November 20, 2025 • 50 mins
In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain discuss the honor coming for Randy Johnson in 2025 at T-Mobile Park, talk to Rick Neuheisel about UW and college football, share a Fact or Fiction pick, then cover the Seahawks with Mike Holmgren at 520 B&G.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Where we go.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Mike Holmgren will be here as well, by the way,
on the radio show in person live from the five
twenty Bar and Grill at three forty five this afternoon. Well,
Memphis lost ba Okay, they lost all right, So Rick
did not cover.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
He did not cover. He's a big loser yet again.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Oh and Memphis had a big lead too. He's gonna
complain about.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
He's our Memphis had this double digit lead, all right. Well,
he's one and two in his last three games. It
means it's time to buy the dip. Great chance to
jump on board with with Rick new Heiseel. So anyway,
Mike Homgrin joining us at three forty five and four
o'clock before cracking hockey pregame three thirty face off at
four o'clock. Excuse me, five o'clock from Chicago this afternoon.
But the Mariners again today announcing, as you heard in
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the update there, that Randy Johnson will have his number
fifty one retired in a pregame ceremony on the second
of May. I think they should have done it on
the first of May because that would have been five
to one for fifty one. Just another example of how
the Mariner marketing people have no idea what the hell
they're doing, and they should listen to me because I
have all the good ideas. I mean, again, like I
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said in the update, I'm certain it's because it's a Friday.
They want this thing on a Saturday. But hey, good
for Randy Johnson. And now we're starting to get a
little history here, right, you were not growing up? We
had nothing. There were no Mariner retired numbers. The only
retired number I think we had in town for a
pro team was number twelve with the Seahawks, and that
was it.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
That's right. I've got an even better idea than doing
it on May first, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
May threw it in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Oh no, all right, May first, twenty twenty seven is
a Saturday. Okay, they could have waited one more year.
I had it on five to one.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Maybe Randy's like, hey, you can do it for each
uro first, but i'd better damn well be the following season.
I have no idea why they're doing it this year.
I think it's great though that he's getting his number retired.
No problem with it whatsoever. There's a lot of people
that probably could have argued that maybe Randy should have
had his number retired before each Euro, right, But I
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get it. I think each Row is kind of more
of a Mariner now than Randy is. I think I
think I think that Dick. I mean, I love Randy Johnson.
I don't like the way an end to with Randy Johnson.
I think Randy Johnson became a absolute lock for the
Hall of Fame when he went to Arizona. He was
probably a Hall of Famer when he left Seattle, but
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he definitely became a Hall of Famer when he went
to Arizona.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
He certainly did. I'm one of those that thought Randy
should have gotten honored before each RO. I feel like,
even though Randy was here a much shorter time than
Eachro was, I have far more big time memories of
Randy Johnson as a Seattle Mariner that does well.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
That's because he well, probably because he had better talent
around him. Yeah, right, I mean, Eachiro, can we both
agree at least did everything he could do to help
the Mariners while he was here.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Except a home runs, right, but which he said he
could every time the play.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But that also wasn't his Forte. I mean, are we
literally sitting here saying that if Eachiro would have hit
more home runs, the Mariners would have made three or
four playoff appearance. No, because the offense around each course terrible.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So like, I mean, one.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Of the worst in baseball history statistically, that twenty ten
team was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Because I just I just wonder if each Euro had
better talent around him when he was in Seattle, he
would have more playoff appearances, he would have more big
opportunities for big moments, and we'd be sitting here saying, God,
remember all those great moments each Euro had. Instead, we're
sitting here talking about all the great moments that Randy
Johnson had. I mean the two that obviously stand out,
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I mean three of them. Really the perfect game against
the Tigers. I think it was right Detroit hit the
no hitter against the Tigers. I was there, probably not
a perfect game. He had base runners all in that
game no hitter against the Tigers, and then the win
against the Angels where he's throwing his hands up in
the air, and then obviously Game five against the Yankees
when he came into the bullpen. That people kind of
tend to forget.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
He gave up the lead.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, but he pitched, he did, but they still gave
up the lead.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I mean, he was in line to lose the game
until Edgar Martinez saved his ass in what the eleventh inning,
whatever it was there.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
So I don't know, man, I mean, I'm I'm fired
up for this.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I just think it's for the younger generation to be
able to have all this history and start looking at
some actual history on the outfield wall versus us who
looked at plexiglass on the outfield wall. So I believe
this will now become the third team in baseball to
have a number retired for the same guy. Yankees did
it for Bill Dickey and Yogi Bear, the Cubs did
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it for Ferguson Jenkins and Greg Maddox, and now the
Mariners have done it for Randy Johnson and Echi rose Azuki.
So those are all some pretty damn big games.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
By the way, there's no question, and yeah, we're finally
starting to have a history. I do think it's kind
of cool. I've always thought it cool that you and
I are of the age where we are truly generation
one of the Seahawks and the Mariners, like we remember,
even though we don't remember like the first year they played,
we remember all the players that played, or most of
the players that played in the first couple of years,
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because they stayed six or seven years, and we remember
those guys. So I thought it's even though we didn't
have any history to build on, it was pretty cool that,
like we can say, yeah, we remember from day number
one basic of these two franchise.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Absolutely. Man, it means we're freaking old, by the way.
So we'll talk.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We'll talk about all this as the show goes on.
Mike Hombrian's gonna join us today at three forty five
here live from the Bar. We're gonna thoughts on what
happened against the Rams a week ago. We're going to
thoughts on the Titans game coming up on Sunday, where
I think most of us just expect the Seahawks to
go on the road and just take care of business.
I think it's going to be a lower scoring game
and the Hawk defense it's going to show up.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
My concern about the offense.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
If there is a concern, is that I can see
them getting up big and then just shutting her down
right like they've done in the Saints game and the
Cardinal game, and if they're up thirty five to three
at halftime, I totally get it. But the spread is
thirteen and a half. I know we took it for
factor fiction. The back door cover always concerns you with
a game like this, but I do wonder will this
be one of those games where the Seahawks will try
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and get their running game going, maybe kind of protect
Sam Darnold a little bit. The last thing you want
to do is get a guy hurt in this game
of significance. I don't even know if grays Abel is
going to play on Sunday. I would think that it
might make sense to sit the guy out and let
him have a day off, especially going down there and
playing on the road, But I just I don't know, man.
It's not very often that you see a football team
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go on the road and actually annihilate somebody and keep
going into the second half.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
And statistically they're better against the pass than they are
against the run. Tennessee. And I think, for the first
time all year, and I've not been able to say
this one time, Yeah, I feel like this is a
Ken ken Walker game, right for the first time all year,
because we were like, what's Ken's role? Is he a
fifty to fifty guy? Is he a sixty to forty guy.
We've had all these tough matchups against these tough defenses.
Now it appears like they've decided, all right, we might
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go a little closer to seventy thirty seventy five to
twenty five, which guys like you and I have been
screaming for all season long. And you put that together
with the defense that's one of the bottom ten in
the NFL in yards per rush all out at four
point seven. This should be a Ken Walker one hundred
yard game.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, somebody should have one hundred yards. They might think
it's Zach Charbonnat's turn. I have no idea where they
stand with this guy, Dick Well.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I mean the articles all week long from the guys
that are covering the team say that there Lean and
now ken Walker.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well, good, then do it right. I mean, I don't
know why they haven't done that for three weeks. I
mean Mike McDonald came out the other day and said,
you know, kenn is showing he deserves more carries.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Well, what's he shown that he doesn't deserve carries?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And what is Sharbonny's showing that he deserves carries. I mean,
I just think that they are way behind now. Maybe
this will then, you know, eventually, maybe this will prove
to be the right move, because what's the biggest problem
for Kenny Walker the last couple of years has been
him getting hurt. And we are now into late November
and he's healthy, and they got tread on the tire.
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The carries aren't there the way they normally are, right,
he's not getting as much run. Maybe they've played this
perfectly to just make sure that Kenny Walker down the
stretch is available. And all of a sudden, you look
at it. Man, the guy's averaging four and a half
yards of carry. He's eighteenth in the NFL and rushing,
He's three hundred and ninety four yards away from a
thousand yard season, which he easily could do in the
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final seven games of the year if he ends up
being healthy towards the stretch run. We might look back
at this and say, maybe they kind of played it
pretty damn good. I don't know, it could be, I mean,
or we can look back and say, if you would
have just given him the ball twenty times every single game,
he would have given you this every single game. Right,
There's really no way to prove which one, but I
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think you're right he is. He's obviously fresher at this
point of the season than he has ever been because
he only has one hundred and thirty six carries on
the season. This is a guy that could get twenty
carries a game the rest of the season. For the
first time since Week number two.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Last week he had one hundred total yards, and they
got him involved in the passing game. He had by
far his best receiving game, three catches for forty four yards.
I think we need to see more of.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That well the last twenty one games. He only has
one hundred yard game in the last twenty one. That's it,
going back to the second game of last year against
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Speaker 2 (09:30):
All right back here at the five twenty bar and grill.
Mike Homgre'm gonna join us next segment. He is here
by the way in person.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Baby.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
We'll do it live with Mike Holmgren coming up next,
Cracking hockey with the Blackhawks pre game four thirty face
off at five. But joining us right now on the
radio program, our friend Rick Neuheisel, who damn it Memphis
plus the points at East Carolina. You were on a
hot streak, my friend did not come through for us
last week six and seven overall, but have rebounded very
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nicely from the start of the year. But Memphis, they
failed us, Pal, they failed us.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
They had the twenty seven twenty four lead and gave
up the touchdown pass with like a minute left. Neat eyes.
The corners need to use their eyes. They were not
available there at that defense. But we live, we press
on and we're not afraid.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, we'll get a pick coming up from you in
a minute here. Why don't we start with our old
guy Sark in the news today says he's not going anywhere.
He's going to stay at Texas. All the other jobs
that are out there he doesn't want him. And I
was reminded by the way Rick of from a buddy
of mine. I think, Dick, you may have been on
the air when Sark went on with Mitch in the
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morning and said he wasn't going anywhere, and he took
the USC job later that morning, I believe is when
he walked out and took the USC job. So he's
said things like this before. Should we believe him now
that he's not leaving Texas?
Speaker 7 (11:00):
You know, it's up to you. I don't know what
coaches are supposed to say. I mean, he's literally, he's
literally trying to say that he's staying. I would be
shocked if he left. I mean, it's a ten point
eight million dollar deal, right, and it's the University of
Texas where you've got resources like nobody's, you know, business,
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it's a hard job to be to do better. Then.
I have no idea unless there's personal reasons that are
going on that none of us know about. But yeah,
I think he's going to be there. But it was
strange when Desmond Howard put out that video where he's
walking the trash out and talking about how Stark and
Texas are going to split ways, and Diana Russini had
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the pig breaking news. I guess it was the Vanderbilt
game that had him on the run. So where there's smoke,
there's fires. So we'll just see how much smoke there
really is.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Well, then the other big coach out there, Lane Kiffman,
and you've mentioned to us before that you think he
should stay and will say I think Joel Klatt raised
an interesting question yesterday. I saw him say that Ole
Miss is willing to match any offer that Lane gets.
So Joel's question was, if that is the case, then
why hasn't Lane signed a new contract with Old Miss
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if indeed he's staying there.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Well, I don't know that it's all about money, you
know this is I mean, Lane went on record as
saying it's not about money. I have a hard time
believing you. None of the Jimmy Sexton clients have re
upped with their teams the other day've all been told,
you know, basically, we're going to play this market. We're
going to increase the market increase your security. But I
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don't know what ole Miss is supposed to do here.
Ole Miss obviously wants the guy to stay. What do
they can't? Are they going to fire him? Do they
have to pay a buyout with if they fire him?
Because of Jimmy Sexton's language, in these contracts, you can
walk out and not have to pay any money back.
I don't have any idea what the leverage is for
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the universities based on the contracts that these guys are getting.
And listen, I've always been an advocate for coaches, but
this one seems a little bit one sided in the
other direction.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, well, how about the player's side of this man,
Because look, I'm all for player empowerment. I think kids
should be able to make money off their name. I
think if other adults are making money off kids, they
should be able to make money off their own damn name.
And so I love the fact the NCAA is allowing
this to happen. What I don't like, and maybe I'm
just old and crotchety, now, Rick, I don't like a
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kid that's on a football team in the middle of
November shopping himself around college football the way apparently Sam
Levitt is for Arizona State. I mean, it's kind of disgusting,
to be totally honest with you, that this kid was
on a playoff team a year ago, he got banged up,
and now he's got his people looking for a new
job while his football team is still playing.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
It's a massive turnoff. I think it's turning off a
lot of fans.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
What do you think, Well, it's it's troubling. I'm always
quick to say, don't hate the player, hate the game.
This is our fault. This is college football's fault. We
never saw into the crystal ball and saw what the
future held, and so this is all happening in real time,
and we're acting like a bunch of people who can't
make a decision because we're all trying to make these
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decisions by committee, and those who have the power are
unwilling to change the rules to make benefit the whole
when they don't think they necessarily are going to benefit
those with the money and the power. As I just said,
this is you know, we need to collectively bargain. We
need to wait till the season is over to talk
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to new coaches. The NFL does that. No one seems
to have a hard time, and everybody says they're racing
for this recruiting, Well, then move recruiting back. It was
a dumb idea to move it all the way up. Anyway,
do you realize in thirteen days we're having the signing
date and no one knows. And by the way, if
Lane Kiffins still at Ole Miss, he can sign that
class on December third and then take come with them
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to Florida or LSU. I mean, it's the damnedest thing
I've ever seen. And it's all because we can't sit
in one room and get organized. Make the signing class
again in February, even move it back another week in February.
Then once the season's over, you can talk to coaches,
so coaches can move and there can be but no
one can be contacted while you're still playing your season.
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And then move spring ball back into June, and move
the transfer portal to the end of the school years
where kids can actually finish a school year rather than
being whisked off to this other place. And this is
going to as long as we stay in this way,
you're going to be more upset about kids like Sam
Levitt because agents are in the transaction business and they're
just peddling their wares. That's all that's going on right now.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Wow, that is far too logical for college fool. Can
you just run college football? What are you doing with
us on the radio? Get the hell off of babe.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
It makes something of your life, will you? For good's sake?
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Man, I'm available?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Man uh Rick. You mentioned LSU there and in that monologue.
How marketable is Brian Kelly?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I probably not very right now, and it's a shame
because you know, this thing went so poorly, but there's
now concern about is he the kind of guy that
will work with an administration and all that stuff. He
kind of had a little bit of a tyrant kind
of motif going there when he's banging the table with
the media and all the different stuff. I obviously he's
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a gifted coach and had a great career. There's no
I don't think his career is over. But I won't
be shocked to see him sit a year and then
get back in.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Rick new Heisel with us courtesy of our friends at
Taco time talk to us about Oregon USC. I think
Husky fans obviously keeping an eye on that game for
a couple of reasons that what could impact start time
of our game with the Ducks next Saturday. And then obviously, look,
I mean it kind of like neither team and I'm
including Oregon in this that in that Tusome can afford
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another loss. Do you agree with that that both USC
and Oregon have a shot but they can't lose.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
I think I think you're dead right. I don't think
there's a quality win on the Oregon schedule, and it's
not anybody's fault other than it's been a poor year
in the Big Ten and too many teams and what
we thought was a classic win at Penn State has
fallen from grace. So the facts of the matter, as
I think, this is a playoff game, and it makes
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it a great game. Oregon comes in as the top
team rushing the football in the Big Ten and SC
comes in as the top team passing the football in
the Big Ten. So it's what gives Normally in this
kind of November weather in Eugene, you'd lean to the
to the running team. So it's going to be really
incumbent if SC is going to win, to play great
run defense, and whether or not they're up to that, well,
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we have to wait and see.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Rick. One of USC's two losses is to Notre Dame.
If they would have just played Toledo instead of Notre Dame,
they would be in the college football playoffs right now.
So doesn't you Notre Dame need USC a lot more
than USC needs Notre Dame. And doesn't that give Jen
Cohen a little.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
Leverage one hundred percent Notre Dame needs USC? And just
wait if Notre Dame keeps getting this, you know, this
free pass to the college football playoff as they're getting
this year despite losing two games to open the season,
one of which to Miami, who's sitting six spots behind him.
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And then then Hunter Eurosi, the new committee chair, gets
on television says, well, they're not in the same pool,
meaning that they aren't even being compared to one another,
and they're both sitting at eight and two and played
one another. It's incredible. It's an incredible situation. But Notre
Dame's you know, rock and roll and you know, all
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star kind of billing that they get as the rock
stars of college football is going to There's no question
that SC has the leverage in that deal. And I
think you're going to see the Big Ten and the
SEC start working a little leverage for favorable deals as
well for them to keep being allowed to be an
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independent in the college football playoffs.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well, I know you would have loved to have been
in Seattle last week for the Rose Bowl celebration.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Sat down with pictures, Softie, I saw the pictures. It
was so cool to see those guys and the bit
smiles on their faces.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Chad Ward almost fell over in a chair when he
sat down with us. By the way, Larry Triplett looks
the exact same, like he's five years old. And Marie
Shaw said, hello, all right, so a lot of guys
from that team.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
So good we're in town.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
But I know, I know you'd love to be at
the Rose Bowl at your alma mater on Saturday because
it could be the final regular season game ever and
it could be the last time the Huskies play a
game at the Rose Bowl for a long time, right,
I mean, especially a regular season game against UCLA. So
I guess my question to you is a former Bruin,
how emotional, how inspired do you think the crowd will
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be and the players will be to show up and
show out on Saturday? And then Nico did not play
a week ago. It looks like he may play Saturday.
How problematic is that for the Husky defense.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Well, Nico's the key to the offense. There's no question.
His ability, both with his arm and his legs are
the straw that stirs the drink for that offense. And
that's no secret. Fingers crossed that he'll play for the
sake of a great game. The Huskies are clearly the
favorite in this game because there's just not been enough
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consistency on either side of the ball at UCLA, and
for the Bruins to have any sort of chance, they're
going to have to corral Demon Williams. As for the crowd.
As for the crowd, I hope that we get a
nice crowd. You know, Bruin fans are a little fickle
at times with respect to if you're winning there in
if they're not winning, they kind of it's a long
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trip right twenty six miles to the Rose Bull from UCLA.
But fingers crossed that it'll be a fantastic game and
we'll wait and see who's the next guy at UCLA.
Hopefully you'll get the sport necessary to be successful.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Would you say, Softie were one and nine in our
last ten games down there against them against Ucla. Rick,
please explain that to me. Why better Husky teams, even
the ones that you coached to be back in nineteen
nine and nine, better Husky teams go down there and
lose to Ucla.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Why is that that overtime? Nightmare? God dang it. John
Anderson made the fifty six yard er. We're going to
the Rose Bowl, boys, if we just we just didn't
see the proper receiver. Marcus didn't practice all week. I
don't remember now.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Was that the week after the Arizona game, By the way,
when they brought the Roses out.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
He that's exactly right, they brought the Roses out. He'd
practiced no game, none at all, and we had that
long drive sealed the deal. Then he had to sit
the entire week the next week and just weren't sharp enough,
just weren't sharp enough, and unfortunately lost that one. Just nightmare.
But you know, I for years, UCLA has always looked
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forward to the Washington game as much as the sc
game because of the way Don James coached Washington and
the toughness that was exhibited by the Dogs. It was
a call to arms in every UCLA locker room prior
to that game that we are going to match the toughness,
and because of that, it just was a galvanizing deal.
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I remember coming up to Seattle and being on teams
that like in nicole stuff, it didn't matter. This was
tough guy stuff, just because of the respect that we
had for Coach James's the Husky teams.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
All right, before you go, it's time to get back
to five hundred. The entire menu was sitting there. You
just got to decide what you.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Want to eat.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Man, East Carolina ruined our week last week. Let's get
back in the win column. Taco Time Selection, I'm gonna
go with the spicy tater fries and the spicy ranch
and the cris beef burrito. Jackson's favorite with an old favorite.
Who do you like this week for your Taco Time
Pick of the.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
Week, I'm going to the Mountain West. I'm going to
take Dan Mullen's UNLB Rebels over Hawaii. They're only a
two point pick. Hawaii has been fantastic, give Timmy Chang
all sorts of credit, but it's another long road trip
and it's a critical game for the Rebels, So I'm
going to take Anthony Calandria and the reps to cover
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the two and a half.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
All right, UNLV minus the points against Hawaii on Saturday
in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
All Right, you're the man. Great stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Hey, we'll try to find a way to talk next
week before Turkey Day.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Appreciate this past, Rick.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
I look forward to it. Boys, we're coming down the stretch.
Always a blast.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
All right, Rick new Heisel with us. We got his pick.
Let's get Dick Fane's pick. Factor Fiction brackt you by
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Speaker 2 (24:29):
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Speaker 3 (24:37):
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Speaker 2 (24:38):
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Speaker 4 (24:42):
Oh? I love this I love this game. Aaron Rodgers
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the Bears have won three straight by five points or
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three straight by five points or less are twelve twenty
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me Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers getting two and
a half points.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Have we seen the weather, by the way for Chicago?
We looked at all? Is that a factor for anybody?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
You good?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
The Packers by the way, or see the Packers. The
Steelers actually have a couple of nice wins. They beat
the Patriots, they beat the Colts earlier this year, so
they're six and four, but a pretty strong six and
four and they're getting two and a half.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
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Speaker 2 (25:52):
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Speaker 5 (26:11):
Two things. First up, This slight chance of rain seven
mile an hour win for the game in Chicago's not
that bad. I would just say, Dick, are we sure
that Aaron Rodgers is going to be quarterbacking them? And
if he is, is he even close to fifty percent?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
And I'm I'm saying this is his left hand that's hurt.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Right, his left hand, he's got a raised as still left.
Riss Jackson, I will tell you this. I wrote this
down as one of my favorite picks on Sunday when
I thought Mason Rudolph was okay, good, okay good.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
What if it's Will Howard not? What if it's Skyler Thompson?
All Right, let's.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Go with a most due to lose team other mid
than maybe the Patriots in the entire league.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
All right, so Pittsburgh plus the two and a half
at Chicago is a selection. We are clinging to a
percentage points lead over Chucking Bucks, so we gotta get
we gotta get busy here.
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Speaker 3 (28:17):
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Speaker 1 (28:23):
Well, thank you, it's a coming at three forty five, Jackson, Thank.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
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Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Do you feel bad, poor Jackson? Not gonna have Christmas?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
No?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
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Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, no Christmas for Jackson Felts because Mike wanted to
grand Man to come in here early. Well, let's talk
about what we saw last Sunday. First of all against
the Rams, right, a lot of stuff to talk about.
The interceptions, the final drive of the game. Obviously, defense
I thought was great. Offense not so much obviously, but
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they did compromise themselves with the turnovers.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
What did you make of what you saw last Sunday, Mike.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Well, that was the key, David. You know, we've talked
about it before. You know, you look at the If
you look at the box score and notice the numbers,
you know, passing yards, all this kind of time of possession,
first down, you'd say which team won? If you didn't know,
you say, this team has to win. Yeah they lost.
Why because of the four interceptions. That's why you know
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they're they're against a really good team. The Rams are good.
So it was the heck of a game. I was
sorry that the Seahawks didn't win, but you know, it
just makes for another great game coming up against the Rams.
They'll probably decide things. It'll come right down to the wire.
But you can't look at and no one knows this
better than Sam Darnold. You know, you can't have a
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game like that. You can't throw four interceptions and think
it's going to come out good. You can't.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Well, Saftie texted me after the game, and I had
the exact thought that he had, which is always scary
when we agree on something. But and that was we
feel better about the Seahawks Super Bowl chances that loss
than we did before the game started, just about how
well they played other than the turnovers. Do you you
feel like Seahawk fans should be bullied by what they
saw in that game?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Well, you know what, you could look at it that way.
If you're the eternal optimist, you.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Know you're just a negative sob.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So yeah, you know what I mean. You know, I
played the position in four court. You know, my first
game in college as a college coach and BYU against
Georgia they won the national championship. Steve Young my first game,
I'm the new quarterback coach. Through six interceptions.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
He turned out to be okay.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That he turned out to be okay. He was so
so here's my thing, Sam will be okay.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Six picks.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, no, no, he wasn't very good.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
When we get.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I don't know that somebody had money on the game.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I was just trying to survive. I go, this is
going to be I'm going to be the shortest tenured
coach in BYU history.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah. Well, I remember asking you last week.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I'm looking through my notes from the Cardinal game at
all the moments in time where Sam Darnald had turnovers.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Remember that?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, And I asked you, Hey, you know, are you
okay with these turnovers if they come when you're up
thirty three to fifteen or what?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
He said?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Nope, absolutely not. Then he goes out and throws.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Four picks in very meaningful situations, every.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Single one of them.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Now, all of a sudden, guys, Sam Darnold's got seven
turnovers in two games, seven two fumbles and five interceptions.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Are you worried about his confidence?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
A little bit? When you have that many turnovers in
two games?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Maybe a little bit, but not a lot. You know,
I think, what has to happen? Though? What has to happen?
He's been playing very well, okay, and then but he
has the turnover? Is hurt right? Okay? Now when you're
playing a team in your head thirty five to nothing.
It doesn't matter. It never usually should matter. But like
in that game, that costs of the game. You have
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got to have a really good talk with Sam about this.
Why is it happening? What are you seeing? What are
you thinking? You know, and be honest, both of you,
be honest about what the situation is. Yeah, yeah, and say, listen,
you're doing great, We're counting on you. Nothing's changing, But
tell me about these plays, you know, and then and
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then see if we can fix it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Did you see a guy that had a problem handling
pressure on Sunday? Because his numbers against the Stafford's numbers
against the Blitz are very good. Sam's numbers against the
Blitz are not very good. And I think a lot
of people would say that they provided some kind of
a blueprint. Now you gotta be able to execute the blueprints.
Did you see though, a RAM team that provided a
blueprint on how to get to this guy?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, I think it proved to your point, which is
real that under pressure, some quarterbacks handled it better than others.
And right now, based on that game, he didn't handle
it very well. Yeah, And you know, when when you're
teaching the quarterback about a particular play, he has to
know before the snap of the ball where his problems are.
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If this happens, these are all going on in a second,
second and a half. Where do I go with the ball.
But if I'm winding up holding it too long and
I'm feeling pressure, I don't throw it. I take the
sack or throw it into the ground. Live for another
day because the worst thing that can happen happened. And
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on those four throws, well, it's.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Clear that he's unfazed after throwing interceptions because he just
keeps chucking. He doesn't go into a shell. Is that
a good trait for a quarterback to have or a
bit of a worrisome trait for a quarterback to have?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Well, you know, people, when you look at it, you saying,
he it does seem to bother him because he just
keeps going. I think that you have to find out why.
It's why you got to know why it happened. What'd
you see? Do you see him open? Were you late?
You know where you're feeling the pressure? What about to
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play all these things and get and be honest. Heck,
just let's be honest on the table. I remember talking
to Brett fav and I've told you guys the story before.
At the end of the season, I've met with the
quarterbacks about what we can improve upon to be better
next year, right, And I number number of things with him,
and he goes, Mike, that's just how I play. Yeah,
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And I'd say, you want to go to super Bowl?
You want to be nine and seven every year? Yeah,
you know, and he goes, I want to go to
the super Bowl equally. Then work with me on this, dude,
change this, and his credit he did. So you have
tough con you know what. I love my players, but
you having a tough conversation about a key guy like
your quarterback, right, you got to have that conversation.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Yeah, you love your players.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I do all of them.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
No, see yea.
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Do we have a problem with Sam Donald? When the
lights are brightest? We got to come back and chat
about that. Look ahead to the Titans game. We got
the Bills and the Texans tonight, the Chiefs, your buddy
Andy Reid kind of in a desperate situation this week
against Daniel Jones and the Colts. And then hockey, Mike's
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second favorite sport. Pregame four to thirty Face Off five
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We got hockey at four thirty on ninety three to
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on nine to fifty am. But right now we got
Mike homegrin for another twenty minutes or so, fifteen minutes
or so before we say goodbye. And we talked about
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this last segment that there's a lot of folks that
have the RAM game in mind, Mike. They've got the
Lion game that decided the NFC Central in mind, they
have the RAM playoff game in mind, and they're wondering
is Sam Darnald turning into a guy that can't handle
the bright lights when the games get big?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
What do you think I.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Would say, don't worry, He's going to be fine. He's
going to be fine. And this, uh, if anything take
away from this game for him, I think I think, actually,
as painful as it was, he's going to be fine.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
There was a lot of talk, even on the broadcast
from Greg Olsen, who was doing the color commentary, how
do you balance being patient and yet getting into the
right play in the right formation quickly and still trying
to save clock because there was a lot of talk about, oh,
they wasted too much time in the last last two drives.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Well, what it seemed to me, Dick, when I was
watching that it was stuff was coming in from the sideline,
you know, and and I just we just didn't do
it that way. You know, you got you gotta drive,
You got a minute and whatever left. Okay, here's your too,
you practice this. Here are you're sixth place? Yeah, you
got it, you got it. You're not wasting any time
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with communicating from the sideline. You know, if anything happens,
you got your personnel on. You're not changing A lot
of personnel the guys are out there playing because right
then the most important thing is the timing right and
saving what you need or things like that. So you
think about that during the week. So when it happens, boom,
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here it is. Here's the package.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
And I understand.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
The first play of that last drive one for one
left to go, Rams got an incredible punt that pins
him at the one yard fine obviously, which is just
a as my dad would say.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
A pisser, right, unbelievable punt.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, just unbelievable. Amazing job by him. And then they
got a hard time getting lined up with Rashid Shihed,
who's a brand new guy over to Darnold's left right,
And I mean, I guess that's the price you pay
when you're putting a guy in the game that's been
there for a week and a half. I mean, you
don't like to see things like that happen, but it
explains it.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, there's it. Would it would, However, I wouldn't like it.
If you know, if he's going to be in that situation,
you practice that situation. He should know. I'm not going
to listen to a bunch of excuses on that one.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Really not well, Mike McDonald said after the game, it says,
it's very clear we have a great team. And I
think that's the first time he said that we have
a great team. So maybe he got moved kind of
like softy and I did, what do you agree? Is
this a great football team?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I think it's a it's a very good football team,
and it's a playoff caliber football team. And there's a
couple of things I would like to see happen. One
we could you know this is digressing slightly, but give
Walker the ball more, get him involved, find out if
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they love this receiver a lot, Get him involved. Cup
only caught one ball in that game. I think, get
him involved, you know, offensively, defensively. I think you've seen
how good they can be, and they're going to be
that way season. I think, yeah, now let's control things
a little bit more on offense.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Well, the Kenny Walker thing to me is perplexing. I
just I don't get it. I brought it up with you,
I think on Monday. We talked about it last week.
You know, McDonald's saying, now the Kenny Walker has shown
he deserves more carries, to which I would say, what's
he done to not deserve more carries. Maybe it's the
injury thing. Maybe they just want to keep him as
healthy as possible for the stretch run. Dick and I
talked about that, that, hey, if he's healthy in the
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final month of the year and he's a huge impact,
then they might look like geniuses.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
They got into seven and three in some ways kind
of almost without him being really dominant. But he's only
three hundred and ninety whatever yards away from a thousand
yard season, still very much there for him. But why
do you think it's been going down this way? Why
are they so hesitant to really, like the last drive
of the game, Kenny Walker's not even out there right,
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Why are they not using him more?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
You know, Dave, I don't know. I think you touched
on it a little bit, the injury thing. Maybe they're
nervous about that. I always contend that, you know, and
I'm not a big analytics guy, but in the preparation
for how many carries he should get, how how they
should play, those things are all analyzed and the numbers
are given, then some guy with a little glasses hands
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you a note. I know, but not like those are
not the big thick bottle cap black Rims. Yeah, no,
so pocket protector too. I don't have a good answer
for you. I would play him and then spell him
if he gets tired, you know, I go back. But
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it's different now, Seawn Alexander would played him. Momore's came
in when he got tired. Most teams now do alternate
have two backs and they're going, They're going, it's only
they're only playing one more game a year than we did.
So I don't know. I can't give you a good
answer on that. I hope they I hope they give
him the ball more coach.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
If you ask the ten smartest football analysts in the country,
maybe hum Millan, ten Hu Millans. Yeah, and you asked
him who's the best team in the NFL this one year,
they might have ten different answers in what the truth?
Like why do you think that is? And is is
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this going to be a trend?
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I like, do you think this is?
Speaker 4 (41:20):
We're gonna see more parody driven ten twelve teams can
compete for a Super Bowl championship deep into November.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Well, you know what, there was a time when the
forty nine ers and I happened to I was a
part of that We're kind of dominant for a stretch there.
Then the Cowboys were dominant for a stretch there, the
Packers early on the Patriots, and the Patriots are dominant now. Actually,
actually I kind of like it. I kind of like it.
But because strange things happen, Miami's won a couple of games.
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I never thought they could had a chance of winning, right,
I don't think Tennessee has a chance of winning. I
really don't. Yeah, so I hope I'm right, But it's
just different now. And the teams that have the quarterbacks,
they're the teams are going to wind up up here.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
On the top.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Well, you mentioned Tennessee and the Hawks are huge favorites.
I think you said, Dick. They've never been this big
a favorite ever on the road in franchise history. Thirteen
and a half point favorites on the road. I mean
the NFL obviously, you know games are typically close, but
Vegas thinks this is going to be a slaughter. They'd
be seventeen point favorites, if not more, if they played
at home. You ever catch guys looking past people in
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the NFL?
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Absolutely, we did in your locker room. Yeah we did.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
The year we played Indianapolis. We were eleven and one.
They were one and eleven. Wow, And their coach got
fired at the end of the year. And we went
into an Indianapolis and we scored forty two points. It
was the highest per play yardage I ever had in
any game. We did, never punted, and we lost forty
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five forty two with a third string quarterback. Their number
two guys are hurt that happen, you know. And Fritzit
Sherman and I had a really good discussion about it
the next day, you know. But it was about we
weren't we overlooked it. We weren't. That's my fault. I
never thought I'd have a team that just the fire
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wasn't there because they thought we could just go in
and play right and honestly, and it's stayed. It's often
you have to be ready to play again every week
every week. Others strange otherwise strange things can happen. Is
what happened to me.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Is the letdown game less likely to happen because you
just had a tough loss that you played really well.
Is it easier to kind of get get the team
back up after a loss versus if they, you know,
want to beat somebody by twenty.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I think you have a good point tick. I think
they they yeah, they can point to that and said, Okay,
we're we're not on an eight game winning streak here.
You know, we've got some work to do and we
got to take care of business. And then just know that.
And I'm sure he said this, knowing Mike a little
bit how he operates. You got to be ready to
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play every week. You got to be fired up emotionally
because every time you're gonna play against the guy that
wants it, and you know, forget about the record. And
I think he's gonna approach it that way. I don't think.
I don't think we have to worry about that. The
emotion of this defense, how his defense plays. Yep, yeah, no,
and don't throw interceptions and you should win the ball game.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
How about your buddy Andy and Kansas City. They haven't
lost three in a row since before Mahomes showed up. Yeah,
and they've lost too in a row to Buffalo and Denver,
both pretty good teams. And now they have another good
team and the Colts, and their schedule is not easy man, Buffalo, Denver, Indianapolis.
Then they go to Dallas and then Houston and then
the Chargers. I mean it's not easy, but they're kind
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of desperate, aren't they to win this game on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
They lose this game, they might be done.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
No, they have to know you're right, and this is
very uncharacteristic for his team's there. I I think I
believe the running game is really suspect. They've got had
some injuries, which affects everybody. And then you know, sometimes
I call it the Taylor swift. Oh you know, it's
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you go all of a sudden, that's the focus. You know,
all this is the beff. You know, Andy came on
the radio show, you know, the one time with me
and you, and then I asked him about that. He goes, no, no,
you know, you know that's not even an issue, and
it probably isn't an issue. But something, something's not clicking
the way it's been clicking for them for five years
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and five years in a row.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Now, well you got Josh Allen tonight coach, and he
just does some magical things. He had six touchdowns last week. Yeah,
where is he as far as not not greatest quarterbacks
of all time? Because I think you need to win
super Bowls to be considered one of the greatest. But
where is he amongst the most talented quarterback you've ever seen?
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, he is unbelievable. He is really unbelievable. And once
he kind of there's a good example. I think early
in his career, you know, he would throw interception, he
would do he would do stuff. Then he's grown out
of that, in my opinion, and he makes really good
decisions even though and he's a great runner, I mean good,
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he's a load, you know. So I picked that was
you talk about who's going to be there at the
end in the beginning of season, I said Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
That was my team, and I had Buffalo and Green
Bay and Green Bay is not holding up their end
of the.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
No, no, no, green That's another team that seems to
be yeah, no, no. To your point, teams are there's
there's just a mish mash of teams now that you
could kind of and who would have expected New England
to be nine and two, eight and two whatever they are?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
You know, right, Well, he just mentioned something interesting that
you think you got to be a Super Bowl champion
to be a great quarterback.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Marino, the greatest of all time, the greatest or one
of the greatest of all.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Is Dan Marino one of the greatest of all time?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yep in your mind yep through fourner and twenty touchdowns
before the turn of the century.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
He is, which nobody did that.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
When I think there's a difference between greatest and most talented,
because I think the word Okay, I think greatest encompasses Well, also,
what's gen do get his take?
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Is Dan Marino one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time?
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah, I agree, you agree.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
In fact, that was one of my first games of
the forty nine ers. We went over to London and
played a playoff game, preseason game. My quarterbacks, Joe Montana,
their quarterbacks, Dan Marino. I'm standing there in the middle
of the field and Bill Walls comes over because come here,
you know, I'm new some oh you know. He goes
watch this guy, and I did go. He's pointing the Marino.
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He's not talking. I'm not pointing in Montana, and he goes,
just watch how he throws, Watch how he does this.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I go. And it turns out one of my daughters
wanted me to get an autograph, not not from Joe.
I could have gotten one from Joe from Marino and
he gave me one. We were in the same hotel.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
I love well.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Speaking of the Dolphins, I had to text you after
that Miami Washington game on Sunday when both coaches, both
coaches turned down potential game winning field goals in the
final minutes of the game to go for it on
fourth and goal. What is going on in this world?
Coach glasses thick glasses, yep, analytic nerds.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
You know what. The idea of going on for it
on fourth down in a tie game could probably have
counted on two hands the number of times I did
that in twenty five years. Yeah, and now it had
it just they do it, so someone's told them it'll work.
You know the numbers, it'll work.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Hey, before you go, let me get a quick thought
from you on your favorite topic, and that's Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
Yeah, two and eighth.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
With the Raiders. Never went two and eight in his
NFL career.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah until now and struggling down there in uh in
Las Vegas, yourself and Pete Carroll shoes, would you be thinking, man,
this is this may have been a mistake to take
this job.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Maybe I should have just retired. Maybe it's passed me by.
I don't know. How would you handle this, you think
at that age?
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Well, I think I think once you make the decision
to take the job, right you no, you're in, you
commit right, you know? And so he and he's knowing
him the way I know him. He's gonna stay next year,
you know, he'll he's too energetic. But once you make
you know, once you make the commitment to that team,
you're in unless they unless they fire you.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Well, and we got like thirty seconds. Do you think
Mark Davis would pull the plug after a year on him?
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Is he like that?
Speaker 1 (49:38):
No?
Speaker 8 (49:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Okay, well he Marks Mark's a little you know. Has
he ever seen his haircut? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (49:44):
It's terrible.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, uh no, but he's he has pulled the trigger
on coaches, yep, but he won't do it on this one.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
All right, good stuff, Hey man, we're not going to
see you next week. Have a great Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3 (49:56):
All right? What do you mean two weeks?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
We've got nothing listening next week?
Speaker 3 (49:59):
You want to work on Thanksgiving? We'll see you here.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
How abut Jackson Parking?
Speaker 3 (50:03):
How Jackson's done? He's done?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Through Chris we had to pay you he's finished, all right.
Good stuff man ranks. Mike hongri with us. We're gonna
break cracking hockey with a black Hawks pregame show with
Mikey b coming next.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
See you by
Where we go.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Mike Holmgren will be here as well, by the way,
on the radio show in person live from the five
twenty Bar and Grill at three forty five this afternoon. Well,
Memphis lost ba Okay, they lost all right, So Rick
did not cover.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
He did not cover. He's a big loser yet again.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Oh and Memphis had a big lead too. He's gonna
complain about.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
He's our Memphis had this double digit lead, all right. Well,
he's one and two in his last three games. It
means it's time to buy the dip. Great chance to
jump on board with with Rick new Heiseel. So anyway,
Mike Homgrin joining us at three forty five and four
o'clock before cracking hockey pregame three thirty face off at
four o'clock. Excuse me, five o'clock from Chicago this afternoon.
But the Mariners again today announcing, as you heard in
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the update there, that Randy Johnson will have his number
fifty one retired in a pregame ceremony on the second
of May. I think they should have done it on
the first of May because that would have been five
to one for fifty one. Just another example of how
the Mariner marketing people have no idea what the hell
they're doing, and they should listen to me because I
have all the good ideas. I mean, again, like I
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said in the update, I'm certain it's because it's a Friday.
They want this thing on a Saturday. But hey, good
for Randy Johnson. And now we're starting to get a
little history here, right, you were not growing up? We
had nothing. There were no Mariner retired numbers. The only
retired number I think we had in town for a
pro team was number twelve with the Seahawks, and that
was it.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
That's right. I've got an even better idea than doing
it on May first, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
May threw it in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Oh no, all right, May first, twenty twenty seven is
a Saturday. Okay, they could have waited one more year.
I had it on five to one.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Maybe Randy's like, hey, you can do it for each
uro first, but i'd better damn well be the following season.
I have no idea why they're doing it this year.
I think it's great though that he's getting his number retired.
No problem with it whatsoever. There's a lot of people
that probably could have argued that maybe Randy should have
had his number retired before each Euro, right, But I
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get it. I think each Row is kind of more
of a Mariner now than Randy is. I think I
think I think that Dick. I mean, I love Randy Johnson.
I don't like the way an end to with Randy Johnson.
I think Randy Johnson became a absolute lock for the
Hall of Fame when he went to Arizona. He was
probably a Hall of Famer when he left Seattle, but
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he definitely became a Hall of Famer when he went
to Arizona.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
He certainly did. I'm one of those that thought Randy
should have gotten honored before each RO. I feel like,
even though Randy was here a much shorter time than
Eachro was, I have far more big time memories of
Randy Johnson as a Seattle Mariner that does well.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
That's because he well, probably because he had better talent
around him. Yeah, right, I mean, Eachiro, can we both
agree at least did everything he could do to help
the Mariners while he was here.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Except a home runs, right, but which he said he
could every time the play.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But that also wasn't his Forte. I mean, are we
literally sitting here saying that if Eachiro would have hit
more home runs, the Mariners would have made three or
four playoff appearance. No, because the offense around each course terrible.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So like, I mean, one.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Of the worst in baseball history statistically, that twenty ten
team was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Because I just I just wonder if each Euro had
better talent around him when he was in Seattle, he
would have more playoff appearances, he would have more big
opportunities for big moments, and we'd be sitting here saying, God,
remember all those great moments each Euro had. Instead, we're
sitting here talking about all the great moments that Randy
Johnson had. I mean the two that obviously stand out,
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I mean three of them. Really the perfect game against
the Tigers. I think it was right Detroit hit the
no hitter against the Tigers. I was there, probably not
a perfect game. He had base runners all in that
game no hitter against the Tigers, and then the win
against the Angels where he's throwing his hands up in
the air, and then obviously Game five against the Yankees
when he came into the bullpen. That people kind of
tend to forget.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
He gave up the lead.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, but he pitched, he did, but they still gave
up the lead.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I mean, he was in line to lose the game
until Edgar Martinez saved his ass in what the eleventh inning,
whatever it was there.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
So I don't know, man, I mean, I'm I'm fired
up for this.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I just think it's for the younger generation to be
able to have all this history and start looking at
some actual history on the outfield wall versus us who
looked at plexiglass on the outfield wall. So I believe
this will now become the third team in baseball to
have a number retired for the same guy. Yankees did
it for Bill Dickey and Yogi Bear, the Cubs did
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it for Ferguson Jenkins and Greg Maddox, and now the
Mariners have done it for Randy Johnson and Echi rose Azuki.
So those are all some pretty damn big games.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
By the way, there's no question, and yeah, we're finally
starting to have a history. I do think it's kind
of cool. I've always thought it cool that you and
I are of the age where we are truly generation
one of the Seahawks and the Mariners, like we remember,
even though we don't remember like the first year they played,
we remember all the players that played, or most of
the players that played in the first couple of years,
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because they stayed six or seven years, and we remember
those guys. So I thought it's even though we didn't
have any history to build on, it was pretty cool that,
like we can say, yeah, we remember from day number
one basic of these two franchise.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Absolutely. Man, it means we're freaking old, by the way.
So we'll talk.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We'll talk about all this as the show goes on.
Mike Hombrian's gonna join us today at three forty five
here live from the Bar. We're gonna thoughts on what
happened against the Rams a week ago. We're going to
thoughts on the Titans game coming up on Sunday, where
I think most of us just expect the Seahawks to
go on the road and just take care of business.
I think it's going to be a lower scoring game
and the Hawk defense it's going to show up.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
My concern about the offense.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
If there is a concern, is that I can see
them getting up big and then just shutting her down
right like they've done in the Saints game and the
Cardinal game, and if they're up thirty five to three
at halftime, I totally get it. But the spread is
thirteen and a half. I know we took it for
factor fiction. The back door cover always concerns you with
a game like this, but I do wonder will this
be one of those games where the Seahawks will try
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and get their running game going, maybe kind of protect
Sam Darnold a little bit. The last thing you want
to do is get a guy hurt in this game
of significance. I don't even know if grays Abel is
going to play on Sunday. I would think that it
might make sense to sit the guy out and let
him have a day off, especially going down there and
playing on the road, But I just I don't know, man.
It's not very often that you see a football team
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go on the road and actually annihilate somebody and keep
going into the second half.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
And statistically they're better against the pass than they are
against the run. Tennessee. And I think, for the first
time all year, and I've not been able to say
this one time, Yeah, I feel like this is a
Ken ken Walker game, right for the first time all year,
because we were like, what's Ken's role? Is he a
fifty to fifty guy? Is he a sixty to forty guy.
We've had all these tough matchups against these tough defenses.
Now it appears like they've decided, all right, we might
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go a little closer to seventy thirty seventy five to
twenty five, which guys like you and I have been
screaming for all season long. And you put that together
with the defense that's one of the bottom ten in
the NFL in yards per rush all out at four
point seven. This should be a Ken Walker one hundred
yard game.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, somebody should have one hundred yards. They might think
it's Zach Charbonnat's turn. I have no idea where they
stand with this guy, Dick Well.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I mean the articles all week long from the guys
that are covering the team say that there Lean and
now ken Walker.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well, good, then do it right. I mean, I don't
know why they haven't done that for three weeks. I
mean Mike McDonald came out the other day and said,
you know, kenn is showing he deserves more carries.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Well, what's he shown that he doesn't deserve carries?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And what is Sharbonny's showing that he deserves carries. I mean,
I just think that they are way behind now. Maybe
this will then, you know, eventually, maybe this will prove
to be the right move, because what's the biggest problem
for Kenny Walker the last couple of years has been
him getting hurt. And we are now into late November
and he's healthy, and they got tread on the tire.
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The carries aren't there the way they normally are, right,
he's not getting as much run. Maybe they've played this
perfectly to just make sure that Kenny Walker down the
stretch is available. And all of a sudden, you look
at it. Man, the guy's averaging four and a half
yards of carry. He's eighteenth in the NFL and rushing,
He's three hundred and ninety four yards away from a
thousand yard season, which he easily could do in the
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final seven games of the year if he ends up
being healthy towards the stretch run. We might look back
at this and say, maybe they kind of played it
pretty damn good. I don't know, it could be, I mean,
or we can look back and say, if you would
have just given him the ball twenty times every single game,
he would have given you this every single game. Right,
There's really no way to prove which one, but I
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think you're right he is. He's obviously fresher at this
point of the season than he has ever been because
he only has one hundred and thirty six carries on
the season. This is a guy that could get twenty
carries a game the rest of the season. For the
first time since Week number two.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Last week he had one hundred total yards, and they
got him involved in the passing game. He had by
far his best receiving game, three catches for forty four yards.
I think we need to see more of.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That well the last twenty one games. He only has
one hundred yard game in the last twenty one. That's it,
going back to the second game of last year against
the Lions. All Right, we're gonna break Rick new Heizel
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Speaker 2 (09:30):
All right back here at the five twenty bar and grill.
Mike Homgre'm gonna join us next segment. He is here
by the way in person.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Baby.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
We'll do it live with Mike Holmgren coming up next,
Cracking hockey with the Blackhawks pre game four thirty face
off at five. But joining us right now on the
radio program, our friend Rick Neuheisel, who damn it Memphis
plus the points at East Carolina. You were on a
hot streak, my friend did not come through for us
last week six and seven overall, but have rebounded very
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nicely from the start of the year. But Memphis, they
failed us, Pal, they failed us.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
They had the twenty seven twenty four lead and gave
up the touchdown pass with like a minute left. Neat eyes.
The corners need to use their eyes. They were not
available there at that defense. But we live, we press
on and we're not afraid.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, we'll get a pick coming up from you in
a minute here. Why don't we start with our old
guy Sark in the news today says he's not going anywhere.
He's going to stay at Texas. All the other jobs
that are out there he doesn't want him. And I
was reminded by the way Rick of from a buddy
of mine. I think, Dick, you may have been on
the air when Sark went on with Mitch in the
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morning and said he wasn't going anywhere, and he took
the USC job later that morning, I believe is when
he walked out and took the USC job. So he's
said things like this before. Should we believe him now
that he's not leaving Texas?
Speaker 7 (11:00):
You know, it's up to you. I don't know what
coaches are supposed to say. I mean, he's literally, he's
literally trying to say that he's staying. I would be
shocked if he left. I mean, it's a ten point
eight million dollar deal, right, and it's the University of
Texas where you've got resources like nobody's, you know, business,
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it's a hard job to be to do better. Then.
I have no idea unless there's personal reasons that are
going on that none of us know about. But yeah,
I think he's going to be there. But it was
strange when Desmond Howard put out that video where he's
walking the trash out and talking about how Stark and
Texas are going to split ways, and Diana Russini had
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the pig breaking news. I guess it was the Vanderbilt
game that had him on the run. So where there's smoke,
there's fires. So we'll just see how much smoke there
really is.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Well, then the other big coach out there, Lane Kiffman,
and you've mentioned to us before that you think he
should stay and will say I think Joel Klatt raised
an interesting question yesterday. I saw him say that Ole
Miss is willing to match any offer that Lane gets.
So Joel's question was, if that is the case, then
why hasn't Lane signed a new contract with Old Miss
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if indeed he's staying there.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
Well, I don't know that it's all about money, you
know this is I mean, Lane went on record as
saying it's not about money. I have a hard time
believing you. None of the Jimmy Sexton clients have re
upped with their teams the other day've all been told,
you know, basically, we're going to play this market. We're
going to increase the market increase your security. But I
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don't know what ole Miss is supposed to do here.
Ole Miss obviously wants the guy to stay. What do
they can't? Are they going to fire him? Do they
have to pay a buyout with if they fire him?
Because of Jimmy Sexton's language, in these contracts, you can
walk out and not have to pay any money back.
I don't have any idea what the leverage is for
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the universities based on the contracts that these guys are getting.
And listen, I've always been an advocate for coaches, but
this one seems a little bit one sided in the
other direction.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, well, how about the player's side of this man,
Because look, I'm all for player empowerment. I think kids
should be able to make money off their name. I
think if other adults are making money off kids, they
should be able to make money off their own damn name.
And so I love the fact the NCAA is allowing
this to happen. What I don't like, and maybe I'm
just old and crotchety, now, Rick, I don't like a
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kid that's on a football team in the middle of
November shopping himself around college football the way apparently Sam
Levitt is for Arizona State. I mean, it's kind of disgusting,
to be totally honest with you, that this kid was
on a playoff team a year ago, he got banged up,
and now he's got his people looking for a new
job while his football team is still playing.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
It's a massive turnoff. I think it's turning off a
lot of fans.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
What do you think, Well, it's it's troubling. I'm always
quick to say, don't hate the player, hate the game.
This is our fault. This is college football's fault. We
never saw into the crystal ball and saw what the
future held, and so this is all happening in real time,
and we're acting like a bunch of people who can't
make a decision because we're all trying to make these
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decisions by committee, and those who have the power are
unwilling to change the rules to make benefit the whole
when they don't think they necessarily are going to benefit
those with the money and the power. As I just said,
this is you know, we need to collectively bargain. We
need to wait till the season is over to talk
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to new coaches. The NFL does that. No one seems
to have a hard time, and everybody says they're racing
for this recruiting, Well, then move recruiting back. It was
a dumb idea to move it all the way up. Anyway,
do you realize in thirteen days we're having the signing
date and no one knows. And by the way, if
Lane Kiffins still at Ole Miss, he can sign that
class on December third and then take come with them
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to Florida or LSU. I mean, it's the damnedest thing
I've ever seen. And it's all because we can't sit
in one room and get organized. Make the signing class
again in February, even move it back another week in February.
Then once the season's over, you can talk to coaches,
so coaches can move and there can be but no
one can be contacted while you're still playing your season.
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And then move spring ball back into June, and move
the transfer portal to the end of the school years
where kids can actually finish a school year rather than
being whisked off to this other place. And this is
going to as long as we stay in this way,
you're going to be more upset about kids like Sam
Levitt because agents are in the transaction business and they're
just peddling their wares. That's all that's going on right now.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Wow, that is far too logical for college fool. Can
you just run college football? What are you doing with
us on the radio? Get the hell off of babe.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
It makes something of your life, will you? For good's sake?
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Man, I'm available?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Man uh Rick. You mentioned LSU there and in that monologue.
How marketable is Brian Kelly?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I probably not very right now, and it's a shame
because you know, this thing went so poorly, but there's
now concern about is he the kind of guy that
will work with an administration and all that stuff. He
kind of had a little bit of a tyrant kind
of motif going there when he's banging the table with
the media and all the different stuff. I obviously he's
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a gifted coach and had a great career. There's no
I don't think his career is over. But I won't
be shocked to see him sit a year and then
get back in.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Rick new Heisel with us courtesy of our friends at
Taco time talk to us about Oregon USC. I think
Husky fans obviously keeping an eye on that game for
a couple of reasons that what could impact start time
of our game with the Ducks next Saturday. And then obviously, look,
I mean it kind of like neither team and I'm
including Oregon in this that in that Tusome can afford
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another loss. Do you agree with that that both USC
and Oregon have a shot but they can't lose.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
I think I think you're dead right. I don't think
there's a quality win on the Oregon schedule, and it's
not anybody's fault other than it's been a poor year
in the Big Ten and too many teams and what
we thought was a classic win at Penn State has
fallen from grace. So the facts of the matter, as
I think, this is a playoff game, and it makes
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it a great game. Oregon comes in as the top
team rushing the football in the Big Ten and SC
comes in as the top team passing the football in
the Big Ten. So it's what gives Normally in this
kind of November weather in Eugene, you'd lean to the
to the running team. So it's going to be really
incumbent if SC is going to win, to play great
run defense, and whether or not they're up to that, well,
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we have to wait and see.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Rick. One of USC's two losses is to Notre Dame.
If they would have just played Toledo instead of Notre Dame,
they would be in the college football playoffs right now.
So doesn't you Notre Dame need USC a lot more
than USC needs Notre Dame. And doesn't that give Jen
Cohen a little.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
Leverage one hundred percent Notre Dame needs USC? And just
wait if Notre Dame keeps getting this, you know, this
free pass to the college football playoff as they're getting
this year despite losing two games to open the season,
one of which to Miami, who's sitting six spots behind him.
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And then then Hunter Eurosi, the new committee chair, gets
on television says, well, they're not in the same pool,
meaning that they aren't even being compared to one another,
and they're both sitting at eight and two and played
one another. It's incredible. It's an incredible situation. But Notre
Dame's you know, rock and roll and you know, all
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star kind of billing that they get as the rock
stars of college football is going to There's no question
that SC has the leverage in that deal. And I
think you're going to see the Big Ten and the
SEC start working a little leverage for favorable deals as
well for them to keep being allowed to be an
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independent in the college football playoffs.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well, I know you would have loved to have been
in Seattle last week for the Rose Bowl celebration.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Sat down with pictures, Softie, I saw the pictures. It
was so cool to see those guys and the bit
smiles on their faces.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Chad Ward almost fell over in a chair when he
sat down with us. By the way, Larry Triplett looks
the exact same, like he's five years old. And Marie
Shaw said, hello, all right, so a lot of guys
from that team.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
So good we're in town.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
But I know, I know you'd love to be at
the Rose Bowl at your alma mater on Saturday because
it could be the final regular season game ever and
it could be the last time the Huskies play a
game at the Rose Bowl for a long time, right,
I mean, especially a regular season game against UCLA. So
I guess my question to you is a former Bruin,
how emotional, how inspired do you think the crowd will
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be and the players will be to show up and
show out on Saturday? And then Nico did not play
a week ago. It looks like he may play Saturday.
How problematic is that for the Husky defense.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Well, Nico's the key to the offense. There's no question.
His ability, both with his arm and his legs are
the straw that stirs the drink for that offense. And
that's no secret. Fingers crossed that he'll play for the
sake of a great game. The Huskies are clearly the
favorite in this game because there's just not been enough
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consistency on either side of the ball at UCLA, and
for the Bruins to have any sort of chance, they're
going to have to corral Demon Williams. As for the crowd.
As for the crowd, I hope that we get a
nice crowd. You know, Bruin fans are a little fickle
at times with respect to if you're winning there in
if they're not winning, they kind of it's a long
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trip right twenty six miles to the Rose Bull from UCLA.
But fingers crossed that it'll be a fantastic game and
we'll wait and see who's the next guy at UCLA.
Hopefully you'll get the sport necessary to be successful.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Would you say, Softie were one and nine in our
last ten games down there against them against Ucla. Rick,
please explain that to me. Why better Husky teams, even
the ones that you coached to be back in nineteen
nine and nine, better Husky teams go down there and
lose to Ucla.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Why is that that overtime? Nightmare? God dang it. John
Anderson made the fifty six yard er. We're going to
the Rose Bowl, boys, if we just we just didn't
see the proper receiver. Marcus didn't practice all week. I
don't remember now.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Was that the week after the Arizona game, By the way,
when they brought the Roses out.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
He that's exactly right, they brought the Roses out. He'd
practiced no game, none at all, and we had that
long drive sealed the deal. Then he had to sit
the entire week the next week and just weren't sharp enough,
just weren't sharp enough, and unfortunately lost that one. Just nightmare.
But you know, I for years, UCLA has always looked
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forward to the Washington game as much as the sc
game because of the way Don James coached Washington and
the toughness that was exhibited by the Dogs. It was
a call to arms in every UCLA locker room prior
to that game that we are going to match the toughness,
and because of that, it just was a galvanizing deal.
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I remember coming up to Seattle and being on teams
that like in nicole stuff, it didn't matter. This was
tough guy stuff, just because of the respect that we
had for Coach James's the Husky teams.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
All right, before you go, it's time to get back
to five hundred. The entire menu was sitting there. You
just got to decide what you.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Want to eat.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Man, East Carolina ruined our week last week. Let's get
back in the win column. Taco Time Selection, I'm gonna
go with the spicy tater fries and the spicy ranch
and the cris beef burrito. Jackson's favorite with an old favorite.
Who do you like this week for your Taco Time
Pick of the.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
Week, I'm going to the Mountain West. I'm going to
take Dan Mullen's UNLB Rebels over Hawaii. They're only a
two point pick. Hawaii has been fantastic, give Timmy Chang
all sorts of credit, but it's another long road trip
and it's a critical game for the Rebels, So I'm
going to take Anthony Calandria and the reps to cover
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the two and a half.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
All right, UNLV minus the points against Hawaii on Saturday
in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
All Right, you're the man. Great stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Hey, we'll try to find a way to talk next
week before Turkey Day.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Appreciate this past, Rick.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
I look forward to it. Boys, we're coming down the stretch.
Always a blast.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
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Speaker 3 (24:27):
Just need to look on Homegren's face.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
He was sitting here listening to new Heizel when he's
talking about the Rose Bawl and UCLA and his teeth
are grinding, not just powder blue soft son of them.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, we'll ask Mike about that coming up the factor
fiction Thursday, Dick Day, What do you got?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Oh? I love this I love this game. Aaron Rodgers
is twenty four and five against the Chicago Bears in
his career. He even said I still own you when
he was standing in the end zone at Soldier Field
a couple of years ago. Meanwhile, the Bears have won
by one over the race, won over the Commanders. They
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won in the last second against the Bengals and in
the last minute against the Giants and Vikings. This is
the wrong team is favored. The Steelers are actually getting points. God,
the Bears have won three straight by five points or
less in the last twenty years. Teams that have won
three straight by five points or less are twelve twenty
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three and one against the spread. The next week, give
me Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers getting two and
a half points.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Have we seen the weather, by the way for Chicago?
We looked at all? Is that a factor for anybody?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
You good?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
The Packers by the way, or see the Packers. The
Steelers actually have a couple of nice wins. They beat
the Patriots, they beat the Colts earlier this year, so
they're six and four, but a pretty strong six and
four and they're getting two and a half.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Is that right? All right?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
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Speaker 5 (26:11):
Two things. First up, This slight chance of rain seven
mile an hour win for the game in Chicago's not
that bad. I would just say, Dick, are we sure
that Aaron Rodgers is going to be quarterbacking them? And
if he is, is he even close to fifty percent?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
And I'm I'm saying this is his left hand that's hurt.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Right, his left hand, he's got a raised as still left.
Riss Jackson, I will tell you this. I wrote this
down as one of my favorite picks on Sunday when
I thought Mason Rudolph was okay, good, okay good.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
What if it's Will Howard not? What if it's Skyler Thompson?
All Right, let's.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Go with a most due to lose team other mid
than maybe the Patriots in the entire league.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
All right, so Pittsburgh plus the two and a half
at Chicago is a selection. We are clinging to a
percentage points lead over Chucking Bucks, so we gotta get
we gotta get busy here.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Boys.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
You like it?
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Speaker 3 (26:59):
I do?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I like it it on Monday, but we took a
different game. Which game was I forget?
Speaker 3 (27:04):
All right?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
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Speaker 3 (28:05):
Did all right.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
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Speaker 3 (28:17):
But Jackson, they got news for you.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
You're not getting paid until the first of the year
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Speaker 3 (28:22):
Mike a little bit extra.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Well, thank you, it's a coming at three forty five, Jackson, Thank.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
You about that?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Do you feel bad, poor Jackson? Not gonna have Christmas?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
No?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
So guys, I'd like to talk about my employment with
iHeart at this point.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, no Christmas for Jackson Felts because Mike wanted to
grand Man to come in here early. Well, let's talk
about what we saw last Sunday. First of all against
the Rams, right, a lot of stuff to talk about.
The interceptions, the final drive of the game. Obviously, defense
I thought was great. Offense not so much obviously, but
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they did compromise themselves with the turnovers.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
What did you make of what you saw last Sunday, Mike.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Well, that was the key, David. You know, we've talked
about it before. You know, you look at the If
you look at the box score and notice the numbers,
you know, passing yards, all this kind of time of possession,
first down, you'd say which team won? If you didn't know,
you say, this team has to win. Yeah they lost.
Why because of the four interceptions. That's why you know
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they're they're against a really good team. The Rams are good.
So it was the heck of a game. I was
sorry that the Seahawks didn't win, but you know, it
just makes for another great game coming up against the Rams.
They'll probably decide things. It'll come right down to the wire.
But you can't look at and no one knows this
better than Sam Darnold. You know, you can't have a
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game like that. You can't throw four interceptions and think
it's going to come out good. You can't.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Well, Saftie texted me after the game, and I had
the exact thought that he had, which is always scary
when we agree on something. But and that was we
feel better about the Seahawks Super Bowl chances that loss
than we did before the game started, just about how
well they played other than the turnovers. Do you you
feel like Seahawk fans should be bullied by what they
saw in that game?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Well, you know what, you could look at it that way.
If you're the eternal optimist, you.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Know you're just a negative sob.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So yeah, you know what I mean. You know, I
played the position in four court. You know, my first
game in college as a college coach and BYU against
Georgia they won the national championship. Steve Young my first game,
I'm the new quarterback coach. Through six interceptions.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
He turned out to be okay.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That he turned out to be okay. He was so
so here's my thing, Sam will be okay.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Six picks.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, no, no, he wasn't very good.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
When we get.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I don't know that somebody had money on the game.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
I was just trying to survive. I go, this is
going to be I'm going to be the shortest tenured
coach in BYU history.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah. Well, I remember asking you last week.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I'm looking through my notes from the Cardinal game at
all the moments in time where Sam Darnald had turnovers.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Remember that?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, And I asked you, Hey, you know, are you
okay with these turnovers if they come when you're up
thirty three to fifteen or what?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
He said?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Nope, absolutely not. Then he goes out and throws.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Four picks in very meaningful situations, every.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Single one of them.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Now, all of a sudden, guys, Sam Darnold's got seven
turnovers in two games, seven two fumbles and five interceptions.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Are you worried about his confidence?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
A little bit? When you have that many turnovers in
two games?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Maybe a little bit, but not a lot. You know,
I think, what has to happen? Though? What has to happen?
He's been playing very well, okay, and then but he
has the turnover? Is hurt right? Okay? Now when you're
playing a team in your head thirty five to nothing.
It doesn't matter. It never usually should matter. But like
in that game, that costs of the game. You have
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got to have a really good talk with Sam about this.
Why is it happening? What are you seeing? What are
you thinking? You know, and be honest, both of you,
be honest about what the situation is. Yeah, yeah, and say, listen,
you're doing great, We're counting on you. Nothing's changing, But
tell me about these plays, you know, and then and
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then see if we can fix it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Did you see a guy that had a problem handling
pressure on Sunday? Because his numbers against the Stafford's numbers
against the Blitz are very good. Sam's numbers against the
Blitz are not very good. And I think a lot
of people would say that they provided some kind of
a blueprint. Now you gotta be able to execute the blueprints.
Did you see though, a RAM team that provided a
blueprint on how to get to this guy?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, I think it proved to your point, which is
real that under pressure, some quarterbacks handled it better than others.
And right now, based on that game, he didn't handle
it very well. Yeah, And you know, when when you're
teaching the quarterback about a particular play, he has to
know before the snap of the ball where his problems are.
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If this happens, these are all going on in a second,
second and a half. Where do I go with the ball.
But if I'm winding up holding it too long and
I'm feeling pressure, I don't throw it. I take the
sack or throw it into the ground. Live for another
day because the worst thing that can happen happened. And
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on those four throws, well, it's.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Clear that he's unfazed after throwing interceptions because he just
keeps chucking. He doesn't go into a shell. Is that
a good trait for a quarterback to have or a
bit of a worrisome trait for a quarterback to have?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Well, you know, people, when you look at it, you saying,
he it does seem to bother him because he just
keeps going. I think that you have to find out why.
It's why you got to know why it happened. What'd
you see? Do you see him open? Were you late?
You know where you're feeling the pressure? What about to
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play all these things and get and be honest. Heck,
just let's be honest on the table. I remember talking
to Brett fav and I've told you guys the story before.
At the end of the season, I've met with the
quarterbacks about what we can improve upon to be better
next year, right, And I number number of things with him,
and he goes, Mike, that's just how I play. Yeah,
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And I'd say, you want to go to super Bowl?
You want to be nine and seven every year? Yeah,
you know, and he goes, I want to go to
the super Bowl equally. Then work with me on this, dude,
change this, and his credit he did. So you have
tough con you know what. I love my players, but
you having a tough conversation about a key guy like
your quarterback, right, you got to have that conversation.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Yeah, you love your players.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I do all of them.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
No, see yea.
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Do we have a problem with Sam Donald? When the
lights are brightest? We got to come back and chat
about that. Look ahead to the Titans game. We got
the Bills and the Texans tonight, the Chiefs, your buddy
Andy Reid kind of in a desperate situation this week
against Daniel Jones and the Colts. And then hockey, Mike's
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second favorite sport. Pregame four to thirty Face Off five
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back here at the five to twenty bar and grill.
We got hockey at four thirty on ninety three to
three KJRFM. We got NFL football at five o'clock over
on nine to fifty am. But right now we got
Mike homegrin for another twenty minutes or so, fifteen minutes
or so before we say goodbye. And we talked about
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this last segment that there's a lot of folks that
have the RAM game in mind, Mike. They've got the
Lion game that decided the NFC Central in mind, they
have the RAM playoff game in mind, and they're wondering
is Sam Darnald turning into a guy that can't handle
the bright lights when the games get big?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
What do you think I.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Would say, don't worry, He's going to be fine. He's
going to be fine. And this, uh, if anything take
away from this game for him, I think I think, actually,
as painful as it was, he's going to be fine.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
There was a lot of talk, even on the broadcast
from Greg Olsen, who was doing the color commentary, how
do you balance being patient and yet getting into the
right play in the right formation quickly and still trying
to save clock because there was a lot of talk about, oh,
they wasted too much time in the last last two drives.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Well, what it seemed to me, Dick, when I was
watching that it was stuff was coming in from the sideline,
you know, and and I just we just didn't do
it that way. You know, you got you gotta drive,
You got a minute and whatever left. Okay, here's your too,
you practice this. Here are you're sixth place? Yeah, you
got it, you got it. You're not wasting any time
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with communicating from the sideline. You know, if anything happens,
you got your personnel on. You're not changing A lot
of personnel the guys are out there playing because right
then the most important thing is the timing right and
saving what you need or things like that. So you
think about that during the week. So when it happens, boom,
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here it is. Here's the package.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
And I understand.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
The first play of that last drive one for one
left to go, Rams got an incredible punt that pins
him at the one yard fine obviously, which is just
a as my dad would say.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
A pisser, right, unbelievable punt.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, just unbelievable. Amazing job by him. And then they
got a hard time getting lined up with Rashid Shihed,
who's a brand new guy over to Darnold's left right,
And I mean, I guess that's the price you pay
when you're putting a guy in the game that's been
there for a week and a half. I mean, you
don't like to see things like that happen, but it
explains it.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, there's it. Would it would, However, I wouldn't like it.
If you know, if he's going to be in that situation,
you practice that situation. He should know. I'm not going
to listen to a bunch of excuses on that one.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Really not well, Mike McDonald said after the game, it says,
it's very clear we have a great team. And I
think that's the first time he said that we have
a great team. So maybe he got moved kind of
like softy and I did, what do you agree? Is
this a great football team?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I think it's a it's a very good football team,
and it's a playoff caliber football team. And there's a
couple of things I would like to see happen. One
we could you know this is digressing slightly, but give
Walker the ball more, get him involved, find out if
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they love this receiver a lot, Get him involved. Cup
only caught one ball in that game. I think, get
him involved, you know, offensively, defensively. I think you've seen
how good they can be, and they're going to be
that way season. I think, yeah, now let's control things
a little bit more on offense.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Well, the Kenny Walker thing to me is perplexing. I
just I don't get it. I brought it up with you,
I think on Monday. We talked about it last week.
You know, McDonald's saying, now the Kenny Walker has shown
he deserves more carries, to which I would say, what's
he done to not deserve more carries. Maybe it's the
injury thing. Maybe they just want to keep him as
healthy as possible for the stretch run. Dick and I
talked about that, that, hey, if he's healthy in the
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final month of the year and he's a huge impact,
then they might look like geniuses.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
They got into seven and three in some ways kind
of almost without him being really dominant. But he's only
three hundred and ninety whatever yards away from a thousand
yard season, still very much there for him. But why
do you think it's been going down this way? Why
are they so hesitant to really, like the last drive
of the game, Kenny Walker's not even out there right,
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Why are they not using him more?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
You know, Dave, I don't know. I think you touched
on it a little bit, the injury thing. Maybe they're
nervous about that. I always contend that, you know, and
I'm not a big analytics guy, but in the preparation
for how many carries he should get, how how they
should play, those things are all analyzed and the numbers
are given, then some guy with a little glasses hands
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you a note. I know, but not like those are
not the big thick bottle cap black Rims. Yeah, no,
so pocket protector too. I don't have a good answer
for you. I would play him and then spell him
if he gets tired, you know, I go back. But
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it's different now, Seawn Alexander would played him. Momore's came
in when he got tired. Most teams now do alternate
have two backs and they're going, They're going, it's only
they're only playing one more game a year than we did.
So I don't know. I can't give you a good
answer on that. I hope they I hope they give
him the ball more coach.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
If you ask the ten smartest football analysts in the country,
maybe hum Millan, ten Hu Millans. Yeah, and you asked
him who's the best team in the NFL this one year,
they might have ten different answers in what the truth?
Like why do you think that is? And is is
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this going to be a trend?
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I like, do you think this is?
Speaker 4 (41:20):
We're gonna see more parody driven ten twelve teams can
compete for a Super Bowl championship deep into November.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Well, you know what, there was a time when the
forty nine ers and I happened to I was a
part of that We're kind of dominant for a stretch there.
Then the Cowboys were dominant for a stretch there, the
Packers early on the Patriots, and the Patriots are dominant now. Actually,
actually I kind of like it. I kind of like it.
But because strange things happen, Miami's won a couple of games.
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I never thought they could had a chance of winning, right,
I don't think Tennessee has a chance of winning. I
really don't. Yeah, so I hope I'm right, But it's
just different now. And the teams that have the quarterbacks,
they're the teams are going to wind up up here.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
On the top.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Well, you mentioned Tennessee and the Hawks are huge favorites.
I think you said, Dick. They've never been this big
a favorite ever on the road in franchise history. Thirteen
and a half point favorites on the road. I mean
the NFL obviously, you know games are typically close, but
Vegas thinks this is going to be a slaughter. They'd
be seventeen point favorites, if not more, if they played
at home. You ever catch guys looking past people in
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the NFL?
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Absolutely, we did in your locker room. Yeah we did.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
The year we played Indianapolis. We were eleven and one.
They were one and eleven. Wow, And their coach got
fired at the end of the year. And we went
into an Indianapolis and we scored forty two points. It
was the highest per play yardage I ever had in
any game. We did, never punted, and we lost forty
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five forty two with a third string quarterback. Their number
two guys are hurt that happen, you know. And Fritzit
Sherman and I had a really good discussion about it
the next day, you know. But it was about we
weren't we overlooked it. We weren't. That's my fault. I
never thought I'd have a team that just the fire
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wasn't there because they thought we could just go in
and play right and honestly, and it's stayed. It's often
you have to be ready to play again every week
every week. Others strange otherwise strange things can happen. Is
what happened to me.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Is the letdown game less likely to happen because you
just had a tough loss that you played really well.
Is it easier to kind of get get the team
back up after a loss versus if they, you know,
want to beat somebody by twenty.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I think you have a good point tick. I think
they they yeah, they can point to that and said, Okay,
we're we're not on an eight game winning streak here.
You know, we've got some work to do and we
got to take care of business. And then just know that.
And I'm sure he said this, knowing Mike a little
bit how he operates. You got to be ready to
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play every week. You got to be fired up emotionally
because every time you're gonna play against the guy that
wants it, and you know, forget about the record. And
I think he's gonna approach it that way. I don't think.
I don't think we have to worry about that. The
emotion of this defense, how his defense plays. Yep, yeah, no,
and don't throw interceptions and you should win the ball game.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
How about your buddy Andy and Kansas City. They haven't
lost three in a row since before Mahomes showed up. Yeah,
and they've lost too in a row to Buffalo and Denver,
both pretty good teams. And now they have another good
team and the Colts, and their schedule is not easy man, Buffalo, Denver, Indianapolis.
Then they go to Dallas and then Houston and then
the Chargers. I mean it's not easy, but they're kind
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of desperate, aren't they to win this game on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
They lose this game, they might be done.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
No, they have to know you're right, and this is
very uncharacteristic for his team's there. I I think I
believe the running game is really suspect. They've got had
some injuries, which affects everybody. And then you know, sometimes
I call it the Taylor swift. Oh you know, it's
(45:15):
you go all of a sudden, that's the focus. You know,
all this is the beff. You know, Andy came on
the radio show, you know, the one time with me
and you, and then I asked him about that. He goes, no, no,
you know, you know that's not even an issue, and
it probably isn't an issue. But something, something's not clicking
the way it's been clicking for them for five years
(45:39):
and five years in a row.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Now, well you got Josh Allen tonight coach, and he
just does some magical things. He had six touchdowns last week. Yeah,
where is he as far as not not greatest quarterbacks
of all time? Because I think you need to win
super Bowls to be considered one of the greatest. But
where is he amongst the most talented quarterback you've ever seen?
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, he is unbelievable. He is really unbelievable. And once
he kind of there's a good example. I think early
in his career, you know, he would throw interception, he
would do he would do stuff. Then he's grown out
of that, in my opinion, and he makes really good
decisions even though and he's a great runner, I mean good,
(46:20):
he's a load, you know. So I picked that was
you talk about who's going to be there at the
end in the beginning of season, I said Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
That was my team, and I had Buffalo and Green
Bay and Green Bay is not holding up their end
of the.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
No, no, no, green That's another team that seems to
be yeah, no, no. To your point, teams are there's
there's just a mish mash of teams now that you
could kind of and who would have expected New England
to be nine and two, eight and two whatever they are?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
You know, right, Well, he just mentioned something interesting that
you think you got to be a Super Bowl champion
to be a great quarterback.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Marino, the greatest of all time, the greatest or one
of the greatest of all.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Is Dan Marino one of the greatest of all time?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yep in your mind yep through fourner and twenty touchdowns
before the turn of the century.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
He is, which nobody did that.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
When I think there's a difference between greatest and most talented,
because I think the word Okay, I think greatest encompasses Well, also,
what's gen do get his take?
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Is Dan Marino one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time?
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah, I agree, you agree.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
In fact, that was one of my first games of
the forty nine ers. We went over to London and
played a playoff game, preseason game. My quarterbacks, Joe Montana,
their quarterbacks, Dan Marino. I'm standing there in the middle
of the field and Bill Walls comes over because come here,
you know, I'm new some oh you know. He goes
watch this guy, and I did go. He's pointing the Marino.
(47:48):
He's not talking. I'm not pointing in Montana, and he goes,
just watch how he throws, Watch how he does this.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I go. And it turns out one of my daughters
wanted me to get an autograph, not not from Joe.
I could have gotten one from Joe from Marino and
he gave me one. We were in the same hotel.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
I love well.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Speaking of the Dolphins, I had to text you after
that Miami Washington game on Sunday when both coaches, both
coaches turned down potential game winning field goals in the
final minutes of the game to go for it on
fourth and goal. What is going on in this world?
Coach glasses thick glasses, yep, analytic nerds.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
You know what. The idea of going on for it
on fourth down in a tie game could probably have
counted on two hands the number of times I did
that in twenty five years. Yeah, and now it had
it just they do it, so someone's told them it'll work.
You know the numbers, it'll work.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Hey, before you go, let me get a quick thought
from you on your favorite topic, and that's Pete Carroll.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
Yeah, two and eighth.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
With the Raiders. Never went two and eight in his
NFL career.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah until now and struggling down there in uh in
Las Vegas, yourself and Pete Carroll shoes, would you be thinking, man,
this is this may have been a mistake to take
this job.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Maybe I should have just retired. Maybe it's passed me by.
I don't know. How would you handle this, you think
at that age?
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Well, I think I think once you make the decision
to take the job, right you no, you're in, you
commit right, you know? And so he and he's knowing
him the way I know him. He's gonna stay next year,
you know, he'll he's too energetic. But once you make
you know, once you make the commitment to that team,
you're in unless they unless they fire you.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Well, and we got like thirty seconds. Do you think
Mark Davis would pull the plug after a year on him?
Speaker 3 (49:38):
Is he like that?
Speaker 1 (49:38):
No?
Speaker 8 (49:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Okay, well he Marks Mark's a little you know. Has
he ever seen his haircut? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (49:44):
It's terrible.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, uh no, but he's he has pulled the trigger
on coaches, yep, but he won't do it on this one.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
All right, good stuff, Hey man, we're not going to
see you next week. Have a great Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3 (49:56):
All right? What do you mean two weeks?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
We've got nothing listening next week?
Speaker 3 (49:59):
You want to work on Thanksgiving? We'll see you here.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
How abut Jackson Parking?
Speaker 3 (50:03):
How Jackson's done? He's done?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Through Chris we had to pay you he's finished, all right.
Good stuff man ranks. Mike hongri with us. We're gonna
break cracking hockey with a black Hawks pregame show with
Mikey b coming next.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
See you by
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