August 20, 2024 • 33 mins
Jon Wilner from the San Jose Mercury News joins to talk about conference re alignment, UW vs Weber State, and much more. More Questions for Doug Baldwin, what does he think of the Jamal Adams situation? What happened with Percy Harvin and Golden Tate? Life Perspective when someone becomes a parent.
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Speaker 2 (01:46):
Hey, I think Doug Baldwin, I've always knowned this smart guy,
but you're actually more smart than I thought. You're actually
a borrowing genius because by admitting that you don't watch
a lot of football anymore, they don't have to talk football.
You can just get away right and just say I
don't know. He's a beautiful ignorance. You're done well. John
Wilder's with us and John actually covered you back in
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the day at Stanford. John, why do you tell Doug
what your role was before you became the hotline for
the Santase Mercury News.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Why was the Stanford beat writer Doug's last two years
and then into like twenty fifteen through the Luck McCaffrey era.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, got you? Okay you remember him at all?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
By the way, John, John, I'm sorry I was. I
was still trying to survive at that time.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Hey, if I were playing for Harball, I wouldn't know
either man.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
On the same page, what was he like to cover?
I want to get both your thoughts on this. You
thought what he was going to play for? And John,
what was Jim Harbaugh like to cover? And do you
think he's mellowed or has he gotten worse since he
was at Stanford?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I don't see much change, you know. The best comment
about Jim Harbaugh. Came from Jim Harbaugh when one time
we were in a press conference at Stanford and somebody
asked him about his love for football, and he said,
if you drew a hole in my head and peeked inside,
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you would see a football. That is just his entire
life and his entire existence basically is football. And he
is an He could look at the same thing you
and I are looking at and just see it differently.
He just his brain is wired in a different manner.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
How about you playing for him?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Man, Yeah, we only have two hours left, by the
way in the show, just so yeah, yeah, right, No,
I think I'd agree with that.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
He's you could just tell just he he lived, breathed
in everything he knew was football. Everything was circulated around football.
And I do know teammates that I played with at
Stanford who were there with me, who went on to
coach with him at Michigan, they say that he's mellowed
out a little bit. That you know, I think the
the NFL ranks really uh forced him to change a
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little bit. I know we've heard some stories about what
happened over in San Francisco, but you know, I just
I mean I give Listen, I'm at a place now
in my life where I recognize that you need to
give grace to everybody. Yeah, so you know, I'm sure
he's evolving and changing and growing, just as as you
hope everybody else would.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, no doubt. Well, John, you mentioned Stanford there obviously.
And it's funny because we had Rick new Heisl on
the air with us last week and I told I
told Rick flat out that, man, if there's one team
that I'm really worried about making this move to the
big ten, ats UCLA, because you need money, you need
your fans to be motivated and fired up. And UCLA's
fans look the exact opposite of that right now from
these attendance figures from the Rose Bowl, the nil numbers
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that we're seeing at UCLA, And I would just ask you,
number one, do you agree with that that Ucla of
the four maybe has the biggest uphill climb? And then
what about Stanford going into the ACC You're down there
in the Bay Area. How pumped up engaged are Stanford
fans right now?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
You know Stanford fans and Calfan's kind of the same
thing that it's just kind of they're resigned to this.
Nobody really likes it. Nobody wants to be playing all
the games for football and also the Olympic sports on
the East Coast. It's just like a shrug and well,
we'll see what happens here. In terms of UCLA, I
agree with you. I think they are the most interesting
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case of all the ten schools that are going to
other conferences, they're the most interesting case. They haven't won
a Pac twelve title in almost thirty years, and now
they're going into the Big Ten. They got a rookie coach.
They are financially kind of in a continual vice in
terms of how much they can spend on their football
program because the athletic department debt. I don't know how
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they're gonna do their schedules insane. I mean they're playing
LSU on the road in like Week three. I seriously
question how they are gonna do in the Big Ten.
They got to pay col ten million dollars a year
in a subsidy that's gonna further make things difficult. Very
interesting how things turn out for the Bruins and say
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three four.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Years, yeah, yeah, how about you is a Stanford alum,
what do you make of road games at Syracuse, Clemson,
Notre Dame or NC State and flying three thousand miles
across the country and playing in the ACC.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Yeah, I know it's going to be a challenge for
those players. But I will say this. I remember when
I was there, I took a class called Sleeping Dreams.
It was doctor Dementt Sherry Ma World renown people studying sleep.
If anybody can figure it out, Stanford can figure it out.
There's no doubt about my mom. But I mean, that's that's
definitely gonna be a challenge.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Well, no, he's right, John, Still, I totally agree with him, Doug.
The way to encapsulate this existence is Stanford's first ACC
game is at Syracuse on a Friday night, the second
ACC game is at Clemson the next weekend, and in
between then Stanford starts fall quarter classes.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Wow. Yeah, that's going to be a wild ride. Yeah,
I'm glad I'm retired.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
No, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Well.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
John Wilner is with us on the radio show.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
In John, you dub Weber State coming up next Saturday,
Florida State in Georgia Tech this weekend. And you know,
Dick and I talked to Jed Fish last week and Dick,
I'm kind of paraphrasing here and putting words in his mouth.
I'm sorry if I if I do do that, but
well not really he can deal with He's a grown up.
He basically asked, Jed do you need to win against
Weber next Saturday and look good doing it right? Like?
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Do you need to put up a fifty burger or
shut these guys out? And I think Jed looked at
Dick like he had nine heads. For God's sake, He's like,
I'm coaching the first game with like fifty new players.
Is there a part of that for youw you think
in the first part of the season against Weber Eastern
and Wazoo or does he get a little bit of
a break because of how many new faces are on
that team.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I think they need to.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Look good against Wazoo for a lot of reasons, but
first game, you know, especially first half, if there's some problems,
I think most people will kind of understand, you know.
To me, the issue in the first couple of games
is always the continuity factor at the two positions in need,
the most right offensive line and the secondary, because if
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you've got breakdowns in communication in those two places, you
got big problems. And you Dubb has so many new faces,
not only starting but just in the rotations, and then
you add in a new quarterback and a new playbook,
and I mean, I think Washington fans would are being
unrealistic if they think they're going to come in and just,
you know, overpower all three teams and look good doing it.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well, I think Look, I've said this on the AAR
say it again. I'm a little more concerned about the
Cougar game than maybe somebodies are, because I think they're
pissed off. They're angry at oh you're mad about the
position they're in. They're taking it out on you, Dub.
A lot of those guys stayed right. There's a lot
of guys that stuck with Jake Dickert. Mattier was in
the system a year ago and now he's coming back,
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So that that game kind of has me on edge,
maybe a bit more than most people. But the twelve
team playoff, I want to get your thoughts on that too.
In a second, I saw where Dennis Dodd said he
believes there will be annually maybe multiple nine and three
teams that could make the college football playoff, and I
wonder John, if you agree with that.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I think that eventually we're gonna get to that point.
I don't know first year if we will, but I also.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Think they need to have nine and three teams.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
The committee has got to send a message to the
schools that it's okay to lose, and it's okay to
lose non conference games, because if they don't send that message,
everybody's going to cancel these high profile non conference games
in early September, and that would be bad for the sport.
You've got to feel like you could schedule, you know,
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if you're Oregon, you could schedule an LSU, If you're Washington,
you could schedule, you know, pick up Florida State because
you have that leeway to lose one of those games
and still make the playoffs. You don't want those games
going away. So it's gonna be very important since the committee.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Sends what's your take on that, Doug, I agree one
hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
It goes back to something we talked about earlier, diversity, Right,
Diversity is good for the business. So if you diversify
the games and the teams that you're playing, it's good
for it's good for the sport.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So I agree with Yeah, no doubt what John waters
with us for a few more minutes. I saw where
John can Zeino caught up with the president of Oregon State.
Did you talk to cals chancellor this morning? And if
you did, how did that conversation go, what was talked about.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I did talk to Cals Chancellor. It was just on background,
kind of a get to know you session. He has
only been on the job for about six weeks, right,
so he's not ready to go on the record with
his thoughts on athletics. He's still kind of feeling this way.
But I would say, you know that he certainly talked
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about college sports in a way you don't often hear
from university presidents and chancellors. They often it's like they're
talking a different language because they don't understand college sports.
He really seemed to get it. And you know, he
was a Cal fan growing up. He was at the
play game in nineteen eighty two. Wow, so he understands
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college sports. I walked away thinking he gets it in
a way that a lot of other chancellors and presidents
don't get it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, I just thought about Doug's connection to both of
the plays that maybe would drive.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Him the most nuts.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
One of them he was not a part of, which
is the play because you hadn't been born yet. The
cal Stanford band game and then Malcolm Butler in the
Super Bowl. I mean, maybe the biggest, most famous play
in the history of college football you went to that school,
and then maybe the most famous play in the history
of the Super Bowl you played in that game. But
when you first heard the news about the ACC did
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you have any reaction to that whatsoever?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
When you first heard that.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
News, I think, like most people who are familiar with
the tradition of the Pac ten PAP twelve, it felt sad, right,
It just felt like you're losing all of that. So yeah,
I think ultimately just sad for the the tradition of
what Pack ten and Pac twelve was.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, no, no doubt. All Right, Well, John, we got
a football game on Saturday morning. Your week I think
would probably start the week after. So good luck man
with this crazy news schedule you got, buddy, and we're
talking a.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Week all right, Man, Thanks a lot, guys. All right, Bud.
John Wilner with us from the San Jose A Mercury unions.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
We're gonna break we have a lot to go over,
by the way, we're gonna get in the weeds and
a lot of topics with Doug Bald went in for
Dick Vane next on ninety three three KJRFM.
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We have so much to get through here on the
radio show. Pete Carroll is going to join us at
five pm tonight on the radio show. His very first
conversation since leaving the Seahawks. How about that was the
last time we talked to Pete?
Speaker 5 (12:54):
By the way, I talked to Pete often, it's I
don't know, probably been a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
How's he doing? Bored?
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Of course he's bored.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Will you ask him that when he comes on the.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Air with ask what the hell he's doing? Right now?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
There you go, five o'clock tonight, Pete Carroll will join
dugging me on the radio show.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
We're looking forward to that, all right, So a lot
to get to here.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Textimonials coming up next segment at four forty five.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
A Ask Doug edition of.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Textimonials at four forty five, four nine four five one
anything goes for Doug anything, any topic, any issue, one thing.
Doug told me, he said, you can ask me anything,
all right, and I'm gonna take you up on that
right now.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Okay, you said ask you anything anything.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Did Percy Harvin really punch Golden Tate in the face
before the team picture in New Jersey before the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
I don't know if he like punched him in the face,
because I didn't actually. I mean, there was a lot
that happened, and they ended up on the floor and
in the you know, there was a lot that happened,
but I didn't. I don't know if I don't think
I saw an action.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
But there was an altercation, definitely, wow, over what.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Honestly a misunderstanding. Yeah, it was. It was nothing.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Did it have to do with Russell Wilson's wife. No, No, No,
When people say things like that, what do you what's
your reaction?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
It's sad to ask? I'm taking you up on it.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
No.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
I just get irritated because you know, it's especially something
that inflammatory, right right, You're dealing with something like you know,
you're just dealing with something that's just outside of the
realm of football, and that just it really bothers me because.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
You leave the wives out of it. Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So Jamal Adams did not do that when he was
here with the Seahawks, And I gotta tell you I
was when the trade came down, and these guys will
tell you I was a fan of it. That's a
good trade. You know, two first round draft picks could
turn out to who knows what.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
When Jamal came right when he.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Came to Seattle, I was endorsing the deal. I thought
it was a good deal for the Hawks. They need
a safety. This guy's a proven commodity for two unproven commodities.
Hell yeah, let's do it. And then slowly, surely kind
of went the other way. The thing with the guy's
wife on social media put me over the edge. And
you know that, and I texted you that that it
put me over the edge. How do you think if
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you were, first of all, if you guys had the
characters that you had in the locker room when you played,
would he have been able to get away with something
like that? And if he did do something like that,
what would the reaction have been.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I think there would have been some people who would
have you know, the conference, the conferences after practice or
after the game. They would have been comments made about it.
For sure, there's no doubt about that. Listen, I again,
as a young man now and even a younger man then,
I recognize that that in those heightened environments, you just
you know, you're going off of in and you're going
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off of you know, it's here's a better way explain it.
Jerome Hewlett, the guy mentioned to you earlier today, we
actually had a conversation because you know, we're doing some
business stuff and like, you know it, it's business. In
the business world, you're not supposed to take it personal, right,
But for me it is hard. But for me in
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the sports realm, it was always personal. This is my
body on the line, right, you know, and so it's
really hard. It was it has been really hard for
me to make that transition from recognizing that it's not personal,
it is just business. But when you're in that realm,
when you're in that environment, it's personal, and you respond
like it's personal, right, Chris Carter, Dion Sanders, Right, it's personal,
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and I'm going to come at you with everything that
I have because it's personal, and so I understand why
Jamal felt the way that he did. Was it right? No?
And I think he would tell you that. But that's
that's his work, right, He's still a young man on
his journey. I give him a ton of grace. I
don't know the context of all of the things, right,
I just I just know what it is to be
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like that in that environment. Yeah, so I give him
a ton of grace.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's funny that you said we don't know the context
a lot, which you're totally right. And there's nothing more
that bothers me in this business when people act like
they do.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Sorry, let me back up. When I see the context,
I don't mean the context just of that specific situation.
I mean the context of who Jamal Adams is in
his entirety.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Right, get it, totally get it.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
The other part of the context there is that that
guy had a wife who wasn't involved in this whatsoever,
was dragged into it and then went into a depression
because of what Jamal Adams did. If that's my wife,
we got a problem, of course, right. If it's your wife,
we've got a problem. You've got a problem. And so
that's where he really lost me, I think. And then
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all this talk about him coming back, Doug, I was
scared to death the Hawks would bring him back, you know.
I'd go on the air and say, oh, bring him back,
and then be fun. No, it won't because I don't
like rooting for the guy. I have never watched the
Seahawk football team where I could not root for all
fifty three guys on the roster, and he was the
one guy that I could.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Not root for.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Yeah, so understandable.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah, I mean I just look.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I mean it's obviously, when you become a father and
a husband, your priorities change.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Everything that you thought was important is no.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Longer important on lifetime.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I don't have any kids, so I worry about stupid stuff, right, Okay.
You know my wife grounds me obviously a lot, you know,
not literally like you're grounded, but she brings me down
to earth being a dad. The things that you used
to worry about fifteen years ago, how many of them
do you worry about now?
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Very little? Yeah, I think my children they humble me
every day.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Right, and they're tell people how old they are, by the.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Way, five four and two unbelievable in the middle of it.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
But were you guys thinking five, four and two?
Speaker 5 (18:50):
My god, well, my wife is I understand her perspective
on it. She wants to Is she listening right now,
by the way, I'm sure she is.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Okay, I just want to make sure I don't want
to get in trouble.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Too late, too late. No, she wants to get them
all out of diapers as soon as possible, right, which
is I think is smart, and but it is. It
is a lot of work up front, and a lot
of work in high school, and you know, all the things.
But yeah, three daughters. They're healthy, they're thriving, they're very happy.
I'm a blessed man. But what I would say that
they have taught me over this the past five years
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of you know, being a father. Now when they wake
up in the morning, they do not care about where
they are, what's going on in the world. They don't
care about left right politics, they don't none of that
matters to them. All they care about is are they
loved and are they safe? And I think every human
being on this planet, ultimately, at the core of us,
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that's all we're searching for. Ye are we loved and
are we safe all all of the all of the
chaos and the problems that come from us not feeling
safe and feeling loved. That's what the world is dealing with,
I believe, and I look at I look at it
through my daughter's, my ChIL those lens. They just want
to know if they're loved and they're safe, and if
I give them that, then they're fine. And and and
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I say this, when I say they're fine, I don't
mean that they are going to, you know, be insulated
from all the problems of the world. That's not what
I'm saying. What I'm saying is is that in my
daughter's hearts, if they know that they're loved by their
father and that at any their parents, at any point
something happens, they fail, they go through traumatic experience. As
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long as they know that their parents are there to
love them despite any of those things. Mm hmm. It's
not saying it's going to protect them from the world.
It says it just gives them a chance. Yeah. And
at the end of the day, as a parent, and
that what you want from your for your children is
just to give them a chance to thrive.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
And you needed that perspective. For sure, you needed those
kids to come into your life. So can I borrow
your kids for a couple of weeks to give me
that perspective, because you're gonna go home and you're gonna
care for what you wish for. You want Softy to
come babysit. Would your wife be okay with that? Probably not,
But you're gonna go home and take care of your kids.
I'm want to go home and worry about what some
anonymous clown is saying on social media? Okay, And we
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were talking about that off the air, right, like the
worst I've said this on the air before, the worst
part of my job.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I love my job? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
As Kevin Collaboro used to say, we live in the
toys and games department of life, you and me playing
football and doing a talk show.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Right, there's people that put their lives on the line
every day. We're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Obviously, we're not busting You did more than me, but
you get my point. It's the worst part of my
job by far, absolutely worst. The anonymity of the internet
drives me bananas and I can't escape it.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
But I want to encourage you with something though because
of who you are and what you've done over the
past thirty years. You have a platform to be able
to speak life into people, and you shouldn't take that
for granted. I know it's hard.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I keeps looking at me and I'm looking at it
if I can't stop.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
But you do. You are blessed with the platform to
be able to speak life into people.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You're right, You're exactly right. Yes, I'm very low. They
have the platform that I have, and I don't take
it lightly at all.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
That's why, for example, this is a much different conversation.
But we're going through this conversation with the Mariners right now. Right,
they're struggling. The manager's been here for nine years, the
GM's been here for nine years. And we're talking about
people losing their job, right, which means people moving, It
means kids moving, It means other people losing their jobs. Right,
Pete Carroll got let go and everybody except for I
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think Carl Scott and Ivan Lewis got replaced. That's hundreds
of people, right, that have to get in, kids that
have to move schools at a young age.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I mean, people are affected by this. I don't take
that lightly.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
When I go on the air and say things like
this organization needs a change. But for example, like in
your business, right, when you run a football team or
you run a business off the what's most important is
it the general population? Is it what's best for the
populace or what's best for the individual, Right, So how
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do you balance those two things?
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Yeah? Are you asking me that question?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Well?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I ask myself that question every day, Like when I
go on the air and say, hey, Scott Servis needs
to be replaced.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I mean, I'm well aware of what that means for
hundreds of.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
People many you know, Yeah, I hear you. I think
one of the hardest things I've ever had to do
is let somebody go that I and I'm one of
those people who I will hold on for too long
thinking that I can fix it, thinking that I can
be a part of the solution, where really it's like
now that's that person's work or it's just not a
good fit. You know. It's one of the hardest things
(23:32):
I've had to do because to your point, like you
recognize the impact that it has on that person, on
their family, on their you know, But at the same time,
I think there's a way to do it correctly. You
do it with humility, you do it with compassion, you
do it with love. And ultimately, if you're making that decision,
it should be what's best for the company, the team, whatever,
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but it also should be best for that person.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
So I hear you, Like Pete, He's going to join
us at five o'clock tonight, Pete Carroll. And one of
the things I want to ask him is, I was
always convinced that he would be able to write his
own exit.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
He's earned it, He's been here a long time.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
When he feels it's time to go, he's he's he
deserves that.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
But that's not what happened. He was let he was
literally let go. How surprised were.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
You by that? I mean, it's the nature of the business,
so honestly, not that surprised. You know. I feel for him.
I feel for his family, you know, he's I mean,
this football is all he has known us for so long,
you know, And I gotta be honest, I worry about
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that part for him, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Post football, post football coaches and players of course.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
You know, and especially with Pete, like Pete, that this
is I mean, you saw it every day, the energy
that Pete brought to the practice field, to our team,
to that culture, like you know, you can't replicate that
outside of those outside of that field. And so you know,
I know he's fine. I know he will be fine.
He's got a great wife, he's got a great family,
(25:07):
he's got you know, he's got all the resources in
the world to around himself to you know, and and
I encourage him to do that all the time. But yeah,
it's it's hard mean to you, Pete Carroll, What did
Pete mean to me? I mean, you know, Pete's kind
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of in his own category, because it's not just the
Pete that I've known as you know, his uh, his
colleague and his player, but also coming from Stanford and
having all of those rivalries against him, right, but then
also as a fan of USC for so long, right,
you know, I remember the USC Texas game, right, I remember,
(25:53):
just I just remember all of that. And so Pete
means not only you know, as a coach and as
a figure in the football world, but also and I
told him this on the bus one time we were
I think we were coming home from a game and
I think we had lost that game, and as you could,
you know, it's the environment was it was down a
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little bit, and I told Pete, I was just like,
you know, I hope that you recognize that. You know,
not only are you the coach, you're the football coach
for a lot of these guys, but in some instances,
you are the you're the real you're the male role
model for these guys. And not to take that for granted.
You know, like a lot of these guys are looking
for leadership, they're looking for somebody to point them in
(26:33):
the right direction, and you have a privileged position to
be able to speak life into them, just like you know,
we were just saying, and not to take that for granted.
And he never did. And I don't think, you know,
he didn't need me to tell him that. He knew that,
but I just felt like in that moment, I needed
to remind him of the bigger picture. And Pete has
always been that and so I think more so than
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the football aspect of it, It's just that Pete has
always been a good human being to me. And you know,
don't get me wrong, nobody's perfect, you know, but Pete
just he embodied he embodied waking up every day fighting
to be a better version of himself, and I respect
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the hell out of that.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I asked you off if you had met the new
staff hit and you said, what not yet?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Why not? Those guys have been here for nine months?
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
For?
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Two reasons? Number one and just that's not the realm
of me in anymore. Right, My time and my energy
is spent elsewhere. And I just got a lot of
plates I'm juggling. But also I just feel like I
would be a distraction. And I know you said it
wouldn't be, but I genuinely feel that way. You know,
there's a certain energy that I can't help but have
(27:49):
when I walk into that building. You know, I walked
into that building every day for eight years, and you
know I carried myself a certain way and I can't
It doesn't go away overnight. And yes it's been five years,
but I actually was talking my life about this the
other day. I could during this time of year, there's
a certain energy that my body just naturally brings to
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the surface. I can't control it. Wow, you know, I
have to be aware of it and have to mitigate
because of that, but it doesn't go away. And so
I just I need, I need this break for my
own mental health and well being, but also like it's
a whole new regime over there, and I love John.
John text me all the time. He's like, you would
love Mike, you know all the things. And I believe
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them and I want them to do well. I want
nothing but success for them and for that organization. But
I'm in a new I'm just in a I'm in
a different time of my life. I'm in a different
space in my life, and I'm happy where I'm at.
I'm pursuing the things that I'm passionate about, and so
at some point I will Yeah, good, at some point
for sure.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Well, because all you guys deserve to go back there.
I mean, you're a ring of honor guy.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
But they're not. They're not not letting me come back,
I know exactly. They're always asking me you you.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Deserve to feel comfortable going back, and right now you
don't feel comfortable.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
But it has nothing to do with them. This is
my journey, this is my process, this is my work.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
You know.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I'm so grateful to that organization, to John, to Pete,
to all of the staff there that I've come to love. Yeah,
So there's no there's absolutely, no hard feelings there. Ah,
maybe you know, No, I'm joking, No, I absolutely, I'm
you know, even the hard times, the hard moments, you know,
(29:32):
even leaving in the fashion in which I did, like,
there was some heart, there was some friction there, there
were some hard stuff there. Right, But now you know,
at this stage of my life, I look back on
it with nothing but fond memories. I'm very grateful for that.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well, I mean you gave us fond memories for sure.
I mean you've grown up so much obviously. And I
told Doug Andrews I was going to ask you this
question on the air that when you go back and
you see the tape of the Super Bowl against the
Patriots and you had to touchdown I think against revis
and you proceeded to poop on the ball, what would
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today's Doug Baldwin want to say to that?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Doug Baldwin, the hell are you doing?
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Yeah? No, I mean, listen, that's what you would say. Yeah,
I would. I would obviously being Doug Baldwin in that moment, right,
I understand the emotion and the thought process behind it. Right,
would I say it was right? No? I don't think
it was right. I do understand it. Again, going back
to what we said that that matchup and the comments
(30:34):
that were made prior to the game. It was personal
to me, right, you know. And I told I told Reevis,
I was like, look, he ain't throwing me the ball
right now. You and I both know I'm open and
when I catch this ball, I'm gonna on you. Yes,
it was personal, and so was reaction.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Remember what he said.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
He had no reaction. He walked away. And if you've noticed,
he hasn't said anything about it. He never Yeah, no,
because he knows we both know.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Wow, there's a book out there.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
You know that, right, I'm not right.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
You said that. You're that you have a journal.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Well it's it's a prayer journal, okay, all right, it's
not that kind of.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well we could start that journal.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
No, I mean there's a there's a book, and nobody's
written a book yet about that team or that game.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, I mean there's been like some like I think
Wickersham did something for dot com, but there's never been
any kind of a real approach it chronicling that thing.
It gets brought up and it pisses me off. There's
scars there. You said, you're ninety five percent there. Do
you realize and I think that you do, but I
want to hear you say it. What that team in
twenty thirteen meant and what that game in twenty fourteen
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meant to people that we live in this matrix of
emotion for sure, where you're thinking about that game and
then I'm thinking about seeing Jermaine juggle that ball.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Which by the way, would be would be known as
one of the greatest catches of all time, all time,
My boy Jermaine question to.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Be right there with Stalworth and David right.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
I think it'd be higher than yes, correct, But it
was right.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
In front of me, And so for me it's personally,
you know why, because my dad was sitting next to me,
my mom was sitting next to me, my wife was
sitting next to me, and then what happened happened, And
so you never get over that as a sports fan,
and I wonder if players truly ever get over it,
and maybe if fans take this stuff a little harder
sometimes than players do.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Potentially, I think it's just it's different perspectives. Right as
a player, you're in it, You're in the weeds every day.
So you don't have the opportunity to zoom out and
look at the bigger picture all the time, whereas fans
like you see kind of the bigger narrative and you
are along the roller coaster ride right for us, it's
next play, it's next day, right, you drop a pass,
you got to throw that out the window and get
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ready for the next place. You don't really have time
to sit in it as much, correct.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I gotta wait for you to do it again next Sunday.
I'm waiting for a week. You're going out there tomorrow.
I got to sit here and wallow for seven days.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
On Monday, I'm coming back in and I'm getting ready
for the next team. Yeah, I can't. I'm not wallowing.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
As you said in the don't you feel bad for
me now what you did to me.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
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Speaker 1 (01:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:46):
Hey, I think Doug Baldwin, I've always knowned this smart guy,
but you're actually more smart than I thought. You're actually
a borrowing genius because by admitting that you don't watch
a lot of football anymore, they don't have to talk football.
You can just get away right and just say I
don't know. He's a beautiful ignorance. You're done well. John
Wilder's with us and John actually covered you back in
(02:08):
the day at Stanford. John, why do you tell Doug
what your role was before you became the hotline for
the Santase Mercury News.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Why was the Stanford beat writer Doug's last two years
and then into like twenty fifteen through the Luck McCaffrey era.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, got you? Okay you remember him at all?
Speaker 5 (02:27):
By the way, John, John, I'm sorry I was. I
was still trying to survive at that time.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Hey, if I were playing for Harball, I wouldn't know
either man.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
On the same page, what was he like to cover?
I want to get both your thoughts on this. You
thought what he was going to play for? And John,
what was Jim Harbaugh like to cover? And do you
think he's mellowed or has he gotten worse since he
was at Stanford?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I don't see much change, you know. The best comment
about Jim Harbaugh. Came from Jim Harbaugh when one time
we were in a press conference at Stanford and somebody
asked him about his love for football, and he said,
if you drew a hole in my head and peeked inside,
(03:12):
you would see a football. That is just his entire
life and his entire existence basically is football. And he
is an He could look at the same thing you
and I are looking at and just see it differently.
He just his brain is wired in a different manner.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
How about you playing for him?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Man, Yeah, we only have two hours left, by the
way in the show, just so yeah, yeah, right, No,
I think I'd agree with that.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
He's you could just tell just he he lived, breathed
in everything he knew was football. Everything was circulated around football.
And I do know teammates that I played with at
Stanford who were there with me, who went on to
coach with him at Michigan, they say that he's mellowed
out a little bit. That you know, I think the
the NFL ranks really uh forced him to change a
(04:01):
little bit. I know we've heard some stories about what
happened over in San Francisco, but you know, I just
I mean I give Listen, I'm at a place now
in my life where I recognize that you need to
give grace to everybody. Yeah, so you know, I'm sure
he's evolving and changing and growing, just as as you
hope everybody else would.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, no doubt. Well, John, you mentioned Stanford there obviously.
And it's funny because we had Rick new Heisl on
the air with us last week and I told I
told Rick flat out that, man, if there's one team
that I'm really worried about making this move to the
big ten, ats UCLA, because you need money, you need
your fans to be motivated and fired up. And UCLA's
fans look the exact opposite of that right now from
these attendance figures from the Rose Bowl, the nil numbers
(04:40):
that we're seeing at UCLA, And I would just ask you,
number one, do you agree with that that Ucla of
the four maybe has the biggest uphill climb? And then
what about Stanford going into the ACC You're down there
in the Bay Area. How pumped up engaged are Stanford
fans right now?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
You know Stanford fans and Calfan's kind of the same
thing that it's just kind of they're resigned to this.
Nobody really likes it. Nobody wants to be playing all
the games for football and also the Olympic sports on
the East Coast. It's just like a shrug and well,
we'll see what happens here. In terms of UCLA, I
agree with you. I think they are the most interesting
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case of all the ten schools that are going to
other conferences, they're the most interesting case. They haven't won
a Pac twelve title in almost thirty years, and now
they're going into the Big Ten. They got a rookie coach.
They are financially kind of in a continual vice in
terms of how much they can spend on their football
program because the athletic department debt. I don't know how
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they're gonna do their schedules insane. I mean they're playing
LSU on the road in like Week three. I seriously
question how they are gonna do in the Big Ten.
They got to pay col ten million dollars a year
in a subsidy that's gonna further make things difficult. Very
interesting how things turn out for the Bruins and say
(06:03):
three four.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Years, yeah, yeah, how about you is a Stanford alum,
what do you make of road games at Syracuse, Clemson,
Notre Dame or NC State and flying three thousand miles
across the country and playing in the ACC.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Yeah, I know it's going to be a challenge for
those players. But I will say this. I remember when
I was there, I took a class called Sleeping Dreams.
It was doctor Dementt Sherry Ma World renown people studying sleep.
If anybody can figure it out, Stanford can figure it out.
There's no doubt about my mom. But I mean, that's that's
definitely gonna be a challenge.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Well, no, he's right, John, Still, I totally agree with him, Doug.
The way to encapsulate this existence is Stanford's first ACC
game is at Syracuse on a Friday night, the second
ACC game is at Clemson the next weekend, and in
between then Stanford starts fall quarter classes.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Wow. Yeah, that's going to be a wild ride. Yeah,
I'm glad I'm retired.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
No, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Well.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
John Wilner is with us on the radio show.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
In John, you dub Weber State coming up next Saturday,
Florida State in Georgia Tech this weekend. And you know,
Dick and I talked to Jed Fish last week and Dick,
I'm kind of paraphrasing here and putting words in his mouth.
I'm sorry if I if I do do that, but
well not really he can deal with He's a grown up.
He basically asked, Jed do you need to win against
Weber next Saturday and look good doing it right? Like?
(07:26):
Do you need to put up a fifty burger or
shut these guys out? And I think Jed looked at
Dick like he had nine heads. For God's sake, He's like,
I'm coaching the first game with like fifty new players.
Is there a part of that for youw you think
in the first part of the season against Weber Eastern
and Wazoo or does he get a little bit of
a break because of how many new faces are on
that team.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I think they need to.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Look good against Wazoo for a lot of reasons, but
first game, you know, especially first half, if there's some problems,
I think most people will kind of understand, you know.
To me, the issue in the first couple of games
is always the continuity factor at the two positions in need,
the most right offensive line and the secondary, because if
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you've got breakdowns in communication in those two places, you
got big problems. And you Dubb has so many new faces,
not only starting but just in the rotations, and then
you add in a new quarterback and a new playbook,
and I mean, I think Washington fans would are being
unrealistic if they think they're going to come in and just,
you know, overpower all three teams and look good doing it.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well, I think Look, I've said this on the AAR
say it again. I'm a little more concerned about the
Cougar game than maybe somebodies are, because I think they're
pissed off. They're angry at oh you're mad about the
position they're in. They're taking it out on you, Dub.
A lot of those guys stayed right. There's a lot
of guys that stuck with Jake Dickert. Mattier was in
the system a year ago and now he's coming back,
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So that that game kind of has me on edge,
maybe a bit more than most people. But the twelve
team playoff, I want to get your thoughts on that too.
In a second, I saw where Dennis Dodd said he
believes there will be annually maybe multiple nine and three
teams that could make the college football playoff, and I
wonder John, if you agree with that.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I think that eventually we're gonna get to that point.
I don't know first year if we will, but I also.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Think they need to have nine and three teams.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
The committee has got to send a message to the
schools that it's okay to lose, and it's okay to
lose non conference games, because if they don't send that message,
everybody's going to cancel these high profile non conference games
in early September, and that would be bad for the sport.
You've got to feel like you could schedule, you know,
(09:43):
if you're Oregon, you could schedule an LSU, If you're Washington,
you could schedule, you know, pick up Florida State because
you have that leeway to lose one of those games
and still make the playoffs. You don't want those games
going away. So it's gonna be very important since the committee.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Sends what's your take on that, Doug, I agree one
hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
It goes back to something we talked about earlier, diversity, Right,
Diversity is good for the business. So if you diversify
the games and the teams that you're playing, it's good
for it's good for the sport.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So I agree with Yeah, no doubt what John waters
with us for a few more minutes. I saw where
John can Zeino caught up with the president of Oregon State.
Did you talk to cals chancellor this morning? And if
you did, how did that conversation go, what was talked about.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I did talk to Cals Chancellor. It was just on background,
kind of a get to know you session. He has
only been on the job for about six weeks, right,
so he's not ready to go on the record with
his thoughts on athletics. He's still kind of feeling this way.
But I would say, you know that he certainly talked
(10:49):
about college sports in a way you don't often hear
from university presidents and chancellors. They often it's like they're
talking a different language because they don't understand college sports.
He really seemed to get it. And you know, he
was a Cal fan growing up. He was at the
play game in nineteen eighty two. Wow, so he understands
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college sports. I walked away thinking he gets it in
a way that a lot of other chancellors and presidents
don't get it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, I just thought about Doug's connection to both of
the plays that maybe would drive.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Him the most nuts.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
One of them he was not a part of, which
is the play because you hadn't been born yet. The
cal Stanford band game and then Malcolm Butler in the
Super Bowl. I mean, maybe the biggest, most famous play
in the history of college football you went to that school,
and then maybe the most famous play in the history
of the Super Bowl you played in that game. But
when you first heard the news about the ACC did
(11:44):
you have any reaction to that whatsoever?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
When you first heard that.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
News, I think, like most people who are familiar with
the tradition of the Pac ten PAP twelve, it felt sad, right,
It just felt like you're losing all of that. So yeah,
I think ultimately just sad for the the tradition of
what Pack ten and Pac twelve was.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, no, no doubt. All Right, Well, John, we got
a football game on Saturday morning. Your week I think
would probably start the week after. So good luck man
with this crazy news schedule you got, buddy, and we're
talking a.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Week all right, Man, Thanks a lot, guys. All right, Bud.
John Wilner with us from the San Jose A Mercury unions.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
We're gonna break we have a lot to go over,
by the way, we're gonna get in the weeds and
a lot of topics with Doug Bald went in for
Dick Vane next on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
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Speaker 2 (12:42):
We have so much to get through here on the
radio show. Pete Carroll is going to join us at
five pm tonight on the radio show. His very first
conversation since leaving the Seahawks. How about that was the
last time we talked to Pete?
Speaker 5 (12:54):
By the way, I talked to Pete often, it's I
don't know, probably been a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
How's he doing? Bored?
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Of course he's bored.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Will you ask him that when he comes on the.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Air with ask what the hell he's doing? Right now?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
There you go, five o'clock tonight, Pete Carroll will join
dugging me on the radio show.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
We're looking forward to that, all right, So a lot
to get to here.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Textimonials coming up next segment at four forty five.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
A Ask Doug edition of.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Textimonials at four forty five, four nine four five one
anything goes for Doug anything, any topic, any issue, one thing.
Doug told me, he said, you can ask me anything,
all right, and I'm gonna take you up on that
right now.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Okay, you said ask you anything anything.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Did Percy Harvin really punch Golden Tate in the face
before the team picture in New Jersey before the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
I don't know if he like punched him in the face,
because I didn't actually. I mean, there was a lot
that happened, and they ended up on the floor and
in the you know, there was a lot that happened,
but I didn't. I don't know if I don't think
I saw an action.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
But there was an altercation, definitely, wow, over what.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Honestly a misunderstanding. Yeah, it was. It was nothing.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Did it have to do with Russell Wilson's wife. No, No, No,
When people say things like that, what do you what's
your reaction?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
It's sad to ask? I'm taking you up on it.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
No.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
I just get irritated because you know, it's especially something
that inflammatory, right right, You're dealing with something like you know,
you're just dealing with something that's just outside of the
realm of football, and that just it really bothers me because.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
You leave the wives out of it. Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So Jamal Adams did not do that when he was
here with the Seahawks, And I gotta tell you I
was when the trade came down, and these guys will
tell you I was a fan of it. That's a
good trade. You know, two first round draft picks could
turn out to who knows what.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
When Jamal came right when he.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Came to Seattle, I was endorsing the deal. I thought
it was a good deal for the Hawks. They need
a safety. This guy's a proven commodity for two unproven commodities.
Hell yeah, let's do it. And then slowly, surely kind
of went the other way. The thing with the guy's
wife on social media put me over the edge. And
you know that, and I texted you that that it
put me over the edge. How do you think if
(15:28):
you were, first of all, if you guys had the
characters that you had in the locker room when you played,
would he have been able to get away with something
like that? And if he did do something like that,
what would the reaction have been.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I think there would have been some people who would
have you know, the conference, the conferences after practice or
after the game. They would have been comments made about it.
For sure, there's no doubt about that. Listen, I again,
as a young man now and even a younger man then,
I recognize that that in those heightened environments, you just
you know, you're going off of in and you're going
(16:00):
off of you know, it's here's a better way explain it.
Jerome Hewlett, the guy mentioned to you earlier today, we
actually had a conversation because you know, we're doing some
business stuff and like, you know it, it's business. In
the business world, you're not supposed to take it personal, right,
But for me it is hard. But for me in
(16:21):
the sports realm, it was always personal. This is my
body on the line, right, you know, and so it's
really hard. It was it has been really hard for
me to make that transition from recognizing that it's not personal,
it is just business. But when you're in that realm,
when you're in that environment, it's personal, and you respond
like it's personal, right, Chris Carter, Dion Sanders, Right, it's personal,
(16:44):
and I'm going to come at you with everything that
I have because it's personal, and so I understand why
Jamal felt the way that he did. Was it right? No?
And I think he would tell you that. But that's
that's his work, right, He's still a young man on
his journey. I give him a ton of grace. I
don't know the context of all of the things, right,
I just I just know what it is to be
(17:05):
like that in that environment. Yeah, so I give him
a ton of grace.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's funny that you said we don't know the context
a lot, which you're totally right. And there's nothing more
that bothers me in this business when people act like
they do.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Sorry, let me back up. When I see the context,
I don't mean the context just of that specific situation.
I mean the context of who Jamal Adams is in
his entirety.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Right, get it, totally get it.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
The other part of the context there is that that
guy had a wife who wasn't involved in this whatsoever,
was dragged into it and then went into a depression
because of what Jamal Adams did. If that's my wife,
we got a problem, of course, right. If it's your wife,
we've got a problem. You've got a problem. And so
that's where he really lost me, I think. And then
(17:48):
all this talk about him coming back, Doug, I was
scared to death the Hawks would bring him back, you know.
I'd go on the air and say, oh, bring him back,
and then be fun. No, it won't because I don't
like rooting for the guy. I have never watched the
Seahawk football team where I could not root for all
fifty three guys on the roster, and he was the
one guy that I could.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Not root for.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Yeah, so understandable.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah, I mean I just look.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I mean it's obviously, when you become a father and
a husband, your priorities change.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Everything that you thought was important is no.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Longer important on lifetime.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I don't have any kids, so I worry about stupid stuff, right, Okay.
You know my wife grounds me obviously a lot, you know,
not literally like you're grounded, but she brings me down
to earth being a dad. The things that you used
to worry about fifteen years ago, how many of them
do you worry about now?
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Very little? Yeah, I think my children they humble me
every day.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Right, and they're tell people how old they are, by the.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Way, five four and two unbelievable in the middle of it.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
But were you guys thinking five, four and two?
Speaker 5 (18:50):
My god, well, my wife is I understand her perspective
on it. She wants to Is she listening right now,
by the way, I'm sure she is.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Okay, I just want to make sure I don't want
to get in trouble.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Too late, too late. No, she wants to get them
all out of diapers as soon as possible, right, which
is I think is smart, and but it is. It
is a lot of work up front, and a lot
of work in high school, and you know, all the things.
But yeah, three daughters. They're healthy, they're thriving, they're very happy.
I'm a blessed man. But what I would say that
they have taught me over this the past five years
(19:23):
of you know, being a father. Now when they wake
up in the morning, they do not care about where
they are, what's going on in the world. They don't
care about left right politics, they don't none of that
matters to them. All they care about is are they
loved and are they safe? And I think every human
being on this planet, ultimately, at the core of us,
(19:44):
that's all we're searching for. Ye are we loved and
are we safe all all of the all of the
chaos and the problems that come from us not feeling
safe and feeling loved. That's what the world is dealing with,
I believe, and I look at I look at it
through my daughter's, my ChIL those lens. They just want
to know if they're loved and they're safe, and if
I give them that, then they're fine. And and and
(20:06):
I say this, when I say they're fine, I don't
mean that they are going to, you know, be insulated
from all the problems of the world. That's not what
I'm saying. What I'm saying is is that in my
daughter's hearts, if they know that they're loved by their
father and that at any their parents, at any point
something happens, they fail, they go through traumatic experience. As
(20:27):
long as they know that their parents are there to
love them despite any of those things. Mm hmm. It's
not saying it's going to protect them from the world.
It says it just gives them a chance. Yeah. And
at the end of the day, as a parent, and
that what you want from your for your children is
just to give them a chance to thrive.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
And you needed that perspective. For sure, you needed those
kids to come into your life. So can I borrow
your kids for a couple of weeks to give me
that perspective, because you're gonna go home and you're gonna
care for what you wish for. You want Softy to
come babysit. Would your wife be okay with that? Probably not,
But you're gonna go home and take care of your kids.
I'm want to go home and worry about what some
anonymous clown is saying on social media? Okay, And we
(21:04):
were talking about that off the air, right, like the
worst I've said this on the air before, the worst
part of my job.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I love my job? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
As Kevin Collaboro used to say, we live in the
toys and games department of life, you and me playing
football and doing a talk show.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Right, there's people that put their lives on the line
every day. We're not doing that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Obviously, we're not busting You did more than me, but
you get my point. It's the worst part of my
job by far, absolutely worst. The anonymity of the internet
drives me bananas and I can't escape it.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
But I want to encourage you with something though because
of who you are and what you've done over the
past thirty years. You have a platform to be able
to speak life into people, and you shouldn't take that
for granted. I know it's hard.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I keeps looking at me and I'm looking at it
if I can't stop.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
But you do. You are blessed with the platform to
be able to speak life into people.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You're right, You're exactly right. Yes, I'm very low. They
have the platform that I have, and I don't take
it lightly at all.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
That's why, for example, this is a much different conversation.
But we're going through this conversation with the Mariners right now. Right,
they're struggling. The manager's been here for nine years, the
GM's been here for nine years. And we're talking about
people losing their job, right, which means people moving, It
means kids moving, It means other people losing their jobs. Right,
Pete Carroll got let go and everybody except for I
(22:26):
think Carl Scott and Ivan Lewis got replaced. That's hundreds
of people, right, that have to get in, kids that
have to move schools at a young age.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I mean, people are affected by this. I don't take
that lightly.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
When I go on the air and say things like
this organization needs a change. But for example, like in
your business, right, when you run a football team or
you run a business off the what's most important is
it the general population? Is it what's best for the
populace or what's best for the individual, Right, So how
(23:00):
do you balance those two things?
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Yeah? Are you asking me that question?
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Well?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I ask myself that question every day, Like when I
go on the air and say, hey, Scott Servis needs
to be replaced.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I mean, I'm well aware of what that means for
hundreds of.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
People many you know, Yeah, I hear you. I think
one of the hardest things I've ever had to do
is let somebody go that I and I'm one of
those people who I will hold on for too long
thinking that I can fix it, thinking that I can
be a part of the solution, where really it's like
now that's that person's work or it's just not a
good fit. You know. It's one of the hardest things
(23:32):
I've had to do because to your point, like you
recognize the impact that it has on that person, on
their family, on their you know, But at the same time,
I think there's a way to do it correctly. You
do it with humility, you do it with compassion, you
do it with love. And ultimately, if you're making that decision,
it should be what's best for the company, the team, whatever,
(23:54):
but it also should be best for that person.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
So I hear you, Like Pete, He's going to join
us at five o'clock tonight, Pete Carroll. And one of
the things I want to ask him is, I was
always convinced that he would be able to write his
own exit.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
He's earned it, He's been here a long time.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
When he feels it's time to go, he's he's he
deserves that.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
But that's not what happened. He was let he was
literally let go. How surprised were.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
You by that? I mean, it's the nature of the business,
so honestly, not that surprised. You know. I feel for him.
I feel for his family, you know, he's I mean,
this football is all he has known us for so long,
you know, And I gotta be honest, I worry about
(24:42):
that part for him, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Post football, post football coaches and players of course.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
You know, and especially with Pete, like Pete, that this
is I mean, you saw it every day, the energy
that Pete brought to the practice field, to our team,
to that culture, like you know, you can't replicate that
outside of those outside of that field. And so you know,
I know he's fine. I know he will be fine.
He's got a great wife, he's got a great family,
(25:07):
he's got you know, he's got all the resources in
the world to around himself to you know, and and
I encourage him to do that all the time. But yeah,
it's it's hard mean to you, Pete Carroll, What did
Pete mean to me? I mean, you know, Pete's kind
(25:30):
of in his own category, because it's not just the
Pete that I've known as you know, his uh, his
colleague and his player, but also coming from Stanford and
having all of those rivalries against him, right, but then
also as a fan of USC for so long, right,
you know, I remember the USC Texas game, right, I remember,
(25:53):
just I just remember all of that. And so Pete
means not only you know, as a coach and as
a figure in the football world, but also and I
told him this on the bus one time we were
I think we were coming home from a game and
I think we had lost that game, and as you could,
you know, it's the environment was it was down a
(26:13):
little bit, and I told Pete, I was just like,
you know, I hope that you recognize that. You know,
not only are you the coach, you're the football coach
for a lot of these guys, but in some instances,
you are the you're the real you're the male role
model for these guys. And not to take that for granted.
You know, like a lot of these guys are looking
for leadership, they're looking for somebody to point them in
(26:33):
the right direction, and you have a privileged position to
be able to speak life into them, just like you know,
we were just saying, and not to take that for granted.
And he never did. And I don't think, you know,
he didn't need me to tell him that. He knew that,
but I just felt like in that moment, I needed
to remind him of the bigger picture. And Pete has
always been that and so I think more so than
(26:55):
the football aspect of it, It's just that Pete has
always been a good human being to me. And you know,
don't get me wrong, nobody's perfect, you know, but Pete
just he embodied he embodied waking up every day fighting
to be a better version of himself, and I respect
(27:16):
the hell out of that.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I asked you off if you had met the new
staff hit and you said, what not yet?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Why not? Those guys have been here for nine months?
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
For?
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Two reasons? Number one and just that's not the realm
of me in anymore. Right, My time and my energy
is spent elsewhere. And I just got a lot of
plates I'm juggling. But also I just feel like I
would be a distraction. And I know you said it
wouldn't be, but I genuinely feel that way. You know,
there's a certain energy that I can't help but have
(27:49):
when I walk into that building. You know, I walked
into that building every day for eight years, and you
know I carried myself a certain way and I can't
It doesn't go away overnight. And yes it's been five years,
but I actually was talking my life about this the
other day. I could during this time of year, there's
a certain energy that my body just naturally brings to
(28:12):
the surface. I can't control it. Wow, you know, I
have to be aware of it and have to mitigate
because of that, but it doesn't go away. And so
I just I need, I need this break for my
own mental health and well being, but also like it's
a whole new regime over there, and I love John.
John text me all the time. He's like, you would
love Mike, you know all the things. And I believe
(28:33):
them and I want them to do well. I want
nothing but success for them and for that organization. But
I'm in a new I'm just in a I'm in
a different time of my life. I'm in a different
space in my life, and I'm happy where I'm at.
I'm pursuing the things that I'm passionate about, and so
at some point I will Yeah, good, at some point
for sure.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Well, because all you guys deserve to go back there.
I mean, you're a ring of honor guy.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
But they're not. They're not not letting me come back,
I know exactly. They're always asking me you you.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Deserve to feel comfortable going back, and right now you
don't feel comfortable.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
But it has nothing to do with them. This is
my journey, this is my process, this is my work.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
You know.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I'm so grateful to that organization, to John, to Pete,
to all of the staff there that I've come to love. Yeah,
So there's no there's absolutely, no hard feelings there. Ah,
maybe you know, No, I'm joking, No, I absolutely, I'm
you know, even the hard times, the hard moments, you know,
(29:32):
even leaving in the fashion in which I did, like,
there was some heart, there was some friction there, there
were some hard stuff there. Right, But now you know,
at this stage of my life, I look back on
it with nothing but fond memories. I'm very grateful for that.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well, I mean you gave us fond memories for sure.
I mean you've grown up so much obviously. And I
told Doug Andrews I was going to ask you this
question on the air that when you go back and
you see the tape of the Super Bowl against the
Patriots and you had to touchdown I think against revis
and you proceeded to poop on the ball, what would
(30:05):
today's Doug Baldwin want to say to that?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Doug Baldwin, the hell are you doing?
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Yeah? No, I mean, listen, that's what you would say. Yeah,
I would. I would obviously being Doug Baldwin in that moment, right,
I understand the emotion and the thought process behind it. Right,
would I say it was right? No? I don't think
it was right. I do understand it. Again, going back
to what we said that that matchup and the comments
(30:34):
that were made prior to the game. It was personal
to me, right, you know. And I told I told Reevis,
I was like, look, he ain't throwing me the ball
right now. You and I both know I'm open and
when I catch this ball, I'm gonna on you. Yes,
it was personal, and so was reaction.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Remember what he said.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
He had no reaction. He walked away. And if you've noticed,
he hasn't said anything about it. He never Yeah, no,
because he knows we both know.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Wow, there's a book out there.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
You know that, right, I'm not right.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
You said that. You're that you have a journal.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Well it's it's a prayer journal, okay, all right, it's
not that kind of.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well we could start that journal.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
No, I mean there's a there's a book, and nobody's
written a book yet about that team or that game.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, I mean there's been like some like I think
Wickersham did something for dot com, but there's never been
any kind of a real approach it chronicling that thing.
It gets brought up and it pisses me off. There's
scars there. You said, you're ninety five percent there. Do
you realize and I think that you do, but I
want to hear you say it. What that team in
twenty thirteen meant and what that game in twenty fourteen
(31:42):
meant to people that we live in this matrix of
emotion for sure, where you're thinking about that game and
then I'm thinking about seeing Jermaine juggle that ball.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Which by the way, would be would be known as
one of the greatest catches of all time, all time,
My boy Jermaine question to.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Be right there with Stalworth and David right.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
I think it'd be higher than yes, correct, But it
was right.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
In front of me, And so for me it's personally,
you know why, because my dad was sitting next to me,
my mom was sitting next to me, my wife was
sitting next to me, and then what happened happened, And
so you never get over that as a sports fan,
and I wonder if players truly ever get over it,
and maybe if fans take this stuff a little harder
sometimes than players do.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Potentially, I think it's just it's different perspectives. Right as
a player, you're in it, You're in the weeds every day.
So you don't have the opportunity to zoom out and
look at the bigger picture all the time, whereas fans
like you see kind of the bigger narrative and you
are along the roller coaster ride right for us, it's
next play, it's next day, right, you drop a pass,
you got to throw that out the window and get
(32:45):
ready for the next place. You don't really have time
to sit in it as much, correct.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I gotta wait for you to do it again next Sunday.
I'm waiting for a week. You're going out there tomorrow.
I got to sit here and wallow for seven days.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
On Monday, I'm coming back in and I'm getting ready
for the next team. Yeah, I can't. I'm not wallowing.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
As you said in the don't you feel bad for
me now what you did to me.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
We're gonna break textimonials coming up, ask Doug Baldern edition
of Textimonials. Anything goes and then Pete Carroll will join
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