October 17, 2025 • 41 mins
In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain talk to Hugh Millen about the Seattle Seahawks win over Jacksonville and facing Houston on Monday night, plus UW’s game against Michigan coming up tomorrow, plus we revisit Mike Florio’s interview this week.
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Speaker 4 (00:44):
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program as usual. Hue how are.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
You man, I'm doing great, guys. What's happening?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Not much lots to talk about with the Seahawks. Why
don't we just start there? And you know, going back
to the game with the Jaguars on Sunday, I wanted
to hit you on one thing about the sacks the
Seahawks had against Jacksonville, because that was a Jaguar offensive
line that had only surrendered six sacks the entire year,
and then Mike McDonald's defense got him for seven despite
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having a large majority of their secondary out in that
game on Sunday. So did they find something, you think
on Sunday where we can now expect these guys to
be a forced pass rush wise or was that just
about the matchup on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well, I thought that Jacksonville really struggled.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
I think their left tackle Walter Little, really struggled. And
yet I think that there was some elements of it.
To me watching the tape, It wasn't just the defensive
line and first level pressure. It was the idea that
when you watch Trevor Lawrence, particularly from the end zone copy,
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and you say, what is he looking at? What what
is he trying to u to get accomplished with the
route concept. I think Seattle was also a lot better
in coverage, so that often you had Lawrence who didn't
have his first option open, and so now he's going
to his second or third option. And and I've got
an entire page filled, every single line of the notes
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of those seven sacks. You say, Okay, what what can
we condense? I'd say, first of all, you look at
the the the time. The NFL tracks the time to
the sack, and these were the numbers. Six point two seconds,
then three point four seconds, three point one, four point three,
three point zero, three point four to three point one.
The average throw is two point six seconds, so all
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of you know, there wasn't a lot of fast sacks
under you know, there's nothing under three seconds. So again
you had to have the coverage and that was there.
It was vastly improved. And then I think that I
think that you had Leonard Williams had his worst game
in my opinion as a Seahawk against Tampa Bay. I
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thought there was a fire lid under him, so I
think the motivation was improved. I thought DeMarcus Lawrence, holy cow,
he looked like an outside linebacker and a young one
at that I thought he would looked really fast. And
then from a scheme standpoint, guys lots of stunts. Instead
of just having the defensive ends run up the field
against the offensive tackle, the defensive ends would they would
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loop on into the inside and try and beat the guard,
and then the defensive tackle or whoever was lined over
the guards, they would loop around in these stunts. You
had the interior stunts. And when you get they had
sacks on third downs of and it was third and eight,
third and nine, and third and eleven. When you get
to those long distance downs, then you can put fast,
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twitchy guys in at defensive tackle. You can have DeMarcus
Lawrence in over the go card. You can have Boy
Maffey in the gap between the center and the guard.
You know those are typically you know defensive ends third
and long. You can play him as defensive tackles. Now
you get you get four twitchy dudes in there on
the field and they can wreak havoc on the guards
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and in the stunts. As I described so, I think
it was a team effort, but those specifically team effort
in the sense of the coverage helped the pass rush.
It wasn't just a pass rush and the scheme Mike
McDonald helped the players. There's a time that that Byron
Murphy had a sack where he was doing a stunt.
As I described, he started over the guard. His first
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responsibility was to slam the left tackle to allow the
end to come inside of him. But then that in
the process of that he had inside leverage on the
offensive tackle. He was right there in the B gap
with nobody to help, and then he had a straight
path to Trevor Lawrence. And so Murphy gets a sack.
But you look and you say, that's a Mike McDonald.
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I mean, Murphy ought to give it, you know, at
least a tip of the cap as he walks to
the sideline to Mike McDonald how he helped create that sack.
So there's a lot of that stuff going on.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Well, de Marcus Lawrence just isn't aside here.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
He must have listened to our post game show off
in the Tampa Bay game, because the first thing you
said when you came on was because Lawrence didn't play
that game.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
You said, DeMarcus Lawrence must be.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
Freaking Lawrence Taylor because of how the bad the pass
rush was well.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
For one week.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
He looked more like freaking Lawrence Taylor. You mill enjoyed us.
Speaking of sacks, he let's go to the other side of
the football. Why does Sam Darnold have only seven sacks
in six games and Gino Smith had fifty sacks in
seventeen games when there's really only one change on the
offensive line.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Well, there's an awareness there in terms of where the
pressure is. And I had done I had mentioned her
prior to you guys, but I was asked to do
over the offseason a presentation on sacks to the thirty
thirteen tannembaumb And when you're pret zen in for Bill
Polly in a Hall of Fame GM and a lot
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of other former coaches and gms, you know you better
be air tight on your presentation. And one of the
things that I had noted in Tom Brady's last two
years as a Buccaneer quarterback, he was he had the
lowest sack rate in the NFL, and in each of
those two years, Justin Fields had the highest sack rate.
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Now you can say there's other components to it, but
just but if you if one of the components is
the athleticism of the quarterback. And I think the standard
NFL fan would say, well, Justin Field's gonna be a
lot better at avoiding sacks than a forty five year
old Tom Brady. And certainly there are sacks and pressures
that Tom Brady can't handle that Justin Fields can, because
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Justin Fields is a far better and younger athlete.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
But what you saw is that Brady had a sense,
and I'm gonna get to Sam mc donald donald here.
Brady had a sense where he could look at a
concept to one side by he knew where all five
eligible receivers were and if he had a checkdown on
his on the left alley, just outside the tackle. But
all of his focus was trying to get a completion
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to the right, let's say a three man concept from
the from the hash certainly or even the numbers over
to the sideline. So his field of vision is way
directed to his right. But then somebody flashes in his vision. Oh,
I've got pressure my right guard, you know, just got beat.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Now. He would just.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Immediately, without even looking, he would just go boom, I'm
gonna hit my checkdown right over here in the alley
on the left. I was looking to the right, but
I know I knew my alley check was there, and
he gets rid of it right before he takes the
hit and of course right before the sack.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And it's that awareness.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Well I had Sam Darnold, I literally in my notes
as I went Tom Brady awareness on that checkdown. He
had one to his left and then he found sharp
and it was exactly as I just described, immediate pressure
and he just boom. And it's a short throw. It's
not a difficult throat. You can almost throw it like
a dart uh at a bar in a dart throwing contest,
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So you.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Don't have to wind up. Just just started over there.
But you have to know where.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
He is and you have to almost have have you
have you have to say, hey, in the back of
my mind, if if I get the pressure, I know
what I'm doing, Boom, it's right there. And and we've
seen that from Darnold and his ability to uh to
scan through his progressions.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
It's been top shelf.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Let me let me play a clip here for you, Hugh,
because I want to get your thoughts on Kubiak and
the play action all that and uh. This is a
clip from Texans head coach to Miko Ryans, who the
Seahawks will obviously see on Monday night, and I think
the question is specifically about play action, but he goes
into what Koubiak does so well, that's hard to defend.
I want to play this for you and then have
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you respond to it. Jackson hit him.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Think by far the number one team in the league
play action pass. What do you think makes them so
good at that?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
And what goes into defending that?
Speaker 8 (08:59):
And see out or they're good at the play action
pass game because you know, Kobe Ak's done a good
job wherever he's been as a play call He's done
a really good job of establishing the outside zone scheme right.
And with the outside zone scheme comes the keepers off
of the outside zone action. So he's done a really
good job of marrying both run game and passing game,
meaning they both look very similar. So the play action
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pass game works because of the offensive line and how
they come off the football right, how they make the
run look exactly like the pass. It puts the second
level defenders in a buyd where are you stepping up
to defend the run or are you can you keey
it and diagnose it quick enough to understand that it's
passed and now need to drop in coverage. So they've
done a really good job, starting with Kenneth Walkers in
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the run game. He's a really really good running back.
And now Donald's done a good job of getting on
the edges, making good decisions down the field. And he's
got a lot of guys open in those play action
passing concepts. That's why they've been successful as well, a
lot of guys wide open.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
So I've got some reactions to that, but I'm not
the guest of honor you are, so you tell us
when you hear Tamiko Ryan say that, what's your reaction
to that?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Well?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I think that first of all, that's a coach that
is is making comments to the press leading up to
playing an opponent, right, so so he's going to have
the sense to, uh, you know, to be complimentary. I
think that what he said was a combination of specific
compliments to Kubiak and boiler plate comments that any coach
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would say about play action passes.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Does that make.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Sense of and and so I think specific to to Kubiak,
the outside zone scheme, what and and what what you mentioned?
And what what and what he mentioned? Is the first
thing he said off of that. He didn't say play
action drop back. He said the keepers. So if you're
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going knine to the left over Charles Cross and you're
going and he specifically mentioned the outside zone. The outside
zone gets the linebackers and the defense having to flow
harder to the point of attack. Okay, and then with
Donald as a right handed quarterback, then he would he
would have the opportunity to go against the flow. Now
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the irony there is that it's actually what you would
think would be a right handed quarterback. There have been
more naked to the left with Donald than they have
been to the right. I have the exact numbers, but
I just I just know it, even just anecdotal just
watching it. But that keepers the idea that the keepers,
uh the keeper play action where the quarterback is going
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to be outside the pocket. That that marries with the
outside zone again because the defense has to flow harder
and faster to the point of attack because it's a
wider point of attack. Now the quarterback is going in
the opposite direction. So you have that part of it
for where it's worth K nine, he's got twenty nine
carries on outside zone and a five point eight average.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
You've got Zach Sharbonnay.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
He's got fourteen carries in a one point five average.
So you heard damikus Ryans. He didn't mention anything about
Zach Scharbonay. And that's something that we've been talking about
almost weekly, is the Canine Sharboney deal. I'm gonna I'm
gonna continue to say that that I'm a little bit
surprised and a little bit put off by the ratio.
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I think Canine's your guy. The numbers I just cited
suggest that Canine's your guy. The opposing coach isn't talking
about Zach Sarbonay, but perhaps that's a little different question.
But and then here's another thing. Let me go one
other play action because we could talk play action and
what Sam Darnold does for an hour last year. That
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the Detroit Lions, by the way, I'm gonna just give
you a general action if you want to understand pro football.
In the last couple of years, the Detroit Lions are
number one in frequency of play under center. Nobody's close, okay,
Jared goff In in multiple ways that I filtered it.
Sam Donald a year ago as the Viking quarterback was
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second in frequency, but number one in passer rating including
over the middle of the field at one hundred and
forty three passer rating under center play action and in
over the middle of the field. So that is very
difficult stuff where you have to turn the back on
the defense. But against Jacksonville, for example, do you remember
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now you remember you remember Cooper cup caught two passes.
You remember the touchdown in the corner of the end zone,
But then there was one over the middle where Donald
he goes play action, five step, no hits. That means
you are putting a great burden on him to process.
He's gonna turn his back, He's We're not gonna go
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have you go, Sam, We're not gonna have you go
seven steps and then take a hitch where you can relocate,
process what you see and then throw the ball. We're
gonna go five steps, no hits, and then we're gonna
against a three D four inner zone and four that
that's a lot like a baseball outfield and infield. I
know baseball is on our mind tonight. Hopefully Mariners can
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finish him off tonight. But but between the the third
baseman and the shortstop is a little hole there that
that that cup was trying to get Uh to even
though he was kind of lying near second base, he
was running an intermediate crossing route over the top to
get into that gap between the the third basement and
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the short stop. It was a little tiny window and
Sam Donald had to be anticipatory with that throw, and
so after having turned his back on the defense. That's
difficult stuff. And uh and and Donald does it really well.
So so I think that there's a lot going on.
But but uh, Demico Ryans is right. They're really good
at it, and it does play off on some of
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the plays, not all, some of the plays do play
off of that wide zone.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Jays sends on pace to break the all time wide
receiving record for yards. Thus far, it's only been six games,
but he has been getting open. Has he been getting
open more so because of the scheme that you're talking about,
or is he doing a better job than in years
past of just getting open on his own?
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Well, I think that he's got a coach and a
quarterback that really really feature him, and they are putting
him as the primary in most every play, and so
I mean they're really trying to feed him in right
down to even on a wide receiver screen. I thought
they would have been better served to have thrown the
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ball to Tory Horton on that particular wide receiver screen,
just because Tory Horton's the punt returner. He's got that
twitch and that vision with the ball in his hands,
and you want to have the defense be aware that
other people other than number eleven can catch the ball.
But I just think Jackson Smith and Jigba he's got
he's so much like a Mecca Boka. It's crazy to me,
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but they're both about six to one. They're low cut guys.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Big boo. It's not a Mecca book. It's big boo,
per big boom.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
OKAYI a big bo look on bit whatever.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
But but but there's there's there's a uh, there's some
similarities in there in that they're both exactly of course
they went to Ohio State that but that point notwithstanding,
both are out six to one, so neither really tall
nor nor short, just kind of a mid size receiver
a little over two hundred pounds strengthen the legs low
cut uh uh short legs relative to their their torso,
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and that prevents them from having elite top end speed.
I mean even the post route that that you had
from jas N and in that for that touchdown, I mean,
there wasn't a lot of separation. That was Sam Darnold
just walking the football to a receiver. But it wasn't
like he was running away. You didn't see signs of
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a sub four three guy. You saw signs of a
high four four guy, which is fast enough when you
have that beautiful change of direction, which again I believe
is absolutely tied to his body style.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
He is so quick in it.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
They ran a shake route for the first time, which
is a post corner, and he was so damn fast
out of that.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Jaysn.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
They ran it twice. They got a what was it,
a twenty yarder and an eighteen yarder. One of them
was the one we spin the ball, spin the ball
and he got the personal foul. But that's a new route.
We haven't seen the shape like that from them. And
the body control is just elite, and the ball tracking
is elite, The hands are elite, the IQ is elite.
The only thing that's not elite on Jaysn is size
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and long speed and everything else is elite.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Hey, Hugh, we got about three minutes left in this segment.
We'll come back and talk some dogs next segment. But
there's a report out that the Seahawks are shopping Tarik Woolan.
One rumor has him connected to Devon ah Chine running
back from Miami. And I guess my question to you
in just the next couple of minus Terreek Wall and
the guy that you can see John Snider re signing
over the offseason, and if not, if you can move him,
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would you consider moving them?
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Well, I think their depth is pretty thin, so I'd
be concerned about what they have in behind him. Now,
you saw Shaquille Griffin play. I think he kind of
got lucky, did not get picked on more. I think
that that as teams put him on tape, they will
try and find ways to get him. So I don't
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want to have too much confidence in what you know, Pritchart.
We saw him break down against Tampa Bay, so I'm
a little concerned. The reason why I think that you're
you're hearing these rumors is while Reek Wolan has an
immense high side, I think the inco two things. Obviously
we know he's very inconsistent, but I think there's also
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a lack of toughness and competitiveness that just doesn't fit
their style. I think you look at Riek Wollan, he
was a going back to high school I did. I
worked on bioed him. He was an elite basketball player.
He was described as this great slasher and dunker, and
you know at his height and his jumping ability, he's
thin like a basketball player. Then he then then he
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he didn't grow as much as he wants. So then
he becomes a wide receiver. Three years at Texas San
Antoni as a wide receiver, and then you know, late
in his college career he goes to dB, Well, you
gotta be tougher to play corner than you do to
be wide receiver. That's that that that's in my mind.
That's just a fact that it's opinion, but I viewed
as a fact. And and so I I just see
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signs of of Reek Woolan, who just doesn't want to
mix it up. You know, I just don't know. I
don't think God put him on the planet. Is I
think his body he can be an NFL corner. I
don't think his mentality is that of an NFL corner.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
No.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
We saw that in the Niner game for sure. I
remember talking about his desire in that Niner game, and
that's exactly what you're talking about. Hey, here, do me
a favorite. Hold tight, we'll come back.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
We do.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Got to get your thought. The Texans coming here Monday.
And then roughly forty one years ago, you walked into
the Big House and gotta win against the Wolverines, right
eighty four September fifteenth, did But yes, it was a
good day for all. Well, you were the quarterbacks, so
give yourself some damn credit. What does Daman Williams have
to do to mirror Hugh Millen's performance that day forty
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one years ago? Next on ninety three three KJRFF.
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We'll see what happens tonight across the street. But here
Millan Reinge joins us and day here before we transfer
over to you, do any thoughts on the Tamiico Ryan CJ.
Stroud led Texans that we'll see on Monday night coming
to town.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
I just think that their defense can play. They have
a very high ceiling. I think they play with an aggression.
They seem to run a little hotter and colder than
most teams. You could say that for anybody on either
side of the ball, right. But I think that when
when they're good, they're really good, and then when they
are not tied together and they're not playing with the emotion,
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then they can be very average. So I think that
there's more of a disparity than the average defense. But
they're extremely talented and they when they get into a
ball howking mode.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
I just go back to that playoff game where Justin
Herbert had gone the entire season last year three interceptions
for the entire year, and they Detexans were able to
pick them off four times, never been done in history.
A guy in one game throws more picks in a
playoff game than he had in the entire regular season.
And so so when that happens, you're seeing defenders that
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are really looking to be almost borderline on sound. They're
gonna jump balls. And he say, wait a minute, what
would have happened if they would have done a stutter
go on you on that play? Yeah, you got the interception,
but hang on that. That doesn't look really sound to me.
And then they just they kind of put their palms
up and they say, well, I'm glad they didn't run
a stutter go. So, but that's got to be something
that that Sam Darnold of course, and Clint Kubiak are
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aware of, is just how much are they jumping things?
And can you make them pay for playing unsound defense?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yes, it's fine. I just looked at CJ.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Stroud and didn't realize he was only twenty four years
of age, even though he's in his third season. Great
first year numbers considerably dipped last year, but now it's
back up to seventy one percent completion, eight touchdowns, three interceptions,
one O two.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Passer rating how much you liked CJ.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Stroud and what.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Happened to him last year.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Well, I think the refrain when I watched them, everything
that was said about their offensive line was a factor.
I think that he was bothered more by poor protection.
He had injuries at the wide receiver position. I think
I like him as a player because, particularly his rookie year,
he had the pension to go down the field. Like
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to me, he's like a legitimate sophisticated NFL quarterback. And
what I mean by that, I do not think that
Jalen Hurts is a sophisticated NFL quarterback. I think I
think he runs a high school offense. I think that
when if he doesn't see his first read, he just
he just runs and and so you know, he reminds
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me of a gussied up high school quarterback. That's Jalen Hurts.
When when I watch uh CJ. Stroud, you know, when
he's at his best, I mean that that guy is processing.
He's looking to go hunting, big game, hunting down the field.
He uses his legs only when needed. He's athletic enough.
You know, he's not an elite athlete, but he can
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make every throw in the in the passing tree. So
I am much more drawn as a fan to CJ.
Stroud's style of quarterbacking when he's on than I am
to Jalen Hurts and some of the rest. So I
think that, Yeah, I like the kid, and I think
he's been getting better protection now and he's in year
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three and he's bouncing back.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Here. We got about five minutes here Michigan forty one
years ago. We're looking to do the same, looking for
DeMont Williams to walk into the Big House and get
a win. And John Wilder was on with us, and
he thinks the Huskies are gonna win this game. It's
a Michigan defense that is not like they were a
couple of years ago. They're number three in the Big
ten and rushing, but they're thirteenth and passing at eleventh
overall in total d and just gave up one hundred
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and sixty yards to walk on for USC and a
guy named King Miller last week. And I'm just drooling
to see what DeMont Williams can do against this Michigan defense.
So talk to us about what your advice would be
for Demant, because you've been there, you know what it takes.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Yeah, And I think things were a little different because
in eighty four the Wolverines were ranked second and they
had just beat the national champion, the form Miami Hurricans.
And so I'm watching the tape and the Michigan defense
picked off Bernie Cozar six times.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
So I I you know, every with every interception.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
When I watched, I said, well, don't do that, don't
do that, right, So I think that Washington and their preparation,
they're gonna see a beatable team. I don't I don't
think they're playing with great emotion. I think that they
haven't really found themselves after Harbaugh left, and and we've
seen what Demon Williams can do with against anything other
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than very elite defenses. I mean, he can shred like
nobody against if you're not an A level defense, he
can really clown you, right, And so I think there's
a great chance you go in there.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
It's a particularly difficult stadium to play because of the construction.
It's more in kind of a bowl, and the and
the noise goes up as opposed to steep crowd where
the noise comes down on you. So now they're densely packed.
It's it's the most densely packed stadium. When you look
at it, you go, oh my god, one grenade would
kill like forty thousand people. So it's there's a unique
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there's a unique h Hey, listen, when you're going to play,
you gotta sometimes you got to get into these war metaphors.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
But that's what it's how many people would die in
a stadium if a grenade went off. But Michigan's on
the top of the list hotly.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
One grenade would kill more Michigan fans than any other Yes.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So in an event, that's just an observation.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I don't know it was.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I think that it's a very able game for Washington
and Demon Williams. You know, you go back and you say, okay,
what were the mistakes that you made against Ohio State.
I thought that there was a really good game plan
to take the nakeds away, a five down defensive alignment
that where the ends on the opposite side of the
running backs were really coming up the field to stop
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the booty. They double covered Danzel Boston down in the
red zone. In ways it really seemed to stemy the
Husky offense in that regard, So I think that they
probably say, hey, if we learn our lessons from how
those Ohio State athletes defended us, if we can if
we can be sharp there, Well, the Michigan isn't going
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to be as sharp as good as Ohio State, presumably
on defense. So I think there's a sensational chance to
go in and get another.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
W got to ask you about Kurt Signetti.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Are you surprised he's staying at Indiana or would you
thought that he might jump to Happy Valley.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I think it's great for college football. I'm a little
but twelve million is a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I think.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
You know, sometimes guys they feel like, hey, I've got
everything that I want here, don James. I mean, I
talked to Carol uh you know, right after Caitlyn went
to Alabama. I, you know, I just want to reacquaint
myself with the circumstance.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Called Carol up and said.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Hey, you know, I know coach James was rumored to
have been, you know, contacted by teams, and she she
walked me through.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
For example, Ohio State.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Uh DJ had a meeting with Ohio State only because
the athletic director says, hey, come on, you know, just
meet me. I need to at least tell my boosters
that I met with you. He says, okay, but I'm
not going to sign. So he goes back. They meet
in a clandestine spot. Carrol said somewhere in Ohio. Wasn't
in Columbus. And then he flew back and he said, hey,
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I've got everything I want at Washington. Well, when you
have those type of values, guess what you get a
statue in front of a stadium for you. And Siggs
may have had something like that. I'm not in his head.
I don't know if he's comment in on it, but
he may have had. We can make some inferences about
his decision. He may have said, hey, look I got
everything I need here, you know, and I can build
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a winner here. So so I obviously, like everybody, I
can't imagine that anybody would say that's not good for
college football. What he's done there, and the fact that
he's willing to stay there.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Yeah, good for him. All right, man, listen, great stuff
and enjoy the weekend, enjoy the game tomorrow the Hawks Monday,
and we will talk soon.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Man preciate thanks you rock and roll hammer down guys.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
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how are you pal?
Speaker 10 (30:20):
Well? Well, well we meet again.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Hey, listen, I apologize for last week. The game went long.
I thought we could fit you in. We didn't. It's
my fault, and I apologize profusely for making you hang
last last week. Michael. It'll never happen again. How's that?
Speaker 10 (30:41):
You know?
Speaker 11 (30:42):
There's certain frustrations in this job, sometimes you have player
only meetings and other players there either later they don't
show up at all.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Well, and we appreciate you. You're a professional, yes, he is.
Those guys are punks, he is, you're a profession Well
let's uh, let's talk about a guy that called out
of his teammates the other day and then apologize for
it to a Tango Byloa after the loss over the weekend,
says guys are late, they're not coming to meetings, they
don't give a damn. And then today's says, oh, I'm sorry. Well,
maybe that's exactly what Miami needed was to a doing
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that last week. So tell me about the relationship between
Tua and Mike McDaniel and whose seat is hotter in Miami,
Tua or the coach.
Speaker 11 (31:23):
When I first heard the comments, I thought that possibly
Tua has tried to communicate directly with players and that
didn't work, so he opted to take it public.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
Aaron Rodgers, I believe.
Speaker 11 (31:34):
Has done that in the past when young receivers weren't
doing what he thought young receivers needed to do.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
But then McDaniel followed.
Speaker 11 (31:41):
To and clumsily tried to explain it away. As direct communication. Well,
it's not direct communication. It's in direct communication through the media,
and it creates a problem. By the next day McDaniel
had seen and heard what Tuas said and he acknowledged
he shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 10 (31:58):
That wasn't the time for it.
Speaker 11 (31:59):
But today when Sua said what we fully expected him
to say that he shouldn't have done it, and he
apologized for it. The question that has been obscured by
all of this, who was he talking about? We don't
know who he was talking about.
Speaker 10 (32:13):
And one of the reporters.
Speaker 11 (32:15):
Very adroitly asked the question, who are the leaders on
the offensive side of the.
Speaker 10 (32:18):
Ball, and he started rattling off names.
Speaker 11 (32:20):
So it's not those guys. So if you guys got
exempted indirectly from being responsible for not doing what they
need to do. But other than the guys he named,
any of them, some of them, maybe all of them,
are the ones who aren't leading and clearly aren't following.
Speaker 10 (32:36):
So there's still an issue there. And as to the
hot speat question, I.
Speaker 11 (32:38):
Think Mike McDaniel was on a very hot.
Speaker 10 (32:41):
Seat right now.
Speaker 11 (32:42):
I'd say he's the most likely to be the next
to be fired. Two his contract is fully guaranteed through
next year. They really screwed this up. In twenty twenty four,
they ripped up this fifth year option of twenty three
million and change, and they gave him a three year
contract that pays out more than one hundred and fifty million,
fully guaranteed.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
They had no reason to do that.
Speaker 11 (33:01):
Let him play out the option, and if he plays
Light's out, franchise tag and if he plays Lights out,
tag him again, and all that combined is like one
hundred and ten millions, not one hundred and fifty and
they still would have had him for three years, and
they would have the ability to cut the cord whenever
they wanted to. They blew this, and I think it's
time for Steven Ross to hit the reset button and
clear out everyone GM head coach and the new head coach.
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You know, he doesn't have to play to it. He
has to pay him. But I think by next year,
week one, we're going to see, or at least we
should see new DM, new coach, new quarterback across the
board in Miami and they'll start over once again.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
So Mike Tomlin's very confused as to what Cleveland was
doing trading their starting quarterback to a division arrival. Does
he have a point or is he just kind of
trying to fire up his team by pumping up Joe
Flacco's tires before they face the Bengals tomorrow.
Speaker 11 (33:50):
Well, I think he's rather faced Jake Browning than Joe Flacco.
You know, regular season all time Joe Flacco and Mike
Tomlin are I believe eleven and eleven and that last
year beat the Steelers as the backup for the Colts.
And Tomlin admitted a few weeks ago that he told
his players Keith Anthony Richardson upright because they didn't want
to see Joe Flacco. And it was in the context
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of the Vikings starting Carson Wentz over JJ McCarthy. Tomlin
would rather face an inexperienced quarterback. And look at what
he's done against young quarterbacks. His record against young quarterback
is incredible. So I think this is as simple as
he'd rather see Jake Browning and he doesn't agree with
the way the Browns do business. And look, the Browns
made the decision as a matter of basic analytics. They
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were able to upgrade a draft pick, they move on
from a player that they didn't want any longer.
Speaker 10 (34:37):
Who cares if it goes to a division rival. That's
the way they look at it. Well, I know who cares.
Speaker 11 (34:42):
Mike Tomlin cares because now he's got a face, a
better quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
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And Mike, I may be dreaming. I may be imagining this,
but I thought you came out with your rankings the
other day and I thought I saw the Hawks in
the top ten in your power rankings. I believe you
had them at number eight, and good for you, because
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they're a fumble away from maybe being a five and
one football team. Right now, it feels like the league
is starting to take notice of the Hawks and Sam
Darnold man.
Speaker 11 (35:18):
And look, the NFC is very jumbled with a lot
of good teams.
Speaker 10 (35:23):
The AFC is jumbled with a lot of teams that
we don't know what they are. And we want this
as fans.
Speaker 11 (35:29):
We want parody, we want unpredictability, We want as many
teams to be alive as long as possible.
Speaker 10 (35:35):
To the season.
Speaker 11 (35:36):
But as somebody who from time to time is expected
to know what the hell's going on, I don't like
this confusion. I mean, there's been like a run of
seven of eight primetime games.
Speaker 10 (35:44):
Where it's been an upset.
Speaker 11 (35:45):
So there's reason to watch tomorrow night because hell, maybe
the Bengals will beat the Steelers. Teams are more closely packed.
There is no truly great team. The Bucks at five
and one are number one in the power rankings, and
they are flawed. The Colts at number two, arguably should
be number one because they're the only team that has
dominated lesser opponents. You've got other teams who are just
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barely skating by with teams that they should pummel. So
it's packed together tight, and it's going to result in injuries,
bad calls which are good calls for the other team,
and just weird bounces to the ball that will determine
who gets into the playoffs and ultimately who advances the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Well you're Tony, right, I mean I counted fifteen teams yesterday.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
I just looked at him. I tilt my head a
certain way. I could envision them making the Super Bowl.
But speaking of the Super Bowl Mike. Every coach quarterback
combo that has won at least one Super Bowl together
won their first Super Bowl within the first five years
of being together. This is year eight for McDermott and
Josh Allen. Is Sean McDermott like just Doug Collins or
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Mark Jackson like good coaches that can get MJ and
Steph Curry a couple of rounds deep, but they need
a Phil Jackson or Steve Kerr to get a title.
Speaker 11 (36:57):
Well, there's a question in Buffalo that we'll fray a
lot of nerves within the building when it's raised. Is
this a team that is sufficiently talented but not effectively coached,
or is this a team that is being coached very
well but just isn't very talented. You know, I was
surprised the Bills weren't at the front of the line
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to try to.
Speaker 10 (37:18):
Get Michael Parsons. I was very surprised.
Speaker 11 (37:20):
If you're trying to get over the hump, you got
to make some bold moves, and they've resisted. In twenty
twenty one, Von Miller was available, OBJ was available. The
Rams got them both, and arguably they provided the difference
to winning a Super Bowl.
Speaker 10 (37:31):
The Bills weren't interested.
Speaker 11 (37:32):
At the time in either one. So you got to
be ready to make that move to get over the hump.
Speaker 10 (37:38):
And whether it's talent, whether it's coaching, you.
Speaker 11 (37:40):
Wonder how many more years into Josh Allen's career, ownership
will tolerate being just good enough. And there are teams
out there and I'll say we wanted in the super
Bowl every single year because they have to say that
for some honors.
Speaker 10 (37:54):
I think it's just good enough to be just good enough.
Speaker 11 (37:58):
Because the money's the same whether you win the Super
Bowl or not.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah. Well, Mike Flora's with us and Mike going back
to last Thursday's game with the Giants and Eagles, and
you know, the Jackson Dart thing looked good for him.
He looks fine. But what I was kind of taken
aback by is the reaction that people had to Russell
Wilson entering the game last Thursday, and not just the fans,
but Dabell could not wait to get his ass off
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the field, goes into the medical tent to try to
get Jackson Darts. That was no good. Kirk kirk Street
on TV is even kind of like, man, they got
to get him out of there. I mean, it's amazing, Mike,
What's happened to Russell Wilson. It's like he walked into
the wrong bathroom and people were just killing him on
Thursday night in New York. How far has Russell Wilson
fallen since he left Seattle, Oh?
Speaker 11 (38:43):
In that urgency by day Ball that may result in
a massive fine, possibly the loss of the draft pick
because day Ball entered the mouth of the medical tent
camp scattab who actually went inside. Both are violations, both
are under investigation, and it was because, as day Ball
said after the game, we had a fourth down coming
up and if he was coming back in the game,
I was going to go for it, which means there's
no way in hell I'm going for it if the.
Speaker 10 (39:05):
Other guy is out there.
Speaker 11 (39:06):
But they saw just enough of Russell Wilson for the
first three weeks of the season to know that he just.
Speaker 10 (39:12):
Doesn't have it anymore.
Speaker 11 (39:13):
And how emasculating and humiliating for a very proud guy
like Russell Wilson. I'm surprised he hasn't demanded to be traded.
I mean, if I'm the Bengals, I make to play
for him, not Joe Flacco. But this is where we
are and we'll see what the punishment.
Speaker 10 (39:29):
Is for the Giants.
Speaker 11 (39:29):
They got to get Jackson Dark to play a little
more within himself, though he did that launch on the
sideline at one point.
Speaker 10 (39:35):
Last Thursday night. You got to stay healthy.
Speaker 11 (39:37):
Your most important attribute as a potential franchise quarterback is availability.
Speaker 10 (39:41):
You can't be putting.
Speaker 11 (39:42):
Yourself at risk for a random yard here or there.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
How about the sideline incident that happened last week. Your
take on the Jonathan gannon physical contact on Imri de
Mercado and then the fine that he got subsequently, was
it warranted?
Speaker 10 (40:00):
Is absolutely warrant. There's a line you can't cross.
Speaker 11 (40:02):
And I know it's a physical sport, but the coaches
aren't exerting physicality. They're on the sideline and the way
he approached him, it was obvious from the angle that
was available, even though it was behind de Marcado and
a teammate who was consoling him. You could see contacts
being made and then there's a big kind of slap
on the arm again and walked away. It's just uncalled
for and kudos to the Cardinals were doing what they did.
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I think the league would have done something. The Union
would have insisted on it. If the Cardinals hadn't imposed that, fine,
it's just the line you cannot cross. And you know,
it was fifty years ago this football season that I
was a ten year old playing fifth grade football at
a grade school, Catholic grade school.
Speaker 10 (40:42):
In the town where I grew up.
Speaker 11 (40:43):
And back then, man, if you were standing around, you
got the coaches foot.
Speaker 10 (40:46):
Up your ass right, and you got dragged around by
your face mask.
Speaker 11 (40:49):
And I mean I still remember stuff like that, and
in some ways it fuels me, and in some ways
it haunts me.
Speaker 10 (40:54):
But you just can't do that anymore.
Speaker 11 (40:56):
To any athlete, whatever the sport is, you can't lay
hands on people.
Speaker 10 (41:00):
And and Gannon probably knew.
Speaker 11 (41:02):
That De Marcado would take it, because if you mess
with the wrong guy, you're gonna get Latrell's freewell.
Speaker 10 (41:09):
And you just wonder going forward how that.
Speaker 11 (41:12):
Settles in in the locker room and how the players
view again and after he essentially bullied De Marcado, I.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Really hope our friend PJ. Carlismo is not listening right now.
By the way, Hey Mike, you're the man, great stuff,
and we're talking a week see you, buddy.
Speaker 10 (41:25):
Unless you don't call.
Speaker 11 (41:26):
I mean, we'll talk in a week after it, we're
gonna think we need to do that.
Speaker 10 (41:30):
From now on, we're.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
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Speaker 3 (01:04):
You man, I'm doing great, guys. What's happening?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Not much lots to talk about with the Seahawks. Why
don't we just start there? And you know, going back
to the game with the Jaguars on Sunday, I wanted
to hit you on one thing about the sacks the
Seahawks had against Jacksonville, because that was a Jaguar offensive
line that had only surrendered six sacks the entire year,
and then Mike McDonald's defense got him for seven despite
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having a large majority of their secondary out in that
game on Sunday. So did they find something, you think
on Sunday where we can now expect these guys to
be a forced pass rush wise or was that just
about the matchup on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well, I thought that Jacksonville really struggled.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
I think their left tackle Walter Little, really struggled. And
yet I think that there was some elements of it.
To me watching the tape, It wasn't just the defensive
line and first level pressure. It was the idea that
when you watch Trevor Lawrence, particularly from the end zone copy,
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and you say, what is he looking at? What what
is he trying to u to get accomplished with the
route concept. I think Seattle was also a lot better
in coverage, so that often you had Lawrence who didn't
have his first option open, and so now he's going
to his second or third option. And and I've got
an entire page filled, every single line of the notes
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of those seven sacks. You say, Okay, what what can
we condense? I'd say, first of all, you look at
the the the time. The NFL tracks the time to
the sack, and these were the numbers. Six point two seconds,
then three point four seconds, three point one, four point three,
three point zero, three point four to three point one.
The average throw is two point six seconds, so all
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of you know, there wasn't a lot of fast sacks
under you know, there's nothing under three seconds. So again
you had to have the coverage and that was there.
It was vastly improved. And then I think that I
think that you had Leonard Williams had his worst game
in my opinion as a Seahawk against Tampa Bay. I
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thought there was a fire lid under him, so I
think the motivation was improved. I thought DeMarcus Lawrence, holy cow,
he looked like an outside linebacker and a young one
at that I thought he would looked really fast. And
then from a scheme standpoint, guys lots of stunts. Instead
of just having the defensive ends run up the field
against the offensive tackle, the defensive ends would they would
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loop on into the inside and try and beat the guard,
and then the defensive tackle or whoever was lined over
the guards, they would loop around in these stunts. You
had the interior stunts. And when you get they had
sacks on third downs of and it was third and eight,
third and nine, and third and eleven. When you get
to those long distance downs, then you can put fast,
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twitchy guys in at defensive tackle. You can have DeMarcus
Lawrence in over the go card. You can have Boy
Maffey in the gap between the center and the guard.
You know those are typically you know defensive ends third
and long. You can play him as defensive tackles. Now
you get you get four twitchy dudes in there on
the field and they can wreak havoc on the guards
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and in the stunts. As I described so, I think
it was a team effort, but those specifically team effort
in the sense of the coverage helped the pass rush.
It wasn't just a pass rush and the scheme Mike
McDonald helped the players. There's a time that that Byron
Murphy had a sack where he was doing a stunt.
As I described, he started over the guard. His first
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responsibility was to slam the left tackle to allow the
end to come inside of him. But then that in
the process of that he had inside leverage on the
offensive tackle. He was right there in the B gap
with nobody to help, and then he had a straight
path to Trevor Lawrence. And so Murphy gets a sack.
But you look and you say, that's a Mike McDonald.
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I mean, Murphy ought to give it, you know, at
least a tip of the cap as he walks to
the sideline to Mike McDonald how he helped create that sack.
So there's a lot of that stuff going on.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Well, de Marcus Lawrence just isn't aside here.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
He must have listened to our post game show off
in the Tampa Bay game, because the first thing you
said when you came on was because Lawrence didn't play
that game.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
You said, DeMarcus Lawrence must be.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
Freaking Lawrence Taylor because of how the bad the pass
rush was well.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
For one week.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
He looked more like freaking Lawrence Taylor. You mill enjoyed us.
Speaking of sacks, he let's go to the other side of
the football. Why does Sam Darnold have only seven sacks
in six games and Gino Smith had fifty sacks in
seventeen games when there's really only one change on the
offensive line.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Well, there's an awareness there in terms of where the
pressure is. And I had done I had mentioned her
prior to you guys, but I was asked to do
over the offseason a presentation on sacks to the thirty
thirteen tannembaumb And when you're pret zen in for Bill
Polly in a Hall of Fame GM and a lot
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of other former coaches and gms, you know you better
be air tight on your presentation. And one of the
things that I had noted in Tom Brady's last two
years as a Buccaneer quarterback, he was he had the
lowest sack rate in the NFL, and in each of
those two years, Justin Fields had the highest sack rate.
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Now you can say there's other components to it, but
just but if you if one of the components is
the athleticism of the quarterback. And I think the standard
NFL fan would say, well, Justin Field's gonna be a
lot better at avoiding sacks than a forty five year
old Tom Brady. And certainly there are sacks and pressures
that Tom Brady can't handle that Justin Fields can, because
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Justin Fields is a far better and younger athlete.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
But what you saw is that Brady had a sense,
and I'm gonna get to Sam mc donald donald here.
Brady had a sense where he could look at a
concept to one side by he knew where all five
eligible receivers were and if he had a checkdown on
his on the left alley, just outside the tackle. But
all of his focus was trying to get a completion
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to the right, let's say a three man concept from
the from the hash certainly or even the numbers over
to the sideline. So his field of vision is way
directed to his right. But then somebody flashes in his vision. Oh,
I've got pressure my right guard, you know, just got beat.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Now. He would just.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Immediately, without even looking, he would just go boom, I'm
gonna hit my checkdown right over here in the alley
on the left. I was looking to the right, but
I know I knew my alley check was there, and
he gets rid of it right before he takes the
hit and of course right before the sack.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And it's that awareness.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Well I had Sam Darnold, I literally in my notes
as I went Tom Brady awareness on that checkdown. He
had one to his left and then he found sharp
and it was exactly as I just described, immediate pressure
and he just boom. And it's a short throw. It's
not a difficult throat. You can almost throw it like
a dart uh at a bar in a dart throwing contest,
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So you.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Don't have to wind up. Just just started over there.
But you have to know where.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
He is and you have to almost have have you
have you have to say, hey, in the back of
my mind, if if I get the pressure, I know
what I'm doing, Boom, it's right there. And and we've
seen that from Darnold and his ability to uh to
scan through his progressions.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
It's been top shelf.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Let me let me play a clip here for you, Hugh,
because I want to get your thoughts on Kubiak and
the play action all that and uh. This is a
clip from Texans head coach to Miko Ryans, who the
Seahawks will obviously see on Monday night, and I think
the question is specifically about play action, but he goes
into what Koubiak does so well, that's hard to defend.
I want to play this for you and then have
(08:50):
you respond to it. Jackson hit him.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Think by far the number one team in the league
play action pass. What do you think makes them so
good at that?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
And what goes into defending that?
Speaker 8 (08:59):
And see out or they're good at the play action
pass game because you know, Kobe Ak's done a good
job wherever he's been as a play call He's done
a really good job of establishing the outside zone scheme right.
And with the outside zone scheme comes the keepers off
of the outside zone action. So he's done a really
good job of marrying both run game and passing game,
meaning they both look very similar. So the play action
(09:22):
pass game works because of the offensive line and how
they come off the football right, how they make the
run look exactly like the pass. It puts the second
level defenders in a buyd where are you stepping up
to defend the run or are you can you keey
it and diagnose it quick enough to understand that it's
passed and now need to drop in coverage. So they've
done a really good job, starting with Kenneth Walkers in
(09:45):
the run game. He's a really really good running back.
And now Donald's done a good job of getting on
the edges, making good decisions down the field. And he's
got a lot of guys open in those play action
passing concepts. That's why they've been successful as well, a
lot of guys wide open.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
So I've got some reactions to that, but I'm not
the guest of honor you are, so you tell us
when you hear Tamiko Ryan say that, what's your reaction
to that?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Well?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I think that first of all, that's a coach that
is is making comments to the press leading up to
playing an opponent, right, so so he's going to have
the sense to, uh, you know, to be complimentary. I
think that what he said was a combination of specific
compliments to Kubiak and boiler plate comments that any coach
(10:35):
would say about play action passes.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Does that make.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Sense of and and so I think specific to to Kubiak,
the outside zone scheme, what and and what what you mentioned?
And what what and what he mentioned? Is the first
thing he said off of that. He didn't say play
action drop back. He said the keepers. So if you're
(11:00):
going knine to the left over Charles Cross and you're
going and he specifically mentioned the outside zone. The outside
zone gets the linebackers and the defense having to flow
harder to the point of attack. Okay, and then with
Donald as a right handed quarterback, then he would he
would have the opportunity to go against the flow. Now
(11:23):
the irony there is that it's actually what you would
think would be a right handed quarterback. There have been
more naked to the left with Donald than they have
been to the right. I have the exact numbers, but
I just I just know it, even just anecdotal just
watching it. But that keepers the idea that the keepers,
uh the keeper play action where the quarterback is going
(11:45):
to be outside the pocket. That that marries with the
outside zone again because the defense has to flow harder
and faster to the point of attack because it's a
wider point of attack. Now the quarterback is going in
the opposite direction. So you have that part of it
for where it's worth K nine, he's got twenty nine
carries on outside zone and a five point eight average.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
You've got Zach Sharbonnay.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
He's got fourteen carries in a one point five average.
So you heard damikus Ryans. He didn't mention anything about
Zach Scharbonay. And that's something that we've been talking about
almost weekly, is the Canine Sharboney deal. I'm gonna I'm
gonna continue to say that that I'm a little bit
surprised and a little bit put off by the ratio.
(12:29):
I think Canine's your guy. The numbers I just cited
suggest that Canine's your guy. The opposing coach isn't talking
about Zach Sarbonay, but perhaps that's a little different question.
But and then here's another thing. Let me go one
other play action because we could talk play action and
what Sam Darnold does for an hour last year. That
(12:50):
the Detroit Lions, by the way, I'm gonna just give
you a general action if you want to understand pro football.
In the last couple of years, the Detroit Lions are
number one in frequency of play under center. Nobody's close, okay,
Jared goff In in multiple ways that I filtered it.
Sam Donald a year ago as the Viking quarterback was
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second in frequency, but number one in passer rating including
over the middle of the field at one hundred and
forty three passer rating under center play action and in
over the middle of the field. So that is very
difficult stuff where you have to turn the back on
the defense. But against Jacksonville, for example, do you remember
(13:30):
now you remember you remember Cooper cup caught two passes.
You remember the touchdown in the corner of the end zone,
But then there was one over the middle where Donald
he goes play action, five step, no hits. That means
you are putting a great burden on him to process.
He's gonna turn his back, He's We're not gonna go
(13:51):
have you go, Sam, We're not gonna have you go
seven steps and then take a hitch where you can relocate,
process what you see and then throw the ball. We're
gonna go five steps, no hits, and then we're gonna
against a three D four inner zone and four that
that's a lot like a baseball outfield and infield. I
know baseball is on our mind tonight. Hopefully Mariners can
(14:11):
finish him off tonight. But but between the the third
baseman and the shortstop is a little hole there that
that that cup was trying to get Uh to even
though he was kind of lying near second base, he
was running an intermediate crossing route over the top to
get into that gap between the the third basement and
(14:31):
the short stop. It was a little tiny window and
Sam Donald had to be anticipatory with that throw, and
so after having turned his back on the defense. That's
difficult stuff. And uh and and Donald does it really well.
So so I think that there's a lot going on.
But but uh, Demico Ryans is right. They're really good
at it, and it does play off on some of
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the plays, not all, some of the plays do play
off of that wide zone.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Jays sends on pace to break the all time wide
receiving record for yards. Thus far, it's only been six games,
but he has been getting open. Has he been getting
open more so because of the scheme that you're talking about,
or is he doing a better job than in years
past of just getting open on his own?
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Well, I think that he's got a coach and a
quarterback that really really feature him, and they are putting
him as the primary in most every play, and so
I mean they're really trying to feed him in right
down to even on a wide receiver screen. I thought
they would have been better served to have thrown the
(15:39):
ball to Tory Horton on that particular wide receiver screen,
just because Tory Horton's the punt returner. He's got that
twitch and that vision with the ball in his hands,
and you want to have the defense be aware that
other people other than number eleven can catch the ball.
But I just think Jackson Smith and Jigba he's got
he's so much like a Mecca Boka. It's crazy to me,
(16:01):
but they're both about six to one. They're low cut guys.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Big boo. It's not a Mecca book. It's big boo,
per big boom.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
OKAYI a big bo look on bit whatever.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
But but but there's there's there's a uh, there's some
similarities in there in that they're both exactly of course
they went to Ohio State that but that point notwithstanding,
both are out six to one, so neither really tall
nor nor short, just kind of a mid size receiver
a little over two hundred pounds strengthen the legs low
cut uh uh short legs relative to their their torso,
(16:36):
and that prevents them from having elite top end speed.
I mean even the post route that that you had
from jas N and in that for that touchdown, I mean,
there wasn't a lot of separation. That was Sam Darnold
just walking the football to a receiver. But it wasn't
like he was running away. You didn't see signs of
(16:56):
a sub four three guy. You saw signs of a
high four four guy, which is fast enough when you
have that beautiful change of direction, which again I believe
is absolutely tied to his body style.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
He is so quick in it.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
They ran a shake route for the first time, which
is a post corner, and he was so damn fast
out of that.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Jaysn.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
They ran it twice. They got a what was it,
a twenty yarder and an eighteen yarder. One of them
was the one we spin the ball, spin the ball
and he got the personal foul. But that's a new route.
We haven't seen the shape like that from them. And
the body control is just elite, and the ball tracking
is elite, The hands are elite, the IQ is elite.
The only thing that's not elite on Jaysn is size
(17:41):
and long speed and everything else is elite.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Hey, Hugh, we got about three minutes left in this segment.
We'll come back and talk some dogs next segment. But
there's a report out that the Seahawks are shopping Tarik Woolan.
One rumor has him connected to Devon ah Chine running
back from Miami. And I guess my question to you
in just the next couple of minus Terreek Wall and
the guy that you can see John Snider re signing
over the offseason, and if not, if you can move him,
(18:07):
would you consider moving them?
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Well, I think their depth is pretty thin, so I'd
be concerned about what they have in behind him. Now,
you saw Shaquille Griffin play. I think he kind of
got lucky, did not get picked on more. I think
that that as teams put him on tape, they will
try and find ways to get him. So I don't
(18:30):
want to have too much confidence in what you know, Pritchart.
We saw him break down against Tampa Bay, so I'm
a little concerned. The reason why I think that you're
you're hearing these rumors is while Reek Wolan has an
immense high side, I think the inco two things. Obviously
we know he's very inconsistent, but I think there's also
(18:51):
a lack of toughness and competitiveness that just doesn't fit
their style. I think you look at Riek Wollan, he
was a going back to high school I did. I
worked on bioed him. He was an elite basketball player.
He was described as this great slasher and dunker, and
you know at his height and his jumping ability, he's
thin like a basketball player. Then he then then he
(19:13):
he didn't grow as much as he wants. So then
he becomes a wide receiver. Three years at Texas San
Antoni as a wide receiver, and then you know, late
in his college career he goes to dB, Well, you
gotta be tougher to play corner than you do to
be wide receiver. That's that that that's in my mind.
That's just a fact that it's opinion, but I viewed
as a fact. And and so I I just see
(19:35):
signs of of Reek Woolan, who just doesn't want to
mix it up. You know, I just don't know. I
don't think God put him on the planet. Is I
think his body he can be an NFL corner. I
don't think his mentality is that of an NFL corner.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
No.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
We saw that in the Niner game for sure. I
remember talking about his desire in that Niner game, and
that's exactly what you're talking about. Hey, here, do me
a favorite. Hold tight, we'll come back.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
We do.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Got to get your thought. The Texans coming here Monday.
And then roughly forty one years ago, you walked into
the Big House and gotta win against the Wolverines, right
eighty four September fifteenth, did But yes, it was a
good day for all. Well, you were the quarterbacks, so
give yourself some damn credit. What does Daman Williams have
to do to mirror Hugh Millen's performance that day forty
(20:20):
one years ago? Next on ninety three three KJRFF.
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Millan Reinge joins us and day here before we transfer
over to you, do any thoughts on the Tamiico Ryan CJ.
Stroud led Texans that we'll see on Monday night coming
to town.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
I just think that their defense can play. They have
a very high ceiling. I think they play with an aggression.
They seem to run a little hotter and colder than
most teams. You could say that for anybody on either
side of the ball, right. But I think that when
when they're good, they're really good, and then when they
are not tied together and they're not playing with the emotion,
(21:32):
then they can be very average. So I think that
there's more of a disparity than the average defense. But
they're extremely talented and they when they get into a
ball howking mode.
Speaker 7 (21:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
I just go back to that playoff game where Justin
Herbert had gone the entire season last year three interceptions
for the entire year, and they Detexans were able to
pick them off four times, never been done in history.
A guy in one game throws more picks in a
playoff game than he had in the entire regular season.
And so so when that happens, you're seeing defenders that
(22:10):
are really looking to be almost borderline on sound. They're
gonna jump balls. And he say, wait a minute, what
would have happened if they would have done a stutter
go on you on that play? Yeah, you got the interception,
but hang on that. That doesn't look really sound to me.
And then they just they kind of put their palms
up and they say, well, I'm glad they didn't run
a stutter go. So, but that's got to be something
that that Sam Darnold of course, and Clint Kubiak are
(22:34):
aware of, is just how much are they jumping things?
And can you make them pay for playing unsound defense?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yes, it's fine. I just looked at CJ.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Stroud and didn't realize he was only twenty four years
of age, even though he's in his third season. Great
first year numbers considerably dipped last year, but now it's
back up to seventy one percent completion, eight touchdowns, three interceptions,
one O two.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Passer rating how much you liked CJ.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Stroud and what.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Happened to him last year.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Well, I think the refrain when I watched them, everything
that was said about their offensive line was a factor.
I think that he was bothered more by poor protection.
He had injuries at the wide receiver position. I think
I like him as a player because, particularly his rookie year,
he had the pension to go down the field. Like
(23:22):
to me, he's like a legitimate sophisticated NFL quarterback. And
what I mean by that, I do not think that
Jalen Hurts is a sophisticated NFL quarterback. I think I
think he runs a high school offense. I think that
when if he doesn't see his first read, he just
he just runs and and so you know, he reminds
(23:46):
me of a gussied up high school quarterback. That's Jalen Hurts.
When when I watch uh CJ. Stroud, you know, when
he's at his best, I mean that that guy is processing.
He's looking to go hunting, big game, hunting down the field.
He uses his legs only when needed. He's athletic enough.
You know, he's not an elite athlete, but he can
(24:09):
make every throw in the in the passing tree. So
I am much more drawn as a fan to CJ.
Stroud's style of quarterbacking when he's on than I am
to Jalen Hurts and some of the rest. So I
think that, Yeah, I like the kid, and I think
he's been getting better protection now and he's in year
(24:30):
three and he's bouncing back.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Here. We got about five minutes here Michigan forty one
years ago. We're looking to do the same, looking for
DeMont Williams to walk into the Big House and get
a win. And John Wilder was on with us, and
he thinks the Huskies are gonna win this game. It's
a Michigan defense that is not like they were a
couple of years ago. They're number three in the Big
ten and rushing, but they're thirteenth and passing at eleventh
overall in total d and just gave up one hundred
(24:54):
and sixty yards to walk on for USC and a
guy named King Miller last week. And I'm just drooling
to see what DeMont Williams can do against this Michigan defense.
So talk to us about what your advice would be
for Demant, because you've been there, you know what it takes.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Yeah, And I think things were a little different because
in eighty four the Wolverines were ranked second and they
had just beat the national champion, the form Miami Hurricans.
And so I'm watching the tape and the Michigan defense
picked off Bernie Cozar six times.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
So I I you know, every with every interception.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
When I watched, I said, well, don't do that, don't
do that, right, So I think that Washington and their preparation,
they're gonna see a beatable team. I don't I don't
think they're playing with great emotion. I think that they
haven't really found themselves after Harbaugh left, and and we've
seen what Demon Williams can do with against anything other
(25:54):
than very elite defenses. I mean, he can shred like
nobody against if you're not an A level defense, he
can really clown you, right, And so I think there's
a great chance you go in there.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
It's a particularly difficult stadium to play because of the construction.
It's more in kind of a bowl, and the and
the noise goes up as opposed to steep crowd where
the noise comes down on you. So now they're densely packed.
It's it's the most densely packed stadium. When you look
at it, you go, oh my god, one grenade would
kill like forty thousand people. So it's there's a unique
(26:33):
there's a unique h Hey, listen, when you're going to play,
you gotta sometimes you got to get into these war metaphors.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
But that's what it's how many people would die in
a stadium if a grenade went off. But Michigan's on
the top of the list hotly.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
One grenade would kill more Michigan fans than any other Yes.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So in an event, that's just an observation.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I don't know it was.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I think that it's a very able game for Washington
and Demon Williams. You know, you go back and you say, okay,
what were the mistakes that you made against Ohio State.
I thought that there was a really good game plan
to take the nakeds away, a five down defensive alignment
that where the ends on the opposite side of the
running backs were really coming up the field to stop
(27:20):
the booty. They double covered Danzel Boston down in the
red zone. In ways it really seemed to stemy the
Husky offense in that regard, So I think that they
probably say, hey, if we learn our lessons from how
those Ohio State athletes defended us, if we can if
we can be sharp there, Well, the Michigan isn't going
(27:41):
to be as sharp as good as Ohio State, presumably
on defense. So I think there's a sensational chance to
go in and get another.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
W got to ask you about Kurt Signetti.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Are you surprised he's staying at Indiana or would you
thought that he might jump to Happy Valley.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I think it's great for college football. I'm a little
but twelve million is a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I think.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
You know, sometimes guys they feel like, hey, I've got
everything that I want here, don James. I mean, I
talked to Carol uh you know, right after Caitlyn went
to Alabama. I, you know, I just want to reacquaint
myself with the circumstance.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Called Carol up and said.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Hey, you know, I know coach James was rumored to
have been, you know, contacted by teams, and she she
walked me through.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
For example, Ohio State.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Uh DJ had a meeting with Ohio State only because
the athletic director says, hey, come on, you know, just
meet me. I need to at least tell my boosters
that I met with you. He says, okay, but I'm
not going to sign. So he goes back. They meet
in a clandestine spot. Carrol said somewhere in Ohio. Wasn't
in Columbus. And then he flew back and he said, hey,
(28:51):
I've got everything I want at Washington. Well, when you
have those type of values, guess what you get a
statue in front of a stadium for you. And Siggs
may have had something like that. I'm not in his head.
I don't know if he's comment in on it, but
he may have had. We can make some inferences about
his decision. He may have said, hey, look I got
everything I need here, you know, and I can build
(29:13):
a winner here. So so I obviously, like everybody, I
can't imagine that anybody would say that's not good for
college football. What he's done there, and the fact that
he's willing to stay there.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Yeah, good for him. All right, man, listen, great stuff
and enjoy the weekend, enjoy the game tomorrow the Hawks Monday,
and we will talk soon.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Man preciate thanks you rock and roll hammer down guys.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
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how are you pal?
Speaker 10 (30:20):
Well? Well, well we meet again.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Hey, listen, I apologize for last week. The game went long.
I thought we could fit you in. We didn't. It's
my fault, and I apologize profusely for making you hang
last last week. Michael. It'll never happen again. How's that?
Speaker 10 (30:41):
You know?
Speaker 11 (30:42):
There's certain frustrations in this job, sometimes you have player
only meetings and other players there either later they don't
show up at all.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Well, and we appreciate you. You're a professional, yes, he is.
Those guys are punks, he is, you're a profession Well
let's uh, let's talk about a guy that called out
of his teammates the other day and then apologize for
it to a Tango Byloa after the loss over the weekend,
says guys are late, they're not coming to meetings, they
don't give a damn. And then today's says, oh, I'm sorry. Well,
maybe that's exactly what Miami needed was to a doing
(31:13):
that last week. So tell me about the relationship between
Tua and Mike McDaniel and whose seat is hotter in Miami,
Tua or the coach.
Speaker 11 (31:23):
When I first heard the comments, I thought that possibly
Tua has tried to communicate directly with players and that
didn't work, so he opted to take it public.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
Aaron Rodgers, I believe.
Speaker 11 (31:34):
Has done that in the past when young receivers weren't
doing what he thought young receivers needed to do.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
But then McDaniel followed.
Speaker 11 (31:41):
To and clumsily tried to explain it away. As direct communication. Well,
it's not direct communication. It's in direct communication through the media,
and it creates a problem. By the next day McDaniel
had seen and heard what Tuas said and he acknowledged
he shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 10 (31:58):
That wasn't the time for it.
Speaker 11 (31:59):
But today when Sua said what we fully expected him
to say that he shouldn't have done it, and he
apologized for it. The question that has been obscured by
all of this, who was he talking about? We don't
know who he was talking about.
Speaker 10 (32:13):
And one of the reporters.
Speaker 11 (32:15):
Very adroitly asked the question, who are the leaders on
the offensive side of the.
Speaker 10 (32:18):
Ball, and he started rattling off names.
Speaker 11 (32:20):
So it's not those guys. So if you guys got
exempted indirectly from being responsible for not doing what they
need to do. But other than the guys he named,
any of them, some of them, maybe all of them,
are the ones who aren't leading and clearly aren't following.
Speaker 10 (32:36):
So there's still an issue there. And as to the
hot speat question, I.
Speaker 11 (32:38):
Think Mike McDaniel was on a very hot.
Speaker 10 (32:41):
Seat right now.
Speaker 11 (32:42):
I'd say he's the most likely to be the next
to be fired. Two his contract is fully guaranteed through
next year. They really screwed this up. In twenty twenty four,
they ripped up this fifth year option of twenty three
million and change, and they gave him a three year
contract that pays out more than one hundred and fifty million,
fully guaranteed.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
They had no reason to do that.
Speaker 11 (33:01):
Let him play out the option, and if he plays
Light's out, franchise tag and if he plays Lights out,
tag him again, and all that combined is like one
hundred and ten millions, not one hundred and fifty and
they still would have had him for three years, and
they would have the ability to cut the cord whenever
they wanted to. They blew this, and I think it's
time for Steven Ross to hit the reset button and
clear out everyone GM head coach and the new head coach.
(33:23):
You know, he doesn't have to play to it. He
has to pay him. But I think by next year,
week one, we're going to see, or at least we
should see new DM, new coach, new quarterback across the
board in Miami and they'll start over once again.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
So Mike Tomlin's very confused as to what Cleveland was
doing trading their starting quarterback to a division arrival. Does
he have a point or is he just kind of
trying to fire up his team by pumping up Joe
Flacco's tires before they face the Bengals tomorrow.
Speaker 11 (33:50):
Well, I think he's rather faced Jake Browning than Joe Flacco.
You know, regular season all time Joe Flacco and Mike
Tomlin are I believe eleven and eleven and that last
year beat the Steelers as the backup for the Colts.
And Tomlin admitted a few weeks ago that he told
his players Keith Anthony Richardson upright because they didn't want
to see Joe Flacco. And it was in the context
(34:12):
of the Vikings starting Carson Wentz over JJ McCarthy. Tomlin
would rather face an inexperienced quarterback. And look at what
he's done against young quarterbacks. His record against young quarterback
is incredible. So I think this is as simple as
he'd rather see Jake Browning and he doesn't agree with
the way the Browns do business. And look, the Browns
made the decision as a matter of basic analytics. They
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were able to upgrade a draft pick, they move on
from a player that they didn't want any longer.
Speaker 10 (34:37):
Who cares if it goes to a division rival. That's
the way they look at it. Well, I know who cares.
Speaker 11 (34:42):
Mike Tomlin cares because now he's got a face, a
better quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Hey, Mike Florio's with us on the radio program. Courtesy
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And Mike, I may be dreaming. I may be imagining this,
but I thought you came out with your rankings the
other day and I thought I saw the Hawks in
the top ten in your power rankings. I believe you
had them at number eight, and good for you, because
(35:08):
they're a fumble away from maybe being a five and
one football team. Right now, it feels like the league
is starting to take notice of the Hawks and Sam
Darnold man.
Speaker 11 (35:18):
And look, the NFC is very jumbled with a lot
of good teams.
Speaker 10 (35:23):
The AFC is jumbled with a lot of teams that
we don't know what they are. And we want this
as fans.
Speaker 11 (35:29):
We want parody, we want unpredictability, We want as many
teams to be alive as long as possible.
Speaker 10 (35:35):
To the season.
Speaker 11 (35:36):
But as somebody who from time to time is expected
to know what the hell's going on, I don't like
this confusion. I mean, there's been like a run of
seven of eight primetime games.
Speaker 10 (35:44):
Where it's been an upset.
Speaker 11 (35:45):
So there's reason to watch tomorrow night because hell, maybe
the Bengals will beat the Steelers. Teams are more closely packed.
There is no truly great team. The Bucks at five
and one are number one in the power rankings, and
they are flawed. The Colts at number two, arguably should
be number one because they're the only team that has
dominated lesser opponents. You've got other teams who are just
(36:06):
barely skating by with teams that they should pummel. So
it's packed together tight, and it's going to result in injuries,
bad calls which are good calls for the other team,
and just weird bounces to the ball that will determine
who gets into the playoffs and ultimately who advances the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Well you're Tony, right, I mean I counted fifteen teams yesterday.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
I just looked at him. I tilt my head a
certain way. I could envision them making the Super Bowl.
But speaking of the Super Bowl Mike. Every coach quarterback
combo that has won at least one Super Bowl together
won their first Super Bowl within the first five years
of being together. This is year eight for McDermott and
Josh Allen. Is Sean McDermott like just Doug Collins or
(36:48):
Mark Jackson like good coaches that can get MJ and
Steph Curry a couple of rounds deep, but they need
a Phil Jackson or Steve Kerr to get a title.
Speaker 11 (36:57):
Well, there's a question in Buffalo that we'll fray a
lot of nerves within the building when it's raised. Is
this a team that is sufficiently talented but not effectively coached,
or is this a team that is being coached very
well but just isn't very talented. You know, I was
surprised the Bills weren't at the front of the line
(37:18):
to try to.
Speaker 10 (37:18):
Get Michael Parsons. I was very surprised.
Speaker 11 (37:20):
If you're trying to get over the hump, you got
to make some bold moves, and they've resisted. In twenty
twenty one, Von Miller was available, OBJ was available. The
Rams got them both, and arguably they provided the difference
to winning a Super Bowl.
Speaker 10 (37:31):
The Bills weren't interested.
Speaker 11 (37:32):
At the time in either one. So you got to
be ready to make that move to get over the hump.
Speaker 10 (37:38):
And whether it's talent, whether it's coaching, you.
Speaker 11 (37:40):
Wonder how many more years into Josh Allen's career, ownership
will tolerate being just good enough. And there are teams
out there and I'll say we wanted in the super
Bowl every single year because they have to say that
for some honors.
Speaker 10 (37:54):
I think it's just good enough to be just good enough.
Speaker 11 (37:58):
Because the money's the same whether you win the Super
Bowl or not.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah. Well, Mike Flora's with us and Mike going back
to last Thursday's game with the Giants and Eagles, and
you know, the Jackson Dart thing looked good for him.
He looks fine. But what I was kind of taken
aback by is the reaction that people had to Russell
Wilson entering the game last Thursday, and not just the fans,
but Dabell could not wait to get his ass off
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the field, goes into the medical tent to try to
get Jackson Darts. That was no good. Kirk kirk Street
on TV is even kind of like, man, they got
to get him out of there. I mean, it's amazing, Mike,
What's happened to Russell Wilson. It's like he walked into
the wrong bathroom and people were just killing him on
Thursday night in New York. How far has Russell Wilson
fallen since he left Seattle, Oh?
Speaker 11 (38:43):
In that urgency by day Ball that may result in
a massive fine, possibly the loss of the draft pick
because day Ball entered the mouth of the medical tent
camp scattab who actually went inside. Both are violations, both
are under investigation, and it was because, as day Ball
said after the game, we had a fourth down coming
up and if he was coming back in the game,
I was going to go for it, which means there's
no way in hell I'm going for it if the.
Speaker 10 (39:05):
Other guy is out there.
Speaker 11 (39:06):
But they saw just enough of Russell Wilson for the
first three weeks of the season to know that he just.
Speaker 10 (39:12):
Doesn't have it anymore.
Speaker 11 (39:13):
And how emasculating and humiliating for a very proud guy
like Russell Wilson. I'm surprised he hasn't demanded to be traded.
I mean, if I'm the Bengals, I make to play
for him, not Joe Flacco. But this is where we
are and we'll see what the punishment.
Speaker 10 (39:29):
Is for the Giants.
Speaker 11 (39:29):
They got to get Jackson Dark to play a little
more within himself, though he did that launch on the
sideline at one point.
Speaker 10 (39:35):
Last Thursday night. You got to stay healthy.
Speaker 11 (39:37):
Your most important attribute as a potential franchise quarterback is availability.
Speaker 10 (39:41):
You can't be putting.
Speaker 11 (39:42):
Yourself at risk for a random yard here or there.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
How about the sideline incident that happened last week. Your
take on the Jonathan gannon physical contact on Imri de
Mercado and then the fine that he got subsequently, was
it warranted?
Speaker 10 (40:00):
Is absolutely warrant. There's a line you can't cross.
Speaker 11 (40:02):
And I know it's a physical sport, but the coaches
aren't exerting physicality. They're on the sideline and the way
he approached him, it was obvious from the angle that
was available, even though it was behind de Marcado and
a teammate who was consoling him. You could see contacts
being made and then there's a big kind of slap
on the arm again and walked away. It's just uncalled
for and kudos to the Cardinals were doing what they did.
(40:24):
I think the league would have done something. The Union
would have insisted on it. If the Cardinals hadn't imposed that, fine,
it's just the line you cannot cross. And you know,
it was fifty years ago this football season that I
was a ten year old playing fifth grade football at
a grade school, Catholic grade school.
Speaker 10 (40:42):
In the town where I grew up.
Speaker 11 (40:43):
And back then, man, if you were standing around, you
got the coaches foot.
Speaker 10 (40:46):
Up your ass right, and you got dragged around by
your face mask.
Speaker 11 (40:49):
And I mean I still remember stuff like that, and
in some ways it fuels me, and in some ways
it haunts me.
Speaker 10 (40:54):
But you just can't do that anymore.
Speaker 11 (40:56):
To any athlete, whatever the sport is, you can't lay
hands on people.
Speaker 10 (41:00):
And and Gannon probably knew.
Speaker 11 (41:02):
That De Marcado would take it, because if you mess
with the wrong guy, you're gonna get Latrell's freewell.
Speaker 10 (41:09):
And you just wonder going forward how that.
Speaker 11 (41:12):
Settles in in the locker room and how the players
view again and after he essentially bullied De Marcado, I.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Really hope our friend PJ. Carlismo is not listening right now.
By the way, Hey Mike, you're the man, great stuff,
and we're talking a week see you, buddy.
Speaker 10 (41:25):
Unless you don't call.
Speaker 11 (41:26):
I mean, we'll talk in a week after it, we're
gonna think we need to do that.
Speaker 10 (41:30):
From now on, we're.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Gonna call guarantee Mike Florio with us. We're gonna break
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