup.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Well, Kings tomorrow not exactly an easy team. We got
about thirty seconds left to try to end this skid against.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Yeah, they've been up in down the last few weeks,
but I mean they're still third place in the division.
They are on their mother's trip this week as well,
so they're getting an extra bolt of jolts of energy.
They just won in Vancouver last night for nothing. I
mean that was a pretty u pretty wild game for them.
(29:19):
So this is the team that the cracket are gonna
have to they have to win. I mean, this is
where where I don't like to say this is a
must win game. I don't like to say that before
the the All Star break, you know, in February.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
But this is a must win game right now.
Speaker 9 (29:36):
You're only four points out of or three points rather
out of a playoff spot. So you win tomorrow, you're
back in the thick of this race and the saving
grace for Seattle. All of these teams are so bunched up.
I think first place in the in the division and
sixth place or seventh place in the division are only
separated by five points. So it's it's not it's not
(29:59):
hard right now, says get back in the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
But tomorrow, I.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
Mean, this is about as close to a must win
game as you're gonna get.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
All right, man, thank you, great stuff. As always, We'll
be listening tomorrow and we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
All right, guys, take care see at.
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Speaker 4 (31:27):
Very good stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Chuck buck Ashley with you here. Rick new Eyes is
going to join us at nine o'clock. So Koog's fans
be listening up because I'm gonna ask him if he's
gonna be the next head coach of the Washington State
guard I can't wait. Yeah, I can't wait here his response.
If he doesn't answer our call, you know that something's up. Yeah, yeah,
I haven't heard from him. Yeah, So hopefully I don't
think he's gonna He wouldn't duck out on us. We'll see,
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we shall could go missing, we shall see. But the
other big story that we're dealing with today, and frankly
haven't talked enough about up Rivers might be coming out
of retirement. I don't think there's any chance that he'll
be coming out of retirement to play this Sunday. That
seems impossible. But then again, just Philip Rivers coming out
of retirement seems impossible. And yet he is visiting with
(32:15):
the Indianapolis Colts. They do need quarterback depth. You can't
trade for anybody. That deadline has passed, and so they
have asked former Colt forty four years old, five years
removed from playing in the National Football League. He's on
the damn Hall of Fame ballot this year. He might
get into the Hall of Fame if not for him
playing for the Colts this Sunday and he might be
(32:38):
on his way back to the National Football League. It
is insane as a former athlete, I mean, how long
do you think you could have been away from the
game and then thought to yourself, okay, I think I
still can recapture it.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Ten minutes, not very long. I mean really it was
probably five years out of the question. Yeah, well, I
mean to play quarterback. Possibly not. I mean, okay, so
arm obviously is important. He was never mobile to begin with,
right as far as his legs go.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
And his delivery always looked like an old man throwing
his newspaper right on the shot put in just like that.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
I think, you know, he's been coaching his like high
school a high school team the last like five years,
you know, back you know, still making that money. Since
he has ten kids and now grandkids along with it,
I wouldn't be surprised if he still is throwing. But
he's not doing the stuff that it takes to physically
be able to withstand the abuse that even though they
(33:38):
protect quarterbacks, I mean, you're gonna get hit.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
And I watched Justin Herbert play last night and he
hardly got hit or yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Right, he wishes he didn't get hit. He played out
there with a broken hand, and yet there was I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yet he was inviting contact every play, just keep on,
every quarterback keepers, and he wanted to win.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
It was a gutty performance. And yet to me, it's
there's something about I mean, you get over forty. One
of the most blatant things that you notice is how
much longer it takes to heal. And you know, I
mean just everything that you that gets hurt, it just
hurts longer than it usually does. Now, I mean, this
is an opportunity. I think that that he's a competitor
(34:18):
that doesn't go away ever, right, the idea of I
want to go out and compete, and the fact that
he never got to play in a Super Bowl, I
think is why he's always kept the option open. You know,
in his first couple of years out of retirement, he
was still entertaining the idea.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I think he was still in if I remember correctly,
I think he threw it out there again at the
beginning of this year he said, if anybody wants to
give me a shot, I think I can still play.
I think he's kept that ball in the air ever
since he retired. Yeah, and this makes you beg the
question why'd you retire?
Speaker 8 (34:46):
Then?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
I guess just you don't want to put in the
time to do it every single day or every offseason.
And yet if you don't do it, then the chances
of something bad happening injury wise, I think go up expan.
And yet if he's entertaining it, then I imagine he's
capable of doing the main things that quarterback needs to do. Right,
(35:08):
I mean, now, how much faster the game would go?
That's where in baseball? Okay, when I was three or
four years out of playing, could I have still swung about?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Could I have seen it as well and reacted as quickly,
especially when relatively I was going backwards without having the reps? No,
it would have been. I mean two years out, I
wouldn't have been. It would have taken a long time
to get back to where you would have needed to
be if if my body was capable of doing it
at all.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
But to me, there seems like no chance. And yet
I do want to see it.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Oh yeah, I'm rooting for it.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yeah, yeah, I want.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
I think the mental side of it would be fine,
you know, especially since he's still coaching Yeah, you want
to see it this Sunday.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
No, I'm not saying it for a perspective. I want
to by the story becomes even better if it's like
he plays immediately. No, I'm with you, and it's already
a phenomenal story even if it never comes to Ruster.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Yeah, it'd be interesting to see. I mean, I want
I would like to see it. I would like to
see a guy come back at forty four and possibly
do enough to help a team win, because that team's
it was a really good team for the first part
of the year. They've been scuffling as of late, so
we'll see if he can rebound, all
Speaker 3 (36:16):
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
How are you, Chuckie.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
We're doing all right?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Can you read the bottom line at the I chart
when you go to the optometrist?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I have to be fully honest about that, Yeah, I
can't with my.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Five officials aren't supposed to ever admit that they have glasses.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Gene You know that, I purposely, in my as my
eyes did decline a little in my basketball career, thought
that working with a little fuzziness and not being you know,
seeing it too clean. Actually it was a pretty good
thing for me because I didn't see the tiki tag files.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
They were kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Blended into you know, a little fuzziness. So I just
got the big ones. You know, did that make me
a little bit blind? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Probably, but you know I ran with it.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I love the fact that you're just owning it after
years of officials taking abuse for kneading glasses jeans like, yeah,
I've got a pair right here in my pocket. All right, Well,
let's dive into a few things. I we got some
plays to isolate, but I just want to I'm watching
Monday Night football last night and just wanted to try
to get your opinion on something he got justin Herbert
(01:52):
clearly out there playing with an injury to his left hand.
I mean, it looks like he's got a prosthetic on
his left hand the way that he's kind of operating
out there, And I'm just curious, from an official standpoint,
how difficult that was for you to not treat him
too precious. I mean, you know that he's hurt, you
know he's got an injury. Was it easy difficult for
(02:16):
you in those situations to treat him like everybody else
or did you have to keep reminding yourself of, Hey,
this is football. If he's going to be out here,
he's a subject to the same hits that everybody else is.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, you know, in all honesty, one of the things
that I just admired so much about the athletes, you know,
through my whole career was yet justin Herbert definitely has
a major injury, right and we can all see it.
He's a quarterback. But there wasn't a Sunday that went
by where you didn't know that a half a dozen
guys were out there, you know, playing with something that
(02:52):
none of us would go in the backyard today and say,
now I just can't throw with you son. You know,
it's just a bad week, you know, And these guys
were out there every single week, you know, just just
playing with reckless abandon but you know, and just the
appreciation of it, so you know you're aware of it.
But it is what you kind of said.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
At the end check, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean, this is the game you guys shows to
play and they wear it as a badge of honor
that they're gonna play through it.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
You know. I was watching Aaron Rodgers this.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Week for his second consecutive week, you know, with the
cast on his left hand, you know, and going a
whole week, and I'm sure Herbert's the same way where
you can't even practice a hand to hand snap just
because you want to don't want to deal with the
impact of a football being snapped part into your hand,
you know.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
I mean, it's it's amazing what they do.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
And then it's even equally and maybe more amazing to
then see how they perform with things that, again we
would never want to go out and just throw catch with.
But they're performing at this unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Level with injuries that are that are significant.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So it's more of an admiration thing and a yeah,
you want to help them get off the ground this
quick as you can whenever you see him down. But
I was like that with every quarterback they got caught down.
You know, I wanted to still be there as quick
as I could. And sometimes they take the hand and
sometimes they wave it off. You know, it just depended
on their mood of the day.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Yeah gee, I mean, there was actually one, and it's
kind of something that I know is not necessarily in
the rules, and yet I'm curious as to how you
would have officiated it. I mean, not this week, but
last week when he ended up hurting being hurt. He
was playing against the Raiders, and there was one play
where a defenseman like he'd already gotten rid of the
ball and the defensive player kind of runs by and
(04:36):
on purpose like slaps his hand, like hits his hand.
You know that there's some guys out there that are
going to go after something that's hurt on a guy.
That's just kind of part of the way the NFL is.
And yet that I don't think that's against the rules.
Is it necessarily walk by and slap a guy that
has a sore hand?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Exactly, Bucky. But you know what I mean, if you're
really on your game as a ref that moment and
you see it, you don't you maybe can't flag it
right because what are you going to call there? But
it doesn't go without being recognized, Like it would be
one of those moments where I would hope my MIC
wasn't accidentally turned on for what I might be saying
(05:14):
to that player understanding what that action could create for
the rest of the game two plays later, or you know.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Or the ramifications of that.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So in those types of scenarios, game managing again without
a hot MIC is a good tool to have, and
hopefully if you see it or could catch it, you
address it really, really fast for all the right reasons,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
But yeah, it's part of business.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
It's like when there was a fumble in that pile
and you know, ten bodies are in there trying to scratch,
reach and rip any body part they can from underneath
the pile because they don't want to claim that their
hands is attached to the rest of their body. There.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
You know what was going on.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
You know, you just tried to get it, didn't get
it finished as quick as we couldn't move on to
the next snap.
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Speaker 4 (06:22):
And for years.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
A stigmatism in the left eye, just the mouth stigmatism
in the left off that didn't really affect his depth,
perception or anything of.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
This judgment was keen his Keen twenty twenty. Yeah, all right, well,
let's dive into some of these plays. And I'm going
to start with something that I said yesterday in our
show meeting might have been the.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Worst call I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I don't understand how Isaiah Likely's touchdown catch was overruled.
So explain that to me. Baltimore, the Harball family. God,
we're all listening because we don't get that one.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's this place. I have to tell you, guys, listen.
I mean my career paralleled that I was the Calvin
Johnson catch. I was the des Bryant catch. I was
the zach Ertz catch in the Super Bowl. So the
catch and the way the rule is written, and the
fact that we've decided to make it a reviewable frame
by frame play has created these types of scenarios where
(07:30):
we're going to have plays that are getting right to
what one hundred people in the bar say, touchdown and
back after review based on the criteria that we have
to set in some way for a subjective play. We've
got to get it in black and white to be
able to say this is how we're doing it. The
play happens. This was another one of those perfect storm plays. Look,
(07:54):
I think if you do watch it in real time
and you realize that we have this little extended moment
where we all do think it's a catch and the
ball comes out, we are getting triggered a little bit,
I think after some years ago, and that might not
be you know, let's.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Take a look.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Maybe the backfoot still was down and it was the
third step. Whenever those little elements turn out to be,
this one felt like it was exactly that perfect storm.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
In so many levels.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Now, an upright receiver in the end zone in the
field of play has to continue to finish the three
elements of the catch in their processed steps, possession, two
feet down, and then either a third step or the
time to make a different type of a football move,
or a football move in this scenario likely does something
(08:41):
that we just haven't seen. He initially possesses a football
with both arms fully extended away from his body for
the right reasons. So his possession, which is step one,
is with his arms fully extended. He gets two feet down,
keeps the ball fully extended to keep it away from
the defensive back at that time from ripping it out
(09:02):
in the end zone. In a frame or two before
his third foot hits the ground, and the time element
that would be deciphered in some subjective manner hadn't taken
place fully yet, the football comes loose, so you're.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Gonna have all of these different variables.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Hey, the football move is he's got his arms extended.
He didn't extend them from being the ball being in
his body and reaching. He's not going to take it
from being fully extended and tucking it back in.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
He's bringing it to danger.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So you had a lot of these little elements of
this definition of what becomes a catch, and then it differs,
as we know if he were following, it would be
a different element.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Right. So this is the challenge, no pun intended.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I think it's a piece of the game that these
stakeholders decided to make reviewable that at times we see
these plays happen where we think this whole thing is
just not the way we.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Want it to be.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
But yet we've got to live by some criteria. And
I really do feel like this play is that play.
You know, I talked to half a dozen people in
football in the football world that said, look, as soon
as I thought, I thought, that's just not a catch
right now, you know, but then again, you'll look at
a very very wide origin of humans, it'll say, you know,
that's just a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I know, I mean, and I understand that as well,
But I think these are the scenarios, and this is
what we have to live with in some ways because
we're reviewing subjective pieces of a play. It's not a
black and white play.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
Okay, well, I mean I get then if you've put
the letter of the law down, then you've got to
go by the letter of the law. And yet there
there was a play in the Seahawks game Seattle against Atlanta.
It was a play in the second quarter and it
ended up being kind of a four point play. Now,
it didn't really matter because the game ended up being
(10:55):
thirty seven to nine, but you know, that was when
the game was still close, and this was a way
a time in which the Falcons are trying to extend
their lead, where it looked like the receiver Moody was
kind of forced out of bounds just a little bit
of contact and he goes out of bounds, comes back
and I think he gets two feet down, which I
thought this re establishes himself. But they basically negate the
(11:18):
touchdown at that point in time, and they said that
he didn't reestablish himself. So what is the rule of
how much contact can happen before you're considered forcing someone
out of bounds? And what does he have to do
to re basically re establish being inbounds.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Really interesting play Bucky with a lot of different pieces
to that as well, and you did. You set it
up perfectly.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
So in this scenario, you.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
See a defensive back with the receiver running near the sideline,
and we have some contact with the defensive player beyond
five yards. Let's even put it in that category where
if we thought it was a redirection type of a
contact by the defensive player and the quarterback was in
the pocket, would have flag for illegal contact maybe, But
this contact wasn't enough to rise to the level of
(12:06):
legal contact because it was it was subtle, right, it's
what we want them to do. Let him play a
little bit. So now the bump that isn't a foul
does cause the receiver to step out of bounds. Now,
once he's out of bounds, and he's out of bounds,
free of file, he's out of bounds just because he
either put himself there voluntarily or the contact was so
(12:26):
incidental that we're not thinking that he was forced out
or fouled to be out. Now, he is not eligible
to be the first person to touch a legal forward pass,
regardless of whether he re establishes or not. If he
gets both feedback in in that scenario and catches the
football and finishes the play, there's a flag for illegal
(12:47):
touching on the receiver for going out of bounds, free
of file and being first to touch. The penalty for
that file is just a loss of down at the
previous spot. If he steps out of bounds, gets one
foot back in, which is fine in colleagues because it's
a one foot game.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
In the NFL is a two feet game.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
If he goes out of bounds and only reestablished, it
doesn't reestablish but gets one foot in the field of play.
The other foots in the air. The moment that he
touches that forward pass, he's out of bounds still by rule,
so it becomes an incomplete pass. So regardless of how
that play kind of finished, incomplete pass back kind of
loss of down right next down back to the previous spot,
(13:29):
re establishes illegal touching foul foul is go back to
the previous spot. It was a loss of down next down,
so the penalty or the result would have been the same.
But that's how that play gets squared as it relates
to a player going out of bounds that was not fouled.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
If he were.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Fouled out of bounds and you had illegal contact that
put him out.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Now he comes back in and catches thing.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You may see two flags there and then the dreaded
rep conference for a minute. But you'd have one official
saying either illegal touching on eighty eight and say no,
that's fine.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Hold on a minute, I've.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Got a legal contact on twenty eight that put them out.
Pick up the flag for illegal or illegal touching. We'll
decline the file for illegal contact to be caught it,
and then go back to square one and have the
result of the play. So that play definitely has a
lot of layers to it.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Buck boy, as somebody rooting for the Seahawks, I thought
for sure that we got away with one there. But
and then somebody that has no rooting interest in the
Baltimore Ravens, I thought they completely got screwed.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Just a recap.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Are you telling me I'm over two on these two
plays that they actually got the Baltimore catch or drop
right and they got the Falcons play right too.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Let me preface it by this man, which is what
I used to do with the mic By rule, Chuck
By rule, you're over two over ten.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Now do the refts right the rules? No?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Are they being taxed with applying these rules like this that.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
We all disagree with the times.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yes, you're oh for two by your personal opinion, I
give you like a half of one on the catch
and you're just wrong on the Seattle play.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
So just a fifteen yard penalty against me and not
fifteen yards in a loss a game.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, okay, got it, no.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Loss.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I still got a hold of dig out of here.
All right, let's talk about the Chiefs Texans game. I'll
be honest, I didn't watch a lot of this game
because I had just finished watching like thirty thousand football
games in the previous twenty four hours, so I kind
of needed a break by some.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Yeah, we welcome to fiworld.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Yeah, but apparently there were a lot of calls, and
of course then all the Chiefs that were brought into question,
and one in particular I want to ask you about
is that the Chiefs had challenged a replay assist and
then it is overturned.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
That he's the guy was ruled short. So it led
to the questions of can you challenge replay assist? And
is it a bad look? When the replay assist is
getting overturned.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Last question first, Yes, bad, look okay, right, I think
to even add a little more to it, I think
if you go back and watch the play, I think
the officials on the field got the spot right the
first time, right, which initiated what they felt was a
replay assist to.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Then award the first down. Dangerous place all around, gods. Like.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
From a philosophical standpoint, I'm all for I'm not a
worse and buggy guy. Enhance technology, make the game better,
Enhance communication from other people to make the game move
more efficiently.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yes, yes to both, but not.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
If it's at the detriment of what we love and
that's the essence of the game. And I get nervous
about that. This is a first for me. You know,
replay assists. Someone from off the field.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Comes down to tell the officials on the field.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You've done something incorrectly. We have it nailed upstairs. I
can assure you on the field. If that happens, you're
going wherever they're telling you in your ear to go,
because you have to trust how fast this game is
and how I could be wrong.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
And now we realize that they're wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Upstairs.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
That really is a big, big no no.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
We never can come down from above with with the
knee jerk quick reaction. That now has to be challenged.
And yes, I didn't know it. I'm kind of glad
it happened to another network's rules analysts to find out
if they could challenge or replay assistable play. I don't
recall that happening yet, it makes sense that you could.
(17:30):
But then I guess the real question is, now that
I've challenged it and they've had a chance to look again,
can replay assist replay assist you know, like, can we
get it? Can we get a do over?
Speaker 5 (17:42):
And not?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And not kind of you know, tax the team with
that challenge, because really, again, what refs do. Let's say
that Kansas City was unsuccessful in their first challenge and
they're sit in a third quarter now and they were
forced to challenge or replay assist, they get it right,
but they didn't get both right. Now Kansas City may
(18:03):
have to play the remainder of this game without a challenge,
and then god forbid, we end up with a play
that's not replay assistible.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
But after the third look, it's they were.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Wrong and Kansas City couldn't challenge, so a very very
delicate place. We've got to be careful and all these
new shiny objects that we're implementing in at the end
of the day are good for the game, but it
was the first for me. I have to say, uh
and thank goodness. Everybody's the working pieces were there to
(18:32):
get the thing right, because that's what everybody wants at the.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
End of the day.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Here's my takeaway. You know, we got the better guy
on our show. We could add Terry McCauley and we
got the better goal. That's what I come from that.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah, first round for sure for the show.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
I am going to clip and send it to.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
My friend Terry everyone whenever we have those little moments.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
You know, we had our choice of many seemed rules analysts,
and we chose the right guys.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
That's what I heard. Nailed it.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Yeah, and he's happy for it, fellas, he's happy for it.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Where are you this weekend, We're going to.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Go back to New York.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
We have the Army Navy Game, which I think is
the greatest football game played in America every single year,
and the pomp and circumstance of being able to just
take that game in. My late father had the pleasure
to ref that game five times in his illustrious career
as an official.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
So it's a game.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I got to meet President Ford in nineteen seventy four
at an old JFK Stadium in Philly and got to
be in that game in that environment, I should say,
and really feel the magnitude of what it means to
see our young navy and army people off together. It's
(19:52):
an amazing experience. It's a one off, so we have
the luxury of doing that on Saturday, fellas in that naturally,
I haven't looked yet because I'm still trying to unwind.
I don't know if it's five, six or seven games
on CBS this Sunday, which will probably half of them
at least be playoff implicating games. So just psyched up
for another great week?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
All right?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Well awesome, I'm glad to get to have that experience again.
Thanks as always, you are the best and we will
talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
All right, Thanks guys, have a great week.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
All right.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Jeene Sterotor, gene Sterotor joining us. I don't know why
I hung up on him. Yeah, that's that button. Doesn't
hang up on that turns my mic off. Gene's Territor
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(20:44):
near the stadiums. Have you ever taken your key fob
for your car.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
And tried to open your front door with it? Because
I have no?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, first they were no, didn't and I even had
it even crossed my mind, like what's wrong with this?
Speaker 8 (21:01):
Dim?
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Oh wait, that doesn't go to that.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
All right, Everett Fitzi's next Sports Radio ninety three point
three KJRFM start to move and so far, so good
on that front. We have some breaking news be where
we get to Ebert Fitzhugh Kyle Schwarber is going back
to Philadelphia. He has resigned a five year, one hundred
and fifty million dollars deal, thirty three year old player
with one hundred and fifty million dollars contract guaranteed to
(21:27):
remain a Philadelphia Philly And then moments later, former Mariner
Edwin Diaz left the Mets officially he has signed with
the Los Angeles Dodgers. I don't have the money on
that in front of me just yet. But soon as
Schwarber went, they were calling him the Domino at the
MLB Winter meetings. So we get another move shortly after that.
So maybe things are cooking now down in Orlando with
(21:51):
the MLB Winter meetings, things are not cooking for our
local hockey squad. They lost their sixth straight game last
night to the Minnesota Wild, this time four to won
the final score. Joining us is the voice of your
crack and ever fits you. Good morning, sir. Sorry, Kyle
Schwarber is not a Tiger.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Now, listen.
Speaker 9 (22:08):
I would have had my money on Shoreber going back home,
going back to Cincinnati. He's talked, he's talked quite a
bit over the last handful.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
Of years in his career just how much he liked Cincy, and.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
He wouldn't be opposed to coming back to Cincy and
finishing his career there. So I was I was surprised,
but are you I'm surprised they gave a thirty two
year old one hundred and fifty million dollars or his
baseball just monopoly money.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
And this is an Okay, I'm not surprised by that.
You know, I thought I thought that was going to
be about the rate.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Plus.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I think he's gonna age pretty well, don't you.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Bucky power's the last thing to go. Yeah, he's not.
He's not there. Not signed him for speed.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
You know he's he'll be able to hit bombs when
he's thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
And by the way, I think it was Banana Rama
who wrote money talks, Money talks, Ye, dirty cat, I
want you, dirty cat.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I need you.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Uh huh, so money always talks in these situations. Everett,
all right, talk to us. Let us know, Cracking have
lost six straight games, obviously the roughest patch of the
entire season, and it's not even close. So what's gone wrong?
And as the how is the how is the club house?
How's the coaching staff reacting to this?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Well?
Speaker 9 (23:22):
I mean, if you listen to the media from last night, uh,
you know, it's it's pretty Taylor Stevenson saying rock bottom
is pretty tough. Jordan Everley going on record saying, you know,
he knows this is a good team, but we need
more will to to to win games. We have to
try harder to win games. And you can you can
(23:44):
sense the dejection just in those comments. And you know, again,
it'd be one thing, and then take the Oilers game
out of it, it'd.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
Be one thing.
Speaker 9 (23:53):
If the cracking we're getting blown out every night, you know, uh,
six to one.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
But these are games that the cracking.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
I mean, you're on your way to overtime against Detroit
two games ago, and then you score, you get scored on.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
With two and a half minutes left.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
Last night If you look at the box score, yet
says a four to one loss, But I mean it
was two to one with two and a half minutes
until you get the empty nets.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
That the two empty net goals.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
So you know, for all intents and purposes, Grubauer only
let in two goals last night.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
So he had a really good performance.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
So that's the frustrating part, is that this system that
the cracking or playing.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
And then again you take the Edmonton Oiler games before.
Speaker 9 (24:33):
Nothing in the nine to four out of it. Four
of these six games have been one goal games. You
go back to the Islander game, that first shootout loss,
it was a one nothing shootout loss. It doesn't get
any closer than that. So the frustrating part is what
we've been talking about all season long. The offense still
(24:56):
not generating enough. You know, Lane Lambert has been saying
a lot the last couple of weeks a month here,
I want the guys to be more selfish. I want
guys shot the puck more. There were a couple of
plays last night where Seattle, you know, seemingly and it's
easy for us to say because we're up in the
press box and you can see plays develop. But the
(25:18):
cracking let let up a few easy shots. They passed
up on a few good looking shots. So I think
it's trying to get the offense going, and like the
rest of us, we're trying to scratch our heads and ask, well,
how do we get that done well?
Speaker 6 (25:33):
So is that just the idea of you're looking for
something that's too perfect? I mean, when a team, it's
one thing if one guy's like man, I just don't
see it. But if the entire team is kind of
having that same feeling when they're looking at, you know,
opportunities and not taking the shot, is that a Where
does that come from? And how do you expect Lambert
(25:54):
and company to kind of address it? Is it just
I don't care when it's on your stick throat at
the net.
Speaker 9 (26:00):
You know, I've always personally thought that this team has
been historically a little bit too passive. And I mean
that in the in the literal sense of the word.
This team will option for the for the extra pass
rather than putting the puck on the net lane. Lambert
he had some very pointed comments about a month ago,
(26:23):
I believe, maybe not quite two weeks ago, and he said,
I don't understand. Basically, I don't understand why these guys
won't listen to me. I want them to be more selfish.
I want them to shoot the puck. You can hear Al.
We'll talk about it all the time. You know how
many times have we seen goals go off of Jaden
Schwartz's his body and in although he's out right now,
(26:44):
but guys in front of the net. Go back to Chicago,
there is a goal that went off of two knees
and ultimately into.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
The back of the net.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
That doesn't happen unless you throw the puck to the net.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
So I do think there is a a.
Speaker 9 (26:59):
Pension for waiting for that perfect shot, for waiting for
that clear lane. Last night, the second a wild goal,
Marcus Johansson is right in front of Grubauer. The wild
defenseman lost the puck to the net. Johansson just happens
to be right there. It goes off his skate, ankle, stick, whatever,
(27:22):
and into the back of the net. Those are the
type of goals you have to score. Goalies in the
NHL are too good. You're not gonna beat a goalie
with a sixty foot slap shot from the blue line.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
It's just not gonna happen anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I always like Jayan Schwartz. I never really saw him
as being like invaluable, and yet man, they have not
been the same without him. How much do they miss Schwartz?
Speaker 9 (27:44):
There is a there's a certain calmness about Jaden Schwartz.
When you put him on the ice and the team
just breathed this, it almost seems like he injects this
sigh of relief, you know, as if to say, Okay,
we're gonna be fine, We're gonna be good, We're gonna
get this done. He just has this way about him
(28:05):
and and and you're really missing that leadership on the ice,
on the bench, I think on the power play, which
has been abysmal in the last handful of games. Yeah,
they scored one last night, and you know what, after
they've got power play goals in two in a row,
after going ninth straight without a power play goal. So
there is a silver lining there, but you're missing that piece,
(28:28):
that net front piece, and I think this overall, you're
missing a guy who, in addition to the Jordan Eberles
and the Matty Veneers and the Jarry McCants, you're missing
some of that passion on the bench that that the
younger guys can feed off of, and the energy that
guys can feed off of. You're really missing that with
him out of the lineup.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Well, Kings tomorrow not exactly an easy team. We got
about thirty seconds left to try to end this skid against.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Yeah, they've been up in down the last few weeks,
but I mean they're still third place in the division.
They are on their mother's trip this week as well,
so they're getting an extra bolt of jolts of energy.
They just won in Vancouver last night for nothing. I
mean that was a pretty u pretty wild game for them.
(29:19):
So this is the team that the cracket are gonna
have to they have to win. I mean, this is
where where I don't like to say this is a
must win game. I don't like to say that before
the the All Star break, you know, in February.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
But this is a must win game right now.
Speaker 9 (29:36):
You're only four points out of or three points rather
out of a playoff spot. So you win tomorrow, you're
back in the thick of this race and the saving
grace for Seattle. All of these teams are so bunched up.
I think first place in the in the division and
sixth place or seventh place in the division are only
separated by five points. So it's it's not it's not
(29:59):
hard right now, says get back in the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
But tomorrow, I.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
Mean, this is about as close to a must win
game as you're gonna get.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
All right, man, thank you, great stuff. As always, We'll
be listening tomorrow and we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
All right, guys, take care see at.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
The phenomenal ever fits you voice of your Seattle Crack
and joining us right here on chucking back. It is
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Speaker 4 (30:33):
By the way, was not Banana Rama. I was way off.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
It was the Adventures of Stevie V.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I would have never.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Guessed that that sounds like a movie. Yeah, but the
but the lyrics were money talks, money talks, dirty cash.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I want you, dirty cash, I need you. Oh oh all.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, right, yeah exactly, So I screwed that up royally
all right? Coming up next, how old is too old
to play quarterback in the National Football League? Get ready, folks,
we might face Philip Rivers this weekend. Sports Radio ninety
three point three KJRFM. Yeah, and so he invited him
on because he wanted to sing a song with him,
(31:12):
so that he dressed like young Neil Young, and then
old Neil Young came out and sang with him. It
was phenomenal. I bet like the greatest thing Jimmy Folman
has ever done on television. It was spectacular. Google it, yeah, yeah,
you need to check it out.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Very good stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Chuck buck Ashley with you here. Rick new Eyes is
going to join us at nine o'clock. So Koog's fans
be listening up because I'm gonna ask him if he's
gonna be the next head coach of the Washington State
guard I can't wait. Yeah, I can't wait here his response.
If he doesn't answer our call, you know that something's up. Yeah, yeah,
I haven't heard from him. Yeah, So hopefully I don't
think he's gonna He wouldn't duck out on us. We'll see,
(31:51):
we shall could go missing, we shall see. But the
other big story that we're dealing with today, and frankly
haven't talked enough about up Rivers might be coming out
of retirement. I don't think there's any chance that he'll
be coming out of retirement to play this Sunday. That
seems impossible. But then again, just Philip Rivers coming out
of retirement seems impossible. And yet he is visiting with
(32:15):
the Indianapolis Colts. They do need quarterback depth. You can't
trade for anybody. That deadline has passed, and so they
have asked former Colt forty four years old, five years
removed from playing in the National Football League. He's on
the damn Hall of Fame ballot this year. He might
get into the Hall of Fame if not for him
playing for the Colts this Sunday and he might be
(32:38):
on his way back to the National Football League. It
is insane as a former athlete, I mean, how long
do you think you could have been away from the
game and then thought to yourself, okay, I think I
still can recapture it.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Ten minutes, not very long. I mean really it was
probably five years out of the question. Yeah, well, I
mean to play quarterback. Possibly not. I mean, okay, so
arm obviously is important. He was never mobile to begin with,
right as far as his legs go.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
And his delivery always looked like an old man throwing
his newspaper right on the shot put in just like that.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
I think, you know, he's been coaching his like high
school a high school team the last like five years,
you know, back you know, still making that money. Since
he has ten kids and now grandkids along with it,
I wouldn't be surprised if he still is throwing. But
he's not doing the stuff that it takes to physically
be able to withstand the abuse that even though they
(33:38):
protect quarterbacks, I mean, you're gonna get hit.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
And I watched Justin Herbert play last night and he
hardly got hit or yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Right, he wishes he didn't get hit. He played out
there with a broken hand, and yet there was I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yet he was inviting contact every play, just keep on,
every quarterback keepers, and he wanted to win.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
It was a gutty performance. And yet to me, it's
there's something about I mean, you get over forty. One
of the most blatant things that you notice is how
much longer it takes to heal. And you know, I
mean just everything that you that gets hurt, it just
hurts longer than it usually does. Now, I mean, this
is an opportunity. I think that that he's a competitor
(34:18):
that doesn't go away ever, right, the idea of I
want to go out and compete, and the fact that
he never got to play in a Super Bowl, I
think is why he's always kept the option open. You know,
in his first couple of years out of retirement, he
was still entertaining the idea.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I think he was still in if I remember correctly,
I think he threw it out there again at the
beginning of this year he said, if anybody wants to
give me a shot, I think I can still play.
I think he's kept that ball in the air ever
since he retired. Yeah, and this makes you beg the
question why'd you retire?
Speaker 8 (34:46):
Then?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
I guess just you don't want to put in the
time to do it every single day or every offseason.
And yet if you don't do it, then the chances
of something bad happening injury wise, I think go up expan.
And yet if he's entertaining it, then I imagine he's
capable of doing the main things that quarterback needs to do. Right,
(35:08):
I mean, now, how much faster the game would go?
That's where in baseball? Okay, when I was three or
four years out of playing, could I have still swung about?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Could I have seen it as well and reacted as quickly,
especially when relatively I was going backwards without having the reps? No,
it would have been. I mean two years out, I
wouldn't have been. It would have taken a long time
to get back to where you would have needed to
be if if my body was capable of doing it
at all.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
But to me, there seems like no chance. And yet
I do want to see it.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Oh yeah, I'm rooting for it.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yeah, yeah, I want.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
I think the mental side of it would be fine,
you know, especially since he's still coaching Yeah, you want
to see it this Sunday.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
No, I'm not saying it for a perspective. I want
to by the story becomes even better if it's like
he plays immediately. No, I'm with you, and it's already
a phenomenal story even if it never comes to Ruster.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Yeah, it'd be interesting to see. I mean, I want
I would like to see it. I would like to
see a guy come back at forty four and possibly
do enough to help a team win, because that team's
it was a really good team for the first part
of the year. They've been scuffling as of late, so
we'll see if he can rebound, all
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Right, Rick new Isilneck Sports Radio ninety three point three
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
Dateline NBC
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