Softy & Dick 1-9 Hour 1: Hawks, M’s, Mike Holmgren Hour-Long Visit

In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain talk about the Seahawks Offensive Coordinator situation, the Mariners making a minor move, then chat with Mike Holmgren about Ryan Grubb’s firing, Pete Carroll, Geno Smith, the offensive line, and fires in L.A.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Go.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
We actually did not mention the big Seahawks news in
the updates on purpose because I want to talk about
it in this segment.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
We know the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's funny you and I yesterday I think it was yesterday,
we're just talking about how the Chicago Bears had the
exact same problems with their interim coaching staff as they
did with the previous coaching staff, right managing the clock.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, look at this.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
The Seahawks have requested the interview Bears interim head coach
Thomas Brown for their vacant offensive coordinator position. They also
would like to talk to Hank Fraley, who's the offensive
line coach in Detroit, about their OC job, and Clint Kubiak,
the Saints offensive coordinator as well, for their vacant position.

(00:48):
I'm just gonna go ahead and just kind of refer
to what Jackson and I said a couple days ago
on the radio. Jackson, if you're still there, by the way,
wake up. I'm not really gonna lose much sleep over
the OC is. Tell me who the players are, tell
me who the offensive line is gonna consist of, Tell
me what the quarterback situation's gonna consist of tell me
what the tight end room looks like in a year

(01:08):
from now. I mean, like all these guys, I'm sure
philosophy wise, we can get kind of a feel for,
you know, what Mike McDonald wants to do. If they
hire Hank Freeley, then we're gonna run the ball five
hundred times a game. But I'm not losing much sleepover
this stuff. But I do find it funny though that
you and I were just backing on Thomas Brown yesterday yesterday,
and now he's up for an interview for the job.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Well, yeah, and you take a look at I mean,
Thomas Brown was putting into a bad position.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Of course, of course.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
I mean so you can't really judge too much of
what he did as a head coach. But last year
to twenty twenty three, he was the you know, with
the Panthers, they've had no offense. I mean, it just
looked like the Bears look like a team that had
no leadership from beginning to end.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
And Thomas Brown was just a part of that. He
was he was a part of that. Waldron was a
part of that. The head coach was a part of that.
The eber Flues was a part of that.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
But I don't think as much I disliked the job
Ryan Grubb this year did this year. I am not
under any delusions of grandeur that the Seahawks are gonna
find somebody significantly better as an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
But I do think they're gonna try to find somebody that's.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Different, of course, as an offensive coordinator, and that's what
I want to see. I want to see a different
offensive coordinator. I just don't think we're gonna find something
diamond in the rough. Of course, it's gonna be this
brilliant guy that's gonna put up twenty eight points a
game for him.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, what you're looking for as an offensive coordinator that
eventually is gonna be sought after as a head coach.
I mean, that's that's what you want, because the guy's
doing a hell of a job. Like you know, he
had Gus Bradley, you had Dan Quinn. But I mean,
just to go back to your point about you know
we want something different, well I would sure Dan will hope.
So if you want something If you don't want something different,
then why'd you fire the guy? I mean, Jesus, I mean,

(02:49):
you know there better be something different with the offensive coordinator,
What the hell was the point of what you just
went through in the last year. And I I gotta
tell you, I'm starting to kind of put the pieces
together a little bit with this grub firing and hiring
and all that, And I don't know, man, I just
feel more now than ever that I think John Schneider
just dropped the ball on this entire thing, right, I mean,
if they're not going to be happy with Ryan Grubbs

(03:12):
approach to offense, then why was the guy hired in
the first place?

Speaker 5 (03:16):
Right?

Speaker 2 (03:16):
I Mean it kind of feels like he was forced
down McDonald's throat and it maybe wasn't going to be
a guy that they would have hired. And I get
it was kind of maybe later in the game there
may not have been as many guys available.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
All that leave McDonald when he says he was one
hundred percent involved in the hiring of Ryan Green or chose, Well,
that's two totally different things, true, completely different things.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I mean, was he involved, Of course he was involved.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Did John Schneider continue to keep him up to a
date and abreast of the progress he was making in
candidates two thousand percent? Like, do I believe that John
Schneider woke up one day and just sent McDonald text
and say, hey, by the way, canngrats Ryan Grubbs your
new OC.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
And he says, what where'd that come from? No, I
don't buy that at all.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I mean I think I think involved and making the
choice are two completely different things. And look, I would
I would let I would let McDonald make the higher
I mean, I would be a part of the process
if I'm Schneider, no question about that. But here's the deal, man,
these guys gotta sit together for twelve hours a day.
They got to work together. Schneider's not in the film room.
Schneider's not in the video room. Snyder's not on the

(04:20):
practice field, in the weeds, in the locker room. So
I hope everybody learns from this and they give McDonald
the guy that he wants and a guy that he
wants to work with because this idea that he was
just kind of picked for him.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I'm not a fan of that, Dick.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
No, I'm not either. Backed up Thomas Brown for a second.
I mean, remember last year was Bryce Young's rookie season,
and what.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Did everybody say about Bryce Young? That dude's done? But
he is terrible, right, who was the offensive coordinator Thomas Brown?
Thomas Brown.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
And then all of a sudden this year with Dave Canalis,
people are like, maybe Bryce Young's the answer in Carolina
Thomas Brown.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean, can you imagine?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Well, look, I mean the clock management was terrible for Chicago.
I mean you kind of tend to give a little
bit of a break for what happened. And then the
Saints Mann and mc kubiak, the Saints started off on
fire and then they just fell apart. I mean Derek
Kagart hurt. That was obviously part of it. I mean
the Hank Frayley thing. I guess if I'm intrigued by anything,
it's probably him. I like thinking outside the box when

(05:21):
it comes to this stuff. And you're talking about a
guy that played offensive line for ten eleven years in
the NFL and a guy who is the current offensive
line coach for the Lions. I don't know if he's
ever called plays in the NFL. He's the same age
as Grub if that means anything. He's forty eight years old,
forty seven years old. But I like thinking outside the box.

(05:43):
I like saying, hey, let's go get a guy that
specializes in the run. Let's get a guy that specializes
an offensive line. We can hire a passing game coordinator
if we need to to maybe call plays. Potentially, I
would think the offensive coordinator is going to call plays.
But you're gonna hire Hank Frayley, you better go get
a damn good passing coordinator. Because I like the idea

(06:04):
of focusing the offensive line and focusing on the run.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
I have no problem with that whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
I mean, the line has been their achilles heel, and
to go out and get a offensive line centric offensive
coordinator the philosophy I have no problem with.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Is this guy the right guy? Hell, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
I've never even heard of him until today, But the
philosophy I think is pretty sound.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Well, would you take it. Let's say these are Gino
Smith's numbers this year? Would you take in ten? Let's
say Gino Smith played ten games instead of seventeen. Okay,
all right, and he threw for sixty eight percent right, okay,
seven point seven yards per attempt, fifteen touchdowns, five interceptions,
and a one oh one passer rating.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Would you've signed up for that for Gino Smith this year? Probably?
It's just better than Gino, right, but he's making He's
about to make forty five million dollars.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
But the reason I brought that up is those were
Derek Carr's numbers under Clint Kubiak this year in ten games,
and what happened to his number one wide receiver, Chrystal
Lobby was out. So he was doing this with with
who at wide receiver? He was doing it with Marquez Valdez,
Scandling and Rashid Shaheed and Cedric Wilson. He was putting

(07:11):
up numbers with a lot worse wide receivers.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Than Gino Smith was putting up number. I thought. I
thought she'd got hurt too, was games.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I mean the numbers, you know. Again, I just I
don't like just sitting around staring at numbers. You know,
I told you that a couple of days ago, and
just I think we do that way too often in
this business. Look at the numbers. I mean, did did
Derek Carr really impress me with those numbers?

Speaker 5 (07:31):
No?

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Probably not. But again, it's just all about the freaking line, dude.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I mean, tell me about his line, tell me about
Hank Fraley's line, tell me about Thomas Brown's line in Chicago.
Tell me about how many Pro Bowl caliber players they
had to work with. Tell me about how many Pro
Bowl caliber players they turned guys into. You know, how
many guys were they a part of developing into you know,
all pro were Pro Bowl type offensive lineman. That's what

(07:56):
Schneider needs, you know, Schneider needs a guy to come
in there and and fix that.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
End the story, because if it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Get fixed, Snyder is gonna be done at some point
very soon. He's gonna be done if this doesn't get fixed.
So I like the philosophy. By the way, So Mike
Horgan is gonna join us at two twenty eight, and
we'll have Mike for an hour before cracking Columbus. The
other story I want to get to real quick. And
I'm bringing this up knowing that neither one of you
guys give it damn. All right, I know that going in. Okay, Okay, Jackson.

(08:25):
Do you think the topic is? What's the topic? Neither
one of you guys give it damn To discuss this
on the air the other day, what is the topic?

Speaker 3 (08:34):
None of us get none of you care. You don't care.
We literally just talked about this season. Yeah, ding ding ding,
ding game.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Because the Mariners went out today got another guy for
their forty man roster. We leave her name Tyler J.
From the Brewers, who's appeared in five games in the
major leagues.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well that's five times more than Hagadas.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
So they now have they now have four players that
they have brought in that have appeared in a great
total of twenty five major league games between Austin Shitt
and Tyler J. Hagen does the ice cream Man, and
catcher Nick Riposo. And by the way, today they went
to arbitration with a bunch of guys, And just so
we want to know, the way arbitration works. The team

(09:14):
puts in a number, and the player puts in a number,
and the arbitrator picks one.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
That's it. That's that's all there is. There's no negotiating,
there's no this, there's no that.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
They just give me your number, give me your number,
and I pick who's gonna be right. Okay, But today
the Mariners Logan Gilbert seven point six million, George Kirby
four point three million, Col Raley five point six million,
Randy Rosrena got what you said?

Speaker 3 (09:39):
How much was he getting? Eleven million dollars?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
So if you combine, if you look at Logan Gilbert,
George Kirby, Bryce Miller, Brian Wu, which is four to
fifty year rotation, and cal Raley. So the battery right,
eighty percent of the battery, and your catcher are making
nineteen point one million dollars combined. Next, according to Baseball
reference dot com, Mitch Hanneger and Mitch Garver combined are

(10:04):
making twenty eight million, nine million dollars, more than maybe
five of your best six players on your baseball team
in Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, Coy Roley, Bryce Miller, and
Brian Wu. So when I get worked up about the
moment in time that the Mariners are at right now
and the opportunity that they have to go out and

(10:25):
win a championship, this is what I'm talking about, because
this is a gift from the baseball gods.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I've said that before.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, coyw Roley, Bryce Miller, Brian Who
making nineteen million dollars is a freaking gift from the
baseball gods, and they're throwing it away.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
And it's not just about spending more money.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's about spending it in the right way, and they're
about to give Mitch Garver and Mitch Hanneger twenty eight
million fricking dollars for likely nothing, and it's so frustrating, Dick.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Well, I mean, first of all, we have got to
give some props to Jerry Depoto for building that battery
that you talked about for how much money?

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yes, I mean that dude nothing. That dude has put.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Like six all star caliber players on his baseball team.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Right for zero dollars. But he can't go on offense.
But so that we have to give him credit. Yes,
I agree, I agree, But then you're right.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
The rest of the roster needs to be filled out,
and he is not filling it out the right way.
He's he's grasping its straws to try to bring in
offense well to fill out the rest of the ross.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
And he's grasping at straws for two reasons. Number one,
because the Mariners are financially strapped, and number two, of
the money he did have you threw it away on.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Mitch Garver and Mitch Haniger.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
How much would you like to have twenty eight million
dollars right now for your poo to work with instead?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
It's going to Mitch Handiger and Mitch garvering here.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
It's like it's like Dixon going to school and getting
an A plus on a math test and then punching
a classmate on the way out the door and getting suspended. Like, dude,
you did great on the test. What the hell was
your problem? He had to sock the guy. You're just
spinning your wheels. You're sitting here in neutral and it's
killing me because with this road, there should be so
much buzz over the offseason right now for this baseball team,

(12:05):
so much buzz. I mean, imagine if Hanniger had worked out,
if Garver had worked out, if Polanco had worked out,
and I if it would have worked out, they would
have had a much better year.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
But there'd be one of them works out to make
the playoffs. There yes to be so.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Much more buzz over the off season, and there's no buzz.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Zero. You'd rather have a pencil to the ear canal.
It's up to them. I'm talking about start baseball.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
For them to start twenty five and eighteen and give
us a reason to have buzz in the first two
months of the season.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
I got two guys that work here that have admitted
they don't care. They're apathetic. I'd rather not care than getting.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Holy right, I'd rather have ten dollars in a pocket
everything than watch the Mariners.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
I'm not gonna go that far, because I will. You
did go that far. Yeah, but I'm so rude yesterday.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
But we're talking about I will bring root back in
the beginning of April. In the season, I won't. I
will watch the games. I feel like I have to
watch the games, and I'm intrigued to see what this
baseball team is gonna do. But I'm not going to
let this baseball team bother me. I'll put it back.
I have gotten past the point of getting pissed off
all the time at this.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Baseball well, I like to be bothered. I that past
the point of having the Seahawks. Seahawks pissed me off
all year long.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, maybe I'll get apathetic about them at some point,
but I'm not there yet.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Well that's the It's the definition of apathy when you
just check out. You just you're not You're not interested
enough to even have it bother you mentally, just like
the hell with it, man, forget it.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
You know, it's just not worth it.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Here's here's how I also, I mean, it's for me,
it's financials, right, And for a lot of people out there,
you're you're you're thinking, okay, is it ten dollars a
month for to have roots sports on my Fubo or
whatever you watch it? And for me, the economics is
very simple. And if I'm a random personally, I have
a buddy who you say, who says, I'm just not
gonna pay for that, And honestly, I'd rather pay the
eighty dollars for the year of seeing the Sounders than

(13:46):
pay ten dollars a month to see the Mariners and
watch a team that actually invests money and wants to
go win games, not the Seattle Mariners who clearly don't.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, I mean, the biggest movie of the off season
is a Ferrera guy, right, yeah, and it's two bod
nobody even knows who he is. Well, I don't know
how to soccer fans do, but what the hell, right,
get the baseball version of Ferreiro.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Because this is this is because this, I mean right now,
he's a top United States men's national team.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
That's a great question. Who would be there?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
So if they got like pie Alonzo, would that be
comparable Jesus for well, good luck, good luck, all right,
good luck. See what Boris wants to make Yeah, he
wants to be like stupid, Yeah, from a contract that
was signed twelve years ago. Yes, but again that that's
likely what they'll do. And I'm willing to well I'm not,
I mean willing. Who cares what I'm willing to do.

(14:33):
I got no choice. It's only the night of January.
The season is not starting for four months, but there's
gonna be guys like that. We'll get to the middle
of March. Hell, maybe even the first week of the year,
who knows, maybe the season even starts, and there's guys
that just weren't It's like, look, if I'm gonna play,
if I'm gonna move my family, I'm not doing it
for that. And then they may have to settle for
a lot less than they want when the season starts.

(14:54):
So we'll see. But it's just, uh, it's unreal, man.
They just keep getting these gifts and they they just
reject them. They just said, no, we don't want that,
we don't want that. All right, We're gonna break two
nineteen On a busy Thursday, we got cracking hockey against
the Columbus Blue Jackets coming up at four o'clock. Pregame
at three point thirty UDUB Michigan State in East Lansing today,

(15:15):
by the way, as the Husky start a stretch of
five games in a row, all against top twenty net teams.
And that game's over on nine point fifty am. By
the way, because we got hockey here at three point
thirty pre game four o'clock face off Mike Holmgren, who
actually made a veteran move by getting here a bit early.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
He's gonna avoid all the autograph hounds.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Ever since Mike Holmgren became a finalist for the Hall
of Fame, everybody wants the guy's signature. Nobody gave a
damn a month now. They don't want to have, you know,
a piece of the action. He'll join us next from
the five to twenty Bar and Grill on ninety three
to three KJARFM.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
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(16:09):
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Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, some jazzy music there. Just realized I.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Like it jazzy that music, well, moving a little bit.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Hey, by the way, I good on you to get
here early before the autograph hounse show up.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Man, Holy cow, you go home and tell Kathy about
all that. Ways, what's changed something in Canton.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
I don't know. I don't want to jinx it yet,
but you know, once you're a finalist, apparently that's enough.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
Man, No, we gotta wait.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Holy moly, Well it's good to see Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Normally would be on the air four o'clock, but Ian
had to leave early and get his makeup applied for.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Those TV broadcast.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, Rockey Hockey.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Takes a lot of makeup, man for that guy, right,
So he had to get the hell out of here.
So we got you until three point thirty. We're at
the five twenty Bar and Grill. But Uh, why don't
we start at the top. I mean, you've been in
a couple of shows already, but maybe our crew hasn't
heard you much. But Ryan grub is out after one
year as the offensive coordinator. I know you said Monday
you weren't a fan of the move. Here we are

(17:09):
three days later. Has anything changed for you at all?

Speaker 5 (17:11):
No, Well, it's just I think it's a philosophical difference.
But I also said every coach has to look at
it their own way because they're the coach making the decision.
And the day before he was fired, I went on
the air and said there's no way. So I was
dead wrong. Yeah, you know, and so that probably hit
a nerve too, But no, I always felt listen, I

(17:34):
hire staff, you bring them in, you bring their families in.
It's my job. Part of my job is to make
him good, make him successful too. And so you see
it more in the league now, more than it seems
to me than in years past. We're not only assistant
coaches but head coaches one year and then done.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Come on, I'll go back to that for just a second,
because you said it's your job to almost coach the coaches, right, Yeah,
I don't know how much coaching there was to Ryan
Grubb from Mike McDonald. He's a first year guy, he's
thirty five, he's a defensive coach.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Whatever. Who was there to coach Ryan Grubb in his
first year in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Well, maybe coaching you wouldn't use in that context, but
you would say, I'm the head coach. If you're unhappy
with something, he comes into the office. You spell it
out and then hopefully it's corrected. If it's not corrected,
if it keeps happening and happening and happening, then you

(18:35):
got to make a change. I just I had never
experienced anything quite like that in my coaching life. I
had only one time let the defensive go, and that
was Steve Sidwell, who was a longtime friend and a
coordinator at New Orleans, an excellent coach, and all of
a sudden it didn't work. And he came into my

(18:56):
office and said, Mike, you got to fire me. I'm
hurt you wow, And I said Steve. He goes, no,
I'm okay. We're still friends, but I'm not helping, And
so I had I'm That's the only time I did it,
and I still to this day, I kind of, I
just it wasn't in my danna. I didn't want to.

(19:17):
I wanted to make that guy better, maybe help him
get a head job, maybe help him go from a
position coach to a quarterinator coordinators job someplace. I think
it might have stemmed from, and Dick knows this from
my high school coaching. You know, you're dealing with young
little kids and the young kids and you want to
make them better, and you can see him better and
it makes you feel good. That's what makes you feel good.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Well, Softie's brought up a couple of times a good point,
which happens sometimes.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Actually he does bring up good points.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
And he's talking, he talks, and he's talking about why
yocre points. Why doesn't Mike McDonald just get into the headset.
For example, first and ten from the Minnesota thirty seven
yard line, you're already in Jason Myers field goal range
and say Ryan, you are running the ball on first
and ten here, and why doesn't something like that happen?

(20:07):
Because he was clearly upset, you know, we read Corbyn
Smith's article. He was clearly upset that Ryan decided to
pass there sack forced him into a sixty yard field goal,
which which was badly short. Do you get would you
get if you're a defensive coach, would you get into
the headset of the offensive coordinator saying you are running
the football on this play?

Speaker 5 (20:28):
Absolutely? I would do that, Okay, but I would also
And I'm not defending Mike. He doesn't need me to
defend him. But if he was, he should have done it.
If he was going to get that upset by it,
he should have done that. He can do that on
his phone, right, Okay. I used to do that with
Fris Shrmer, who was one of the great defensive coordinators ever.
You know, not much, but every once in a while

(20:49):
I go click him on. I said, okay, go change it,
go get him, blitz him. Let's we got to change
this somehow. And he would do it, you know. And
so but and as a coordinator, I don't care how
bright you are, how you you know, if the head
coach says do.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
This, yeah, you do it right totally? Yeah. I mean
that's my feeling. And I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
I mean, people have talked about Ryan Grubb being insubordinate
and saying no, and I just I got a hard
time thinking that.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Mike.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
No, I did toune dave? I really do I but
again I came from a different coaching era. Yeah, you
know Bill Walsh tells me to do something, I don't go. No,
you know, well.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
That's Bill Walls too though. I mean, this is a
rookie head coach. If he were talking to a rookie offense.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
That does that matter that point that he just brought
up because we've talked about he's twelve years yeh.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Ryan Grubb is twelve years older than Mike McDonald.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Could you imagine a scenario, because these coaches are human,
they got personalities and traits too, where he says, I'm
forty eight or thirty six, you just sit there and
pipe down, kid.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
No, I can't imagine him doing that. He might have,
he wouldn't outwardly do that, but then by his actions,
essentially he's saying the same thing if that in fact happened.
But as a as a rookie head coach with the
Packers like I was, I you know, there were moments
where I Tomlevot, my line coach, been in the lee

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head coach older than me. He would be the guy
that would come in every once in a while, and
he was but during the games. He was just on fire.
And there were times when I'd have to go over
and I say, hey, let me see, let me see
the picture. They used to have pictures on the sideline.
I want to see the offensive line. You go like this,
He'd pull it away, let me see it. I go,

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give me the I can't tell you how exactly how
I said it, but I said, I want to see
the pictures. Give him to me and eventually do it.
You know, it's called even in high school, even when
I was on the safety patrol in the sixth grade
at Westportal Elementary School, it's called if you don't do that,
it's in subordination, and if you can't tolerate. If you're

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the head coach. If you're the head coach, you're the
head coach, regardless of how old you are and who's
on the staff and things like.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Who was your Fritz came to you in ninety four?
Is that right with green Bay? Your second year? Third
year in green Bay's correct?

Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (23:11):
So who is your DC in your first year as
the package? Ray rhads, Ray Roads, Okay, were.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
You intimidated by him at all?

Speaker 5 (23:18):
Ray? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
No, okay, good, I'm just checking he was a gruff dude.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
Though, No, oh listen.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Because he's he's older than you. Is that right? Ray
Roads is maybe a little bit slightly right, slightly. I'm
just trying to paint We had worked together, and so
I'm just trying to paint.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
A picture of a rookie head coach who was not
comfortable yet in his skin to demand what Dick is
talking about.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
McDonald should have demanded from gruff. Did you ever feel
that way?

Speaker 5 (23:41):
No, I no, I thought it was No. No, I
did not, honestly, but I knew My two coordinators were
Sherm Lewis and Ray Rhoads. We'd work together in San Francisco. Yep,
we'd had a beer on occasion together. We were friends,
but they were I was really outstanding. But you're right, Dick.
Ray was tough sometimes sometimes the defensive players that look

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at me and go so but then he you know,
he then left and went back to the forty nine ers.
Then that's when Fritz came in. And then Fritz when
he came here, he passed away, unfortunately, and that's when
I hired Steve. So it's uh, but I think I
think I heard Mike say this. You either said it

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on a press conference or my first visit with him
back when that he hired. He they got He got
into the hiring thing a little late, and he hired
he didn't necessarily want to hire guys he knew he
wanted to go the other way, you know, and look
at it that way.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
How attractive his job because I think, I mean, optimists
could say, well, look at the defense, You're.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Gonna have a good defense for the next few years. Yeah,
and then and then you have dk Metcap.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
But the past mister will be like, well you got
Geno Smith, maybe you might not have him. You got
a terrible offensive line, you can't run the ball. So
how how do you balance out whether this is a
good job or not.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
I think it's a great job, Okay, I really do.
I think the team's going to continue to get better.
You know. Uh again, I have a lot of confidence
in Mike to get this thing done. And you know,
he look at it's he's a he is a rookie coach,
first year, young guy, not knowing, not ever having worked

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very much with the staff he has and putting in
new systems and all that, and they won ten games.
Now people are disappointed they want more than that. He
wanted more than that, But I just see a I
just see a positive future for this. So to your point,
take being the coordinator, the offensive coordinator. Mike still coaches

(25:44):
the defense, so he wants a guy that will, you know,
run the offense, but at the same time, listen to
the head coach. You know that's that's that would be
the difference.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I think, well, I just I also wonder how much
of a different approach Mike McDonald himself takes next year.
Maybe he's more aggressive with this next guy than he
was or Ryan Grubb. Maybe he's learned about what he
feels like he can and cannot get away with. We're
gonna break. We'll talk more about this. What do you
want in the new OC? Does it matter who the
new OC is? If the old line doesn't get fixed?
Gino Smith's contract, they're about to have a giant cap

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number for him. Got the NFL playoffs starting this weekend.
The Rams may have to move their game on Monday
to Arizona. That's all coming up. Mike Comrian with us, Saftie,
Dick and Jackson with you till three twenty from the
five twenty bar and Grill before the Cracking and Columbus
face off at four.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Right here on ninety three three KJRFM.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
Softie and Dick with Mike Ombrin from the five twenty
Bar and Grill in Bellevue. Continue on your home for
the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point three kjr FN.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
All right back here the five twenty bar and Grill
until three twenty or so. We got Cracking Columbus pregame
coming up at three point thirty. Face off at four
o'clock from Columbus, Ohio. Here hanging out with Mike Holmgrin
because he and Ferness had to get off early and
get all dulled up for the hockey broadcast on TV.
So if he's gonna put that much makeup on, at

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least do him a favorite watch for crying out loud?
You know who else is going to be on TV today?
At least over like a zoom call? I think is
Pete Carroll really interviewing for the Chicago Bears job?

Speaker 5 (27:17):
They're going to have that on zoom I think, so
the whole thing will be on Yeah, he questions the answers, it's.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Too old to fly everything to do it on video?
Oh my gosh, what do you know, I can't fly
to road games.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
I coach. He just wants to coach from his family room.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
What do you think about that idea of the Bears
grabbing Pete Carroll?

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Well, normally i'd say if I didn't know it was Pete,
i'd say, you know, the coach was probably a little
too old. Yeah, it's time to pass the torch.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
But then he's the one guy that has all this.
You know, he is really a different seventy was he
seventy two?

Speaker 3 (27:53):
He's seventy four in September seventy four?

Speaker 5 (27:55):
How old are you? By the way, I'm seventy six
and seventy seven in June. Wow. So but I can
still do it? Yeah, you know, he said, I want
to get except I want to go home at six
o'clock at night.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
I can't wake up at four in the morning.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
No, it's it's uh. If anyone can pull that off,
he might be able to, you know. Uh. But if
I was the president, like I was for a while,
I'd probably be looking for a little bit younger guy.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I like it because one, they need a figurehead.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
They haven't had a figurehead head coach since Ditka for
God's sake, since they and then also he's had the
experience of coaching a rookie quarterback and Caleb Williams, I mean,
he had no coaching this year, so he's basically a
rookie again next year, and he did a great job.
Do you think he'd be able to do the same
thing with Caleb that he did with Russell?

Speaker 5 (28:45):
I think again, Pizza defensive guy, you know, right, So
as far as the team chemistry and all that kind
of stuff, I think he's that's a real strength of
his getting everyone pumped up. And but Caleb, they still
need an offensive guy. We're talking about it here, right,
They need an offensive coordinator and that quarter guy who

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knows quarterbacks sure to get him to play up to
his potential. I believe that.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
So the question was brought up on the other day's show,
I think Millan was on, and we talked about whether
or not Ryan Grubbs firing says anything about the Seahawks'
willingness to bring Geno Smith back. And I think Millan's
point and if I butcher this, I'm sorry, I'm sure
he's listening right now.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Don't butcher it. Okay, We're going to get a text.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Oh, I'm more scared of him than I am.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
You for crying out loud. It's my wife, Millan Holmgren.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
So Hugh said he still thinks it's more likely than
not that Gino's back next year, but the odds have
dropped a little bit with the firing of Ryan Grubb.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 (29:50):
It makes it makes sense. And I rarely disagree with
Hugh because he really does study the stuff. But I
would say he's going to be back. I would say that, right,
That's what he did, That's.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
What he was saying. He just thinks it's slightly less likely.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Maybe maybe, But I don't think I think that Ryan
Webb think I think that was a totally separate issue, okay,
And so I don't think that we'll have much effect
on the decision.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Well, the question about Geno is the cap number right?
It's forty four and a half million dollars right now,
right next year. So if you're going to try to
run the ball more, can you justify putting forty four
and a half million dollars to your quarterback room when
you could cut him, save thirty one million, go sign
somebody else for a lot cheaper likes Kirk Cousins maybe

(30:40):
coming off the Achilles and maybe he'll be better by
this time in a year from now whatever, And then
spend all that money on your offensive line. What are
you doing as the GM and the president.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
Yeah, those are decisions. They're going to have to come up,
come up with solutions. But the maybe's and all that
kind of stuff. Now you got to say, is who
can we get anybody that can play quarterback like he
can right now? And we know what he can do?
Now are the running game? Yeah, we got to get
better in the running game. So how can we get

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keep him and then do some of those other things
as well. I go back to when my financial people
used to say, talk about what you just did. You
know we can't keep him him him, him, him, And
I say, okay, hold it, I'm going to put on
the roster I want on the board. Okay, Now we'll

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go from there. These are the guys I want. How
do we pay them? How do we get it done?
And then if you tell me it's impossible, then all
of a sudden we're working. But if we can do
some things with other contracts and still approach becoming a
better offensive line, getting maybe someone else, you know, whatever

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they need. Then the quarterback position is the one you
need to have. You need to have that guy.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
So do you feel more comfortable just playing him out
at forty four and a half million, or would you
feel more comfortable kicking the can down the road a
little bit, maybe only taking a twenty million dollars twenty
five million dollar cap hit this year, but have him
on an extension.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
I would, I would, I would. I would try and
linthen it slightly, you know, And and so you can
take some of the resources and pour port into the
offense line or wherever you think you need to put
it into. The thing I think is that they have
to find the next guy, whether they draft him, whether

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they trade for him, whatever. Go to your list of
quarterbacks and say, well, and you know what, I'm not
being very fair here to Sam Howe. I don't know
him very well, but I mean maybe it's tim. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
He was not a fan, yeah yeah, yeah. And if
he's not a fan, you can't be a fan by way. Yeah.
Whatever he thinks is what you after.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
He's well, he tries to pull that on me other
once in a while, you know, And I tell, I tell,
please be quiet.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
I'm talking about that's right, right, I'm a finalist for
the Hall of Fame. Who are you?

Speaker 5 (33:02):
But that's what they have to find, right. Once they
find that guy and they think they have a young guy,
a rookie, but it's got to be a young guy, sure,
then he's going to be the next guy. Then Gino's
time and how long's here changes. Probably.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I want to come back and ask you a question
that I think you might need some time to kind
of think about. Why has it been so hard for
John Schneider to fight offensive lineman? Next on ninety three
to three kJ RFL.

Speaker 7 (33:30):
Personally, the first time I remember meeting coach Holme and
he's kind of like larger than life, you know, walk
through the hall and then you're in his office and
it's kind of a twilight zone moment. But he's a
legend of our game. I mean, you think about not
only is he probably one of the top offensive mines,
play callers, head coaches, culture builders this game seen. The
first thing comes to mind is his coaching trigue and

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the people that he's been able to affect and how
that affects the game. We we love him has done
so well since then with the coaches and scheme and
all that type of stuff. So I can't imagine and
better Hall of Fame Cantan than Mike Hombron.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Oh how about that?

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Yeah, that's really something.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
He's pretty good.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Huh yeah, yeah, normally I'm not speechless, but that was
pretty nice.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
I mean, everybody is getting ready potentially, right. I think
John Boyle was probably getting some quotes and cas. There's
a need to have an article written for seahawks dot
com in case you get in. So, I mean, we
got a few weeks here obviously, but you find yourself
getting call antsy for this thing.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Well, because I'm getting nancy, you know, I try to
try to push it on the back burner, right, but uh,
my girls and now my grandkids, my grandsons, Hey, when
do they vote? What's going on? When do we leave?

Speaker 3 (34:37):
How old is the oldest grand kid?

Speaker 5 (34:38):
By the way, Emma's twenty four, so.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
She knows that. Okay, gotcha? All right? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
they're all over.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
The two younger ones are ten and anyway, and just
telling everyone take a breath. They're gonna have the vote,
you know, on the fourteenth of January and then Uh wow,
I'll see you know the days man, you brought it up.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
I didn't bring it up.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Let's go back to what we talked about into the break.
John Schneider, why has it been so hard for him
to fight offensive liven?

Speaker 5 (35:11):
You know, that's a good question. I think that uh
if he And I'm assuming John does it the same
way he did it when we were in Green Bay,
because he learned from Ron Wolf, and Ron was really good.
You'd have the coaches and scouts and everybody in a
room and for two weeks you're looking at film together.

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That's what you did all day, and then then you
he'd eventually put based on what people said, we put
our board together. I assume John does it the same way,
So I wouldn't put it all on his shoulders. I
really wouldn't. Line coaches offensive line coaches have definite ideas

(35:54):
on the type of linemen they want, and if you
change line coaches, they've had to change. They've had a
few Tom Cable, remember Tom was here. They've had some
and good line coaches, but they look for different, different pieces,
and I think I think that's been part of it.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
I really do for this OC job is interesting because
off the air you brought up the name Doug Peterson,
and the moment he was fired, I was scrolling around
on Twitter and Adam Schefter put out a post saying
he's with fire as the head coach at the Jaguars,
and I just instantly retweeted and said, how about this guy?
I mean, he's won a Super Bowl, he's from Ferndale,

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he's been an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
What's your take on Doug Peterson?

Speaker 5 (36:35):
I think it'd be perfect, I really do. I think
he's bright, he understood, he's a played quarterback, he understands offense.
He you know, he'd be the perfect fit. Now, he's
been a head coach twice. So the question remains, does
he want to come back into an organization as the

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coordinator or does he want to just say wash my hands.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
I'm wait for a while because he's still getting paid
by Jack. He doesn't have to work.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
No, he doesn't have to work. But just if you
didn't know all that other stuff, I think he'd be perfect.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Did you play for you in green Bery?

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (37:14):
Wow? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Did you know that? I mean he had like a
coach's mind.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
Yeah, But you know I've told you his story before
he So, I'm coming to Seattle, Doug, I'm gonna he's
gonna come with me. He's a free agent. I have
my heart's he's going to come in be the starting
quarterback for the Seahawks. Yeah, he's gonna come with me.
All of a sudden, I get a call. I see
reading the paper that he's going to Philadelphia with Andy Reid.

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Andy was his Andy was the quarterback coach for me.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Were you mad at Andy?

Speaker 5 (37:48):
Mad at him? I was furious? So I phone up.
I go give me Doug Peterson's phone number. I get
his phone number. I phone him. He's on the golf course.
I go, hey, this is coach hung gren. Uh. I said,
what do you you like him? When? I just start
ripping him and then and I said, good luck. I

(38:12):
hang up the phone. The next time I see him.
The next time I actually see him talk to him,
is he's I'm working the Super Bowl game for for
i R Radio for UEA, and I got to interview him.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Oh no, he comes in next time.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
The next time, so he comes in, he goes, are
you still mad at me? I said, I guess, nah,
come on come here.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
You know, and you were really pissed at him. If
Eagles game was over seventeen.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
I still wasn't mad. I wasn't mad at him at
the time. I got over that because we you know,
things happened. But that was the first time I saw him,
so I wasn't when he's I wasn't gonna get because
he walked into the room and uh I didn't leap
up and hug him. Well I should have.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
I probably you're more mad at Hammer Hutch.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
No, that's another story. Yeah, yeah, I was really mad
at Hutch.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
Yeah, you brought but Hutch I had more. He is
in person. He came back and we down Eric Kennedy's office.
I said, okay, everyone leave, and he and I were
in the room, and that's that was an interesting time.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
You brought up a good point though, about when you
hire a new offensive line coach, that guy's going to
be looking for maybe something different than what he currently
has as far as personnel, right like Charles cross, Abe,
Lucas Oulu, Lincoln, Tomlinson, Christian Haynes, Lemeya or whatever. He
might not say that I don't want these guys is
not what I'm trying to do here. If they fire
Scott Huff. The Seahawks this year will be on their

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fifth different offensive line coach.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
In eight years.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, okay, that's at what point does that revolving door
have to stop?

Speaker 5 (39:45):
It has to stop. It does have to stop, because
you know, we've talked about the inconsistency up front, and
look at you think of a quarterback going into an
organization with a new coordinator. It's going to happen here again, coordinator,
different system. The quarterback if he if he's the same guy,
has to.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Learn every fourth than six years, by the way.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
Yeah and so and so all of a sudden, you
got linemen different, different schemes, different language, all that kind
of stuff, and they have to learn it all over
again as opposed to guys that you have for a
long period of time. I go back to the when
I was at the forty nine ers before free agency.
Those linemen tackle guard. Those linemen had been together for

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nine years. Wow, and so you know they might get
beat physically on something, but they're not going to mess
up a they know it, they know the coach, they
know the scheme. And so I think I didn't know
that five with the head.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, well, Cable was in seventeen.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
So Lari showed up twenty eighteen to twenty one, came
back for a second stint.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
I think because he was with you right now he was.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
And then Andy Dickerson, who just got fired by the
Browns by the way, and now Scott Uff.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
So that'd be five guys in eight seasons.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
And the one, the one there that they should not
have fired was Mike Silari. He's one of the best ever.
And so but then you get you know, it's like
you don't know personalities, coaches, you know it's not working
for whatever reason one guy's you can't figure it out.

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So and I think it hurts the continuity. It hurts
what you're trying to get done up front. It's more
than just finding another player, you know.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
So how big of a disadvantage would the Rams be
at if they had to move out of their home
stadium for a playoff game this week?

Speaker 5 (41:39):
I don't think it'd be a tremendous disadvantage. I think
Los Angeles is the one stadium you go into I
think where you don't have a tremendous disadvantage as a
visiting team, right, Yeah, And that sounds weird, I know, but.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Nick Saban said that about Alabama going to Vanderbilt they lost.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
Yeah, you know, you just people in Los Angeles, they
got it. This's have to do right, you know.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
But how about the sailboat.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
How about just from the standpoint of you know, some
of these players have to be personally affected with this.
I mean, there's got to be people that live in
Pacific palis Ades that play on the ramps. Absolutely, so,
I mean, is that would that be something that you'd
have to that you might have to like talk to
the team about.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
Sure you would, you know, but you know, and I
kind of equate it with the forty nine ers. When
I was there after the earthquaking eighty nine, we couldn't
play in Counseling Park. We had to ad a home
game against the Patriots. They moved it to Stanford, YEP,
which isn't that far away, but it's not your own
you know, it's not the locker room. Everything's different, and
so but yeah, you're right there. I think the families

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that might be that might be the the the worst
part about it, or the toughest thing to get over
if you had family affective this, And I'm sure some
of them did.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Well he just got guys that are potentially totally distracted,
right by everything going on, and for good reason, I mean,
for God's sake, I mean JJ Riddix house burned down. No,
I know, coach of the Lakers, right, But Mike Coveran's
with us for a few more minutes. We're gonna get
over to crack in pregame at three twenty three thirty.
Excuse me faced off at four. Before we get out
of here, though, we do need to spend some time
talking about some of these candidates and more about the

(43:22):
playoffs this weekend.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Let's talk about the candidates. Do you know Clint Kubiak
at all?

Speaker 5 (43:27):
No? I knew Gary?

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Okay, so Clint Kubiak is getting his name tossed out.
These are all I think confirmed you guys. The Hawks
would like to talk to Thomas Brown, who was the
interim coach at the Bears, former running back of the Rams.
Was he the OC for the Panthers?

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (43:45):
And then you got Hank Freeley, who's never been a
coordinator or a play caller. He's a former center, right,
and he's the offensive line coach of the Lions.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Does that do anything for you? I think that third
guy there.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
I'm sure he's I'm sure he's a wonderful offensive line
coach for the Lions. I mean, I said it earlier.
I would never hire a center. Yeah, I'm trying to
picture Tobek the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Max.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
It doesn't it doesn't mesh wow. But I'm sure he's
a great coach. You know, But Kubyek, this, you know
what I would look at. I would look at clearly
what happened where they were, how did they influence the
team they were with? Now New Orleans didn't have a
great record, but you know, how did the quarterback play,
how'd the offense function? Those types of things, just to

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see to have that on the resume, I think that's important.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
You got anything else on the OCAs well?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
I just think, is there a guy out there that
you really like? I mean, I told these guys that
I don't even really care who the coordinator is. Find
me some damn lineman. I mean, honestly, like, am I
am I simplifying this too much? That until they make
a real significant bit of progress with the offensive line,
I'm not sure how much of this is really going
to matter.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
Well, I would disagree for your role, that's fine. I
know I've been wrong with Foro, but I think I
think that position is really important. It's important for him,
it's important for Mike coach McDonald. It is because he
the defense is going to keep getting better and better.
I think, yeah, in charge of that. The offense I've

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we set up before in the show. I think they're
skilled people. We have people that are good. And then
now but to your point, David, Yeah, we got to
fix the thing up front. The offensive coordinator comes in
scheme wise, but then who the line coach is and
how he meshes, how those two mesh with the head coach.
That's the important thing. They can they'll find players.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
To the playoffs. How important is it that? What are
you laughing at I'm just laughing at him. They'll find players.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I've been looking for an off line for ten years.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
When are we going to find players? Mike? We haven't
had no line since you were the day.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
I think they have twenty seven aligneman come in here.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
What do you think five linemen come in here for
the last eight years. That's crazy, right.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
Well, No, here, here's what you do. No, here's what
you do. You get the scheme. Yeah, and then you
find guys and plug them into that scheme, right. You know,
if you want you want road graders for the running game, sure,
but you can't win in the league with that.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
They got to be pass protectors first, run game runner
blocking runner second. I think otherwise the quarterback gets hit
and then you without the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
By all the playoff teams against other playoff teams this season,
so who was actually beaten good teams this year? Baltimore
blows everyone away. Yeah, they are at plus one twelve
against playoff teams. How important going into the playoffs is
it that you have beaten good teams? Or is it
just important that you're you know, fourteen and three and

(46:56):
you got a number one seed and it doesn't really
matter how you got there that you know, Like Kansas City,
for example, they're a plus four. Baltimore is a plus
one hundred and twelve.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
No, I mean that's impressive when it gets to be
that much of a difference. I think it does make
a difference. But the playoffs are a funny thing. You guys.
Remember we lost to the Bears on Monday night football
when you're thirty nine to nothing, and then we played
them in Chicago, and we should have won that game.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
They walk them to the wire. You should have won
the time right over time.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
Overtime, we couldn't. Yeah, I'm over it. I'm over it.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
If you would have had Hutch, you would have won
the game. Yeah what do that? Paiging Tim Ruskill puts,
this is.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
No way to end the show.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Well, we're not over. We got my Haart minutes.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
My heart's beating, so let me slow down.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Well, I mean, Dick asked about the Rams and Vikings
on Monday, and look, I'm just a fan of fan
bases that pay their due. So I love getting behind Buffalo,
I love getting behind Detroit, I love getting behind Minnesota.
I'd love for at least one of those three teams
to make the Super Bowl, like a Buffalo Lion game
would be be unbelievable, but Detroit.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Right, Let's talk about Dan Campbell.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
How much does he need to kind of dial back
the crazy aggressiveness in the playoffs versus what he did
in the regular season because some people think it cost
him the Niner game a year ago.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
Yeah, I think I think he has to dial it back.
I don't believe he will, I really don't believe. I
think he is who he is and their team is
really good. Having said that, defensively, they're injured, they're they're hurt,
hurting a little bit on defense. So but their offense

(48:40):
has been lights out and Goff has had a great year.
So but he dave, I don't He is who he
is and I think he's going to coach the game
that way.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Did you change the way you coached in the playoffs?

Speaker 5 (48:51):
Ever? I don't think I did. I don't think I did,
you know, but you know I was much more conservative,
you know, than a lot of people. But no, I
don't see him changing much. And you know what, to
your point, the Lions we played there, they were in
the same division as us for a long time. They
got great ownership. Really, I know those people a little bit.

(49:15):
I'd be really happy for them. What's it been since
nineteen fifty seven? Right?

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:21):
How important is it to come in hot?

Speaker 4 (49:23):
Because we've seen in past playoffs, like all of this
team they're on a five game winning streak coming in
the playoffs and they get waxed by twenty points in
the first game. Like, is it is it important that
you come in hot or if you just have a
really good team that maybe was scuffling a little bit
at the end of the season. You can kind of
fix it for the playoffs because you refocus.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Yeah, I think it's I think momentum is important. You
come in hot to your point. I think that's good.
You know now, you but then you also have to
you know, the things that normally win or lose games
for you during the season. The playoffs are no different.
Right penalties, turnovers, the stuff you just automatically. We just
think about when that happens in the playoffs. If you're

(50:04):
on the plus side of that, you probably win the game.
If you're not, you don't win it.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Would you be fearful if you're Dan Campbell of seeing
the Vikings again.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
A little, Yes, a little, because you know you except
you know what, Having said that, except when he first
came into the league and he said We're gonna bite
their knuckles and the kick them in, you know, I'm going, well,
this guy looks like you could do that. I mean,
you know what, But but he is really His players

(50:36):
love him and you can tell and so. But having
said that, Minnesota would not play they play a better
football game against them if they played them again.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
I don't where your heart's at for a Super Bowl champion,
But we won't tell Andy if you have a different
pick with your head.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
So, who's the best team in the NFL?

Speaker 5 (50:56):
I today's point. I think I think it's going to
be Buffalo and and Detroit in the in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Okay, wow?

Speaker 5 (51:05):
And I think, oh gosh, I think I think Detroit
has a chance to do it this year.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
That'd be great. That'd be great.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Well, tickets for the divisional game to get in the
door for the Lion game or seven hundred and sixty
five dollars right now. And imagine if they host the
NFC championship. How crazy that place is going to be.
I mean, I'm rooting for him. I think they deserve it,
and their fan base has waited long enough. Vikings and
Lions fans combined have waited one hundred and seven years

(51:36):
since the Super Bowl, and the lines have never been there.
The Vikings have never made it as long as the
Mariners have been a franchise, by the way, that's how
long it's been. So all right, enjoy your little five
second walk home. Yeah right, you're off next week taking
the kids to Disneyland.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yes, yes, enjoy it.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
And we'll see you in a couple of weeks, and
I come back in two weeks.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
I'll have my people talk to your book.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
Cathy like to join us.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
I about Kathy fills in for you next Thursday. Fine, okay, done,
make it happen, all right, my good stuff. Buddy Mike
Honger with us from the five twenty bar in Gurill.
We're gonna get a break. We got cracking hockey pregame
coming up with Columbus the Boys.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
We're gonna snap their losing strength.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
They got a five game road trip at the Jackets
starting tonight. Mike Benton's got pregame faced off with Everton
Company at four right here on ninety three three kJ RFM.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
See you bye,