January 23, 2025 • 33 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain sit down for the hour with Hall of Fame finalist Mike Holmgren to talk about the Seahawks looking into more offensive coaches, Seattle’s quarterback choices, plus the NFC and AFC title games coming up.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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with Softy and Dish.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
All right, Jackson's yeah, look at me already. I gave
the website wrong. I apologize for that. You're the problems
right now.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Deck for me.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm just so nervous, so nervous, you are jumpy today.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
For give me, she does.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We got to be on our best behavior.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
We can't screw around when Gina, Gina, Kim, you weren't
nervous then.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
And that's really funny what your wife scares the how
out of me.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I mean, she's so friendly, she can't fortunately, she can't
hear you, you know, he says you scare him.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oh she took. I just want to behave myself right.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I mean, there's a impression that's me that some people have.
And I don't know what Kathy thinks of me, but
I want to leave a good impression with her. I
wanted to walk away thick and that's a real nice boy,
professional guy over.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You know what. You know all my daughters, you know, man,
they all have a very good impression of you.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Good. Good. I don't want to ruin that. How did
you do that? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
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Speaker 4 (01:31):
How are you good?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
God?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It feels like forever since we saw you, But you
saw you yesterday and this.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Dude I know in the studio. But Disneyland was fun. Yeah,
the grandkids had a blast and sudden we.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Did you like the Star Wars stuff? Did you do
that stuff?
Speaker 4 (01:44):
We did everything?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah? Oh my favorite ride though, my favorite ride, yeah, cars.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
That's a good one. California, Matcher, California.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Do they have the roller coasters still? Where you sit there,
just takes off the loop.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You didn't do that one.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I'm too big for that because it jerks me around.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I'm sorry, I shouldn't laugh at that.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, I have never been more exhausted ever than when
I went to Disneyland about six years ago with an
eight year old kid for two days, just beating the
crap out of me, punching me, kicking me, pulling me.
You had to be exhausted coming home from that trick.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yeah, But their parents were there, so I was just
kind of I was long for the ride.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
You're just started to pay for everything, right, Yeah, I
got okay when he came home by that day, I said, Dave,
that's Monday through Sunday for the rest I know. It
was like an eye opener for me. He's like, He's like,
it's so exhausting. I'm like, I got you on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
You know what I was doing at nine o'clock this morning.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
By the way, it's nothing, Okay, that's what happens when
you got dogs instead of kids. Well, here we go, man,
NFCU and AFC championship games on Sunday. Before we get
to all that, so let's talk about the Seahawks because
Dick just had that rapport from Albert Breer that the
Seahawks are considering hiring a passing game coordinator and a
run game coordinator. There's teams that have done this before.
(02:58):
It's not brand new, but still kind of unique. I
think around the NFL, how does that idea sit with you?
The initial idea of having two different guys, one guy
in charge of the run, one guy in charge of.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
The pass, Well, it depends what their titles are and
if what the expectation of that person is right. So,
if you'll hire a line coach fairly as an example,
as the offensive coordinator and then hire somebody else, are
they are they even Steven? Or is one guy really
in charge? And then the passing game coordinator is kind
of answering to him, So you have to really define that,
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you know, for them, so there's no there's no friction there. Listen.
Line coaches know a lot about the running game, know
very little about the passing game, right, you know, and
so you know what's more important? They're both important when
I call plays as an assistant coach, you know, when
I was coordinator for the forty nine ers, my running
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My line coach was Bob McKittrick, the best that ever
did it. He was didn't have a title, he was
a line coach, but I always referred to give me
something what he got good. You know. I rely on
him a lot for the running game, and I learned
it because of that. So it's just how they set
it up, I think is important. Thing.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Well, what I'm surprised to read was, I mean, I
guess I knew Tom Cable back in the day with
the Seahawks had the title of cole you know, with
like associate head coach or whatever. But I guess maybe
it was explained to me, at least in the paper
today that that he was in charge of calling the
run plays and Darryl Bebble was in charge of calling
the passing play. So I guess this wouldn't even necessarily
be unique to the Seahawks, and and it seemed to
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work okay back then. I mean, the Hawks were great,
a great football team, and those two guys were leading
the offense.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, but that's that's hard to do, to be honest,
that's hard to do. Now, you can do it the
way I did it and rely on him a little
bit and you have a run ready for me if
I need it, blah blah blah, that kind of thing.
But all of a sudden, you get in the play caller,
You get in the flow of the game, and you
should understand both the running part of passing part to
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get for it. Just it just adds one more little
thing that could screw it up really, so you know,
but if you can do it. A lot of times
it's the title, Am I in charge? Or is he
in charge? Right? You know?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And you need to have a guy in charge, right,
like the buck's got to stop with somebody, don't.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
You have to have a clear chain of command.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah, so you're going to you go into your offensive
meeting room with the coaches. Head coach isn't in there.
Mike's not in there. I don't think he probably is sometimes,
but he's not. Usually he's in the defensive meeting room.
And so who's running the meeting? You know that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So so Dick, sorry me, just so walk me through this,
Like logistically, schematically, I guess if they do what you're
talking about with Cable and Bevel, but it's Freiley and
Joe Blow doing your passing game.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And let's say they want to let's say.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
They want to run a running play or they want
to run a passing play.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Who decides?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, who decides exactly?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I mean, I'm asking, well, the flip a coin.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
There have been a couple of teams I think I
want to, I don't want to. Maybe John Robinson with
the Rams at one point had this set up that way,
a passing guy and a running guy, and he'd say
he he as the head coach, would say run boom,
that guy's ready pass boom.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Gotcha, Which makes sense, right if the head coach is
gonna do it, okay, fine, but yeah, he in essence
turns out to be the play caller.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Then no, the head coach, Yeah, well he doesn't call
the play, but he calls the type of play us.
You know, head, Yeah, it's it's it's easier if the
head coach just calls the plays like I did.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Coach Grant Udinsky, I don't know if you know the name,
but he's the assistant offensive coordinator and assistant quarterbacks coach
for the Vikings. He was he has been on the
list for the Hawks. He is twenty eight years of age.
How young is too young for an off a coordinator
position in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Well, that seems awful young to me, you know, But
the way the league has been going in the last
few years since Sean McVay won the Super Bowl at
thirty three when he got hired, Yeah, was he Yeah,
So you know, then it's a little I think people
look at that a little differently now, you know. I
think back again to my time I was in college
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high school coaching, college coaching, and I got my first
shot in the NFL. Was I was thirty five years
old as an assistant coach, you know, and then forty
four year forty three when I was got my head job.
So it's different now, it is, but it still seems
a little young to me, you know. I think there's
always a chance. Heck, Mike McDonald, he's really a good coach,
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but he seems little. He's young. Yeah, he's still young
and so but you've got guys now, you know, the
coach of Minnesota is a young guy, oh Colin, Yeah, so,
but twenty eight seems a little young. But listen, if
he's I trust his ability McDonald's ability to choose the
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right guy. If he sees this guy as the guy
who can do it obviously, you know, because he's very thorough.
I believe he's very thorough on his interviews and all
this stuff McDonald analyzes.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yes, have you you've got to know him a little
bit more, right, Yes? Have you learned anything about him
that maybe he didn't know?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Or a couple of things. I think. I think one
just how thorough he is, how he's conducting the interviews
and and and really checking every box. And you know,
to the point where I might say, hey, go with
your gut a little bit. You know you like the guy,
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do you? I mean, how's that working? Forget about the
football for a second, how's that working? And then but
you know he's, uh he's very thorough that way. And
he also has admitted I mean not just to me,
but other people too, that you know, is in the
list I'm in the league. He has not. He has
not developed this group of coaches yet that like I
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did with any Reid, I said, if I ever get
a head coach, ten years later, I was able to
hire him. You know, I'm you meet guys, you get
you get a list of people you know that you
know you would really want him on your staff. And
uh so, so that's that's also a little bit of
a challenge for him.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
We were talking today about the quarterback position, and obviously
our options are going to be Geno or someone that
is probably a lesser quarterback than Gino, because I don't
think there's a lot of better quarterbacks than Gino that
are even available. So what we were talking about today
is how much money would it take against the cap
savings for you actually to drop down a level.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
At at the quarterback position.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
So, for example, you know Russ is out there, Justin
Fields is out there, Kirk Cousins is out there, There's
guys with experience, but I don't think any of them
would be seen as Geno level quarterbacks. And and yet
they'd be much cheaper than Geno Smith. So you if
you were put into the position where GM like you were,
and you got to worry about the dollars, how much
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worse would you be willing to get at the position
if you knew you were saving quite a bit of money.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I think you know, Dick when you're doing that. And
I've told you guys this before that I always said,
before we get into the money with my money, guys,
really bright money guy, Before we get into the money.
This is the roster I want, and it's on the
but was on the board and there are salaries next
to this is and then you'd go, Okay, you knocked
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ten million off this guy. What is to do to
the you know, it's very interesting that what they put together.
Then you go there. If you if I couldn't find
in my mind someone that was very close to the
quarterback I had, I wouldn't do it. Yeah, you wouldn't
do it because it shows in the playoffs teams if
you don't have that guy, you don't have much of
(10:58):
a shot to get in there. Usually. Yeah, and uh
so that's it's a tough call if it's a huge
amount of money, right, you know, and it allows you
to fill up two or three other positions because of
that move, right then, But then the quarterback you get
has to be pretty close.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, I think is Russell Wilson pretty close? Right now?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Would you bring him back? If you could save this
is the kind of stuff we talk about when you're
not here.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
By the way, I know, all right, well hypothetically.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, exactly, if you could save twenty five million dollars,
but you got to go from Geno to Russell, would
you do it?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Wow, if you could save forty millions, which is what
you would if you went to kirk Cousins. Yeah, because
he's being paid by the Vikings, Yeah, or the Falcons
rather right?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Would you? I mean and I retired, by the way,
would you go that direction.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
If you think he could still play?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
He had a tough year in Atlanta, he.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Did so he was one year off an Achilles and yeah,
two years off.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
No, that's it. And I have to be very very
sure that that Achilles didn't end is essentially ended for him. Yeah, yeah,
you know, Uh, that'd be a tough one. Age factors
into this. If I'm gonna do all that for a
quarterback for one year.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
If you could save one hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Dollars million, two hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
You're a Kirkland condo but live in a motel Sex,
what'd you do it?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
That's a lot of money, Mike, A lot of money, Mike.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
But then I never see that money.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's right, she would see because she'd be walking. Hey,
before we get to the next segment. Uh, did you
know Bob Yucker at all? Yeah, we haven't talked to
you since Bobuker pas Oh yeah, tell me about your
Bob Ucker interactions.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Well, he he was one of the great guys I've
ever met. We played in the Lombardi Golf Classic every
year to raise money, yep, for cancer. And so he, uh,
he was in my foursome.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
And so it was Leslie Nielson, you know, I mean, oh,
Bob Yucker.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
So actually it was a threesome. So they t you off,
and it's I'm nervous because it's like the US Open.
There's crowds, there's people, it's a narrow thing. I'm afraid
I'm gonna kill somebody. You know. Uker gets up, hits
the ball, hits the ground, ball smacks a lady, a
grounded snacks a lady and yells out, hey, let's move
over there, let's move But of course he goes over
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and they laughed because he's big in Milwaukee. Then I
get up to t off. I get up. He had
a whoope, cushion that farted. So he blasts this big
thing in the book. He and Leslie Nielsen go oh okay, gee,
we gotta play with you god. So everyone's laughing.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
What a dream parrot?
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Did you ever made a word in edge.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Why?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yeah, Kathy rode over in the car with Leslie Nielson.
I think, really to the thing? Yeah, put on cow
but uh, you know she she was having a headache,
so she's a nurse, so she got a bunch of
but no, here, take these here?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
How do we not know this?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I've known you for thirty years and this is the
first time I've been told that you golf with Leslie
Nielsen and Bob Uker Are.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
You kidding me?
Speaker 4 (14:03):
And also the dentist on Bob Newhart Show. Remember him? No,
the dennist to Bob Newarts Show.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
I just remember Bob NewART. I don't think I remember remember.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
The Dennis Jerry Dame.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
God, that is fricking awesome. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
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Speaker 7 (14:23):
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dinner after the show with her? By the way, because
it's Thursday night, it's your night, it's my name.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
No, I have a special surprise planned. I'm sorry. It's
not gonna be here though.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Okay, you're gonna go home and make dinner for and
maybe I'll throw some nice cologne on or something else.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I'll tell you about it next week.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
It's not the QF KFC down the street.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
KFC said KFC or KFC, because there's both.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
There's ball way well, if you ever need any advice
from us, just still let us know, all right and
do the opposite. Uh, Mike home grins here. We got
the conference championship games on Sunday. I'm sure you're pulling
for Andy Reid right in the game on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
There's there's a yes.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Can we assume that?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Well? Listen, I've been pulling from honestly, and then now
all of a sudden they play Kansas City, So I'm
kind of I'm kind of torn. I know it's gonna
be a great game, and that's the game I want
to watch. Andy, you know, has won a lot already.
His his legacy is his set. Yeah, but but uh,
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normally speaking, yes, I've always pulled for him. Yep.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I was thinking about you watching those games, especially those
snow games this weekend, and I wanted to ask you
if you knew snow was in the forecast for a
big game, would you practice, would you have a snow
machine come in, would you be like blow ice on
the field, would you do something to get your teams ready?
Because LA lost because of the snow, I think I
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mean those fumbles Lamar Jackson because the cold.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
I don't think he drops that football if it's not cold.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I mean they could have both lost those games simply
because of the weather.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
This, yeah, I know. And when I went to Green Bay, Uh, there,
they had a thing that they would practice Forrest Greg
and those guys when they were co Cha. They'd practice
out in the ice and snow to get them ready
for Sunday. The problem with that I so I said, Okay,
that's how you do it. I'm from California, you know.
So we did it. You couldn't practice, you didn't practice
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as lousy you guys slipping just awful. So I said, okay,
and the players players, it was awful, and so they
didn't like it. I could tell. So I said, We're
going to go practice indoors. Now that means that then,
but we got the challenge on Sunday and that worked
well for us, it really did. We practiced, we got
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our practice right, we knew what we wanted to do,
and then we dealt with the weather on Sunday. And
because they live in a cold area, it doesn't shock
you quite as much. I remember we played Tampa. Tony
Dunjo as a coach Tampa Dy had he come up
there in a playoff game Atlanta, and he come up
there in a playoff game and they get off the bus.
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They're playing snowballs and all that. But I knew, I
knew they didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
That's right. Well you just said a second even pulling
for Buffalo, Why.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Well they you know they've shoot, they went to the
super Bowl four years and didn't win. I like, I
liked their quarterback a lot. I like to coach a lot.
And uh so, I you know, it's just it's a
new it's a new new team.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And ye, But the point about thirty four years ago
they lost four in a row, yes, which was just
I mean, I can't even imagine. No, oh r, losing
one is hard enough. Can you imagine losing four straight
if you're Marv Levy? And how how would you even
deal with that as a head coach? No, you know
you could.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I don't expect you ask Kathy this now. But when
we lost to Denver San Diego, I think I've told
you I was really kind of screwed up for a
couple of months, honestly, until my daughter, who's the doctor, said, look,
if you looked at the film. No, I don't want
to look at the film. Look at the film. Yeah, yeah,
And I finally looked at the film and it was
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kind of a cleansing thing. But honestly, it goofed me
four times. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I don't know you ever watch the uh Pittsburgh tape.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Uh I did. I did right away, you know, I
did right away, and UH got angry all over again.
And then when Mike Pereira came out a couple weeks
later to kind of talk to us about what the
officiating took place in the game in the meaning, I
got angry all over again. I was in the airport
at Disneyland. Some guy came up and said, Hey, I
(19:37):
think you got hosed in that Pittsburgh game. I could
thank you. I've I've been over it for twenty years
and now you're bringing up back.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Oh my god, that Pittsburgh game. I mean you had
a tied end with the Dropsies in that game.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah we did.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Yes, we did nothing like Mark Andrews.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Oh god, how would.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
You have dealt with Mark Andrews in the locker room
after that game?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Well?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I would have done, uh you know, he look, he's
a great player, has done so many good things for them.
I would try and console him to be honest, you
know what I mean. Heck, he's he got him. He's
one of the reasons they're there. We had a defensive
back now the name escapes me, really a great kid,
and we lost to San Diego because he came up
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San Diego Chargers late in the season. Who's there? Who
is that safety came up and he busted coverage and
they threw a touchdown pass.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Talking for the Seahawks, No, that was that was a
difference was in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
I should know his name, but and then he was
in the locker room. He was there after he's ying
his eyes out and I remember just hugging him, just
going up and everyone had kind of gone. So it
was a big thing. But you know, they want they
wanted badly, and when something like that happens. As the coach,
I think you got to be like the father a
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little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, you know, Well, he finally talked today. Mark Andrews
did actually isn't talking on social media, but he didn't
say anything. And for four days, yeah, he didn't do
the media. He didn't talk on Monday, and then today
he finally comes out. Would you tell him that he
needs to address the fans and the media. Lamar did
after the game was over, but Mark Andrews did not.
Would that bother you? If Mark Andrews just said, you
(21:17):
know what, I don't want to talk to anybody. I'm
gonna go home and I put my head, you know,
in a pillow, and I'll come out when I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I think you I'd have that conversation with him. But
I think what Mark probably said, and they probably had
the conversation or with somebody, you know, with John Harbor
or somebody, and he and he said, I can't, I
can't I bust out crying, I do something and embarrass
himself that way in his own mind. So no, but
(21:43):
now at some point, at some point, you're gonna have
to say something. Yeah, you know, but right away. I
don't think you make him do that. No.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
I'm thinking about Detroit coach, and this may have been
their best shot. I mean, their quarterback not getting any younger.
They just lost both coordinators to a head coach that's
not an x as an OS guy.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
He's a raw, raw, kicking the butt guy. Right, So are.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
We looking at Detroit being as good next year as
they were this season?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
You think I think so, you know, I have a
lot of confidence in their coach. When he was first hired,
and he said, remember the press conferences like the kneecaps
and all this stuff, and I'm going, who was this guy? So?
But his players clearly love him. He is good with
his coaches. I know that, however, the challenge will be
(22:37):
And I remember talking to Parcels about this after we
won the Super Bowl. We played them the next year,
maybe in a preseason game, and he goes, let me
just say this. He goes, he won the Super Bowl
last year. You got a good team, but we lost
some coach. The hardest thing that you have to fix
is they're going to come after your coaches. And if
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you lose coach is replacing them. It's never quite the
same as your first group. And he was right right,
that was true.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Back to the Mark Andrews thing, just quickly, how much
of that would you put on Lamar Jackson for the
throw he made?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
It wasn't a perfect throw, but it was certainly catchable,
you know, I mean Lamar Jackson. No, I wouldn't put
too much on Lamar Jackson on that. It was a throw.
Look it, he's caught. He's made catches, unbelievable catches a
much harder than that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Right, if he makes that catch, nobody's going, my god,
what an amazing, wonderful catch he made.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
No, I'll tell you what I say. In my brief
time with the Cardinals, the tight end was Jackie Smith
and he later went to Dallas. Unbelievable tight end, really good.
And remember in the Super Bowl he dropped that ball
right right in his gut to win the game, and
that was tight end. And it's just those types of
things I think do stay with you, though a little
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bit longer than most things.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Well, you're looking at four quarterbacks left, and they all
can run, they all and extend to play.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
They can all get a first down with their legs.
I mean, Jayden Daniels does even more than that.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Do you have to now scout quarterbacks out of college
differently and say, hey, it's not just a little minus
if you can't run, it's a huge red flag if
you can't run.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, I think, given given the way the guys are
playing right now and who's who's in the finals, and
that factors in more than the initial evaluation. I remember
going around the country and Bill when I was forty niners.
He had me. I would all over the place looking
at the quarterbacks in the draft, and I'd come back
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and have to report that to the to the offensive team.
And passing the ball. Your ability to pass the balls
number one. Okay, Now, movement And we used to say
movement then have to be a great runner. But movement
in the pocket and avoidability and things like that. Now
I think that second thing changes because I used to
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worry about guys getting hurt. You're gonna get up, you know,
get hit more and you know, but clearly these guys,
but you got to be able to pass the ball.
That's the number one thing.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, you ever take a job in the NFL or
anywhere based on somebody else getting fired, because we may
have just had that happen in the NFL. I'm gonna
ask you about that next on ninety three three kJ RFM.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
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Speaker 2 (25:38):
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some winners on the year the Wednesday before the game.
So we talked about this just briefly going into the segment.
Have you ever been in a situation where you were
going to take a job or somebody else was going
to take a job based on somebody else losing their job?
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
By the way, when I just told you there, and
I bring it up because Liam Cohen, who's the offensive
coordinator of Tampa Bay, apparently the timeline was the Jaguars
wanted him to be their head coach. He said no,
told the Buccaneers He's going back to Tampa Bay to
be the OC like Ben Johnson turned out a bunch
of jobs last year. Then the Jaguars fire their general
manager and then Liam Cohen gets on a plane and
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goes up to Jacksonville to interview for the Jaguar job.
So they thinking is that Liam Cohen had no interest
in taking the job unless the Jaguars fired Trent Balky,
which they now have.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
That makes sense. I mean no, I mean we don't
know that for sure, but that makes sense. If you're
going if you're a head coach, head coaching candidate, and
you go in, but you don't like this setup, but
you really like the place to go to coach, you know,
you might that comes out. That probably comes out in
the interview at some point in a subtle way. Perhaps
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you know, the team might say, well, what if we
did this, what if we did this? Well, they hadn't
done yet, so you just want to make sure. So
he he called her bluff, he left, Well they did it,
he comes back. So I think that was probably part
of the discussion in some way.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Would you have any problem with a guy making a
verbal agreement and then renegging on it because he had
a different offer someplace else, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I would, you know, I would. I would. That would
bother me, you know, I'm but look at you. Listen,
We've been together a long time, the three of us,
and I think I'm I'm kind of a handshake guy
and that's all it takes. I'm not gonna do that
and then go go that way, right, And so I
expect maybe the expectations to eye them, you know, but
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that's how I'm gonna work. But yeah, that would bother
me if that happened.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
If you wanted one of us fired to keep doing
this radio show, which one would you want fired?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Oh gosh, hypotheticals. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Between the two of us. You got to pick one
to whack. Who do you pick?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I'm not ready. I'm not ready to say you sure, yes.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Okay, I saw that wink.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
By the way, I went to.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
My Congrid's with us from the five to twenty bar
and Grail.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You know the thing about Buffalo you mentioned, Hey man,
it's been thirty four years since they lost four in
a row. Would that be a part of your speech
if you're Sean McDermott saying, look, we can do something
really special here for this town. Millin's made the point
before that between the sabers and the bills and everything
they've they've never had a parade effort effort.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Would that be a part of your motivation?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Sure that, you absolutely talk about that, But then if
the parade is going to be an eight feet of snow,
forget it. Maybe they have to go inside or something.
I don't know, but no, that's no, that's but you
don't dwell on that. You know, you mentioned the players know.
The players know, But I mean, it's okay for the
team to understand the history of the franchise. You know,
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it's okay. You know when I when I talk when
we won the Super Bowl. You know in Green Bay,
you've seen it on TV when I said, this trophy
means a lot to everybody, but it means more to
you because look who's name's on it, you know, And
so the history you've you should talk about that. I
think with your team.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Safi tweeted out about Saquon Barkle, they potentially be in
the real MVP of the league, and I kind of
agree with him. As great as Lamar Jackson and Josh
Allen is And of course those teams aren't nearly the
team that they are.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Without those two quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
But Saquon is carrying the Philadelphia Eagles and probably will
carry him to the Super Bowl because the Commanders aren't
very good at stopping the run. I mean, are we
ever going to see a running back win the MVP
If you don't have a two thousand yard running back
get the MVP or we ever gonna see one.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
No, I think I think the quarterbacks always get the
edge from the MVP voting, you know, I think, and
there have been a lot of great running backs. But
you're right, Dick, if without him, without him, that offense
changes dramatically.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Jalen Hurts has to pass, which his.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Area's dramatically changed, I think. But then you know another
thing you look at You're the New York Giants. Oh okay,
and one of the big moves in the offseason, I'll
let him go, right, yeah, yeah, Oh my goodness. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
That's kind of one of the reasons why I'm rooting
for Philadelphia because I got a cousin who's a Giants fan,
and he's gonna go bananas if if Barkley makes the
Super Bowl, you will throw refrigerators out of windows if the.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
If the Eagles make that game.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But you know, look, I mean, I just think there's
never been I don't remember a player who's had this
big of an impact on a team, a non quarterback,
ben Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
You're right, it's it's I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I I think he almost saves Syriana his job to
be totally honest with you.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
You know you're right. And from everything I read here,
he he's a great football player. We know that, people
see that. But off the field, in the locker room,
he has been a I think, a kind of a
quiet leader. The people, the guys respond to him and
the teammate they everyone, everyone plays better because of who
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he is, aside from his greatness himself. And so if
you get guys like that on your team and you
know it's you can't you can't talk about him enough.
And I was gonna say, he can't pay him enough,
but they'll figure out how to pay him. I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Well, you're Dan Quinn and you're preparing for let's face it,
a one dimensional Philadelphia offense. Now, they got a couple
of good receivers, but they have not been consistent in
the passing game at all. I mean, you give how
do you prepare and and do you give them a
realistic chance to win this game?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I do, I really do. Maybe it's because I'm pulling
for them, you know, I'd like to see I like Dan,
and I'm pulling for them, and I think their story
this year is really one of the great stories in
the league. He is a defensive coach, Dan Quinn defensive
head coach. There they were going in, they'll go in
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with the idea, now you got to play defense against everybody.
But basically the way we have to win, we have
to slow him down to win. They came, we have
to slow him down. How do we do that? So
you're gonna see eight guys in the box almost the
whole game, I think, because if you don't and he
sees a little crack there, he's showing he just can
go along and he blows you up by himself, right,
(32:37):
And so that's I think that's the main thrust they'll
be with their defense. Uh. Now having said that, then
you'll see, you know, uh, the quarterback can still throw
the ball a little bit. And they got some good
receivers and all that. They got a good team Philadelphia.
But you got to stop the run, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Well listen, man, it's always fun to have you here,
and even funner when you bring your better half with you.
So enjoy y you kids don't get two nuts tonight?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Okay, No, be home by nine o'clock.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
No, I got I got a limo outside of the change.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Do you know I would not be shocked if that
was the truth. By the way, all right, go get him.
How fun tonight we're talking a week all right? Path
thanks all right, Mike over and with us here from
the five twenty bar and grill we're gonna break. Andrew
Mnier from Motley Futures, you're gonna jump on and kind
of tell us where things are with the nil era
over at U dub those things changing all the time,
kind of get us updated and what's happening with that,
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that and more. Mike Benton joining us around six fifteen
before cracking capitals at six thirty face off at seven.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
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right now.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm just so nervous, so nervous, you are jumpy today.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
For give me, she does.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We got to be on our best behavior.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
We can't screw around when Gina, Gina, Kim, you weren't
nervous then.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
And that's really funny what your wife scares the how
out of me.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I mean, she's so friendly, she can't fortunately, she can't
hear you, you know, he says you scare him.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oh she took. I just want to behave myself right.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I mean, there's a impression that's me that some people have.
And I don't know what Kathy thinks of me, but
I want to leave a good impression with her. I
wanted to walk away thick and that's a real nice boy,
professional guy over.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You know what. You know all my daughters, you know, man,
they all have a very good impression of you.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
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Speaker 4 (01:31):
How are you good?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
God?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It feels like forever since we saw you, But you
saw you yesterday and this.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Dude I know in the studio. But Disneyland was fun. Yeah,
the grandkids had a blast and sudden we.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Did you like the Star Wars stuff? Did you do
that stuff?
Speaker 4 (01:44):
We did everything?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah? Oh my favorite ride though, my favorite ride, yeah, cars.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
That's a good one. California, Matcher, California.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Do they have the roller coasters still? Where you sit there,
just takes off the loop.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You didn't do that one.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I'm too big for that because it jerks me around.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I'm sorry, I shouldn't laugh at that.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, I have never been more exhausted ever than when
I went to Disneyland about six years ago with an
eight year old kid for two days, just beating the
crap out of me, punching me, kicking me, pulling me.
You had to be exhausted coming home from that trick.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yeah, But their parents were there, so I was just
kind of I was long for the ride.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
You're just started to pay for everything, right, Yeah, I
got okay when he came home by that day, I said, Dave,
that's Monday through Sunday for the rest I know. It
was like an eye opener for me. He's like, He's like,
it's so exhausting. I'm like, I got you on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
You know what I was doing at nine o'clock this morning.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
By the way, it's nothing, Okay, that's what happens when
you got dogs instead of kids. Well, here we go, man,
NFCU and AFC championship games on Sunday. Before we get
to all that, so let's talk about the Seahawks because
Dick just had that rapport from Albert Breer that the
Seahawks are considering hiring a passing game coordinator and a
run game coordinator. There's teams that have done this before.
(02:58):
It's not brand new, but still kind of unique. I
think around the NFL, how does that idea sit with you?
The initial idea of having two different guys, one guy
in charge of the run, one guy in charge of.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
The pass, Well, it depends what their titles are and
if what the expectation of that person is right. So,
if you'll hire a line coach fairly as an example,
as the offensive coordinator and then hire somebody else, are
they are they even Steven? Or is one guy really
in charge? And then the passing game coordinator is kind
of answering to him, So you have to really define that,
(03:31):
you know, for them, so there's no there's no friction there. Listen.
Line coaches know a lot about the running game, know
very little about the passing game, right, you know, and
so you know what's more important? They're both important when
I call plays as an assistant coach, you know, when
I was coordinator for the forty nine ers, my running
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My line coach was Bob McKittrick, the best that ever
did it. He was didn't have a title, he was
a line coach, but I always referred to give me
something what he got good. You know. I rely on
him a lot for the running game, and I learned
it because of that. So it's just how they set
it up, I think is important. Thing.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Well, what I'm surprised to read was, I mean, I
guess I knew Tom Cable back in the day with
the Seahawks had the title of cole you know, with
like associate head coach or whatever. But I guess maybe
it was explained to me, at least in the paper
today that that he was in charge of calling the
run plays and Darryl Bebble was in charge of calling
the passing play. So I guess this wouldn't even necessarily
be unique to the Seahawks, and and it seemed to
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work okay back then. I mean, the Hawks were great,
a great football team, and those two guys were leading
the offense.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, but that's that's hard to do, to be honest,
that's hard to do. Now, you can do it the
way I did it and rely on him a little
bit and you have a run ready for me if
I need it, blah blah blah, that kind of thing.
But all of a sudden, you get in the play caller,
You get in the flow of the game, and you
should understand both the running part of passing part to
(05:02):
get for it. Just it just adds one more little
thing that could screw it up really, so you know,
but if you can do it. A lot of times
it's the title, Am I in charge? Or is he
in charge? Right? You know?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And you need to have a guy in charge, right,
like the buck's got to stop with somebody, don't.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
You have to have a clear chain of command.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah, so you're going to you go into your offensive
meeting room with the coaches. Head coach isn't in there.
Mike's not in there. I don't think he probably is sometimes,
but he's not. Usually he's in the defensive meeting room.
And so who's running the meeting? You know that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So so Dick, sorry me, just so walk me through this,
Like logistically, schematically, I guess if they do what you're
talking about with Cable and Bevel, but it's Freiley and
Joe Blow doing your passing game.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And let's say they want to let's say.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
They want to run a running play or they want
to run a passing play.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Who decides?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, who decides exactly?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I mean, I'm asking, well, the flip a coin.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
There have been a couple of teams I think I
want to, I don't want to. Maybe John Robinson with
the Rams at one point had this set up that way,
a passing guy and a running guy, and he'd say
he he as the head coach, would say run boom,
that guy's ready pass boom.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Gotcha, Which makes sense, right if the head coach is
gonna do it, okay, fine, but yeah, he in essence
turns out to be the play caller.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Then no, the head coach, Yeah, well he doesn't call
the play, but he calls the type of play us.
You know, head, Yeah, it's it's it's easier if the
head coach just calls the plays like I did.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Coach Grant Udinsky, I don't know if you know the name,
but he's the assistant offensive coordinator and assistant quarterbacks coach
for the Vikings. He was he has been on the
list for the Hawks. He is twenty eight years of age.
How young is too young for an off a coordinator
position in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Well, that seems awful young to me, you know, But
the way the league has been going in the last
few years since Sean McVay won the Super Bowl at
thirty three when he got hired, Yeah, was he Yeah,
So you know, then it's a little I think people
look at that a little differently now, you know. I
think back again to my time I was in college
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high school coaching, college coaching, and I got my first
shot in the NFL. Was I was thirty five years
old as an assistant coach, you know, and then forty
four year forty three when I was got my head job.
So it's different now, it is, but it still seems
a little young to me, you know. I think there's
always a chance. Heck, Mike McDonald, he's really a good coach,
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but he seems little. He's young. Yeah, he's still young
and so but you've got guys now, you know, the
coach of Minnesota is a young guy, oh Colin, Yeah, so,
but twenty eight seems a little young. But listen, if
he's I trust his ability McDonald's ability to choose the
(08:06):
right guy. If he sees this guy as the guy
who can do it obviously, you know, because he's very thorough.
I believe he's very thorough on his interviews and all
this stuff McDonald analyzes.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yes, have you you've got to know him a little
bit more, right, Yes? Have you learned anything about him
that maybe he didn't know?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Or a couple of things. I think. I think one
just how thorough he is, how he's conducting the interviews
and and and really checking every box. And you know,
to the point where I might say, hey, go with
your gut a little bit. You know you like the guy,
(08:44):
do you? I mean, how's that working? Forget about the
football for a second, how's that working? And then but
you know he's, uh he's very thorough that way. And
he also has admitted I mean not just to me,
but other people too, that you know, is in the
list I'm in the league. He has not. He has
not developed this group of coaches yet that like I
(09:07):
did with any Reid, I said, if I ever get
a head coach, ten years later, I was able to
hire him. You know, I'm you meet guys, you get
you get a list of people you know that you
know you would really want him on your staff. And
uh so, so that's that's also a little bit of
a challenge for him.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
We were talking today about the quarterback position, and obviously
our options are going to be Geno or someone that
is probably a lesser quarterback than Gino, because I don't
think there's a lot of better quarterbacks than Gino that
are even available. So what we were talking about today
is how much money would it take against the cap
savings for you actually to drop down a level.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
At at the quarterback position.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
So, for example, you know Russ is out there, Justin
Fields is out there, Kirk Cousins is out there, There's
guys with experience, but I don't think any of them
would be seen as Geno level quarterbacks. And and yet
they'd be much cheaper than Geno Smith. So you if
you were put into the position where GM like you were,
and you got to worry about the dollars, how much
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worse would you be willing to get at the position
if you knew you were saving quite a bit of money.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I think you know, Dick when you're doing that. And
I've told you guys this before that I always said,
before we get into the money with my money, guys,
really bright money guy, Before we get into the money.
This is the roster I want, and it's on the
but was on the board and there are salaries next
to this is and then you'd go, Okay, you knocked
(10:35):
ten million off this guy. What is to do to
the you know, it's very interesting that what they put together.
Then you go there. If you if I couldn't find
in my mind someone that was very close to the
quarterback I had, I wouldn't do it. Yeah, you wouldn't
do it because it shows in the playoffs teams if
you don't have that guy, you don't have much of
(10:58):
a shot to get in there. Usually. Yeah, and uh
so that's it's a tough call if it's a huge
amount of money, right, you know, and it allows you
to fill up two or three other positions because of
that move, right then, But then the quarterback you get
has to be pretty close.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, I think is Russell Wilson pretty close? Right now?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Would you bring him back? If you could save this
is the kind of stuff we talk about when you're
not here.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
By the way, I know, all right, well hypothetically.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, exactly, if you could save twenty five million dollars,
but you got to go from Geno to Russell, would
you do it?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Wow, if you could save forty millions, which is what
you would if you went to kirk Cousins. Yeah, because
he's being paid by the Vikings, Yeah, or the Falcons
rather right?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Would you? I mean and I retired, by the way,
would you go that direction.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
If you think he could still play?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
He had a tough year in Atlanta, he.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Did so he was one year off an Achilles and yeah,
two years off.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
No, that's it. And I have to be very very
sure that that Achilles didn't end is essentially ended for him. Yeah, yeah,
you know, Uh, that'd be a tough one. Age factors
into this. If I'm gonna do all that for a
quarterback for one year.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
If you could save one hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Dollars million, two hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
You're a Kirkland condo but live in a motel Sex,
what'd you do it?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
That's a lot of money, Mike, A lot of money, Mike.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
But then I never see that money.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's right, she would see because she'd be walking. Hey,
before we get to the next segment. Uh, did you
know Bob Yucker at all? Yeah, we haven't talked to
you since Bobuker pas Oh yeah, tell me about your
Bob Ucker interactions.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Well, he he was one of the great guys I've
ever met. We played in the Lombardi Golf Classic every
year to raise money, yep, for cancer. And so he, uh,
he was in my foursome.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
And so it was Leslie Nielson, you know, I mean, oh,
Bob Yucker.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
So actually it was a threesome. So they t you off,
and it's I'm nervous because it's like the US Open.
There's crowds, there's people, it's a narrow thing. I'm afraid
I'm gonna kill somebody. You know. Uker gets up, hits
the ball, hits the ground, ball smacks a lady, a
grounded snacks a lady and yells out, hey, let's move
over there, let's move But of course he goes over
(13:17):
and they laughed because he's big in Milwaukee. Then I
get up to t off. I get up. He had
a whoope, cushion that farted. So he blasts this big
thing in the book. He and Leslie Nielsen go oh okay, gee,
we gotta play with you god. So everyone's laughing.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
What a dream parrot?
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Did you ever made a word in edge.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Why?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yeah, Kathy rode over in the car with Leslie Nielson.
I think, really to the thing? Yeah, put on cow
but uh, you know she she was having a headache,
so she's a nurse, so she got a bunch of
but no, here, take these here?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
How do we not know this?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I've known you for thirty years and this is the
first time I've been told that you golf with Leslie
Nielsen and Bob Uker Are.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
You kidding me?
Speaker 4 (14:03):
And also the dentist on Bob Newhart Show. Remember him? No,
the dennist to Bob Newarts Show.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
I just remember Bob NewART. I don't think I remember remember.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
The Dennis Jerry Dame.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
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Speaker 2 (14:16):
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(15:17):
dinner after the show with her? By the way, because
it's Thursday night, it's your night, it's my name.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
No, I have a special surprise planned. I'm sorry. It's
not gonna be here though.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Okay, you're gonna go home and make dinner for and
maybe I'll throw some nice cologne on or something else.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I'll tell you about it next week.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
It's not the QF KFC down the street.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
KFC said KFC or KFC, because there's both.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
There's ball way well, if you ever need any advice
from us, just still let us know, all right and
do the opposite. Uh, Mike home grins here. We got
the conference championship games on Sunday. I'm sure you're pulling
for Andy Reid right in the game on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
There's there's a yes.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Can we assume that?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Well? Listen, I've been pulling from honestly, and then now
all of a sudden they play Kansas City, So I'm
kind of I'm kind of torn. I know it's gonna
be a great game, and that's the game I want
to watch. Andy, you know, has won a lot already.
His his legacy is his set. Yeah, but but uh,
(16:18):
normally speaking, yes, I've always pulled for him. Yep.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I was thinking about you watching those games, especially those
snow games this weekend, and I wanted to ask you
if you knew snow was in the forecast for a
big game, would you practice, would you have a snow
machine come in, would you be like blow ice on
the field, would you do something to get your teams ready?
Because LA lost because of the snow, I think I
(16:44):
mean those fumbles Lamar Jackson because the cold.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
I don't think he drops that football if it's not cold.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I mean they could have both lost those games simply
because of the weather.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
This, yeah, I know. And when I went to Green Bay, Uh, there,
they had a thing that they would practice Forrest Greg
and those guys when they were co Cha. They'd practice
out in the ice and snow to get them ready
for Sunday. The problem with that I so I said, Okay,
that's how you do it. I'm from California, you know.
So we did it. You couldn't practice, you didn't practice
(17:14):
as lousy you guys slipping just awful. So I said, okay,
and the players players, it was awful, and so they
didn't like it. I could tell. So I said, We're
going to go practice indoors. Now that means that then,
but we got the challenge on Sunday and that worked
well for us, it really did. We practiced, we got
(17:35):
our practice right, we knew what we wanted to do,
and then we dealt with the weather on Sunday. And
because they live in a cold area, it doesn't shock
you quite as much. I remember we played Tampa. Tony
Dunjo as a coach Tampa Dy had he come up
there in a playoff game Atlanta, and he come up
there in a playoff game and they get off the bus.
(17:55):
They're playing snowballs and all that. But I knew, I
knew they didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
That's right. Well you just said a second even pulling
for Buffalo, Why.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Well they you know they've shoot, they went to the
super Bowl four years and didn't win. I like, I
liked their quarterback a lot. I like to coach a lot.
And uh so, I you know, it's just it's a
new it's a new new team.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And ye, But the point about thirty four years ago
they lost four in a row, yes, which was just
I mean, I can't even imagine. No, oh r, losing
one is hard enough. Can you imagine losing four straight
if you're Marv Levy? And how how would you even
deal with that as a head coach? No, you know
you could.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I don't expect you ask Kathy this now. But when
we lost to Denver San Diego, I think I've told
you I was really kind of screwed up for a
couple of months, honestly, until my daughter, who's the doctor, said, look,
if you looked at the film. No, I don't want
to look at the film. Look at the film. Yeah, yeah,
And I finally looked at the film and it was
(19:02):
kind of a cleansing thing. But honestly, it goofed me
four times. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I don't know you ever watch the uh Pittsburgh tape.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Uh I did. I did right away, you know, I
did right away, and UH got angry all over again.
And then when Mike Pereira came out a couple weeks
later to kind of talk to us about what the
officiating took place in the game in the meaning, I
got angry all over again. I was in the airport
at Disneyland. Some guy came up and said, Hey, I
(19:37):
think you got hosed in that Pittsburgh game. I could
thank you. I've I've been over it for twenty years
and now you're bringing up back.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Oh my god, that Pittsburgh game. I mean you had
a tied end with the Dropsies in that game.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah we did.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Yes, we did nothing like Mark Andrews.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Oh god, how would.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
You have dealt with Mark Andrews in the locker room
after that game?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Well?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I would have done, uh you know, he look, he's
a great player, has done so many good things for them.
I would try and console him to be honest, you
know what I mean. Heck, he's he got him. He's
one of the reasons they're there. We had a defensive
back now the name escapes me, really a great kid,
and we lost to San Diego because he came up
(20:21):
San Diego Chargers late in the season. Who's there? Who
is that safety came up and he busted coverage and
they threw a touchdown pass.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Talking for the Seahawks, No, that was that was a
difference was in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
I should know his name, but and then he was
in the locker room. He was there after he's ying
his eyes out and I remember just hugging him, just
going up and everyone had kind of gone. So it
was a big thing. But you know, they want they
wanted badly, and when something like that happens. As the coach,
I think you got to be like the father a
(20:55):
little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, you know, Well, he finally talked today. Mark Andrews
did actually isn't talking on social media, but he didn't
say anything. And for four days, yeah, he didn't do
the media. He didn't talk on Monday, and then today
he finally comes out. Would you tell him that he
needs to address the fans and the media. Lamar did
after the game was over, but Mark Andrews did not.
Would that bother you? If Mark Andrews just said, you
(21:17):
know what, I don't want to talk to anybody. I'm
gonna go home and I put my head, you know,
in a pillow, and I'll come out when I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I think you I'd have that conversation with him. But
I think what Mark probably said, and they probably had
the conversation or with somebody, you know, with John Harbor
or somebody, and he and he said, I can't, I
can't I bust out crying, I do something and embarrass
himself that way in his own mind. So no, but
(21:43):
now at some point, at some point, you're gonna have
to say something. Yeah, you know, but right away. I
don't think you make him do that. No.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
I'm thinking about Detroit coach, and this may have been
their best shot. I mean, their quarterback not getting any younger.
They just lost both coordinators to a head coach that's
not an x as an OS guy.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
He's a raw, raw, kicking the butt guy. Right, So are.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
We looking at Detroit being as good next year as
they were this season?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
You think I think so, you know, I have a
lot of confidence in their coach. When he was first hired,
and he said, remember the press conferences like the kneecaps
and all this stuff, and I'm going, who was this guy? So?
But his players clearly love him. He is good with
his coaches. I know that, however, the challenge will be
(22:37):
And I remember talking to Parcels about this after we
won the Super Bowl. We played them the next year,
maybe in a preseason game, and he goes, let me
just say this. He goes, he won the Super Bowl
last year. You got a good team, but we lost
some coach. The hardest thing that you have to fix
is they're going to come after your coaches. And if
(22:59):
you lose coach is replacing them. It's never quite the
same as your first group. And he was right right,
that was true.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Back to the Mark Andrews thing, just quickly, how much
of that would you put on Lamar Jackson for the
throw he made?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
It wasn't a perfect throw, but it was certainly catchable,
you know, I mean Lamar Jackson. No, I wouldn't put
too much on Lamar Jackson on that. It was a throw.
Look it, he's caught. He's made catches, unbelievable catches a
much harder than that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Right, if he makes that catch, nobody's going, my god,
what an amazing, wonderful catch he made.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
No, I'll tell you what I say. In my brief
time with the Cardinals, the tight end was Jackie Smith
and he later went to Dallas. Unbelievable tight end, really good.
And remember in the Super Bowl he dropped that ball
right right in his gut to win the game, and
that was tight end. And it's just those types of
things I think do stay with you, though a little
(23:53):
bit longer than most things.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Well, you're looking at four quarterbacks left, and they all
can run, they all and extend to play.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
They can all get a first down with their legs.
I mean, Jayden Daniels does even more than that.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Do you have to now scout quarterbacks out of college
differently and say, hey, it's not just a little minus
if you can't run, it's a huge red flag if
you can't run.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, I think, given given the way the guys are
playing right now and who's who's in the finals, and
that factors in more than the initial evaluation. I remember
going around the country and Bill when I was forty niners.
He had me. I would all over the place looking
at the quarterbacks in the draft, and I'd come back
(24:40):
and have to report that to the to the offensive team.
And passing the ball. Your ability to pass the balls
number one. Okay, Now, movement And we used to say
movement then have to be a great runner. But movement
in the pocket and avoidability and things like that. Now
I think that second thing changes because I used to
(25:02):
worry about guys getting hurt. You're gonna get up, you know,
get hit more and you know, but clearly these guys,
but you got to be able to pass the ball.
That's the number one thing.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, you ever take a job in the NFL or
anywhere based on somebody else getting fired, because we may
have just had that happen in the NFL. I'm gonna
ask you about that next on ninety three three kJ RFM.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
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Radio ninety three point three KJRFL Touchdown.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, all right, we're back here at the five twenty
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(26:00):
some winners on the year the Wednesday before the game.
So we talked about this just briefly going into the segment.
Have you ever been in a situation where you were
going to take a job or somebody else was going
to take a job based on somebody else losing their job?
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
By the way, when I just told you there, and
I bring it up because Liam Cohen, who's the offensive
coordinator of Tampa Bay, apparently the timeline was the Jaguars
wanted him to be their head coach. He said no,
told the Buccaneers He's going back to Tampa Bay to
be the OC like Ben Johnson turned out a bunch
of jobs last year. Then the Jaguars fire their general
manager and then Liam Cohen gets on a plane and
(26:38):
goes up to Jacksonville to interview for the Jaguar job.
So they thinking is that Liam Cohen had no interest
in taking the job unless the Jaguars fired Trent Balky,
which they now have.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
That makes sense. I mean no, I mean we don't
know that for sure, but that makes sense. If you're
going if you're a head coach, head coaching candidate, and
you go in, but you don't like this setup, but
you really like the place to go to coach, you know,
you might that comes out. That probably comes out in
the interview at some point in a subtle way. Perhaps
(27:11):
you know, the team might say, well, what if we
did this, what if we did this? Well, they hadn't
done yet, so you just want to make sure. So
he he called her bluff, he left, Well they did it,
he comes back. So I think that was probably part
of the discussion in some way.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Would you have any problem with a guy making a
verbal agreement and then renegging on it because he had
a different offer someplace else, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I would, you know, I would. I would. That would
bother me, you know, I'm but look at you. Listen,
We've been together a long time, the three of us,
and I think I'm I'm kind of a handshake guy
and that's all it takes. I'm not gonna do that
and then go go that way, right, And so I
expect maybe the expectations to eye them, you know, but
(28:03):
that's how I'm gonna work. But yeah, that would bother
me if that happened.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
If you wanted one of us fired to keep doing
this radio show, which one would you want fired?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Oh gosh, hypotheticals. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Between the two of us. You got to pick one
to whack. Who do you pick?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I'm not ready. I'm not ready to say you sure, yes.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Okay, I saw that wink.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
By the way, I went to.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
My Congrid's with us from the five to twenty bar
and Grail.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You know the thing about Buffalo you mentioned, Hey man,
it's been thirty four years since they lost four in
a row. Would that be a part of your speech
if you're Sean McDermott saying, look, we can do something
really special here for this town. Millin's made the point
before that between the sabers and the bills and everything
they've they've never had a parade effort effort.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Would that be a part of your motivation?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Sure that, you absolutely talk about that, But then if
the parade is going to be an eight feet of snow,
forget it. Maybe they have to go inside or something.
I don't know, but no, that's no, that's but you
don't dwell on that. You know, you mentioned the players know.
The players know, But I mean, it's okay for the
team to understand the history of the franchise. You know,
(29:15):
it's okay. You know when I when I talk when
we won the Super Bowl. You know in Green Bay,
you've seen it on TV when I said, this trophy
means a lot to everybody, but it means more to
you because look who's name's on it, you know, And
so the history you've you should talk about that. I
think with your team.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Safi tweeted out about Saquon Barkle, they potentially be in
the real MVP of the league, and I kind of
agree with him. As great as Lamar Jackson and Josh
Allen is And of course those teams aren't nearly the
team that they are.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Without those two quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
But Saquon is carrying the Philadelphia Eagles and probably will
carry him to the Super Bowl because the Commanders aren't
very good at stopping the run. I mean, are we
ever going to see a running back win the MVP
If you don't have a two thousand yard running back
get the MVP or we ever gonna see one.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
No, I think I think the quarterbacks always get the
edge from the MVP voting, you know, I think, and
there have been a lot of great running backs. But
you're right, Dick, if without him, without him, that offense
changes dramatically.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Jalen Hurts has to pass, which his.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Area's dramatically changed, I think. But then you know another
thing you look at You're the New York Giants. Oh okay,
and one of the big moves in the offseason, I'll
let him go, right, yeah, yeah, Oh my goodness. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
That's kind of one of the reasons why I'm rooting
for Philadelphia because I got a cousin who's a Giants fan,
and he's gonna go bananas if if Barkley makes the
Super Bowl, you will throw refrigerators out of windows if the.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
If the Eagles make that game.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But you know, look, I mean, I just think there's
never been I don't remember a player who's had this
big of an impact on a team, a non quarterback,
ben Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
You're right, it's it's I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I I think he almost saves Syriana his job to
be totally honest with you.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
You know you're right. And from everything I read here,
he he's a great football player. We know that, people
see that. But off the field, in the locker room,
he has been a I think, a kind of a
quiet leader. The people, the guys respond to him and
the teammate they everyone, everyone plays better because of who
(31:19):
he is, aside from his greatness himself. And so if
you get guys like that on your team and you
know it's you can't you can't talk about him enough.
And I was gonna say, he can't pay him enough,
but they'll figure out how to pay him. I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Well, you're Dan Quinn and you're preparing for let's face it,
a one dimensional Philadelphia offense. Now, they got a couple
of good receivers, but they have not been consistent in
the passing game at all. I mean, you give how
do you prepare and and do you give them a
realistic chance to win this game?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I do, I really do. Maybe it's because I'm pulling
for them, you know, I'd like to see I like Dan,
and I'm pulling for them, and I think their story
this year is really one of the great stories in
the league. He is a defensive coach, Dan Quinn defensive
head coach. There they were going in, they'll go in
(32:15):
with the idea, now you got to play defense against everybody.
But basically the way we have to win, we have
to slow him down to win. They came, we have
to slow him down. How do we do that? So
you're gonna see eight guys in the box almost the
whole game, I think, because if you don't and he
sees a little crack there, he's showing he just can
go along and he blows you up by himself, right,
(32:37):
And so that's I think that's the main thrust they'll
be with their defense. Uh. Now having said that, then
you'll see, you know, uh, the quarterback can still throw
the ball a little bit. And they got some good
receivers and all that. They got a good team Philadelphia.
But you got to stop the run, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Well listen, man, it's always fun to have you here,
and even funner when you bring your better half with you.
So enjoy y you kids don't get two nuts tonight?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Okay, No, be home by nine o'clock.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
No, I got I got a limo outside of the change.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Do you know I would not be shocked if that
was the truth. By the way, all right, go get him.
How fun tonight we're talking a week all right? Path
thanks all right, Mike over and with us here from
the five twenty bar and grill we're gonna break. Andrew
Mnier from Motley Futures, you're gonna jump on and kind
of tell us where things are with the nil era
over at U dub those things changing all the time,
kind of get us updated and what's happening with that,
(33:29):
that and more. Mike Benton joining us around six fifteen
before cracking capitals at six thirty face off at seven.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
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