January 8, 2026 • 29 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain are joined by Mike Holmgren at 520 Bar and Grill to talk about the Demond Williams situation at UW, the Seahawks as the NFC’s #1 seed, the win over San Francisco, and Demond reportedly returning now.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Right, boys and girls, We are back at the five
twenty Bar and Grail. Kevin Harlan's gonna join us at
five on the radio show. You know him by the way,
very well, Yes, normally with us on Wednesday, but we
had a little basketball game last night, so Kevin got
the bump.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
He got the bump to tonight at five o'clock.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So he's actually calling Texan Steelers for radio on Monday.
So we'll talk about that with Kevin. But man, I
haven't seen you since last year.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I know, how about that?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
God, it's been a while you look good man?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
How are you hanging in there? You know, Dick and
I tried to hold on the port.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
How about you? How'd that go?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Well? It was really good. There was less controversy. Okay,
there was less yelling.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah yeah, so I was boring?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Is no one called me any names?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well listen, I told you I'm only going to call
your names off the year. Okay, no more name calling
on the year. I'll only do it off year.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Well, it's great to see you, man.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
We got a lot going on in the NFL with
the playoffs this weekend. The Hawks are obviously sitting around
waiting for their opponent. We can talk about that in
a second, but we got to just get your thoughts
as a former college football coach, right uh, as a
quarterback coach, as a dad, as an advisor, as a
mentor on this Demon Williams story. We're sitting on the
air two nights ago, I think, Dick, and the story
(01:43):
comes out like right at six o'clock, boom, DeMont William's
name is in the portal, four days after he signed
an n I L revenue shared deal with you, dub.
Demon Williams decides you know what. I think I can
get more and I want out of here. What do
you make of this whole thing?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
No, to me, it's very sad, you know. I uh,
I don't begin to understand every little detail of the
new rules that go in college football right now. Yeah,
but it seemed to me I had a chance to
meet the young man when I went over and talked
to the team one day, and and he's done very
(02:18):
well for the Huskies. The coach loves him and everyone
loves him. And he signed he signed the deal. And
so you know, we've always talked about this on the show.
You guys are the same way I am. We're kind
of handshake people. You make the deal, that's the deal,
you know. And so it surprises me, it disappoints me.
(02:41):
It's too bad, But that's the way call it, Dave.
I'm old. College football is so different now than when
I coached and certainly when I played, And I guess
it just is what it is, and so we shouldn't
be surprised by almost anything. Gee.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I had a friend text me when this whole thing
went down, and we were going back and forth and
it was like, oh, the kids today, right, the kids
today showed no loyalty, and my response name was, you know,
if we would have had no rules when we were
twenty year old college players.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, not that I was, but you were.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Yeah, we probably would be just as disloyal as kids
are today. They're being allowed to be disloyal when fifteen,
twenty years ago, fifty years ago, they weren't allowed to
be disloyal.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
You know, the thing that jumps out of me more
than anything is the money. You know, if you're if
you're at a school and something happened and you don't
get to play the freshmen they move someone in front
of you, I kind of get where a kid would
want to I want to play. I want to play.
So you go to a transfer to another school, but
you don't transfer to that school because they're going to
(03:50):
pay you three million bucks when the other school is
only paying you a million, right, you know that one?
That one no but to play. If that was just
the rule, I could live with that a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
But here's the thing about this old de Mont william situation.
Takes two to tango, right, Like somebody's got to be
willing to take him. I mean, that's de Mon Williams
doesn't just wake up and say I want out of
my deal and I'm gonna go show up in Louisiana
and just grab a locker, right. I mean, Lane Kifton's
got to want him to come down there.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
So do we know that's where he is?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
No, we don't know that.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
For sure, but that's the smoke the small signals say, lsu.
He may end up somewhere else, There's no question about that.
But uh, and I gotta fall up on this in
a second. How much are you willing to put the
blame for this on the kid, his advisors, and how
much you wanted to put the blame on the other
adults like Lane Kiffin? You know Lane's dad, MONI, Yeah,
you knew him forever. He's been around the NFL forever.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Blank.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean, Lane's the Lane's the adult in the room, right,
Lane's the one kind of that yeah that sits there
and says, hey, I don't care if you've got to
sign contractor and I with you, dub, come on down,
I'll take you. How much of this you put on
his shoulders?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, well I think a lot of is on his shoulders.
But I think a lot of coaches in college now
I think they're Their number one thing is to get
the best team they can get, right, They're not thinking
about what the kid did or what the parents did.
If he's a great player and I can get him,
I'm gonna try and get him. So but I think
(05:14):
ultimately the player has to make the decision, not the agent.
The agent probably is involved somehow, the parents somehow, but
usually it's the kid. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Well, just to follow up, sorry, just real quick on that.
So let me paint a scenario for you. Say, Demon
Williams goes to bed and wakes up and has that
come to Jesus moment, says you know what, God, I'm
getting killed by everybody. I'm doing the wrong thing here.
This really isn't a good idea. I don't want to
do this anymore. I want to stay and play for Jetfish.
Would you take him back?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah? I take him back. But that's hard. Yeah, it's
it's it's it's you got to you got a mends
some fences and get people on your side again.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Well, would you take him back? I probably would. Let's
live in reality. I got one more got I got
one I got one more question on a demon thing,
and I want to move on to the Seahawks. But Mike,
if you're Jetfish right now, how do you handle this?
Do you bring the team together? Do you have a
big meeting with them? Or do you just go in
(06:12):
and go into recruit mode and try to get a
quarterback as best you can out of transportal and not
really deal with your existing team. Right.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
No, I think it's absolutely necessary. Well, I don't know
what Jad's gonna do. What I would do is absolutely
necessary to get everyone together and explain once again what
we're trying to do here. And if you promise me
something or I'll promise you something, we have to understand
that what that means, you know. No, that's a great opportunity,
(06:41):
I think too, in a tough situation, to bring the
guys together and kind of re emphasize what's important to you.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, I'll just go on record not that either one
of you care, but I'll go on record as saying
I would not take them back.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
You wouldn't at all.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
No, I'm done. Fine, I don't blame Yeah, I just
think it'd be a disaster.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I think if he comes out in place poorly, he'd
get hammered, murdered by everybody.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
In town.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
The press would be all over them. There's players in
that locker room that think he's a quitter. Oh dude,
I think it'd be a bad, bad scene if Demon
Williams had to come back to Washington.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
So look, I would not take him back. I'm moving on.
I'm done.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
But we're also moving on to the Seahawks. Man, So
it had the number one seed three times in franchise history.
You were the first to do it, and you went
to the Super Bowl. Dick and I and Jackson had
been debating all week long kind of what we expect
out of this football team. Now with the number one seed,
it almost feels unfair to expect a team to go
to the super Bowl. But with the way their defense
is playing MIC and this kind of renewed run game
(07:34):
a little bit here, I kind of do expect them
to go with that number one seed in home field.
How about you?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I agree, I think they're going to go. And you
know that game they played last week against the forty
nine ers just they shut down a team that had
been scoring a lot, right, and they just closed the door.
Now the forty nine ers were there was some problems
there injury wise, but they played a great football game,
(08:00):
and they are peaking. It seems to me like their trajectory.
They're just going up and getting better, better and better.
And if they can get keep the running game going,
if they can keep the running game going, okay, I
think they got a good chance to be there.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
They clearly had a conservative game plan in that game.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
If you had a D like this and you had
good DS.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
I don't know if you had a D like this,
But if you had a D like this, would you
be that conservative offensively or would you take some more chances, thinking,
all right, if I turn it over a time or two,
give my defense short fields, I still feel competent that
that we can get it done.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know you're talking to here by the way, right,
you're about the conservative stuff. You know that. Yeah, but
it couldn't help throw the ball?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah he was No, I would you have a good point.
But I don't think you think I don't think they
think that way. I don't think that you're you're the
offensive coordinator. Your job is to score points. That's what
your job is. To move the ball down the field
and get in there as many times as you can.
How you do it, then you gotta develop that and
(09:03):
and call the game that way.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
The offensive coordinator, I don't think is thinking about what
the defense is doing necessarily. Now the head coach in
his role, like like you know, he might be it's
on the phones mentioning some things to Clint, you know,
because the defense if he has a feeling like the
defense is shutting them down, and we can do this
the whole game. Right, But no, I think they're His
(09:28):
job is to score points, and I think he's going
to develop the game plan that way and call the
game that way.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, well, I'll bet I agree with him. Now I
think you're wrong.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Well, of course, I'm truly glad to be back.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I just I just think what's impressed me guys about
the Seahawk football team.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And I'm being half a smart I sorry. I hope
you know that, right.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I mean, I come on, I gotta trigger the same
way this year I did for the last twenty five years.
I think their most impressive trait as a football team,
at least on offense, is that they can win games
a variety of different ways. They got a power the
ball down your throat. Now they can do it. They're
gonna throw it now.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
They can do it.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
If they need special teams now, they can do it.
If they need defense to lead the way, they certainly
can do that. I think this football team absolutely is
influenced in some ways by the way their defense played.
I mean, they had three drives in the game on
Saturday night that yielded no points, but they took a
third of the game off the clock twenty minutes in
(10:23):
that game versus San Francisco. So do you feel that way, Mike,
that this is a football team that can come that
year from four or five different angles.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yeah, they can. They can. But here I will disagree
with you. Oh see, you know, believable. But they won
thirteen to three, right, correct? How many games are you
gonna win? And when you score thirteen points? How many games?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Not many?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
If you're not many at all? Yeah, yeah, you know.
And so there have been times this season first half
six to six, first half six to three, first half
nine to whatever it would, you know, And so they've
been Indianapolis, poor kid. I just think back at some
of these games, you know, Carolina, and.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
They pulled back, guys, because they're pulling back offensively, and
I mean maybe too much.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, but here, but here's the point though, guys, So
in Mike, You're right, if you score thirteen points on average,
you're not going to win a lot of games. There's
no question about that. But it should have been twenty six.
Let's let's be honest. Jason Myers missed his two field goals, right,
They have first and goal with the one.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And they get nothing. Okay, we can ask you about
that in a second.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And if I'm not mistaken, Dick, the field goal that
the Niners had, did that not come off the Jason
Myers kickoff out of bounds where the Niners had the
bought the forty yard league? And did I mean they gave?
They gave sixteen points away. That's a sixteen.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Point swing, thirteen for us and three for them. How
about that?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Look at this, coh go ahead, Pete Samill reporting Demon
Williams Junior leaning towards return to Washington.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Hell no, was he listening to what I said?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It may have been. Well, both of you guys just
said you would take him back. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
I'm glad I said that about you. Coach can be five.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I don't think I would take him back, but I
may not have any choice. By the way, if he
comes back. Really funny, There's a reason why I asked
you guys that question if you'd take him back, because
you know that. No, I just had a weird, funny
feeling that is this over? Like this is the again?
What did we talk about yesterday? Never expect anything to
happen the way you think it's gonna happen in college football.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
And this is example.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And twenty of that that if Demon Williams returns to Washington,
oh my god, dude, he's gonna have to have a
press conference, he's gonna have to answer questions, he's gonna
have to make amends with his coaches, his players. There's
a part of me, guys, I will be totally honest
with you. If this is true and if he does return,
I think it's a horrible idea.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I think it's a bad idea for Washington man.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
If he struggles, if he comes back and doesn't play well,
I think fans are gonna be chomping at the bit
to kill this guy.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
You know what?
Speaker 6 (12:54):
Really quickly, sorry, let me just correct, Dick. Have you
checked the sourcing on that? And win DESPN TV?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
We just watching the bottom line on ESPN.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
What have you been taught.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
On the on the pre game.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
What have we been taught ever since we were little kids?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I don't know, girls, girls, and what else?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
What else? You gotta be able to forgive. And that's
why I could see him and he would send him
that young man comes into the office, Jed's office, and
they're gonna have a long talk about what if there's
a press conference about how we're gonna approach this, admit
and then admit some things I screwed up or whatever,
(13:37):
whoever it goes, please give me another time so you know,
they can phrase it a certain way that will allow
him to get a little start on the road back.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
And that's why the from the very beginning, like, okay,
move on, who's the next quarterback of Washington?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
That's what I want to know. Who's the next quarterback
of Washington?
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Well, if demand's William is the next quarterback of Washington,
then I don't have to answer that question anymore. But
Softy's right, is gonna have to be lots of reparations,
lots like.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
And if he gets a slow starter, you're.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Right exactly it, he's gonna get crushed.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And can you imagine, let's say Dick for example, Sam
Levitt goes to Tennessee and kills it down there, and
Demon Williams comes back and doesn't play well in Seattle.
I don't know, guys, I just think it's a bad idea.
I'm on record now. I mean I told you this,
and I told Jackson this, and I'll say it again.
Whoever's on the roster in September gets my full support
and loyalty as a Husky fan. I don't expect anybody
to return the following year. That's what college football has become.
(14:31):
But this is going to be such a potential distraction
for this football team. Jetfish is going to have to
find a way to get through this in the offseason,
to get everybody on board to make this work. And
this just feels like a lot of work to be done.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Man.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I don't know, you know what, based on what we
just saw there. Oh, I'm gonna change my mind. I'm
with you, You're with me now?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah, I don't even know what we're talking to.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Forgive me, forgive me, I'm asking for forgiveness.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
What are we talking about now? For crier out loud, unbelievable. Well, uh,
here's what we'll do. Jackson we'll keep Mike until four
thirty nine. Why don't we do this? Why don't we
take some texts we can play at four forty five
if that's cool with you, Jackson, and we'll get fans thoughts.
Do you want Demon Williams back? Pete Fammeil? Right, we
just saw it on TV, Dick. I mean we are
watching ESPN. That's not like the Onion Chandler or stuck. Okay,
(15:21):
Pete Famill reporting on ESPN that he's hearing Devon Williams
is leaning towards returning to ub Do you want him back?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Four nine, four to five one end the story?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yes or no? So we'll get to that coming up
at a minute. But Mike, back to the Seahawks for
a second. You mentioned the running game, right, So the
last three games one hundred and seventy, one hundred and
sixty three and one hundred and eighty yards against the
forty nine ers is the running game now back to
a point where we can now count on it as
Seahawks fans.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I think he can you know of Sharbernet and it's
both of them. Both of them have have shown really good,
good games. And so you go, where do you go
do you go to the offensive line? And I think
when you start to that and you feel game after
game it's working, it's coming all of a sudden that
offensive line is geled, whereas before there have been some
(16:09):
some times where you say, hey, they're not getting it
done up front and Cross and think of this, Cross
has been hurt. He hasn't even played right last couple
of weeks. Yeah, correct, you know, And so that that
tells me that they But I would temper it with
the fact that they played against teams that were either
injured or in a bad situation on defense up front,
(16:31):
and so that combination allowed it to be better, maybe
a little bit better than it is. Well, I know
your favorite play of the game.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I texted you after that.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
You did third and seventeen give the ball to Ken
Walker for twenty one?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah, what'd you think of that?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Coach?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Well, I just thought they should have run the draw
instead of the pitch. By the way, right, I watched
that and did you see on television what John Lynch
did and he was so mad?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Well I was.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
I did the same thing. I put my end, I
go what did And you know what? San Francisco ahead,
They're good on a they're not very good on defense
right now, they're really not very good on defense. But
they're third and seventeen. Now, you talked, Dave, you talked
earlier about that game. It could have been worse, sure,
but there were a couple of times it should have
(17:19):
been worse. But there were also times that they got away.
They did stuff that you don't normally get. They run
that play ten times, they get it once.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Right, and then McCaffrey the interception, he catches that ball. Yeah,
let's face it, right, nine times out of ten for sure. Okay,
So all right, well this is another bombshell Thursday. Pete
Fammell of ESPN just threw it up on TV. Have
you seen anything Jackson on Twitter yet? By the way,
about this.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Matt Zennetce of CBS, he's a national college football reporter
for CBS Sports, says despite the developments over the last
couple of days, Washington would still welcome demon Williams back
to the team and is hoping for him to remain
the program.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Well, we just put a poll out on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
It's only early one hundred and eighty votes in seventy
seven to twenty three percent. No, they do not want
Demon Williams back at Washington. So guys, this is the
environment they're gonna have to deal with. And I got
a lot of I got a lot more thoughts on
this man. This is wow. We'll come back and chat
more about this with Mike. More on the NFL playoffs
on the Hawks. Next with a five twenty on ninety
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Speaker 3 (18:37):
All right, we're back here at the five twenty bar
and grill.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
We are now all of a sudden keeping an eye
on the Demon Williams story for a lot of other reasons.
Pete Famill of ESPN just reported we we actually saw
something that we don't normally see, and that's breaking news on.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
TV versus social media, right right.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And if I hadn't been looking up on the TV,
or if you hadn't been looking at the TV, would
totally miss the thing.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
I had laser surgery because I was looking at that
TV way over there.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
And I said, does that see?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Demand is leaning to and then I had to look
at this.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
One up well, Pete Fandle recording that Demon Williams is
leaning towards returning to Washington, saying it's not done.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
The decision is imminent but not final.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So I would absolutely keep it right here, because the
minute something's announced, we're gonna have it for you right
here on ninety three to three kJ IRFM. We're gonna
kind of move a few things around here. Humil one's
gonna hop on the air with us at five o'clock
tonight and give us his thoughts on this story. We
may even have some official news by then, guys, in
the next thirty two minutes here now, by five o'clock.
So we'll follow this, but we've got to pull out
(19:41):
on Twitter right now, asking people if they would want
Demon Williams back at Washington. At nine hundred votes in
so far, seventy eight percent say no, twenty two percent
say yes they would want Demon Williams back at UDUB.
So that's what this situation so far right Dick has
created for you, Dub.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Yeah, I think those opinions, and I'm glad you asked
us before this came back whether we whether we would
have him back or not. Home Coach holmgrend I aren
on record as the saying we would take him back
if you ever want to, But I thought.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
There was a zero percent chance of that actually happening.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
But I think after a apology, after you know, a
public showing, and after ripping up the first four teams,
he's going to play because we know how demand Williams
plays against the not very good teams in college football.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
He's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I think people will be back on his you know,
bandwagon by October.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
How about you? How would you handle this with with him?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
If you're a coach and you know that the entire
fan base strong majority, right yeah, is turned off by
you and what you the decision you made, Your agent
dumped you because of this. How do you handle this
if you're jedfish to try to get him back where
he needs to be with the community.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Well, I think I feel that I don't know this,
but I think they probably had a long conversation before
this all started. Okay, and so you know, he's been
with him, He came here, brought him here from Arizona,
you know, all that kind of stuff. So they they've
been together and he's been successful now together, and so
(21:16):
he leaves right now, he all of a sudden, I'd
be disappointed if I was the coach. But then all
of a sudden he wants to come back, or something happens,
he goes, he could come in. I made a mistake,
take me back, and I take him back. But then
we'd sit down and say, Okay, here's what do you
have to do. And to Dick's point and to your point,
(21:37):
not so much to your point, because you wouldn't take
him back, but I mean if you take it. And
I understand that, David, I really do. I don't play
but you, but you you sit him down and you go, Okay,
here's how we have to handle this and kind of
counsel him through, getting the fans back on inside, getting
the people here on inside, and nothing's going to change
too much until he starts winning games, and he's going
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to if he comes back. Yeah, and then, like I said,
I think it's gonna be okay, but you have to
sit down and have a serious talk about how we're
gonna handle this.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
No, I don't think you can just brush this turn
of the rock. I don't think you can just deny
him in appearance with the media absolu. I mean, you know,
Jedfish the way that he's run his football program, at
least with the players in the media. This is not
the university, by the way, and it's definitely not the
sports information department. This is what Jed has wanted. Since
he's been the head coach at Washington. Player availability has
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been minimal at Washington compared to Kaln de boor you
know that, right, it's been totally different. Trots out a
couple of players a week, sometimes four players a week
and that's it. So the opportunities to talk to de
Mont Williams sometimes there are very few and far between.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Well. The other thing is I think would help is
you have team leaders. Right, He's not the only guy, right,
you have team leaders. Those guys have to come out
on his you know, and talk about having him back
and what it means and we're to have him back
and all that kind of stuff coming from his from
his teammates.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I think demand needs to not only show, you know, remorse,
he needs to be straight with us as to why
he did this, because I think the fan base will
sniff out a lie so easily. He is gonna come
out and say, listen, so and so called me. I
was like, it's two million dollars more than I was
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making here, I'm taking the two million. I mean, he
just needs to fall on his knees and say this
is what I did. Because if he tries to make
some bs up, people are gonna sniff right through that
and not forgive him.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
You know, it's your point tick And that's what college
football now drives me cuckoo, because you have kids. Heck,
I remember Karan Robinson coming in after we drafted number one,
from a very very poor background, not much there. All
of a sudden he gets this money coming in the
NFL and all of a sudden, Oh, it's like he
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hit the lotto, you know, the lottery. You want it?
What a kid if depending on his background, I don't
know what his background is, but all of a sudden
you four million, six million dollars. Oh yeah, and you
and he kind of it screws up your thinking a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I just I just think he's got to be coached
up on what to say. I mean, everything's going to
be nitpicked, Dick. I understand that, you know, but I
just think you just you just own it. From the start.
You don't blame anybody, you say, you know what, I
just I messed up. You know, maybe I got some
bad advice whatever, but I screwed up, and I.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Apologize and ask for forgiveness, and he asked.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
For forgiveness, and you move on. You don't, you don't,
you don't. You don't say anything about money or whatever.
You just say, you know what, I'm a human being.
I screwed up.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I mean, I could write this damn thing absolutely.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I understand the criticism. I understand why people were upset
with me. I'm supposed to be the leader of this
football team, and I wanted to quit on this football team.
And I understand why.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
You, you and you and you are upse that with me.
I don't blame you whatsoever. That's on me. And all
I can do now is show you that I'm contrite.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I can show you that I am authentic in my apology,
and I'm gonna go out and represent this university in
the best way possible I can. And oh, by the way,
I'm gonna guarantee you a fourth year right now, right,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Honestly, like you, just you, you have got to own this.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
You have to own it from the start, like, this
is your kid telling him to own it.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
So I don't know, man, this is gonna be wild.
As you ask me at the beginning of the show,
You're like, do you feel a little bit? Oh god,
this is gonna be a soap opera?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Man, the hustle football is going to be in the
center of the college football world.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
What did I say at the start of the show
to you? Remember when I asked you, well, you asked me.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
If I had had any if I felt sorry at all, right,
And I said I didn't, right, but I said a
little bit of me did, And almost I almost feel
more sorry for him now because of what he is
going to have to go through over the next couple
of weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
This is gonna be the gauntlet for Demand Williams.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
You guys ever had it? Has he come on the show?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
And oh many times? Yeah, he's been great.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
You know the kid, but of course.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
I mean we had him on live during springball. He
was phenomenal. I just talked to the guy. I think
it was before the Orton game or whatever it was.
I had no issue with him. He was freaking great
in person. Once took her on.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
The phone, But that happens to a lot of kids
and interview settings. So I thought he was fine, Jackson,
you got.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Something back there? Nothing? Yeah, okay, I thought you were mumbling.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
That must have been my brain. Yeah, there's a lot
going on in our brains right now. My brain's scrambled.
Was the marbles moving around in my brain?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Well, Mike, before we get to some texts on this
next segment, A lot of coaches will say things like,
you know what, we don't.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Care who we're playing. We're ready for anybody.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
And they'll say that in public, which is what you're
supposed to say in public, obviously. But if you're coaching
this football team RAM, San Francisco, Carolina, Green Bay, is
there anybody you're kind of thinking, Yeah, we kind of
match up with those guys better, and I would love
for that team to win so we can see them one.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, the other the other teams, The one team that
I think would be most turning to me, the Rams.
You know, they've they've they've played them tough, they know them.
Both teams are good, you know, there have been real
weaknesses shown by the other teams, you know, in Green
Bayers example, they've they've finished. I think they lost five
in a row, you know, the last five games, So
(27:18):
I think it goes through your mind. But then you say,
you got to be prepared. I go back to the
time I was with San Francisco and we played we
were the number one seed, and then we practiced for
two weeks and Bill coach Walsh just killed the guys
just for two weeks, and we practiced for two teams,
specifically for two teams. Then we wound up playing Minnesota
(27:40):
and they beat us. They beat us, and they were
like the sixth seed or something like that.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
They weren't one of the teams that you were preparing for.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
No, and when they beat us, and it just shocked
and but we learned. I learned one and Bill kind
of said this. He by the time we got to
the game, we were white out. Yeah, everyone was tired.
So Mike, it's my understanding now, is giving the guys
off Friday, Saturday, Sunday coming, you know, and just practicing
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next week normally. And that's, in my opinion, that's the
way to do it. That's what I would do it.
That's the kind of the Super Bowl. The two weeks
of the Super Bowl, Yes, but you have to have
you have to have some things ready for the possibility
of playing one team or another.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Did you like now, obviously you would rather have the
buy than not, or because you got a free win,
you've got the home game, absolutely, but did you did
you like the two weeks? So let's say in two
thousand and five, take us through what you did during
those two weeks in two thousand and five, and did
you feel like it was it was good that you
got the extra week.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
I always think it was good. The first first reason
is guys that are knocked up and banged up and
sore and hurt, you got time to recover. So by
the time you get to the game normally you have
your whole roster is there available to you. That's the
first thing. The second thing is, in based on my
experience that had in San Francisco, the pacing of it
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and the pacing of like going to the Super Bowl.
You know, you have that first week you're practicing and
you're having him think and you're having doing those things,
but really you don't get it cranked up until that
second week then, and so just the pace of it,
so you're not the players aren't ready to play the
game Thursday. They got to be ready Sunday. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I gotta tell you, man, We're sitting here talking football
one of the all time great coaches in the history
of the NFL, and my mind is just blowing. Do
I seem distracted to you? My mind is blown, man.
I'm sorry, no over this to mony.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
You know what? No, but you know what, I think
I know you well. How long have we I.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Known you twenty seven years?
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah, and I think I know you well enough to
know that you sit there, dick, you and I will
take over. Okay, we're the rest of the show.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Right, boys and girls, We are back at the five
twenty Bar and Grail. Kevin Harlan's gonna join us at
five on the radio show. You know him by the way,
very well, Yes, normally with us on Wednesday, but we
had a little basketball game last night, so Kevin got
the bump.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
He got the bump to tonight at five o'clock.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So he's actually calling Texan Steelers for radio on Monday.
So we'll talk about that with Kevin. But man, I
haven't seen you since last year.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I know, how about that?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
God, it's been a while you look good man?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
How are you hanging in there? You know, Dick and
I tried to hold on the port.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
How about you? How'd that go?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Well? It was really good. There was less controversy. Okay,
there was less yelling.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah yeah, so I was boring?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Is no one called me any names?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well listen, I told you I'm only going to call
your names off the year. Okay, no more name calling
on the year. I'll only do it off year.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Well, it's great to see you, man.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
We got a lot going on in the NFL with
the playoffs this weekend. The Hawks are obviously sitting around
waiting for their opponent. We can talk about that in
a second, but we got to just get your thoughts
as a former college football coach, right uh, as a
quarterback coach, as a dad, as an advisor, as a
mentor on this Demon Williams story. We're sitting on the
air two nights ago, I think, Dick, and the story
(01:43):
comes out like right at six o'clock, boom, DeMont William's
name is in the portal, four days after he signed
an n I L revenue shared deal with you, dub.
Demon Williams decides you know what. I think I can
get more and I want out of here. What do
you make of this whole thing?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
No, to me, it's very sad, you know. I uh,
I don't begin to understand every little detail of the
new rules that go in college football right now. Yeah,
but it seemed to me I had a chance to
meet the young man when I went over and talked
to the team one day, and and he's done very
(02:18):
well for the Huskies. The coach loves him and everyone
loves him. And he signed he signed the deal. And
so you know, we've always talked about this on the show.
You guys are the same way I am. We're kind
of handshake people. You make the deal, that's the deal,
you know. And so it surprises me, it disappoints me.
(02:41):
It's too bad, But that's the way call it, Dave.
I'm old. College football is so different now than when
I coached and certainly when I played, And I guess
it just is what it is, and so we shouldn't
be surprised by almost anything. Gee.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I had a friend text me when this whole thing
went down, and we were going back and forth and
it was like, oh, the kids today, right, the kids
today showed no loyalty, and my response name was, you know,
if we would have had no rules when we were
twenty year old college players.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, not that I was, but you were.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Yeah, we probably would be just as disloyal as kids
are today. They're being allowed to be disloyal when fifteen,
twenty years ago, fifty years ago, they weren't allowed to
be disloyal.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
You know, the thing that jumps out of me more
than anything is the money. You know, if you're if
you're at a school and something happened and you don't
get to play the freshmen they move someone in front
of you, I kind of get where a kid would
want to I want to play. I want to play.
So you go to a transfer to another school, but
you don't transfer to that school because they're going to
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pay you three million bucks when the other school is
only paying you a million, right, you know that one?
That one no but to play. If that was just
the rule, I could live with that a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
But here's the thing about this old de Mont william situation.
Takes two to tango, right, Like somebody's got to be
willing to take him. I mean, that's de Mon Williams
doesn't just wake up and say I want out of
my deal and I'm gonna go show up in Louisiana
and just grab a locker, right. I mean, Lane Kifton's
got to want him to come down there.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
So do we know that's where he is?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
No, we don't know that.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
For sure, but that's the smoke the small signals say, lsu.
He may end up somewhere else, There's no question about that.
But uh, and I gotta fall up on this in
a second. How much are you willing to put the
blame for this on the kid, his advisors, and how
much you wanted to put the blame on the other
adults like Lane Kiffin? You know Lane's dad, MONI, Yeah,
you knew him forever. He's been around the NFL forever.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Blank.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean, Lane's the Lane's the adult in the room, right,
Lane's the one kind of that yeah that sits there
and says, hey, I don't care if you've got to
sign contractor and I with you, dub, come on down,
I'll take you. How much of this you put on
his shoulders?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, well I think a lot of is on his shoulders.
But I think a lot of coaches in college now
I think they're Their number one thing is to get
the best team they can get, right, They're not thinking
about what the kid did or what the parents did.
If he's a great player and I can get him,
I'm gonna try and get him. So but I think
(05:14):
ultimately the player has to make the decision, not the agent.
The agent probably is involved somehow, the parents somehow, but
usually it's the kid. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Well, just to follow up, sorry, just real quick on that.
So let me paint a scenario for you. Say, Demon
Williams goes to bed and wakes up and has that
come to Jesus moment, says you know what, God, I'm
getting killed by everybody. I'm doing the wrong thing here.
This really isn't a good idea. I don't want to
do this anymore. I want to stay and play for Jetfish.
Would you take him back?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah? I take him back. But that's hard. Yeah, it's
it's it's it's you got to you got a mends
some fences and get people on your side again.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Well, would you take him back? I probably would. Let's
live in reality. I got one more got I got
one I got one more question on a demon thing,
and I want to move on to the Seahawks. But Mike,
if you're Jetfish right now, how do you handle this?
Do you bring the team together? Do you have a
big meeting with them? Or do you just go in
(06:12):
and go into recruit mode and try to get a
quarterback as best you can out of transportal and not
really deal with your existing team. Right.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
No, I think it's absolutely necessary. Well, I don't know
what Jad's gonna do. What I would do is absolutely
necessary to get everyone together and explain once again what
we're trying to do here. And if you promise me
something or I'll promise you something, we have to understand
that what that means, you know. No, that's a great opportunity,
(06:41):
I think too, in a tough situation, to bring the
guys together and kind of re emphasize what's important to you.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, I'll just go on record not that either one
of you care, but I'll go on record as saying
I would not take them back.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
You wouldn't at all.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
No, I'm done. Fine, I don't blame Yeah, I just
think it'd be a disaster.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I think if he comes out in place poorly, he'd
get hammered, murdered by everybody.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
In town.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
The press would be all over them. There's players in
that locker room that think he's a quitter. Oh dude,
I think it'd be a bad, bad scene if Demon
Williams had to come back to Washington.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
So look, I would not take him back. I'm moving on.
I'm done.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
But we're also moving on to the Seahawks. Man, So
it had the number one seed three times in franchise history.
You were the first to do it, and you went
to the Super Bowl. Dick and I and Jackson had
been debating all week long kind of what we expect
out of this football team. Now with the number one seed,
it almost feels unfair to expect a team to go
to the super Bowl. But with the way their defense
is playing MIC and this kind of renewed run game
(07:34):
a little bit here, I kind of do expect them
to go with that number one seed in home field.
How about you?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I agree, I think they're going to go. And you
know that game they played last week against the forty
nine ers just they shut down a team that had
been scoring a lot, right, and they just closed the door.
Now the forty nine ers were there was some problems
there injury wise, but they played a great football game,
(08:00):
and they are peaking. It seems to me like their trajectory.
They're just going up and getting better, better and better.
And if they can get keep the running game going,
if they can keep the running game going, okay, I
think they got a good chance to be there.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
They clearly had a conservative game plan in that game.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
If you had a D like this and you had
good DS.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
I don't know if you had a D like this,
But if you had a D like this, would you
be that conservative offensively or would you take some more chances, thinking,
all right, if I turn it over a time or two,
give my defense short fields, I still feel competent that
that we can get it done.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know you're talking to here by the way, right,
you're about the conservative stuff. You know that. Yeah, but
it couldn't help throw the ball?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah he was No, I would you have a good point.
But I don't think you think I don't think they
think that way. I don't think that you're you're the
offensive coordinator. Your job is to score points. That's what
your job is. To move the ball down the field
and get in there as many times as you can.
How you do it, then you gotta develop that and
(09:03):
and call the game that way.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
The offensive coordinator, I don't think is thinking about what
the defense is doing necessarily. Now the head coach in
his role, like like you know, he might be it's
on the phones mentioning some things to Clint, you know,
because the defense if he has a feeling like the
defense is shutting them down, and we can do this
the whole game. Right, But no, I think they're His
(09:28):
job is to score points, and I think he's going
to develop the game plan that way and call the
game that way.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, well, I'll bet I agree with him. Now I
think you're wrong.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Well, of course, I'm truly glad to be back.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I just I just think what's impressed me guys about
the Seahawk football team.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And I'm being half a smart I sorry. I hope
you know that, right.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I mean, I come on, I gotta trigger the same
way this year I did for the last twenty five years.
I think their most impressive trait as a football team,
at least on offense, is that they can win games
a variety of different ways. They got a power the
ball down your throat. Now they can do it. They're
gonna throw it now.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
They can do it.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
If they need special teams now, they can do it.
If they need defense to lead the way, they certainly
can do that. I think this football team absolutely is
influenced in some ways by the way their defense played.
I mean, they had three drives in the game on
Saturday night that yielded no points, but they took a
third of the game off the clock twenty minutes in
(10:23):
that game versus San Francisco. So do you feel that way, Mike,
that this is a football team that can come that
year from four or five different angles.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yeah, they can. They can. But here I will disagree
with you. Oh see, you know, believable. But they won
thirteen to three, right, correct? How many games are you
gonna win? And when you score thirteen points? How many games?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Not many?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
If you're not many at all? Yeah, yeah, you know.
And so there have been times this season first half
six to six, first half six to three, first half
nine to whatever it would, you know, And so they've
been Indianapolis, poor kid. I just think back at some
of these games, you know, Carolina, and.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
They pulled back, guys, because they're pulling back offensively, and
I mean maybe too much.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, but here, but here's the point though, guys, So
in Mike, You're right, if you score thirteen points on average,
you're not going to win a lot of games. There's
no question about that. But it should have been twenty six.
Let's let's be honest. Jason Myers missed his two field goals, right,
They have first and goal with the one.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And they get nothing. Okay, we can ask you about
that in a second.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And if I'm not mistaken, Dick, the field goal that
the Niners had, did that not come off the Jason
Myers kickoff out of bounds where the Niners had the
bought the forty yard league? And did I mean they gave?
They gave sixteen points away. That's a sixteen.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Point swing, thirteen for us and three for them. How
about that?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Look at this, coh go ahead, Pete Samill reporting Demon
Williams Junior leaning towards return to Washington.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Hell no, was he listening to what I said?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It may have been. Well, both of you guys just
said you would take him back. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
I'm glad I said that about you. Coach can be five.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I don't think I would take him back, but I
may not have any choice. By the way, if he
comes back. Really funny, There's a reason why I asked
you guys that question if you'd take him back, because
you know that. No, I just had a weird, funny
feeling that is this over? Like this is the again?
What did we talk about yesterday? Never expect anything to
happen the way you think it's gonna happen in college football.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
And this is example.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And twenty of that that if Demon Williams returns to Washington,
oh my god, dude, he's gonna have to have a
press conference, he's gonna have to answer questions, he's gonna
have to make amends with his coaches, his players. There's
a part of me, guys, I will be totally honest
with you. If this is true and if he does return,
I think it's a horrible idea.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I think it's a bad idea for Washington man.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
If he struggles, if he comes back and doesn't play well,
I think fans are gonna be chomping at the bit
to kill this guy.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
You know what?
Speaker 6 (12:54):
Really quickly, sorry, let me just correct, Dick. Have you
checked the sourcing on that? And win DESPN TV?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
We just watching the bottom line on ESPN.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
What have you been taught.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
On the on the pre game.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
What have we been taught ever since we were little kids?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I don't know, girls, girls, and what else?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
What else? You gotta be able to forgive. And that's
why I could see him and he would send him
that young man comes into the office, Jed's office, and
they're gonna have a long talk about what if there's
a press conference about how we're gonna approach this, admit
and then admit some things I screwed up or whatever,
(13:37):
whoever it goes, please give me another time so you know,
they can phrase it a certain way that will allow
him to get a little start on the road back.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
And that's why the from the very beginning, like, okay,
move on, who's the next quarterback of Washington?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
That's what I want to know. Who's the next quarterback
of Washington?
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Well, if demand's William is the next quarterback of Washington,
then I don't have to answer that question anymore. But
Softy's right, is gonna have to be lots of reparations,
lots like.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
And if he gets a slow starter, you're.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Right exactly it, he's gonna get crushed.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And can you imagine, let's say Dick for example, Sam
Levitt goes to Tennessee and kills it down there, and
Demon Williams comes back and doesn't play well in Seattle.
I don't know, guys, I just think it's a bad idea.
I'm on record now. I mean I told you this,
and I told Jackson this, and I'll say it again.
Whoever's on the roster in September gets my full support
and loyalty as a Husky fan. I don't expect anybody
to return the following year. That's what college football has become.
(14:31):
But this is going to be such a potential distraction
for this football team. Jetfish is going to have to
find a way to get through this in the offseason,
to get everybody on board to make this work. And
this just feels like a lot of work to be done.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Man.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I don't know, you know what, based on what we
just saw there. Oh, I'm gonna change my mind. I'm
with you, You're with me now?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah, I don't even know what we're talking to.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Forgive me, forgive me, I'm asking for forgiveness.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
What are we talking about now? For crier out loud, unbelievable. Well, uh,
here's what we'll do. Jackson we'll keep Mike until four
thirty nine. Why don't we do this? Why don't we
take some texts we can play at four forty five
if that's cool with you, Jackson, and we'll get fans thoughts.
Do you want Demon Williams back? Pete Fammeil? Right, we
just saw it on TV, Dick. I mean we are
watching ESPN. That's not like the Onion Chandler or stuck. Okay,
(15:21):
Pete Famill reporting on ESPN that he's hearing Devon Williams
is leaning towards returning to ub Do you want him back?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Four nine, four to five one end the story?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yes or no? So we'll get to that coming up
at a minute. But Mike, back to the Seahawks for
a second. You mentioned the running game, right, So the
last three games one hundred and seventy, one hundred and
sixty three and one hundred and eighty yards against the
forty nine ers is the running game now back to
a point where we can now count on it as
Seahawks fans.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I think he can you know of Sharbernet and it's
both of them. Both of them have have shown really good,
good games. And so you go, where do you go
do you go to the offensive line? And I think
when you start to that and you feel game after
game it's working, it's coming all of a sudden that
offensive line is geled, whereas before there have been some
(16:09):
some times where you say, hey, they're not getting it
done up front and Cross and think of this, Cross
has been hurt. He hasn't even played right last couple
of weeks. Yeah, correct, you know, And so that that
tells me that they But I would temper it with
the fact that they played against teams that were either
injured or in a bad situation on defense up front,
(16:31):
and so that combination allowed it to be better, maybe
a little bit better than it is. Well, I know
your favorite play of the game.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I texted you after that.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
You did third and seventeen give the ball to Ken
Walker for twenty one?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah, what'd you think of that?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Coach?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Well, I just thought they should have run the draw
instead of the pitch. By the way, right, I watched
that and did you see on television what John Lynch
did and he was so mad?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Well I was.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
I did the same thing. I put my end, I
go what did And you know what? San Francisco ahead,
They're good on a they're not very good on defense
right now, they're really not very good on defense. But
they're third and seventeen. Now, you talked, Dave, you talked
earlier about that game. It could have been worse, sure,
but there were a couple of times it should have
(17:19):
been worse. But there were also times that they got away.
They did stuff that you don't normally get. They run
that play ten times, they get it once.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Right, and then McCaffrey the interception, he catches that ball. Yeah,
let's face it, right, nine times out of ten for sure. Okay,
So all right, well this is another bombshell Thursday. Pete
Fammell of ESPN just threw it up on TV. Have
you seen anything Jackson on Twitter yet? By the way,
about this.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Matt Zennetce of CBS, he's a national college football reporter
for CBS Sports, says despite the developments over the last
couple of days, Washington would still welcome demon Williams back
to the team and is hoping for him to remain
the program.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Well, we just put a poll out on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
It's only early one hundred and eighty votes in seventy
seven to twenty three percent. No, they do not want
Demon Williams back at Washington. So guys, this is the
environment they're gonna have to deal with. And I got
a lot of I got a lot more thoughts on
this man. This is wow. We'll come back and chat
more about this with Mike. More on the NFL playoffs
on the Hawks. Next with a five twenty on ninety
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Speaker 1 (18:23):
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Speaker 3 (18:37):
All right, we're back here at the five twenty bar
and grill.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
We are now all of a sudden keeping an eye
on the Demon Williams story for a lot of other reasons.
Pete Famill of ESPN just reported we we actually saw
something that we don't normally see, and that's breaking news on.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
TV versus social media, right right.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And if I hadn't been looking up on the TV,
or if you hadn't been looking at the TV, would
totally miss the thing.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
I had laser surgery because I was looking at that
TV way over there.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
And I said, does that see?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Demand is leaning to and then I had to look
at this.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
One up well, Pete Fandle recording that Demon Williams is
leaning towards returning to Washington, saying it's not done.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
The decision is imminent but not final.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So I would absolutely keep it right here, because the
minute something's announced, we're gonna have it for you right
here on ninety three to three kJ IRFM. We're gonna
kind of move a few things around here. Humil one's
gonna hop on the air with us at five o'clock
tonight and give us his thoughts on this story. We
may even have some official news by then, guys, in
the next thirty two minutes here now, by five o'clock.
So we'll follow this, but we've got to pull out
(19:41):
on Twitter right now, asking people if they would want
Demon Williams back at Washington. At nine hundred votes in
so far, seventy eight percent say no, twenty two percent
say yes they would want Demon Williams back at UDUB.
So that's what this situation so far right Dick has
created for you, Dub.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Yeah, I think those opinions, and I'm glad you asked
us before this came back whether we whether we would
have him back or not. Home Coach holmgrend I aren
on record as the saying we would take him back
if you ever want to, But I thought.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
There was a zero percent chance of that actually happening.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
But I think after a apology, after you know, a
public showing, and after ripping up the first four teams,
he's going to play because we know how demand Williams
plays against the not very good teams in college football.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
He's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I think people will be back on his you know,
bandwagon by October.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
How about you? How would you handle this with with him?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
If you're a coach and you know that the entire
fan base strong majority, right yeah, is turned off by
you and what you the decision you made, Your agent
dumped you because of this. How do you handle this
if you're jedfish to try to get him back where
he needs to be with the community.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Well, I think I feel that I don't know this,
but I think they probably had a long conversation before
this all started. Okay, and so you know, he's been
with him, He came here, brought him here from Arizona,
you know, all that kind of stuff. So they they've
been together and he's been successful now together, and so
(21:16):
he leaves right now, he all of a sudden, I'd
be disappointed if I was the coach. But then all
of a sudden he wants to come back, or something happens,
he goes, he could come in. I made a mistake,
take me back, and I take him back. But then
we'd sit down and say, Okay, here's what do you
have to do. And to Dick's point and to your point,
(21:37):
not so much to your point, because you wouldn't take
him back, but I mean if you take it. And
I understand that, David, I really do. I don't play
but you, but you you sit him down and you go, Okay,
here's how we have to handle this and kind of
counsel him through, getting the fans back on inside, getting
the people here on inside, and nothing's going to change
too much until he starts winning games, and he's going
(22:00):
to if he comes back. Yeah, and then, like I said,
I think it's gonna be okay, but you have to
sit down and have a serious talk about how we're
gonna handle this.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
No, I don't think you can just brush this turn
of the rock. I don't think you can just deny
him in appearance with the media absolu. I mean, you know,
Jedfish the way that he's run his football program, at
least with the players in the media. This is not
the university, by the way, and it's definitely not the
sports information department. This is what Jed has wanted. Since
he's been the head coach at Washington. Player availability has
(22:31):
been minimal at Washington compared to Kaln de boor you
know that, right, it's been totally different. Trots out a
couple of players a week, sometimes four players a week
and that's it. So the opportunities to talk to de
Mont Williams sometimes there are very few and far between.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Well. The other thing is I think would help is
you have team leaders. Right, He's not the only guy, right,
you have team leaders. Those guys have to come out
on his you know, and talk about having him back
and what it means and we're to have him back
and all that kind of stuff coming from his from
his teammates.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I think demand needs to not only show, you know, remorse,
he needs to be straight with us as to why
he did this, because I think the fan base will
sniff out a lie so easily. He is gonna come
out and say, listen, so and so called me. I
was like, it's two million dollars more than I was
(23:25):
making here, I'm taking the two million. I mean, he
just needs to fall on his knees and say this
is what I did. Because if he tries to make
some bs up, people are gonna sniff right through that
and not forgive him.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
You know, it's your point tick And that's what college
football now drives me cuckoo, because you have kids. Heck,
I remember Karan Robinson coming in after we drafted number one,
from a very very poor background, not much there. All
of a sudden he gets this money coming in the
NFL and all of a sudden, Oh, it's like he
(23:59):
hit the lotto, you know, the lottery. You want it?
What a kid if depending on his background, I don't
know what his background is, but all of a sudden
you four million, six million dollars. Oh yeah, and you
and he kind of it screws up your thinking a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I just I just think he's got to be coached
up on what to say. I mean, everything's going to
be nitpicked, Dick. I understand that, you know, but I
just think you just you just own it. From the start.
You don't blame anybody, you say, you know what, I
just I messed up. You know, maybe I got some
bad advice whatever, but I screwed up, and I.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Apologize and ask for forgiveness, and he asked.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
For forgiveness, and you move on. You don't, you don't,
you don't. You don't say anything about money or whatever.
You just say, you know what, I'm a human being.
I screwed up.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I mean, I could write this damn thing absolutely.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I understand the criticism. I understand why people were upset
with me. I'm supposed to be the leader of this
football team, and I wanted to quit on this football team.
And I understand why.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
You, you and you and you are upse that with me.
I don't blame you whatsoever. That's on me. And all
I can do now is show you that I'm contrite.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I can show you that I am authentic in my apology,
and I'm gonna go out and represent this university in
the best way possible I can. And oh, by the way,
I'm gonna guarantee you a fourth year right now, right,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Honestly, like you, just you, you have got to own this.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
You have to own it from the start, like, this
is your kid telling him to own it.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
So I don't know, man, this is gonna be wild.
As you ask me at the beginning of the show,
You're like, do you feel a little bit? Oh god,
this is gonna be a soap opera?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Man, the hustle football is going to be in the
center of the college football world.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
What did I say at the start of the show
to you? Remember when I asked you, well, you asked me.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
If I had had any if I felt sorry at all, right,
And I said I didn't, right, but I said a
little bit of me did, And almost I almost feel
more sorry for him now because of what he is
going to have to go through over the next couple
of weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
This is gonna be the gauntlet for Demand Williams.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
You guys ever had it? Has he come on the show?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
And oh many times? Yeah, he's been great.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
You know the kid, but of course.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
I mean we had him on live during springball. He
was phenomenal. I just talked to the guy. I think
it was before the Orton game or whatever it was.
I had no issue with him. He was freaking great
in person. Once took her on.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
The phone, But that happens to a lot of kids
and interview settings. So I thought he was fine, Jackson,
you got.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Something back there? Nothing? Yeah, okay, I thought you were mumbling.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
That must have been my brain. Yeah, there's a lot
going on in our brains right now. My brain's scrambled.
Was the marbles moving around in my brain?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Well, Mike, before we get to some texts on this
next segment, A lot of coaches will say things like,
you know what, we don't.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Care who we're playing. We're ready for anybody.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
And they'll say that in public, which is what you're
supposed to say in public, obviously. But if you're coaching
this football team RAM, San Francisco, Carolina, Green Bay, is
there anybody you're kind of thinking, Yeah, we kind of
match up with those guys better, and I would love
for that team to win so we can see them one.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, the other the other teams, The one team that
I think would be most turning to me, the Rams.
You know, they've they've they've played them tough, they know them.
Both teams are good, you know, there have been real
weaknesses shown by the other teams, you know, in Green
Bayers example, they've they've finished. I think they lost five
in a row, you know, the last five games, So
(27:18):
I think it goes through your mind. But then you say,
you got to be prepared. I go back to the
time I was with San Francisco and we played we
were the number one seed, and then we practiced for
two weeks and Bill coach Walsh just killed the guys
just for two weeks, and we practiced for two teams,
specifically for two teams. Then we wound up playing Minnesota
(27:40):
and they beat us. They beat us, and they were
like the sixth seed or something like that.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
They weren't one of the teams that you were preparing for.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
No, and when they beat us, and it just shocked
and but we learned. I learned one and Bill kind
of said this. He by the time we got to
the game, we were white out. Yeah, everyone was tired.
So Mike, it's my understanding now, is giving the guys
off Friday, Saturday, Sunday coming, you know, and just practicing
(28:10):
next week normally. And that's, in my opinion, that's the
way to do it. That's what I would do it.
That's the kind of the Super Bowl. The two weeks
of the Super Bowl, Yes, but you have to have
you have to have some things ready for the possibility
of playing one team or another.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Did you like now, obviously you would rather have the
buy than not, or because you got a free win,
you've got the home game, absolutely, but did you did
you like the two weeks? So let's say in two
thousand and five, take us through what you did during
those two weeks in two thousand and five, and did
you feel like it was it was good that you
got the extra week.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
I always think it was good. The first first reason
is guys that are knocked up and banged up and
sore and hurt, you got time to recover. So by
the time you get to the game normally you have
your whole roster is there available to you. That's the
first thing. The second thing is, in based on my
experience that had in San Francisco, the pacing of it
(29:04):
and the pacing of like going to the Super Bowl.
You know, you have that first week you're practicing and
you're having him think and you're having doing those things,
but really you don't get it cranked up until that
second week then, and so just the pace of it,
so you're not the players aren't ready to play the
game Thursday. They got to be ready Sunday. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I gotta tell you, man, We're sitting here talking football
one of the all time great coaches in the history
of the NFL, and my mind is just blowing. Do
I seem distracted to you? My mind is blown, man.
I'm sorry, no over this to mony.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
You know what? No, but you know what, I think
I know you well. How long have we I.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Known you twenty seven years?
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Yeah, and I think I know you well enough to
know that you sit there, dick, you and I will
take over. Okay, we're the rest of the show.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Okay,
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