October 20, 2025 • 50 mins
In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain look ahead to tonight’s game seven in the ALCS between the Mariners and Blue Jays, discuss the game and entire series with former All Star Bret Boone plus Hugh Millen jumps on to preview Hawks-Texans tonight.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I kind of wish that some of these games were
spread out. To be honest with you, man, I mean,
if the Seahawks in the NFL just say, you know what,
We'll do you a favor and we'll play this.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Game tomorrow, fine by me, no problem at all.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Cracking could have played this game at eleven o'clock in
the morning, and that would have been great, because I
just don't know how we can justify honestly, and I
guess it just becomes what are you a bigger fan of?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
When it's all said and done.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Maybe I can't justify thinking about focusing on worrying about
anything besides Game seven. You know, I saw a guy
tweeting today that he would He says like something like,
you know, I know I'm gonna lose followers for this,
but I would take a Seahawk loss.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Or are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I take a Hawk loss every freaking day till Thanksgiving
to win a game tonight and go to the World Series.
And I guess we have to just decide real quick
here because we have a short show with a Crack
in pregame of three thirty face off a four o'clock
from Philadelphia. How much are we gonna sit and wallow
in what happened yesterday versus prepare ourselves for tonight at
five o'clock. And I would say, real quick, if this
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team plays the way they played last night tonight, they're done.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Forget about it.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's over. There will be no World Series. The Blue
Jays will win the American League, the Mariners will piss
away a two to zero lead, and we will be
absolutely heartbroken and crushed. And this is exactly the only
thing that I'm talking about. I think it was after
Game three when they got hammered, right, thirteen to four?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Is that correct? Game three was thirteen to four.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I don't want to go to bed tonight and lump
this game in this evening Dick with the eighty four
excuse me, eighty three AFC Championship game or the ninety
three Western Conference Finals game or the UUW Michigan game
for the National Championship, where my team in the end
either A didn't show up from the start or B
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eventually got run out of the building.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
They lose, they lose. We lose.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We go down swinging, We go down swinging. But the
metal mistakes the heirs Julio A. Uhanio cal Riley, Leo Revas,
JP Crawford, all of that in yesterday's game. If you
want to give us that kind of of an effort
to night, then you just tell me that right now,
And I just won't why.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I'll go, I'll go walk right in that stadium.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I'll get in there for the pregame show, and I'll
be a part of everything happening at Luminfield. But if
you want to fight for a world series, and you
want to fight to realize a dream that we've been
dreaming in this town for a half a century, that
I will invest every emotional bone in my body to
watch those boys do everything they can to.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Deliver that dream tonight. End the story period.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I've heard a lot of people, and I think on
the surface, you can agree that they say, well, it's
just too big for him, The moment was too big
for them last night.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But then I was like, it looks like it they did.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
They did, They absolutely did to not show up, almost
to a man, and the biggest game in your lives
was just simply ex inexcusable last night. But then I
think we'll wait a second. We're we're a week removed,
a week and a half removed from them stepping up
and winning in fifteen innings in the biggest game of
their lives at that point, so we know they have
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it in them. So why were that Why was that
not able to take place last night? Sure, I have
no idea. I think the thing that worries me more.
I think the thing that worries me more. And the
real reason that I'm kind of filled with dread now
whereas I was filled with hope and optimism twenty four
hours ago going into that game, is that we have
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been completely outplayed for four consecutive games, with a one
inning exception, and that's the eighth inning on Friday. That's
what worries me the most. It has been twenty eight
to nine Blue Jays in those four games, other than
that big inning that the Mariners had in the eighth.
That's what probably worries me the most.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Of them.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, I got them in the three games that Toronto
has won, They've but ou scored twenty seven to eight.
And then, like you talked about, just the eighth inning
right of game number five, and going back to what
you were saying about, you know, why was the pressure
there a night ago, or why was it there last night,
But why didn't we see it in the other game.
We may have seen it, it just didn't manifest itself
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because they were playing a weaker ball club and the
Tigers could be number one, number two. I also think
when you get this close to a World Series for
the first time ever as a franchise, I mean, look, Dick,
there's no team in baseball, no dugout, no clubhouse, no
twenty six, twenty seven man roster in baseball that has
heard more either directly or indirectly from the media and
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the fan base. Your team has never been to a
WORL World Series ever than these guys. They're human, that's all.
They've got to be able to feel some of that.
That's got to weigh on them a little bit. And
they can talk all they want about, Hey, we're taking
it day by day. We'll do everything we do well.
You didn't play alike it because last night was the
first game all year. You had three airs. I mean
that played by Julio in centerfield that stretches a single
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into a double. You should have been out of it.
With a double play that Aohaneo couldn't handle. JP's just horrific.
Base running mistake on that ball off the wall by
Leo Revos. He almost gets picked off on a ball that.
I mean, dude, there's a guy on second.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
What's your hurry? I mean, just not even focused at all.
So it is really hard for me to dick. You
may be right, and it's really hard to know. Obviously
nobody will ever know, but it's very difficult for me
to just dismiss that, at least last night, and we'll
see what happens tonight that at least last night, these
guys were not feeling the pressure a little bit of
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having to win this thing to get to the World Series.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And now it's gonna be a freaking zoo.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I mean, guys, everything we talked about after coming home
up to oh how many times did we say we
want nothing to do with Game seven?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Well here we are. We want nothing to do with
Game seven. You got no choice.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You got to deal with Game seven in an absolute
circus environment in Toronto. And I look, I Millan may
put this in different terms when he comes on. Brett
Boone may put this in different terms when he comes
on next segment. This to me is gonna be about
who's got a bigger nutsack. That's right, that's period, end
of story. Who's got bigger balls? Who will be able
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to focus and deliver a clutch moment for their franchise
Because somebody's gonna do that. There's gonna be a hero
either way, whether you like it or not, there's gonna
be a hero.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And that hero may come.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
If the Blue Jays kick our ass, that hero may
be Vladimir Guerrero with a game busting grand Slam in
the fifth inning. If the Mariners kick their ass, it
might be Julio with an inside the park home run
that makes for the nine to three game in the
sixth inning.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Who knows somebody is getting a hero tonight.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I think ninety nine percent of all the days between
Day one of the season and now we would have
signed up for Game seven of the ALCS right on
the road. I think the only time we wouldn't of
is when we were up one h or two to
zero in this series. I think that's the only time
in this whole season that we wouldn't have signed up
for this opportunity right now. Who's gonna step up? Is
it gonna be George Kirby? Well, interestingly enough, George Kirby
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has pitched in each of the last three potential games
series or series clinching names, and he has a point
six nine ERA. He has gone thirteen innings good. And
we're talking about the Toronto game when he came in relief.
We're talking about the Houston eighteen inning game, and we're
talking about the fifteen inning game in Detroit. He pitched
in all three of those games. He allowed one earned
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run in thirteen innings of baseball. We need that. George
Kirby tonight.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well, I was looking at I look, I am getting
kind of tired of all these stats numbers. We could
stat ourselves to death, number ourselves to death about.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Why we feel bad, why we feel good.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I'm kind of with you that I am just a
I'm a negative bastard, scared out of my freaking mind.
Debbie Downer right now. I mean, I don't want to
talk to anybody. I don't want to look at anybody.
I don't want to laugh with anybody. I went to
the office today and people were like, oh, you're ready,
it's a shut up, leave me alone. I just don't
want to talk to anybody. People get through these things
certain ways, and get it. I get through it being miserable. Okay,
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But I saw our buddy Sarah Langs on Twitter last night.
When there's a winner take all game, either in a
game game five or bet or a best of seven series,
the winner at home is sixty eight the game the
home team, sorry, Dick, is sixty eight and sixty seven.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Best of seven, the home team is thirty and twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Wow, it just fifty to fifty is the epitome of
a pick'm that's interesting tonight. It is a toss up
in Toronto. Put your best foot forward. That's all we ask.
You go down swinging, you go down swinging, but you
put your best foot forward tonight, guys, that's all we're
freaking asking for. Man two thirteen Brett Boone's gonna enjoy
Next on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
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Speaker 4 (08:50):
There's just the only change.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
And you know, looking at you know how he has
swung the bat and I think more or less the
energy he brings to our club and the energy he
brings to the lineup, and you know some of the
things he can do on the basis and whatnot. So
a chance to get him in there today and and uh,
you know again, make a little bit of adjustment, changings
up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
All right, Victor Roblast Stan Wilson. They're talking about the
lineup changes. Horri Polanko and uh, Horiy Polanco and Josh
Naylor excuse me, switching spots in the lineup tonight as well.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
So a little bit of a different look.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Julio back in the leadoff spot though tonight for the
biggest game in Mariner baseball history. And here he is
joining us on the radio show after a brief hiatus.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
We may not get a chance to get this guy
back anytime soon because he is spoken for, but he
got a hall pass from his boss, the Rangers hitting coach,
our friend Brett Boone and joining us right now on
the radio program, Booty, how are you, man?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Hice? Softy is Dick there too? Hey, how are you hey? Dick? Well,
haven't I haven't talked to you guys for a while.
Softy occasionally yell yells at me through a text. But
other than that, I haven't heard from you guys in
a while.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well I appreciate you. Yeah, Now let me yell I
get through the text.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, let's talk about it, man, talk about the emotion, momentum,
things like that. In baseball. We talk about it a
lot in football. We talk about a lot in basketball.
Game of runs in basketball? How much does momentum, the
energy of the crowd come back by the Blue Jays,
the ass kicking last night by Toronto, mental mistakes by Seattle, whatever,
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how much does all that play a role?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
You're thinking tonight's game seven, I.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Don't think any. I mean, Tonight's gonna be its separate entity.
I think you know you're looking at a curb George Kirby,
who's been just great and money in big situation. When
he's got his good stuff, he is tough, you know,
talking to my hitters in Texas like, when Kirby's got
his stuff, he's no fun to face. However, last time
Toronto got to him. It's probably the only blip on
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the radar for him in a while. But I think
he gave up eight runs against Toronto last time, So
if he can get that out of his mind. Taking
the Mount tonight. Are in pretty good hands with the
George Kirby. You got Bieber coming off of Tommy John surgery.
He's pitch pretty good since he's been back. He's always
going to be tough. But here's the two things I
look at, you know, down the stretch in September, coming
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through with the Texas Rangers and watching this team. There's
something special. It's almost early two thousands in Seattle when
we were playing there on that great run, Just the
city had a special electricity about it. You couldn't explain
it to anybody. Just walk around. When I left Toronto
in September after a three game series and they beat
us two out of three, I felt that type of electricity,
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like the whole city was just engulfed in this Toronto
Blue Jays. So those guys that are playing in Toronto
right now, they're going through a pretty special time. You know,
I know what that feels like, and it's pretty awesome.
You want to bottle it because it doesn't last forever.
And they're a really good team and they're explosive. They
put the ball play, they don't strike out, and that's
been the key to a lot of their success going
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into this postseason. What surprised me the most, or into
this particular series, as the Mariners go up there, play
two games in Toronto and whoop them.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Toronto's probably been one of the toughest teams, especially the
second half, to beat at home. So Seattle goes up
there and gives them a beating two games. I just
think Seattle's gonna run away and hide from this series.
But Toronto comes to Seattle and the Mobile Park and
beats them two out of three there to force a
game six. All of a sudden, it's locked up at
threes and it's all hands on deck tonight. Just for
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the record, after going through the season this year and
all the American League teams, I thought, and this was honest,
I have you know. It's not the bias.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
It's not because I.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Played there for a long time. I thought Seattle Mariners,
especially after the trade deadline, picking up Suarez and adding
Naylor to the to the repertoire, I thought they were
the best team in baseball. With that, with a quality
pitcher going to the post every night, from Kirby to
Gilbert to Miller to Woo to Castillo and then one
two punch with Brash and Muno's at the end. The
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pitching was as tough as a guy on a nightly basis.
You were never gonna have an easy, easy night with
that staff and so many weapons, you know, from Julio
to to a Rose Arena to Naylor to Suarez hitting
fifty home runs, and then you get to Raleigh, who
had that historic season behind the plate. They've just got
more weapons to take you deep than I think any
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team in the American League. So I thought they were
the best team, but as everybody knows, the best team
doesn't always win. It's gonna be really interesting tonight and
three three, two great ball clubs going at it all
hands on deck. You know, Gosman's gonna be available. You
probably everybody in the Seattle rotation, maybe with the exception
of Gilbert, is gonna be available tonight. So I'll be
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watching it should be it should be a lot of fun,
maybe fun if it doesn't go your way. I don't
think Softie's gonna have fun.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
No, no, no, I about having fun? Now, are you
kidding me?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Booney? Try to explain the stat that SOFTI just threw
out in the last segment where basically in all deciding
games of five games and seven game series, it's essentially
fifty to fifty whether the home team wins or not.
The home field advantage has been non existent in baseball
deciding games. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I don't know, level of emotion, I mean so much
and this series, you know, after what I went through
with Seattle taking Toronto in Toronto, Toronto taking care of
business with Seattle in Seattle makes no sense. That makes
no sense to me. But that's why this game is
so great. You just never know what's going to happen.
So I think tonight it wouldn't matter where you were playing.
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It's just it's almost like a neutral site because of
the just because of the level of you know how
important this game is. Not only do the Toronto Blue
Jays haven't been to a World Series in a long time,
especially the Seattle Mariners in their organization, who this would
be their first berth ever in the World's which would
be a cool thing. So I just don't think the
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venue really matters tonight in a game of this much importance.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Well, you mentioned Kirby Boonie. Game three, four innings, eight runs,
all earn three bombs, a couple of walks. I mean
just awful, right, I mean, nobody would ever deny that,
neither would he. So tell me about how quick a
hook Dan Wilson needs to have with George Kirby.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Tonight.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
You mentioned it, Brian Woo's available, Bryce Miller has said
he'll pitch Castillo everybody. I mean again probably everybody except
for Logan Gilbert all.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Hands on deck.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So because of that, how big of a hook do
you need to have with George Kirby before you say
enough is enough?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Well, I think because of the quality you have in
that Seattle Mariners rotation and the names you just mentioned
that are available, Wu, Castillo, Miller, Miller's been unbelievable. So
with having those guys available tonight, I think it's gonna
be a real quick hook if that's necessarily Dan, and
Dan sees that.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
The one thing by by spending this last five months
with Bruce Bochi that that we talked about on occasion
was managing in the regular season versus managing in the postseason.
He said, his first World Series he ever went to
is with I believe the San Diego Padres, and he
said he managed just like it was a regular season series.
He said he learned from that, and then the World
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Series he won, He said, I managed with absolute I
had to. I had to just micro manage everything, and
everything was the end of the end of the world
if I don't make a move, so he said, Managing
in the postseason is definitely different than managing in the
regular season. So I say, tonight, especially with the quality
of arms Dan's got at his fingertips tonight, I think
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if he sees the first sign of trouble, he's going
to go to another one of those guys in that rotation.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
How do you explain last night? I mean, that was
the most listless, worst defensive performance of the entire season,
in the biggest game of their lives. How do you
explain that?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Right, Well, it happens, you know, it happens. That's baseball,
and teams like Toronto who constantly put pressure and I
don't know what the statistics are, haven't been keeping up
with that type of stuff lately, but I know they
put the ball in play, and I know they strike
out less than most teams in baseball, and there's no
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rhyme or reasons. Sometimes mistake one mistakes leads to another mistake,
leads to another mistake. But the one thing is Toronto
Blue Jays team's done and following them just recently from
September through the playoffs, when they get on a roll,
they just they just keep the pedal to the medal.
And I've seen them just make a mockery of games
and teams. One inning and it's all of a sudden,
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it's five to one before you know what hitches. So
this Toronto team's tough. Like I said, there's something special
going on in Toronto, But in my opinion, they're playing
the best team in the American League. That's Seattle America.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, well, let's talk about the matchup with Beamer tonight.
I mean, it's a guy who coming off Tommy John
acquired by the Blue Jays of the deadline shove it
up our button. One game already in this series, you know,
so we've seen him once, but to get to him tonight,
what would be a key or two that you would
want to share with Julio or Rosarina cal Polako and
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others about facing this guy.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, you know, these guys have a little bit of
a history. Some of the players that have been around
for three, four or five years, They've had a little
bit of a history each. Each each approach is going
to be kind of formed on your history with that individual.
So if a Rose Arena has a different history against
Bieber when he was with the Cleveland Indy or the
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Cleveland Guardians, then Julio has or cal Rawley has. It's
it's breaking it down to I don't necessarily think there's
gonna be a team approach of this or that. It's
what if I beat Bieber with? What has he beat
me with?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Get it?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Get an approach individually, Go with that approach and take it.
But the thing is with these pitchers, these caliber of pitchers,
if they've got their good stuff, I don't care what
kind of approach you have. It's it's it's a coin toss.
If you if you put a if you put a
good swing on a pitch, they're that good.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Beaver is that good.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I know he's been out for a year, but he's
a legit number one on ninety percent of the big
league teams out there, So he's he's a he's a
formidable foe. That being said, I think they have more
backup in Seattle tonight with with that rotation and the
people available, I think they do have a Gosman available
in Toronto who's been he's kind of pitched into some
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tough luck. He's pitched really well and had a couple
tough losses, not losses for him, but his team has
lost when he's pitched really well. I think the backup
that Seattle has that goes advantage Seattle versus the Toronto.
But I think the approach is going to be good.
Get a good pitch to hit and let it hack.
It's it's one game to leave it all on the table.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Well, Julio got moved to leadoffs, body's back there again today.
I mean, do you talk to Julio as a heading coach?
Do you tell them, Okay, you're in the leadoff spot
now you can't just be swinging at first pitches all
the time. Or do you just let Julio be Julio.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Well, it depends on the individual and the relationship you
have with the individual. In Texas, what we do is,
you know, there's certain guys that come to be before
the game. We go over there, not necessarily go over
the video. They watch the video on their own. I
have a question for him. What's our approach tonight? What
are we looking for? What are we trying to do?
And I could be talking to Marcus Simeon and saying
one thing, why at Langford saying something else, or an
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Evan Carter have a completely different discussion with So it
all depends on the individual. It's kind of a tailored
and a very personal thing. Everybody's different and you got
to know what their skill set is, how they how
they approach when they get in the box, and you
have to tailor that that particular game plan for the individual.
So I don't know, Julio, Well maybe it'd be a
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thing or all right, Julio, we watched the video. What
did he do to you last time? What was he
successful with? What do you think he's gonna come at
you with tonight? And let's stick with that game plan
and not waiver. There's more time than that. If you
stick with your game plan over the long haul, you're
gonna be successful.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Well, boony, listen man, great stuff. We appreciate this as
always always good to have your two cents on this, sucker,
But what do you think happens tonight? Honestly, what's your gut?
It's hard to make predictions. You said it was a
coin flip, and I agree with that honestly. Yeah, you're
picking somebody. Never mind the fact that you're on Seattle Radio.
You just tell us your gut what happens to.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
That, right, obviously, because of my time there, and you know,
that's kind of my team. You know, when people talk
to me about what team am I affiliated with, of
course it's the Seattle Mariners. From a player's perspective, I'm
just gonna go back to what I've said for two
months now. I think, at the end of the day,
the personnel the roster of the Seattle Mariners was the
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best team when the smoke settled and the season was over.
If I had to pick one team in the American League,
I thought the Seattle Mariners, top to bottom pitching to
relief to the personnel on the field, I thought they
were the best team in the American League. So I'll
stick with the Marriors in this point flip of a game,
just because I think they're the best team and they
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have the most weapons.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I love it all, right, man, good stuff, Good luck
with the Rangers. We'll talk soon, buddy.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Nice guys.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
You know there's this other thing going around, which I
don't really care about because if the Mariners get swept
in three games and a seven game World Series, I
would take that right now against the Dodgers to win
this game tonight. But our friend Sarah Langs, who was
a great follow on Twitter, seasons where one LCS was
a sweep and the other went seven games, right, So
the Dodgers swept the Brewers, and the Mariners and Blue
Jays are in seven best of seven since the LCS
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went the best of seven since eighty five, that's happened
five different times where one was a sweep and one
went seven. The other four prior times that happened, the
team that won the seven game LCS.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Won the World Series.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Now, maybe it's different now with the Dodgers in their
pay Ronald TODDI I get that, But this idea that
whoever wins this game tonight just gets steamrolled by LA
I don't buy that.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Well, no buy that, especially when your strength is the
depth in your starting rotation. Yes, I think that. I
think it really factors more if you've got one or
two great starters and that's all you have and you
have to start your fifth guy or your fourth guy.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
In game one, then you're gonna lose game Well, like
you just said, they're real quick, and then we have
factor fiction here in a second.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
But if the strength is the depth in your rotation,
then let's see it tonight. Right.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
You don't come this far talking about how great year
road because the rotation, let's face it, outside of Bryce
Miller in this series, has been crap. They have failed
them at the exact Dunn a long time of the year.
So the odds say, don't they that they gotta get
somebody to step up, somebody besides Bryce Miller of the
Big three, which is Kirby, Gilbert and Castillo.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Brian Woo's banged up, so I'm not including him.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
But if those three, all we need is one of
them to step up one time tonight and you could
pull this thing off.
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Speaker 1 (24:20):
And I'm laughing a little bit because how many times
have you and I sat here at Jimmy's and asked ourselves, Gee,
what's gonna happen if there's a Seahawk.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Game in a big Mariner game that night? Well, here
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I'm looking at a Seahawk football team that, just like
the Mariners Dick dying for a win, the Seahawks are
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dying for a win at home.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
They're four and eight.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Eventually, you gotta play the odds that that's going to
turn around under Mike McDonald. Eventually they're going to put
a game together at home on prime time against what
I think is a lesser football team, with a lesser
coaching staff, with a lesser offensive line, and the most
important part, a lesser quarterback right now than Sam Darnold.
I think the Hawks may roll, like actually roll tonight
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in this game. I would not be surprised if they
won this game by fourteen, seventeen points or more. I
like the Hawks minus the three tonight in factor fiction.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
There's never been a time in Seattle sports history where
a stadium's vibe is going to be more affected by
a game taking place outside of the stadium it's right
than a game taking place inside.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I wish, I wish we had what's your playing reality tonight?
What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I'm gonna stay here till kickoff?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Okay with you right?
Speaker 4 (25:37):
And I'm gonna go in. Yeah, I'm gonna go in.
I'm staying here until the baseball I'm gonna I'm gonna
go in, and then I'll watch it on my phone. Obviously,
I was at the Husky game watching Game five. That
worked out well. Maybe I'll can be at the Seahawks
game and watch game seven and that'll work out well.
But how is the vibe in the building going to be?
I mean obvious, it's gonna be hotter than hell if
the Mariners are up forty one when the Seahawks game starts.
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But what if they're down four to one? How's it
gonna be.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I think it's gonna be weird number one, and not
weird in a bad way, just weird, right number one.
Number two, I could see a lot of people staying
at sports bars outside the stadium and then making their
way into the stadium after the Mariners win, and then
celebrating in there because Seahawks fans are Mariner fans. I
have never in my life, Jackson and Dick seen a
Monday night football game where tickets are as cheap as
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they are right now. You can get in tonight for
fifty seven bucks. That's preseason numbers, dude, Yeah, fifty seven
dollars to get in the door for a Seahawks game.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I think that the consumer, the consumer is.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Telling you where their priorities are tonight in this sports town,
and it's not on the Seahawks, it's on the Mariners.
Fifty seven bucks to get in the door? Are you
freaking crazy for a Seahawk Monday night game?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So if you're at is not.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
If you're a person that's always wanted to go to
a Seahawk regular season game, snock on a night game
and didn't want to pay two hundred dollars for tickets.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, here's your opportunity. Jump on it.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Up and I can tickets Silva Stadium.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
On bigger discount by the way, at venue kings dot com.
It's fifty seven damn bucks and that's with fees. Everything's included. Now, okay,
we like the Hawks minus the three good Yes, we're
all good Seahawks minus the points. You like in fact,
you hate it. Fiction to four nine, four to five one.
There's a Texan fan at the bar over there. Even
he knows the Texans are getting their ass kicked tonight.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
He knows, he knows. You know what's common. You know
what's common. You know it. We're gotta break more on
tonight's big game. Seven. Hu Millon joins at four at three. Sorry,
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Speaker 2 (27:45):
Another two to two. It's another that sugar the others.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Buck the middle.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So cool stadium tasting.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
God, you just you think about just the number of
mistakes they made in that game yesterday. I know the
au Haino Grand Slam was in there from Game five obviously,
but just it's almost like there was a fungus that
went to the clubhouse right before the game. I mean,
everybody affected by it. And the play with Revos with
the ball off the wall. God, I'm just I'm I'm I'm.
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I'm looking at JP and I'm thinking asking myself, how
do you not get to third on that number one?
If you're three quarters down the line, you got plenty
of time to get back if the ball's caught. Number one,
number two, if that ball carem's off the wall, which
a lot of balls don't care him off that wall
because of the cushion they have there Dick and Toronto
at Rogers Center, they kind of die at the centerfield wall.
But if that ball hits something and finds a way
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to care him off the wall, he may have even
scored it from from first.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Base on that play if he had a big enough lead.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
So so many guys from Cal to JP to Julio
to Aujanio to Revos almost getting picked off again at
first base, which if they overturn that play, I don't
think he would have been shocked if they would have
overturned that play. And I'm wondering. We just had a
buddy of ours from the Mariners come down saal Aeo.
They're doing a watch party across the street a team mobile.
I'm just wondering if what they went through last night
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is gonna win some ways play a positive role tonight,
because it's so fresh, like when your kid has a
bad day at the golf course and he goes right
back out there, learns from his mistakes. A bad day
on the diamond, a bad day on the court, a
bad day on the football field. Maybe last night, in
relation to tonight's game, was the perfect game for that
to happen, perfect time for that to happen. I would
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have rather had it not happen, honestly, But in relation
to tonight and just tonight, I wonder if last night
will be a positive for them this evening.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
The brain dead itis that just affected all of them
last night was baffling, and it really started with that
Julio misplayers absolutely like a gold centerfield center field not
being able to catch a ball off a hop right
in his club, and then Gina with two of them
that the second was tough but I mean it just
you looked at those guys' eyes and then you looked
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at the guys on the on the Blue Jays eyes
and it was just a different level of locked in.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yes, And but we've seen the opposite in this series.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
We've seen the Blue Jays look lost and we've seen
the Mariners locked in. So you're right. I mean, it's
a perfect example you use. I mean, you mentioned Dixon.
He did it this week. He had a terrible turner
on Tuesday, and I was like, hey, I'm glad you're
playing this weekend, and he stepped right back and played
really good this weekend because he was he didn't have
to sit and think about it forever. That's exactly right
for the Mirrors. They don't have to sit and think
about it. They just go back on the field and
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just do your job. Just go and do your They
do their job last night. It's always going to win
when you do your job. But you've got to just
do your job.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's gonna be really hard to stomach this over the
offseason and for a long time if they do one
of these again tonight like they did last night. Right,
I mean, the whole conversation about is this year a success?
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Listen. I think it's gonna be. We can talk about
it later on down the road.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
But if they ended like this and they play again
like they played last night, it's gonna be really hard
to stomach this over the offseason, man, you know, I
mean being up two oho and not finishing it. You
go up two to oh on the road, you're going
back home for three.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You finish that.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
You finish that, and to not be able to do
it is going to be a scar and a heartache
that's gonna sit around for a long time until the
day comes where they heal it.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And who knows.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I mean, that's the thing that sucks about doing this
is that you got to go all the way back
to the beginning and start over again in February. Who
knows where the American League's gonna be next year. We've
been talking about it being wide open. Who knows where
you're pitching staff will be, will they be together, will
they be healthy? Who knows what kind of year Col's
gonna have. Who knows if Naylor's going to return? All
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that stuff. You never know what the future will hold.
I think they're building something that is sustainable for a
while where they could compete for championships in World Series,
but getting there is entirely another. So this is an
opportunity that I don't want to hear anybody saying, well,
we'll get them next year. No, forget it, man, I'm
tired of waiting. The fan base is tired to wait,
and there's only only thing we can do is wait.
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I get that, but man, it feels like it's not now,
We're never, But it's pretty damn close to be in now.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
We're never.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
If they can't get this done with a two games
to none lead going back home, then when the f
is it gonna happen?
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Well, we had one of the greatest collections of offensive
weapons in baseball history from ninety five to two thousand
and one and couldn't do it, and couldn't do it,
that's right. And we got there three We got to
this point three times and couldn't do it, So you're
exactly right. Yeah, I think they're going to be good
for a lot of years in a row. But good
doesn't get you to the World Series. You gotta be
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great to get to the World Series. And they can
be great right now, they've been great for the last
three months. They can be great tonight.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, this is the difference, man, between the NFC Championship,
the Super Bowl, and the baseball playoffs is that it's
just every day. I mean football, the Huskies running a
couple of years ago, the Seahawks running twenty thirteen to fourteen.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You know, we had a couple of weeks to enjoy it,
a week to enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Whatever, and just walking around with their chest cock of
the walk, we're proud, we're hired up. And all the
emotions after Game five that we experienced, and I think
it was more relief than anything else, that hey, we're
one game away. We've never been this far. Everyone's running
around this block party behind me the other night. Win
one more win that can be taken away with the
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snap of a finger. The other side of it is
it can go right back with the snap of a finger.
And I remember our buddy de Graz before the two
thousand and five Carolina NFC Championship game saying, you know
what this fan base deserves. They deserve to kick their ass,
and that's what they did in that game with Carolina.
So how about we kicked our ass tonight and let's
start a celebration like we've never seen. Biggest baseball game
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in this city's history is at five o'clock tonight.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
It's almost overwhelming when you put it like that, that
we're gonna break.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Hugh Mellin's gonna join and then cracking pregame with andrews
Hurst at three point thirty Flyers and the Boys at
four o'clock with Mike Benton right here on ninety three
three KJRFM. All right, joining us right now on the
radio program, our friend mill and Hugh. I've known you
for thirty almost thirty years now, I think twenty eight years,
going back to late nineties ninety nine, and I've never.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Uttered the words on the air.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Mariners win tonight, and they win the American League pennant,
and it's very, very overwhelming in some ways. So before
we talk some football, before we get your thoughts, Hughie
on the Hawks and Texans. You dub Michigan over the
weekend as a long time Seattle, like, give me your
thoughts on this Mariner matchup tonight against the Jays.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Man Well, I certainly am thinking back to year one.
I went to a lot of those games listened to
knee House broadcasting games when I was doing my homework,
so I was in it from the beginning. It would
be something to finally, I can't believe it's been forty
nine years. But look, I don't have a lot to
add to the conversation other than then, guys, Dave, you
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and I talked earlier. I think that I compare this
to football, and then I'll pull it back to baseball.
And football, you play once a week. You you prepare
all week, and when you drive to that stadium, which
oftentimes you know it's a police escort to the stadium
every if, it feels big because you're only playing once
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a week, right and and and there's there's magnitude, and
of course the NFL playoffs you have higher magnitude. But
every single playoff game you play in the NFL obviously
is winner Advanced, loser go home. They're all seventh games.
And so an NFL athlete is kind of used to playing.
When I when I play a game, it's got a
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lot of importance. Now let's switch to baseball. Baseball, these guys,
they amass all their stats, all of their most a
lot of times, their reputation, their money, uh, based on
on playing a long set and a long series of
inconsequential games one sixty two. If I go for to
oh for four today, does it really matter if I
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have an error today? Does it really matter if I
can't scoop up? You know, if I charge the third
baseline and I can't make the bare handed, does it
really matter? And so now even when a baseball player,
obviously there's a big rampupp you get in the playoffs,
but most playoff games, I would get guess eighty percent
of games are not you know, like like fifth game
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of a five or seventh game of a seventh. So
even when playoff baseball, there's usually a tomorrow, or at
least for one team there's a tomorrow. So these guys tonight,
here's my point. These guys tonight are playing under stakes
and a weight in a magnitude that they are not
usually playing. Baseball has of all the team sports, there's
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the biggest gap between the weight of what you usually
do and what you have in a game like tonight.
And so it's just like, I'm just fascinating to see
who can handle that pressure. And for example, how many
if there was an all knowing computer that could tell
you the exact percentages of how often Julio would bubble
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a ball like that in center field and turn a
single into double because he bought I mean a simple
right at the eyeball's cap, like I don't know what's
in his head. Maybe he was relaxed as hell, like
it's a May game, maybe it's a team it was
a March preseason game.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
But when you.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
Bobble a ball like that, you invite the question like
are you feeling the pressure? Because I would submit he
could do that play two hundred times in a regular season,
three hundred times before he'd have an error in the manner.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
That he did.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
So it just real simple. These baseball players are not
used to this weight, but they better be able to
operate in Hugh.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Talk about what you think the vibe in the stadium
will be like tonight for the Hawks and for those
Hawks players obviously they know what's going on around them,
But how weird is it gonna be? And was so
bizarre at Husky Stadium a couple of weeks ago, I mean,
ye had you know, by the middle of the second quarter,
at half the fans in the concourse not even watching
the football game, So like, how do you think the
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vibe will be and how do you think it'll affect
the Hawks either positively or negatively tonight.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
Yeah, I mean it's a little off. And we know
that the Seahawks of late, the numbers are what the
numbers are. They've only won for the last twelve games
at home. That right, you know, hard stop and so
that's got to change. But I think that I don't
know that Mike McDonald would address that, but I think
that at some point you just have to say, hey,
you're a professional, whether or not the Texans have, you know,
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twenty thousand fans, which I obviously don't expect, but but
you'd pick any extreme whatever environment you're thrust it in.
It might start raining, it might start snowing. Like you
have to as an athlete be able to to just say, hey,
there's things beyond my control. They're never excuses because nobody
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is going to, you know, give you an extra win
or advance you in the playoffs or anything by any
of your excuses. As Don James said, don't tell me
about the pain, show me the baity. And so if
you know that that that goes for tonight with the
maryors it goes for the Seahawks tonight in whatever environment
they have to plan.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Did DJ really say that to you or did you
make that up in your head? Now he said it.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
He said it, And Gary Pinkell repeated on a frequent
basis the offenseive coordinator in my quarterback coach so so,
and he would always quote coach James. Yeah, you know what,
Coach James says, don't tell me about the pain, show
me the baby. I know that it's it sounds a
little crass, but you know what when you got a
nineteen year old who's trying to learn about how to
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process a lot of different stimulis both as an athlete.
And then why do why do colleges even get into
the business of intercollegiate athletics? Because there was a time
was thought and they all it was all back in
the Ivy League days. The Premiere Academic Institution said, there's
a lesson to be learned for our young students to
participate in intercollegiate athlete athletics, right, and and there's there's
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lessons you learned that you don't learn in any other classroom,
and stuff like accountability and the ability to say no excuses. Yes,
you get a job done, period into story. I think
those are great lessons. All right, let's language is crass.
Let's talk about tonight's game. If we can seek in
some dogs Michigan conversation. We all got about ten minutes
left here here.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
But I'm looking at a Texan football team that is,
you know, the record says they're two and three, but
their defense gave up fourteen to the Rams, twenty to
a good Tampa team, seventeen to Jacksonville, and then shut
out Tennessee and held the Ravens to ten. Is this
a really good defensive football team that happens to have
a terrible offense? What are we talking about here?
Speaker 7 (40:36):
It's a really good defensive team. And they you know,
they're number one. They're a touchdown less than the Seahawks.
In fact, more than a twelve point two to nineteen
point five right in terms of points allowed.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
So you could just stop right there.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
But they're they're they're in the top five in yards,
they're thirty yards fourth and first downs allowed. Look, they're
a zone team that does a lot of zone pressures.
They bring five guys, five rushers at the quarterback, the
fifth most in the NFL. But yet their man demand
usage is twentieth and Cover one that's with a free safety,
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twenty ninth in cover zero that's man and man with
no free safety. So so they're they're trying to play
in a way a lot of ways like Mike McDonald like,
try and and simulate pressures, get you to be a
little bit hesitant, and then play zone behind it so
that your coverage has a little bit more of a
stop gap in terms of preventing the big play. So
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that's what they've done. The numbers. Look, you gotta go
and Demico Ryans a hell of a coach that you know.
He inherited a three and thirteen team his first year,
they went ten and seven. Now they got CJ. Stroud
with the second overall pick, they got Will Anderson with
the third. Remember they traded up to and they got
the second and third pick of the draft that year,
and they've gone ten and seven back to back.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
There.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
Yes, they're only two and three, Dave, but in the
in the in the wild card hunt, Colts obviously he's
six and one ahead of that division.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
But in the wild card.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Hunt there's only one team.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
I'm excluding the division leaders there's only one team that
has a better record in the lost call than them,
that's the Bills. So they are in a four way
tie with three losses for the second and third wildcard team.
They absolutely believe they're a playoff team. They've been on
PLAFF team in the last two years, and so you
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know they're going to come in rested with the buy
and on the feeling right in a two game winning
streak that they're just starting to get things humming.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Well here, I can guarantee you tonight we're going to
be talking about those edge rushers you mentioned, Will Anderson
and then daneil Hunter against the Hawks. Tackles and the
tackles right now, according to PFF, are graded eleventh and
twenty second out of seventy six qualified tackles. Do you
buy those eleventh per Cross? Twenty second for Abe Lucas does?
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Does that kind of check out with you based upon
what your eyes have told you about these guys?
Speaker 7 (43:00):
All right, let me start on the left side. In
my opinion, when I hear these things Charles Cross, in
the past, I've said I don't really buy those numbers
because he's winning, but he's winning too deep into the
pocket he's in the lap of Geno Smith, and so
even though his man didn't touch Geno Smith, he got
walked back too much into the pocket. I think Charles
Cross is playing his best football right now. On the
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other side, it's the opposite. I think, Abe Lucas, While
you say, what was twenty second grated, I think that
they have tried to protect him.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
They've chipped with him more.
Speaker 7 (43:34):
I think in one on one situations, I think he's
lost too many pivotal beginning with the first game in
the forty nine ers and Bosa. Obviously that was a
game wrecking play, but I think Lucas concerns me he's
more likely to be against will Anderson. And then you know,
for Daniel Hunter on the other side, you know, I
always look at the opponents their salary cap, like who
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do they think is their best player? Well, number one
on their salary cap is daneil Hunter at twenty point
two million, which is like the Seahawks highest guy is
I think under sixteen million. And so I looked at
I said, well, what does that rank on edge players? Well,
it's behind only Micah Parson, TJ. Watt and Miles Garrett.
He's the fourth guy, Daneil Hunter. Now you probably hurt
more Hurd of Will Anderson because of his you know,
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college status and number three overall pick. But they got
some dudes up front in their defensive tackles are are
are playing really solid as well.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
That front four is legit.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I think about Daniel Hunter. I think about his days
in Minnesota, and I just looked it up. He's almost
thirty one years old. He's thirty one years old nine
days for God's sakes, and he's still kicking ass in
the NFL. So you know, look, I mean I said
this to Dick Hugh a couple of days ago that look, man,
I mean, with this defense and McDonald's scheme and the
way Darnold's you know, spinning the football, they can just
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find a way to get some consistency with their run game.
Look out right, for this football team, how much confidence
do you have that they will find some consistency with
their run game? And do you think there's any chance
they'll fight it tonight?
Speaker 7 (45:02):
I don't have confidence because I'm sick and tired of
talking about it and and trying to feign confidence, which
I really haven't done. I just I think, you know,
the evidence keeps stacking up that they just don't run
the ball. Well, I do think K nine should be
featured more. But but you know, this is as we said,
the front four, the tim Settle, the defensive tackle, Sheldon Rankings,
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and they got a hell of a middle linebacker and
as Ziz al Shah here. Every time I watch him play,
I think that guy's like a you know, a poor
man's Fred Warner. So so I think they've got some
pieces and I I am. I am not riding on
the running game turning it around as a vital component
to win tonight, because then I'm not crazy about the
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chances of winning.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Hugh. If you get Lovi and Witherspoon both back, what
does that do to how you can use nicky men Warrey.
Speaker 7 (45:56):
That's a great question. I think what what it means.
I think you're gonna have Emon Worry as your nickel.
You can play more dime. So if you just want
to have one, you know Ernest Jones in there, and
so you can have that your overhang defenders be a
dB on either side. You could have Spoon on one side,
you could have Emon Worry on the other side. You
can have you can put Witherspoon at corner and you
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can have Emon worry b the nickel and and I
did not like his you know, he's basically played two games.
I thought his first game against Tampa and you know,
he was out of position too much. I think he
had a big vault in terms of his assignment soundness.
Uh if that if that's a term we can discuss
last week. So I thought big vault that you can
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just see the athleticism. You know, he's a tall, big
rangy guys just with beautiful movement movements. So so this
this has the potential to be a really impact player.
We have not seen them together.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (46:50):
The guy that they better keep an eye on his
Nico Collins. Thirty six attempts the wide receiver Nico Collins,
more than double the next closest, Christian Kirk, who's out
tonight at sixteen. So that you've got in CJ. Stroud,
he wants to get to Nico Collins. They got a hundred.
He's got one hundred and seventeen passer rating when he
throws the Nico Collins, so you better know where he
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is whoever's in that secondary. But yeah, I think Mike
McDonald's kind of licking his chops to be able.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
To use some of these tools.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Hey here, we got like two minutes left, all right,
But I did want to get a quick take from
you on what the hell happened to you dub in
the second half? Seven to seven at half time, and
then they shot themselves in the foot, the ankle, the hip,
the shoulder, every body part you can imagine. Demon William
is just total meltdown offensively, pick, pick, sack, fumble, turnover
on downs, pick, what the hell happened?
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (47:41):
Well, first of all, the inability to run the ball
is somewhat, you know, consistent with what we've talked about
with this with the Seahawks, and so that puts a
little bit of a burden on the passing game. But
both of those first two interceptions, the pivotal interceptions, were
on first and tent and in this DNA age, when
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you go forward on fourth down, it really hurts to
throw an interception on first and ten. The first one
that was essentially a pick pick six, that was just
slant flat. I was running that in middle school football.
I'm not even kidding. Like, if you can't call slant flat,
you got to just read off the will linebacker. If
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you can't see him or aware you can't, you can't operate.
And then the second one was why stick that shit
that the Wolverines had a good five under two deep
zone defense, so you can glove that concept up.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Why stick?
Speaker 7 (48:38):
And there was clearly signs of not coaching enough on
what you want.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
With the tight end.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
Do you want to hook it up on why stick?
Or do you want to keep on the move away
for the middle linebacker because quarterback and the tight end
uh work. But in the bigger picture, Demon Williams was
given that time a year ago you had Jetfish came
back on the November eleventh of last year. He said,
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he said, hey, we got demand this experience. This is
going to help him and he mentioned a slant route
in front of one hundred and seven thousand. Well, fast
forward a year he threw a slant route in front
of one hundred and seven thousand and was basically a
pick six. So Demon Williams was given all that grooming
for a game like Saturday. He has yet to really
produce a signature win. And don't tell me it's the
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Bowl game from last year. I'll go get into that
game either.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Well, first of all, I would just add this Demon
hasn't done it. Neither was Jetfish. I mean, those guys
are kind of tired of the hip. You know, neither
one has had that signature win. All right, here we
got to run. You're doing postgame with Dick tonight after
the game around ten.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
What a night, Seattle, enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Let's do it, all right. We got about a minute
left and I'll just say this, you guys can chime in.
Whatever happens tonight with the Mariners sound corny as hell.
Corny as hell. I want to be proud of my
baseball team tonight. I was not proud of them last night,
with the way they played in Toronto. I want to
be proud. You lose the game, you lose the game,
but you go down freaking swinging in this game tonight.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
That's all I want. And if they do that, they're
going to have a shot.
I kind of wish that some of these games were
spread out. To be honest with you, man, I mean,
if the Seahawks in the NFL just say, you know what,
We'll do you a favor and we'll play this.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Game tomorrow, fine by me, no problem at all.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Cracking could have played this game at eleven o'clock in
the morning, and that would have been great, because I
just don't know how we can justify honestly, and I
guess it just becomes what are you a bigger fan of?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
When it's all said and done.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Maybe I can't justify thinking about focusing on worrying about
anything besides Game seven. You know, I saw a guy
tweeting today that he would He says like something like,
you know, I know I'm gonna lose followers for this,
but I would take a Seahawk loss.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Or are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I take a Hawk loss every freaking day till Thanksgiving
to win a game tonight and go to the World Series.
And I guess we have to just decide real quick
here because we have a short show with a Crack
in pregame of three thirty face off a four o'clock
from Philadelphia. How much are we gonna sit and wallow
in what happened yesterday versus prepare ourselves for tonight at
five o'clock. And I would say, real quick, if this
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team plays the way they played last night tonight, they're done.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Forget about it.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's over. There will be no World Series. The Blue
Jays will win the American League, the Mariners will piss
away a two to zero lead, and we will be
absolutely heartbroken and crushed. And this is exactly the only
thing that I'm talking about. I think it was after
Game three when they got hammered, right, thirteen to four?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Is that correct? Game three was thirteen to four.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I don't want to go to bed tonight and lump
this game in this evening Dick with the eighty four
excuse me, eighty three AFC Championship game or the ninety
three Western Conference Finals game or the UUW Michigan game
for the National Championship, where my team in the end
either A didn't show up from the start or B
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eventually got run out of the building.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
They lose, they lose. We lose.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We go down swinging, We go down swinging. But the
metal mistakes the heirs Julio A. Uhanio cal Riley, Leo Revas,
JP Crawford, all of that in yesterday's game. If you
want to give us that kind of of an effort
to night, then you just tell me that right now,
And I just won't why.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I'll go, I'll go walk right in that stadium.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I'll get in there for the pregame show, and I'll
be a part of everything happening at Luminfield. But if
you want to fight for a world series, and you
want to fight to realize a dream that we've been
dreaming in this town for a half a century, that
I will invest every emotional bone in my body to
watch those boys do everything they can to.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Deliver that dream tonight. End the story period.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I've heard a lot of people, and I think on
the surface, you can agree that they say, well, it's
just too big for him, The moment was too big
for them last night.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But then I was like, it looks like it they did.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
They did, They absolutely did to not show up, almost
to a man, and the biggest game in your lives
was just simply ex inexcusable last night. But then I
think we'll wait a second. We're we're a week removed,
a week and a half removed from them stepping up
and winning in fifteen innings in the biggest game of
their lives at that point, so we know they have
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it in them. So why were that Why was that
not able to take place last night? Sure, I have
no idea. I think the thing that worries me more.
I think the thing that worries me more. And the
real reason that I'm kind of filled with dread now
whereas I was filled with hope and optimism twenty four
hours ago going into that game, is that we have
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been completely outplayed for four consecutive games, with a one
inning exception, and that's the eighth inning on Friday. That's
what worries me the most. It has been twenty eight
to nine Blue Jays in those four games, other than
that big inning that the Mariners had in the eighth.
That's what probably worries me the most.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Of them.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, I got them in the three games that Toronto
has won, They've but ou scored twenty seven to eight.
And then, like you talked about, just the eighth inning
right of game number five, and going back to what
you were saying about, you know, why was the pressure
there a night ago, or why was it there last night,
But why didn't we see it in the other game.
We may have seen it, it just didn't manifest itself
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because they were playing a weaker ball club and the
Tigers could be number one, number two. I also think
when you get this close to a World Series for
the first time ever as a franchise, I mean, look, Dick,
there's no team in baseball, no dugout, no clubhouse, no
twenty six, twenty seven man roster in baseball that has
heard more either directly or indirectly from the media and
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the fan base. Your team has never been to a
WORL World Series ever than these guys. They're human, that's all.
They've got to be able to feel some of that.
That's got to weigh on them a little bit. And
they can talk all they want about, Hey, we're taking
it day by day. We'll do everything we do well.
You didn't play alike it because last night was the
first game all year. You had three airs. I mean
that played by Julio in centerfield that stretches a single
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into a double. You should have been out of it.
With a double play that Aohaneo couldn't handle. JP's just horrific.
Base running mistake on that ball off the wall by
Leo Revos. He almost gets picked off on a ball that.
I mean, dude, there's a guy on second.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
What's your hurry? I mean, just not even focused at all.
So it is really hard for me to dick. You
may be right, and it's really hard to know. Obviously
nobody will ever know, but it's very difficult for me
to just dismiss that, at least last night, and we'll
see what happens tonight that at least last night, these
guys were not feeling the pressure a little bit of
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having to win this thing to get to the World Series.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And now it's gonna be a freaking zoo.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I mean, guys, everything we talked about after coming home
up to oh how many times did we say we
want nothing to do with Game seven?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Well here we are. We want nothing to do with
Game seven. You got no choice.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You got to deal with Game seven in an absolute
circus environment in Toronto. And I look, I Millan may
put this in different terms when he comes on. Brett
Boone may put this in different terms when he comes
on next segment. This to me is gonna be about
who's got a bigger nutsack. That's right, that's period, end
of story. Who's got bigger balls? Who will be able
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to focus and deliver a clutch moment for their franchise
Because somebody's gonna do that. There's gonna be a hero
either way, whether you like it or not, there's gonna
be a hero.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And that hero may come.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
If the Blue Jays kick our ass, that hero may
be Vladimir Guerrero with a game busting grand Slam in
the fifth inning. If the Mariners kick their ass, it
might be Julio with an inside the park home run
that makes for the nine to three game in the
sixth inning.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Who knows somebody is getting a hero tonight.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I think ninety nine percent of all the days between
Day one of the season and now we would have
signed up for Game seven of the ALCS right on
the road. I think the only time we wouldn't of
is when we were up one h or two to
zero in this series. I think that's the only time
in this whole season that we wouldn't have signed up
for this opportunity right now. Who's gonna step up? Is
it gonna be George Kirby? Well, interestingly enough, George Kirby
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has pitched in each of the last three potential games
series or series clinching names, and he has a point
six nine ERA. He has gone thirteen innings good. And
we're talking about the Toronto game when he came in relief.
We're talking about the Houston eighteen inning game, and we're
talking about the fifteen inning game in Detroit. He pitched
in all three of those games. He allowed one earned
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run in thirteen innings of baseball. We need that. George
Kirby tonight.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well, I was looking at I look, I am getting
kind of tired of all these stats numbers. We could
stat ourselves to death, number ourselves to death about.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Why we feel bad, why we feel good.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I'm kind of with you that I am just a
I'm a negative bastard, scared out of my freaking mind.
Debbie Downer right now. I mean, I don't want to
talk to anybody. I don't want to look at anybody.
I don't want to laugh with anybody. I went to
the office today and people were like, oh, you're ready,
it's a shut up, leave me alone. I just don't
want to talk to anybody. People get through these things
certain ways, and get it. I get through it being miserable. Okay,
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But I saw our buddy Sarah Langs on Twitter last night.
When there's a winner take all game, either in a
game game five or bet or a best of seven series,
the winner at home is sixty eight the game the
home team, sorry, Dick, is sixty eight and sixty seven.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Best of seven, the home team is thirty and twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Wow, it just fifty to fifty is the epitome of
a pick'm that's interesting tonight. It is a toss up
in Toronto. Put your best foot forward. That's all we ask.
You go down swinging, you go down swinging, but you
put your best foot forward tonight, guys, that's all we're
freaking asking for. Man two thirteen Brett Boone's gonna enjoy
Next on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
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Speaker 4 (08:50):
There's just the only change.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
And you know, looking at you know how he has
swung the bat and I think more or less the
energy he brings to our club and the energy he
brings to the lineup, and you know some of the
things he can do on the basis and whatnot. So
a chance to get him in there today and and uh,
you know again, make a little bit of adjustment, changings
up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
All right, Victor Roblast Stan Wilson. They're talking about the
lineup changes. Horri Polanko and uh, Horiy Polanco and Josh
Naylor excuse me, switching spots in the lineup tonight as well.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
So a little bit of a different look.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Julio back in the leadoff spot though tonight for the
biggest game in Mariner baseball history. And here he is
joining us on the radio show after a brief hiatus.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
We may not get a chance to get this guy
back anytime soon because he is spoken for, but he
got a hall pass from his boss, the Rangers hitting coach,
our friend Brett Boone and joining us right now on
the radio program, Booty, how are you, man?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Hice? Softy is Dick there too? Hey, how are you hey? Dick? Well,
haven't I haven't talked to you guys for a while.
Softy occasionally yell yells at me through a text. But
other than that, I haven't heard from you guys in
a while.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well I appreciate you. Yeah, Now let me yell I
get through the text.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, let's talk about it, man, talk about the emotion, momentum,
things like that. In baseball. We talk about it a
lot in football. We talk about a lot in basketball.
Game of runs in basketball? How much does momentum, the
energy of the crowd come back by the Blue Jays,
the ass kicking last night by Toronto, mental mistakes by Seattle, whatever,
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how much does all that play a role?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
You're thinking tonight's game seven, I.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Don't think any. I mean, Tonight's gonna be its separate entity.
I think you know you're looking at a curb George Kirby,
who's been just great and money in big situation. When
he's got his good stuff, he is tough, you know,
talking to my hitters in Texas like, when Kirby's got
his stuff, he's no fun to face. However, last time
Toronto got to him. It's probably the only blip on
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the radar for him in a while. But I think
he gave up eight runs against Toronto last time, So
if he can get that out of his mind. Taking
the Mount tonight. Are in pretty good hands with the
George Kirby. You got Bieber coming off of Tommy John surgery.
He's pitch pretty good since he's been back. He's always
going to be tough. But here's the two things I
look at, you know, down the stretch in September, coming
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through with the Texas Rangers and watching this team. There's
something special. It's almost early two thousands in Seattle when
we were playing there on that great run, Just the
city had a special electricity about it. You couldn't explain
it to anybody. Just walk around. When I left Toronto
in September after a three game series and they beat
us two out of three, I felt that type of electricity,
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like the whole city was just engulfed in this Toronto
Blue Jays. So those guys that are playing in Toronto
right now, they're going through a pretty special time. You know,
I know what that feels like, and it's pretty awesome.
You want to bottle it because it doesn't last forever.
And they're a really good team and they're explosive. They
put the ball play, they don't strike out, and that's
been the key to a lot of their success going
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into this postseason. What surprised me the most, or into
this particular series, as the Mariners go up there, play
two games in Toronto and whoop them.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Toronto's probably been one of the toughest teams, especially the
second half, to beat at home. So Seattle goes up
there and gives them a beating two games. I just
think Seattle's gonna run away and hide from this series.
But Toronto comes to Seattle and the Mobile Park and
beats them two out of three there to force a
game six. All of a sudden, it's locked up at
threes and it's all hands on deck tonight. Just for
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the record, after going through the season this year and
all the American League teams, I thought, and this was honest,
I have you know. It's not the bias.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
It's not because I.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Played there for a long time. I thought Seattle Mariners,
especially after the trade deadline, picking up Suarez and adding
Naylor to the to the repertoire, I thought they were
the best team in baseball. With that, with a quality
pitcher going to the post every night, from Kirby to
Gilbert to Miller to Woo to Castillo and then one
two punch with Brash and Muno's at the end. The
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pitching was as tough as a guy on a nightly basis.
You were never gonna have an easy, easy night with
that staff and so many weapons, you know, from Julio
to to a Rose Arena to Naylor to Suarez hitting
fifty home runs, and then you get to Raleigh, who
had that historic season behind the plate. They've just got
more weapons to take you deep than I think any
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team in the American League. So I thought they were
the best team, but as everybody knows, the best team
doesn't always win. It's gonna be really interesting tonight and
three three, two great ball clubs going at it all
hands on deck. You know, Gosman's gonna be available. You
probably everybody in the Seattle rotation, maybe with the exception
of Gilbert, is gonna be available tonight. So I'll be
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watching it should be it should be a lot of fun,
maybe fun if it doesn't go your way. I don't
think Softie's gonna have fun.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
No, no, no, I about having fun? Now, are you
kidding me?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Booney? Try to explain the stat that SOFTI just threw
out in the last segment where basically in all deciding
games of five games and seven game series, it's essentially
fifty to fifty whether the home team wins or not.
The home field advantage has been non existent in baseball
deciding games. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I don't know, level of emotion, I mean so much
and this series, you know, after what I went through
with Seattle taking Toronto in Toronto, Toronto taking care of
business with Seattle in Seattle makes no sense. That makes
no sense to me. But that's why this game is
so great. You just never know what's going to happen.
So I think tonight it wouldn't matter where you were playing.
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It's just it's almost like a neutral site because of
the just because of the level of you know how
important this game is. Not only do the Toronto Blue
Jays haven't been to a World Series in a long time,
especially the Seattle Mariners in their organization, who this would
be their first berth ever in the World's which would
be a cool thing. So I just don't think the
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venue really matters tonight in a game of this much importance.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Well, you mentioned Kirby Boonie. Game three, four innings, eight runs,
all earn three bombs, a couple of walks. I mean
just awful, right, I mean, nobody would ever deny that,
neither would he. So tell me about how quick a
hook Dan Wilson needs to have with George Kirby.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Tonight.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
You mentioned it, Brian Woo's available, Bryce Miller has said
he'll pitch Castillo everybody. I mean again probably everybody except
for Logan Gilbert all.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Hands on deck.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So because of that, how big of a hook do
you need to have with George Kirby before you say
enough is enough?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Well, I think because of the quality you have in
that Seattle Mariners rotation and the names you just mentioned
that are available, Wu, Castillo, Miller, Miller's been unbelievable. So
with having those guys available tonight, I think it's gonna
be a real quick hook if that's necessarily Dan, and
Dan sees that.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
The one thing by by spending this last five months
with Bruce Bochi that that we talked about on occasion
was managing in the regular season versus managing in the postseason.
He said, his first World Series he ever went to
is with I believe the San Diego Padres, and he
said he managed just like it was a regular season series.
He said he learned from that, and then the World
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Series he won, He said, I managed with absolute I
had to. I had to just micro manage everything, and
everything was the end of the end of the world
if I don't make a move, so he said, Managing
in the postseason is definitely different than managing in the
regular season. So I say, tonight, especially with the quality
of arms Dan's got at his fingertips tonight, I think
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if he sees the first sign of trouble, he's going
to go to another one of those guys in that rotation.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
How do you explain last night? I mean, that was
the most listless, worst defensive performance of the entire season,
in the biggest game of their lives. How do you
explain that?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Right, Well, it happens, you know, it happens. That's baseball,
and teams like Toronto who constantly put pressure and I
don't know what the statistics are, haven't been keeping up
with that type of stuff lately, but I know they
put the ball in play, and I know they strike
out less than most teams in baseball, and there's no
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rhyme or reasons. Sometimes mistake one mistakes leads to another mistake,
leads to another mistake. But the one thing is Toronto
Blue Jays team's done and following them just recently from
September through the playoffs, when they get on a roll,
they just they just keep the pedal to the medal.
And I've seen them just make a mockery of games
and teams. One inning and it's all of a sudden,
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it's five to one before you know what hitches. So
this Toronto team's tough. Like I said, there's something special
going on in Toronto, But in my opinion, they're playing
the best team in the American League. That's Seattle America.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, well, let's talk about the matchup with Beamer tonight.
I mean, it's a guy who coming off Tommy John
acquired by the Blue Jays of the deadline shove it
up our button. One game already in this series, you know,
so we've seen him once, but to get to him tonight,
what would be a key or two that you would
want to share with Julio or Rosarina cal Polako and
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others about facing this guy.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, you know, these guys have a little bit of
a history. Some of the players that have been around
for three, four or five years, They've had a little
bit of a history each. Each each approach is going
to be kind of formed on your history with that individual.
So if a Rose Arena has a different history against
Bieber when he was with the Cleveland Indy or the
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Cleveland Guardians, then Julio has or cal Rawley has. It's
it's breaking it down to I don't necessarily think there's
gonna be a team approach of this or that. It's
what if I beat Bieber with? What has he beat
me with?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Get it?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Get an approach individually, Go with that approach and take it.
But the thing is with these pitchers, these caliber of pitchers,
if they've got their good stuff, I don't care what
kind of approach you have. It's it's it's a coin toss.
If you if you put a if you put a
good swing on a pitch, they're that good.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Beaver is that good.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I know he's been out for a year, but he's
a legit number one on ninety percent of the big
league teams out there, So he's he's a he's a
formidable foe. That being said, I think they have more
backup in Seattle tonight with with that rotation and the
people available, I think they do have a Gosman available
in Toronto who's been he's kind of pitched into some
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tough luck. He's pitched really well and had a couple
tough losses, not losses for him, but his team has
lost when he's pitched really well. I think the backup
that Seattle has that goes advantage Seattle versus the Toronto.
But I think the approach is going to be good.
Get a good pitch to hit and let it hack.
It's it's one game to leave it all on the table.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Well, Julio got moved to leadoffs, body's back there again today.
I mean, do you talk to Julio as a heading coach?
Do you tell them, Okay, you're in the leadoff spot
now you can't just be swinging at first pitches all
the time. Or do you just let Julio be Julio.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Well, it depends on the individual and the relationship you
have with the individual. In Texas, what we do is,
you know, there's certain guys that come to be before
the game. We go over there, not necessarily go over
the video. They watch the video on their own. I
have a question for him. What's our approach tonight? What
are we looking for? What are we trying to do?
And I could be talking to Marcus Simeon and saying
one thing, why at Langford saying something else, or an
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Evan Carter have a completely different discussion with So it
all depends on the individual. It's kind of a tailored
and a very personal thing. Everybody's different and you got
to know what their skill set is, how they how
they approach when they get in the box, and you
have to tailor that that particular game plan for the individual.
So I don't know, Julio, Well maybe it'd be a
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thing or all right, Julio, we watched the video. What
did he do to you last time? What was he
successful with? What do you think he's gonna come at
you with tonight? And let's stick with that game plan
and not waiver. There's more time than that. If you
stick with your game plan over the long haul, you're
gonna be successful.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Well, boony, listen man, great stuff. We appreciate this as
always always good to have your two cents on this, sucker,
But what do you think happens tonight? Honestly, what's your gut?
It's hard to make predictions. You said it was a
coin flip, and I agree with that honestly. Yeah, you're
picking somebody. Never mind the fact that you're on Seattle Radio.
You just tell us your gut what happens to.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
That, right, obviously, because of my time there, and you know,
that's kind of my team. You know, when people talk
to me about what team am I affiliated with, of
course it's the Seattle Mariners. From a player's perspective, I'm
just gonna go back to what I've said for two
months now. I think, at the end of the day,
the personnel the roster of the Seattle Mariners was the
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best team when the smoke settled and the season was over.
If I had to pick one team in the American League,
I thought the Seattle Mariners, top to bottom pitching to
relief to the personnel on the field, I thought they
were the best team in the American League. So I'll
stick with the Marriors in this point flip of a game,
just because I think they're the best team and they
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have the most weapons.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I love it all, right, man, good stuff, Good luck
with the Rangers. We'll talk soon, buddy.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Nice guys.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
You know there's this other thing going around, which I
don't really care about because if the Mariners get swept
in three games and a seven game World Series, I
would take that right now against the Dodgers to win
this game tonight. But our friend Sarah Langs, who was
a great follow on Twitter, seasons where one LCS was
a sweep and the other went seven games, right, So
the Dodgers swept the Brewers, and the Mariners and Blue
Jays are in seven best of seven since the LCS
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went the best of seven since eighty five, that's happened
five different times where one was a sweep and one
went seven. The other four prior times that happened, the
team that won the seven game LCS.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Won the World Series.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Now, maybe it's different now with the Dodgers in their
pay Ronald TODDI I get that, But this idea that
whoever wins this game tonight just gets steamrolled by LA
I don't buy that.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Well, no buy that, especially when your strength is the
depth in your starting rotation. Yes, I think that. I
think it really factors more if you've got one or
two great starters and that's all you have and you
have to start your fifth guy or your fourth guy.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
In game one, then you're gonna lose game Well, like
you just said, they're real quick, and then we have
factor fiction here in a second.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
But if the strength is the depth in your rotation,
then let's see it tonight. Right.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
You don't come this far talking about how great year
road because the rotation, let's face it, outside of Bryce
Miller in this series, has been crap. They have failed
them at the exact Dunn a long time of the year.
So the odds say, don't they that they gotta get
somebody to step up, somebody besides Bryce Miller of the
Big three, which is Kirby, Gilbert and Castillo.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Brian Woo's banged up, so I'm not including him.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
But if those three, all we need is one of
them to step up one time tonight and you could
pull this thing off.
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Speaker 1 (24:20):
And I'm laughing a little bit because how many times
have you and I sat here at Jimmy's and asked ourselves, Gee,
what's gonna happen if there's a Seahawk.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
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I'm looking at a Seahawk football team that, just like
the Mariners Dick dying for a win, the Seahawks are
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dying for a win at home.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
They're four and eight.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Eventually, you gotta play the odds that that's going to
turn around under Mike McDonald. Eventually they're going to put
a game together at home on prime time against what
I think is a lesser football team, with a lesser
coaching staff, with a lesser offensive line, and the most
important part, a lesser quarterback right now than Sam Darnold.
I think the Hawks may roll, like actually roll tonight
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in this game. I would not be surprised if they
won this game by fourteen, seventeen points or more. I
like the Hawks minus the three tonight in factor fiction.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
There's never been a time in Seattle sports history where
a stadium's vibe is going to be more affected by
a game taking place outside of the stadium it's right
than a game taking place inside.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I wish, I wish we had what's your playing reality tonight?
What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I'm gonna stay here till kickoff?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Okay with you right?
Speaker 4 (25:37):
And I'm gonna go in. Yeah, I'm gonna go in.
I'm staying here until the baseball I'm gonna I'm gonna
go in, and then I'll watch it on my phone. Obviously,
I was at the Husky game watching Game five. That
worked out well. Maybe I'll can be at the Seahawks
game and watch game seven and that'll work out well.
But how is the vibe in the building going to be?
I mean obvious, it's gonna be hotter than hell if
the Mariners are up forty one when the Seahawks game starts.
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But what if they're down four to one? How's it
gonna be.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I think it's gonna be weird number one, and not
weird in a bad way, just weird, right number one.
Number two, I could see a lot of people staying
at sports bars outside the stadium and then making their
way into the stadium after the Mariners win, and then
celebrating in there because Seahawks fans are Mariner fans. I
have never in my life, Jackson and Dick seen a
Monday night football game where tickets are as cheap as
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they are right now. You can get in tonight for
fifty seven bucks. That's preseason numbers, dude, Yeah, fifty seven
dollars to get in the door for a Seahawks game.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I think that the consumer, the consumer is.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Telling you where their priorities are tonight in this sports town,
and it's not on the Seahawks, it's on the Mariners.
Fifty seven bucks to get in the door? Are you
freaking crazy for a Seahawk Monday night game?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So if you're at is not.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
If you're a person that's always wanted to go to
a Seahawk regular season game, snock on a night game
and didn't want to pay two hundred dollars for tickets.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, here's your opportunity. Jump on it.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Up and I can tickets Silva Stadium.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
On bigger discount by the way, at venue kings dot com.
It's fifty seven damn bucks and that's with fees. Everything's included. Now, okay,
we like the Hawks minus the three good Yes, we're
all good Seahawks minus the points. You like in fact,
you hate it. Fiction to four nine, four to five one.
There's a Texan fan at the bar over there. Even
he knows the Texans are getting their ass kicked tonight.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
He knows, he knows. You know what's common. You know
what's common. You know it. We're gotta break more on
tonight's big game. Seven. Hu Millon joins at four at three. Sorry,
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Speaker 2 (27:45):
Another two to two. It's another that sugar the others.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Buck the middle.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So cool stadium tasting.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
God, you just you think about just the number of
mistakes they made in that game yesterday. I know the
au Haino Grand Slam was in there from Game five obviously,
but just it's almost like there was a fungus that
went to the clubhouse right before the game. I mean,
everybody affected by it. And the play with Revos with
the ball off the wall. God, I'm just I'm I'm I'm.
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I'm looking at JP and I'm thinking asking myself, how
do you not get to third on that number one?
If you're three quarters down the line, you got plenty
of time to get back if the ball's caught. Number one,
number two, if that ball carem's off the wall, which
a lot of balls don't care him off that wall
because of the cushion they have there Dick and Toronto
at Rogers Center, they kind of die at the centerfield wall.
But if that ball hits something and finds a way
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to care him off the wall, he may have even
scored it from from first.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Base on that play if he had a big enough lead.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
So so many guys from Cal to JP to Julio
to Aujanio to Revos almost getting picked off again at
first base, which if they overturn that play, I don't
think he would have been shocked if they would have
overturned that play. And I'm wondering. We just had a
buddy of ours from the Mariners come down saal Aeo.
They're doing a watch party across the street a team mobile.
I'm just wondering if what they went through last night
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is gonna win some ways play a positive role tonight,
because it's so fresh, like when your kid has a
bad day at the golf course and he goes right
back out there, learns from his mistakes. A bad day
on the diamond, a bad day on the court, a
bad day on the football field. Maybe last night, in
relation to tonight's game, was the perfect game for that
to happen, perfect time for that to happen. I would
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have rather had it not happen, honestly, But in relation
to tonight and just tonight, I wonder if last night
will be a positive for them this evening.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
The brain dead itis that just affected all of them
last night was baffling, and it really started with that
Julio misplayers absolutely like a gold centerfield center field not
being able to catch a ball off a hop right
in his club, and then Gina with two of them
that the second was tough but I mean it just
you looked at those guys' eyes and then you looked
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at the guys on the on the Blue Jays eyes
and it was just a different level of locked in.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yes, And but we've seen the opposite in this series.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
We've seen the Blue Jays look lost and we've seen
the Mariners locked in. So you're right. I mean, it's
a perfect example you use. I mean, you mentioned Dixon.
He did it this week. He had a terrible turner
on Tuesday, and I was like, hey, I'm glad you're
playing this weekend, and he stepped right back and played
really good this weekend because he was he didn't have
to sit and think about it forever. That's exactly right
for the Mirrors. They don't have to sit and think
about it. They just go back on the field and
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just do your job. Just go and do your They
do their job last night. It's always going to win
when you do your job. But you've got to just
do your job.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's gonna be really hard to stomach this over the
offseason and for a long time if they do one
of these again tonight like they did last night. Right,
I mean, the whole conversation about is this year a success?
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Listen. I think it's gonna be. We can talk about
it later on down the road.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
But if they ended like this and they play again
like they played last night, it's gonna be really hard
to stomach this over the offseason, man, you know, I
mean being up two oho and not finishing it. You
go up two to oh on the road, you're going
back home for three.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You finish that.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
You finish that, and to not be able to do
it is going to be a scar and a heartache
that's gonna sit around for a long time until the
day comes where they heal it.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And who knows.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I mean, that's the thing that sucks about doing this
is that you got to go all the way back
to the beginning and start over again in February. Who
knows where the American League's gonna be next year. We've
been talking about it being wide open. Who knows where
you're pitching staff will be, will they be together, will
they be healthy? Who knows what kind of year Col's
gonna have. Who knows if Naylor's going to return? All
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that stuff. You never know what the future will hold.
I think they're building something that is sustainable for a
while where they could compete for championships in World Series,
but getting there is entirely another. So this is an
opportunity that I don't want to hear anybody saying, well,
we'll get them next year. No, forget it, man, I'm
tired of waiting. The fan base is tired to wait,
and there's only only thing we can do is wait.
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I get that, but man, it feels like it's not now,
We're never, But it's pretty damn close to be in now.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
We're never.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
If they can't get this done with a two games
to none lead going back home, then when the f
is it gonna happen?
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Well, we had one of the greatest collections of offensive
weapons in baseball history from ninety five to two thousand
and one and couldn't do it, and couldn't do it,
that's right. And we got there three We got to
this point three times and couldn't do it, So you're
exactly right. Yeah, I think they're going to be good
for a lot of years in a row. But good
doesn't get you to the World Series. You gotta be
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great to get to the World Series. And they can
be great right now, they've been great for the last
three months. They can be great tonight.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, this is the difference, man, between the NFC Championship,
the Super Bowl, and the baseball playoffs is that it's
just every day. I mean football, the Huskies running a
couple of years ago, the Seahawks running twenty thirteen to fourteen.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You know, we had a couple of weeks to enjoy it,
a week to enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Whatever, and just walking around with their chest cock of
the walk, we're proud, we're hired up. And all the
emotions after Game five that we experienced, and I think
it was more relief than anything else, that hey, we're
one game away. We've never been this far. Everyone's running
around this block party behind me the other night. Win
one more win that can be taken away with the
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snap of a finger. The other side of it is
it can go right back with the snap of a finger.
And I remember our buddy de Graz before the two
thousand and five Carolina NFC Championship game saying, you know
what this fan base deserves. They deserve to kick their ass,
and that's what they did in that game with Carolina.
So how about we kicked our ass tonight and let's
start a celebration like we've never seen. Biggest baseball game
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in this city's history is at five o'clock tonight.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
It's almost overwhelming when you put it like that, that
we're gonna break.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Hugh Mellin's gonna join and then cracking pregame with andrews
Hurst at three point thirty Flyers and the Boys at
four o'clock with Mike Benton right here on ninety three
three KJRFM. All right, joining us right now on the
radio program, our friend mill and Hugh. I've known you
for thirty almost thirty years now, I think twenty eight years,
going back to late nineties ninety nine, and I've never.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Uttered the words on the air.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Mariners win tonight, and they win the American League pennant,
and it's very, very overwhelming in some ways. So before
we talk some football, before we get your thoughts, Hughie
on the Hawks and Texans. You dub Michigan over the
weekend as a long time Seattle, like, give me your
thoughts on this Mariner matchup tonight against the Jays.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Man Well, I certainly am thinking back to year one.
I went to a lot of those games listened to
knee House broadcasting games when I was doing my homework,
so I was in it from the beginning. It would
be something to finally, I can't believe it's been forty
nine years. But look, I don't have a lot to
add to the conversation other than then, guys, Dave, you
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and I talked earlier. I think that I compare this
to football, and then I'll pull it back to baseball.
And football, you play once a week. You you prepare
all week, and when you drive to that stadium, which
oftentimes you know it's a police escort to the stadium
every if, it feels big because you're only playing once
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a week, right and and and there's there's magnitude, and
of course the NFL playoffs you have higher magnitude. But
every single playoff game you play in the NFL obviously
is winner Advanced, loser go home. They're all seventh games.
And so an NFL athlete is kind of used to playing.
When I when I play a game, it's got a
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lot of importance. Now let's switch to baseball. Baseball, these guys,
they amass all their stats, all of their most a
lot of times, their reputation, their money, uh, based on
on playing a long set and a long series of
inconsequential games one sixty two. If I go for to
oh for four today, does it really matter if I
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have an error today? Does it really matter if I
can't scoop up? You know, if I charge the third
baseline and I can't make the bare handed, does it
really matter? And so now even when a baseball player,
obviously there's a big rampupp you get in the playoffs,
but most playoff games, I would get guess eighty percent
of games are not you know, like like fifth game
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of a five or seventh game of a seventh. So
even when playoff baseball, there's usually a tomorrow, or at
least for one team there's a tomorrow. So these guys tonight,
here's my point. These guys tonight are playing under stakes
and a weight in a magnitude that they are not
usually playing. Baseball has of all the team sports, there's
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the biggest gap between the weight of what you usually
do and what you have in a game like tonight.
And so it's just like, I'm just fascinating to see
who can handle that pressure. And for example, how many
if there was an all knowing computer that could tell
you the exact percentages of how often Julio would bubble
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a ball like that in center field and turn a
single into double because he bought I mean a simple
right at the eyeball's cap, like I don't know what's
in his head. Maybe he was relaxed as hell, like
it's a May game, maybe it's a team it was
a March preseason game.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
But when you.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
Bobble a ball like that, you invite the question like
are you feeling the pressure? Because I would submit he
could do that play two hundred times in a regular season,
three hundred times before he'd have an error in the manner.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
That he did.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
So it just real simple. These baseball players are not
used to this weight, but they better be able to
operate in Hugh.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Talk about what you think the vibe in the stadium
will be like tonight for the Hawks and for those
Hawks players obviously they know what's going on around them,
But how weird is it gonna be? And was so
bizarre at Husky Stadium a couple of weeks ago, I mean,
ye had you know, by the middle of the second quarter,
at half the fans in the concourse not even watching
the football game, So like, how do you think the
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vibe will be and how do you think it'll affect
the Hawks either positively or negatively tonight.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
Yeah, I mean it's a little off. And we know
that the Seahawks of late, the numbers are what the
numbers are. They've only won for the last twelve games
at home. That right, you know, hard stop and so
that's got to change. But I think that I don't
know that Mike McDonald would address that, but I think
that at some point you just have to say, hey,
you're a professional, whether or not the Texans have, you know,
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twenty thousand fans, which I obviously don't expect, but but
you'd pick any extreme whatever environment you're thrust it in.
It might start raining, it might start snowing. Like you
have to as an athlete be able to to just say, hey,
there's things beyond my control. They're never excuses because nobody
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is going to, you know, give you an extra win
or advance you in the playoffs or anything by any
of your excuses. As Don James said, don't tell me
about the pain, show me the baity. And so if
you know that that that goes for tonight with the
maryors it goes for the Seahawks tonight in whatever environment
they have to plan.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Did DJ really say that to you or did you
make that up in your head? Now he said it.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
He said it, And Gary Pinkell repeated on a frequent
basis the offenseive coordinator in my quarterback coach so so,
and he would always quote coach James. Yeah, you know what,
Coach James says, don't tell me about the pain, show
me the baby. I know that it's it sounds a
little crass, but you know what when you got a
nineteen year old who's trying to learn about how to
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process a lot of different stimulis both as an athlete.
And then why do why do colleges even get into
the business of intercollegiate athletics? Because there was a time
was thought and they all it was all back in
the Ivy League days. The Premiere Academic Institution said, there's
a lesson to be learned for our young students to
participate in intercollegiate athlete athletics, right, and and there's there's
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lessons you learned that you don't learn in any other classroom,
and stuff like accountability and the ability to say no excuses. Yes,
you get a job done, period into story. I think
those are great lessons. All right, let's language is crass.
Let's talk about tonight's game. If we can seek in
some dogs Michigan conversation. We all got about ten minutes
left here here.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
But I'm looking at a Texan football team that is,
you know, the record says they're two and three, but
their defense gave up fourteen to the Rams, twenty to
a good Tampa team, seventeen to Jacksonville, and then shut
out Tennessee and held the Ravens to ten. Is this
a really good defensive football team that happens to have
a terrible offense? What are we talking about here?
Speaker 7 (40:36):
It's a really good defensive team. And they you know,
they're number one. They're a touchdown less than the Seahawks.
In fact, more than a twelve point two to nineteen
point five right in terms of points allowed.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
So you could just stop right there.
Speaker 7 (40:49):
But they're they're they're in the top five in yards,
they're thirty yards fourth and first downs allowed. Look, they're
a zone team that does a lot of zone pressures.
They bring five guys, five rushers at the quarterback, the
fifth most in the NFL. But yet their man demand
usage is twentieth and Cover one that's with a free safety,
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twenty ninth in cover zero that's man and man with
no free safety. So so they're they're trying to play
in a way a lot of ways like Mike McDonald like,
try and and simulate pressures, get you to be a
little bit hesitant, and then play zone behind it so
that your coverage has a little bit more of a
stop gap in terms of preventing the big play. So
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that's what they've done. The numbers. Look, you gotta go
and Demico Ryans a hell of a coach that you know.
He inherited a three and thirteen team his first year,
they went ten and seven. Now they got CJ. Stroud
with the second overall pick, they got Will Anderson with
the third. Remember they traded up to and they got
the second and third pick of the draft that year,
and they've gone ten and seven back to back.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
There.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
Yes, they're only two and three, Dave, but in the
in the in the wild card hunt, Colts obviously he's
six and one ahead of that division.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
But in the wild card.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Hunt there's only one team.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
I'm excluding the division leaders there's only one team that
has a better record in the lost call than them,
that's the Bills. So they are in a four way
tie with three losses for the second and third wildcard team.
They absolutely believe they're a playoff team. They've been on
PLAFF team in the last two years, and so you
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know they're going to come in rested with the buy
and on the feeling right in a two game winning
streak that they're just starting to get things humming.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Well here, I can guarantee you tonight we're going to
be talking about those edge rushers you mentioned, Will Anderson
and then daneil Hunter against the Hawks. Tackles and the
tackles right now, according to PFF, are graded eleventh and
twenty second out of seventy six qualified tackles. Do you
buy those eleventh per Cross? Twenty second for Abe Lucas does?
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Does that kind of check out with you based upon
what your eyes have told you about these guys?
Speaker 7 (43:00):
All right, let me start on the left side. In
my opinion, when I hear these things Charles Cross, in
the past, I've said I don't really buy those numbers
because he's winning, but he's winning too deep into the
pocket he's in the lap of Geno Smith, and so
even though his man didn't touch Geno Smith, he got
walked back too much into the pocket. I think Charles
Cross is playing his best football right now. On the
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other side, it's the opposite. I think, Abe Lucas, While
you say, what was twenty second grated, I think that
they have tried to protect him.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
They've chipped with him more.
Speaker 7 (43:34):
I think in one on one situations, I think he's
lost too many pivotal beginning with the first game in
the forty nine ers and Bosa. Obviously that was a
game wrecking play, but I think Lucas concerns me he's
more likely to be against will Anderson. And then you know,
for Daniel Hunter on the other side, you know, I
always look at the opponents their salary cap, like who
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do they think is their best player? Well, number one
on their salary cap is daneil Hunter at twenty point
two million, which is like the Seahawks highest guy is
I think under sixteen million. And so I looked at
I said, well, what does that rank on edge players? Well,
it's behind only Micah Parson, TJ. Watt and Miles Garrett.
He's the fourth guy, Daneil Hunter. Now you probably hurt
more Hurd of Will Anderson because of his you know,
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college status and number three overall pick. But they got
some dudes up front in their defensive tackles are are
are playing really solid as well.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
That front four is legit.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I think about Daniel Hunter. I think about his days
in Minnesota, and I just looked it up. He's almost
thirty one years old. He's thirty one years old nine
days for God's sakes, and he's still kicking ass in
the NFL. So you know, look, I mean I said
this to Dick Hugh a couple of days ago that look, man,
I mean, with this defense and McDonald's scheme and the
way Darnold's you know, spinning the football, they can just
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find a way to get some consistency with their run game.
Look out right, for this football team, how much confidence
do you have that they will find some consistency with
their run game? And do you think there's any chance
they'll fight it tonight?
Speaker 7 (45:02):
I don't have confidence because I'm sick and tired of
talking about it and and trying to feign confidence, which
I really haven't done. I just I think, you know,
the evidence keeps stacking up that they just don't run
the ball. Well, I do think K nine should be
featured more. But but you know, this is as we said,
the front four, the tim Settle, the defensive tackle, Sheldon Rankings,
(45:24):
and they got a hell of a middle linebacker and
as Ziz al Shah here. Every time I watch him play,
I think that guy's like a you know, a poor
man's Fred Warner. So so I think they've got some
pieces and I I am. I am not riding on
the running game turning it around as a vital component
to win tonight, because then I'm not crazy about the
(45:46):
chances of winning.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Hugh. If you get Lovi and Witherspoon both back, what
does that do to how you can use nicky men Warrey.
Speaker 7 (45:56):
That's a great question. I think what what it means.
I think you're gonna have Emon Worry as your nickel.
You can play more dime. So if you just want
to have one, you know Ernest Jones in there, and
so you can have that your overhang defenders be a
dB on either side. You could have Spoon on one side,
you could have Emon Worry on the other side. You
can have you can put Witherspoon at corner and you
(46:17):
can have Emon worry b the nickel and and I
did not like his you know, he's basically played two games.
I thought his first game against Tampa and you know,
he was out of position too much. I think he
had a big vault in terms of his assignment soundness.
Uh if that if that's a term we can discuss
last week. So I thought big vault that you can
(46:38):
just see the athleticism. You know, he's a tall, big
rangy guys just with beautiful movement movements. So so this
this has the potential to be a really impact player.
We have not seen them together.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (46:50):
The guy that they better keep an eye on his
Nico Collins. Thirty six attempts the wide receiver Nico Collins,
more than double the next closest, Christian Kirk, who's out
tonight at sixteen. So that you've got in CJ. Stroud,
he wants to get to Nico Collins. They got a hundred.
He's got one hundred and seventeen passer rating when he
throws the Nico Collins, so you better know where he
(47:11):
is whoever's in that secondary. But yeah, I think Mike
McDonald's kind of licking his chops to be able.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
To use some of these tools.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Hey here, we got like two minutes left, all right,
But I did want to get a quick take from
you on what the hell happened to you dub in
the second half? Seven to seven at half time, and
then they shot themselves in the foot, the ankle, the hip,
the shoulder, every body part you can imagine. Demon William
is just total meltdown offensively, pick, pick, sack, fumble, turnover
on downs, pick, what the hell happened?
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (47:41):
Well, first of all, the inability to run the ball
is somewhat, you know, consistent with what we've talked about
with this with the Seahawks, and so that puts a
little bit of a burden on the passing game. But
both of those first two interceptions, the pivotal interceptions, were
on first and tent and in this DNA age, when
(48:02):
you go forward on fourth down, it really hurts to
throw an interception on first and ten. The first one
that was essentially a pick pick six, that was just
slant flat. I was running that in middle school football.
I'm not even kidding. Like, if you can't call slant flat,
you got to just read off the will linebacker. If
(48:22):
you can't see him or aware you can't, you can't operate.
And then the second one was why stick that shit
that the Wolverines had a good five under two deep
zone defense, so you can glove that concept up.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Why stick?
Speaker 7 (48:38):
And there was clearly signs of not coaching enough on
what you want.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
With the tight end.
Speaker 7 (48:45):
Do you want to hook it up on why stick?
Or do you want to keep on the move away
for the middle linebacker because quarterback and the tight end
uh work. But in the bigger picture, Demon Williams was
given that time a year ago you had Jetfish came
back on the November eleventh of last year. He said,
(49:05):
he said, hey, we got demand this experience. This is
going to help him and he mentioned a slant route
in front of one hundred and seven thousand. Well, fast
forward a year he threw a slant route in front
of one hundred and seven thousand and was basically a
pick six. So Demon Williams was given all that grooming
for a game like Saturday. He has yet to really
produce a signature win. And don't tell me it's the
(49:28):
Bowl game from last year. I'll go get into that
game either.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Well, first of all, I would just add this Demon
hasn't done it. Neither was Jetfish. I mean, those guys
are kind of tired of the hip. You know, neither
one has had that signature win. All right, here we
got to run. You're doing postgame with Dick tonight after
the game around ten.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
What a night, Seattle, enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Let's do it, all right. We got about a minute
left and I'll just say this, you guys can chime in.
Whatever happens tonight with the Mariners sound corny as hell.
Corny as hell. I want to be proud of my
baseball team tonight. I was not proud of them last night,
with the way they played in Toronto. I want to
be proud. You lose the game, you lose the game,
but you go down freaking swinging in this game tonight.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
That's all I want. And if they do that, they're
going to have a shot.
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