October 24, 2025 • 35 mins
In the fourth hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Jon Wilner about UW’s loss to Michigan and Illinois next, then update two polls before Rick Neuheisel’s visit.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
All right, we appreciate his flexibility. Sorry to take away
from the Friday night family dinner. John Wilner normally joins
us on Tuesdays at five, but we had some hockey
to ten two on Tuesdays, so he's with us here
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(00:41):
he is the Pope of the pack, the bear to
the Big ten, the boss of the Big twelve, and
the give me something that starts with an A with
an A, the astronaut of the acc whatever, John Wilner
joins us right now. I can think it's something else
for to be inappropriate, joins us right now on the radio.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Show, is that the first thing that came to mind
for me.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Just whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I just froze after that, a little bit loopy. How
are you man, I'm good, That's what your phone just
sounded like. Now let's try to get John how.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Are you good? Things? How you guys much better?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, let's uh, let's talk about first of all, what
we saw last Saturday. You dubbed Michigan. We haven't had
you on since that game. We're going to preview of
the game tomorrow with Illinois. But my god, man, Jed
Fish and you dubb tied at seven and a half,
and they got a great shot in the second half
to get a really nice win for the programming in
the offense, and DeMont Williams just fell apart man in
the second half of that game, soll apart.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I mean, it was a lot like the use of
the Ohio State game. Frankly, in both instances, the offense
didn't really do anything in the second half, and Michigan
confused Williams and you know, they can't get Jonah Coleman going.
I can't remember the last time he had a big game.
It was probably maybe Colorado State or you see Davis.
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But I think a lot of it starts there other
teams are basically loading up to stop Coleman and they're
gonna dare Williams to beat them from the pocket, and
the good against the good defenses, he hadn't really been
able to do that.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, that's leading me into the next question, John, excellent
job there. I mean, how worried should we be that
when he plays at Penn State in Oregon in a Michigan,
Ohio state he just doesn't look the same? Should be
worried or should we remind ourselves he's nineteen years of
age too.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Yet, I think that's important thing to keep in mind
for sure, And the fact that you know, he played
so well last year and there was a lot of
hype and then the huge game. Early on, he's shown
so many flashes of what he can be that it's
easy to kind of get to forget that he has
a big learning curve, especially against the best defenses in
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the Big Ten. And you know, we saw what happened
against Rutgers, but that is just so misleading. Rutgers defense
is terrible now. Fortunately for the Huskies, you know the schedule,
there's some real winnable games and some mediocre defenses coming up.
But certainly, it seems like they are a big step
away from being able to execute well enough to beat
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the best teams in the conference.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, it really feels like this game tomorrow against Illinois
is kind of the difference between maybe an eight win
season and potentially a ten win season if they can
get a bowl win. By the way, So we'll talk
about tomorrow in a second, But John, go back to Jorona,
Cooma for a second. He has not had one hundred
yard game in his last seven Big Ten games going
back to last year.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Are we good?
Speaker 7 (03:42):
We're good?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Somebody talking to John in three?
Speaker 7 (03:45):
I gotcha?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Oh right, yo.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I don't know what's going on here, man, We're not
paying our phone bill properly. He has not had a
one hundred yard game and seven consecutive Big Ten games
going back to last year. He's averaging three and a
half yards per carry in Big Ten games this season.
And I guess you know, Dick and I were kicking
this around the other day. Do we just chalk that
up to injuries to the offensive line because a lot
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of people thought, hey, man, Jodah Coleman is a beast,
doesn't matter, he'll be able to find yards. No, matter
where they are, he's that good and we're finding out
it's not happening like that.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I think some of.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
It is the injuries, and some of it is just
the offensive line. Especially last year it didn't seem like
it was up to the standard of an elite Big
ten offensive line. So, you know, I think it's a
combination of things, all of which start up front. And certainly, again,
if you're a defensive coordinator and you're seeing that, you
know there's a freshman quarterback, there's a lot of things
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you can do to kind of get Washington off schedule,
out of sync, and the injuries up front are just
adding to that.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
All right.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
John Softy teased it the Dogs or the dog tomorrow
at Husky Stadium.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
You know, I think Illinois is not nearly as good
as Ohio State, obviously, but way better than Rutgers and
better than Maryland. I think it's gonna be in doubt
with five minutes to go, but I also think Washington
will find a way to win. What's the line right
now for I think I'd probably take the Huskies, but
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I do think it will be close. This is not
gonna be like their previous home games against Rutgers and
the non conference it's gonna be tight.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yeah, did you change your mind on that?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
By the way, because you had in the paper you
had plus four point five and this is a different
John Wilner writing in the Seattle Times.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I don't even remember what I wrote. Did I pick Illinois?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, plus four and a half. You didn't say that that.
You did not specify whether they would win or not.
You just picked plus four and a half.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Oh yeah. I mean, I've been going back and forth
because I do think it's gonna be close. And the
fact Illinois had two weeks to get ready is a
big deal. The fact that the Huskies are coming off
a bruising game and are banged up is a big deal.
And Illinois has got you know, they've got a competent
offense at a good quarterback. So I think this is
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going to be a challenging game for the Huskies. But
you know, it's one of those deals where you score
with three minutes to go and you cover a four
point spread.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, we keep basking you every single week if you
CLA is for real and UCLA just keeps winning. I mean,
Penn State, Michigan State, Maryland now they got Indiana and
I got I kind of feel like UCLA can win
by losing if they.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Just cover that spread.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
People might be impressed by UCLA this weekend against Bloomington.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
So are in Bloomington.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Is this where the UCLA train flies off a clifford?
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Does it keep charging?
Speaker 6 (06:45):
I don't think they're going to win the game, But
keep in mind the teams you just rattle off. Michigan
State winless in the Big Ten, Maryland I think is
one in three, and Penn State is winless. Those teams
are one and eleven in conference play. UCLA has not
beaten anybody that's good. Well, they played Northwestern close in
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the first game with the interim coach, but they've been
beaten up on the bad teams in the Big Ten,
and there's actually a fair amount of bad teams in
the Big Ten. The bottom of the conference is terrible.
But I do think that they will play pretty well.
But it's hard for me to see them winning a
game outright in Bloomington, Indiana. I was in Eugene and
they just took it to the Ducks at the line
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of scrimmage. And if you can do that to Oregon,
you could certainly do it to UCLA.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Well, John, Obviously, sports gambling is in the news this week,
there's no question about it. And we haven't gotten a
chance to ask you since the D one Council approved
gambling on pro sports for college athletes. Your thoughts on
that and if D two and D three are going
to fall suit.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
YEP announced that the day before the NBA scandal. If
I'm not mistaken, it was Wednesday, and that had been
something This is a long time coming, and the NCAA
and its membership have been discussing the gambling issue for years,
and especially what they should do about the pro sports situation.
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And I think what they're doing is actually the smart,
proactive move, because there's no way they were going to
stop kids from gambling on the NBA or the NFL
or whatever it is. If you put if you make
it legal, you're bringing sunshine to the problem and you
are allowing you are allowing the oversight mechanisms to do
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their job, both the casinos themselves and also the firms
like US Integrity that have partnered with the conferences and
are tracking for improper bets.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, and here's the issue, and this was brought up
by somebody I know in the industry, in Ky's athletics,
who said the fear that a lot of administrators have
is that when you allow eighteen nineteen twenty year old
kids to gamble on sports, if they get in trouble
and they owe somebody money, what's the easiest way they
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can pay them back by influencing a game. They have
that ability, Unlike Joe Q Public and some nineteen year
old in college, is that a concern of yours? John,
that if these kids make mistakes, and let's face it,
they're still kids and they get involved with the wrong people,
they'll be asked to pay it back by throwing games.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
I think that's a legitimate fear. But I also don't
know that that issue didn't exist before, right right, I mean,
kids have been gambling. We had that issue with it.
What was it Iowa or Iowa State had all those
kids that were caught. I just think the oversight mechanisms
are really good and should pick up on most of
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that stuff. But I think it's inevitable, and it would
have been inevitable to me even if the NCAA had
not legalized it. And quite frankly, I think there's a
better chance of them catching stuff now that they've made
the move they have.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Good Good John tell us about the latest in the
Mountain West PAC twelve case and heat it up again today.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Well, yeah, the Mountain West file the counter claim. It's
mostly procedural role. But what they're saying is the PAC twelve,
Washington State, Oregon State in the conference office.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
You know, they.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Maneuvered behind the scenes to undermine and disrupt the Mountain
West and so they're you know, they are claiming the
PAC twelve should be uh losing court on a certain
couple accounts. I don't know that that's gonna that that's
gonna hold up, to be honest, The big thing is
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that this case is gonna go for a long time.
It's gonna go well into next year. And so to me,
are the presidents gonna want to go through the discovery process?
Are the presidents gonna want to pay these attorney fees
for the next year? And is the Mountain West gonna
want to Are the schools gonna want to wait not
knowing if they're gonna get the money that's and promised.
(11:01):
I think there's going to be a settlement, would be
in my guests in the next couple months.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
John Wilder is with us.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You know, guys, it's funny you kind of realize all
of a sudden that five weeks from tomorrow is the
last game of the regular season.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I mean it's going to be over. In five weeks
is the Oregon game.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So it goes by very fast, and when the offseason comes,
there's going to be a lot of topics that we've
been hitting on, like the one that Dick just brought up,
like the gambling stuff, and like this private equity deal
on the Big Ten that can we now officially say
that Michigan USC have killed this thing.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
It's dead for today. What's the latest on that. I
don't think it's dead.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I think it is taking a nap now. Whether it
wakes up or not, and what form it takes when
it does wake up, I don't know. Tony Batiki, the
Big Ten commissioner, is very frustrated that this deal got
squashed by the two schools. Didn't expect that to happen.
They thought it was going to pass. So they are
working behind the scenes to come up with an alternate
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version that might be acceptable to Michigan and USC. There
has been talked it would go forward without the Wolverines
and Trojans on board, which to me is comical that
they could even think that right. So we'll see, but
they want to get it done, and there's a lot
of schools in the conference that want to get it done,
including the Huskies. I am not convinced it's the right
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move for Washington. I understand why the Huskies are considering it,
but I do think that there's some risks to it
for sure, and it would it would involve if it
goes to US as scheduled, Washington would end up on
a tier below Oregon with the revenue.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Well, and you kind of brought up right there. First
of all, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I'm surprised that this thing got out before everybody was
on the same page.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
That's number one, and then number two.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Robert Jones, as the new president, came over coincidentally enough
from Illinois, by the way, and he was on the
air with US two weeks ago on our pregame show,
and I asked him flat out if he would vote
for something like this, the private equity deal, and he
wouldn't answer it.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
He just refused to answer.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
And so look, we heard Michigan and USC through the media,
we're against it. Can you now confirm with us that
Washington is for this equity deal.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
I have been told by somebody who knows that it
was sixteen to two wow, And so that my understanding
is that Washington is in favor of The Huskies are
in a unique situation within the eighteen team conference because
like Oregon, they are getting half shares of revenue. Unlike Oregon,
they don't have Phil Knight, and they have a lot
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of stadium debt, a ton of it. So then you
add on the revenue sharing and if you're Washington, you
could see, you know what this this infusion of one
hundred and ten million dollars will help us on a
lot of fronts to compete. The other thing is they're
extending the grand of rights to twenty years. It would
lock all eighteen schools in together for twenty years. I
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think Washington also feels like that is attractive because they
would have stability before you're trading away a lot of stuff,
a lot of future flexibility. And I think it is
on the whole for the big ten. I think it's
a bad deal for the biggest brands, Ohio State, Michigan, USC,
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Penn State. I think it's a terrible deal for Washington.
I'm kind of on the fence. I can see the
case for but I could also see the case against John.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
What are the odds of a Saudi investment in college
football and more specifically the Big Ten Conference?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Right?
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Well, I mean the Big Ten is kind of its
sole is for sale in some regards. Right, Saudi comes
in with two point four billion, and maybe they're paying
the Big Ten championship over there? You know, I go, well,
I do think that, I do think that that at
some point there's gonna be foreign investment in college athletics.
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I don't know if it will be Saudi Arabia, and
I don't know when it's gonna happen, but it will happen.
I mean, this is part of the Big Ten deal.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Right.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
The firm that would make the investment is part of
the University of California. It's the pension fund. But after
fifteen years they're able to sell their ten percent stake.
And one of the questions nobody knows is sell to Who?
Could they sell to the Saudis, Could they sell to
private equity? Could they sell to the NFL? That's one
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of the questions. You know, the public does not know
what are the parameters for this fund in terms of
exiting the deal?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
All right, Doc Fans, Dave Satia, Maither, Gregor Lewis, Mario
Bailey live from King Fod Stadium in Riodd, Saudi Arabia
for today's Big Ten Championship between you dub and Ohio State.
This is husky football from Liarlefield, like freaking crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Go to that.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Absolutely all right, John, You got a winner last week
with a Windo Laurean. You nailed Oregon, just kicking the
snot at a Rutgers. So you're five and three on
the air so far this year. Not a bad start
after eight games. The Windo Lai and his back again
walk on the proper path and we're gonna stay on
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the winning road.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Who do you like this week? John?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
The trend is my friend here. I will take the
Bruins in Bloomington.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
And I think it is twenty five twenty.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Twenty six and a half. You're getting Woo.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
I'll take them. Here's the thing. UCLA is five and
oh against the spread in Big Ten games in the
Eastern and Central time zones. They're the only one of
the four West Coast schools that hasn't lost. USC hasn't
won a game against the spread. Washington hasn't won a
game against the spread. The Bruins are perfect five and
oh over the last season and a half in the
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eastern half of the country.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
So basically you should have new Heizel tell his boy
Mick Cronin on the basketball team, I'm starting plane.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, this is how it's done pretty much. Boy.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
We've seen the statue of Liberty twelve times.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
All right, John, great stuff, and we'll talking actually on Tuesday.
All right, man, all right, John Will whose phone just
always lasts every time? Right, eighteen minutes and thirty seconds,
and the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
When you put the quarter in you'll only get nineteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, Ucla, he likes UCLA and the points against Indiana.
I'm gonna break Rick new Heisel, by the way, speaking
of that, will join us around six forty or so
tonight on ninety three three KJRFM, Now.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
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Speaker 2 (17:30):
All right, we have multiple polls that we have to
check here before Rick new Heiseel joins us on the
radio show. First one that we threw out this morning,
do you plan on watching the World Series? Seventy seven
percent so far have voted. Anybody want to guess? No,
(17:53):
Seventy seven to twenty three percent will not watch the
World Series in Seattle. I am really curious to see
what the ratings look like for this in our market.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I think if you were to do that every year
in Seattle, it would probably be about seventy seven percent.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Yeah, but even more so this year, don't you think.
I think it's jumped about ten percent.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I guess the question would be this,
do you think after the Mariners lost to Toronto that
more people will watch the World Series?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I think there are some people that will spite watch
the World Series and just want the Dodgers to kick
the Blue Jays ass.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well, that's what we're all hoping for. Two nothing Dodgers.
By the way, that's the fourth from the Rodgers Center
in Toronto.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Blake Snell all right, whole number two of three. Richard
Sherman said last night in the broadcast that the Hawks
are a legitimate Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Yes, is he right? Yes? You want to update the poll,
I will update the poll.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Up the pole.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Sixty nine sixty nine percent say yes, which I actually
I think is a pretty high number.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
I'm shocked by that.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
The pessimistic Seattle sports fans sixty nine percent think that
their Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I wonder if Seahawk fans just see what Geno Smith
and Russell Wilson are doing right now and think.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Oh, maybe we are better off, right.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I think maybe we are better off with with Sam
Darnold versus those guys. And I've said it before, I'll
say it again. Not that I'm bringing a new take
to the show here, but I think it's amazing what
Snyder's done, jumping off the Russell wagon at the exact
right time, the Geno wagon at the exact right time,
the Jackson Smith, the Jigma stuff that Millan talked about earlier.
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Is kind of intriguing that, hey, look, this may not
be sustainable, right, Like, you've got ten games left to go,
you got more than sixty percent of the season left
to go. You might need to develop another offensive weapon
besides number eleven.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
No, there's no question about it. And I think they're
still good enough with that defense to win eleven games
even if you don't run the ball right and you
don't find a second weapon. I think that's the baseline
now for the Seahawks. If you can find a second
up and get it to like four point two four
point three yards per kid, yeah, you could win thirteen games.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
The craziest thing, dude, is that they're five and two
and they only need to go three and seven the
rest of the way to get the over, which was
at seven and a half, they got to win one
game a month for the rest of the way to
get the over. It is like taking candy from a
sleeping baby. It is unbelievable how easy money that was
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when that came out.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
That and the Vikings that and the Vikings Under. I mean,
we're gonna we're gonna be eating well for a while.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
The Viking, yeah, I mean, the Vikings Under. It is
all dependent on what they get from their quarterback. But
the Seahawks feels like a lock. It's over, right, it's
over already, A right, one more update on the pole,
All right, hang on this second. I got I got
away from the little page. I was doing something else.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I updated on I would not trade Sam Darnold unless
I got this many first round picks. Yeah, okay, one, two,
three or four. There is a runaway winner and that
is two.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I wish you would have had. No trade is one
of your options?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Well there's only four options on Twitter.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
This is why I don't want to watch this freaking game.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
You kidding me?
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Will you turn that off?
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Ye?
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Son of a bitch, I turn it on. It's two
to two, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I would like to let everybody know Softy turned the
game on when I went because Jackson told me the
game on.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I blame you, Jackson, all right, I'm like a child.
I can't be trusted with the remote control. Do not
let me have ay, He's like, I don't want to
watch it. I don't want to watch it.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I don't. I go to the past run and I
come back and you've turned it off.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
That is why I want to watch the affent thing.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
God darn it, the freaking beady eyed Canadians going bananas
in toront I don't want to see that crap.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
I'm sorry. What was the number?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Last run away was two? So eighteen percent said one. Yeah,
forty six percent said two, yeah, sixteen percent said three,
twenty percent said four.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well, look, I mean he's uh, he's obviously I think,
proving a lot of people wrong. He's winning over a
lot of fans, there is no question about that. And
it'd be so different if he was thirty three or
thirty four, right, but he's twenty eight years old like
he is it possible that they have really truly found
their quarterback of the future and a guy who's gonna
get a second contract from the Hawks. Rick Neuheisel will
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join us next.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
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Now with Rick Neuheisel, here's SOFTI and Ditch.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I'd like to point out, by the way, before we
start talking college football games this weekend, that Rick new
Heiseel is now riding a three game winning streak. Boys
and Girls came through with tempo in a big way,
given the points over Charlotte hammering them this weekend. He
began the year one in five, is now crawling back
to a game under at four and five on the year,
and he's won three in a row.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
How about that, coach? How about that run? Baby?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
How about me starting the show giving you full credit
like I promised.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
At a boy, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you.
Let's let's not talk about it. Let's just see if
we can keep it going.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Done, done done, All right, Well, let's go back first
of all, before we talk about this Saturday's game and
all the action happening this weekend. Man Rick, the Dogs
were right there, seven to seven at halftime against Michigan.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
You know what it's like to coach in that stadium.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
The last two times I was there with you back
in two thousand and two and then went with Jimmy.
You know, just a couple of years ago, things didn't
go so well. They didn't go well again to mont
Williams comes out and throws three picks in the second
half and the Huskies lose again to the Wolverines. I mean,
how do you explain the offense just melting down on
the second half like that.
Speaker 10 (23:57):
Yeah, it was absolutely a tough, tough second half for
the Dogs. Listen, at the end of the day, it
comes down to turnovers. You can't turn it over. It's
an old cliche, it's coach speak.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
One oh one, But when you turn the ball.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
Over and give short fields, you're in the harm's way,
especially when.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
You get a crowd involved.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
And you know that's a tough place to play anytime,
as you know having been there with the team on
a couple of occasions. But to win, you have to
make those plays and you've got to cause those turnovers,
and that's just wasn't to be on that particular Saturday.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
How much of a concern should there be in DeMont
Williams when the competition steps up. I mean, through three
interceptions against Michigan, they scored seven points. They scored six
against OSU. Last year, they scored six against Penn State
when he played half that game. I mean, how much
how much concern should there be because he is a
smaller quarterback and that's first interception certainly was because he
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was short and he couldn't see the guy cutting across
the middle.
Speaker 10 (25:06):
You know, that's always going to be an issue. That's
something he can't control. I think that, you know, if
I were in the play caller's position, i'd move him
a little bit more, give him some free opportunities to
look down the field without that big pocket in front
of him. But at the day's end, I still think
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he's one of the really talented guys out there. And
when you play against these really talented fronts, which Ohio
State and Michigan both are, it's not as easy to
make the kind of you know, jaw dropping moves that.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
He makes against the rest of his teams.
Speaker 10 (25:45):
So if you get comfortable living off of that, you're
going to have problems when it's not there for you.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, Rick new Hazel with us and Rick is not
very often that we talk FCS football on this segment
with you, But were you tracking what your old special
teams coach Bobby Hawk is going back and forth with
this week with Sacramento State before the big game with
Montana Friday night?
Speaker 7 (26:07):
How about that.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
There's some there's some talk huh big, clearly shocking knowing
Bobby like I know it, Well, where.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Is that coming from?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Is that because Dick and I were surmising on the air, Well,
this is just them trying to drum up this broadcast
on ESPN two, which they've done because I'm gonna go
watch the game tomorrow night.
Speaker 10 (26:27):
I don't know where it comes. You know, Brendan Mary
and the head coach at sax State. It used to
be Troy Taylor, who was a GA of mine when
I was coaching at Colorado. Troy went to Stanford and
got let go this year for some kind of crazy reasons,
and I know he's.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Suing the school and so forth.
Speaker 10 (26:46):
Uh, Bobby and I have been together a long time now.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
That's Ben and Mary and at Sacramento State.
Speaker 10 (26:53):
And he's the guy that wouldn't pay that Matthew Seluca
at UNLB last year when Seluca said I'm not playing anymore.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Yes, that's the same guy.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
So he didn't have much to say on that topic.
So maybe he just is tired of not talking. He
wants to talk now.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Rick, the beloved Bruins are on a three game winning
streak and they're rolling into Indiana to take on the
undefeated Hoosiers.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Sigh.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Is there an upset waiting for Jerry Newheizel's greatest win
of his career. If he can get that one twenty
six points, that seems like a big number to lay for.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
The climb from twenty four and a half to twenty
six and a half. Yeah, so what did the guys
in Dumb and Dumber say? So you're saying there's a chance.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Yeah, that's exactly where we are.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
You know.
Speaker 10 (27:39):
I heard Urban Meyer talk about how you win a
game of this kind where you're big underdog, and he says,
you don't talk about winning, You talk about making a
five yard gain on this play and pushing the pile.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
So you get a three.
Speaker 10 (27:52):
Yard game on this play. And now it's third and
two and you convert, and all of a sudden, you
break a tackle and there's a twelve yard game. And
the next thing I know, you're down there in the
red zone and somebody makes a great catch and you
play like that. And this is going to be a
party in Bloomington for all the people who've been waiting
for this forever. This is the losing this program in
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the history of college football. And yet now they have
the bellow the ball in Kurt Signetti. He just got
a ninety six million dollar raise. You can imagine how
the signetti. Confetti's going to be flying all over the place.
So how you win this game? It is what I
told Marcus and all those guys, is we're going to
make him in about the third quarter look up and go,
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wait a minute, we're only ahead by three, or we're
behind by three, and they'll wake up and they'll get
into it. But instead of being raucous, they're going to
be nervous. And that's how you strike. Anyway, it sounded
good when I told the.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Kid, Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Well, Rick new Hazel's with us, and Rick two weeks
ago is James Franklin. Last week it was Billy Napier.
Two schools are going to spend about seventy million dollars
to get rid of their coaches. So I guess the
question is where does Florida now go from here? And
should Husky fans even be thinking about Jed fish in
that regarding Gainesville?
Speaker 10 (29:10):
You know, having spent time with Jed this summer, I
know he loves it in Seattle, so I would if
he were to get interested in that job, it would
be something I would be surprised by. Obviously, it's where
he went to school, so it's an easy you know,
connection to make. But he's made most of his life
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at least as the head coach on this side of
the country, on the west side of the country, and
so I think that he's probably very much in the
long haul. He may want to talk to the ad
about an extension should the thing gets heated up, which
is probably what Lane Kiffin's going to do at Ole
miss Right. But I mean this is the leverage limbo
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that is the agent's world. Jimmy Sexton and all the
different guys out there are are working the phones trying
to make.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Deals because it's not just for the guy who.
Speaker 10 (30:04):
Gets the job, it's for all the guys that got
their name in the paper about the job.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Rick, what do you make of the fighting a line?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
They've been blown out twice by.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
The two really good teams they face, but they have
an impressive win over a USC So what type of
team are we going to see coming into Montlake on Saturday.
Speaker 10 (30:22):
I think it's a little bit different than what you
would expect from Brett Beelman teams. I don't see them
as overly physical. I see them you know, you're able
to run the ball. They've given up a number of
games over two hundred yards on the ground. I see
this as but their quarterback is their key. Luke Altmeyer
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is a player. I think he has at least six
come from behind victories, maybe seven. He had five coming
into the year, which was the most of any returning quarterback,
and he did it again against sc and maybe another time.
So that's the key that the defense is going to
have to keep an eye on Altmeyer and make sure
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they corral him if they're going to have success against Illinois.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well, we talked about, you know, the travel in this conference,
and God, it just still feels like it's a thing, man,
that people are still kind of trying to figure this out.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I guess my question is how long is this going
to be a freaking topic for because I'm getting kind
of sick and tired of talking about it. You know,
Lincoln Riley talking about it, Franklin was talking about it.
Mick Cronin basketball coach at UCLA. We've mentioned that to you,
talking about is this still a thing or is this just.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
An excuse that coaches like to keep in their back pocket.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
Well, it's not a thing if you did it once
and maybe twice, But the hangover and what you get
in practice when you come back and you're missing some
sleep or your timing is off. The practices aren't his crisp,
and so you go into games with less confidence and
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it just has a residual effect. And it's justif part
and parcel of the you know, the four West Coast
schools being a part of the Big Ten, and you know,
whether you're going to the Midwest, you're going all the
way across to the East Coast.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
It is problem now. You do everything you can to
use the science and you know, but they're school involved
and it something's got to give.
Speaker 10 (32:23):
And that's why I hope someday we get back to
divisions in these conferences so there's.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Less of it.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
Twice a year would be okay, four times a year?
Is it a little overwhelming?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well, Rick, I got a factor fiction pick to make
in a couple of minutes, and I looked at this
Wazoo Toledo game in Pullman, and I'm like, what am
I missing here? The Kugs are one and a half
point underdogs to the Rockets. What is what is Toledo
bringing into Pullman?
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Nobody is paying attention to? Is it? Zeb echa Yev.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, yes, zeb.
Speaker 10 (32:56):
No one's paying attention to that guy. He almost pulled
up to unbelievable upsets. They were at Oh Myths and
got within a field goal of that game, having the
lead for much of it. And then at Virginia, who's
only got one loss and is you know, kind of
the darlings of the ACC right now. They win, they
have a safety late in the.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
Game that ends up costing them that game. This kid
is really good.
Speaker 10 (33:22):
I loved zebbe Eckhouse in Washington State this week especially.
Are we gonna get any weather in Pullman, Little ram
but it shouldn't be bad, not as bad as Seattle.
And remember those those teams in the MAC are not
traveling it to kind of lush accommodations that those those
power schools are traveling with.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
I love the Cougars in this spot.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I love it all right. Well, let's get to it then,
because this is the big one. This is the moment
that all of us have been waiting for. We can
get back to five hundred rick with our Taco Time
pick of the week. I'm gonna go with a Chicken
soft taco Chris By f Burrito large Coke zero just
you know, Mike, my consistent favorite menu items on the menu.
I'm boring, but I'm consistent. So to get back to
five hundred, your Taco Time pick of the week is.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
What no one ever called you boring, Saftie.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Plenty of people have trust me.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
We are going with an old assistant coach of mine.
He coaches for the Vanderbilt Commodores. Clarkley is his name.
Speaker 7 (34:25):
They are.
Speaker 10 (34:26):
I think a two and a half point favored over Missouri.
Game day is going to be there. The city of
Nashville will come a blaze with Commodore fever. And this
is like never happened before. They when they were favored
last week against LSU was the first time since the
late seventies they've been favored against an SEC team, and
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it was the first time against LSU they were favored
since nineteen forty seven. So I love what's going on.
And it's no accident that Diego Pappy is the real deal.
He gives them an edge. Give me the Commodores a
lay two and a half over Missouri.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Vanderbilt minus to two and a half against Missouri on Saturday,
All right, Rick, great stuff.
Speaker 10 (35:08):
But sprinkle a little on those cougar Sprinkle a little
on those cougo.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Just a little. I like it. I like it. A
little side action.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Rick, you're the man, great stuff and we're talking a
week bud, See you boy.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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he is the Pope of the pack, the bear to
the Big ten, the boss of the Big twelve, and
the give me something that starts with an A with
an A, the astronaut of the acc whatever, John Wilner
joins us right now. I can think it's something else
for to be inappropriate, joins us right now on the radio.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Show, is that the first thing that came to mind
for me.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Just whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I just froze after that, a little bit loopy. How
are you man, I'm good, That's what your phone just
sounded like. Now let's try to get John how.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Are you good? Things? How you guys much better?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, let's uh, let's talk about first of all, what
we saw last Saturday. You dubbed Michigan. We haven't had
you on since that game. We're going to preview of
the game tomorrow with Illinois. But my god, man, Jed
Fish and you dubb tied at seven and a half,
and they got a great shot in the second half
to get a really nice win for the programming in
the offense, and DeMont Williams just fell apart man in
the second half of that game, soll apart.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I mean, it was a lot like the use of
the Ohio State game. Frankly, in both instances, the offense
didn't really do anything in the second half, and Michigan
confused Williams and you know, they can't get Jonah Coleman going.
I can't remember the last time he had a big game.
It was probably maybe Colorado State or you see Davis.
(02:02):
But I think a lot of it starts there other
teams are basically loading up to stop Coleman and they're
gonna dare Williams to beat them from the pocket, and
the good against the good defenses, he hadn't really been
able to do that.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, that's leading me into the next question, John, excellent
job there. I mean, how worried should we be that
when he plays at Penn State in Oregon in a Michigan,
Ohio state he just doesn't look the same? Should be
worried or should we remind ourselves he's nineteen years of
age too.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Yet, I think that's important thing to keep in mind
for sure, And the fact that you know, he played
so well last year and there was a lot of
hype and then the huge game. Early on, he's shown
so many flashes of what he can be that it's
easy to kind of get to forget that he has
a big learning curve, especially against the best defenses in
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the Big Ten. And you know, we saw what happened
against Rutgers, but that is just so misleading. Rutgers defense
is terrible now. Fortunately for the Huskies, you know the schedule,
there's some real winnable games and some mediocre defenses coming up.
But certainly, it seems like they are a big step
away from being able to execute well enough to beat
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the best teams in the conference.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, it really feels like this game tomorrow against Illinois
is kind of the difference between maybe an eight win
season and potentially a ten win season if they can
get a bowl win. By the way, So we'll talk
about tomorrow in a second, But John, go back to Jorona,
Cooma for a second. He has not had one hundred
yard game in his last seven Big Ten games going
back to last year.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Are we good?
Speaker 7 (03:42):
We're good?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Somebody talking to John in three?
Speaker 7 (03:45):
I gotcha?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Oh right, yo.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I don't know what's going on here, man, We're not
paying our phone bill properly. He has not had a
one hundred yard game and seven consecutive Big Ten games
going back to last year. He's averaging three and a
half yards per carry in Big Ten games this season.
And I guess you know, Dick and I were kicking
this around the other day. Do we just chalk that
up to injuries to the offensive line because a lot
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of people thought, hey, man, Jodah Coleman is a beast,
doesn't matter, he'll be able to find yards. No, matter
where they are, he's that good and we're finding out
it's not happening like that.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I think some of.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
It is the injuries, and some of it is just
the offensive line. Especially last year it didn't seem like
it was up to the standard of an elite Big
ten offensive line. So, you know, I think it's a
combination of things, all of which start up front. And certainly, again,
if you're a defensive coordinator and you're seeing that, you
know there's a freshman quarterback, there's a lot of things
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you can do to kind of get Washington off schedule,
out of sync, and the injuries up front are just
adding to that.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
All right.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
John Softy teased it the Dogs or the dog tomorrow
at Husky Stadium.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
You know, I think Illinois is not nearly as good
as Ohio State, obviously, but way better than Rutgers and
better than Maryland. I think it's gonna be in doubt
with five minutes to go, but I also think Washington
will find a way to win. What's the line right
now for I think I'd probably take the Huskies, but
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I do think it will be close. This is not
gonna be like their previous home games against Rutgers and
the non conference it's gonna be tight.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yeah, did you change your mind on that?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
By the way, because you had in the paper you
had plus four point five and this is a different
John Wilner writing in the Seattle Times.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I don't even remember what I wrote. Did I pick Illinois?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, plus four and a half. You didn't say that that.
You did not specify whether they would win or not.
You just picked plus four and a half.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Oh yeah. I mean, I've been going back and forth
because I do think it's gonna be close. And the
fact Illinois had two weeks to get ready is a
big deal. The fact that the Huskies are coming off
a bruising game and are banged up is a big deal.
And Illinois has got you know, they've got a competent
offense at a good quarterback. So I think this is
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going to be a challenging game for the Huskies. But
you know, it's one of those deals where you score
with three minutes to go and you cover a four
point spread.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, we keep basking you every single week if you
CLA is for real and UCLA just keeps winning. I mean,
Penn State, Michigan State, Maryland now they got Indiana and
I got I kind of feel like UCLA can win
by losing if they.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Just cover that spread.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
People might be impressed by UCLA this weekend against Bloomington.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
So are in Bloomington.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Is this where the UCLA train flies off a clifford?
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Does it keep charging?
Speaker 6 (06:45):
I don't think they're going to win the game, But
keep in mind the teams you just rattle off. Michigan
State winless in the Big Ten, Maryland I think is
one in three, and Penn State is winless. Those teams
are one and eleven in conference play. UCLA has not
beaten anybody that's good. Well, they played Northwestern close in
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the first game with the interim coach, but they've been
beaten up on the bad teams in the Big Ten,
and there's actually a fair amount of bad teams in
the Big Ten. The bottom of the conference is terrible.
But I do think that they will play pretty well.
But it's hard for me to see them winning a
game outright in Bloomington, Indiana. I was in Eugene and
they just took it to the Ducks at the line
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of scrimmage. And if you can do that to Oregon,
you could certainly do it to UCLA.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Well, John, Obviously, sports gambling is in the news this week,
there's no question about it. And we haven't gotten a
chance to ask you since the D one Council approved
gambling on pro sports for college athletes. Your thoughts on
that and if D two and D three are going
to fall suit.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
YEP announced that the day before the NBA scandal. If
I'm not mistaken, it was Wednesday, and that had been
something This is a long time coming, and the NCAA
and its membership have been discussing the gambling issue for years,
and especially what they should do about the pro sports situation.
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And I think what they're doing is actually the smart,
proactive move, because there's no way they were going to
stop kids from gambling on the NBA or the NFL
or whatever it is. If you put if you make
it legal, you're bringing sunshine to the problem and you
are allowing you are allowing the oversight mechanisms to do
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their job, both the casinos themselves and also the firms
like US Integrity that have partnered with the conferences and
are tracking for improper bets.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, and here's the issue, and this was brought up
by somebody I know in the industry, in Ky's athletics,
who said the fear that a lot of administrators have
is that when you allow eighteen nineteen twenty year old
kids to gamble on sports, if they get in trouble
and they owe somebody money, what's the easiest way they
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can pay them back by influencing a game. They have
that ability, Unlike Joe Q Public and some nineteen year
old in college, is that a concern of yours? John,
that if these kids make mistakes, and let's face it,
they're still kids and they get involved with the wrong people,
they'll be asked to pay it back by throwing games.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
I think that's a legitimate fear. But I also don't
know that that issue didn't exist before, right right, I mean,
kids have been gambling. We had that issue with it.
What was it Iowa or Iowa State had all those
kids that were caught. I just think the oversight mechanisms
are really good and should pick up on most of
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that stuff. But I think it's inevitable, and it would
have been inevitable to me even if the NCAA had
not legalized it. And quite frankly, I think there's a
better chance of them catching stuff now that they've made
the move they have.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Good Good John tell us about the latest in the
Mountain West PAC twelve case and heat it up again today.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Well, yeah, the Mountain West file the counter claim. It's
mostly procedural role. But what they're saying is the PAC twelve,
Washington State, Oregon State in the conference office.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
You know, they.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Maneuvered behind the scenes to undermine and disrupt the Mountain
West and so they're you know, they are claiming the
PAC twelve should be uh losing court on a certain
couple accounts. I don't know that that's gonna that that's
gonna hold up, to be honest, The big thing is
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that this case is gonna go for a long time.
It's gonna go well into next year. And so to me,
are the presidents gonna want to go through the discovery process?
Are the presidents gonna want to pay these attorney fees
for the next year? And is the Mountain West gonna
want to Are the schools gonna want to wait not
knowing if they're gonna get the money that's and promised.
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I think there's going to be a settlement, would be
in my guests in the next couple months.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
John Wilder is with us.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You know, guys, it's funny you kind of realize all
of a sudden that five weeks from tomorrow is the
last game of the regular season.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I mean it's going to be over. In five weeks
is the Oregon game.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So it goes by very fast, and when the offseason comes,
there's going to be a lot of topics that we've
been hitting on, like the one that Dick just brought up,
like the gambling stuff, and like this private equity deal
on the Big Ten that can we now officially say
that Michigan USC have killed this thing.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
It's dead for today. What's the latest on that. I
don't think it's dead.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I think it is taking a nap now. Whether it
wakes up or not, and what form it takes when
it does wake up, I don't know. Tony Batiki, the
Big Ten commissioner, is very frustrated that this deal got
squashed by the two schools. Didn't expect that to happen.
They thought it was going to pass. So they are
working behind the scenes to come up with an alternate
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version that might be acceptable to Michigan and USC. There
has been talked it would go forward without the Wolverines
and Trojans on board, which to me is comical that
they could even think that right. So we'll see, but
they want to get it done, and there's a lot
of schools in the conference that want to get it done,
including the Huskies. I am not convinced it's the right
(12:15):
move for Washington. I understand why the Huskies are considering it,
but I do think that there's some risks to it
for sure, and it would it would involve if it
goes to US as scheduled, Washington would end up on
a tier below Oregon with the revenue.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Well, and you kind of brought up right there. First
of all, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I'm surprised that this thing got out before everybody was
on the same page.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
That's number one, and then number two.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Robert Jones, as the new president, came over coincidentally enough
from Illinois, by the way, and he was on the
air with US two weeks ago on our pregame show,
and I asked him flat out if he would vote
for something like this, the private equity deal, and he
wouldn't answer it.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
He just refused to answer.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
And so look, we heard Michigan and USC through the media,
we're against it. Can you now confirm with us that
Washington is for this equity deal.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
I have been told by somebody who knows that it
was sixteen to two wow, And so that my understanding
is that Washington is in favor of The Huskies are
in a unique situation within the eighteen team conference because
like Oregon, they are getting half shares of revenue. Unlike Oregon,
they don't have Phil Knight, and they have a lot
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of stadium debt, a ton of it. So then you
add on the revenue sharing and if you're Washington, you
could see, you know what this this infusion of one
hundred and ten million dollars will help us on a
lot of fronts to compete. The other thing is they're
extending the grand of rights to twenty years. It would
lock all eighteen schools in together for twenty years. I
(13:52):
think Washington also feels like that is attractive because they
would have stability before you're trading away a lot of stuff,
a lot of future flexibility. And I think it is
on the whole for the big ten. I think it's
a bad deal for the biggest brands, Ohio State, Michigan, USC,
(14:12):
Penn State. I think it's a terrible deal for Washington.
I'm kind of on the fence. I can see the
case for but I could also see the case against John.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
What are the odds of a Saudi investment in college
football and more specifically the Big Ten Conference?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Right?
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Well, I mean the Big Ten is kind of its
sole is for sale in some regards. Right, Saudi comes
in with two point four billion, and maybe they're paying
the Big Ten championship over there? You know, I go, well,
I do think that, I do think that that at
some point there's gonna be foreign investment in college athletics.
(14:51):
I don't know if it will be Saudi Arabia, and
I don't know when it's gonna happen, but it will happen.
I mean, this is part of the Big Ten deal.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Right.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
The firm that would make the investment is part of
the University of California. It's the pension fund. But after
fifteen years they're able to sell their ten percent stake.
And one of the questions nobody knows is sell to Who?
Could they sell to the Saudis, Could they sell to
private equity? Could they sell to the NFL? That's one
(15:20):
of the questions. You know, the public does not know
what are the parameters for this fund in terms of
exiting the deal?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
All right, Doc Fans, Dave Satia, Maither, Gregor Lewis, Mario
Bailey live from King Fod Stadium in Riodd, Saudi Arabia
for today's Big Ten Championship between you dub and Ohio State.
This is husky football from Liarlefield, like freaking crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Go to that.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Absolutely all right, John, You got a winner last week
with a Windo Laurean. You nailed Oregon, just kicking the
snot at a Rutgers. So you're five and three on
the air so far this year. Not a bad start
after eight games. The Windo Lai and his back again
walk on the proper path and we're gonna stay on
(16:04):
the winning road.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Who do you like this week? John?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
The trend is my friend here. I will take the
Bruins in Bloomington.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
And I think it is twenty five twenty.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Twenty six and a half. You're getting Woo.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
I'll take them. Here's the thing. UCLA is five and
oh against the spread in Big Ten games in the
Eastern and Central time zones. They're the only one of
the four West Coast schools that hasn't lost. USC hasn't
won a game against the spread. Washington hasn't won a
game against the spread. The Bruins are perfect five and
oh over the last season and a half in the
(16:39):
eastern half of the country.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
So basically you should have new Heizel tell his boy
Mick Cronin on the basketball team, I'm starting plane.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, this is how it's done pretty much. Boy.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
We've seen the statue of Liberty twelve times.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
All right, John, great stuff, and we'll talking actually on Tuesday.
All right, man, all right, John Will whose phone just
always lasts every time? Right, eighteen minutes and thirty seconds,
and the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
When you put the quarter in you'll only get nineteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, Ucla, he likes UCLA and the points against Indiana.
I'm gonna break Rick new Heisel, by the way, speaking
of that, will join us around six forty or so
tonight on ninety three three KJRFM, Now.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
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your home for the NFL Sports Radio ninety three point
three KKNR FM.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
All right, we have multiple polls that we have to
check here before Rick new Heiseel joins us on the
radio show. First one that we threw out this morning,
do you plan on watching the World Series? Seventy seven
percent so far have voted. Anybody want to guess? No,
(17:53):
Seventy seven to twenty three percent will not watch the
World Series in Seattle. I am really curious to see
what the ratings look like for this in our market.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I think if you were to do that every year
in Seattle, it would probably be about seventy seven percent.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Yeah, but even more so this year, don't you think.
I think it's jumped about ten percent.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I guess the question would be this,
do you think after the Mariners lost to Toronto that
more people will watch the World Series?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I think there are some people that will spite watch
the World Series and just want the Dodgers to kick
the Blue Jays ass.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well, that's what we're all hoping for. Two nothing Dodgers.
By the way, that's the fourth from the Rodgers Center
in Toronto.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Blake Snell all right, whole number two of three. Richard
Sherman said last night in the broadcast that the Hawks
are a legitimate Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Yes, is he right? Yes? You want to update the poll,
I will update the poll.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Up the pole.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Sixty nine sixty nine percent say yes, which I actually
I think is a pretty high number.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
I'm shocked by that.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
The pessimistic Seattle sports fans sixty nine percent think that
their Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I wonder if Seahawk fans just see what Geno Smith
and Russell Wilson are doing right now and think.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Oh, maybe we are better off, right.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I think maybe we are better off with with Sam
Darnold versus those guys. And I've said it before, I'll
say it again. Not that I'm bringing a new take
to the show here, but I think it's amazing what
Snyder's done, jumping off the Russell wagon at the exact
right time, the Geno wagon at the exact right time,
the Jackson Smith, the Jigma stuff that Millan talked about earlier.
(19:31):
Is kind of intriguing that, hey, look, this may not
be sustainable, right, Like, you've got ten games left to go,
you got more than sixty percent of the season left
to go. You might need to develop another offensive weapon
besides number eleven.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
No, there's no question about it. And I think they're
still good enough with that defense to win eleven games
even if you don't run the ball right and you
don't find a second weapon. I think that's the baseline
now for the Seahawks. If you can find a second
up and get it to like four point two four
point three yards per kid, yeah, you could win thirteen games.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
The craziest thing, dude, is that they're five and two
and they only need to go three and seven the
rest of the way to get the over, which was
at seven and a half, they got to win one
game a month for the rest of the way to
get the over. It is like taking candy from a
sleeping baby. It is unbelievable how easy money that was
(20:26):
when that came out.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
That and the Vikings that and the Vikings Under. I mean,
we're gonna we're gonna be eating well for a while.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
The Viking, yeah, I mean, the Vikings Under. It is
all dependent on what they get from their quarterback. But
the Seahawks feels like a lock. It's over, right, it's
over already, A right, one more update on the pole,
All right, hang on this second. I got I got
away from the little page. I was doing something else.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I updated on I would not trade Sam Darnold unless
I got this many first round picks. Yeah, okay, one, two,
three or four. There is a runaway winner and that
is two.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I wish you would have had. No trade is one
of your options?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Well there's only four options on Twitter.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
This is why I don't want to watch this freaking game.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
You kidding me?
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Will you turn that off?
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Ye?
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Son of a bitch, I turn it on. It's two
to two, unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I would like to let everybody know Softy turned the
game on when I went because Jackson told me the
game on.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I blame you, Jackson, all right, I'm like a child.
I can't be trusted with the remote control. Do not
let me have ay, He's like, I don't want to
watch it. I don't want to watch it.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I don't. I go to the past run and I
come back and you've turned it off.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
That is why I want to watch the affent thing.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
God darn it, the freaking beady eyed Canadians going bananas
in toront I don't want to see that crap.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
I'm sorry. What was the number?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Last run away was two? So eighteen percent said one. Yeah,
forty six percent said two, yeah, sixteen percent said three,
twenty percent said four.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well, look, I mean he's uh, he's obviously I think,
proving a lot of people wrong. He's winning over a
lot of fans, there is no question about that. And
it'd be so different if he was thirty three or
thirty four, right, but he's twenty eight years old like
he is it possible that they have really truly found
their quarterback of the future and a guy who's gonna
get a second contract from the Hawks. Rick Neuheisel will
(22:14):
join us next.
Speaker 9 (22:21):
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Now with Rick Neuheisel, here's SOFTI and Ditch.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I'd like to point out, by the way, before we
start talking college football games this weekend, that Rick new
Heiseel is now riding a three game winning streak. Boys
and Girls came through with tempo in a big way,
given the points over Charlotte hammering them this weekend. He
began the year one in five, is now crawling back
to a game under at four and five on the year,
and he's won three in a row.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
How about that, coach? How about that run? Baby?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
How about me starting the show giving you full credit
like I promised.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
At a boy, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you.
Let's let's not talk about it. Let's just see if
we can keep it going.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Done, done done, All right, Well, let's go back first
of all, before we talk about this Saturday's game and
all the action happening this weekend. Man Rick, the Dogs
were right there, seven to seven at halftime against Michigan.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
You know what it's like to coach in that stadium.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
The last two times I was there with you back
in two thousand and two and then went with Jimmy.
You know, just a couple of years ago, things didn't
go so well. They didn't go well again to mont
Williams comes out and throws three picks in the second
half and the Huskies lose again to the Wolverines. I mean,
how do you explain the offense just melting down on
the second half like that.
Speaker 10 (23:57):
Yeah, it was absolutely a tough, tough second half for
the Dogs. Listen, at the end of the day, it
comes down to turnovers. You can't turn it over. It's
an old cliche, it's coach speak.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
One oh one, But when you turn the ball.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
Over and give short fields, you're in the harm's way,
especially when.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
You get a crowd involved.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
And you know that's a tough place to play anytime,
as you know having been there with the team on
a couple of occasions. But to win, you have to
make those plays and you've got to cause those turnovers,
and that's just wasn't to be on that particular Saturday.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
How much of a concern should there be in DeMont
Williams when the competition steps up. I mean, through three
interceptions against Michigan, they scored seven points. They scored six
against OSU. Last year, they scored six against Penn State
when he played half that game. I mean, how much
how much concern should there be because he is a
smaller quarterback and that's first interception certainly was because he
(25:03):
was short and he couldn't see the guy cutting across
the middle.
Speaker 10 (25:06):
You know, that's always going to be an issue. That's
something he can't control. I think that, you know, if
I were in the play caller's position, i'd move him
a little bit more, give him some free opportunities to
look down the field without that big pocket in front
of him. But at the day's end, I still think
(25:29):
he's one of the really talented guys out there. And
when you play against these really talented fronts, which Ohio
State and Michigan both are, it's not as easy to
make the kind of you know, jaw dropping moves that.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
He makes against the rest of his teams.
Speaker 10 (25:45):
So if you get comfortable living off of that, you're
going to have problems when it's not there for you.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, Rick new Hazel with us and Rick is not
very often that we talk FCS football on this segment
with you, But were you tracking what your old special
teams coach Bobby Hawk is going back and forth with
this week with Sacramento State before the big game with
Montana Friday night?
Speaker 7 (26:07):
How about that.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
There's some there's some talk huh big, clearly shocking knowing
Bobby like I know it, Well, where.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Is that coming from?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Is that because Dick and I were surmising on the air, Well,
this is just them trying to drum up this broadcast
on ESPN two, which they've done because I'm gonna go
watch the game tomorrow night.
Speaker 10 (26:27):
I don't know where it comes. You know, Brendan Mary
and the head coach at sax State. It used to
be Troy Taylor, who was a GA of mine when
I was coaching at Colorado. Troy went to Stanford and
got let go this year for some kind of crazy reasons,
and I know he's.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Suing the school and so forth.
Speaker 10 (26:46):
Uh, Bobby and I have been together a long time now.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
That's Ben and Mary and at Sacramento State.
Speaker 10 (26:53):
And he's the guy that wouldn't pay that Matthew Seluca
at UNLB last year when Seluca said I'm not playing anymore.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
Yes, that's the same guy.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
So he didn't have much to say on that topic.
So maybe he just is tired of not talking. He
wants to talk now.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Rick, the beloved Bruins are on a three game winning
streak and they're rolling into Indiana to take on the
undefeated Hoosiers.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Sigh.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Is there an upset waiting for Jerry Newheizel's greatest win
of his career. If he can get that one twenty
six points, that seems like a big number to lay for.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
The climb from twenty four and a half to twenty
six and a half. Yeah, so what did the guys
in Dumb and Dumber say? So you're saying there's a chance.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
Yeah, that's exactly where we are.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
You know.
Speaker 10 (27:39):
I heard Urban Meyer talk about how you win a
game of this kind where you're big underdog, and he says,
you don't talk about winning, You talk about making a
five yard gain on this play and pushing the pile.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
So you get a three.
Speaker 10 (27:52):
Yard game on this play. And now it's third and
two and you convert, and all of a sudden, you
break a tackle and there's a twelve yard game. And
the next thing I know, you're down there in the
red zone and somebody makes a great catch and you
play like that. And this is going to be a
party in Bloomington for all the people who've been waiting
for this forever. This is the losing this program in
(28:14):
the history of college football. And yet now they have
the bellow the ball in Kurt Signetti. He just got
a ninety six million dollar raise. You can imagine how
the signetti. Confetti's going to be flying all over the place.
So how you win this game? It is what I
told Marcus and all those guys, is we're going to
make him in about the third quarter look up and go,
(28:35):
wait a minute, we're only ahead by three, or we're
behind by three, and they'll wake up and they'll get
into it. But instead of being raucous, they're going to
be nervous. And that's how you strike. Anyway, it sounded
good when I told the.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
Kid, Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Well, Rick new Hazel's with us, and Rick two weeks
ago is James Franklin. Last week it was Billy Napier.
Two schools are going to spend about seventy million dollars
to get rid of their coaches. So I guess the
question is where does Florida now go from here? And
should Husky fans even be thinking about Jed fish in
that regarding Gainesville?
Speaker 10 (29:10):
You know, having spent time with Jed this summer, I
know he loves it in Seattle, so I would if
he were to get interested in that job, it would
be something I would be surprised by. Obviously, it's where
he went to school, so it's an easy you know,
connection to make. But he's made most of his life
(29:32):
at least as the head coach on this side of
the country, on the west side of the country, and
so I think that he's probably very much in the
long haul. He may want to talk to the ad
about an extension should the thing gets heated up, which
is probably what Lane Kiffin's going to do at Ole
miss Right. But I mean this is the leverage limbo
(29:53):
that is the agent's world. Jimmy Sexton and all the
different guys out there are are working the phones trying
to make.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Deals because it's not just for the guy who.
Speaker 10 (30:04):
Gets the job, it's for all the guys that got
their name in the paper about the job.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Rick, what do you make of the fighting a line?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
They've been blown out twice by.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
The two really good teams they face, but they have
an impressive win over a USC So what type of
team are we going to see coming into Montlake on Saturday.
Speaker 10 (30:22):
I think it's a little bit different than what you
would expect from Brett Beelman teams. I don't see them
as overly physical. I see them you know, you're able
to run the ball. They've given up a number of
games over two hundred yards on the ground. I see
this as but their quarterback is their key. Luke Altmeyer
(30:44):
is a player. I think he has at least six
come from behind victories, maybe seven. He had five coming
into the year, which was the most of any returning quarterback,
and he did it again against sc and maybe another time.
So that's the key that the defense is going to
have to keep an eye on Altmeyer and make sure
(31:05):
they corral him if they're going to have success against Illinois.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well, we talked about, you know, the travel in this conference,
and God, it just still feels like it's a thing, man,
that people are still kind of trying to figure this out.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I guess my question is how long is this going
to be a freaking topic for because I'm getting kind
of sick and tired of talking about it. You know,
Lincoln Riley talking about it, Franklin was talking about it.
Mick Cronin basketball coach at UCLA. We've mentioned that to you,
talking about is this still a thing or is this just.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
An excuse that coaches like to keep in their back pocket.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
Well, it's not a thing if you did it once
and maybe twice, But the hangover and what you get
in practice when you come back and you're missing some
sleep or your timing is off. The practices aren't his crisp,
and so you go into games with less confidence and
(31:59):
it just has a residual effect. And it's justif part
and parcel of the you know, the four West Coast
schools being a part of the Big Ten, and you know,
whether you're going to the Midwest, you're going all the
way across to the East Coast.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
It is problem now. You do everything you can to
use the science and you know, but they're school involved
and it something's got to give.
Speaker 10 (32:23):
And that's why I hope someday we get back to
divisions in these conferences so there's.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Less of it.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
Twice a year would be okay, four times a year?
Is it a little overwhelming?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well, Rick, I got a factor fiction pick to make
in a couple of minutes, and I looked at this
Wazoo Toledo game in Pullman, and I'm like, what am
I missing here? The Kugs are one and a half
point underdogs to the Rockets. What is what is Toledo
bringing into Pullman?
Speaker 7 (32:50):
Nobody is paying attention to? Is it? Zeb echa Yev.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, yes, zeb.
Speaker 10 (32:56):
No one's paying attention to that guy. He almost pulled
up to unbelievable upsets. They were at Oh Myths and
got within a field goal of that game, having the
lead for much of it. And then at Virginia, who's
only got one loss and is you know, kind of
the darlings of the ACC right now. They win, they
have a safety late in the.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
Game that ends up costing them that game. This kid
is really good.
Speaker 10 (33:22):
I loved zebbe Eckhouse in Washington State this week especially.
Are we gonna get any weather in Pullman, Little ram
but it shouldn't be bad, not as bad as Seattle.
And remember those those teams in the MAC are not
traveling it to kind of lush accommodations that those those
power schools are traveling with.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
I love the Cougars in this spot.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I love it all right. Well, let's get to it then,
because this is the big one. This is the moment
that all of us have been waiting for. We can
get back to five hundred rick with our Taco Time
pick of the week. I'm gonna go with a Chicken
soft taco Chris By f Burrito large Coke zero just
you know, Mike, my consistent favorite menu items on the menu.
I'm boring, but I'm consistent. So to get back to
five hundred, your Taco Time pick of the week is.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
What no one ever called you boring, Saftie.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Plenty of people have trust me.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
We are going with an old assistant coach of mine.
He coaches for the Vanderbilt Commodores. Clarkley is his name.
Speaker 7 (34:25):
They are.
Speaker 10 (34:26):
I think a two and a half point favored over Missouri.
Game day is going to be there. The city of
Nashville will come a blaze with Commodore fever. And this
is like never happened before. They when they were favored
last week against LSU was the first time since the
late seventies they've been favored against an SEC team, and
(34:47):
it was the first time against LSU they were favored
since nineteen forty seven. So I love what's going on.
And it's no accident that Diego Pappy is the real deal.
He gives them an edge. Give me the Commodores a
lay two and a half over Missouri.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Vanderbilt minus to two and a half against Missouri on Saturday,
All right, Rick, great stuff.
Speaker 10 (35:08):
But sprinkle a little on those cougar Sprinkle a little
on those cougo.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Just a little. I like it. I like it. A
little side action.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Rick, you're the man, great stuff and we're talking a
week bud, See you boy.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
Take cards.
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