Softy & Dick 11-25 Hour 3: Jon Wilner, Vikings Quarterbacks + Paul Allen

In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Jon Wilner about Oregon and the game against UW this week, plus more college football, then discuss the state of the Vikings quarterback before Minnesota’s play-by-play voice Paul Allen joins Softy.

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Speaker 4 (00:38):
The CFP rankings I believe are out already. I think
they've been officially released. Ohio State, Indiana, A and M Georgia,
Texas Tech Oregon comes at number six. Ole Miss and
Wane Kiffin, who could be the next head coach at
Florida or the next head coach at LSU at number seven.
Oklahoma eight, Notre Dame nine, Alabama, number ten. Washington not

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ranked by the way, for those keeping an eye on
the CFP Playoff rankings at eight and three. Arizona, though
is ranked at eight and three. Old team is there?
A ESU is there at number twenty USC number seventeen
after their loss to Oregon, joining us right now on
the radio show The Pope of the Pack the Big
ten baron our friend Johnny Wilner, Johnny, how are you pale?

Speaker 5 (01:25):
Good?

Speaker 6 (01:25):
Thanks?

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Hey, you guys good.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
I know a lot of Husky fans were kind of curious.
I mean, I'll be honest with you. I don't really
care if the Huskies are ranked or not at this point.
But should fans care if the Huskies are ranked? And
should they have been ranked in this current version of
the CFP.

Speaker 7 (01:42):
You can make a case that they should be one
of the last couple in or the last couple out.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
That's kind of how I view it. Does it matter?

Speaker 7 (01:50):
You know, it may matters a little bit recruiting fan interest.
It's always better to have a number by your name
than having no number by your name.

Speaker 8 (02:00):
The expansion deadline john for the twenty twenty six College
Football Playoff was supposed to be coming up, and now
it's been pushed back to what sometime in January.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
So what does that tell you, if anything? Oh boy,
what a.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
Mess, and it's such an important event and it's just
such a mess.

Speaker 7 (02:19):
So they did have until December first to notify ESPN
if they wanted to expand the playoff.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
The Big Ten and the SEC are at loggerheads.

Speaker 7 (02:31):
They have then asked for this extension to January twenty third,
so a couple of days after the championship game, to
see if they could come to some resolution.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
They're not going to, at least not for next fall.

Speaker 7 (02:48):
So the question really is there's like a ten percent
chance that they could go to a sixteen team event
for next fall, But more likely is they are talking
about what it's going to look like in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Will it be sixteen, will it be twenty four?

Speaker 7 (03:04):
The Big Ten is now pushing a twenty four team
field in which the Big all the power conferences would
get four guaranteed bids each. So it's just more of
the same lack of leadership, competing interests, everybody being territorial.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Yeah, and at stake? Is this really this thing that
really matters so much to the sport?

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Right well?

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Speaking of the playoff, Oregon up one spot from number
six to number five. It's hard to imagine a team
that's ten and one and number five in the country
right now missing the playoff. If Oregon loses to Washington,
will they miss the playoff?

Speaker 7 (03:43):
I think it depends on what else happens, because everything
is done, you know, nothing is done in a vacuum.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
What happens.

Speaker 7 (03:51):
If Texas Tech loses the Big twelve Championship, then they're
probably gonna get in.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
What happens If you know Miami Beach pitt they may
get in. Notre Dame may get in. The SEC is
gonna have.

Speaker 7 (04:05):
At four maybe five teams? What if Michigan beats Ohio State?
Hard to keep Michigan out with two losses? So I
actually no matter where Oregon is right now, five six seven,
if they lose Saturday, I think that they're in significant trouble.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
How concerns should they be and what type of game
do we see?

Speaker 6 (04:24):
You think?

Speaker 7 (04:28):
I think their concern level with a loss should be
pretty high because they're gonna end up.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
If that's the case, Oregon's gonna finish well. I don't know.
I assume it's not ranked. I haven't seen the rankings today.

Speaker 7 (04:39):
I assume I was not ranked, which means if that stays,
Oregon would have one win.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Over a ranked team.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
That's right.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
They have two losses, and that's not that's not a
great that's not a great formula for getting in. If
you've got to deal with the Michigan team that's beating
Ohio State and a Texas Tech team that has lost
the Big Twelve championship.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
So they should they should be on high alert.

Speaker 7 (05:02):
I think they're playing it's somewhat of an elimination game
for them, and that's you know, helps Washington's motivation as well.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, I was not ranked. And here's the thing for Oregon.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
You would think that they kind of would have wanted
Washington to be ranked so they can say they have
another win. I mean if they if they lose this game,
they're losing to an unranked football team. I mean, they
could fall from six to maybe twelfth or thirteenth. Then
we'd be ranked after that. Yeah, you double would. But
Oregon would fall tremendously. They could fall six or seven
spots and and and fall out. But when Dick asked

(05:33):
about how concerned Oregon should be, no doubt they should
be concerned. If they lose the game. How concerned should
they be that they will lose the game on Saturday?

Speaker 7 (05:44):
I mean, I think that that spread is pretty good.
You know, it's it's they are favored for a good reason.
But if this is not going to be a cakewalk
kind of a deal, so I think they should be
pretty worried. Washington's played well at home, and if I'm Oregon,
I am not looking at this as you know, a
game we're gonna win. If we don't play our a

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game we're gonna win. I don't think that's the case.
I think they do need to bring their a game, John.

Speaker 8 (06:12):
I kind of think this game is gonna be a
defensive battle. If I were to rank the units, I
would rank Oregon's D in Washington's D ahead of Oregon
zoo in Washington.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
Z Oh.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Do you see it like that? Or do you think
we're gonna get to a team or two into the thirties?

Speaker 6 (06:29):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Yeah, I think that thirty is gonna win the game.
I kind of agree with you there.

Speaker 7 (06:36):
Uh so which team has a better chance to get thirty?
M Probably Oregon? Yeah, I actually think I I'm not
sure Washington's gonna get twenty to be honest. So in
that regard, I think Oregon, you know, I see something
like twenty seven to twenty to me, seems like.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
A pretty good score, a pretty realistic score.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Well, here's the thing about you, Dub, for me, is
that they just haven't proven that they can function offensively
the way they want to against the legitimate defense. They
haven't done it yet, right, I mean, and and maybe
they're ready now to do it. Maybe there's something in
the water where Game twelve will be the game where
they pop. Maybe they get some help on special teams,
you know, Denzel Boston's return, all that stuff. But I
think you're right that this is gonna be maybe a

(07:20):
little bit of a lower scoring game. But like, who
on Oregon really would scare I know they have a
lot of good players, but they don't seem to have
the high end stars that they had a year ago
or even two years ago.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
On that team.

Speaker 7 (07:34):
They got one guy, if I'm Washington, that I'm scared of,
and that's Kenyon Sadik, the tight end.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
Right.

Speaker 7 (07:39):
The guys a freak athlete. They are, you know, kind
of decimated at receiver. They're without their top three guys. Now,
I don't know if Decorian Moore and Gary Bryen are playing,
I'm kind of assuming they're not. And they're also they've
been missing Evan Stewart the whole season. He was gonna
be their number one receiver. But Ken is very difficult
matchup and he you know, he was he killed u

(08:02):
USC and you combine him with that running game and
you could you can kind of map out a way
that Oregon gets into the mid twenties, especially if the
Huskies commit a turnover or a mistake on special teams.

Speaker 8 (08:17):
John Dante Moore was a Heisman favorite after the first
month of the season and then you know, October he
cools off. He's kind of bounced back. What do you
make of his season overall? And what type of player
are we going to see?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
For?

Speaker 8 (08:30):
For Husky fans that really haven't paid much attention to
Oregon football this year because they just don't want to
watch him on TV, what kind of quarterback are we
going to see?

Speaker 7 (08:38):
Well, the guy has got a ton of arm talent,
you know, like I think he's he might not.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
Be Michael Panics in terms of arm talent, but he
is very very good.

Speaker 7 (08:51):
He's not super consistent, he you know, he's not that
experienced and and I think that the fact he's without
a lot of weapons, they've done a good job not
putting him in position where he can make game losing mistakes.
They lean into their running game, and don't you know,
he in some ways he's more trailer than tractor, but

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he does have got a ton of armtown. He can
make any pass on the field. If I'm Orgon, if
I'm Washington and I'm doubling up Sadik, then I'm feeling
pretty good that they're not gonna maybe kill me in
the pass game.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
But then you've got to worry about the run game.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Well, and then yeah, that's where Oregon may have a
bit of an advantage.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
I mean, they're eighth in the country and rushing offense,
Huskies are fifty seventh, which is a disappointment I think
for you, Dub. But they're gonna have three guys ready
in Coleman, Washington, and Muhammad on Saturday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
But here's the other side of that, coin Man.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
You know, we mentioned U Dub's offense struggles against good Deed.
Oregon played Iowa, which is the number in eight defense
in college football, and they were held to eighteen, they
played Wisconsin, who's a top fifty defense, and they were
held to twenty one. This might be the second or
third best defense at Oregon is scene all year long,
so I'm really curious to see how they do. But
you know, I got an email today, as I know

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a lot of people did, from Bovada, who now has
Jedfish as the favorite to land the Florida job, assuming
they think Lane Kiffen takes the LSU job. They got
Jedfish as the one to one favorite. Now, so my
question to you is this, if Jed wins this game
on Saturday, what does that do to his marketability across
the country and his attractiveness to a place like Florida.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
I think it helps him a lot.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
Beaten a top five, top six team that's playoff bound
in his second year of what is viewed as a pretty.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
Significant rebuilding job. I think it does a lot for him.

Speaker 7 (10:40):
It certainly helps Florida's administration sell him. See, they're going
to be in a tough spot because everybody in Gainesville
wants Lane Kiffin, and if they miss on Kiffen, there
are very few people that they can sell to the
fans that are going to generate some excitement bringing home
and a lum who turned her around Arizona and has

(11:01):
gone and turned around Washington.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
In two years and just beaten Oregon.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
They can sell that, So I could see that now,
if you're a Washington fan and your your choice is
we beat Oregon and lose Fish or we lose to
Oregon and keep Fish, what do you want?

Speaker 1 (11:17):
That's the question. Satie's been asking that exact question everybody.
So what do you want? Yeah, what would you want?
If you were a Husky fan? Which would you prefer?

Speaker 9 (11:28):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (11:30):
Yeah, I'm not sure. And that's pretty telling that I'm
not sure.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
I think you probably want to beat Oregon.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
To be honest, I think you would have to have
faith in your ad Pat Chun to go hire a coach.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
And I'm sure Pat Shun's got anybody.

Speaker 7 (11:46):
Who is the ad for Jedfish has got a short
list of coaches in their back pocket all the time,
because Fish is known as a guy.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Who could leap leave.

Speaker 7 (11:57):
So I think you trust Fish, trust Sean that he
could hire somebody, and you get the bump with your
constituents for beating Oregon that you need for.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
Nil for a revenue share all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 8 (12:13):
It was really close for me, John, I did though
see a Husky team. I do see a Husky team
that is a legitimate college football playoff contender next year
with a third year quarterback.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I kind of want to see that play out.

Speaker 8 (12:28):
And then let Jed go wherever he wants to go,
because he'll be a super How commodity, am I over
selling what this Husky team can be next year?

Speaker 7 (12:37):
I don't think you're over selling what Washington could be.
I think you're under selling what can happen with the portal.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
And they could come up. They could, you know, come
up with a.

Speaker 7 (12:48):
Better quarterback than Demm Williams in the portal, and you
know a bunch of good linemen and playmakers.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
You could just rebuild so quickly.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
I mean just Indiana is a great example, right, But
there's other examples. So I would say that don't certainly
sites should be high for the Huskies next year, like
nine wins minimum if everybody comes back. But also I
don't think that you could rule out nine wins if

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there's a coaching change because of the portal.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
John Wilners with us on the radio show John The
Loss by Lincoln Riley to Oregon last week. I saw
a stat where he now has I think it's fifty
one games. If I'm not mistaken, it might be forty one.
But whatever the number is, it's the exact same record
that Clay Helton had at this point in time of
his USC career. So, I mean, it just seems like

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every off season we're talking about Lincoln Riley.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
Is this the year?

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Is this the year? Is this the year? The buyouts?
This the buyouts that? Well?

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Is this the year where Jen Cohen finally has no
choice but to pull the plug on this guy?

Speaker 5 (13:53):
I don't think so.

Speaker 7 (13:55):
You know, if they beat UCLA and they're favored by
I think three touchdowns, they're gonna be No.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
Three. And I just can't see them making a move.

Speaker 7 (14:03):
If they've gone from seven to five last year to
nine and three and his buyout is still right about
eighty million, I just don't think that they will make
a move. I think next year would would be the
big year. Here's another stat. Indiana has been to the
playoff twice. USC has been in the playoff no times.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Wow, that's been incredible.

Speaker 6 (14:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well how about this?

Speaker 4 (14:22):
How about this for a little brainbuster, The former California
quarterback is about to win the Heisman Trophy in Indiana
and the former Indiana quarterback took you dub to the
National Championship Game and almost won the Heisman Trophy. Indiana
is the epicenter of the college football universe right now, John.

Speaker 7 (14:39):
But that tells you what it's like now with the
portal and how Washington. You know, and I know they
were decimated after Deboor left, but I would argue that
fish leaving would not have the same impact on the
roster that de boor leaving did. Why Because I don't

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think that they will have attained as much, right and
they're not.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Making the National Championship Game. They're not gonna have as
many guys leave for the NFL, and I don't think.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
I just think that there's more guys who would wait
and see what happens stick around. And the other piece
of it is the portal timing is now January second, right.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
So you people, the recruits or the players.

Speaker 7 (15:23):
Would have time to see who they're gonna hire before
they got to get into the portal.

Speaker 8 (15:28):
You mentioned thirty wins the game of mont League. What
wins the game in the Big House?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Twenty? Who?

Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, probably.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
And I also, I think I've heard that there's gonna
be snow in ann Arbor, so I mean it may
be seventeen. But yeah, that Michigan very good defense. Ohio
States defense is lights out statistically, it's the best in years.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
They're all having seven points a game.

Speaker 7 (15:55):
I think it's gonna be seventeen, fourteen, fourteen, ten, something
like that.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Under's a great look.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Great, yeah, John, I want to cheat a little bit
with the with the games this weekend. We don't normally
talk a lot of Pac twelve. Number one, there's only
two teams left in Oregon State and Wazoo and number two.
You got way too much on your plate with the
Big ten obviously going on.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
But man, Wazoo.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
I was disappointed they lost that first game in Corvallis,
and I was thinking, for the last month and a half,
whatever the line is, I'm gonna jump all over to
Cougar's in this game they're given thirteen and a half
at home against Oregon State. Is that is that too
many a thing to jump on the Cougs this weekend.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
I was a little surprised it was that much.

Speaker 7 (16:34):
To be honest, I would be hesitant because their offense
hasn't been great and they re Oregon State's game plan
against Washington State in.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
Corvallas was very good. I would assume that they're going
to go back to that.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
You know, the Cougars didn't score a ton of James Madison.
I think that's too much. You can kind of figure
on Washington State getting twenty to twenty three. Could and
can the Beavers score ten? I think there's a pretty
good chance that they cannot. If it were ten or eleven,
I would feel better about the Cougars, But thirteen and
a half's a lot.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Well, how about Oregon State and their new head coach?
Justin Wilcox just got fired a cal Is he now
at the front of the line to replace what's his nuts?
That just got whacked? What's the guy's name he got fired?
In you very much? I actually thought his name was
what's his nuts? All too? That's interesting too, Nick Rolovin
should California? Is this a tryout for him for that gig?

(17:33):
And how about Wilcox at Oregon State?

Speaker 7 (17:36):
Well, I think it's interesting in Wilcox, I'm just not
sure he's gonna get like ten million bucks from cal
I don't know if he wants to jump back in.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
There now. He is from.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
Oregon, right, he grew up like halfway between I think Corvallis.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
And Eugene Uh.

Speaker 7 (17:54):
I think it might be too soon to be honest
with him. Rollovich is an interesting case. I think Oregon
State should have go after Rolovich. They talked to him
and decided to go in a different direction. The thing
about Rolovich at Cal is he is very tight with
Jared Kiowai Sangapola Telly, who is the quarterback Cal is
desperate to keep and everybody wants because the guy is

(18:15):
a phenomenal as a freshman and he is very close
with Rolovich, the kids from Hawaii. Rolovic has got a
big background in Hawaii.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
Coach there.

Speaker 7 (18:26):
Keeping Rolovich either as the head coach unlikely, but maybe
as the offensive coordinator I think would help Cal keep
the quarterback and he might be the hottest quarterback on
the market.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
This this transfer cycle.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
Got it all right, John, Before you go, speaking of hot,
you are red freaking hot nine to four on the
air so far this year.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
You have now won four in a row, five and
one in your last six.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
You nailed Arizona just kicking a snot at a Baylor
on Saturday. Let's make it ten and four. What a
run that would be in the regular season. To go
ten and four over fourteen weeks, you're a win away,
my friend, who do you like this weekend?

Speaker 7 (19:09):
Does the nine to four record get trigger my rollover
contracts so I can come back next year.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
As long as Dick and I are betting, and it
triggers whatever the hell you want? Free dinner, there's some
pizza sent to the house, college tuition for the kid, whatever,
So let's make it ten and four.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
Go for it.

Speaker 7 (19:24):
I am actually gonna pick the Ducks, and it's strictly
because the number I saw was six and a half,
and I think that's a big half a point. As
we talked about earlier, if it were seven and a half,
I probably would stay away.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
I feel compelled to pick that game.

Speaker 7 (19:41):
It's such a huge game in the Pacific Northwest and
on the West Coast, and I love the rivalry.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
I feel compelled to pick it.

Speaker 7 (19:47):
And with that number, I think Oregon is a slightly
better bet than the Huskies.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
I love it Oregon minus the six and a half.
You can play the emotional heads, you play the Ducks,
you win some money, but play the money line though.
If they don't win, then you get to win by
the dogs and you're happy either way.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
Man.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Really, in the end, John, it's about making me happy,
which is the point of this entire thing.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
So thanks, true.

Speaker 7 (20:08):
Although I do think you guys had a great point.
And I don't know what the total is, but the
under might be a good bet.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, fifty one and a half, John, That's that was
my picture.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
Yeah, all right, that's a lot.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
That's a lot, Harley the ducks in the under and
really walk away with some dough. All right, John, listener,
you have a great Thanksgiving on Thursday. Man, appreciate you
more than you know. And we're talking a week Buddy Son.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
Thanks guys, sand you enjoy the game.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
All right, John Wilner with us, we're going to break
Paul Allen, the voice of the Minnesota Vikings. What does
he see happening coming up on Sunday at lumen Field?

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Come on, man, oh my god.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
We'll talk with him at six on ninety three three KJARFM.

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I'm looking for a Viking's injury report from practice today.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Have you guys seen one?

Speaker 6 (21:25):
By the way?

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Get they did not? You know what? You're exactly right,
that's why you didn't see one? Can I still align
from Jackson by the way police for a second? How
dumb can I be? Look at an injury report Jackson? Perfect?
How dumb can I be? It's Tuesday? Well, but do
you say it yourself? It feels like yeah, it totally

(21:50):
feels like Friday.

Speaker 8 (21:50):
The only reason what Tuesday was locked into my head
was because of the Husky Hawks.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
So I've been looking online for a Seahawk and a
Viking injury report for two hours.

Speaker 8 (22:01):
Two hours I've been wasting, guys. You know what's really
interesting about this JJ McCarthy injury. I saw it was
very funny because.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
He's got a concussion. That's what it is.

Speaker 8 (22:12):
Yeah, but before remember the concussion was diagnosed after he
got home.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
You're saying there's some shenanigans.

Speaker 8 (22:21):
What really interesting is there was a tweet from barstool
after the game and it said, Wow, looks like the
Vikings are going to have to make up an injury
for JJ McCarthy. And then twelve hours later they say
JJ McCarthy has a concussion. I'm not saying they're faking anything,

(22:42):
but I am saying that people were questioning.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Whether they should fake something.

Speaker 8 (22:47):
So then he has a concussion because he was quote
unquote not feeling well on the plane home, so we
tested him.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Well, it's possible, that's legit, of course, right that passes muster.
That rass mustard absolutely smells like something that could have happened.
That maybe it wasn't diagnosed during the game, maybe somebody
missed it, maybe they did clear him during the game,
and then all of a sudden he gets on the
plane going home and he feels like crap. Yes, and
they test him when he gets back and they think
he's got a concussion.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
So that certainly is possible.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
I guess I'm trying to come up with a reason
why the Vikings would want to fake an injury for him.
Number one, If they got caught, they'd be in huge trouble,
huge trouble like fines, draft picks, the whole thing. That'd
be bad. Number one.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
But there was speculation from barstool there.

Speaker 8 (23:33):
But there I'm talking about before this, There was speculation
earlier this year that they had a healthy JJ McCarthy
sitting on the bench because they were preferring to start
Carson Wentz.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
And so so you're but again, so if we're going
to parse this out, you think the Vikings are admitting
behind the scenes that they made a mistake with JJ
McCarthy and just don't want to play the guy. It
appears so don't want isn't this the year where you're
four and seven and you want to see what you've
got in the guy and what the hell rolled him
out there?

Speaker 8 (24:02):
Now, especially when he got Max Brosmer or whatever the
dude's name that would it would be starting instead of
a card.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
That's why I don't think they would make this up.
I think this is more.

Speaker 10 (24:10):
I think I think this is more an indictment of
the their ability to diagnose concussions during James.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
But it's the league.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
The league's got a guy standing there right, Like, remember
you said, up, who was the dude that got into
a fight with the guy? Was it Jamal No, Jamal
Adam Adam? Remember last year Jamal Adams. Well a couple
of years wasn't it Jamal or was it somebody else?
Somebody for the Seahawks went after like the league's concussion

(24:37):
protocol guy right and got in his face. And I
think it was Jamal Adams that did it a couple
of years ago. And then obviously you've got the thing
with Brian Dable when Jackson Dark and he stuck his
head in the injury tent and he got busted for it.

Speaker 8 (24:52):
But I think it was Jamal Adam years ago in October,
he was fined fifty thousand, Like what.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
In the league, man, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 10 (25:00):
The NFL has made this big old thing about caring
about concussions. Well, you sure ain't doing a very good
job at diagnosing it during.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Games NFL apparently, Well, look, it's one example of them
dropping the ball. I don't know how many other times
it's happened. I'm certain that nothing is one hundred percent.
Are he's going to be cracks in the system. Eventually
you're gonna have a guy who slips through. But I
don't believe that the Vikings are purposely making up an injury.
So JJ McCarthy can sit out and they can go

(25:27):
to this other kid and see what he's all about.
They've got to find out what they've gotten JJ McCarthy
right now, because look, if JJ McCarthy ends up being terrible,
they might have to pull an Arizona Cardinal. And what
I mean by that, remember they drafted Josh Rosen like
tenth overall. Very next year, they took Kyler Murray number one.
They said, we don't care, we don't care. We think

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there's somebody, And I think that was more about them
loving Kyler Murray than them hating Josh Rosen. And there's
no Kyler Murray in this draft. By the way, Who's
going to be the obvious number one pick next year?

Speaker 8 (25:59):
What's interesting is the two most disastrous quarterback situations in
the league are both changes from last year. One I
thought was going to work in Gino Smith, and one
I thought was acid nine at the beginning, and that
was JJ McCarthy. So it's weird that both these teams,

(26:19):
the Raiders and the Vikings, decided to move on and
it has just been disastrous.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Gino has a twenty nine QBR, thirty second in the league.
JJ has lasted a twenty four point eight.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yes, well, at least JJ McCarthy can say I'm a rookie, right,
I've never played before. I mean, Gino just looks terrible.
He looks absolutely terrible, and he may have just gotten
Jim Kelly fired and he may get Pete Carroll fired, right,
I mean, look, you know, obviously Pete Carroll I think
is looking at Geno Smith as a short term option.
They got to find a quarterback. Who that guy is
going to be? I don't have any damn idea. Is

(26:52):
Daniel Jones on a one year deal with the Colts?
By the way, do we know that? I think he's
I mean, like, why wouldn't he be? Would he not
be on a one year deal? He's not wouldn't go
enough to get a multi contract. He's going to be
a gigantic player in free agency, right. I mean, he's
not playing as good as he was earlier, but he's
still good.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
He'll get a GENO.

Speaker 10 (27:12):
I think Sam Donald's say like copy and paste Sam
Donald's deal to do.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I think you're right.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
I think you're right because the Sam Donald contract doesn't
look in comparison to other quarterbacks like that big of
a pill to swallow. And I wonder if the Raiders
would try and move on from Geno and grab him
and Daniel Jones springing to Vegas.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Well, don't you think though?

Speaker 8 (27:28):
In order for Daniel to get Sam Donald's deal, though,
don't you think he needs to be the good Daniel
Jones instead of the Daniel Jones we've seen the last
two or three weeks. I think the last month of
the season is really important to Daniels Dick.

Speaker 10 (27:42):
I'm completely opposite because Sam Donald just absolutely flunked down
the stretch for the Vikings in those big games, including
the playoffs. Daniel Jones has done the exact same work
that Sam Donald did in the most of the regular
season last year. So now I think if he does
do the opposite of Sam. If he does do have
big games down the stretch, does do well in the playoffs,

(28:03):
I think he gets deal.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
He might get more than Sam Donald's making if he
does all that, if he takes the Colts deep in
the playoffs, he might get more. I mean, they've got
the dead cap on Gina was only eighteen and a half.
It's not ridiculous. I mean, they can swallow that if
they have to in Vegas. But I'm with you. I
think that there is just a there's a serious lack
of quarterbacks available right now in the NFL. When you
got all these teams that are giving all these reclamation

(28:26):
projects second and third chances, and a lot of them
are working out right Clearly they're working out. Baker Mayfield,
Sam Donald, Daniel Jones. I mean, Gino was.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Kind of working out, but that magic dust may be
gone down. Jones would work with the Raider.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
There's not a lot of options out there, dude, There's
just not and teams get desperate. Teams are desperate for
quarterbacks right now. All right, Paul Allen is going to
join us coming up at six o'clock tonight. The Voice
of the Vikings on ninety three to three KJRFF. Lord,
you remember watching Luke Wattenberg play at U dub By
the way playoffense line for you, dub Well, Luke Wattenberg

(29:02):
just got a four year, forty eight million dollars deal
with Denver with twenty seven million dollars guaranteed.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
That is unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
I thought he was good, but my guy, I thought
he's good, but nine unbelievable. Dude, that's a Chris Peterson
recruit right there. Came in twenty sixteen, if I'm not mistaken.
So Luke Wattenberg getting a ton of money from Denver.
Seahawks Minnesota Paul Allen will join us in a matter
of minutes here on the radio show.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
We'll talk about that Viking football team.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
I want to know just what is it like for
Viking fans when they see images of Sam Darnold and
Daniel Jones wearing Viking uniforms standing on their sideline together
at the end of twenty and twenty four.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
How does that land for them?

Speaker 4 (29:43):
And then how does it land when they look at
Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones and see I believe they're
what fifteen and six combined?

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Right now in the NFL player scream drop. That's how
I would feel if as a Viking.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Actually, I'm sorry, they are sixteen and six combined in
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
I wouldn't and their guy stinks.

Speaker 8 (30:00):
Have gotten it at the time, and I don't get
it now and they.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Are stuck, stuck. The way they handled the whole thing.

Speaker 8 (30:07):
They handled the whole I mean, I would have kept
one of those two guys.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Well, I guess.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
I mean, you can't really keep darnold if you're playing
McCarthy right, because you're not paying your backup quarterback thirty
million bucks. So it's either it's Daniel Jones or nobody.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Right, Daniel Jones as a bridge.

Speaker 8 (30:24):
See what you have McCarthy get another year under his belt,
because quarterbacks they always get rushed in the league. They're
always worse when they get rushed in the league. Let
him have a veteran to learn under for another season,
particularly since he didn't take a snap last year because
he was injured. I think he's essentially a rookie. He's
not a second year a guy.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
I think they tried to do that with Carson Wentz.
That's why he was there, and it just didn't work
out because the guy got hurt.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Man, he's not good anymore. I mean, I maybe they thought.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
And honestly, Dick, going back in late December early January,
if I would have told you, hey, who would you
rather have mentoring JJ McCarthy, Carson Wentz or Daniel Jones,
some people may have said Carson Wentz over Daniel Jones,
and maybe he was a better option for them versus DJ.
Nobody saw what Daniel Jones is doing right now except
for one guy, and his name's Hugh Millin. You Milan,

(31:12):
he's the only guy that even called that. I mean,
Hugh Milin's been talking about Daniel Jones get the hell
out of New York City for three years and he
could be a decent quarterback, and so far he's been
bullseye with that opinion. So like nobody nobody batting an
eye right when Minnesota let Daniel Jones walk. They did
bat a little bit of an eye when they let
Darnald walk, yes, because he was the established dude. So

(31:34):
what you might want to in hindsight you sort of
thought about doing is just saying, look, let's just sign
Darnald and if it doesn't work out in year three,
like with Rogers and Farv and Julian Love and Aaron Rodgers,
or not Julian Love, Jordan Love and Aaron Rodgers. Then whatever,
we'll figure out year three. We'll figure out year four

(31:55):
in year four. But we're gonna bring Darnald back. He's
going to be our starting quarterback. And if we're not
paying J. J. McCarthy's squat to be our backup, then
well that's maybe what we would have done. Anyway, he
had to have paid a starter, big time money. It
mays we'll be a guy that went fourteen and three, especially.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
With what the Seahawks are paying Sam Darnold.

Speaker 8 (32:14):
Yeah, I mean it's just such a reasonable rate. I mean,
they knew at that rate they were going to get,
at the very least an above average quarterback, and the
Seahawks are getting much more than above average.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Quarterback for that rate.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Well, and then the fact that they're playing the Vikings
on Sunday, I mean, if he tears them up, dude,
it's just gonna be I mean, you want.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
To seriously, I am donald revenge game.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
I cannot imagine Paul Allen on the broadcast on Sunday
when Sam Donald lights up that Viking defense you, by
the way, led the league in interceptions a year ago
they had twenty four. You know how many picks the
Vikings have right now? They have three and they had
twenty four a year ago.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Three.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
So yeah, there's a chance that Sam Donald lights those
guys up. But he doesn't seem to be the kind
of guy that wants to look over at the sideline
and shove it up their ass.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
No, he doesn't have that kind of mentality. Plus, he's
been paid.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
I mean, let's face it, he owes a lot to Minnesota,
a lot to Minnesota for giving him a chance to start.
Nobody else was gonna do that, and they gave him
a chance to start. And because of that chance, he's
now making one hundred million dollars with a Seahawks. So
we're gonna break Paul Allen, the voice of Viking Football.
Here we go, baby, one of the best, if not

(33:22):
the best, in the National Football.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
League the season. Can't like that.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
He'll join us next on ninety three to three KJRFM.

Speaker 9 (33:28):
Wheeland will let it fly from about his own forty
miles Price heals on the ten end over end production
by Wheeland. Price is gonna let his sail over his head.
Nice bounce for Green Bay at the six. Price ran
in there and touched it.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
It's bouncing about at the five?

Speaker 9 (33:47):
It all depends on who it touched first, right, But
why is Miles even by the ball?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I have no idea to get them out of the
Are you kidding?

Speaker 6 (33:54):
That's ridiculous? I mean, that's just so ridiculous.

Speaker 9 (33:57):
Seriously, after the special teams l on different Dupreney last game, what.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
Is it better ridiculous that ridiculous or this ridiculous to.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Be a flag on that? That's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
A lot of ridiculous coming out of Minnesota right now, man,
But what do you say? We mentioned all of its
and bringing that guy the best there ever was, is
and ever will be His words, by the way, not mine,
The legendary voice of the Vikings nine to noon on Kfan,
the voice of Canterbury Park Racetrack in Minnesota, my friend

(34:29):
r Pal Paul Allen with us on the radio program PA,
how are you man?

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Well?

Speaker 11 (34:34):
David Softing? Have I told you how lately how great
your radio show is and I listened to it every
day on the pre iHeart audio app. And just what
you do for the iHeart family, and how important and
vital you are, and the endorsements and the advertising revenue
for your station.

Speaker 6 (34:51):
I mean, you just do you guys do.

Speaker 11 (34:54):
An unbelievably good job, man, and quite honestly, we give
banks for you this Thanksgiving week. I don't know if
our team wasn't four and seven on a three game
losing three kid by what has that all that? Yeah,
but I'm ready to take my medicine, softy, so give.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
It to me.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Well, I don't know if there's much medicine to give.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
I mean, there's a big part of me that feels
badly for what's happening out in Minneapolis. I've told you
forever that if the Seahawks can't be the team to
represent the NFC in the Super Bowl, I would gladly
root for the Minnesota Vikings. And then I see this video,
this archival footage b roll from the end of last year,
with Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones standing on the sideline,

(35:35):
and now Sam is starring in Seattle and Daniel is
ripping it up in Indianapolis. I mean, for lack of
a better question, man, how is that all being received
back home in Minneapolis.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
Well, that's a very good question.

Speaker 11 (35:50):
Now you frame that up because you know McCarthy Week
number one, twenty two years of age. All right, first
National Football League start. We're at Soldier Field, night football.
It's terrible for three quarters and we're not going to win.
And then McCarthy, who does have the clutch, gen legitimately
has that clutch. Gene catches fire, throws two touchdown passes,

(36:11):
runs one ind and single handily wins the game. Well,
then the next week we don't have a touchdown against
Atlanta home opener, bad for business. So then he hurts
his ankle. Fast forward after that, we're at Ford Field,
big underdogs like we are this weekend.

Speaker 6 (36:25):
We win the game.

Speaker 11 (36:26):
McCarthy had a lot to do with it against the
Lions at Ford Field.

Speaker 6 (36:30):
Holding out.

Speaker 11 (36:31):
Yeah, so you know, but then it's just been so
up and down, and now he has a concussion and
I don't know if he's going to play this weekend.
So that that's kind of what we have been through
this year in a nutshell. All right, Well, Sam, the
man who used to be on the van, Well, now
i's lighten it up in Seattle. But then we get
to that Rams game. Okay, in my estimation, his most

(36:54):
pressure filled, biggest moment as a quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks,
and we got the four picks and they lose. Okay,
So now that's that's part of the narrative until it's
not so. But but with one hundred million dollar deal
and trying to fortify things here and re signing players,
you know that that never was going to happen all
right now with Daniel Jones, you know, just just quite honestly,

(37:17):
and I'm hoping this is public, but it is not.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
Now it is.

Speaker 11 (37:20):
You know, I think the Vikings offered Daniel Jones more
money than Indianapolis gave him. But Daniel didn't want to
play the game of I don't need to compete with
the kid you took in the first round. So I'm
going to roll the dice that the Richardson kid in
Indianapolis that there there are problems, and I'm going to
start there. Great move by Daniel and and he bet

(37:41):
on himself and he won. So the Vikings made a
strong attempt to get Daniel Jones back, not necessarily.

Speaker 12 (37:48):
The case with Darnold. Here we are with a McCarthy.

Speaker 11 (37:51):
You might get undrafted gopher Max Brozmer this weekend and
and we'll see how the whole thing shakes out.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
The softy Yeah, Well, Paul Allen's well on the show.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
And I got to go back to the Donald thing
for a second, right, And I really hate to. I
don't want to rub it in. I really hope you
don't feel like I'm doing that. I'm trying not to.
But you, well, you said something there about how it
was never gonna happen with Sam. There were other players
that had to be re signed, and I guess my
question would be, what player, what position is more important

(38:23):
than the one that Sam Darnald plays? What could have
been possibly more important than bringing back Sam Darnald? And
I wonder how much of their lack of interest in
bringing him back, Paul was the fact that they were
concerned that twenty twenty four was a aberration versus we
drafted this kid in the first round.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
We have to see what he's all about.

Speaker 11 (38:46):
Well, I should not have said never, okay, because that
meant that means I'm speaking for the team. And I
can't say it.

Speaker 6 (38:53):
Was a never.

Speaker 11 (38:53):
I was just riding my vibe, but it it, you know,
it's I always felt McCarthy would be the quarterback in
two on twenty five, So therefore never's too strong a
longer shot. May it may have been wrong, okay, but really,
I mean it's that I have nothing against Sam Man.
I mean, Darnald was nice to me when he was here.

(39:14):
You know, I'll do these little drive by interviews in
the locker room after they win, where I.

Speaker 6 (39:18):
Go player to player to player to player.

Speaker 11 (39:20):
Sam doesn't even know me, super cool with it. So
I have nothing against Sam Darnold. But and I was
the one when the Vikings signed him, and I knew
he was going to.

Speaker 12 (39:29):
Start first game against the Giants, and.

Speaker 11 (39:31):
It never was going to be anybody else, including McCarthy.
You know, I would say, guys, I mean, there's a
reason he was third overall picking the draft. His skill
set's fantastic. And if you think, if you think setting
up offense to Robbie Anderson with the Jets and tight
end Ee and Thomas with Carolina is what O'Connell does
here with Jefferson, Addison and Hawkinson, you're out of your mind.

(39:51):
And that that went to burying its fruit. And you know,
so Sam, in a great situation, really came through. Then
we got to week eighteen, in that Lions game, and
if you watch it back, I'm telling you, I've said
this to you before. There were four or five opportunities
for touchdowns in a game that would have led the
Vikings to becoming the one seed.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
That Sam just missed. Man.

Speaker 11 (40:15):
I mean, the receivers ran the right routes, they protected
it nicely, and he blew it. He missed them next
week against the Rams with the nine sacks. I can't
put all that on Sam, but if you look at
the past performances, and I'm racetrack raised. So therefore we
got all these task performances in that Lions game and
in that Rams game it didn't work. We'll just stop

(40:35):
it there. So now you get all these wins in Seattle,
which is great.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
It's fantastic, man.

Speaker 11 (40:40):
Clint Kubiak, Andrew Jenoko, Rick Dennison, Leslie Fraser, Jeff Howard.
There are a lot of people on that staff that
I've known for a long time. And I love Andrew Jenoko,
Leslie Fraser, and Clint Kubiak, I've known him forever. I
hope you guys win at a high level, man, because
we ain't gone anywhere. So with that set I'm pulling
for you from afar. Nothing against Sam, but I was

(41:02):
watching closely that Rams game this year because that is
the most pressure filled moment that he's based wearing those
colors and we had.

Speaker 6 (41:08):
The four picks.

Speaker 11 (41:09):
Okay, again, nothing against Sam, but until you guys are
going to the playoffs and you might have a really
good seed and you might have a home game. So
let's just get through that before we fully determine. Yeah,
what the Minnesota Vikings lost and what the Minnesota Vikings gained.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Well, and we have to let McCarthy play this thing
out for a while. I mean, the kid is basically
a rookie, for God's sakes, in his first year in
the NFL. So I think you're right on both counts.
And you're also right about the narrative about Sam. I mean,
there's not a lot of data of big games to
go back and see how he performs. The problem is,

(41:47):
you know, we have three of them in the last
year that we can point to, two of them against
the division arrival and one of them against the Lions.
But that narrative is not going to go away. You're
exactly right. Until the guy steps up and deliver is
one of the likes the brightest. My question though, to
you call out.

Speaker 11 (42:04):
So let me sorry to be a human clipping penalty,
but let me lay it out like this. Say I'm
the owner of the Minnesota Vikings. Yes, and the general
manager and the.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
Head coach and the head coaches, the coach of the year.

Speaker 11 (42:16):
They come to me and they implore me to give
him the deal that he got, maybe even a little more.
And McCarthy's not going to start. He's going to be
the guy. If I'm the owner of the team, I
look at somebody and I'm like, Okay, I'm going.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
To sign off on this.

Speaker 11 (42:32):
But I also remember week eighteen in the first playoff game,
as do you. So if that happens again, that's on you.

Speaker 6 (42:42):
And that's how people get fired.

Speaker 11 (42:44):
Man. So plus plus they had the first round pick,
you know who. It's going to take some time raising
this kid and everything. So it's a tricky talker. I
understand the stance that you've taken. I've heard it before,
but my stance has to be respect until he pushes
through it. And I'll just be straight with you, softy,

(43:04):
I hope Sam Donald pushes through it. I don't care
if you guys win the Super Bowl, man, and if
Sam Donald's the Super Bowl MVP, that doesn't eed a me.
Stuff like that doesn't eeded me. Okay, I want that
staff I mentioned, and for you and for the fan base.
I like the Seahawks man, I always have. So I
hope he pushes through the playoff related pressure, yeah, and

(43:29):
is able to do things.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
At a high level.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Paul Allen, longtime voice of Minnesota Viking Football nine to
noon host on Kfan, the Jaggernaut, the flame Thrower in Minneapolis,
voice of Canterbury Park as well in Minnesota with us
on the radio program. But the four and seventh start
after eleven Paul, for you guys versus nine and two

(43:51):
a year ago, is it all about Sam Donald not
being there and all about the quarterback play? Because I'm
looking at a defense, dude. If I'm in my lost
of research to prepare for this conversation, I noticed that
you led the league in interceptions a year ago with
twenty four and now you've only got three after eleven games.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
So what gives?

Speaker 11 (44:12):
Okay, in fairness, now you're starting the twenty two year
old quarterback and then he gets hurt, so now you
go with wentz and then he gets hurt, and now
McCarthy's hurt again. Okay, that's a problem. Ye, that's just
a problem right there. And when McCarthy gets hurt, it
keeps taking place in games where nobody exactly knows where
it is, and that kind of bugs me.

Speaker 6 (44:31):
Loki.

Speaker 11 (44:32):
Secondly, we before last week when the Vikings lost at
Lambeau and it was just a bad loss. Man, they
just didn't look good at all. That was the first
time all year the preferred offsive line from left tackle
to right tackle had been together.

Speaker 6 (44:47):
Well.

Speaker 11 (44:47):
Of course, in the second half the left tackle and
the left guard both leave Donovan Jackson, rookie from Ohio
State and Christian Darisol one of the best in the game.
But before that they had eighteen different offensive line combinations
during this Who in the hell is going to win
consistently with that? Now we go to the defense. I've
watched the defense all year.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
Hold this team in games.

Speaker 11 (45:09):
To the best of its ability. We keep getting killed
in the time of possession, man, I mean the Packers
had it like thirty eight minutes. Man, we had it
twenty two. Wow, We're leaving games running forty five to
forty nine plays. That's absurd. So defensively they're mostly holding
it together. But from an interception standpoint, well, just I mean,

(45:33):
we have.

Speaker 12 (45:33):
Three interceptions, Okay, that is so by far.

Speaker 11 (45:35):
The fewest through eleven games in the history of Minnesota
Vikings football. It's a problem. We're minus like twelve in
the take give the only team below us is the Jets.
Well that's bad for business. So you got those things.
But there have been injuries defensively too. Our two best
defensive players are Jonathan Garnard and Andrew Van Ginkel, and

(45:56):
they both have missed at least well for Grenard a
handful of games, maybe a little less. Van Ginkle missed
like a month and change. Okay, hopefully Grenard can play
this weekend. It's super super key there.

Speaker 12 (46:09):
So I just sent the defenses.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
Wearing down a little bit because the.

Speaker 12 (46:12):
Offense just like like our first three.

Speaker 11 (46:14):
Possessions in the second half at lambeau Field Man we
went three plays minus twelve It took two minutes three
plays minus twelve yards.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
It went two minutes, three plays one yard, or it
went two and a half minutes.

Speaker 11 (46:28):
So we've just seen a lot of that this year.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Yeah, yeah, Well, Paul Allen's with us. I think this
conversation is going great. It's the exact opposite of that
podcast that you and I did together a couple of
years ago during the crack and wild Game A. Our
bosses have both had every now and then a good
idea that was not one of them, and I.

Speaker 11 (46:50):
Could have been yeah, I could have been. Okay, he
put the what's the guy's name Stefanopolis or Picadopolis.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Petrus Papadacus, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (46:58):
Yeah, you put us three to and now see, I'm
not a team employee with the Minnesota Vikings, all right,
I'm a hired gun that gets like one of the
worst ten ninety nine humanity ever can see. So therefore
I'm like gray Area when it comes to talking about
gambling on podcasts or Softy Show or my show, I'm
gray area there. But if you, myself and.

Speaker 12 (47:20):
Petro ever get the opportunity, well, first.

Speaker 11 (47:23):
And foremost gambling would have to be legalized in this
in this foolish day. I don't know if it is
out there oren notough, it is not here and it
ain't close. So if that ever happened, you, Petros and
I for iHeart spotting up on money Line couts. Yeah,
let's put it this way. It wouldn't be a podcast
to which people were listening. It would be supplemental income

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for them.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
Well as the kids like to say, we would kill
it with that podcast, no doubt.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
So, no cap.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Let's see maybe one day when all three of us
are looking for a little more freedom in our careers,
maybe when we're not to shackled, you know by the
bonds of iHeartMedia. Maybe one day we'll go down that road.
But Paul Allen's with us, the voice of the Viking.

Speaker 11 (48:07):
Be careful, be careful with this weekend, okay, because the
Vikings are a talented bunch.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
There is a different form of.

Speaker 11 (48:15):
Pressure coming on your quarterback this weekend, given the defense,
the defensive coordinators.

Speaker 12 (48:21):
And a coordinator, and the players on the other side.

Speaker 11 (48:24):
I'm not offended that Seattle's a nine to ten point favorite.
I completely understand that, and I respect the season.

Speaker 12 (48:30):
But it's just.

Speaker 11 (48:32):
Astounding to me, ma'am that that team is eight and
three and they're minus seven and the take gift, I
can't say I've ever seen that in my life. So
you know, we have twenty one turnovers and Seattle is
twenty and the quarterback has given the ball away fourteen times,
So I just would be careful with you know, with
this whole trash talking equation here, Well, I.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Don't think anybody's really talking trash.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
It's it's hard.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
It's hard to talk trash to a guy that's representing
four and seven football team.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
I'll be totally honest, Williant.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
If this was seven and four versus eight and three,
I think we might have a little more fireworks on
the radio show. But I will tell you, and you
can feel free to use this on your program out there.
But I know you've done a lot of research yourself,
so you probably already know this that Mike McDonald paul
in a year and a half in Seattle is twelve
and two on the road. He's six and eight at

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lumen Field. He's under five hundred at lumen Field. And
there's two things to that. Number One, there's gonna be
a lot of Viking fans, I'm certain in the stands
on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
And then number.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Two, Okay, well, at some point we think that six
and eight's gonna turn around and this team is gonna
start winning games on the road. My question to you
to wrap this up and I'm not trying to be
a smart ass here. I know nothing about Max Brosmer.
You saw him play at Minnesota with the Gophers, Brosemer, sorry,
you saw him play while he was rowing the boat
at at Minnesota for PJ.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Now he's the number two guy behind McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Do we a Seahawk fan, honestly, do we want to
see Brosmer versus Mark Karthy or do the Vikings maybe
still have a better shot of winning this thing with JJ.

Speaker 11 (50:09):
Okay, first and foremost, you're gonna need to know his
name just in case he beats you. It's Brosemer.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I thought.

Speaker 6 (50:17):
You kept saying Brosmer. Well that's okay. I've heard Brosma
a million times.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
You know what, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
I'll tell you what if he starts, if he starts
on a Sunday afternoon, I'll have it nailed down by then.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
How's that?

Speaker 6 (50:28):
Well?

Speaker 11 (50:28):
As the kids would say, I just don't want Brosmer
catching strays. So with that said, uh, I'm just gonna
I'm just gonna leave it with a couple of things
for you. Okay, A I'm guaranteeing you they hit on
an undrafted quarterback. Okay, to what level, I don't know,
but they hit on one. This kid is not afraid.

(50:50):
He processes things very quickly. And we saw that in
the preseason and training camp in the joints with New England,
and you can't teach Kool and he has it. This
kid is not afraid and and he will give absolutely
every single thing Kevin O'Connell wants in this game. Hopefully
it's good enough. I'm starting to work on your defense today. Wow,

(51:12):
all we collop all the speed? Wow. I mean there's
like like the Ernie Jones bit. I don't know if
he's going to play or not, but I mean, Reek
Wollan's a backup, Are.

Speaker 6 (51:20):
You kidding me?

Speaker 12 (51:21):
I mean with a Witherspoon.

Speaker 11 (51:22):
Witherspoon is so good at what he does from what
I watched this morning. So yeah, man, and DeMarcus Lawrence.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
With the touchdown.

Speaker 12 (51:29):
So it's it's a tall task.

Speaker 11 (51:31):
That's a reason Brosmer in the Vikings, if Brosmer plays,
are ten point underdogs here. And you know what, I guess, uh,
I guess we probably shouldn't even show up the way
you made this conversation sound until they unleash Grenard and
or Van Ginkel assuming Grenard plays, and you better hide
the women and children.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
My friend Brosmer, Max Brosemer, He's.

Speaker 11 (51:53):
I might not even play, but if he does, you
got to get it right.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
He's not your brosmer, he's your brosmer.

Speaker 11 (52:00):
And you know I call game for a team that
employees Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison. Yeah, and Jefferson has
gone six games without a one hundred yard game.

Speaker 6 (52:09):
I mean that's so by.

Speaker 11 (52:10):
Far the longest stretch of his career. He's frustrated, understandably,
So yeah, I can argue Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase. Those
guys best two receivers in the NFL, maybe for the
next ten years. Jackson Smith and Jigba is unfreaking believable.
How he runs his routes and that full speed thing
in the shoulder shake and the break it at the

(52:31):
top of the route. What a freaking handful he's become.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Nobody can stop him. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
We keep waiting for it, Paul, Honestly, every single week,
we keep waiting for someone to shove an elbow right
in his mouth.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
We wait for someone to put a forearm into.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
His chest press this guy, knock him off his route,
get him out at a sink. Nobody can do it.
It's unbelievable. And now he's on pace to break Calvin
Johnson's record, by the way, with like thirty five less
targets than Calvin Johnson got when he was running around
playing for the Lions. So yeah, JSN is gonna be

(53:09):
a problem because he's been a problem for everybody.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
All Right, you're the man. Can't wait to see you
this weekend.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
Travel safe, enjoy Turkey Day Thursday, and we'll talk soon,
my man, appreciate.

Speaker 11 (53:20):
It, and happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. I
and we back here give banks seriously for your friendship
and helping with the radio show, and just how seriously
you take your craft. And may God bless you and
your family and go Huskies against those ducks this weekend.
I know that matters to you, and I hope I

(53:40):
get a chance to see you this weekend.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Okay, yeah, you bet, buddy. Paul Allen. Always great to
have him on the show. Love having him on.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
He's a great broadcaster, but he's an even better dude,
really honestly mean that always fun having him on the show.