April 24, 2025 • 38 mins
Hugh Millen & Mike Holmgren are live alongside Softy and Fain as the fellas prepare for the 2025 NFL Draft where the Seattle Seahawks are picking 18th overall. The guys discuss the comments made by Seahawks GM John Schneider reagrding the analysis of the struggles of drafting offensive lineman. The guys also play back audio of Mike Holmgren once upon a time as a head coach, and much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the NFL Draft, coming to you live from
the Virginia Mason Athletics Center. This is the twenty twenty
five NFL Draft and brought to you by Coors Light,
by R and R Foundation specialist but Queen Anne Beerho
and by Fox thirteen. Now are all hands on deck
coverage with coach Holmgrin and Hugh Millan.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Here's Safti and Dick.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Alright, boys or girls, here we go the day that
everybody's been waiting for, the day where Mike Holmgren, Dick Fane,
Hugh Millin, Dave Softye Maller get to come together as
a fearsome forceom oh wow. It really is a shame
that we only do this like twice a year. By
the way it is, I don't get it. Is it
a you thing? Is it a me thing? Is it
a huge problem? You have a problem with Dicklan?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What's the issue here?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
You guys? I love listening to the three of you.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Okay, that's line number one. Okay, just get these out
of the way now. Well, it's great to see everybody.
We are fired up at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center
for the NFL Draft, which starts in two hours with
the Tennessee Titans on the clock, and god, it feels
like we've been waiting for this for one hundred years.
By the way, man sitting here waiting around Ian's exasperated
breaking down prospects, tired of watching tape, tired of talking
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about these guys, tired of talking about trades that may
or may not happen. And that really is kind of
one of the unique things, guys about what we're dealing
with right now, is that we are two hours away
from the draft starting and every team still has their
original first round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Now we're certain, I think we all agree.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
That after five there's gonna be some movement and there
will be some trades made in the first round. But
just the fact that we're sitting here, you with two
hours to go and we haven't had one trade yet,
does that mean that nobody wants to trade in or
does that mean nobody wants to trade out?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
I still think there'll be a trade in the top five. Yeah,
maybe not top two or three. But Mike, it seems
like an interesting year because there's three guys at the top,
you know, the quarterback obviously, and cam Ward has has
a unique quality because he's a quarterback. But with Travis
Henry and with Abdua Carter, it's it's like they're the
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type of guys that only come around in some instance
as well. You know, in the case a Hunter, a
guy like him never comes around. But Abduk Carter is
like a once every three year guy to two three
year guy.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And but a lot of the other ones.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
You know, the best tackle seems like it would have
been the sixth or seventh best tackle in years past.
The best receiver the receiver classes, you have to go
back to twenty eighteen nineteen to have that then of
a receiving group in the first round. In a lot
of ways, it's a pretty thin first round. So to
Dave's point about you know the how how do you
think that's impacting the lack of movement.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I think it is. Although I would say this, I
would be willing to bet the savings I have now
since the stock market went down, Okay, the ten dollars
I have, you still got something. I would bet that
there will be movement. Ya that I've heard about this draft,
and I remember Ron Wolfe telling me this and who
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I really respected any he really knew his stuff, did
it for a long time? That okay, one through something.
Those are the guys that really qualify as as slam
Dunk's boom.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
How many years had a typical year?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Well, you know, I used to ask him, we only
have in the first round. We only have.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Twelve guys up there, Yeah, with first round grades.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
With first round grades. Right, but he goes one of
them will be there, and the math part of it
kind of always blew my mind. But then he would say, okay,
John would say it I talked to him yesterday from
ten to forty or from some number that group in
there it you know, go on what you need more
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than falling in love with that guy?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well, Zerline was on with us well a couple weeks
ago dick and said he's only got twenty two first
round grades on guys in this draft. That if cam
Ward was in this draft, might or last year's draft,
he might be the sixth or seven best quarterback, might
even be a second round draft well last year.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
The good news for these players, coach is that it's
kind of a bust proof draft because you really only
have two guys that people see as potential superstars. Maybe
if you wanted to add Ashton genty as a third,
maybe Tyler Warren is a fourth. But we're gonna get
Hall of Fame. You get Hall of Fame players from
every draft. And what's fascinating about this draft is a
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lot of folks see picks seven, eight, all the way
through twenty five being about the same. So which three
or four of those guys between seven and twenty five
are gonna become multiple time All Pros? Because it will happen,
and right now we're not looking at we got to
pick that one coach, we gotta find that one of
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three between seven and twenty eight they are gonna come multiple.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Time All Pros.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
But you know, every team sets it up and I
think I think they might have a little different angle
on it. But basically, you go into every draft I
think you do, and you say, okay, you have a column,
these are our needs, these are the needs we have
by position. Then there's another column you have the players
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in that position, the players in this position, the players,
and then you say, okay, out of the numbers, managed
can we get there at eighteen? Can can we get
one of the ones? And a lot of times you
can't maybe get the one to fill the need. So
what do you do, right? You take the best place.
You hear it all the time. You take the best
players on the board. Sure you know.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Well, we had a little bit of a debate on
the mock yesterday. I hope you heard the mock draft,
by the way, very informative. Okay, So the guy that
had the Raiders took Tyler Warren from Penn State, and
Millon's all over and busting his chop. Stop dipping your
wings and stupid sauce man, come on, because they already
got rock Bowers down there. And my point to him
was that, hey, I get that you got Brock powers,
but if you're Pete Carroll or John Spytech, that's the
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new GM down there, right, And you think this guy's
going to be trapped mus Kelsey and you're convinced of it,
does it matter what you have today on your roster?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
No? No, I mean you. That's the thing. If you
and we won't know, no one knows for sure for
three years, right, maybe someone will come in and Joe
lights out as a rookie, but that doesn't happen all
that much, and so you know he come might come
in and contribute and things like that. But then you
really know what you have after a couple of years,
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and so you know that's you know, what do you need?
What makes our team better?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (06:31):
And if you have a chance to get a player
that makes your team better. The other factor is, and
I think I'm a big proponent, as you guys know,
of an offensive lineman. I think they need to, you know,
shore that up a little bit that if you get
a player and he comes in, is he going to
start for you? Can you plug him right in and
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he's going to play? And that's another thing you think about.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, in the case of the Raiders, this may happen.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
And I think a lot of listeners you know, right,
wrong or indifferent are going to be interested in the
Raiders for a while because of Pete Carroll right and
Gino Smith right. So let's just stay there on that
potential because I would think there's a good chance. Now
I think Ty Warren could go as high as four.
If you're looking and you're saying, well, wait a minute,
will Campbell, who most people are mocking to go to
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New England at four? But if he's judged to be, hey,
he's the best tackle in this year's draft, but he's
the fifth or sixth best tackle in other year's draft.
Let's get a dude that's like an elite player for
this year's draft, and Ty Warren may fit that bill
in some people's mind if he has a Gronkowski like profile.
So back to your Let's say you're the Raiders, not
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Pete Carroll. You just drafted brock Bowers with the thirteenth
pick in the first round last year, who was rookie
the year like sensational, had as good a rookie year
as you could possibly have. So now if you if
you're making the decisions at the Raiders, who pay can
six for a reason?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Right? You didn't?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
You got all kinds of needs everywhere. But here's this
guy that you see is Gronkowski, and you're probably saying, Man,
I'm gonna get in a lot of twelve personnel. I'm
gonna be like the Patriots back when they had Gronk
and Hernandez. Right, those were a fourth rounder and a
second rounder, not not to not a not a tow
top not two guys in the top half of the
first round. They were both drafted. They should have been
drafted higher.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
No doubt.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Obviously no doubt, but it seems to me, you know,
and that was with the Patriots when they were at
a super Bowl level and they're just refining the nuances
to get to the top, right, So would would you
take Ty Warren, knowing that you have brock Bauers.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
And and and uh and just say, well, I want
to be really good in twelve personnel.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Here is here is a thing that where the coach
or your system plays a part in this as well.
A tight end of that talent. I would take him
and and and just just play a bunch of because
figure it out. Because I have seen over the years
that guy is really can be really important for your offense.
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Now you see some teams the tight ends a blocker. Okay,
that's great, you know, but I never when guys are
telling me that in the meeting, well he's a great blocker,
I said, that's good. How is he as a past receiver?
I mean, I want him to block a little bit,
which he has to. He can't be you know, cast
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for milk toast in there. But he's if he's a
great pass receiver, that's what I wanted. Huh.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
The Colston Cleveland, the miss What about the Michigan guy.
Would you take him with the six pick because he's
a better receiver. If you're just talking receiver qualities, like
he's a he's probably in the receiving domain.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I mean, he's like a big wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I honestly, I would defer to you on that, because
that's the first time I've heard that name. No, if
he's a tight end, if I would take a tight end,
he qualifies in that. To Dick's point, there'll be guys
in there after ten or whatever that really find a
place in the league and are great, and we'll look
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at that. I hope I'm around to look at it
in five six years.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
You know, is there a position that you would have
a ceiling on how high in the first round you
would take that position? Now we've seen because of the
salary cap, we know how valued each position is in
the NFL, because the salary cap says this is their
franchise tag at all these different positions. How about in
the draft, would you say, eh, X is too high
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to take a guard, too high to take us safety,
a tied end. Is there any limit or would you
take any position in any point depending on the talent.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Well, you know, I'll go back and tell a little
bit of a story. Not on the draft so much.
Well with Steve Hutchinson and I talked to Steve. We've
talked to Steve today that the powers that be here's
a Hall of Fame guard. He's a guard. So we
can't pay him because he's a guard. That Oh oh.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Geez, wait to go, Dick. We haven't even taken our
first break yet.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Already told him I need to take I need to take.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Some would you like a cocktail?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
By the way, But I would say, and it varies
from team to team. I always rated, okay, certain position, quarterback,
left tackle, corner, Yeah, and then a pass rusher. Those
four yeah, if they're there, and I think they can
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be the starter and they're difference makers. I thought they
were not that you need all the level, you need,
all twenty two, you need all that kind of stuff.
With those four positions, I think time over time has
shown that they really are important.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Well, the franchise tag echoes that with one exception that
left one position out. That's now all of a sudden
way up there top of the franchise tag list other
than quarterback, and that's wide receive receiver. So is it
different now because the game's different now there are wide
receivers that much more valuable now than they were twenty
years ago.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I don't know. We always had great luck with drafting
wide receivers in the second and third round, right right,
we did. I mean, guys went on Darryl Jackson's Bobby Anger.
You know, these guys they played and they were good,
but they fit the system. They were you know, they
were a certain type of receiver, Travis Hunter as an example.
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I mean, you know, you don't see many athletes at
that ever, right right. So, and there might be a
few more guys than the draft you would know, but
you know, receivers. But it surprises me that receivers now
are are that. I was around Jerry Rice the whole time,
so yeah, but he was. He was really good for
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because he worked hard too well.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
The most glaring need, as you said, and as everybody
has said, is the interior of the offensive line. And
you were directly or indirectly involved with the drafting coaching
of the top three highest drafted interior offensive linemen in
this team's history. That Steve Hutchinson seventeenth in two thousand
and one, who's here today lost.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
A buttlo away.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
By the way, God, the guy looks like he weighs
about one hundred and ten pounds. He really, he looks
like he's won twenty five. He's the highest drafted guard
ever by the Seahawks at number seventeen and oh one.
You made that selection. Great pick by you, and then
you're coaching when you took Chris Spencer the center at
twenty six in two thousand and five, and then you
coach Pete Kendall obviously, who went twenty first in two
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thousand and eight when Dennis was here.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So, if the.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Seahawks do take a guard today, yeah, ninety eight. Sorry,
If the Seahawks do take a guard today, Hugh, it'll
be the second highest interior lineman they've ever drafted.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
If they stay at eighteen, they.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Might move back and get somebody else, But that's what
we're talking about. Potentially here making some actual kind of
history with me the second highest drafted interior offensive lineman
in frantic fifty years of Seahawks football. And we may
see the second highest tonight.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
And as Mike alluded to it, it's not as valuable
as the left tackle.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
But I think given worth they have.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
It almost feels like, in addition, like the primary concern obviously, hey,
is he a great player like you've got If you're
going to spend the eighteenth pick today on a guard,
you got to think the delta is going to be
really big between him and whoever whoever else are you
going to put in.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
The lineup right right?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, and and so in that regard, I just think
that you've got Gray's abel, and you've got you got
the kid from Alabama, Booker, Booker, and and and so.
I I think in addition to being great players on
the field, I think that and you would speak to
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this better than anybody, a tone setter, a guy that
in that room, Steve Hutchinson, like you say, wait a minute,
if we get him, he's we're not just gonna get
a great player, but there's gonna be a kind of
a ripple effect on the rest of the room. His
toughness or what he he brings is going to make
everybody else in the room a little bit better. Is
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there a component to that that? Undoubtedly it's discussed, but
but give us some nuance and some detail about how
that is discussed. Like, Hey, we're getting a tough dude
that wants to finish and and this is exactly what
we want in our offensive line.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean exactly. That gets talked about a lot here.
You know, you're you're analyzing all the players and physically
what can they do? Then the one thing that you're
never quite sure of, but you you try and get
a handle on it when you're interviewing them, talking to
people that know them, things like that is what makes
him tick? Who is he not none as a football player?
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How does he do stuff? And how did he How
did he reflect on his teammates wherever he came from?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Give an example? You say, how does he do stuff?
What does that mean?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
How is he in the locker room? Is he a leader?
Does he is he disciplined?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Does he work hard? You know? Things that that they're
kind of off the charts you don't get from watching
film necessarily, but you want to know those things. I
was blessed to have an offensive line here with Walter
and Steve and Chris Gray and Sean Lockler. But you know, yeah,
you know, but you know what tobec physics as an
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athletically and size wise was wasn't compared to the other guys.
But he made it all work.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
He was the guy because why.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Well because of his leadership. They listened to him and
he helped them, and he uh, he was a friend,
you know. I mean, there's all sorts of things that
go in just in the locker room.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Yeah, you know, how hard is it to tune out
the outside noise? Because John Schneider is facing more heat
this year going to this draft than he has as
an entire career, and it focuses on the interior of
the offensive line and his failures to and he hears
it from everybody. He even said he used the lazy
narrative quote in the press conference a couple of days ago,
and we're like, whoo, John's bristling a little bit for
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the first time.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Ever.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
How hard how easy is it to just tune that
out when you're in the draft board and just focus
on the board and stick to your board, regardless of
whether it says O G or not, whether you're drafting.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
You know, to say that that's not on his mind,
that that's not true. I mean, it was on my
mind that people make decisions for the team. However, you
got to kind of block that out. You have to
kind of block that out and make decisions based on
what you've always made decisions on, and then hopefully, hopefully
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it works. He knows. I had a nice talk with
him yesterday and we were in the draft room, and
he knows he hears that stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Does he hear us say? What's that stuff that you're
talking about? The line? I mean, he referenced that, like
Dick said, I mean, he hears all that.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
But then all of a sudden, but then he started
talking about how other things and some things that he
didn't want me to talk about on the main right.
But he so, yes, he hears that, he hears that,
But I am confident that that won't be the deciding factor.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Right well, to pick all that stuff that he couldn't
tell you, that you couldn't share on the radio.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
We'll take a break.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
You can tell us off the air, Okay, we'll come
back and kind of reset everything. The Seahawks have ten
picks in this draft, five in the top ninety two,
and as of right now, we're on the clock at
number eighteen. There's ten minutes between picks max. Obviously, so
if everything goes as long as possible, you're talking about
you know.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Eight thirty or so ish. The Hawks maybe closer.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
To nine, but we always know that moves a little
bit faster, so we may not even be on the air.
Dick and I'll you'll be out of here five would you?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Would you phone me when they make your pick?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Wait, you'll be in bed by seven o'clock, So as
soon as the Seahawks are on the clock, I'll come
over and knock on your door. But there's a lot
of rumors you want to get to the rumor mill
about the draft and teams trying to move up and
move down who they're going for. We're starting to see
some kind of churning guys at the rumor mill, at
least on social media from people that cover the NFL.
We'll tell you what the Hawks are dealing with. We'll
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tell you what the draft board looks like. All from
the Virginia Mason Athletics Center, Softy, Mike Homegren, Humil and
Dick Fane from the vMac. Next on ninety three three KJRFM,
Welcome to the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
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Speaker 2 (19:37):
Boys and girls.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Back here at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center, second floor
Defensive Team Meeting Room is where we are at right now.
We are hanging out all night long for the Round
one of the NFL Draft. Softy Humil and Mike Holmgren
Dick Fane with you all night long. Ian Fernez will
be back at seven o'clock after he takes a nap
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by the way.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Between now and five, which he deserves.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Ten picks overall, five in the top ninety two for
the Seahawks. Seahawks on the clock right now at number
eighteen in the first round, and they have fifty and
fifty two in the second round. That's the pick fifty two, Mike,
that they got from the Steelers for DK Metcalf and
their own picket eighty two and the third the ninety
second pick overall, that's a third rounder. You and I
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were talking yesterday about this. That pick has been passed
around like a coin man. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That is the.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Pick that originally was a lion pick went to the
Jets in a pickswap, then it went to the Raiders
for Devonte Adams, and then it came to the Seahawks
for Gino Smith, and now it belongs to them at
ninety two. Then there's a forty five pick gap right there.
Can't imagine John sitting around waiting for forty five picks
right tomorrow. And then a comp picket number one thirty
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seven in the fourth compit one seventy two in the
fifth compit won seventy five in the fifth a seventh
rounder at two twenty three that they got from the
Steelers again for dk Metcalf from the wrap it up
with their own pick at number.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Two thirty four.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
So I want to go back and play this clip
real quick from John Schneider. Could we referenced it there
in the last segment and again? The first round is
set to begin at five o'clock with the Titans now
on the clock. All kinds of rumors about the Bearers
trying to move up to get asked in Jenny Denver and.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
The Texans want to move up.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
There's some buzz now about the Jaguars maybe doing something
big with that number five pick.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So we'll get to all that in a minute.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
But John Schneider was asked just a couple of days ago,
right about the criticism from people that like to criticize
and ridicule about the talent level of his offensive line.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Here's what John said.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
I think it's an area of need.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
Absolutely, I think We've been very well documented throughout the spring.
It's also a little bit of a lazy narrative because
every team is looking for offensive lineman. We're trying to
create guys every single year. It's just happened. It's not
anything that any being football is happy about, to be
honest with you, It's an area that hasn't been developed
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as well as the other side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Okay, so the second part there about everybody frustrated, he's
exactly right because I remember Tom Cable when he was
here with bitch and moan about these big twelve offensive
linemen that play in these crazy air raids and spread
offenses and they can't block. In the NFL, they're not
as well coached today as they were maybe fifteen twenty
years ago. But there are teams that are better though
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than what the Seahawks have been putting out there on tape,
on paper, and on the field, and they're one of
the poorer units from year to year. So what do
you make of what John just said there, because he's
almost saying, Hey, this is not just an US problem,
This isn't everybody problem.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Yeah, you can tell you the frustrations there, right, but
you also recognize the need. And so I think that
you look at the Seahawks now, they've had three offenseives,
They've had a handful of offensive line coaches.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
For yeah, four and seven years.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Wow, okay, so the continuity you know, listen, I'm old.
So going back to the forty nine ers, that offensive
line with the coach Bob mccatrick one coach, those guys,
and you remember just they played together. Those guys played
together for I don't know, ten years, you know, I mean,
so it's just different. You know, the idea that to
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your point that the college game, the offensive college game is,
you know, is throwing the ball a lot more, is
spreading things out. So the offensive line people coming out
is different now than it used to be. To John's credit,
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So if you're going to run a certain style of offense,
I go back to that, what do we want to do.
What do we want to do? And how does that
player fit into what we want to do.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, so, Mike, I think.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
On this particular topic, I think John is missing a
chain in his logic link and let me explain. I
think that we can stipulate this fact right here that
it's let's just say that it's much harder than it
ever was, right for that the schemes, what have you,
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and that everybody's trying. And every every all thirty two
gms sit around, you know, they have a convention every
year and they go, isn't it hard as hell to
evaluate offensive lineman? And they could all agree, and let's
let's stipulate that they're right in that regard. But you're
still going to have to play with five offensive linemen
on every single play of the season, and you're gonna
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be judged your offensive line. You're going to be judged
on how you are compared to the other thirty one
teams at the offensive line position. Sure, now you can
be great in all the rest of the position, but
if we're talking offense of line, your eyes tell you
when you watch the tape, the numbers, whether it's Pro
Football focus over the last fifteen years. The Seattle Seahawks
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have the lowest rating average rating over fifteen years. On
the offensive line, they're dead last DFL thirty two. Over
the last four years, they're at thirty first place, better
than only the Giants, who are the worst. In the
last four years. The ESPN, the pass rush win rates,
they're twenty sixth in the league. So all of these metrics. Yes,
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it's very difficult, and let's just say it's five times
harder than it was ten or twenty years ago. But
you still have to figure out the process. You got
to figure it out, and you got to put five
dudes up there, and you got a run block and
you got a pass block. So that's where I think
he's missing link in his logic because you his answer
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for why it's a lazy narrative. It begs the question no, no, no, no, no,
you're graded on the curve and you're not grading now
grading O.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Well, I know you're and I would say you're preaching
to the choir because I couldn't agree with you more.
I think you get thrown, you get in a press conference,
or you get in the pre draft thing. After what's
happened with the offensive line, like you said, those numbers
you're gonna get you know, that's the job of the
people asking the questions. You're going to get hit pretty hard.
(26:22):
And so instead of saying, yeah, we we didn't do
as well as we were going to get better or whatever,
he chose to say that, but I agree with you.
I couldn't agree with you more. So let's try and
fix it. So this draft is hugely important that way.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
He would go on to say later in that cut,
he said, you know, kids today, they'd rather get around
the end and rack up sacks than they.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Would be blocking for quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
And I'm like.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Everybody deals with that.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Everybody deals and then and not every not every kid
out of high school body type says you can be
an edge rusher. I mean, there's just some kids in
high school that are six five three ten.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
You know, they're just gonna be tackles. They're not gonna sew.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
It almost seemed like he let his frustration lead him
down this narrative.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That he takes well.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
But Mike, when he said lazy narrative, I mean I
kind of said, well, I'm in the group that you're
calling lazy narrative, right, because I'm in the group. Did
you take it personally, by the way, No, not personally,
because I listen. I think I'll just say this just
one man's opinion. John Snyder as a person is very likely.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I'm a Seahawk fan before he ever got here, and
I will be a Seahawks fan after he's gone. But
I like John Snyder he as a guy. I really
want him to have success in addition to sex right,
and he had a monumental amount of success in the
first half of his SEAOK tenure. He's fifteen seasons into this.
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The first seven seasons they want the Seawks won nine
playoff games, but the last eight seasons they've won one.
So his success was front loaded if you look at
a fifteen year cap tenure here as GM And of
course Carroll was involved in that. But Mike, I would say, look,
I didn't take it personal. I just think John is
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not thinking the right way. If he's thinking that way,
oh woe is us. It's really hard to find and
coach offensive lineman. No, dude, you got to roll up
your sleeves and you got to do better. You got
to somehout change what you're doing. Right, You just like
forget the past, but right like, just say forget it.
We from this day forward, we can be better on
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the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Did you ever get to a point because clearly, I mean,
by John Schneider's standards, what we heard from him this week,
we don't often hear that kind of stuff from him, Right,
did you ever get to a point where you were like,
you know what, you don't know what the hell you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I've hacked it. Stop telling me how to do my job.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
As I absolutely did that. Now this has nothing to
do with today's draft. Okay, yeah, okay. Now I'm the
president of the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Oh god, yeah, and I'm up there and.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
The press back there. We're trying to build a team.
We're fixing some stuff, but it's a slow process and
it's but we're getting better. And then they're just ruthless.
They're just killing everybody. So I'd had it. I had it,
and I and I and I didn't have the Gary
Wright to talk to me before the press conference. Yeah,
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to calm me down, and this is what you're gonna get, asked.
I yell at Gary, and they'd calm me down. Then
I could go do it. No, I go in there
and they start in with the questions what about this?
So I was good for the bout. I was good
for about the first ten minutes. Then all of a sudden,
a guy who I didn't particularly like, although that should
enter into it, Tony he asked me. He asked me, well,
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what are you gonna do about it? And I said,
Chris Ball, I'm not the coach anymore, right, president, right,
and I have to deal with the mayor and all
these other things. But I'll tell you what, when we
go to the playoffs, don't come to me for tickets
because you're gonna not even get in the stadium.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
With that. We're gonna break. There's a lot of rumors
flying around.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
We're gonna sift through how many of them coach thinks
are true or false. Next on ninety three to three KJRFM.
I've always been goes back here at the Virginia Mason
Athletics Center. We are counting down the minutes now, just
about an hour and fifteen away from Round one of
the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. Big thanks to the
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Fox thirteen, all of our sponsors here for getting the
shin dig together. Softy Dick, Hugh Millen and Mike Holmgrin.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Don't come to me for extra tickets for a playoff
game is with.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Us on the radio show. Everything's on the internet, Mike.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I'm just telling you right now, there's nothing that you've
done even before the internet.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
It's on the internet.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I've gone. I've told you many times. I've grown up
a lot. Yeah, it was only a couple of years ago.
That was good.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, it was about ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Well, there's a lot of rumors flying around, guys, multiple
reports now Russini mcshae saying the Bears are trying to
move up from ten to four to potentially get there
seeing me move up to get Ashton Jenny, We'll see
how far they have to go from number ten Denver.
The Texans apparently reportedly want to move up. There's all
this smoke about the Jaguars doing something with that number
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five pick now in the NFL draft. Maybe the Brown's
moving out of that number two pick. Maybe Jacksonville moving
up to two to get Travis Hunter. So how much
of this stuff do you buy and how much how
much fibbing's going on?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
You think, well, there's a lot of yeah, there's a
lot of fibbing going on. But what happens, you know,
you go in the draft room, they're telephones in front
of everybody. So you have telephones and you've you have phoned,
contacted or had your guys contact every team, every team. Yeah,
if you interested in some phonus whether you are interested
or not, phonus. And so it's like it's like you
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see Wall Street when they're all running around and doing stuff.
That's what happens in the room. Sometimes phones are ringing, ringing.
It's kind of fun, it's kind of but you have
to then then you have to stay focused with your plan.
All of a sudden you say, well, they'll trade you
what and you want. Then you go out, okay, I'll
take it, and then screws up everything.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Everybody blatantly lie to you, and you can do with
the time they were lying. Oh oh yeah, Ever, call
one of your buddies after the draft and say, why'd
you lie to me?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah? Yeah, I said my family, Andy Reid, John Grude,
and Mary Ucci. They lied. The only guys that were
honest were Bill Walsh and Jerry Jones. Really yeah, They
phoned me and they go, we want to trade up,
and I say I had the seventh pick and they
wanted to get to the sixth. They wanted to get
the pick before me. I said, I can't do it
because you might might be the guy I want what
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I don't expect the guy to tell me. But then
all of a sudden, he goes. Jerry goes, well, let
me give you the size of the guy out. I
won't give you the name, but i'll give you the size.
So he gave me the size. They said, Okay, we'll
do it.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
You know, what are the benefits and drawbacks of trading
on draft day versus trading before draft day? Is there
one that you preferred?
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Well, if you trade, make the trade before draft day,
it's things are a little more disciplined than defined for
you on draft day. But that doesn't happen. It didn't
happen to me. A lot the action took place actually
on draft day.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Well, we're we're sitting here here an hour and eleven
and we haven't had one trade yet. And my gut
not that this is based on anything. It kind of
feels like this is setting up to be a Nutso.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
First trown before.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
The story is no way we're going to go through
this thing with trades always going to be fast and furious.
And then the other thing that John Schneider said the
other day, Hugh, is that everybody uses a different chart, right, Like,
we've gone from the Jimmy Johnson chart to the Spielberg
Seinfeld whatever the hell that's called. Whatever that Larry Fitzgerald
chart you're talking about. Rich Hill's got a chart. The
former baseball pitcher Barony's got a chart. I don't know
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what chart to use because I'm saying, you're trying to
figure out, Okay, when there's trades, we want to be
able to tell people, here's what they should get back
in return, here's what they gave up, here's what they
should be getting back.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I don't even know what the hell to look at.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
They're pretty close. I mean, I've seen the Rich Hill,
I've seen the Harvard chart. There's little Jimmy Johnson chart.
I don't know of this show, which chart should we
be using here? I would just go with the Fitzgerald
Spielberger chart. Got okay, So Mike, picking up on what
you were saying all these years that you were in
the draft room.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
There must be a story where.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
You something was gonna happen that that you were really
excited about, like and and then it didn't come together.
There's gotta be some just anguished story that you have
about being in the draft room. Wanted a guy, you
wanted a trade, yet just something that where you go
home to Kathy and you just you can't believe in
and they're still bothering you weeks, months, years later. What
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did something come to mind in that regard like your
biggest draft day er type of situation.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yeah, I did, and and it happened some some way
on you more because you blame yourself for not being prepared. Okay,
But then I learned over the course of the time
it never never do it over one player. You can't
never do what never never maneuver thinking you're gonna get
this player, have another player, have two players. Okay, Okay,
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so if you get hit, you know your world isn't crushed. Okay,
how did you learn that?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Was?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Well, we were we were in Seattle actually, and uh
I wanted we had you know, we have guys on
one side with the board telling me the next team,
the Giants are gonna they need this, they're gonna pick this, this, this,
We're pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Remember the players that that you want to know.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yeah, the players I wanted. I wanted the tight end
that eventually went to New England. I think his name
is Graham. I think it was a Graham. I forget exactly,
but you we can look it up. It was the
same year we drafted Jeremy Stevens, so we had the
tight end. I said, we need this tight end. He's
really a good pass receiver. He played with him for
a long time. And then Daniel you know what, Dick,
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I think it was anyway, he so he's there and everything,
all the all the details and all the study told
me he was going to be there because the teams,
the teams there in front of us working, they didn't
need a tight end. They didn't want a tight end.
They weren't going to take a tight end. Okay, it's
getting the team in front of us. You're on the clock,
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blah blah. New England trades with them right in front
of us and takes the guy I wanted. I got
out of my chair. I got out of my chair.
I know this would surprise you, but the guys that
were telling me how it's gonna work. Yeah, they got
an ear full in the draft.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
They did because you had the twentieth pick.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
You had the pick right in front, as you're talking about,
made the move of the packers thinking the guy's going
to be there, and then bang the next pick, he's
off the board.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
He's off the board. So I think, right then, then
we picked I think we picked Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
You did, you traded down twenty eight, traded down right,
But they had the twentieth pick, That's what he's saying.
They had the pick in front, and they gave it
up thinking he would still be there in twenty eight.
W No, he went with the very next freaking like
it would have been different if maybe they would have
waited four or five picks.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
But it was the very next one, very next one.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
And I think Bill, you know, I remember talking to
Bill about that, and he, you know, everyone's while he's
he's grouchy, but he but he gives you that little
smile like I got you on that.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Hey, Mike, I bet if we look at the the record,
I bet you went in the press conference and said,
Jeremy's exactly who we wanted.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
You never admit that you never admit, well, you had
el Rey. Yeah, it was a Hall of Famer that win.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I'm looking about tickets now we're testing now when my
whole life is.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Out there, I'm looking at the board. I mean Ed
Reid went four picks later. You could have had Ed
Reid playing for you, but you went to twenty eight.
He went to twenty four.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
But I wasn't. Jeremy played well for.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Us, Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Except for that one game.
We're gonna break quarterbacks. We haven't gotten to quarterbacks yet. Right,
This could be one of the fewest drafted quarterback drafts,
at least in the first round, of all time. There's
only been I believe one, two, three, four five different
drafts where there's only been one quarterback taken in the
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first round.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
And we could see that today.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
And there's already rumors about Sandwer Sanders maybe falling out
of the first round entirely. You've watched film, Mike on
these guys, Millon's watch tape on these guys. We'll talk
about who's available the quarterback situation next on ninety three
three kJ arfm
Welcome to the NFL Draft, coming to you live from
the Virginia Mason Athletics Center. This is the twenty twenty
five NFL Draft and brought to you by Coors Light,
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and by Fox thirteen. Now are all hands on deck
coverage with coach Holmgrin and Hugh Millan.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Here's Safti and Dick.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Alright, boys or girls, here we go the day that
everybody's been waiting for, the day where Mike Holmgren, Dick Fane,
Hugh Millin, Dave Softye Maller get to come together as
a fearsome forceom oh wow. It really is a shame
that we only do this like twice a year. By
the way it is, I don't get it. Is it
a you thing? Is it a me thing? Is it
a huge problem? You have a problem with Dicklan?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What's the issue here?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
You guys? I love listening to the three of you.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Okay, that's line number one. Okay, just get these out
of the way now. Well, it's great to see everybody.
We are fired up at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center
for the NFL Draft, which starts in two hours with
the Tennessee Titans on the clock, and god, it feels
like we've been waiting for this for one hundred years.
By the way, man sitting here waiting around Ian's exasperated
breaking down prospects, tired of watching tape, tired of talking
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about these guys, tired of talking about trades that may
or may not happen. And that really is kind of
one of the unique things, guys about what we're dealing
with right now, is that we are two hours away
from the draft starting and every team still has their
original first round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Now we're certain, I think we all agree.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
That after five there's gonna be some movement and there
will be some trades made in the first round. But
just the fact that we're sitting here, you with two
hours to go and we haven't had one trade yet,
does that mean that nobody wants to trade in or
does that mean nobody wants to trade out?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
I still think there'll be a trade in the top five. Yeah,
maybe not top two or three. But Mike, it seems
like an interesting year because there's three guys at the top,
you know, the quarterback obviously, and cam Ward has has
a unique quality because he's a quarterback. But with Travis
Henry and with Abdua Carter, it's it's like they're the
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type of guys that only come around in some instance
as well. You know, in the case a Hunter, a
guy like him never comes around. But Abduk Carter is
like a once every three year guy to two three
year guy.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And but a lot of the other ones.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
You know, the best tackle seems like it would have
been the sixth or seventh best tackle in years past.
The best receiver the receiver classes, you have to go
back to twenty eighteen nineteen to have that then of
a receiving group in the first round. In a lot
of ways, it's a pretty thin first round. So to
Dave's point about you know the how how do you
think that's impacting the lack of movement.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I think it is. Although I would say this, I
would be willing to bet the savings I have now
since the stock market went down, Okay, the ten dollars
I have, you still got something. I would bet that
there will be movement. Ya that I've heard about this draft,
and I remember Ron Wolfe telling me this and who
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I really respected any he really knew his stuff, did
it for a long time? That okay, one through something.
Those are the guys that really qualify as as slam
Dunk's boom.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
How many years had a typical year?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Well, you know, I used to ask him, we only
have in the first round. We only have.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Twelve guys up there, Yeah, with first round grades.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
With first round grades. Right, but he goes one of
them will be there, and the math part of it
kind of always blew my mind. But then he would say, okay,
John would say it I talked to him yesterday from
ten to forty or from some number that group in
there it you know, go on what you need more
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than falling in love with that guy?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well, Zerline was on with us well a couple weeks
ago dick and said he's only got twenty two first
round grades on guys in this draft. That if cam
Ward was in this draft, might or last year's draft,
he might be the sixth or seven best quarterback, might
even be a second round draft well last year.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
The good news for these players, coach is that it's
kind of a bust proof draft because you really only
have two guys that people see as potential superstars. Maybe
if you wanted to add Ashton genty as a third,
maybe Tyler Warren is a fourth. But we're gonna get
Hall of Fame. You get Hall of Fame players from
every draft. And what's fascinating about this draft is a
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lot of folks see picks seven, eight, all the way
through twenty five being about the same. So which three
or four of those guys between seven and twenty five
are gonna become multiple time All Pros? Because it will happen,
and right now we're not looking at we got to
pick that one coach, we gotta find that one of
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three between seven and twenty eight they are gonna come multiple.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Time All Pros.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
But you know, every team sets it up and I
think I think they might have a little different angle
on it. But basically, you go into every draft I
think you do, and you say, okay, you have a column,
these are our needs, these are the needs we have
by position. Then there's another column you have the players
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in that position, the players in this position, the players,
and then you say, okay, out of the numbers, managed
can we get there at eighteen? Can can we get
one of the ones? And a lot of times you
can't maybe get the one to fill the need. So
what do you do, right? You take the best place.
You hear it all the time. You take the best
players on the board. Sure you know.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Well, we had a little bit of a debate on
the mock yesterday. I hope you heard the mock draft,
by the way, very informative. Okay, So the guy that
had the Raiders took Tyler Warren from Penn State, and
Millon's all over and busting his chop. Stop dipping your
wings and stupid sauce man, come on, because they already
got rock Bowers down there. And my point to him
was that, hey, I get that you got Brock powers,
but if you're Pete Carroll or John Spytech, that's the
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new GM down there, right, And you think this guy's
going to be trapped mus Kelsey and you're convinced of it,
does it matter what you have today on your roster?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
No? No, I mean you. That's the thing. If you
and we won't know, no one knows for sure for
three years, right, maybe someone will come in and Joe
lights out as a rookie, but that doesn't happen all
that much, and so you know he come might come
in and contribute and things like that. But then you
really know what you have after a couple of years,
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and so you know that's you know, what do you need?
What makes our team better?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (06:31):
And if you have a chance to get a player
that makes your team better. The other factor is, and
I think I'm a big proponent, as you guys know,
of an offensive lineman. I think they need to, you know,
shore that up a little bit that if you get
a player and he comes in, is he going to
start for you? Can you plug him right in and
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he's going to play? And that's another thing you think about.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, in the case of the Raiders, this may happen.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
And I think a lot of listeners you know, right,
wrong or indifferent are going to be interested in the
Raiders for a while because of Pete Carroll right and
Gino Smith right. So let's just stay there on that
potential because I would think there's a good chance. Now
I think Ty Warren could go as high as four.
If you're looking and you're saying, well, wait a minute,
will Campbell, who most people are mocking to go to
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New England at four? But if he's judged to be, hey,
he's the best tackle in this year's draft, but he's
the fifth or sixth best tackle in other year's draft.
Let's get a dude that's like an elite player for
this year's draft, and Ty Warren may fit that bill
in some people's mind if he has a Gronkowski like profile.
So back to your Let's say you're the Raiders, not
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Pete Carroll. You just drafted brock Bowers with the thirteenth
pick in the first round last year, who was rookie
the year like sensational, had as good a rookie year
as you could possibly have. So now if you if
you're making the decisions at the Raiders, who pay can
six for a reason?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Right? You didn't?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
You got all kinds of needs everywhere. But here's this
guy that you see is Gronkowski, and you're probably saying, Man,
I'm gonna get in a lot of twelve personnel. I'm
gonna be like the Patriots back when they had Gronk
and Hernandez. Right, those were a fourth rounder and a
second rounder, not not to not a not a tow
top not two guys in the top half of the
first round. They were both drafted. They should have been
drafted higher.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
No doubt.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Obviously no doubt, but it seems to me, you know,
and that was with the Patriots when they were at
a super Bowl level and they're just refining the nuances
to get to the top, right, So would would you
take Ty Warren, knowing that you have brock Bauers.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
And and and uh and just say, well, I want
to be really good in twelve personnel.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Here is here is a thing that where the coach
or your system plays a part in this as well.
A tight end of that talent. I would take him
and and and just just play a bunch of because
figure it out. Because I have seen over the years
that guy is really can be really important for your offense.
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Now you see some teams the tight ends a blocker. Okay,
that's great, you know, but I never when guys are
telling me that in the meeting, well he's a great blocker,
I said, that's good. How is he as a past receiver?
I mean, I want him to block a little bit,
which he has to. He can't be you know, cast
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for milk toast in there. But he's if he's a
great pass receiver, that's what I wanted. Huh.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
The Colston Cleveland, the miss What about the Michigan guy.
Would you take him with the six pick because he's
a better receiver. If you're just talking receiver qualities, like
he's a he's probably in the receiving domain.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I mean, he's like a big wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I honestly, I would defer to you on that, because
that's the first time I've heard that name. No, if
he's a tight end, if I would take a tight end,
he qualifies in that. To Dick's point, there'll be guys
in there after ten or whatever that really find a
place in the league and are great, and we'll look
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at that. I hope I'm around to look at it
in five six years.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
You know, is there a position that you would have
a ceiling on how high in the first round you
would take that position? Now we've seen because of the
salary cap, we know how valued each position is in
the NFL, because the salary cap says this is their
franchise tag at all these different positions. How about in
the draft, would you say, eh, X is too high
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to take a guard, too high to take us safety,
a tied end. Is there any limit or would you
take any position in any point depending on the talent.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Well, you know, I'll go back and tell a little
bit of a story. Not on the draft so much.
Well with Steve Hutchinson and I talked to Steve. We've
talked to Steve today that the powers that be here's
a Hall of Fame guard. He's a guard. So we
can't pay him because he's a guard. That Oh oh.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Geez, wait to go, Dick. We haven't even taken our
first break yet.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Already told him I need to take I need to take.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Some would you like a cocktail?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
By the way, But I would say, and it varies
from team to team. I always rated, okay, certain position, quarterback,
left tackle, corner, Yeah, and then a pass rusher. Those
four yeah, if they're there, and I think they can
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be the starter and they're difference makers. I thought they
were not that you need all the level, you need,
all twenty two, you need all that kind of stuff.
With those four positions, I think time over time has
shown that they really are important.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Well, the franchise tag echoes that with one exception that
left one position out. That's now all of a sudden
way up there top of the franchise tag list other
than quarterback, and that's wide receive receiver. So is it
different now because the game's different now there are wide
receivers that much more valuable now than they were twenty
years ago.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I don't know. We always had great luck with drafting
wide receivers in the second and third round, right right,
we did. I mean, guys went on Darryl Jackson's Bobby Anger.
You know, these guys they played and they were good,
but they fit the system. They were you know, they
were a certain type of receiver, Travis Hunter as an example.
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I mean, you know, you don't see many athletes at
that ever, right right. So, and there might be a
few more guys than the draft you would know, but
you know, receivers. But it surprises me that receivers now
are are that. I was around Jerry Rice the whole time,
so yeah, but he was. He was really good for
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because he worked hard too well.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
The most glaring need, as you said, and as everybody
has said, is the interior of the offensive line. And
you were directly or indirectly involved with the drafting coaching
of the top three highest drafted interior offensive linemen in
this team's history. That Steve Hutchinson seventeenth in two thousand
and one, who's here today lost.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
A buttlo away.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
By the way, God, the guy looks like he weighs
about one hundred and ten pounds. He really, he looks
like he's won twenty five. He's the highest drafted guard
ever by the Seahawks at number seventeen and oh one.
You made that selection. Great pick by you, and then
you're coaching when you took Chris Spencer the center at
twenty six in two thousand and five, and then you
coach Pete Kendall obviously, who went twenty first in two
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thousand and eight when Dennis was here.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So, if the.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Seahawks do take a guard today, yeah, ninety eight. Sorry,
If the Seahawks do take a guard today, Hugh, it'll
be the second highest interior lineman they've ever drafted.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
If they stay at eighteen, they.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Might move back and get somebody else, But that's what
we're talking about. Potentially here making some actual kind of
history with me the second highest drafted interior offensive lineman
in frantic fifty years of Seahawks football. And we may
see the second highest tonight.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
And as Mike alluded to it, it's not as valuable
as the left tackle.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
But I think given worth they have.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
It almost feels like, in addition, like the primary concern obviously, hey,
is he a great player like you've got If you're
going to spend the eighteenth pick today on a guard,
you got to think the delta is going to be
really big between him and whoever whoever else are you
going to put in.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
The lineup right right?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, and and so in that regard, I just think
that you've got Gray's abel, and you've got you got
the kid from Alabama, Booker, Booker, and and and so.
I I think in addition to being great players on
the field, I think that and you would speak to
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this better than anybody, a tone setter, a guy that
in that room, Steve Hutchinson, like you say, wait a minute,
if we get him, he's we're not just gonna get
a great player, but there's gonna be a kind of
a ripple effect on the rest of the room. His
toughness or what he he brings is going to make
everybody else in the room a little bit better. Is
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there a component to that that? Undoubtedly it's discussed, but
but give us some nuance and some detail about how
that is discussed. Like, Hey, we're getting a tough dude
that wants to finish and and this is exactly what
we want in our offensive line.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean exactly. That gets talked about a lot here.
You know, you're you're analyzing all the players and physically
what can they do? Then the one thing that you're
never quite sure of, but you you try and get
a handle on it when you're interviewing them, talking to
people that know them, things like that is what makes
him tick? Who is he not none as a football player?
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How does he do stuff? And how did he How
did he reflect on his teammates wherever he came from?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Give an example? You say, how does he do stuff?
What does that mean?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
How is he in the locker room? Is he a leader?
Does he is he disciplined?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Does he work hard? You know? Things that that they're
kind of off the charts you don't get from watching
film necessarily, but you want to know those things. I
was blessed to have an offensive line here with Walter
and Steve and Chris Gray and Sean Lockler. But you know, yeah,
you know, but you know what tobec physics as an
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athletically and size wise was wasn't compared to the other guys.
But he made it all work.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
He was the guy because why.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Well because of his leadership. They listened to him and
he helped them, and he uh, he was a friend,
you know. I mean, there's all sorts of things that
go in just in the locker room.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Yeah, you know, how hard is it to tune out
the outside noise? Because John Schneider is facing more heat
this year going to this draft than he has as
an entire career, and it focuses on the interior of
the offensive line and his failures to and he hears
it from everybody. He even said he used the lazy
narrative quote in the press conference a couple of days ago,
and we're like, whoo, John's bristling a little bit for
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the first time.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Ever.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
How hard how easy is it to just tune that
out when you're in the draft board and just focus
on the board and stick to your board, regardless of
whether it says O G or not, whether you're drafting.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
You know, to say that that's not on his mind,
that that's not true. I mean, it was on my
mind that people make decisions for the team. However, you
got to kind of block that out. You have to
kind of block that out and make decisions based on
what you've always made decisions on, and then hopefully, hopefully
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it works. He knows. I had a nice talk with
him yesterday and we were in the draft room, and
he knows he hears that stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Does he hear us say? What's that stuff that you're
talking about? The line? I mean, he referenced that, like
Dick said, I mean, he hears all that.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
But then all of a sudden, but then he started
talking about how other things and some things that he
didn't want me to talk about on the main right.
But he so, yes, he hears that, he hears that,
But I am confident that that won't be the deciding factor.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Right well, to pick all that stuff that he couldn't
tell you, that you couldn't share on the radio.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
We'll take a break.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
You can tell us off the air, Okay, we'll come
back and kind of reset everything. The Seahawks have ten
picks in this draft, five in the top ninety two,
and as of right now, we're on the clock at
number eighteen. There's ten minutes between picks max. Obviously, so
if everything goes as long as possible, you're talking about
you know.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Eight thirty or so ish. The Hawks maybe closer.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
To nine, but we always know that moves a little
bit faster, so we may not even be on the air.
Dick and I'll you'll be out of here five would you?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Would you phone me when they make your pick?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Wait, you'll be in bed by seven o'clock, So as
soon as the Seahawks are on the clock, I'll come
over and knock on your door. But there's a lot
of rumors you want to get to the rumor mill
about the draft and teams trying to move up and
move down who they're going for. We're starting to see
some kind of churning guys at the rumor mill, at
least on social media from people that cover the NFL.
We'll tell you what the Hawks are dealing with. We'll
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tell you what the draft board looks like. All from
the Virginia Mason Athletics Center, Softy, Mike Homegren, Humil and
Dick Fane from the vMac. Next on ninety three three KJRFM,
Welcome to the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Now back to the Virginia Mason Athletics Center and the
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Speaker 2 (19:37):
Boys and girls.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Back here at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center, second floor
Defensive Team Meeting Room is where we are at right now.
We are hanging out all night long for the Round
one of the NFL Draft. Softy Humil and Mike Holmgren
Dick Fane with you all night long. Ian Fernez will
be back at seven o'clock after he takes a nap
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by the way.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Between now and five, which he deserves.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Ten picks overall, five in the top ninety two for
the Seahawks. Seahawks on the clock right now at number
eighteen in the first round, and they have fifty and
fifty two in the second round. That's the pick fifty two, Mike,
that they got from the Steelers for DK Metcalf and
their own picket eighty two and the third the ninety
second pick overall, that's a third rounder. You and I
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were talking yesterday about this. That pick has been passed
around like a coin man. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That is the.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Pick that originally was a lion pick went to the
Jets in a pickswap, then it went to the Raiders
for Devonte Adams, and then it came to the Seahawks
for Gino Smith, and now it belongs to them at
ninety two. Then there's a forty five pick gap right there.
Can't imagine John sitting around waiting for forty five picks
right tomorrow. And then a comp picket number one thirty
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seven in the fourth compit one seventy two in the
fifth compit won seventy five in the fifth a seventh
rounder at two twenty three that they got from the
Steelers again for dk Metcalf from the wrap it up
with their own pick at number.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Two thirty four.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
So I want to go back and play this clip
real quick from John Schneider. Could we referenced it there
in the last segment and again? The first round is
set to begin at five o'clock with the Titans now
on the clock. All kinds of rumors about the Bearers
trying to move up to get asked in Jenny Denver and.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
The Texans want to move up.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
There's some buzz now about the Jaguars maybe doing something
big with that number five pick.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So we'll get to all that in a minute.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
But John Schneider was asked just a couple of days ago,
right about the criticism from people that like to criticize
and ridicule about the talent level of his offensive line.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Here's what John said.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
I think it's an area of need.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
Absolutely, I think We've been very well documented throughout the spring.
It's also a little bit of a lazy narrative because
every team is looking for offensive lineman. We're trying to
create guys every single year. It's just happened. It's not
anything that any being football is happy about, to be
honest with you, It's an area that hasn't been developed
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as well as the other side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Okay, so the second part there about everybody frustrated, he's
exactly right because I remember Tom Cable when he was
here with bitch and moan about these big twelve offensive
linemen that play in these crazy air raids and spread
offenses and they can't block. In the NFL, they're not
as well coached today as they were maybe fifteen twenty
years ago. But there are teams that are better though
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than what the Seahawks have been putting out there on tape,
on paper, and on the field, and they're one of
the poorer units from year to year. So what do
you make of what John just said there, because he's
almost saying, Hey, this is not just an US problem,
This isn't everybody problem.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Yeah, you can tell you the frustrations there, right, but
you also recognize the need. And so I think that
you look at the Seahawks now, they've had three offenseives,
They've had a handful of offensive line coaches.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
For yeah, four and seven years.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Wow, okay, so the continuity you know, listen, I'm old.
So going back to the forty nine ers, that offensive
line with the coach Bob mccatrick one coach, those guys,
and you remember just they played together. Those guys played
together for I don't know, ten years, you know, I mean,
so it's just different. You know, the idea that to
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your point that the college game, the offensive college game is,
you know, is throwing the ball a lot more, is
spreading things out. So the offensive line people coming out
is different now than it used to be. To John's credit,
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So if you're going to run a certain style of offense,
I go back to that, what do we want to do.
What do we want to do? And how does that
player fit into what we want to do.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, so, Mike, I think.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
On this particular topic, I think John is missing a
chain in his logic link and let me explain. I
think that we can stipulate this fact right here that
it's let's just say that it's much harder than it
ever was, right for that the schemes, what have you,
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and that everybody's trying. And every every all thirty two
gms sit around, you know, they have a convention every
year and they go, isn't it hard as hell to
evaluate offensive lineman? And they could all agree, and let's
let's stipulate that they're right in that regard. But you're
still going to have to play with five offensive linemen
on every single play of the season, and you're gonna
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be judged your offensive line. You're going to be judged
on how you are compared to the other thirty one
teams at the offensive line position. Sure, now you can
be great in all the rest of the position, but
if we're talking offense of line, your eyes tell you
when you watch the tape, the numbers, whether it's Pro
Football focus over the last fifteen years. The Seattle Seahawks
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have the lowest rating average rating over fifteen years. On
the offensive line, they're dead last DFL thirty two. Over
the last four years, they're at thirty first place, better
than only the Giants, who are the worst. In the
last four years. The ESPN, the pass rush win rates,
they're twenty sixth in the league. So all of these metrics. Yes,
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it's very difficult, and let's just say it's five times
harder than it was ten or twenty years ago. But
you still have to figure out the process. You got
to figure it out, and you got to put five
dudes up there, and you got a run block and
you got a pass block. So that's where I think
he's missing link in his logic because you his answer
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for why it's a lazy narrative. It begs the question no, no, no, no, no,
you're graded on the curve and you're not grading now
grading O.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Well, I know you're and I would say you're preaching
to the choir because I couldn't agree with you more.
I think you get thrown, you get in a press conference,
or you get in the pre draft thing. After what's
happened with the offensive line, like you said, those numbers
you're gonna get you know, that's the job of the
people asking the questions. You're going to get hit pretty hard.
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And so instead of saying, yeah, we we didn't do
as well as we were going to get better or whatever,
he chose to say that, but I agree with you.
I couldn't agree with you more. So let's try and
fix it. So this draft is hugely important that way.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
He would go on to say later in that cut,
he said, you know, kids today, they'd rather get around
the end and rack up sacks than they.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Would be blocking for quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
And I'm like.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Everybody deals with that.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Everybody deals and then and not every not every kid
out of high school body type says you can be
an edge rusher. I mean, there's just some kids in
high school that are six five three ten.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
You know, they're just gonna be tackles. They're not gonna sew.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
It almost seemed like he let his frustration lead him
down this narrative.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That he takes well.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
But Mike, when he said lazy narrative, I mean I
kind of said, well, I'm in the group that you're
calling lazy narrative, right, because I'm in the group. Did
you take it personally, by the way, No, not personally,
because I listen. I think I'll just say this just
one man's opinion. John Snyder as a person is very likely.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I'm a Seahawk fan before he ever got here, and
I will be a Seahawks fan after he's gone. But
I like John Snyder he as a guy. I really
want him to have success in addition to sex right,
and he had a monumental amount of success in the
first half of his SEAOK tenure. He's fifteen seasons into this.
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The first seven seasons they want the Seawks won nine
playoff games, but the last eight seasons they've won one.
So his success was front loaded if you look at
a fifteen year cap tenure here as GM And of
course Carroll was involved in that. But Mike, I would say, look,
I didn't take it personal. I just think John is
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not thinking the right way. If he's thinking that way,
oh woe is us. It's really hard to find and
coach offensive lineman. No, dude, you got to roll up
your sleeves and you got to do better. You got
to somehout change what you're doing. Right, You just like
forget the past, but right like, just say forget it.
We from this day forward, we can be better on
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the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Did you ever get to a point because clearly, I mean,
by John Schneider's standards, what we heard from him this week,
we don't often hear that kind of stuff from him, Right,
did you ever get to a point where you were like,
you know what, you don't know what the hell you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I've hacked it. Stop telling me how to do my job.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
As I absolutely did that. Now this has nothing to
do with today's draft. Okay, yeah, okay. Now I'm the
president of the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Oh god, yeah, and I'm up there and.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
The press back there. We're trying to build a team.
We're fixing some stuff, but it's a slow process and
it's but we're getting better. And then they're just ruthless.
They're just killing everybody. So I'd had it. I had it,
and I and I and I didn't have the Gary
Wright to talk to me before the press conference. Yeah,
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to calm me down, and this is what you're gonna get, asked.
I yell at Gary, and they'd calm me down. Then
I could go do it. No, I go in there
and they start in with the questions what about this?
So I was good for the bout. I was good
for about the first ten minutes. Then all of a sudden,
a guy who I didn't particularly like, although that should
enter into it, Tony he asked me. He asked me, well,
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what are you gonna do about it? And I said,
Chris Ball, I'm not the coach anymore, right, president, right,
and I have to deal with the mayor and all
these other things. But I'll tell you what, when we
go to the playoffs, don't come to me for tickets
because you're gonna not even get in the stadium.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
With that. We're gonna break. There's a lot of rumors
flying around.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
We're gonna sift through how many of them coach thinks
are true or false. Next on ninety three to three KJRFM.
I've always been goes back here at the Virginia Mason
Athletics Center. We are counting down the minutes now, just
about an hour and fifteen away from Round one of
the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. Big thanks to the
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shin dig together. Softy Dick, Hugh Millen and Mike Holmgrin.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Don't come to me for extra tickets for a playoff
game is with.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Us on the radio show. Everything's on the internet, Mike.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I'm just telling you right now, there's nothing that you've
done even before the internet.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
It's on the internet.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I've gone. I've told you many times. I've grown up
a lot. Yeah, it was only a couple of years ago.
That was good.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, it was about ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Well, there's a lot of rumors flying around, guys, multiple
reports now Russini mcshae saying the Bears are trying to
move up from ten to four to potentially get there
seeing me move up to get Ashton Jenny, We'll see
how far they have to go from number ten Denver.
The Texans apparently reportedly want to move up. There's all
this smoke about the Jaguars doing something with that number
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five pick now in the NFL draft. Maybe the Brown's
moving out of that number two pick. Maybe Jacksonville moving
up to two to get Travis Hunter. So how much
of this stuff do you buy and how much how
much fibbing's going on?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
You think, well, there's a lot of yeah, there's a
lot of fibbing going on. But what happens, you know,
you go in the draft room, they're telephones in front
of everybody. So you have telephones and you've you have phoned,
contacted or had your guys contact every team, every team. Yeah,
if you interested in some phonus whether you are interested
or not, phonus. And so it's like it's like you
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see Wall Street when they're all running around and doing stuff.
That's what happens in the room. Sometimes phones are ringing, ringing.
It's kind of fun, it's kind of but you have
to then then you have to stay focused with your plan.
All of a sudden you say, well, they'll trade you
what and you want. Then you go out, okay, I'll
take it, and then screws up everything.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Everybody blatantly lie to you, and you can do with
the time they were lying. Oh oh yeah, Ever, call
one of your buddies after the draft and say, why'd
you lie to me?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah? Yeah, I said my family, Andy Reid, John Grude,
and Mary Ucci. They lied. The only guys that were
honest were Bill Walsh and Jerry Jones. Really yeah, They
phoned me and they go, we want to trade up,
and I say I had the seventh pick and they
wanted to get to the sixth. They wanted to get
the pick before me. I said, I can't do it
because you might might be the guy I want what
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I don't expect the guy to tell me. But then
all of a sudden, he goes. Jerry goes, well, let
me give you the size of the guy out. I
won't give you the name, but i'll give you the size.
So he gave me the size. They said, Okay, we'll
do it.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
You know, what are the benefits and drawbacks of trading
on draft day versus trading before draft day? Is there
one that you preferred?
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Well, if you trade, make the trade before draft day,
it's things are a little more disciplined than defined for
you on draft day. But that doesn't happen. It didn't
happen to me. A lot the action took place actually
on draft day.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Well, we're we're sitting here here an hour and eleven
and we haven't had one trade yet. And my gut
not that this is based on anything. It kind of
feels like this is setting up to be a Nutso.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
First trown before.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
The story is no way we're going to go through
this thing with trades always going to be fast and furious.
And then the other thing that John Schneider said the
other day, Hugh, is that everybody uses a different chart, right, Like,
we've gone from the Jimmy Johnson chart to the Spielberg
Seinfeld whatever the hell that's called. Whatever that Larry Fitzgerald
chart you're talking about. Rich Hill's got a chart. The
former baseball pitcher Barony's got a chart. I don't know
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what chart to use because I'm saying, you're trying to
figure out, Okay, when there's trades, we want to be
able to tell people, here's what they should get back
in return, here's what they gave up, here's what they
should be getting back.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I don't even know what the hell to look at.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
They're pretty close. I mean, I've seen the Rich Hill,
I've seen the Harvard chart. There's little Jimmy Johnson chart.
I don't know of this show, which chart should we
be using here? I would just go with the Fitzgerald
Spielberger chart. Got okay, So Mike, picking up on what
you were saying all these years that you were in
the draft room.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
There must be a story where.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
You something was gonna happen that that you were really
excited about, like and and then it didn't come together.
There's gotta be some just anguished story that you have
about being in the draft room. Wanted a guy, you
wanted a trade, yet just something that where you go
home to Kathy and you just you can't believe in
and they're still bothering you weeks, months, years later. What
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did something come to mind in that regard like your
biggest draft day er type of situation.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Yeah, I did, and and it happened some some way
on you more because you blame yourself for not being prepared. Okay,
But then I learned over the course of the time
it never never do it over one player. You can't
never do what never never maneuver thinking you're gonna get
this player, have another player, have two players. Okay, Okay,
(35:40):
so if you get hit, you know your world isn't crushed. Okay,
how did you learn that?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Was?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Well, we were we were in Seattle actually, and uh
I wanted we had you know, we have guys on
one side with the board telling me the next team,
the Giants are gonna they need this, they're gonna pick this, this, this,
We're pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Remember the players that that you want to know.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yeah, the players I wanted. I wanted the tight end
that eventually went to New England. I think his name
is Graham. I think it was a Graham. I forget exactly,
but you we can look it up. It was the
same year we drafted Jeremy Stevens, so we had the
tight end. I said, we need this tight end. He's
really a good pass receiver. He played with him for
a long time. And then Daniel you know what, Dick,
(36:25):
I think it was anyway, he so he's there and everything,
all the all the details and all the study told
me he was going to be there because the teams,
the teams there in front of us working, they didn't
need a tight end. They didn't want a tight end.
They weren't going to take a tight end. Okay, it's
getting the team in front of us. You're on the clock,
(36:48):
blah blah. New England trades with them right in front
of us and takes the guy I wanted. I got
out of my chair. I got out of my chair.
I know this would surprise you, but the guys that
were telling me how it's gonna work. Yeah, they got
an ear full in the draft.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
They did because you had the twentieth pick.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
You had the pick right in front, as you're talking about,
made the move of the packers thinking the guy's going
to be there, and then bang the next pick, he's
off the board.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
He's off the board. So I think, right then, then
we picked I think we picked Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
You did, you traded down twenty eight, traded down right,
But they had the twentieth pick, That's what he's saying.
They had the pick in front, and they gave it
up thinking he would still be there in twenty eight.
W No, he went with the very next freaking like
it would have been different if maybe they would have
waited four or five picks.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
But it was the very next one, very next one.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
And I think Bill, you know, I remember talking to
Bill about that, and he, you know, everyone's while he's
he's grouchy, but he but he gives you that little
smile like I got you on that.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Hey, Mike, I bet if we look at the the record,
I bet you went in the press conference and said,
Jeremy's exactly who we wanted.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
You never admit that you never admit, well, you had
el Rey. Yeah, it was a Hall of Famer that win.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I'm looking about tickets now we're testing now when my
whole life is.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Out there, I'm looking at the board. I mean Ed
Reid went four picks later. You could have had Ed
Reid playing for you, but you went to twenty eight.
He went to twenty four.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
But I wasn't. Jeremy played well for.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Us, Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Except for that one game.
We're gonna break quarterbacks. We haven't gotten to quarterbacks yet. Right,
This could be one of the fewest drafted quarterback drafts,
at least in the first round, of all time. There's
only been I believe one, two, three, four five different
drafts where there's only been one quarterback taken in the
(38:35):
first round.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
And we could see that today.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
And there's already rumors about Sandwer Sanders maybe falling out
of the first round entirely. You've watched film, Mike on
these guys, Millon's watch tape on these guys. We'll talk
about who's available the quarterback situation next on ninety three
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