May 28, 2025 • 37 mins
Where does Cal rank among Mariners position players all time? Mike Florio joins the show to talk about the latest Aaron Rodgers drama, and more. We continue the Cal Raleigh conversation and how impressive his season ranks among seasons by a catcher all time. Fun with Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How you doing, a man, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm doing well. I'm doing well.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
You gotta love this weather, right, Oh man, it couldn't
be better coming off the weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
It's a little.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Sluggish, but but you're buoyed by the weather, I'll say
that absolutely, and a nice win coming off of that
disappointing Cleveland series yesterday.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Yeah, I mean, I'm so bullied by the weather that
you know, I'm actually going to go to the baseball game. Because,
as I was telling Ian, I do not go to
baseball games if it's not at least seventy degrees.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
That is just that is a.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Tenant that old Man Fane has has instituted in his life.
Was not the case of one in my twenties, not
the case of my thirties. Now that I'm fifty years old,
old man Faine does not go to a baseball game.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I think it's semantically a small revision. You will not
go to regular season playoff.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh that is a very good call. Yes, if it's
a fifty degree day in October.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
If you ever get this chance to see October baseball there,
you'll be there.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
There is no question, no question about that. But you know,
we mentioned cal Rawley and correction to Andrews alerted me
that show he had won late last night after I
was writing my script and show he has now passed
cal Raley. But point take in cal Raley is out
to an unbelievable start. He is on pace for fifty
eight home runs one hundred and thirteen RBIs an ops
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of nine to seventy five, a war of over nine.
And it got me thinking, Hugh and Anders. It got
me thinking about the greatest hitters in Mariner history. And
I looked up very quickly on Baseball reference Able to
come up with the the ten best war players in
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Seattle Mariner history. Griffy Edgar, Ichiro, A Rod Seeger, Canoe, Buehner, Beltray,
Alvin Davis, and Brett Boone. Those are your top ten guys.
That's in order, Yes, that's in order of the of
war they accumulated as bit slower Griffy each Griffy Edgar, Iro,
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A Rod Seger are your top five.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And so it got me thinking, yeah, like I was,
that's exactly what Andrews said.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I said, Yeah, that's longevity, that's just being and being
a player.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Being for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You accumulate war volume each year. Yes, it's accounting step.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
So it it should be you know, you know, a
war per season. I'm sure they have that right.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Yeah, you could take the number of very easy to
take the number of seasons they played with your baseball
team and and divide your war by that. We'd be
able to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I'm aware that I'm saying, is that a statistic that
it that is presented?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
And I don't think it's one this percent? It would
it would have involve us doing way too much.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
World because a lot of in baseball, a lot of
your as they say, the best ability is availability, so
there is some value in providing launch as well.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So that's true.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, like Mike Trout's war is not going to be
nearly what Mike Trout's war could be exactly because.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
He's not available.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
But he got me thinking, Guys, cal Rawley right now
is unquestionably at the peak of his Seattle Mariner career.
It may stay this way, it may get better, it
may get worse, but unquestionably cal Rawley is playing his
best baseball right now than he has ever played as
a member of the Seattle Mariners. And so I was thinking,
where would cal if we were to do an offensive player,
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actually a position player, because I want to bring defense
into this as well, because that's so important as a
catcher for Cal. If we were to bring a draft,
to put a draft together, where would we be drafting
Cal Rawley? If you were to get one player at
the height of his Mariner powers, So each row at
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his height of his powers. Kyle Sieger you mentioned Seeger,
We get Kyle Seger at the height of Seger's powers,
Cano the height of his powers, Buner beltray a d boone.
You get the best Mariner version of any one of
those players versus the best Mariner version, which is right
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now of the dumper. How high are we drafting the
dumper in that draft?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Guys? Hewlet's slip.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
How long do you get him for?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Let's just I mean, let's see you just get him
for a short period of time.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You need a let's say three years.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I mean just even a season.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I mean, I just kind of want to see where
we think Cal's pinnacle is compared to the pinnacle of
all these other Mariner players.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, I think obviously you've really got to It's easy
to compare the offensive numbers, right and so so Cal's
going to be, you know, significantly behind I don't see significantly,
but he's gonna behind Griff, He's gonna be behind a
rod And yeah, yes, and egger certainly right. But then
you say, okay, what's what's the d the uh the
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win value of an elite catcher? And and you have
to keep in mind and it's not just okay, can
you frame pick pitches? And and can you be a
good backstop? And and and some of the things you
see behind the plate, it's you know, what are you calling?
And how do you relate with the pitchers? And and
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that's hard to isolate the variables. You say, well, okay,
how good would the pitching staff be without cal Ralely?
Well that's a little bit unknowable. But but one thing
you can default to is the pitching staff is really
and so I think a reasonable inference is that cal
Rawley's playing a relatively significant portion of that. So obviously
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his defense and in that capacity really drives him up
the line. I mean you could you could make a
case that he's in the top four. Yes, yeah, you
could make And there's a huge and could you not
I mean, if we're you know, as soon as I
say four out of my mouth, I just dang. You know,
Mount rushmorek is like, because every every sports analogy has
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got to reference Mount Rushmoer.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
But could you say, could is it possible?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You know, is it a Can you make a fair
argument that he's the number four non pitcher?
Speaker 5 (06:18):
It would be I think he would be at least
the very least top five because it's it's Griffy, it's Edgar,
it's it's a Rod, and then in cal in whatever
order you want to go in, because I think that
the drop off after that's pretty significant. But yeah, I
think it depends on how much you value maybe Echiro's
defense and right field, maybe Edgar not playing defense because
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he was a d H for the most of his
career as well.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I think a Rod in.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
His peak, like some had some of the best Mariner
seasons that we've ever seen in terms of just value
on both sides of the ball. So that'd be hard,
but yeah, I think there's a very good argument you
could put him in at least in the top five,
maybe even the top four as well.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Andrews, I'll let you call it Florio here ask I'll
ask you this question because it's It's it's better question
to ask Q than it is to ask Anders, because
Hugh remembers all of Ja Buner's Maryor in her career,
just like I remember all all of Ja Buner's Mayor
in her career. Who is a more feared hitter for
a pitcher, Cal Raley right now or Jay Buhner at
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his pinnacle forty four home runs, one hundred and thirty
eight RBIs nine to twenty six o ps three point
two war.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I mean, the war is not even close to what
Cal is going to be.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I think the first thing love comes to mind is
that Buner was a very i don't say vital bit
of a very important part of the best lineup not
only in Mariner history, but the best lineup in baseball
at the time.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
One of my very best friends is Sean McDonough, who
you know has been doing you know, he did Red
Sox for years and whatever. But I remember, you know,
going down the elevator of the Kingdome, and I remember
him just because we're going to go out after the game,
and and and he just kind of casually just says, oh, yeah,
you know, they don't well, the Marins have the best
lineup in basely, and he said it as if he
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was stating a fact, like right was four is nine?
Like like like who would dispute that? You know, you
know and and you know it's not anything that I
didn't know where we didn't know, But it was just
struck me as why here's a national guy that just
says it that right parenthetic.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Well, we'll get back to this conversation four nine, four
five one. Where would you rank cal on the all
time list of Mariner hitters?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
At is Brian? Let's get to Mike Florio right now.
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Speaker 1 (08:50):
Dick Quick Mariner news.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
They just now Logan Evans, who fits eight great innings yesterday,
has been optioned to triple A. Jackson kar has been
brought up Mike Floor oo joins us.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Now, Michael, how you doing.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 8 (09:05):
You know that brings back memories back when I used
to follow baseball. Having a guy optioned to a Triple
A club sounds so much nicer than the guy was cut.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Well, because he's still your property. He still belongs to
your organization. So uh, and we after hid the performance
he had yesterday, we definitely want him part of the organization.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So, Mike, have you have you done any chewing on
bark lately? And uh?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
What is the latest with Aaron Rodgers as he sits
in California? And according to Terry Bradshaw's should just continue
to sit there and chew on bark and not join
his beloved Steelers.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
I have not yet chewed on bark that I can remember.
It's quite possible. In the state of inebriation, at some
point in my life I did decide to take a
bite out of a piece of bark. I vaguely recall
biting into a Christmas ornament once upon a time after
a little too much sequila. So that wasn't good. But no,
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it was a styrofoam apple. It was covered in material,
so that wasn't as bad as bucking the glass one
against my forehead and having glitter embedded into my scalp
for an extended period of time. But those were the
days when I was young and stupid, not to be
confused with today when I am old and stupid.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
But no bark for me.
Speaker 8 (10:27):
I love the insult from Terry Bradshaw. It's an all
time great insult, and it just encapsulates the attitude that
the old school football mind would have about somebody who
just constantly meanders and contemplates and tinks and ruminates and
can't make a freaking decision. That's the thing about this
that I believe is exhausting to Steelers fans. Just tell
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us what you're.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
Going to do.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
You don't have to come today, but you can tell
us you're coming eventually. And this mystery that he's created,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's his MF.
Speaker 8 (11:01):
He's not the kind of attention townd who stands out
in the street and says, look at me, look at me,
look at me. Here's what I ate at McDonald's. Here's
what I ate at Pizza Hutt, Here's what I had here,
Here's the BARKYE chewed on last night. He doesn't do
that he just says nothing, and he creates a vacuum
the people necessarily are going to try to fill with
information and speculation and analysis. Just tell us what you're
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gonna do. He's hanging out with a guy named Mike's
stud he's answering questions, he's playing word games. Just tell
us what you're going to do. And I feel like
that's where Steelers fans are right now in Bradshaw, I
think perfectly encapsulated it. It's a combination of frustration that
they're doing a one year rental and this idea of
he won't tell us what he's going to do.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I agree with Bradshaw in his comment and the general
tenor of how he feels about this absurdity. I mean,
here we are, you know, you know, almost in June,
and he hasn't made a decision. But I do find
it interesting regarding Bradshaw, you know his by I remember
reading it as a kid that you know, he was
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the number one overall pick. The Pittsburgh Steelers were dreadful
at the time, obviously because they had the number one pick.
He hated as a Louisiana boy, the idea that they
had to go to Pittsburgh, and these comments are regarding
Rogers are reminiscent of the comments that he had about
John Elway when John Elway was going through his drama
around his draft. So I'm on Bradshaw's Bradshaw's side, but
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I think that there's a little bit of asterisk with history,
with his own history.
Speaker 8 (12:36):
Well, you're absolutely right. But at the same time, I
think that the reason his comments were so compelling is
because look, and I'm standing one hundred miles south of
the Golden Triangle in downtown Pittsburgh. I can get there
in an hour and a half. I've lived in or
around Pittsburgh pretty much my entire life. I know how
Steelers fans think. I know how they're wired. I'm not
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a Steelers fan, but I'm one of the people who
are in this area where the Steelers fans come from.
And there is a simple, basic mindset that we have.
It's very linear. It's very simple. You're going to grab
a shovel and help us dig, or you going to
stand there and watch. Let us know what you're planning
on doing. While you're figuring it out, we'll get back
to digging. And I think some resentment builds up over
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this idea that, as Cam Hayward said, And I think
Cam Hayward's comments resonated with Steelers fans because it captures
what they were thinking back in March when Heyward said it,
either you want to be a Steeler or you don't.
This is an opportunity that doesn't come to every player,
and when you get it, you take it. Why would
you not see that you're being offered an opportunity to
be a quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I know
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there's some attitude that's embedded in that belief, but that's
the way the Steelers are and that's the way the
fans are. We don't beg we're not desperate. We don't
get on a knee and hold the position forever while
we're waiting for the guy to decide whether or not
he's going to accept the offer. And I think it's
just a lot of frustration and the way that Bradshaw
said what he said, it came at a time when
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there's a lot of Steelers fans who are just feeling
antsy and irritated and they just want this guy to
make a decision.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well, I think TJ.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Watt wants to be a Pittsburgh Steeler, but he doesn't
want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler under his current deal.
How problematic is this going to be and how long
is this holdout going to last?
Speaker 8 (14:22):
Well, you know the problem to Steelers created by not
getting TJ. Wattsfield done earlier. The market has spiked. And
I believe two things about the Steelers but this off season. One,
they should have traded George Pickens before they traded four
DK Metcalf. I think they would have gotten more for
Pickens if it wasn't obvious to the trained eye that
the town wasn't big enough for both Metcalf and Pickens.
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And second, they should have gotten watsdeal done before they
did something they've never done. They've never given a market
level contract to a player who has no history with
the Steelers. So, if you're going to give thirty million
a year in total value, thirty five million year in
new money analysis to a receiver who's never played for
you before, what are you going to do for a
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guy who's been a cornerstone of the franchise, who's the
face of the franchise, who's given you loyal and high
end performance for years. Are you going to not make
him the highest paide player at his position. What are
you going to do? They did it the last time
when twenty eight million was the high water market. Now
the high water market's gone to forty. If they had
done this earlier, it would have been lower, and they
would have done it before Metcalf got paid. And they've
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screwed this up. You know, the Steelers that I've known
for fifty years, I think they're doubting their ways and
they're just doing something different because it's been nearly a
decade since they won a playoff game. It's almost like
when Georgeia Stanzers decided to do the opposite, said nothing
he was doing was working. The Steelers are like doing
the opposite this year. They're not acting like the Steelers
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have acted in the past, and they're hoping for a
different result.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Mike florioal with US and Mike You have a featured
story on.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Pro Football Talk. Caleb Williams quoted, I wanted to come here.
I love being here, referring to Chicago and his pick
with the Bears of the number one. There's also talk
this week that Ben Johnson, the new coach, wants him
to work on his body language, So just kind of
talk about where we are and going into sophomore season
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for Caleb Williams in Chicago.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
Well, I believe that Caleb william is telling the truth,
depending upon the timeframe he's referring to. At some point
he realized that the Bears were not going to trade
his rights, and he decided along with his father Carl,
that they were not going to try to launch a
public campaign to get the Bears to trade the pick,
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that they didn't want the heat that was going to
come from pushing back against the NFL's version of the
Harry Potter sorting hat. And the draft has gotten so
big now, and I've written about this recently, I'm not
sure anyone can push back like John Elway and Eli
Manning did. Maybe Arch can get away with it, assuming
he's a top prospect and he had Eli and Peyton
and r and his dad Cup out there carrying the flag.
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But even then it's not going to be easy. So
Caleb eventually cried uncle. But there's no reason to doubt
on the record comments from Carl Williams of Seth Wickershram
and Seth Wickerson isn't a clickbait merchant he wasn't doing
short term reporting. He's working on a book and this
surfaces as part of the reporting he did for his book.
So Yat Cayler Williams ultimately decided to love the one
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he's with because there was no way he was going
to get to Minnesota or anywhere else. So I have
no issue with that. I wish he would just be.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Candid about it.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
There's no harm in telling the truth about it. I
think most reasonable people would agree. And as to the
body language, Hey, everything a quarterback does exudes whether or
not he's the guy. And I give you an example
when we were in Philadelphia for the Division round game
and we're out on the field ahead of time. Matthew
Stafford is a badass. He's like John Wayne just the
way he's just his presence. And I think there's something
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to be said for because it's a very visual sport.
There's something to be said for how you carry yourself,
how you your face reacts, your expressions, how you interact
with other people, how just everything about your vibe. People
are gonna watch it, they're gonna study it, and they're
gonna come to conclusion. So I think there's something to
be said for Ben Johnson wanting that I don't know
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that you say it out loud.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I think you just do it.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
But the fact that he's saying it out loud, it
may it may be a sign that he'd gotten some
resistance so far in his effort to get Caleb Williams
to buy in.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Hey, Mike, before I let you go, h could you
give us an anecdote or two about your run ins
with Jim Mersey down the years.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Well, I never met him and I don't think I
ever interviewed him, although we did have a back and
forth on Twitter at one point and he referred to
me as floor sweeper, which is okay. It's not as
good as chew on bark, but it was okay, and
I think we got past it, and I think we
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were fine at the end of the day. Say and look,
I criticized him when he needs to be criticized, and
he did and said things that merited criticism. I firmly
believe that the decision to dump Frank Reich and hire
Jeff Saturday to be the interim coach. I wrote something
at the time that basically there needs to be a
mutiny or the league needs to step in because Jim
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Mersay may not be fit to operate this team on
a day to day basis, and I believed that at
the time. But I also believe he was a unique,
authentic figure who was always himself. He did think his way.
There were times that was great, there were times it
wasn't great, but it wasn't of any malice. He loved
the cults, he loved the NFL. He tried to do
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what he thought was right, and sometimes he was right,
and sometimes in his effort to do what he thought
was right, he was wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Mike, we all saw a pleasure, always a pleasure. We'll
talk to you next week. Hiight, So you guys, that's
Mike Florio. When we come back, we'll get back to
this Galgherole conversation.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Where does he rank in the panther of Mariner hitters
at their peak? Because he is clearly in his peak
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Speaker 4 (20:28):
Well, the back to Jimmy's on first Mariners in the
Nats coming up our thanks to Mike Florio for joining us.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So, boys, where do we.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Did we come to a conclusion on where we rank
cal right now? As far as ranking him and how
he's performing right now both offensively and defensively with the
pinnacle of the great Mariner position players of all time?
Do we all agree that he's definitely not in the
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bottom five of the top ten? Right He's better than Boone, better,
n Ad better, a better Cano, better than Buner. So
now we've gotten to secret five and we're just going
by war right now, just as a secret five, a
Rod at four, each at three, Edgar at two, Griffy
at one. Can we all agree that he's not Griffy
or Edgar?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Can we can? Can we yes? RaSE those two?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, even though Edgar's not giving you anything defending.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
We were talking about the very best Peak was better
than almost anyone. Yeah, So you're not just.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
The reason the reason I'm just including a Rod for
a second, And I think because obviously Mariner fans are
going to have, you know, have a salty opinion of
a Rod, And I'd love to hear your take at
four nine four five one.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I mean, if you.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Had to win a series, if you had to win
Let's let's just say the Mariners are going the World
Series and you could take the best A Rod as
a Seattle Mariner or the best Cal Rawley as a
Seattle Mariner to help you win that World Series.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You know how bad a Rod is in the World Series,
like his his World series stats are.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
God understood under but we're just we're.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Just talking about the best, you know, just take a
Rod at his best while he was a Seattle manor
versus cald. Honestly, guys, I think it's close. Maybe I'm
maybe I'm a moron.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I think it's close.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, go ahead. There's another way to put it. Let's
say suppose you could clone this Mariner team. This is
a thought experience.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Clone this.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
It's the identical team, this team, and so everybody is
the same. There's two versions of everybody other than you
can have Cal on one team, or you can have
each Row on the other. Which team wins more games,
the Cal team or the RO team.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I think the Cal team win.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I think the Cal team as well.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yes, and we're talking about a first ballot Hall of
Famer in ero. But yeah, you're talking about winning games
and war would be you know, war is not Echiro's friend.
By the way, how many so so cal Rawley is
on pace for a nine plus war each Row's best
war seasons number one two thousand and four and nine
number two two thousand and one, A seven point five.
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Never had another six plus war season his entire.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Career for power yep, because he didn't hit for power.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
And he didn't drive in runs. He scored runs and
walk a ton in the mase, but he didn't. Yeah,
exactly so, but I think we so now we're talking
about potentially third.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Although I'm getting head shaken here on the A Rod thing.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
At Jimmy's They're like, no, no, no, no, Yeah, a Rod
is better than the A Rod at his prime as
a Mariner is better than cal at his prime as
a Mariner. I mean, I can I can live with that, Yeah,
even though I like cal Way better something likability factor.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
But also if you mentioned this with Jay Buner two,
just like his kind of intangibles aspect, you could say
that almost times ten with cal Rawly and what he
does with this pitching staff how he's kind of the
leader of this team, uh, just kind of knowing the
pulse of the Seattle kind of landscape here. He's kind
of turned into this cult hero. Like what he brings
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not just in his stats, but everything else as well
kind of I think elevates him just slightly maybe above
Etro maybe.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, I agree. I would say, you know, for the
last couple of years, I have.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I've got a credential, and I go down to spring training,
right and you know that that's something I have. I've
been in a lot of locker rooms, maybe a couple
of times back in the mid nineties, and and so
I'm not I don't have a lot of experience around
baseball players, but I have a lot of experience around athletes.
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Been in a lot of NFL locker rooms, and I
just sit and just kind of take note.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And and the way if you have a.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Credential, you can get really close to the action, and
you can get within six eight feet of these you
can hear their conversations, you know, And and you're not
like Prian in so doing. That's just the nature of
how they run their train you know, like for example,
in the UH in the bullpen, sessions. You can you
can be right behind the chainlingk fence four feet behind Raleigh.
(25:14):
You can see how he interacts with the pictures, how
he interacts with the other catchers. And I'm just gonna
just speaking for myself, his likability factor is just off
the charts. It's clear there's a respect that everybody has
for him. I mean, he's a big dude. His frame
just relativative to other guys. He's just like he's a
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different cat, Like he's a bit and and and his
ass which is obviously just from a physiogy physiological perspective,
that's a source of power muscle in you.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
You know, like you can see why he'd be a
power here.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Like he's he's a unique individual, both in his appearance
and in his countenance and and how he relates.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And I I don't disl like.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
How Julio engages, But if you ask me, is there
a cool factor to Julio A little bit?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I observe that a little bit, not in any way
that really puts me off, but in a way that
clearly distinguishes him from Cal Rawley. Oh yeah, Cal Salton
Kyle Humble is as humble as the day is long, but.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Not in a meek way.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Cal Rawly has what I would describe as a perfect disposition.
And so you know, does that wear off in any way?
I can't imagine it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I'm fascinated to see what cal Raly does over the
next few years. Now, he's probably reached his pinnacle this year.
I mean, he's going to be forty plus home runs.
He's going to be right around one hundred RBIs. But
playing the catcher position, this is something we've never seen before,
the catcher position. He already has more home runs than
the other catcher.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
He might have the best catcher season that we've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That's correct, That's correct?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
How long would define that? And weave? What are you
talking about, Mariner fans or in.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Baseball baseball period, like, this might be the best catcher
season that we've like, Judge John.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
He's on pace, yeah, I mean, he is on pace
for the I mean, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
What find best.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I mean are we talking are we talking ops like
strictly home run?
Speaker 5 (27:21):
I mean everything, everything, all encompassing. Whether you talk about
his ability to be an elite defensive catcher, what i'd
say top five at at.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Harder measurement though, right, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I mean had one season of thirty five and one
thirteen that was it. His best year was thirty five
home runs one hundred and thirteen RBIs I mean I
mean Cal may have that by August.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yes, at least in the home run category.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, I mean, I'm willing to be convinced. I haven't.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I haven't you know, examined the evidence. So I'm I'm
very easily convinced. I just want to see the evidence.
I mean, baseball, as a general rule, is the most
individual of sport, so we have means of determining things.
And obviously it's a lot easier to assess the offensive
impact that the player has than the defensive impact. So
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you know, I mean, you know, pudge out of hell
of an arm. You know, you'd have to go into times,
you know, caught stealing. You know, there's you know, caught
stealing stats and the rest.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
But plus there's also like a factor of a lot
of the really good catcher seasons were players that didn't
catch a lot of games. They were like DH for
maybe fifty percent of them. Cal is catching most games
as a Seattle Mariner, especially in this era where you
know they're taking more days off than they ever have
from the catching position. It's so, so, so important, and
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he has a chance to have the most home runs
ever by a catcher in a single season, which was
done by Soalviy Perez I think two years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It's great.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I mean I just told you, I just indicated how
big a cal Rawley fano.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Oh yeah, yeah. But I'm not the.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Only one that when you said maybe the greatest catcher
season ever, I'm not the only one that said, whoa wait, wait,
are you sure let's not be homers in this Like
if it's true, wonderful, present the evidence for it, and
maybe we can reasonably arrive at that conclusion. But we
got it. But and you got on the right way
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of defending that proposition that Wow mentioned.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
You mentioned Bench, and if Kal just continues on this pace,
it's gonna be a best year of Johnny Bench's career
type season. That would be nineteen seventy, which incidentally was
his fourth year with the Reds. And he's had a
very similar progression in his first four years with the
Reds as cal has had with the Mariners. He had
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forty five home runs, one hundred and forty eight RBIs
nine two oh ps. I mean that's in a seven
point one war. I mean Cal's wars on pace to
be higher, his home runs are on pace to be higher.
Is RBI's are on pace to be lower, and his
average is on pace to be lower. So but it's
but it's in the same ballpark, which is just absolutely sta.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Coming up next, we got a little fun with we
got to take a break.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
We got fun with audio, including something that Steve Phillips
said on on the show today earlier on the radio
station with MJ I want to play that for you guys,
and uh see if you agree with him. Next on
ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It's now time for Softy and Digg's fun with audio.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Jimmy Gawd Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Now let's have some fun with audio.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Let's have some fun with audio.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I forgot to ask Anders during the break, and Anders
has got his few million.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Drop right, hold on just a second? Can hold up?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Kind I kind of figured, I kind of figured I
probably should have done that during the breaks in said
Jackson is nine.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Here Jackson is busy doing.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Sounders pregame, which will begin at five o'clock over on
the A like Softy calls at nine.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Over me are Ams?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I got it ready? All right?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Here we go, Hey, Hugh, do you hear that?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Steve Phillips, former general manager of the New York Mets,
was on with MJ today and MJ asked them straight
up at the end of the conversation, Sony, you think
the Mariners are going to hang on to this lead
in the Al West.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
I think the Astros are going to come back. I
think the Rangers will finally at some point, I think,
get their act together, and I see the Mariners likely
ending up in third place in this division.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Again.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Wow, a big want waft stee Phillis, do we agree
with that? You are we gonna Are we gonna see
the same type of slide from the lowest Marin arrows
that we saw last year after they had a ten
game lead.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Well, I think that we're barely at the quarter pole, right.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
So I think that if you want to take the
the make the argument and and have some uh some
validity to your argument, you can. If you want to
argue that they're going to be in third place, you
could you could give res that are credible you could
also give You could have to take that they're going
to win the al Wes and and you could provide
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credible and valid reasons.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
For that, sound right, make a sound argument for that.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
So so I think at this juncture, look, anybody who's
you know, talking about this and the prediction it.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
You know what you want to know? How you impress me?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Go to Vegas and and go put five hundred grand
down on those and then earn a ticket and then
go get your ass kicked out of Vegas. You win
enough by Vegas you're not allowed to set the sports
book anymore. Like now you've got my attention. If you're
that good at predicting other than that, yeah, I mean
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he may be right. Maybe he's just trying to I
don't know, you know, I don't know him intimately. I
think it's an interesting guy to have on, but he
may be just trying to be dissenting.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
True. Well, where I.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Wouldn't put my money on is the Mariners that sixteen
to one to win the World Series, because that's what
they are right now.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
They are sixth best in baseball.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Vegas thinks they have a chance.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Which is I mean, it's crazy Vegas is I think
is insane on their take on the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
But I think call me Homer.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Okay, well, I think Vegas is insane on their take
with the Mariners because I don't think the Mariners.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Should be sixteen to one.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
I think they should be more twenty five or thirty
to one to win the to win the World Series.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
But they they absolutely believe that.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Yeah, they are the sixth highest team in baseball to
win the World Series in.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Sixteen to one.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Sixteen to one, I mean, I don't know. Think if
you if you had sixteen dimes and he painted one
of them red and you blindfold and you had to
you had to pick, like sixteen to one, seems like
pretty long odds the sixth best.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I just think there's I just think there's four or
five teams that are just considerably better than Seattle, especially
in the National League.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I mean, I think the Dodgers would run rough shot
over the marriage.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Well, okay, so if you said, all right, describe and
go ahead, anders jump in, describe to me in ten seconds,
the best argument you can give for what for how
the Mariners are gonna win the World Series? If I
just told you they won the World Series. I've got
I've got a time machine and and a won World Series.
Now you give me ten second argument this to how
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that happened.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Best pitching staff in baseball, Uh, probably having the best
five man rotation with two of those guys going into
the bullpen to elongate games. Once you get into the postseason,
anything can happen, and the most controllable thing is a
pitching staff. So if those guys come back healthy, I
think not a lot of teams are gonna want to
play the Mariners. So I think I think sixth out
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of all of the likelihood teams. That tells me it's
about right. I just everyone sixteen to one.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I just I would just say that every every one
of those games is gonna for me two to one, guys,
because I just don't say.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It has been so much better though.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I know, but this we're talking about the World Series,
and I just remember what the fonted two thousand and
one Mariner offense did in the in the in the playoffs,
they did absolutely nothing. I remember what the vaunted ninety
seven Mariners offense did in the playoffs. They did absolutely nothing.
I mean, there we have had great Now maybe I'm
just living in the past. But we have had fantastic
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offenses on this baseball team, and they get into the
playoffs and they do jack deadly squat every time. So
I mean, I'm optimistic about this team winning division. That's
as far as I can go on that.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Hey, Hugh, did you hear that? What's that?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Dick?
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
He did a Q and A with fans at a
Mike stud concert over the weekend and got this question
on if he would ever play for the New Orleans
Saints our free agent.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
Now, would you ever consider playing for the Saints and
maybe know it's great again?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Because you don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
That's the answer. That's the answer.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
No, I've played a couple of times, but no answer.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I'm too old. I don't want to live in Louisiana. Sorry. Wow.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Oh, Like at the end there, he like tried to
throw shade on himself and he actually just threw more
shade on people that lived in Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, I don't know. I've I've gone up and down
with this guy. I couldn't stand him for a while,
and then I admired his courage, you know, for for
certain aspects of of how he conducted himself. And then
I think I finally just threw in the towel for
me as a potential fan of his, when he chose
(36:49):
to be in Egypt instead of being at a mandatory
mini camp and he like, here the Jets, he had
just torn his achilles heel the year before, they're trying
to have a rebound year, and he just blows the
entire team's knees out with this decision to go to Egypt.
So you know, that steals our proud franchise, the fact
that they're just even doing the dance with them.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I don't know. I think it's good for the game
if he comes back, you.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Know, I think, because you know he's there's still a
talent in there, and certainly there's going to be interest
for him.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
So I'd like to see him come back.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
But as for the rest of the nonsense, he's he's way,
he's gone way beyond for me.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Petrus Papadakis comes up next. Boy Anders.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
He went viral this week really after his y oh
yeah with his with his hot takes on on USC
being scared to play Notre Dame awful, announcing was retweeting,
and it was all over the Twitter Verse. We'll talk
to him next on ninety three point three KJERFN
How you doing, a man, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm doing well. I'm doing well.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
You gotta love this weather, right, Oh man, it couldn't
be better coming off the weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
It's a little.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Sluggish, but but you're buoyed by the weather, I'll say
that absolutely, and a nice win coming off of that
disappointing Cleveland series yesterday.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Yeah, I mean, I'm so bullied by the weather that
you know, I'm actually going to go to the baseball game. Because,
as I was telling Ian, I do not go to
baseball games if it's not at least seventy degrees.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
That is just that is a.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Tenant that old Man Fane has has instituted in his life.
Was not the case of one in my twenties, not
the case of my thirties. Now that I'm fifty years old,
old man Faine does not go to a baseball game.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I think it's semantically a small revision. You will not
go to regular season playoff.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh that is a very good call. Yes, if it's
a fifty degree day in October.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
If you ever get this chance to see October baseball there,
you'll be there.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
There is no question, no question about that. But you know,
we mentioned cal Rawley and correction to Andrews alerted me
that show he had won late last night after I
was writing my script and show he has now passed
cal Raley. But point take in cal Raley is out
to an unbelievable start. He is on pace for fifty
eight home runs one hundred and thirteen RBIs an ops
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of nine to seventy five, a war of over nine.
And it got me thinking, Hugh and Anders. It got
me thinking about the greatest hitters in Mariner history. And
I looked up very quickly on Baseball reference Able to
come up with the the ten best war players in
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Seattle Mariner history. Griffy Edgar, Ichiro, A Rod Seeger, Canoe, Buehner, Beltray,
Alvin Davis, and Brett Boone. Those are your top ten guys.
That's in order, Yes, that's in order of the of
war they accumulated as bit slower Griffy each Griffy Edgar, Iro,
(02:06):
A Rod Seger are your top five.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
And so it got me thinking, yeah, like I was,
that's exactly what Andrews said.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I said, Yeah, that's longevity, that's just being and being
a player.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Being for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You accumulate war volume each year. Yes, it's accounting step.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
So it it should be you know, you know, a
war per season. I'm sure they have that right.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Yeah, you could take the number of very easy to
take the number of seasons they played with your baseball
team and and divide your war by that. We'd be
able to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I'm aware that I'm saying, is that a statistic that
it that is presented?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
And I don't think it's one this percent? It would
it would have involve us doing way too much.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
World because a lot of in baseball, a lot of
your as they say, the best ability is availability, so
there is some value in providing launch as well.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So that's true.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, like Mike Trout's war is not going to be
nearly what Mike Trout's war could be exactly because.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
He's not available.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
But he got me thinking, Guys, cal Rawley right now
is unquestionably at the peak of his Seattle Mariner career.
It may stay this way, it may get better, it
may get worse, but unquestionably cal Rawley is playing his
best baseball right now than he has ever played as
a member of the Seattle Mariners. And so I was thinking,
where would cal if we were to do an offensive player,
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actually a position player, because I want to bring defense
into this as well, because that's so important as a
catcher for Cal. If we were to bring a draft,
to put a draft together, where would we be drafting
Cal Rawley? If you were to get one player at
the height of his Mariner powers, So each row at
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his height of his powers. Kyle Sieger you mentioned Seeger,
We get Kyle Seger at the height of Seger's powers,
Cano the height of his powers, Buner beltray a d boone.
You get the best Mariner version of any one of
those players versus the best Mariner version, which is right
(04:13):
now of the dumper. How high are we drafting the
dumper in that draft?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Guys? Hewlet's slip.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
How long do you get him for?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Let's just I mean, let's see you just get him
for a short period of time.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You need a let's say three years.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I mean just even a season.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I mean, I just kind of want to see where
we think Cal's pinnacle is compared to the pinnacle of
all these other Mariner players.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, I think obviously you've really got to It's easy
to compare the offensive numbers, right and so so Cal's
going to be, you know, significantly behind I don't see significantly,
but he's gonna behind Griff, He's gonna be behind a
rod And yeah, yes, and egger certainly right. But then
you say, okay, what's what's the d the uh the
(05:00):
win value of an elite catcher? And and you have
to keep in mind and it's not just okay, can
you frame pick pitches? And and can you be a
good backstop? And and and some of the things you
see behind the plate, it's you know, what are you calling?
And how do you relate with the pitchers? And and
(05:21):
that's hard to isolate the variables. You say, well, okay,
how good would the pitching staff be without cal Ralely?
Well that's a little bit unknowable. But but one thing
you can default to is the pitching staff is really
and so I think a reasonable inference is that cal
Rawley's playing a relatively significant portion of that. So obviously
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his defense and in that capacity really drives him up
the line. I mean you could you could make a
case that he's in the top four. Yes, yeah, you
could make And there's a huge and could you not
I mean, if we're you know, as soon as I
say four out of my mouth, I just dang. You know,
Mount rushmorek is like, because every every sports analogy has
(06:07):
got to reference Mount Rushmoer.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
But could you say, could is it possible?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You know, is it a Can you make a fair
argument that he's the number four non pitcher?
Speaker 5 (06:18):
It would be I think he would be at least
the very least top five because it's it's Griffy, it's Edgar,
it's it's a Rod, and then in cal in whatever
order you want to go in, because I think that
the drop off after that's pretty significant. But yeah, I
think it depends on how much you value maybe Echiro's
defense and right field, maybe Edgar not playing defense because
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he was a d H for the most of his
career as well.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I think a Rod in.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
His peak, like some had some of the best Mariner
seasons that we've ever seen in terms of just value
on both sides of the ball. So that'd be hard,
but yeah, I think there's a very good argument you
could put him in at least in the top five,
maybe even the top four as well.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Andrews, I'll let you call it Florio here ask I'll
ask you this question because it's It's it's better question
to ask Q than it is to ask Anders, because
Hugh remembers all of Ja Buner's Maryor in her career,
just like I remember all all of Ja Buner's Mayor
in her career. Who is a more feared hitter for
a pitcher, Cal Raley right now or Jay Buhner at
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his pinnacle forty four home runs, one hundred and thirty
eight RBIs nine to twenty six o ps three point
two war.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I mean, the war is not even close to what
Cal is going to be.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I think the first thing love comes to mind is
that Buner was a very i don't say vital bit
of a very important part of the best lineup not
only in Mariner history, but the best lineup in baseball
at the time.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
One of my very best friends is Sean McDonough, who
you know has been doing you know, he did Red
Sox for years and whatever. But I remember, you know,
going down the elevator of the Kingdome, and I remember
him just because we're going to go out after the game,
and and and he just kind of casually just says, oh, yeah,
you know, they don't well, the Marins have the best
lineup in basely, and he said it as if he
(08:04):
was stating a fact, like right was four is nine?
Like like like who would dispute that? You know, you
know and and you know it's not anything that I
didn't know where we didn't know, But it was just
struck me as why here's a national guy that just
says it that right parenthetic.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Well, we'll get back to this conversation four nine, four
five one. Where would you rank cal on the all
time list of Mariner hitters?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
At is Brian? Let's get to Mike Florio right now.
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(08:49):
here's Softy and.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Dick Quick Mariner news.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
They just now Logan Evans, who fits eight great innings yesterday,
has been optioned to triple A. Jackson kar has been
brought up Mike Floor oo joins us.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Now, Michael, how you doing.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 8 (09:05):
You know that brings back memories back when I used
to follow baseball. Having a guy optioned to a Triple
A club sounds so much nicer than the guy was cut.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Well, because he's still your property. He still belongs to
your organization. So uh, and we after hid the performance
he had yesterday, we definitely want him part of the organization.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So, Mike, have you have you done any chewing on
bark lately? And uh?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
What is the latest with Aaron Rodgers as he sits
in California? And according to Terry Bradshaw's should just continue
to sit there and chew on bark and not join
his beloved Steelers.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
I have not yet chewed on bark that I can remember.
It's quite possible. In the state of inebriation, at some
point in my life I did decide to take a
bite out of a piece of bark. I vaguely recall
biting into a Christmas ornament once upon a time after
a little too much sequila. So that wasn't good. But no,
(10:07):
it was a styrofoam apple. It was covered in material,
so that wasn't as bad as bucking the glass one
against my forehead and having glitter embedded into my scalp
for an extended period of time. But those were the
days when I was young and stupid, not to be
confused with today when I am old and stupid.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
But no bark for me.
Speaker 8 (10:27):
I love the insult from Terry Bradshaw. It's an all
time great insult, and it just encapsulates the attitude that
the old school football mind would have about somebody who
just constantly meanders and contemplates and tinks and ruminates and
can't make a freaking decision. That's the thing about this
that I believe is exhausting to Steelers fans. Just tell
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us what you're.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
Going to do.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
You don't have to come today, but you can tell
us you're coming eventually. And this mystery that he's created,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's his MF.
Speaker 8 (11:01):
He's not the kind of attention townd who stands out
in the street and says, look at me, look at me,
look at me. Here's what I ate at McDonald's. Here's
what I ate at Pizza Hutt, Here's what I had here,
Here's the BARKYE chewed on last night. He doesn't do
that he just says nothing, and he creates a vacuum
the people necessarily are going to try to fill with
information and speculation and analysis. Just tell us what you're
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gonna do. He's hanging out with a guy named Mike's
stud he's answering questions, he's playing word games. Just tell
us what you're going to do. And I feel like
that's where Steelers fans are right now in Bradshaw, I
think perfectly encapsulated it. It's a combination of frustration that
they're doing a one year rental and this idea of
he won't tell us what he's going to do.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I agree with Bradshaw in his comment and the general
tenor of how he feels about this absurdity. I mean,
here we are, you know, you know, almost in June,
and he hasn't made a decision. But I do find
it interesting regarding Bradshaw, you know his by I remember
reading it as a kid that you know, he was
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the number one overall pick. The Pittsburgh Steelers were dreadful
at the time, obviously because they had the number one pick.
He hated as a Louisiana boy, the idea that they
had to go to Pittsburgh, and these comments are regarding
Rogers are reminiscent of the comments that he had about
John Elway when John Elway was going through his drama
around his draft. So I'm on Bradshaw's Bradshaw's side, but
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I think that there's a little bit of asterisk with history,
with his own history.
Speaker 8 (12:36):
Well, you're absolutely right. But at the same time, I
think that the reason his comments were so compelling is
because look, and I'm standing one hundred miles south of
the Golden Triangle in downtown Pittsburgh. I can get there
in an hour and a half. I've lived in or
around Pittsburgh pretty much my entire life. I know how
Steelers fans think. I know how they're wired. I'm not
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a Steelers fan, but I'm one of the people who
are in this area where the Steelers fans come from.
And there is a simple, basic mindset that we have.
It's very linear. It's very simple. You're going to grab
a shovel and help us dig, or you going to
stand there and watch. Let us know what you're planning
on doing. While you're figuring it out, we'll get back
to digging. And I think some resentment builds up over
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this idea that, as Cam Hayward said, And I think
Cam Hayward's comments resonated with Steelers fans because it captures
what they were thinking back in March when Heyward said it,
either you want to be a Steeler or you don't.
This is an opportunity that doesn't come to every player,
and when you get it, you take it. Why would
you not see that you're being offered an opportunity to
be a quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I know
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there's some attitude that's embedded in that belief, but that's
the way the Steelers are and that's the way the
fans are. We don't beg we're not desperate. We don't
get on a knee and hold the position forever while
we're waiting for the guy to decide whether or not
he's going to accept the offer. And I think it's
just a lot of frustration and the way that Bradshaw
said what he said, it came at a time when
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there's a lot of Steelers fans who are just feeling
antsy and irritated and they just want this guy to
make a decision.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well, I think TJ.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Watt wants to be a Pittsburgh Steeler, but he doesn't
want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler under his current deal.
How problematic is this going to be and how long
is this holdout going to last?
Speaker 8 (14:22):
Well, you know the problem to Steelers created by not
getting TJ. Wattsfield done earlier. The market has spiked. And
I believe two things about the Steelers but this off season. One,
they should have traded George Pickens before they traded four
DK Metcalf. I think they would have gotten more for
Pickens if it wasn't obvious to the trained eye that
the town wasn't big enough for both Metcalf and Pickens.
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And second, they should have gotten watsdeal done before they
did something they've never done. They've never given a market
level contract to a player who has no history with
the Steelers. So, if you're going to give thirty million
a year in total value, thirty five million year in
new money analysis to a receiver who's never played for
you before, what are you going to do for a
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guy who's been a cornerstone of the franchise, who's the
face of the franchise, who's given you loyal and high
end performance for years. Are you going to not make
him the highest paide player at his position. What are
you going to do? They did it the last time
when twenty eight million was the high water market. Now
the high water market's gone to forty. If they had
done this earlier, it would have been lower, and they
would have done it before Metcalf got paid. And they've
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screwed this up. You know, the Steelers that I've known
for fifty years, I think they're doubting their ways and
they're just doing something different because it's been nearly a
decade since they won a playoff game. It's almost like
when Georgeia Stanzers decided to do the opposite, said nothing
he was doing was working. The Steelers are like doing
the opposite this year. They're not acting like the Steelers
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have acted in the past, and they're hoping for a
different result.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Mike florioal with US and Mike You have a featured
story on.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Pro Football Talk. Caleb Williams quoted, I wanted to come here.
I love being here, referring to Chicago and his pick
with the Bears of the number one. There's also talk
this week that Ben Johnson, the new coach, wants him
to work on his body language, So just kind of
talk about where we are and going into sophomore season
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for Caleb Williams in Chicago.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
Well, I believe that Caleb william is telling the truth,
depending upon the timeframe he's referring to. At some point
he realized that the Bears were not going to trade
his rights, and he decided along with his father Carl,
that they were not going to try to launch a
public campaign to get the Bears to trade the pick,
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that they didn't want the heat that was going to
come from pushing back against the NFL's version of the
Harry Potter sorting hat. And the draft has gotten so
big now, and I've written about this recently, I'm not
sure anyone can push back like John Elway and Eli
Manning did. Maybe Arch can get away with it, assuming
he's a top prospect and he had Eli and Peyton
and r and his dad Cup out there carrying the flag.
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But even then it's not going to be easy. So
Caleb eventually cried uncle. But there's no reason to doubt
on the record comments from Carl Williams of Seth Wickershram
and Seth Wickerson isn't a clickbait merchant he wasn't doing
short term reporting. He's working on a book and this
surfaces as part of the reporting he did for his book.
So Yat Cayler Williams ultimately decided to love the one
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he's with because there was no way he was going
to get to Minnesota or anywhere else. So I have
no issue with that. I wish he would just be.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Candid about it.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
There's no harm in telling the truth about it. I
think most reasonable people would agree. And as to the
body language, Hey, everything a quarterback does exudes whether or
not he's the guy. And I give you an example
when we were in Philadelphia for the Division round game
and we're out on the field ahead of time. Matthew
Stafford is a badass. He's like John Wayne just the
way he's just his presence. And I think there's something
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to be said for because it's a very visual sport.
There's something to be said for how you carry yourself,
how you your face reacts, your expressions, how you interact
with other people, how just everything about your vibe. People
are gonna watch it, they're gonna study it, and they're
gonna come to conclusion. So I think there's something to
be said for Ben Johnson wanting that I don't know
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that you say it out loud.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I think you just do it.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
But the fact that he's saying it out loud, it
may it may be a sign that he'd gotten some
resistance so far in his effort to get Caleb Williams
to buy in.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Hey, Mike, before I let you go, h could you
give us an anecdote or two about your run ins
with Jim Mersey down the years.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
Well, I never met him and I don't think I
ever interviewed him, although we did have a back and
forth on Twitter at one point and he referred to
me as floor sweeper, which is okay. It's not as
good as chew on bark, but it was okay, and
I think we got past it, and I think we
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were fine at the end of the day. Say and look,
I criticized him when he needs to be criticized, and
he did and said things that merited criticism. I firmly
believe that the decision to dump Frank Reich and hire
Jeff Saturday to be the interim coach. I wrote something
at the time that basically there needs to be a
mutiny or the league needs to step in because Jim
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Mersay may not be fit to operate this team on
a day to day basis, and I believed that at
the time. But I also believe he was a unique,
authentic figure who was always himself. He did think his way.
There were times that was great, there were times it
wasn't great, but it wasn't of any malice. He loved
the cults, he loved the NFL. He tried to do
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what he thought was right, and sometimes he was right,
and sometimes in his effort to do what he thought
was right, he was wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Mike, we all saw a pleasure, always a pleasure. We'll
talk to you next week. Hiight, So you guys, that's
Mike Florio. When we come back, we'll get back to
this Galgherole conversation.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Where does he rank in the panther of Mariner hitters
at their peak? Because he is clearly in his peak
right now. Next on ninety three point three Kjrfmada.
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Speaker 4 (20:28):
Well, the back to Jimmy's on first Mariners in the
Nats coming up our thanks to Mike Florio for joining us.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So, boys, where do we.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Did we come to a conclusion on where we rank
cal right now? As far as ranking him and how
he's performing right now both offensively and defensively with the
pinnacle of the great Mariner position players of all time?
Do we all agree that he's definitely not in the
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bottom five of the top ten? Right He's better than Boone, better,
n Ad better, a better Cano, better than Buner. So
now we've gotten to secret five and we're just going
by war right now, just as a secret five, a
Rod at four, each at three, Edgar at two, Griffy
at one. Can we all agree that he's not Griffy
or Edgar?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Can we can? Can we yes? RaSE those two?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, even though Edgar's not giving you anything defending.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
We were talking about the very best Peak was better
than almost anyone. Yeah, So you're not just.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
The reason the reason I'm just including a Rod for
a second, And I think because obviously Mariner fans are
going to have, you know, have a salty opinion of
a Rod, And I'd love to hear your take at
four nine four five one.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I mean, if you.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Had to win a series, if you had to win
Let's let's just say the Mariners are going the World
Series and you could take the best A Rod as
a Seattle Mariner or the best Cal Rawley as a
Seattle Mariner to help you win that World Series.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
You know how bad a Rod is in the World Series,
like his his World series stats are.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
God understood under but we're just we're.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Just talking about the best, you know, just take a
Rod at his best while he was a Seattle manor
versus cald. Honestly, guys, I think it's close. Maybe I'm
maybe I'm a moron.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I think it's close.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, go ahead. There's another way to put it. Let's
say suppose you could clone this Mariner team. This is
a thought experience.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Clone this.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
It's the identical team, this team, and so everybody is
the same. There's two versions of everybody other than you
can have Cal on one team, or you can have
each Row on the other. Which team wins more games,
the Cal team or the RO team.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I think the Cal team win.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I think the Cal team as well.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yes, and we're talking about a first ballot Hall of
Famer in ero. But yeah, you're talking about winning games
and war would be you know, war is not Echiro's friend.
By the way, how many so so cal Rawley is
on pace for a nine plus war each Row's best
war seasons number one two thousand and four and nine
number two two thousand and one, A seven point five.
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Never had another six plus war season his entire.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Career for power yep, because he didn't hit for power.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
And he didn't drive in runs. He scored runs and
walk a ton in the mase, but he didn't. Yeah,
exactly so, but I think we so now we're talking
about potentially third.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Although I'm getting head shaken here on the A Rod thing.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
At Jimmy's They're like, no, no, no, no, Yeah, a Rod
is better than the A Rod at his prime as
a Mariner is better than cal at his prime as
a Mariner. I mean, I can I can live with that, Yeah,
even though I like cal Way better something likability factor.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
That's true.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
But also if you mentioned this with Jay Buner two,
just like his kind of intangibles aspect, you could say
that almost times ten with cal Rawly and what he
does with this pitching staff how he's kind of the
leader of this team, uh, just kind of knowing the
pulse of the Seattle kind of landscape here. He's kind
of turned into this cult hero. Like what he brings
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not just in his stats, but everything else as well
kind of I think elevates him just slightly maybe above
Etro maybe.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, I agree. I would say, you know, for the
last couple of years, I have.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I've got a credential, and I go down to spring training,
right and you know that that's something I have. I've
been in a lot of locker rooms, maybe a couple
of times back in the mid nineties, and and so
I'm not I don't have a lot of experience around
baseball players, but I have a lot of experience around athletes.
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Been in a lot of NFL locker rooms, and I
just sit and just kind of take note.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And and the way if you have a.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Credential, you can get really close to the action, and
you can get within six eight feet of these you
can hear their conversations, you know, And and you're not
like Prian in so doing. That's just the nature of
how they run their train you know, like for example,
in the UH in the bullpen, sessions. You can you
can be right behind the chainlingk fence four feet behind Raleigh.
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You can see how he interacts with the pictures, how
he interacts with the other catchers. And I'm just gonna
just speaking for myself, his likability factor is just off
the charts. It's clear there's a respect that everybody has
for him. I mean, he's a big dude. His frame
just relativative to other guys. He's just like he's a
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different cat, Like he's a bit and and and his
ass which is obviously just from a physiogy physiological perspective,
that's a source of power muscle in you.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
You know, like you can see why he'd be a
power here.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Like he's he's a unique individual, both in his appearance
and in his countenance and and how he relates.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And I I don't disl like.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
How Julio engages, But if you ask me, is there
a cool factor to Julio A little bit?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I observe that a little bit, not in any way
that really puts me off, but in a way that
clearly distinguishes him from Cal Rawley. Oh yeah, Cal Salton
Kyle Humble is as humble as the day is long, but.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Not in a meek way.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Cal Rawly has what I would describe as a perfect disposition.
And so you know, does that wear off in any way?
I can't imagine it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I'm fascinated to see what cal Raly does over the
next few years. Now, he's probably reached his pinnacle this year.
I mean, he's going to be forty plus home runs.
He's going to be right around one hundred RBIs. But
playing the catcher position, this is something we've never seen before,
the catcher position. He already has more home runs than
the other catcher.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
He might have the best catcher season that we've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That's correct, That's correct?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
How long would define that? And weave? What are you
talking about, Mariner fans or in.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Baseball baseball period, like, this might be the best catcher
season that we've like, Judge John.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
He's on pace, yeah, I mean, he is on pace
for the I mean, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
What find best.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I mean are we talking are we talking ops like
strictly home run?
Speaker 5 (27:21):
I mean everything, everything, all encompassing. Whether you talk about
his ability to be an elite defensive catcher, what i'd
say top five at at.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Harder measurement though, right, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I mean had one season of thirty five and one
thirteen that was it. His best year was thirty five
home runs one hundred and thirteen RBIs I mean I
mean Cal may have that by August.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yes, at least in the home run category.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, I mean, I'm willing to be convinced. I haven't.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I haven't you know, examined the evidence. So I'm I'm
very easily convinced. I just want to see the evidence.
I mean, baseball, as a general rule, is the most
individual of sport, so we have means of determining things.
And obviously it's a lot easier to assess the offensive
impact that the player has than the defensive impact. So
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you know, I mean, you know, pudge out of hell
of an arm. You know, you'd have to go into times,
you know, caught stealing. You know, there's you know, caught
stealing stats and the rest.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
But plus there's also like a factor of a lot
of the really good catcher seasons were players that didn't
catch a lot of games. They were like DH for
maybe fifty percent of them. Cal is catching most games
as a Seattle Mariner, especially in this era where you
know they're taking more days off than they ever have
from the catching position. It's so, so, so important, and
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he has a chance to have the most home runs
ever by a catcher in a single season, which was
done by Soalviy Perez I think two years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
It's great.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I mean I just told you, I just indicated how
big a cal Rawley fano.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Oh yeah, yeah. But I'm not the.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Only one that when you said maybe the greatest catcher
season ever, I'm not the only one that said, whoa wait, wait,
are you sure let's not be homers in this Like
if it's true, wonderful, present the evidence for it, and
maybe we can reasonably arrive at that conclusion. But we
got it. But and you got on the right way
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of defending that proposition that Wow mentioned.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
You mentioned Bench, and if Kal just continues on this pace,
it's gonna be a best year of Johnny Bench's career
type season. That would be nineteen seventy, which incidentally was
his fourth year with the Reds. And he's had a
very similar progression in his first four years with the
Reds as cal has had with the Mariners. He had
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forty five home runs, one hundred and forty eight RBIs
nine two oh ps. I mean that's in a seven
point one war. I mean Cal's wars on pace to
be higher, his home runs are on pace to be higher.
Is RBI's are on pace to be lower, and his
average is on pace to be lower. So but it's
but it's in the same ballpark, which is just absolutely sta.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Coming up next, we got a little fun with we
got to take a break.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
We got fun with audio, including something that Steve Phillips
said on on the show today earlier on the radio
station with MJ I want to play that for you guys,
and uh see if you agree with him. Next on
ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It's now time for Softy and Digg's fun with audio.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Jimmy Gawd Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Now let's have some fun with audio.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Let's have some fun with audio.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I forgot to ask Anders during the break, and Anders
has got his few million.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Drop right, hold on just a second? Can hold up?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Kind I kind of figured, I kind of figured I
probably should have done that during the breaks in said
Jackson is nine.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Here Jackson is busy doing.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Sounders pregame, which will begin at five o'clock over on
the A like Softy calls at nine.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Over me are Ams?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I got it ready? All right?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Here we go, Hey, Hugh, do you hear that?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Steve Phillips, former general manager of the New York Mets,
was on with MJ today and MJ asked them straight
up at the end of the conversation, Sony, you think
the Mariners are going to hang on to this lead
in the Al West.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
I think the Astros are going to come back. I
think the Rangers will finally at some point, I think,
get their act together, and I see the Mariners likely
ending up in third place in this division.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Again.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Wow, a big want waft stee Phillis, do we agree
with that? You are we gonna Are we gonna see
the same type of slide from the lowest Marin arrows
that we saw last year after they had a ten
game lead.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Well, I think that we're barely at the quarter pole, right.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
So I think that if you want to take the
the make the argument and and have some uh some
validity to your argument, you can. If you want to
argue that they're going to be in third place, you
could you could give res that are credible you could
also give You could have to take that they're going
to win the al Wes and and you could provide
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credible and valid reasons.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
For that, sound right, make a sound argument for that.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
So so I think at this juncture, look, anybody who's
you know, talking about this and the prediction it.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
You know what you want to know? How you impress me?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Go to Vegas and and go put five hundred grand
down on those and then earn a ticket and then
go get your ass kicked out of Vegas. You win
enough by Vegas you're not allowed to set the sports
book anymore. Like now you've got my attention. If you're
that good at predicting other than that, yeah, I mean
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he may be right. Maybe he's just trying to I
don't know, you know, I don't know him intimately. I
think it's an interesting guy to have on, but he
may be just trying to be dissenting.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
True. Well, where I.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Wouldn't put my money on is the Mariners that sixteen
to one to win the World Series, because that's what
they are right now.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
They are sixth best in baseball.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Vegas thinks they have a chance.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Which is I mean, it's crazy Vegas is I think
is insane on their take on the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
But I think call me Homer.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Okay, well, I think Vegas is insane on their take
with the Mariners because I don't think the Mariners.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Should be sixteen to one.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
I think they should be more twenty five or thirty
to one to win the to win the World Series.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
But they they absolutely believe that.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Yeah, they are the sixth highest team in baseball to
win the World Series in.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Sixteen to one.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Sixteen to one, I mean, I don't know. Think if
you if you had sixteen dimes and he painted one
of them red and you blindfold and you had to
you had to pick, like sixteen to one, seems like
pretty long odds the sixth best.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I just think there's I just think there's four or
five teams that are just considerably better than Seattle, especially
in the National League.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I mean, I think the Dodgers would run rough shot
over the marriage.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Well, okay, so if you said, all right, describe and
go ahead, anders jump in, describe to me in ten seconds,
the best argument you can give for what for how
the Mariners are gonna win the World Series? If I
just told you they won the World Series. I've got
I've got a time machine and and a won World Series.
Now you give me ten second argument this to how
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that happened.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Best pitching staff in baseball, Uh, probably having the best
five man rotation with two of those guys going into
the bullpen to elongate games. Once you get into the postseason,
anything can happen, and the most controllable thing is a
pitching staff. So if those guys come back healthy, I
think not a lot of teams are gonna want to
play the Mariners. So I think I think sixth out
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of all of the likelihood teams. That tells me it's
about right. I just everyone sixteen to one.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I just I would just say that every every one
of those games is gonna for me two to one, guys,
because I just don't say.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It has been so much better though.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I know, but this we're talking about the World Series,
and I just remember what the fonted two thousand and
one Mariner offense did in the in the in the playoffs,
they did absolutely nothing. I remember what the vaunted ninety
seven Mariners offense did in the playoffs. They did absolutely nothing.
I mean, there we have had great Now maybe I'm
just living in the past. But we have had fantastic
(35:22):
offenses on this baseball team, and they get into the
playoffs and they do jack deadly squat every time. So
I mean, I'm optimistic about this team winning division. That's
as far as I can go on that.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Hey, Hugh, did you hear that? What's that?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Dick?
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
He did a Q and A with fans at a
Mike stud concert over the weekend and got this question
on if he would ever play for the New Orleans
Saints our free agent.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
Now, would you ever consider playing for the Saints and
maybe know it's great again?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Because you don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
That's the answer. That's the answer.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
No, I've played a couple of times, but no answer.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I'm too old. I don't want to live in Louisiana. Sorry. Wow.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Oh, Like at the end there, he like tried to
throw shade on himself and he actually just threw more
shade on people that lived in Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, I don't know. I've I've gone up and down
with this guy. I couldn't stand him for a while,
and then I admired his courage, you know, for for
certain aspects of of how he conducted himself. And then
I think I finally just threw in the towel for
me as a potential fan of his, when he chose
(36:49):
to be in Egypt instead of being at a mandatory
mini camp and he like, here the Jets, he had
just torn his achilles heel the year before, they're trying
to have a rebound year, and he just blows the
entire team's knees out with this decision to go to Egypt.
So you know, that steals our proud franchise, the fact
that they're just even doing the dance with them.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I don't know. I think it's good for the game
if he comes back, you.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Know, I think, because you know he's there's still a
talent in there, and certainly there's going to be interest
for him.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
So I'd like to see him come back.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
But as for the rest of the nonsense, he's he's way,
he's gone way beyond for me.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Petrus Papadakis comes up next. Boy Anders.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
He went viral this week really after his y oh
yeah with his with his hot takes on on USC
being scared to play Notre Dame awful, announcing was retweeting,
and it was all over the Twitter Verse. We'll talk
to him next on ninety three point three KJERFN
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