November 4, 2025 • 30 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain chat with Husky Honk Greg Lewis about the Huskies as the team prepares to face Wisconsin Saturday, then Hugh Millen joins the guys to break down the Seahawks trading for Saints receiver Rashid Shaheed.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
All right, well, two of those three things are true
except for the first one because Mario Bailey is not here.
He's in Australia, so he will not be joining us today.
Hopefully we can get him on Saturday's pregame show while
Greg and I are slogging it to Wisconsin, flying out
there in Class Baby with Delta Airlines on Thursday, doing
the show Friday night from Madison to the place called
(00:56):
You'll Love This the Scanie Bar out in Madison on
Friday night at five o'clock Central time. So Greg, bring
your wallet because you're buying. How are you man? What's
going on.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Well, I'm doing all right. I'm gonna leave my wallet
at home. My purpose Rich Moore hopefully's covering everything. And
I guess the real real question is this, how early
do we have to be there before our flight in
order to make it on time? With all the shutdown stuff?
We got three hours, four hours before five, hardly we
got to get their home.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
So the word is there's one air traffic controller on
the job right now and one tsach and he may
be taking a lunch while we take off. So we're
leaving Thursday around one thirty. I'll see you there tonight.
By the way, how about that we'll meet either tonight,
have a little nice to do whatever, Well, I will
bill rich Moore for it. Well, Mario's out Dix here
(01:48):
as well, so we'll talk some dogs and Greg. I
gotta tell you, man, I was out there today talking
to Carver Willison, John Mills, and even more impressed with
John Mills after I spoke to him.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I don't know if you guys know this or not.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I didn't know that he literally just turned eighteen, like
a week and a half ago.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So that means in the.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Opener, in the Big ten opener, He's seventeen years old,
starting at left guard and looking good like playing well.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I mean, this is not some schlump out there.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So Greg, how impressed and almost floored have you been
by what this now eighteen year old kid has been doing.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, I mean we've had conversations so far this year
talking about that this guy is a future All American.
He's a future NFL player, And there's nothing about him
that I've seen on the field that would tell me
any different. You know, a little bit of a bump
in the road with the injury, but you know, thinking
about him coming back last week playing well, and now
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they had a week or two weeks ago, now they've
had this week off and going down to Wisconsin. I
just think that boat's so much better for the Huskies
in what they're going to need to do in order
to get the win down there. Him and Carver on
that left side being strong again. But yeah, John's amazing
and I don't expect him to be here more than
three years and then soon thereafter be playing on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
The run game with those guys in is just simply different.
I mean, Jonah Coleman's yards per carries three point one
in the three games that Willis and Mills were out together.
So is it just as easy as snap of a finger,
Willis's back, mills Is back, They're going to be able
to run the football the rest of the season, or
is there still some concerns in your mind with the
run game.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Well, I don't know if I've ever had what I
would call concerns about the run game per se. I think,
you know, all of those things matter, the offensive line
being healthy. I think we have a really really good
running back and good depth. I think our run game
is always going to depend on the coach's willingness to
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continue to pound the ball get into the second half
where we've worn some defenses down. I think, you know,
we tend to use our running backs in the past
game a little bit. We like to, you know, toss
it around. And I think just from a style perspective,
the run game hasn't had a fair chance to average
four and five carries because most teams, if you look
(04:16):
at data, I'm sure, do better in the second half
after they've run the ball fifteen to twenty times in
the first half, and you get in those last ten
to twelve carries the second half. So I think the
run game is okay. I just think Husky's, if they
really wanted to get the bigger numbers, need to commit
to running more well.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And that I mean, Greg, you're saying the run games okay.
I mean that's that's a major disappointment, right. I mean,
if you were to told me in August that you
would say on November fourth, the run game is okay.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I'm like, that's not good enough.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Not with Joan Coleman coming back, and guys, he's if
you just look at Big Ten games, he's fifteenth in
the conference in rushing, fifteenth in five games.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
He hasn't even.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Cracked three hundred yards, got four touchdowns, but he's nowhere
near a Big Ten first or second team running back
right now. This is not even close. So but those
guys were out for three of those five games. Well yeah,
so what I mean voters don't care about that though.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, but it all works together. If those guys are out,
then you're less likely to pound the run game, so
you're less likely to get Jonah those carries, especially you know,
early in the game first half and wearing that defensive
side down a little bit to get the second half,
and he gives some bigger chunk of yards.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I mean, if you look, you cannot tell me that
Jonah Coleman is not a talented, really good running back
and that the run game after three yards it's about him.
It's not about him. It's about the reluctance of pounding
the football that they just don't do that well.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And see, I would agree with that.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I don't think it's about those guys being out dick,
because I thought that Jonah Coleman was the kind of
guy that would give us a tremendous running game no
matter who was on the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And it's not like they brought in chopped liver.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
They brought in a guy that started last year, and
they brought in a four star second year player in
Pockey Fee Now. And I actually I think McCree and
Fenale played okay when they were in there for Carver
Willis and John Mills. But Greg, you're exactly right, because
you go back and look at Ohio State thirteen carries,
Maryland eighteen, Rutgers fourteen, Michigan sixteen, Illinois fourteen. The volume
of carries from game to game has been pretty similar
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for Jonah Coleman. He has not popped the twenty carry
mark since the opener in the first game of the year,
and he's only done it once.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
In his last ten Big Ten games. That's crazy, man.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yeah, it's just the style thing. And you know, whether
those guys being out dictated that or not, I don't know.
You know, those backup guys they did, they played pretty good.
You know, I wouldn't you know, say they're the same, No,
as not Carver Willis and John Mills, though there might
be some reluctives on the coach of staff site, but
I just don't think that right now. They they believe
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their best option is to drop back and hand the
ball off to him twenty five times. And you know,
whether that's two or not doesn't matter of the coaches
they're calling the plays and us they like to do.
And of course we do have a weapon at the
quarter of acquisition and some wide receivers that are playing well,
and so you know, it makes it a little tougher
to keep turning around handing the ball off well.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Just to provide some contacts. He only did it twice
last year, so it's not like he did it all
the time last year and is not not doing it
this year. But Greg, what have we learned about this team?
I'm having a hard time with any huge takeaways because
they've lost to the two really good teams we've played,
and they've beaten all the mediocre to good teams all
of all the one pretty handily.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So you know, what are what is this team right now?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah? I think you're seeing a team that's signing that
out themselves through the course of the year. You got
a lot of different guys playing this year than played
last year. You have a new coordinator on the defensive
side of the football, and so these guys are figuring
that out and determining who they are. And when you
have a talented team, talented players weapons like they do,
you grow together as the season goes along. So I
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think early in the year, you know, having to jump
up and play in Ohio State that's a tall task,
and learning how to win on the road. Last year's
zero row wins. This year we've gotten some row wins.
But going into Michigan at nine am, you know, was
a tough task. And so I think this is a
good football team that's getting better every week. You have
a quarterback that is still in his first twelve thirteen
(08:20):
starts as a college football player who's super talented, who's
getting better every week but each week, but we've seen
him have a stinker two here there, and that's when
they typically don't win. So I think what we have
is a really good football team that's still growing together
but getting better every single week. And I think they
have an opportunity here with this stretch of games being favorites.
(08:42):
You know, Wisconsin's zero to five in the Big ten
and two and six overall, this is a game you
should win and you should continue to grow together as
a team. So I think by the time the season
is over, we might have a nine to ten win
football team because they are literally getting better every week
sensibly and defensively.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, there's no excuse to lose any of these next three.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I mean, Ucla, Perdue, Wisconsin are all games that Washington
is going to be heavily favored. And I think they're
ten and a half point favorites this week it Wisconsin,
at least that's the last number that I saw, So,
I mean, here's the thing about Wisconsin though, Man.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
They're scrappy.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I mean they held Oregon to seven points in their
first half of their game down in Eugene last weekend
or two weeks ago and held the Ducks to twenty one.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So I don't know. I mean, when the when.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
The fire gets hot and they start talking about firing people,
things can go one of two ways. And you saw
the way it went in Penn State and maybe it's
starting to turn around there in Wisconsin. So making the
road trip multiple time zones. But why is it always
that the defense can dictate the tempo of a game?
Why can't the Huskies show up and they dictate the
tempo of this game?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Well, I think that's what needs to happen this week offensively,
and you know, let's not you know, make this dramatic.
You scored seventeen points. He used to win this football game, Wisconsin,
let's score one touchdown their last three games. Of course,
that's Iowa, Michigan, Ohio State some tough defenses, but they
haven't scored more than fourteen all year. Their best offensive
output is fourteen couple tens and that's it. So you
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score seventeen points, you should beat these guys. Having said that,
if you can go out and play offense on the
road like you started at home, then you should be
able to put these guys away early. They do not
have a dynamic offense. They do not score a lot
of points, and so offensively, you come out in the
first half, you score seventeen to twenty points. This football
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game should be over. And our defense as well as
they played recently, I don't expect that Wisconsin's all of
a sudden going to put up a lot of points.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Greg, Are the two corners playing as well as you
anticipated they were they would play? I mean know Tacario
has been out a lot, but I mean we anticipated
like a first team All Big Ten and a second
team All Big Ten corner from those two guys.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Are you seeing that?
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I mean, I think the statistics show that they're playing
pretty darn good. And when you look with the eye tests,
when have you seen us getting beat over the top
consistently by anybody? You haven't? You know, those guys are
men out on the corners, and I'll tell you some
of the young guys who've had to fill into playing well.
I really liked how rays and Clark looked. You know,
he got the interception, but I think overall he played
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extremely well out wide and in the slot. The last
couple of games so I think our corners are big,
they're physical, they take away some things at the line
of scrimmage. And keep in mind, you guys, they're doing
this with zero pass rush. I mean, our pass rush
has been disappointing to say the least, and these guys
are still keeping everything in front of them. They're getting
(11:34):
more takeaways. I think we've had more interceptions already this
year than we had all of last season. So I
think when you look at the data, it says that
these guys are playing extremely well.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, the pass rush. Look, I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I'd worry about it if they were playing anybody for
the next three games, but they're really not.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I mean, maybe UCLA, you know, is going down.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
They are weird whatever, blah blah blah, but they've always
got good talent and just have not been able to harness.
But you're kind of in a position now where it's
hard to not talk about going nine to two and
play in Oregon for a shot at maybe the playoffs.
I know the coaches aren't talking about that, the players
aren't thinking about that or talking about that, but we
can talk about it.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
So how curious are you? How interested are you? Greg?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
To see where the Huskies are ranked at five o'clock
tonight in the initial CFP rankings, because two or three
weeks ago we weren't even talking about this, and now
we are talking about finding out where they're ranked.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah. Well, I know I made a big stink last
week about an image problem. Why are we not ranked?
And lo and behold we get ranked that week we
don't play and win a game, right, you know, a
conversation ended of itself. We get ranked, then I'd be
interested only to see that we're in it, that we're
in the top twenty five somewhere. As long as we're
in the top twenty five, I think wins will take
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care of itself. And let's think that the system is
way more friendly now because you got what twelve teams
who make the playoffs, So you don't have to be
in that top fifteen to ten this time of year
because you don't have to get all the way to
number four in order to make the playoffs. All you
got to get is in that top twelve to thirteen
spots and be in the right conference. So I think
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for me, it's just a matter of being in the
top twenty five somewhere if we're there, then we got
to continue to win games. We can't lose the Wisconsin,
we can't lose the ULA or Purdue. We have to
win those games and then line it up against Oregon
at Husky Stadium with seventy six thousand people in there
going crazy and coming out with a win. And you know,
(13:32):
I think that's possible.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
But you do think they're going to be ranked at five, right?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I would assume they will be, but again, you know,
crazier things have happened. But my point is, as long
as we're in the top twenty five, we're fine, right.
As long as we're in the top twenty five.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, and you win these next three games, and maybe
you find yourself from the top fifteen in three weeks
from now and just move up by default. But regulis
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and I don't know if you guys ever really dived
into Wisconsin yet, But like you said, Greg, they're terrible.
I mean, they got two quarterbacks that have combined to
throw seven touchdowns and ten interceptions with seventeen sacks at Wisconsin,
Danny O'Neill and Hunter Simmons. They don't have a quarterback
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that's thrown for over seven hundred yards on the year
so far. Their top running back is a kid named
Dylan Jones who's got three hundred yards total on the season.
So what are we worried about? And e's Aslee Jones.
What are we worried about? Are we worried about the
defense kind of just losing their mind and giving up
a big play to a nobody from nowhere? We worried
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about Demon Williams having a bad game like he had
in the second half against Michigan.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
What are we worried about this week? If anything?
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Well, yeah, I'll say, you know, the last stat you
read about them with their running back having three hundred
yards is a tailtale sign. Wisconsin is known. We're having
great running backs, great strong running games, you know, keeping
the ball moving, you know, scoring methodically. And if they
can't do that, I don't know what the hell they
can do, so I don't see anything that I would
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be afraid of. You know, we got I know, you
guys got on me about talking about game times and
all that. That's not an issue. It's one thirty our time,
regardless of how many time zones. So to me, there's
absolutely nothing. The only thing that could derail this team
again is we've seen this, you know, once or twice
against some really good teams. I think where DeMont Williams
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just has not had a good football game on the road.
But I think those defenses have been completely better than Wisconsin's.
Although they played pretty good against Organ, I would argue
that Organ's not the offensive juggernaut that they've been over
the last few seasons either. And you know who knows
that they were overlooking Wisconsin, especially being in Otson and
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not caring about that game. I think the only way
we don't win this game is if the mom Williams
just has a stinker, and at this point in time,
during this time of the year, let's hope that doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Well, they're healthiest running back. I don't know if this said,
do pre Kid's gonna play. I think he missed the
organ game. But they got a kid named Gideon Atuca
who's run for one hundred and fifty yards. He is
their healthiest leading rusher right now, not the football team,
so there's no excuse to not just win, but also
dominate these guys on defense, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Shut them down. And we talked about the cornerbacks. Let's
talk about the rest of the defense. Who stands out
to you?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Who are they?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
It almost seems a little bit like a no name
defense that's all playing pretty well.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
But are there some blue chip guys?
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Are there some guys that you see in a year
or two they are going to be top three round
draft picks in the NFL on this defense.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I wouldn't go so far as to say top three
rounds in NFL because you know that sometimes that looks
real different on the field. It jumps out at you,
you know, real tight. But some of these young guys,
I'll say this our linebacker corps, especially for the number
of injuries we have there. I like Extray Alexander, I
like Zadarius Rainy sail when Jacob my New plays like him.
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Those guys have been super solid. Devin Brian, let me
not let's not forget about Brian. He's played extremely well,
not just against the run, but they do well in coverage.
Those guys are playing extremely good football. And some of
the young players in the secondary, obviously, you know, old Faithful,
I guess is what Mario calls Number seventeen has had
(17:32):
played really good at the safety spot. I believe he's
just a soft He's just a sophomore.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Right, Alex, Yeah, he's he's a younger guy. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
So I mean he has a chance, you know, if
he continues to improve. Again, I like the young guys
that play in the secondary. I've seen like Clark play
extremely well, made a great interception. You know, that guy's
got two or three years of college football lefts so
he could be somebody that could really jump out. But
I just really liked the way our linebacker corps has played.
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You know, I think upfront was still serviceable. But I
don't see anybody that really jumps out at me from
that perspective.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
All right, man, we'll see you tonight for our flight
on Thursday. See you in a couple hours. All right,
thanks man, alright, all.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Right, man.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
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Seahawks making a big trade today, sending a fourth and
fifth round draft pick to the New Orleans Saints for
wide receiver Rashid Shaheed. And there's only one man who's
been watching film of every single play of this guy's
season so far. Heck, he may have seen every play
of his career for good.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I believe it.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Nobody grinds more than our friend Hugh Millen. Joining us
right now on the radio station here.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
We how are you?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Man?
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Yeah, I'm doing all right. Yeah. That doesn't mean that
is not necessarily good. That just just means, I don't know,
it makes you have no life, is what it means.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It's okay, you know, I didn't want to say it.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
How many how many reps you over? Under two hundred
Rashid Shaheed reps have you watched since he was traded?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Uh? Well, I saw the sixty six of with him
as a receiver. As I've said, you don't just evaluate
a receiver on balls or thrown to him, because if
the coverage rolled away from him and he's got single
coverage and he can't win, and the quarterback barely even
looks at him, then you know that's that speaks a lot.
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So so I don't think that's the only way to
do it. But you know, I looked at I went
back and looked at some of his Russia attempts from
last year. I don't know, you watch one play at
least five times, so in that calculus, I would sneak
on the over very well. But the you know, I
think a point to make is that he in his
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second year was not just Pro Bowl, but first team
All Pro punt returner. One of the things that I
haven't mentioned. I didn't mention it earlier. I haven't heard
it mentioned. It's possible. Don't sleep on this as one
of the reasons you may we might be thinking, oh man,
this is like a slam on Tory Horton. It actually
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may be the reverse that you say, Tory Horton's too
valuable to have as the punt return right and put
this guy back. You know, look, I'm not forecasting not
I'm not projecting that. I'm just saying as I kind
of look at everything and evaluate everything, that's a possibility
that emerges in my mind.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well, let me ask you this because I heard you
with MJ earlier today and to just kind of recap
the emotions. I thought that you felt like, Hey, I
like the player, but fourth and fifth maybe a little
bit too rich for my blood. Now that you've watched
more film, you've watched more tape, you've thought about it
for the last five six hours, do you still feel
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that way or does this feel like a deal that
you can sign off on and feel good about. Well,
I think that if for me personally, if I said Okay,
yeah it's good, then it's barely good.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
If it's not good, then it's barely not good. In
terms of the value, we just don't know. I feel
like every time I I the more I watch him,
I just say, the word par just keeps coming up
to mind, like you're getting a you know, a number
two receiver that's kind of middle of the road, not
like not like a number two that's scratching at being
(22:07):
a number one. You know, could you argue he's more
of a fringe number two than than than than the former. Perhaps,
I think when I go through his skill set and
his traits, everything just kind of screams par at me.
So there's nothing that he does that is really elite.
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But I don't think he has any glaring weaknesses, perhaps
other than his size at five ten and five eighths
at the combine he's one eighty five. I'm certain he
weighs about ten pounds heavier than that. So he looks good,
you know. To that point, they had a rep where
they lined him up at tail The Saints lined him
up at tailback this year, and they on second three
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against Cowboys, they just topped tossed him the ball like
he was canine and you know, he had a pretty
good run, got the first down four yards on second three.
So so you don't do that unless you feel like
there's a durability factor and then there's a running factory.
Now he's had eight runs in two years, six from
a year ago, uh for four and a quarter you know,
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yards per rush nothing, you know, when I watch, I say,
is there a burst there? That's that's elite? No, I
don't see an elite burst. But do I am I
disappointed in his speed?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:23):
I think he's fast. Look, if you're five ten and
five eights and you know one one ninety five, you
better be fast. So when I when I when when I?
When you see a bubble, a rocket sweep or a
jet sweep whatever, call the what you want or bubble
screen as they've they've done, you would expect him to
show some twitch, and he does. He shows again par
par for what you'd expect at that size and and
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given you know his stats he's got in his entire career,
he's got two yard two games over one hundred yards receiving,
you know, So I just I don't know that we
can expect anything, you know, to carry on the analogy.
I don't think we can expect a lot of birdies
and eagles from this guy, but I think he can
just be, you know, give you a par performance on
a Sunday inn and Sunday out basis. And and and
(24:07):
a final thought, I'm sure this has occurred to you
and everybody. How many times have you thought in the
last few days and weeks, how screw of the Seattle Seahawks,
if JSN gets hurt like that could just grind the
whole thing down, like literally just like pull the emergency
brake on the entire offense, so that there could be
(24:30):
a component of this, like hey, we got to just
cover our ass, you know. So there's a there's a
lot of elements that that I think that this in
boxes that this checks.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
You talked about him visa v. Horton in the punt
return game. How about in the wide receiver game. Is
there a redundancy in his skill set that there is
with Horton or are they different guys?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
I think they're a lot different.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Dick.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Now, now I would have projected him just looking at it,
you know. To me, I look at his athletic traits,
and then I look at his specific wide receiver traits.
And I know you'll ask me about that, but but
his athletic traits would to me correlate to a slot
receiver at his size and his quickness, right, and and
yet for this year he's got forty two percent of
(25:11):
his his UH snaps are in the slot. A year ago,
in twenty twenty four, when Clint Kubiak was his offensive coordinator,
it was just twenty five percent in the slot. So
that ought to tell you something. And then and then
his receptions forty one percent from the slot this year,
forty percent from the slot last year. He only had
twenty catches last year. But uh so, so I think
(25:34):
Tory Horton is a long, striding, six foot two, gliding,
you know, outside threat, uh you know, with really good
ball skills and and and that size, you know, the
ability to go up and over and and what have you.
When I watch when I watch uh Shaheed here, you know,
(25:55):
obviously he's a lot shorter, and you know he can
kind of get eaten up some times on those press
fades when when you press him in a lot of routes.
Keep this in mind, when you're the outside receiver and
you get pressed a lot of routes, the hitch route,
a quick out route, a twelve yard six step speed out,
a skinny post. There's a lot of routes in the
(26:17):
playbook that convert to a fade. So if you want
to reduce the rout tree from a guy who lines
up outside, and we just gave you the numbers the
degree to which he's outside, then now all of a
sudden you say, okay, well that converts to a faide. Well,
if you don't have at that size, if you don't
have the elite acceleration in that you know, the first
(26:41):
couple to eight yards so that you can get because
your size on't Like, just go watch the forty nine
er tape and the you know, I mean there's a
number of times where where if he doesn't get the separation.
Now as a quarterback, you're trying to drop it down
the shoot on a guy under five eleven and and
(27:01):
and those corners they just you know, they're used to
having the battle taller guys out there, and they can
kind of swallow you up. So I think there's a
there's an element of him where I'd say, is there
anything that's subpart Let me go back to the analogy. Yeah,
I think there's a bogie in there when when you
talk about if he doesn't win at the line of
scrimmage down the field against a bigger corners, that's not
(27:24):
a matchup you like.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Well, here, we talked a week ago about the percentage
of passes that are going to Jackson Smith and Jigbath
and were compared it to everybody else in the NFL. Right,
Jamar Chase thirty five, Olave was at twenty nine, Christian
McCaffrey twenty four point seven, Kamara twenty three, Lad McConkie,
Pukainaku at twenty three, twenty six. Well after Sunday night,
(27:47):
Jackson Smith and Jigba is now at thirty seven percent.
Thirty seven percent of all passes go to him. So
the point you made about, hey, if this guy goes
down their hoes, they need some depth there. But I'm curious,
do you think this d is made if Cooper Cup
is healthy, playing every game and producing.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
No. No, I do not, And they've had Oh man,
I hadn't meant to get an update, but they've been.
They have been right around the lowest percent of the
use of eleven personnel. That's what all of the league.
It was sixty one percent as league wide last year,
it's fifty eight percent, so a slight dip this year.
(28:30):
But every team other than the Ravens have been that's
their number one personnel group by a mile. Nothing's close
again eleven personnel and which means you got three receivers.
So the Seahawks have not done that. I think that
if Cooper Cup no, you know, productive as you phrase
the question, Dave, as a relative term. One man's productive
(28:51):
is another man's ho hom par. But but I think
I know they understand of the intent of your question.
I think if if Cup were healthy and you were
getting more out of him, no, I don't think that
you part with a fourth and fifth rounder. That was
the thing that got me this morning. I'm sitting here
in the middle of As soon as I hear about
the tape, i jump on the computer and I'm looking
at the coaches tape and and and on my left screen,
(29:12):
I've got the the All twenty two sideline. On the right,
it's got the end zone. I'm I'm dissecting this. I'm
formulating my opinions. And then I hear as i'm watching,
I hear fourth and fifth rounder, and I just I
kind of had a you know, I was by myself,
but I had a little grown you know, my eyeballs
grown fourth and fifth like ow that hurts him. So
so I'm gonna I'm gonna look. I think he's gonna
(29:34):
make an impact. I think between now and Christmas and
hopefully now in Groundhog's Day and beyond, we say I
was worth it, but I'm worried that on April, you know,
the third week in April, we're going to do the draft.
And I said, damn, I wish we had that fourth
and fifth And he said, well, what kind of production
we get?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
You know?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
So therein lies my concern. Gotcha all right? Man, Well
you said you've watched every wrap five times? Pick up
the pace man, all right, don't slack. I want I
want seven or eight times. By the time we talk
on my drive home tonight, you guys never even asked me.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
About his wide receiver attributes.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I'm sitting there looking you know what, because uh, well,
you know.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
I talked to Verbose.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I got it. Do you want me to tell you why? Really?
I'm going to tell you what.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
We got more questions here when you come on, when
you come on Friday, we'll hit it again, right so hard,
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
All right, well, two of those three things are true
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He's in Australia, so he will not be joining us today.
Hopefully we can get him on Saturday's pregame show while
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(00:56):
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Friday night at five o'clock Central time. So Greg, bring
your wallet because you're buying. How are you man? What's
going on.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Well, I'm doing all right. I'm gonna leave my wallet
at home. My purpose Rich Moore hopefully's covering everything. And
I guess the real real question is this, how early
do we have to be there before our flight in
order to make it on time? With all the shutdown stuff?
We got three hours, four hours before five, hardly we
got to get their home.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
So the word is there's one air traffic controller on
the job right now and one tsach and he may
be taking a lunch while we take off. So we're
leaving Thursday around one thirty. I'll see you there tonight.
By the way, how about that we'll meet either tonight,
have a little nice to do whatever, Well, I will
bill rich Moore for it. Well, Mario's out Dix here
(01:48):
as well, so we'll talk some dogs and Greg. I
gotta tell you, man, I was out there today talking
to Carver Willison, John Mills, and even more impressed with
John Mills after I spoke to him.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I don't know if you guys know this or not.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I didn't know that he literally just turned eighteen, like
a week and a half ago.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So that means in the.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Opener, in the Big ten opener, He's seventeen years old,
starting at left guard and looking good like playing well.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I mean, this is not some schlump out there.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So Greg, how impressed and almost floored have you been
by what this now eighteen year old kid has been doing.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, I mean we've had conversations so far this year
talking about that this guy is a future All American.
He's a future NFL player, And there's nothing about him
that I've seen on the field that would tell me
any different. You know, a little bit of a bump
in the road with the injury, but you know, thinking
about him coming back last week playing well, and now
(02:47):
they had a week or two weeks ago, now they've
had this week off and going down to Wisconsin. I
just think that boat's so much better for the Huskies
in what they're going to need to do in order
to get the win down there. Him and Carver on
that left side being strong again. But yeah, John's amazing
and I don't expect him to be here more than
three years and then soon thereafter be playing on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
The run game with those guys in is just simply different.
I mean, Jonah Coleman's yards per carries three point one
in the three games that Willis and Mills were out together.
So is it just as easy as snap of a finger,
Willis's back, mills Is back, They're going to be able
to run the football the rest of the season, or
is there still some concerns in your mind with the
run game.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Well, I don't know if I've ever had what I
would call concerns about the run game per se. I think,
you know, all of those things matter, the offensive line
being healthy. I think we have a really really good
running back and good depth. I think our run game
is always going to depend on the coach's willingness to
(03:53):
continue to pound the ball get into the second half
where we've worn some defenses down. I think, you know,
we tend to use our running backs in the past
game a little bit. We like to, you know, toss
it around. And I think just from a style perspective,
the run game hasn't had a fair chance to average
four and five carries because most teams, if you look
(04:16):
at data, I'm sure, do better in the second half
after they've run the ball fifteen to twenty times in
the first half, and you get in those last ten
to twelve carries the second half. So I think the
run game is okay. I just think Husky's, if they
really wanted to get the bigger numbers, need to commit
to running more well.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And that I mean, Greg, you're saying the run games okay.
I mean that's that's a major disappointment, right. I mean,
if you were to told me in August that you
would say on November fourth, the run game is okay.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I'm like, that's not good enough.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Not with Joan Coleman coming back, and guys, he's if
you just look at Big Ten games, he's fifteenth in
the conference in rushing, fifteenth in five games.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
He hasn't even.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Cracked three hundred yards, got four touchdowns, but he's nowhere
near a Big Ten first or second team running back
right now. This is not even close. So but those
guys were out for three of those five games. Well yeah,
so what I mean voters don't care about that though.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, but it all works together. If those guys are out,
then you're less likely to pound the run game, so
you're less likely to get Jonah those carries, especially you know,
early in the game first half and wearing that defensive
side down a little bit to get the second half,
and he gives some bigger chunk of yards.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I mean, if you look, you cannot tell me that
Jonah Coleman is not a talented, really good running back
and that the run game after three yards it's about him.
It's not about him. It's about the reluctance of pounding
the football that they just don't do that well.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And see, I would agree with that.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I don't think it's about those guys being out dick,
because I thought that Jonah Coleman was the kind of
guy that would give us a tremendous running game no
matter who was on the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And it's not like they brought in chopped liver.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
They brought in a guy that started last year, and
they brought in a four star second year player in
Pockey Fee Now. And I actually I think McCree and
Fenale played okay when they were in there for Carver
Willis and John Mills. But Greg, you're exactly right, because
you go back and look at Ohio State thirteen carries,
Maryland eighteen, Rutgers fourteen, Michigan sixteen, Illinois fourteen. The volume
of carries from game to game has been pretty similar
(06:16):
for Jonah Coleman. He has not popped the twenty carry
mark since the opener in the first game of the year,
and he's only done it once.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
In his last ten Big Ten games. That's crazy, man.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yeah, it's just the style thing. And you know, whether
those guys being out dictated that or not, I don't know.
You know, those backup guys they did, they played pretty good.
You know, I wouldn't you know, say they're the same, No,
as not Carver Willis and John Mills, though there might
be some reluctives on the coach of staff site, but
I just don't think that right now. They they believe
(06:52):
their best option is to drop back and hand the
ball off to him twenty five times. And you know,
whether that's two or not doesn't matter of the coaches
they're calling the plays and us they like to do.
And of course we do have a weapon at the
quarter of acquisition and some wide receivers that are playing well,
and so you know, it makes it a little tougher
to keep turning around handing the ball off well.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Just to provide some contacts. He only did it twice
last year, so it's not like he did it all
the time last year and is not not doing it
this year. But Greg, what have we learned about this team?
I'm having a hard time with any huge takeaways because
they've lost to the two really good teams we've played,
and they've beaten all the mediocre to good teams all
of all the one pretty handily.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So you know, what are what is this team right now?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah? I think you're seeing a team that's signing that
out themselves through the course of the year. You got
a lot of different guys playing this year than played
last year. You have a new coordinator on the defensive
side of the football, and so these guys are figuring
that out and determining who they are. And when you
have a talented team, talented players weapons like they do,
you grow together as the season goes along. So I
(07:58):
think early in the year, you know, having to jump
up and play in Ohio State that's a tall task,
and learning how to win on the road. Last year's
zero row wins. This year we've gotten some row wins.
But going into Michigan at nine am, you know, was
a tough task. And so I think this is a
good football team that's getting better every week. You have
a quarterback that is still in his first twelve thirteen
(08:20):
starts as a college football player who's super talented, who's
getting better every week but each week, but we've seen
him have a stinker two here there, and that's when
they typically don't win. So I think what we have
is a really good football team that's still growing together
but getting better every single week. And I think they
have an opportunity here with this stretch of games being favorites.
(08:42):
You know, Wisconsin's zero to five in the Big ten
and two and six overall, this is a game you
should win and you should continue to grow together as
a team. So I think by the time the season
is over, we might have a nine to ten win
football team because they are literally getting better every week
sensibly and defensively.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, there's no excuse to lose any of these next three.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I mean, Ucla, Perdue, Wisconsin are all games that Washington
is going to be heavily favored. And I think they're
ten and a half point favorites this week it Wisconsin,
at least that's the last number that I saw, So,
I mean, here's the thing about Wisconsin though, Man.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
They're scrappy.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I mean they held Oregon to seven points in their
first half of their game down in Eugene last weekend
or two weeks ago and held the Ducks to twenty one.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
So I don't know. I mean, when the when.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
The fire gets hot and they start talking about firing people,
things can go one of two ways. And you saw
the way it went in Penn State and maybe it's
starting to turn around there in Wisconsin. So making the
road trip multiple time zones. But why is it always
that the defense can dictate the tempo of a game?
Why can't the Huskies show up and they dictate the
tempo of this game?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Well, I think that's what needs to happen this week offensively,
and you know, let's not you know, make this dramatic.
You scored seventeen points. He used to win this football game, Wisconsin,
let's score one touchdown their last three games. Of course,
that's Iowa, Michigan, Ohio State some tough defenses, but they
haven't scored more than fourteen all year. Their best offensive
output is fourteen couple tens and that's it. So you
(10:09):
score seventeen points, you should beat these guys. Having said that,
if you can go out and play offense on the
road like you started at home, then you should be
able to put these guys away early. They do not
have a dynamic offense. They do not score a lot
of points, and so offensively, you come out in the
first half, you score seventeen to twenty points. This football
(10:29):
game should be over. And our defense as well as
they played recently, I don't expect that Wisconsin's all of
a sudden going to put up a lot of points.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Greg, Are the two corners playing as well as you
anticipated they were they would play? I mean know Tacario
has been out a lot, but I mean we anticipated
like a first team All Big Ten and a second
team All Big Ten corner from those two guys.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Are you seeing that?
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I mean, I think the statistics show that they're playing
pretty darn good. And when you look with the eye tests,
when have you seen us getting beat over the top
consistently by anybody? You haven't? You know, those guys are
men out on the corners, and I'll tell you some
of the young guys who've had to fill into playing well.
I really liked how rays and Clark looked. You know,
he got the interception, but I think overall he played
(11:14):
extremely well out wide and in the slot. The last
couple of games so I think our corners are big,
they're physical, they take away some things at the line
of scrimmage. And keep in mind, you guys, they're doing
this with zero pass rush. I mean, our pass rush
has been disappointing to say the least, and these guys
are still keeping everything in front of them. They're getting
(11:34):
more takeaways. I think we've had more interceptions already this
year than we had all of last season. So I
think when you look at the data, it says that
these guys are playing extremely well.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, the pass rush. Look, I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I'd worry about it if they were playing anybody for
the next three games, but they're really not.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I mean, maybe UCLA, you know, is going down.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
They are weird whatever, blah blah blah, but they've always
got good talent and just have not been able to harness.
But you're kind of in a position now where it's
hard to not talk about going nine to two and
play in Oregon for a shot at maybe the playoffs.
I know the coaches aren't talking about that, the players
aren't thinking about that or talking about that, but we
can talk about it.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
So how curious are you? How interested are you? Greg?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
To see where the Huskies are ranked at five o'clock
tonight in the initial CFP rankings, because two or three
weeks ago we weren't even talking about this, and now
we are talking about finding out where they're ranked.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah. Well, I know I made a big stink last
week about an image problem. Why are we not ranked?
And lo and behold we get ranked that week we
don't play and win a game, right, you know, a
conversation ended of itself. We get ranked, then I'd be
interested only to see that we're in it, that we're
in the top twenty five somewhere. As long as we're
in the top twenty five, I think wins will take
(12:49):
care of itself. And let's think that the system is
way more friendly now because you got what twelve teams
who make the playoffs, So you don't have to be
in that top fifteen to ten this time of year
because you don't have to get all the way to
number four in order to make the playoffs. All you
got to get is in that top twelve to thirteen
spots and be in the right conference. So I think
(13:10):
for me, it's just a matter of being in the
top twenty five somewhere if we're there, then we got
to continue to win games. We can't lose the Wisconsin,
we can't lose the ULA or Purdue. We have to
win those games and then line it up against Oregon
at Husky Stadium with seventy six thousand people in there
going crazy and coming out with a win. And you know,
(13:32):
I think that's possible.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
But you do think they're going to be ranked at five, right?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I would assume they will be, but again, you know,
crazier things have happened. But my point is, as long
as we're in the top twenty five, we're fine, right.
As long as we're in the top twenty five.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, and you win these next three games, and maybe
you find yourself from the top fifteen in three weeks
from now and just move up by default. But regulis
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and I don't know if you guys ever really dived
into Wisconsin yet, But like you said, Greg, they're terrible.
I mean, they got two quarterbacks that have combined to
throw seven touchdowns and ten interceptions with seventeen sacks at Wisconsin,
Danny O'Neill and Hunter Simmons. They don't have a quarterback
(14:29):
that's thrown for over seven hundred yards on the year
so far. Their top running back is a kid named
Dylan Jones who's got three hundred yards total on the season.
So what are we worried about? And e's Aslee Jones.
What are we worried about? Are we worried about the
defense kind of just losing their mind and giving up
a big play to a nobody from nowhere? We worried
(14:50):
about Demon Williams having a bad game like he had
in the second half against Michigan.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
What are we worried about this week? If anything?
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Well, yeah, I'll say, you know, the last stat you
read about them with their running back having three hundred
yards is a tailtale sign. Wisconsin is known. We're having
great running backs, great strong running games, you know, keeping
the ball moving, you know, scoring methodically. And if they
can't do that, I don't know what the hell they
can do, so I don't see anything that I would
(15:18):
be afraid of. You know, we got I know, you
guys got on me about talking about game times and
all that. That's not an issue. It's one thirty our time,
regardless of how many time zones. So to me, there's
absolutely nothing. The only thing that could derail this team
again is we've seen this, you know, once or twice
against some really good teams. I think where DeMont Williams
(15:38):
just has not had a good football game on the road.
But I think those defenses have been completely better than Wisconsin's.
Although they played pretty good against Organ, I would argue
that Organ's not the offensive juggernaut that they've been over
the last few seasons either. And you know who knows
that they were overlooking Wisconsin, especially being in Otson and
(16:00):
not caring about that game. I think the only way
we don't win this game is if the mom Williams
just has a stinker, and at this point in time,
during this time of the year, let's hope that doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Well, they're healthiest running back. I don't know if this said,
do pre Kid's gonna play. I think he missed the
organ game. But they got a kid named Gideon Atuca
who's run for one hundred and fifty yards. He is
their healthiest leading rusher right now, not the football team,
so there's no excuse to not just win, but also
dominate these guys on defense, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Shut them down. And we talked about the cornerbacks. Let's
talk about the rest of the defense. Who stands out
to you?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Who are they?
Speaker 5 (16:37):
It almost seems a little bit like a no name
defense that's all playing pretty well.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
But are there some blue chip guys?
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Are there some guys that you see in a year
or two they are going to be top three round
draft picks in the NFL on this defense.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I wouldn't go so far as to say top three
rounds in NFL because you know that sometimes that looks
real different on the field. It jumps out at you,
you know, real tight. But some of these young guys,
I'll say this our linebacker corps, especially for the number
of injuries we have there. I like Extray Alexander, I
like Zadarius Rainy sail when Jacob my New plays like him.
(17:12):
Those guys have been super solid. Devin Brian, let me
not let's not forget about Brian. He's played extremely well,
not just against the run, but they do well in coverage.
Those guys are playing extremely good football. And some of
the young players in the secondary, obviously, you know, old Faithful,
I guess is what Mario calls Number seventeen has had
(17:32):
played really good at the safety spot. I believe he's
just a soft He's just a sophomore.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Right, Alex, Yeah, he's he's a younger guy. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
So I mean he has a chance, you know, if
he continues to improve. Again, I like the young guys
that play in the secondary. I've seen like Clark play
extremely well, made a great interception. You know, that guy's
got two or three years of college football lefts so
he could be somebody that could really jump out. But
I just really liked the way our linebacker corps has played.
(18:03):
You know, I think upfront was still serviceable. But I
don't see anybody that really jumps out at me from
that perspective.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
All right, man, we'll see you tonight for our flight
on Thursday. See you in a couple hours. All right,
thanks man, alright, all.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Right, man.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
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Hugh Millen. A big acquisition for the Seahawks today, picking
up a wide receiver from the Saints. We'll explain and
break it down next on ninety three three KJRFM. All right,
boys and girls, we're back on a very busy Tuesday
afternoon right here on ninety three three kJ r F M.
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Seahawks making a big trade today, sending a fourth and
fifth round draft pick to the New Orleans Saints for
wide receiver Rashid Shaheed. And there's only one man who's
been watching film of every single play of this guy's
season so far. Heck, he may have seen every play
of his career for good.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I believe it.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Nobody grinds more than our friend Hugh Millen. Joining us
right now on the radio station here.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
We how are you?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Man?
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Yeah, I'm doing all right. Yeah. That doesn't mean that
is not necessarily good. That just just means, I don't know,
it makes you have no life, is what it means.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It's okay, you know, I didn't want to say it.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
How many how many reps you over? Under two hundred
Rashid Shaheed reps have you watched since he was traded?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Uh? Well, I saw the sixty six of with him
as a receiver. As I've said, you don't just evaluate
a receiver on balls or thrown to him, because if
the coverage rolled away from him and he's got single
coverage and he can't win, and the quarterback barely even
looks at him, then you know that's that speaks a lot.
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So so I don't think that's the only way to
do it. But you know, I looked at I went
back and looked at some of his Russia attempts from
last year. I don't know, you watch one play at
least five times, so in that calculus, I would sneak
on the over very well. But the you know, I
think a point to make is that he in his
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second year was not just Pro Bowl, but first team
All Pro punt returner. One of the things that I
haven't mentioned. I didn't mention it earlier. I haven't heard
it mentioned. It's possible. Don't sleep on this as one
of the reasons you may we might be thinking, oh man,
this is like a slam on Tory Horton. It actually
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may be the reverse that you say, Tory Horton's too
valuable to have as the punt return right and put
this guy back. You know, look, I'm not forecasting not
I'm not projecting that. I'm just saying as I kind
of look at everything and evaluate everything, that's a possibility
that emerges in my mind.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well, let me ask you this because I heard you
with MJ earlier today and to just kind of recap
the emotions. I thought that you felt like, Hey, I
like the player, but fourth and fifth maybe a little
bit too rich for my blood. Now that you've watched
more film, you've watched more tape, you've thought about it
for the last five six hours, do you still feel
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that way or does this feel like a deal that
you can sign off on and feel good about. Well,
I think that if for me personally, if I said Okay,
yeah it's good, then it's barely good.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
If it's not good, then it's barely not good. In
terms of the value, we just don't know. I feel
like every time I I the more I watch him,
I just say, the word par just keeps coming up
to mind, like you're getting a you know, a number
two receiver that's kind of middle of the road, not
like not like a number two that's scratching at being
(22:07):
a number one. You know, could you argue he's more
of a fringe number two than than than than the former. Perhaps,
I think when I go through his skill set and
his traits, everything just kind of screams par at me.
So there's nothing that he does that is really elite.
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But I don't think he has any glaring weaknesses, perhaps
other than his size at five ten and five eighths
at the combine he's one eighty five. I'm certain he
weighs about ten pounds heavier than that. So he looks good,
you know. To that point, they had a rep where
they lined him up at tail The Saints lined him
up at tailback this year, and they on second three
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against Cowboys, they just topped tossed him the ball like
he was canine and you know, he had a pretty
good run, got the first down four yards on second three.
So so you don't do that unless you feel like
there's a durability factor and then there's a running factory.
Now he's had eight runs in two years, six from
a year ago, uh for four and a quarter you know,
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yards per rush nothing, you know, when I watch, I say,
is there a burst there? That's that's elite? No, I
don't see an elite burst. But do I am I
disappointed in his speed?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:23):
I think he's fast. Look, if you're five ten and
five eights and you know one one ninety five, you
better be fast. So when I when I when when I?
When you see a bubble, a rocket sweep or a
jet sweep whatever, call the what you want or bubble
screen as they've they've done, you would expect him to
show some twitch, and he does. He shows again par
par for what you'd expect at that size and and
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given you know his stats he's got in his entire career,
he's got two yard two games over one hundred yards receiving,
you know, So I just I don't know that we
can expect anything, you know, to carry on the analogy.
I don't think we can expect a lot of birdies
and eagles from this guy, but I think he can
just be, you know, give you a par performance on
a Sunday inn and Sunday out basis. And and and
(24:07):
a final thought, I'm sure this has occurred to you
and everybody. How many times have you thought in the
last few days and weeks, how screw of the Seattle Seahawks,
if JSN gets hurt like that could just grind the
whole thing down, like literally just like pull the emergency
brake on the entire offense, so that there could be
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a component of this, like hey, we got to just
cover our ass, you know. So there's a there's a
lot of elements that that I think that this in
boxes that this checks.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
You talked about him visa v. Horton in the punt
return game. How about in the wide receiver game. Is
there a redundancy in his skill set that there is
with Horton or are they different guys?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
I think they're a lot different.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Dick.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Now, now I would have projected him just looking at it,
you know. To me, I look at his athletic traits,
and then I look at his specific wide receiver traits.
And I know you'll ask me about that, but but
his athletic traits would to me correlate to a slot
receiver at his size and his quickness, right, and and
yet for this year he's got forty two percent of
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his his UH snaps are in the slot. A year ago,
in twenty twenty four, when Clint Kubiak was his offensive coordinator,
it was just twenty five percent in the slot. So
that ought to tell you something. And then and then
his receptions forty one percent from the slot this year,
forty percent from the slot last year. He only had
twenty catches last year. But uh so, so I think
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Tory Horton is a long, striding, six foot two, gliding,
you know, outside threat, uh you know, with really good
ball skills and and and that size, you know, the
ability to go up and over and and what have you.
When I watch when I watch uh Shaheed here, you know,
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obviously he's a lot shorter, and you know he can
kind of get eaten up some times on those press
fades when when you press him in a lot of routes.
Keep this in mind, when you're the outside receiver and
you get pressed a lot of routes, the hitch route,
a quick out route, a twelve yard six step speed out,
a skinny post. There's a lot of routes in the
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playbook that convert to a fade. So if you want
to reduce the rout tree from a guy who lines
up outside, and we just gave you the numbers the
degree to which he's outside, then now all of a
sudden you say, okay, well that converts to a faide. Well,
if you don't have at that size, if you don't
have the elite acceleration in that you know, the first
(26:41):
couple to eight yards so that you can get because
your size on't Like, just go watch the forty nine
er tape and the you know, I mean there's a
number of times where where if he doesn't get the separation.
Now as a quarterback, you're trying to drop it down
the shoot on a guy under five eleven and and
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and those corners they just you know, they're used to
having the battle taller guys out there, and they can
kind of swallow you up. So I think there's a
there's an element of him where I'd say, is there
anything that's subpart Let me go back to the analogy. Yeah,
I think there's a bogie in there when when you
talk about if he doesn't win at the line of
scrimmage down the field against a bigger corners, that's not
(27:24):
a matchup you like.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Well, here, we talked a week ago about the percentage
of passes that are going to Jackson Smith and Jigbath
and were compared it to everybody else in the NFL. Right,
Jamar Chase thirty five, Olave was at twenty nine, Christian
McCaffrey twenty four point seven, Kamara twenty three, Lad McConkie,
Pukainaku at twenty three, twenty six. Well after Sunday night,
(27:47):
Jackson Smith and Jigba is now at thirty seven percent.
Thirty seven percent of all passes go to him. So
the point you made about, hey, if this guy goes
down their hoes, they need some depth there. But I'm curious,
do you think this d is made if Cooper Cup
is healthy, playing every game and producing.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
No. No, I do not, And they've had Oh man,
I hadn't meant to get an update, but they've been.
They have been right around the lowest percent of the
use of eleven personnel. That's what all of the league.
It was sixty one percent as league wide last year,
it's fifty eight percent, so a slight dip this year.
(28:30):
But every team other than the Ravens have been that's
their number one personnel group by a mile. Nothing's close
again eleven personnel and which means you got three receivers.
So the Seahawks have not done that. I think that
if Cooper Cup no, you know, productive as you phrase
the question, Dave, as a relative term. One man's productive
(28:51):
is another man's ho hom par. But but I think
I know they understand of the intent of your question.
I think if if Cup were healthy and you were
getting more out of him, no, I don't think that
you part with a fourth and fifth rounder. That was
the thing that got me this morning. I'm sitting here
in the middle of As soon as I hear about
the tape, i jump on the computer and I'm looking
at the coaches tape and and and on my left screen,
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I've got the the All twenty two sideline. On the right,
it's got the end zone. I'm I'm dissecting this. I'm
formulating my opinions. And then I hear as i'm watching,
I hear fourth and fifth rounder, and I just I
kind of had a you know, I was by myself,
but I had a little grown you know, my eyeballs
grown fourth and fifth like ow that hurts him. So
so I'm gonna I'm gonna look. I think he's gonna
(29:34):
make an impact. I think between now and Christmas and
hopefully now in Groundhog's Day and beyond, we say I
was worth it, but I'm worried that on April, you know,
the third week in April, we're going to do the draft.
And I said, damn, I wish we had that fourth
and fifth And he said, well, what kind of production
we get?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
You know?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
So therein lies my concern. Gotcha all right? Man, Well
you said you've watched every wrap five times? Pick up
the pace man, all right, don't slack. I want I
want seven or eight times. By the time we talk
on my drive home tonight, you guys never even asked me.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
About his wide receiver attributes.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I'm sitting there looking you know what, because uh, well,
you know.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
I talked to Verbose.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I got it. Do you want me to tell you why? Really?
I'm going to tell you what.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
We got more questions here when you come on, when
you come on Friday, we'll hit it again, right so hard,
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