December 29, 2025 • 39 mins
In the first hour, Dick Fain and Hugh Millen react to the Seahawks entering Week 18 at 13-3 and the big statistics this season defensively and offensively, leading to a debate surrounding Sam Darnold’s impact on the season overall, then we have Fun w/ Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, I'm in a good mood. I'm in a good
mood for many reasons. I'm in a good mood that
I'm back in this chair. I'm a good mood that
my friend Jackson Feltz is in that room right there.
I'm in a good mood because Hugh Breed love millin working.
I think like our number thirty of the day on
the radio station is with us.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hi, Hugh, you are you? Did you get a nap
at some.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Time at some point? Yeah, And I'm gonna just apologize
to our P one listeners. Those in the uh in
the industry, they call those what do they call those?
Jackson the one a day?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Right?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah? Yeah, that have to hear me for the third time.
But I was asked, I was asked to fill in
with Softy, and it's great to be with Dick and Jackson.
So let's uh, let's rev it up, man, Let's hit
this thing hard.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
And finally, I'm in a good reason because we have, gentlemen,
a thirteen and three football team for just the third
time ever, we have a team that has a one
and eighty one point differential that is second Old only
by five points to twenty thirteen. So with a decent
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size win next week. They can eclipse that. They have
seven road wins, tied for the most ever. They have
four hundred and seventy points scored gentlemen, which is the
most ever. And yet we think this offense for the
most part, stinks. So it's I mean, there's an interesting
dichotomy going on right now with this football team. But
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I'm just in a word, guys, I'm appreciative of what
we have here in Seattle. I'm appreciative of what John
Schneider has done to change over this football team. I
am appreciative of what Mike McDonald has come in in
the first two years. I'm appreciative of what Sam donald
has done in the sixteen games this season. I may
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be in the minority, but I am going to bask
in thirteen and three right now because Hugh thirteen and three,
as we know, does not come around very often. In fact,
it's only come around three times in fifty years.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah. No, I couldn't agree more. And you're the second
youngest team in the NFL, and you've got a quarterback
who's twenty eight years old, and and you know you
went on the road. Did Carolina look like a real
formidable team. No, not at all, but Seattle helped that
perception and recalled it. Just a couple of weeks ago,
the Rams went out there and Carolina put up thirty
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one points in a thirty one to twenty eight win.
And Carolina went to green Bay when green Bay was
flying as high as they could, when Michael Parsons was
still healthy, and they beat green Bay at green Bay.
So this is a team in Carolina that was you know,
entered the game and actually, as we know, still in
the position to win that division. You know, I don't
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think they're going to strike fearing many teams that have
to play them, but they weren't the dregs of the NFL,
and they went out and absolutely dominated over the course
of sixty mon in dominate for thirty minutes, but sixty minutes,
seventeen point win against a team fighting to win the
division on the road.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Pretty good and one of the best defensive performances as
far as yards are allowed in fifty years of Seahawks football,
I mean, eighth fewest yards allowed in franchise history, fewest
since twenty fifteen. We've had a lot of good defenses,
maybe not a lot of great defenses since twenty fifteen.
But we've had a lot of good defenses since twenty fifteen,
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and this was the fewest yards allowed in a decade.
And I think it seems like every the further we
go along this season, the further it kind of feels
to me like this is kind of twenty thirteen all
over again. And what I mean by that is that
in twenty thirteen, I mean when we were sitting here
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and I'm sure we did a show right after the
Monday night football game in Saint Louis, when the Seahawks,
you know, needed a late Golden Tate touchdown to score
fourteen points in a fourteen to nine game, when we
needed over time. The week after that, on November the
third of twenty thirteen to beat Tampa Bay, a terrible, awful,
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horrible might even have been winless Tampa Bay team at
that point, where we got down like seventeen to nothing
at the beginning of the game, When we had this
terrible game against San Francisco down there where we only
scored seventeen points, when we lost the last game of
the regular season to the Arizona Cardinals seventeen to ten,
it feels it feels.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
A little bit like deja vu.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Here man A Jogi would say, deja vu all over
again here where this offense was criticized soundly all October
November December of twenty thirteen long, and yet they got
it all together. They scored enough against New Orleans to
win twenty three to fifteen, They scored enough against San
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Francisco to win at twenty three seventeen, and they scored
more than enough in the Super Bowl to win at
forty three to eight.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
How many can can you? Can you sense any.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Similarities between kind of the angst that that team had
to go through and the arrows that Seahawks fans were
firing at Russell Wilson in that offense twelve years ago
and kind of compare it to today.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, I think that's a lot of good apt comparisons
and and and it's good to be reminded of all that.
And obviously that was the legion of Boom. We didn't
know it, but we were at the beginning the second
year of four where the Seahawks were number one in
the NFL fewest points allowed. I mean, that is quite
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a stamp at the lob made and it's the only
team in the Super Bowl era that has ever done that,
and so you know, and had they you know, they
just narrowly, had you know, missed a shutout, it would
have been could you imagine if that was the only
shutout in the history of the Super Bowl and that
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was against a a st record setting offense. You know
that if you go to the two thousand Super Bowl
where the Ravens beat the Giants, you know, the Giants,
you know, they were kind of feeble on offense, and
the same thing for Tampa Bay in two thousand and two.
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I wouldn't say the Raiders were feeble offensively, but they
were nothing like what the Broncos were in twenty thirteen.
That was a record setting in so many statistics, number
one in the history of the NFL. And that's what
Seattle's defense did. Anyways, we're kind of getting into the
grain with the twenty thirteen team just the comparisons. Yes,
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you're right, and certainly this is a defense dominated team.
They got a long way to go to be compared
or to be you know, thought to be the parallel
of the LOB. But what they're doing is they're right
on track. They are right on track with a young
defense and Mike McDonald, and you know how how I
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feel about him. So it's fun times.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It is, and it's you know, it would be unfair
to compare this defense to the complete picture of what
the lob accomplished.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
It would be.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
More fair to compare this defense in year two under
mcmike McDonald to where the LOB was in this time
in twenty thirteen, because at this time, at twenty thirteen,
there was no Super Bowl championship, there was no back
to back Super Bowl appearance, there was no number one
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in the NFL scoring defense year after year after year
after year. They'd only done it one time in twenty twelve,
and we're on their way to doing it again in
twenty thirteen. But the one where the comparison ends, I
think you is the turnovers. And and let's kind of
let's kind of dive in to the turnovers and the
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root cause of the turnovers, because I mean one, you
know one cause maybe maybe you're telling me, hey, Arrel's
much more close to the vest Kobiak and Mike McDonald
let Sam Donald rip a little bit more than in
Russell will was, and that's why there's so many fewer turnovers.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
That year than this year, or you.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Might tell me that day Russell Wilson was just heck
of a lot better protecting the ball than Sam Donald
was as a quarterback. Would how would you delve into
that conversation there, Well.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
First of all, I would say, if you're saying you're
comparing twenty thirteen to this year because it's year two,
just remember and I know you know this, but as
a reminder, that was Pete Carroll's fourth year. First year
was twenty ten, and they had the combination of Gus
Bradley and Dan Quinn and so that there was stability
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in terms of how they they taught the cover three
and what have you, and Snyder they had to get
their pieces. So it wasn't until year excuse me, year
four of Carol that you win the Super Bowl. So
I think Mike McDonald, I mean, you could make argument
this is comparable to twenty eleven. Yeah, that's right, which
is which means that Mike McDonald is way ahead of
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the curve. Now you know that's not the only way
to analyze it, but it's a way to analyze it.
But you're you're talking about turnovers offensively or.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, offensively I'm talking about the fact that, you know,
Sam Donald is one of the higher turnover both fumbles
and interceptions in the NFL, and that was not part
of Russ's game. We just want to continue this, you know, comparison,
which I kind of started obviously with twenty thirteen because
I am you know, when I've launched this thought that
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I'm launching on the air here, when I've launched it
on Twitter, the main pushback I get is, yeah, but
that team took care of the ball and this one doesn't.
So let's kind of delve into that. I mean, we're
going to break down this game. We're going to talk
about all the plays that happened in this game, but
overall in general, how would you respond to those people
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that are pushing back and saying, yeah, but this quarterback
puts the ball on the ground and puts the ball
in the hands of the opposition far more than we've
seen in the past.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah, that's true, and it's something that you'd prefer to
not put the ball on the ground and not throw
interceptions as opposed to doing it. I would just say
it's kind of like the game of Djenga. You know,
be careful, you know, how you upset you want to
pull out the interceptions, just be prepared as to what
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the unwanted consequences could be, because I look at it
and I say, yeah, yeah, Like nobody excuses interceptions. But
you're getting in Sam Darnold, the quarterback with the number
one rating in passer rating on deep throws, number one
in the NFL. You're getting the quarterback number one in
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terms of where passing yards per dropback, number one in
the NFL, Number one in the percentage of plays that
are ten yards or more, number one in number two,
now number two and percentage of plays there are twenty yards.
I mean, there's all these statistics that point to the
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big plays. And I touched on it with Ian. If
you run correlation numbers on interceptions and correlate correlation is
you know I've said it before, is okay hot days
in the summer. Number of hot days is going to
correlate to ice cream sales positively, right, right, But number
of hot days is going to negatively correlate to hot
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chocolate sales. Correct. Okay, So we get all that, and
the closer you are to zero that is statistically insignificant.
No correlation the closest you are. It's like a batting average,
you know. You know, if you had a seven hundred
batting average or a five hundred batting average, that'd be
a great batting average, right, So it lives in that
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world with the negative. So this year, interceptions have a
zero eighty one correlation, right, less than one hundred. That's
very clear. Imagine a bat baseball hitter hitting eighty one
last year was you would expect it. By the way,
when I say negative, we would expect you say, wait
a minute for correlating it to wins. Wins go up
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as interceptions go down, so you would expect them to
have like I would. My hypothesis would be it would
be certainly a negative correlation, and it would be relatively
moderate to high in correlation, like negative five hundred, negative
six hundred compared to some others. For example, you know,
just to put it into context, passing yards per dropback
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has a positive five eighty four correlation, which is large,
and Sam Donald's number one, that's that's that's large five
eighty four. Think of a hitter going you know, bat
in five eighty four. So here's the correlations over the
last six years for interceptions, just gross and total numbers
of interceptions, as as it relates to winning percentage. This
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year it's point eighty one, so it's eighty one last year.
And that's, by the way, a positive not negative. Yes,
so it's actually not lasting.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You at all.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Last year was negative. You'd expect it, but it's only
twenty eight. The year before that was oh my god,
it's not only is it positive, it's two fifteen, So
the only time it's not even been close to zero,
it's actually as a positive. What that means is the
more interceptions you're throwing, the more you're winning, not to
a great extent, because two to fifteen isn't strong. The
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year before that twenty twenty two, negative eighty nine. Yes
it's negative, but it's only eighty nine. Remember now, the
the what did I say on the five eighty four
for passing yards per dropback?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
The year before that thirty one. The year before that
negative forty four. So in five of the last six
years the correlation has been under one hundred. In three
of the last six years it's been positive. Three of
the last six years been negative. If you do the aggregate,
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it's a positive twenty eight almost the statistic professors that
are driving around going positive twenty eight is next to nothing.
That's basically like are you putting on your left sock first?
Or you're right?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And the only logical hypothesis for this, because somebody's driving
around goal, howait a second, Hugh, how can you possibly
throw more interceptions and it helps you win?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Because throwing more interceptions would lead me to believe that
the quarterback is taking more shots down field. And as
you and as you mentioned, the the shots down field,
the chunk plays, the explosive plays are more favorable to
winning than the turnovers are favorable to losing.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's exactly right. And you know, and then a deep
pass deep attent passer rating, uh Sam Darl's number one
in the NFL, that is a five thirty one correlation
to winning. So everything that you point, Look, I don't
want to just say, well who cares about interceptions? Like
nobody thinks that way. What What what I'm saying is
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that they're these numbers are indisputable. And and you say, okay,
that's the numbers base argument. Now kind of do the
common sense, Well you just articulate it exactly right. It's
it's what you have is the winning quarterbacks or they
are pushing them. There's an aggressiveness to what they do
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and the difference. What the stats show is there's not
a hell of a lot of difference between throwing an
interception and then going you know, three and out and punting.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And I think we as Seahawks fans and me in general,
because I am I am a more conservative offense, especially
when I have a G eight defense. I mean, I
was screaming, you know, at the top of my lungs yesterday,
just just run the ball, just run the ball. Just
don't give it to them. Caroline is not gonna score.
And I've said that other than the Rams game, I've
said that for basically every other game the Seahawks have
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played over the last six weeks. I've been like, hey,
just win the game thirteen to seven. Man, They're not
gonna score more than seven points. And basically none of
these teams have scored more than almost more than ten points.
So we could have won that way. That hasn't been
what Kobeak and McDonald have chosen, and they've been right.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
They've won all the games.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
And they've ended up scoring Yeah, in the twenties every time,
just about it.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, well, and I want you to think about this.
Can we look up, Jackson, can you look up the
date that Seattle signed Sam Donald?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Well, you know, if Hugh, I will, I will do
that in the break because we've got to go to
the commercial.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We'll take a break, Jackson, do that in the break
and we'll come back. And I've got I've got a
Sam Donald related Twitter pool. I think you guys will
be very very interested in as well. Softian Deck without
the soft One. He's out today and tomorrow. Jackson is here.
Hugh is here on ninety three point three KJRFM from
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Speaker 2 (17:23):
Welcome back, Softian Dick without the soft One. Taking a
few days off here around.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
January first, will be off Wednesday Thursday, but Hugh.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Is with us. Jackson is with us.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Today, tomorrow and Friday. And he has been on many,
many times today, which has been fabulous. I've been tuning
in and out all morning long, all early afternoon long,
and a conversation that Hugh and Ian had in a
one o'clock hour led me to this Twitter poll. Pick
the one that is the most accurate. The the Hawks
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are winning because of Sam Donald the Hawks are winning
in spite of Sam Donald. Now, obviously the correct answer
is somewhere in between, but Hugh, we don't allow weasel
options on the Twitter poll.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
So if you're.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Fifty point one percent that Sam Donald is is causing
you to win more than he's hurting you, than you
would vote for the Hawks are winning because of Sam Donald.
In it is unbelievably tight right now, fifty one percent
to forty nine percent say the Seahawks are winning in
spite of Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Jackson, how would you vote on.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
That, Poles, Because it's I think, and I don't even
think it's that close. It's I mean, I would just
refer you to the drive in overtime against the Rams
a week and a half ago where he throws some
money balls, not only of course the winner to Sopper,
which was just a millimeter from going off a Ram helmet,
but also how about that passed a Cooper cup down
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the right sidelines.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, I mean that is a pro Bowl, you know.
Starter level pass. He threw some guards in the second half, Yester,
I was gonna say.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
And then you go to yesterday's game, that eight minute
drive in the fourth quarter that took eight off the
clock and ended in three points.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, Sam Darnald came up huge.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Come on, people like, let's give some credit.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Where it's due.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
This dude is bawling right now.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But Hugh, there is this, there is this general consensus
amongst a lot of people out there that you know,
we're just kind of winning in spite of Sam darnld
So how would you respond to those people?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Well, I think that winning is more than just making
the plays to win. It's avoiding the plays that lose
the games. And I think that there are are many
ways that he's avoiding. Like you say, well, he's got interceptions,
but there's other things that are happening in those games.
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You know, at Pittsburgh when things were really really tough,
on that third down, Patrick Queen comes unblocked, he spins around,
gets a twenty seven yard or at Arizona that was
a losable game as the defense kind of collapsed in
the fourth quarter. He hits the two fade routes up
the right side to line up the left with you know,
in the in the the tight situation that was I
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mean even even that, you know Atlanta was losable. The
plays against Jacksonville where that was a losable game, I mean,
there's far more losable games. I mean, you know you're
talking about in Darnold. He's tied for the NFL in
wins for this win percentage for this season, right you
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go over the so over one season, he's tied for
first over two seasons last year. In this he's first
over four seasons going back to twenty twenty two, he's first.
That's over forty starts. Forty starts. It's thirty nine and one.
That's that's better than Mahomes, better than thirty better than
Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He said, thirty nine and one. I don't think you mean.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I'm sorry thirty one to nine, thirty one and nine, yeah, yeah,
out ahead of myself. I'm thank you for I'm not yeah,
he's good, not that good. I'm silly, but I'm not
got cha. So thirty one and nine and and by
the ways of the guys in the top five, he's
the only one who has a hundred passer rating. The
others are below that, So I look and I and
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I would just follow it up with this, let's play
a little thought experiment. The Seahawks traded Gino Smith on
March seventh. They signed Sam Donald on March thirteenth, So
it's basically a week they had where where John Schneider
and Mike McDonald didn't know who the quarterback was going
to be. You know, you didn't know who was going
to throw money at Sam Donald, right, And so let's
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say there they're really zeroing in on Sam Donald and
then all of a sudden, a football genie pops out
from the closet or I guess they come out of bottles, right,
And it says, hey, before you sign that, I'm going
to show you a crystal ball of everything that Sam
Donald's gonna do this year before you sign that. Now,
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I'm not gonna show you others. It's kind of like,
let's make a deal. I'm gonna show you what's behind
door number one. You get to see every single thing.
And this is what they say. Okay Schneider and mcons says, yeah, yeah,
Gene showed me that crystal ball. Well this is what
he's gonna say. Well, you're going into the final game
of season. You're gonna be the number one seed and
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tied for the winning winning this record in the NFL,
You're gonna have tied a franchise record with a chance
to beat it. You're gonna set a franchise record for points.
You're gonna be number two in the league in scoring.
Your quarterback. Darnold is going to be number one in
the NFL in deep passer rating, number one in the
NFL in passing yards per dropback, number one in the
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NFL in percentage of plays there are ten or more yards.
He's gonna be number two in off target percentage, So
he's gonna be the second most on tiget. That's by
the NFL stats, Number two in success plays. That's the
uh that's forty the needed yards on first down, sixty
percent of the needed yards on second and and all
the needed yards on third and four. So there's going
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to be not just a big play component, but there's
gonna be an efficiency point again, number two in that
and he's gonna be number two in EPA per dropback
expected points. Added that said that new metrics I'm going
to tell you, and by the way, he's gonna have
the eighteenth highest contract at thirty three and a half million.
Not only would John Snyder and Mike McDonald sign sign up,
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it would be like you know, in the movie Pretty Woman,
you got Vivian played by Julia Roberts Edward played by
Richard Gearing. You remember they negotiate three thousand dollars for
Vivian to stay with Edward for a week. Vivian comes
up and says, with a little smug smiuse says, I
would have stayed for two thousand and he. Edward replies,
I would have paid four that right, like Mike mc
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donald John Schneider would have paid way more than thirty
three point five. And I'll close the thought experiment with this.
If you gave them all those facts and then and then,
and then they asked the genie, well, how many interceptions
he's gonna throw? Genesis, I'm not gonna tell you. You
know what they would have said, Well, if you give
me all those facts, here's a blank check. You write
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as many interceptions as you want on there. I don't
care if it's four or forty, right, as many as
you want because obviously, and oh, by the way, you know,
let him know that the Seahawks are either number one
and or number two in all the defensive stats. Right,
so it didn't it didn't cripple the football team. If
you gave them those stats. John Schneider would get writ
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a bank, give you a blank check on interceptions. You
think I'm being I'm playing around. I'm being dead serious
because you get prevent you from getting all that other stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's right, and you and you gave the and you
gave the win loss record. Is he out performing what
you thought he would do this year? Or or is
this about what.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
You thought Sam Donald would be as a Seahawk quarterback.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I didn't think they'd be sitting here at thirteen wins. No,
I just mean his performance. Yeah, yeah, I I he's
he's outperforming what I would have thought. Yes, I think
he is too. So I think he is too.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
No, I didn't necessarily see that this many turnovers.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
But I didn't. I absolutely didn't see see.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I thought it was gonna be a much more conservative
game plan this year. I thought it was just gonna
it was gonna be dnk and dunk, it was gonna
be boots, it was gonna be really pound the run
and then if Sam Donald can win you a game
down the stretch at some point, great, but if not,
we're not gonna have him lose the game for you.
It's been way more wide open than I ever thought
this offense would be this year.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. I mean there was,
you know, the thought they're gonna get into twenty one
personnel and maybe jack hammer a little bit more, some hardball,
but you know, and then play action. I don't even
go into the playoffs stuff where he's number one. So so,
but he was. He was a big play producer last
year with the Vikings. Everybody says, well, he's got Justin
Jefferson and acid, right, but he's taken that big play
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ability and he's taking it right over to here. So
so yeah, we talked about in the first segment. Nobody
wants these interceptions, but the mentality when you hear Mike
McDonald come on and say, hey, we're just say Sam, hey,
let it rip, you go do your thing. We're hearing
that because Mike McDonald understands the delicate Jenga tower. That
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is the way a quarterback has to perform and the
way he has to approach what he's doing. And now
the argument against that would be, well, that the big
plays were mostly front loaded. He hasn't played as well
in in the last seven games.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But his second halves have been good the last month.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
He's and this is another part of it that you'd
want to see in the crystal ball. Well, when he
plays poorly, how does he play in the crunch time well,
the second half against the ram excuse me, the fourth quarter, uh,
and overtime against the Rams when he had had a
passer rating of fifty one after that second interception and
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he closes out with the passer rating of like.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Four.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I believe that is, honest to god. I said it
that night, that next day. I still believe it ten
days later. That's one of the guttiest quarterback performance by
any seat quarterback I've ever seen, because it's so hard
to have when he's in the year one in his
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team and he's looking around at all these guys and
Ernest Jones went and said, f you if you want
to criticize my quarterback. But he's still in year one.
He's still trying to do it. The fans. You know,
he knows this. On national TV. Hell, he was asked
about it you know, all in the week leading up,
how about this idea, you can't win the big one?
You know, Well, he's too humbled to say, wait a minute,
(28:02):
when we beat the Packers last year on December twenty ninth,
and my teammates threw me up on their shoulders and
basically celebrated like we had just won the super Bowl,
Like that wasn't a big game, you know. You know,
so he doesn't get credit for the games that he's
won being big right, So anyways, the enormous weight after
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he threw that second interception, he could feel the stadium,
he could feel what the enormity of Oh Sam Donald
can't win the big one? For him to dig freaking deep,
dig that deep and find that performance in the fourth
quarter and overtime, I can't tell you how much respect
I have for that gut. And I just have to really,
(28:43):
I think I just want everybody to just pause for
a second and try and be Sam Donald in that moment,
try and be that guy with knowing how everybody is
looking at you. Oh my god, this guy is such
a choke artist, right, And he said nope, not tonight.
So it's fascinating when we'll.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Get back to him.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
We have got a lot of plays we want to
get to. We haven't ven dived really into the Carolina
game yet at all. We've been talking more big picture
here in the three o'clock hour. We've got Fun with
Audio coming up next. You'll hear from Mike McDonald in
the four o'clock hour play some of his press conference.
Brandon Brown's gonna join us at five point thirty. He
is the host of Believe in Michigan podcast. There has
(29:25):
been a monumental shift in the Big ten, Kyle Whittingham
taking over as the head coach of Michigan. We'll talk
to him at five thirty about that, ever fits you.
At six fifteen, leading into Crack and Hockey on ninety
three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's now time for Someday in Dick's Fun with Audio.
Jimmy g porn Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo. Now let's have
some fun with audio, all right.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Let's have some fun with audio show we Hugh Breedlove
Millan joins us and hey, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Dick Scott Van Pelt last night Sports Center in real
time learning that the ESPN family of Networks was getting
both Panthers Bucks and Seahawks forty nine ers this coming week.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Have our games for next week breaking news one second,
that's to massleback. Next week we've got hold on now Panthers,
Bucks four thirty, then Seahawks Niners.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Wow, we get both those games. Well, thank you very much, NFL.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
What do you know about that little New York doubleheader?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
We got pretty good, pretty good double dev he finds
out in real time. But it just got me thinking, though,
it's does it not just feel like a high school
basketball evening where you got the jv game at five
thirty in the varsity game at seven? I mean, my god, Bucks, Yeah, okay, Bucks,
Panthers winner of the division.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
It's also the winner gets housed by an NFC West
representative in the first round of the playoffs, right.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Well hopefully well, I mean well, let me let me
rephrase that. If it's the if it's the forty nine ers,
then I hope that they don't get out. Yeah, yeah, no,
I hope that there's an upset. But but no, I
thought that was great. Actually, I was watching that live
when it happened, and you know, Van Pelt's great I
don't know. I mean, that's firstly, I think I think
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he's really good at what he does. And I thought
that was a very you know, candidate answer. But you're right.
I mean, look at this Saturday night. They they make
way for this game. I imagine it's gonna be a huge audience. Now,
one could argue that the NFL put the Seattle San
Francisco game behind the Pittsburgh Baltimore game, right, Uh, that
(31:40):
is gonna be played Sunday night. I think that the
immediate thought is how it impacts, you know, a day
shorter for Seattle, having flown across the country and then
now they have to fly again. San Francisco, for their part,
they had to play on Monday night last week, so
they get the second straight week back to back of
(32:01):
a short week. Is a cumulative effect that impacts them adversely,
we hope so. But yeah, I knew it was gonna
be something like that. I just hadn't thought of the
Saturday night game.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Well, the Seahawks are the twentieth team Speaking of the schedule.
The Seahawks are the twentieth team in the last three
years to play back to back road games where the
second game is on a short week, and in the
first nineteen of those games, that team has gone six
and thirteen when they have had to play back to
back road games and the second game is on the
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short week. So history, at least recent history is against
the Seahawks going in this game. I saw where the
I've seen pick them. I've seen Hawks favored by as
much as one and a half. So it's probably gonna
bounce around like the line of the Rams Niners game
did Hey here there?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, I mean, part of that is just that as
a general rule, teams don't play as well on the
road Seattle.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
True, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
And so even if you I'd like to compare that
to back to back road games when you have seven
week seven days as opposed to sit right on the
second Is.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It the short week or is it the road?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Like, what's the correlation to losing the fact that you're
going back to back on the road or the fact
that the.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Short week is the is the second week?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
But Seattle, you know, their statistics are much better defensively
on the road, and I have to think a portion
of that. It The question intrigues the heck out of me.
How much of that is due to better communication.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
It has been mentioned, I don't remember. I think it
might have been Ernest Jones. I don't remember. Somebody was
asked over the last week or two from the Seahawks
and they said, yes, some of our breakdowns at home
defensively has been because we could not communicate with each
other and we got to get back of that.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Hey, Hugh, did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
What's that? Dick?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
On the Saint Brown Podcast, the Lion's wide receiver a
Monros Saint Brown only shared his feelings speaking of scheduling
about having to play games this year on both Thanksgiving
and Christmas.
Speaker 7 (34:06):
I don't think I've ever played on Christmas. Maybe I
have my rookie year against the Falcons. I might have
been Christmas Day. This is like Christmas Day during the week,
which is a little different. I've never played really Christmas
Day like this. So how many Thursday night games have
you guys had this year? This is a third?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Three?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Is crazy?
Speaker 7 (34:23):
Bro? How do I feel about playing on Christmas Day
and we had Thanksgiving? I really I'm not a fan.
We got they the two biggest holidays. I feel like
in the United States we played on both of them,
and I don't have kids yet, Like, if I had kids,
I'd be even more pissed, Like you can't really spend
it with your family. Get this year, you know, your
kids open gifts. I feel like that's something that a
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lot of parents, you know, love to see and can't
wait for.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
So I don't even like it.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
I'm not even to father yet, so I can't imagine
what you know, dads and our teams are feeling, like.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Well, Hugh, you've I'm sure you missed a lot of Christmases. Yeah,
but I mean it doesn't really matter if you're playing
on Christmas or if you're on the road during Christmas.
I mean, if a Monroe had a game on the
twenty sixth on the road, he'd still miss Christmas.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
He just happened to be playing on Christmas.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I think his point is that that, hey, wait a minute,
you already have us miss Thanksgiving right every year, you know,
to make us play on Christmas Day.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
You know.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I think he's got a fair point. But I also
I also say, well, that's the cost of doing business
to being a professional athlete. You paid a lot, and
you know you have to just accept the decisions of
the league. What's best for the league, and they thought
there was a you know, Christmas Day. It wasn't. But
a few years ago the NFL thought that that was
sacrileged to playing Christmas plan Christmas. But then they looked
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at the NBA and they just kind of said, wait
a minute, Yeah, you know, that looks like there's some
eyeballs worth grabbing. And in year one, look it up,
they ten xt the NBA. The NBA was averaging about
two and a half million. They went over twenty five
millionaire year one, and and you know, Lebron James is
all ticked off, and and you know what, they just
(36:06):
acted like a capitalist predator they did.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Now these now you got to miss these three Christmas
games were brutal.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of beside brudet And and
you know they're chasing you off on you know, was
it Netflix.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And Amazon Prime?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, when one was on Prime, the night one was
on Prime, the one before that was on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yeah, and then haven't they had one on Paramount? Possibly
I think there was a game that I was chasing
on Paramount or something. But but but any event, uh, yeah,
I think at this juncture they do whatever the hell
they want.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
That's right. That's right, we got time for one more.
Hey here, do you hear that?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
During the Military Bowl on Saturday between pittan East Carolina,
there appeared to be a sixty eight yard touchdown run
by EC running back Marlin Gunn. However, a few moments later,
head referee Luke Richmond wiped the play off the board.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Die it goes under center for the first time today.
Pitch right, gun gets there first down. He see you
spinning three steal on his feet. Norland Goodjr. It's gone
sixty yard touchdown bat the Invernent whistle.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
A runner got the line to game balt me spotted
at where the whistle was blown.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Carolina.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
Oh my, oh my, an in inverting whistle is gonna
wave this touchdown off.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Oh my goodness, got the line to gain.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
But sorry, you don't get the touchdown because I blew
my whistle too early.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Do you see the little note that I had in
there about more context?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
So two plays later, Hugh Pitt got a scoop and
score fumble recovery for a touchdown. So not only did
East Carolina not get the touchdown, two plays later Pitt
got a touchdown to take a fourteen dead lead. But
all's well, that ends well boys. East Carolina ended up
winning the game twenty three to seventeen. Oh man, have
you ever seen you? Have you ever seen an inverted
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whistle wipe out a touch.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
And maybe not a touchdown, not a long touchdown, it
was was there contact where the official might have thought
that a knee was down? Or did he just the.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Running back goes around the right corner and turns up field.
What's interesting about that? And I can play it again
if you want, But there's no whistle on the they
have mics on them.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You can't hear a whist.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
You can't hear a whistle on the field, which led people,
lots of people on the internet to say that the
referee made up the whistle.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
This is totally rigged. They win.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
It became a massive controversy.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Over the weekend. My question is was there anything that
would appear to be like a reason that he or
he ran out of bounds or or was it just
he was just running scot free, untouched nobody around him,
right to the end zone and somebody blew a whistle
for even close to an apparent reason.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
When the running back turns the corner. He steps about
a foot from the from the from the line the sideline,
but he doesn't come probably within a foot of the sideline.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
So I don't know that's brutal. That's really East Carolina one.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
All right, four o'clock Now we're coming up Mike McDonald's
press conference at four point thirty. We're gonna find out
what is going on in ann Arbor, Michigan with their
new head coach, uh, the ageless wonder Kyle Winningham. Everard
Fitzgherwill joined US six fifteen, getting a set for cracking
hockey at seven On ninety three point three kJ raup
Well, I'm in a good mood. I'm in a good
mood for many reasons. I'm in a good mood that
I'm back in this chair. I'm a good mood that
my friend Jackson Feltz is in that room right there.
I'm in a good mood because Hugh Breed love millin working.
I think like our number thirty of the day on
the radio station is with us.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hi, Hugh, you are you? Did you get a nap
at some.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Time at some point? Yeah, And I'm gonna just apologize
to our P one listeners. Those in the uh in
the industry, they call those what do they call those?
Jackson the one a day?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Right?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah? Yeah, that have to hear me for the third time.
But I was asked, I was asked to fill in
with Softy, and it's great to be with Dick and Jackson.
So let's uh, let's rev it up, man, Let's hit
this thing hard.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
And finally, I'm in a good reason because we have, gentlemen,
a thirteen and three football team for just the third
time ever, we have a team that has a one
and eighty one point differential that is second Old only
by five points to twenty thirteen. So with a decent
(01:05):
size win next week. They can eclipse that. They have
seven road wins, tied for the most ever. They have
four hundred and seventy points scored gentlemen, which is the
most ever. And yet we think this offense for the
most part, stinks. So it's I mean, there's an interesting
dichotomy going on right now with this football team. But
(01:27):
I'm just in a word, guys, I'm appreciative of what
we have here in Seattle. I'm appreciative of what John
Schneider has done to change over this football team. I
am appreciative of what Mike McDonald has come in in
the first two years. I'm appreciative of what Sam donald
has done in the sixteen games this season. I may
(01:47):
be in the minority, but I am going to bask
in thirteen and three right now because Hugh thirteen and three,
as we know, does not come around very often. In fact,
it's only come around three times in fifty years.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah. No, I couldn't agree more. And you're the second
youngest team in the NFL, and you've got a quarterback
who's twenty eight years old, and and you know you
went on the road. Did Carolina look like a real
formidable team. No, not at all, but Seattle helped that
perception and recalled it. Just a couple of weeks ago,
the Rams went out there and Carolina put up thirty
(02:23):
one points in a thirty one to twenty eight win.
And Carolina went to green Bay when green Bay was
flying as high as they could, when Michael Parsons was
still healthy, and they beat green Bay at green Bay.
So this is a team in Carolina that was you know,
entered the game and actually, as we know, still in
the position to win that division. You know, I don't
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think they're going to strike fearing many teams that have
to play them, but they weren't the dregs of the NFL,
and they went out and absolutely dominated over the course
of sixty mon in dominate for thirty minutes, but sixty minutes,
seventeen point win against a team fighting to win the
division on the road.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Pretty good and one of the best defensive performances as
far as yards are allowed in fifty years of Seahawks football,
I mean, eighth fewest yards allowed in franchise history, fewest
since twenty fifteen. We've had a lot of good defenses,
maybe not a lot of great defenses since twenty fifteen.
But we've had a lot of good defenses since twenty fifteen,
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and this was the fewest yards allowed in a decade.
And I think it seems like every the further we
go along this season, the further it kind of feels
to me like this is kind of twenty thirteen all
over again. And what I mean by that is that
in twenty thirteen, I mean when we were sitting here
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and I'm sure we did a show right after the
Monday night football game in Saint Louis, when the Seahawks,
you know, needed a late Golden Tate touchdown to score
fourteen points in a fourteen to nine game, when we
needed over time. The week after that, on November the
third of twenty thirteen to beat Tampa Bay, a terrible, awful,
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horrible might even have been winless Tampa Bay team at
that point, where we got down like seventeen to nothing
at the beginning of the game, When we had this
terrible game against San Francisco down there where we only
scored seventeen points, when we lost the last game of
the regular season to the Arizona Cardinals seventeen to ten,
it feels it feels.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
A little bit like deja vu.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Here man A Jogi would say, deja vu all over
again here where this offense was criticized soundly all October
November December of twenty thirteen long, and yet they got
it all together. They scored enough against New Orleans to
win twenty three to fifteen, They scored enough against San
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Francisco to win at twenty three seventeen, and they scored
more than enough in the Super Bowl to win at
forty three to eight.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
How many can can you? Can you sense any.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Similarities between kind of the angst that that team had
to go through and the arrows that Seahawks fans were
firing at Russell Wilson in that offense twelve years ago
and kind of compare it to today.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, I think that's a lot of good apt comparisons
and and and it's good to be reminded of all that.
And obviously that was the legion of Boom. We didn't
know it, but we were at the beginning the second
year of four where the Seahawks were number one in
the NFL fewest points allowed. I mean, that is quite
(05:34):
a stamp at the lob made and it's the only
team in the Super Bowl era that has ever done that,
and so you know, and had they you know, they
just narrowly, had you know, missed a shutout, it would
have been could you imagine if that was the only
shutout in the history of the Super Bowl and that
(05:55):
was against a a st record setting offense. You know
that if you go to the two thousand Super Bowl
where the Ravens beat the Giants, you know, the Giants,
you know, they were kind of feeble on offense, and
the same thing for Tampa Bay in two thousand and two.
(06:15):
I wouldn't say the Raiders were feeble offensively, but they
were nothing like what the Broncos were in twenty thirteen.
That was a record setting in so many statistics, number
one in the history of the NFL. And that's what
Seattle's defense did. Anyways, we're kind of getting into the
grain with the twenty thirteen team just the comparisons. Yes,
(06:38):
you're right, and certainly this is a defense dominated team.
They got a long way to go to be compared
or to be you know, thought to be the parallel
of the LOB. But what they're doing is they're right
on track. They are right on track with a young
defense and Mike McDonald, and you know how how I
(07:00):
feel about him. So it's fun times.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It is, and it's you know, it would be unfair
to compare this defense to the complete picture of what
the lob accomplished.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
It would be.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
More fair to compare this defense in year two under
mcmike McDonald to where the LOB was in this time
in twenty thirteen, because at this time, at twenty thirteen,
there was no Super Bowl championship, there was no back
to back Super Bowl appearance, there was no number one
(07:33):
in the NFL scoring defense year after year after year
after year. They'd only done it one time in twenty twelve,
and we're on their way to doing it again in
twenty thirteen. But the one where the comparison ends, I
think you is the turnovers. And and let's kind of
let's kind of dive in to the turnovers and the
(07:53):
root cause of the turnovers, because I mean one, you
know one cause maybe maybe you're telling me, hey, Arrel's
much more close to the vest Kobiak and Mike McDonald
let Sam Donald rip a little bit more than in
Russell will was, and that's why there's so many fewer turnovers.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
That year than this year, or you.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Might tell me that day Russell Wilson was just heck
of a lot better protecting the ball than Sam Donald
was as a quarterback. Would how would you delve into
that conversation there, Well.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
First of all, I would say, if you're saying you're
comparing twenty thirteen to this year because it's year two,
just remember and I know you know this, but as
a reminder, that was Pete Carroll's fourth year. First year
was twenty ten, and they had the combination of Gus
Bradley and Dan Quinn and so that there was stability
(08:45):
in terms of how they they taught the cover three
and what have you, and Snyder they had to get
their pieces. So it wasn't until year excuse me, year
four of Carol that you win the Super Bowl. So
I think Mike McDonald, I mean, you could make argument
this is comparable to twenty eleven. Yeah, that's right, which
is which means that Mike McDonald is way ahead of
(09:07):
the curve. Now you know that's not the only way
to analyze it, but it's a way to analyze it.
But you're you're talking about turnovers offensively or.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, offensively I'm talking about the fact that, you know,
Sam Donald is one of the higher turnover both fumbles
and interceptions in the NFL, and that was not part
of Russ's game. We just want to continue this, you know, comparison,
which I kind of started obviously with twenty thirteen because
I am you know, when I've launched this thought that
(09:38):
I'm launching on the air here, when I've launched it
on Twitter, the main pushback I get is, yeah, but
that team took care of the ball and this one doesn't.
So let's kind of delve into that. I mean, we're
going to break down this game. We're going to talk
about all the plays that happened in this game, but
overall in general, how would you respond to those people
(09:59):
that are pushing back and saying, yeah, but this quarterback
puts the ball on the ground and puts the ball
in the hands of the opposition far more than we've
seen in the past.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah, that's true, and it's something that you'd prefer to
not put the ball on the ground and not throw
interceptions as opposed to doing it. I would just say
it's kind of like the game of Djenga. You know,
be careful, you know, how you upset you want to
pull out the interceptions, just be prepared as to what
(10:31):
the unwanted consequences could be, because I look at it
and I say, yeah, yeah, Like nobody excuses interceptions. But
you're getting in Sam Darnold, the quarterback with the number
one rating in passer rating on deep throws, number one
in the NFL. You're getting the quarterback number one in
(10:54):
terms of where passing yards per dropback, number one in
the NFL, Number one in the percentage of plays that
are ten yards or more, number one in number two,
now number two and percentage of plays there are twenty yards.
I mean, there's all these statistics that point to the
(11:15):
big plays. And I touched on it with Ian. If
you run correlation numbers on interceptions and correlate correlation is
you know I've said it before, is okay hot days
in the summer. Number of hot days is going to
correlate to ice cream sales positively, right, right, But number
of hot days is going to negatively correlate to hot
(11:38):
chocolate sales. Correct. Okay, So we get all that, and
the closer you are to zero that is statistically insignificant.
No correlation the closest you are. It's like a batting average,
you know. You know, if you had a seven hundred
batting average or a five hundred batting average, that'd be
a great batting average, right, So it lives in that
(12:00):
world with the negative. So this year, interceptions have a
zero eighty one correlation, right, less than one hundred. That's
very clear. Imagine a bat baseball hitter hitting eighty one
last year was you would expect it. By the way,
when I say negative, we would expect you say, wait
a minute for correlating it to wins. Wins go up
(12:24):
as interceptions go down, so you would expect them to
have like I would. My hypothesis would be it would
be certainly a negative correlation, and it would be relatively
moderate to high in correlation, like negative five hundred, negative
six hundred compared to some others. For example, you know,
just to put it into context, passing yards per dropback
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has a positive five eighty four correlation, which is large,
and Sam Donald's number one, that's that's that's large five
eighty four. Think of a hitter going you know, bat
in five eighty four. So here's the correlations over the
last six years for interceptions, just gross and total numbers
of interceptions, as as it relates to winning percentage. This
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year it's point eighty one, so it's eighty one last year.
And that's, by the way, a positive not negative. Yes,
so it's actually not lasting.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You at all.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Last year was negative. You'd expect it, but it's only
twenty eight. The year before that was oh my god,
it's not only is it positive, it's two fifteen, So
the only time it's not even been close to zero,
it's actually as a positive. What that means is the
more interceptions you're throwing, the more you're winning, not to
a great extent, because two to fifteen isn't strong. The
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year before that twenty twenty two, negative eighty nine. Yes
it's negative, but it's only eighty nine. Remember now, the
the what did I say on the five eighty four
for passing yards per dropback?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
The year before that thirty one. The year before that
negative forty four. So in five of the last six
years the correlation has been under one hundred. In three
of the last six years it's been positive. Three of
the last six years been negative. If you do the aggregate,
(14:14):
it's a positive twenty eight almost the statistic professors that
are driving around going positive twenty eight is next to nothing.
That's basically like are you putting on your left sock first?
Or you're right?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And the only logical hypothesis for this, because somebody's driving
around goal, howait a second, Hugh, how can you possibly
throw more interceptions and it helps you win?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Because throwing more interceptions would lead me to believe that
the quarterback is taking more shots down field. And as
you and as you mentioned, the the shots down field,
the chunk plays, the explosive plays are more favorable to
winning than the turnovers are favorable to losing.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's exactly right. And you know, and then a deep
pass deep attent passer rating, uh Sam Darl's number one
in the NFL, that is a five thirty one correlation
to winning. So everything that you point, Look, I don't
want to just say, well who cares about interceptions? Like
nobody thinks that way. What What what I'm saying is
(15:18):
that they're these numbers are indisputable. And and you say, okay,
that's the numbers base argument. Now kind of do the
common sense, Well you just articulate it exactly right. It's
it's what you have is the winning quarterbacks or they
are pushing them. There's an aggressiveness to what they do
(15:39):
and the difference. What the stats show is there's not
a hell of a lot of difference between throwing an
interception and then going you know, three and out and punting.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And I think we as Seahawks fans and me in general,
because I am I am a more conservative offense, especially
when I have a G eight defense. I mean, I
was screaming, you know, at the top of my lungs yesterday,
just just run the ball, just run the ball. Just
don't give it to them. Caroline is not gonna score.
And I've said that other than the Rams game, I've
said that for basically every other game the Seahawks have
(16:13):
played over the last six weeks. I've been like, hey,
just win the game thirteen to seven. Man, They're not
gonna score more than seven points. And basically none of
these teams have scored more than almost more than ten points.
So we could have won that way. That hasn't been
what Kobeak and McDonald have chosen, and they've been right.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
They've won all the games.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
And they've ended up scoring Yeah, in the twenties every time,
just about it.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, well, and I want you to think about this.
Can we look up, Jackson, can you look up the
date that Seattle signed Sam Donald?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Well, you know, if Hugh, I will, I will do
that in the break because we've got to go to
the commercial.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
We'll take a break, Jackson, do that in the break
and we'll come back. And I've got I've got a
Sam Donald related Twitter pool. I think you guys will
be very very interested in as well. Softian Deck without
the soft One. He's out today and tomorrow. Jackson is here.
Hugh is here on ninety three point three KJRFM from
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Speaker 2 (17:23):
Welcome back, Softian Dick without the soft One. Taking a
few days off here around.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
January first, will be off Wednesday Thursday, but Hugh.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Is with us. Jackson is with us.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Today, tomorrow and Friday. And he has been on many,
many times today, which has been fabulous. I've been tuning
in and out all morning long, all early afternoon long,
and a conversation that Hugh and Ian had in a
one o'clock hour led me to this Twitter poll. Pick
the one that is the most accurate. The the Hawks
(18:00):
are winning because of Sam Donald the Hawks are winning
in spite of Sam Donald. Now, obviously the correct answer
is somewhere in between, but Hugh, we don't allow weasel
options on the Twitter poll.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
So if you're.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Fifty point one percent that Sam Donald is is causing
you to win more than he's hurting you, than you
would vote for the Hawks are winning because of Sam Donald.
In it is unbelievably tight right now, fifty one percent
to forty nine percent say the Seahawks are winning in
spite of Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Jackson, how would you vote on.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
That, Poles, Because it's I think, and I don't even
think it's that close. It's I mean, I would just
refer you to the drive in overtime against the Rams
a week and a half ago where he throws some
money balls, not only of course the winner to Sopper,
which was just a millimeter from going off a Ram helmet,
but also how about that passed a Cooper cup down
(18:58):
the right sidelines.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, I mean that is a pro Bowl, you know.
Starter level pass. He threw some guards in the second half, Yester,
I was gonna say.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
And then you go to yesterday's game, that eight minute
drive in the fourth quarter that took eight off the
clock and ended in three points.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, Sam Darnald came up huge.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Come on, people like, let's give some credit.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Where it's due.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
This dude is bawling right now.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But Hugh, there is this, there is this general consensus
amongst a lot of people out there that you know,
we're just kind of winning in spite of Sam darnld
So how would you respond to those people?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Well, I think that winning is more than just making
the plays to win. It's avoiding the plays that lose
the games. And I think that there are are many
ways that he's avoiding. Like you say, well, he's got interceptions,
but there's other things that are happening in those games.
(19:52):
You know, at Pittsburgh when things were really really tough,
on that third down, Patrick Queen comes unblocked, he spins around,
gets a twenty seven yard or at Arizona that was
a losable game as the defense kind of collapsed in
the fourth quarter. He hits the two fade routes up
the right side to line up the left with you know,
in the in the the tight situation that was I
(20:14):
mean even even that, you know Atlanta was losable. The
plays against Jacksonville where that was a losable game, I mean,
there's far more losable games. I mean, you know you're
talking about in Darnold. He's tied for the NFL in
wins for this win percentage for this season, right you
(20:35):
go over the so over one season, he's tied for
first over two seasons last year. In this he's first
over four seasons going back to twenty twenty two, he's first.
That's over forty starts. Forty starts. It's thirty nine and one.
That's that's better than Mahomes, better than thirty better than
Josh Allen.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
He said, thirty nine and one. I don't think you mean.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I'm sorry thirty one to nine, thirty one and nine, yeah, yeah,
out ahead of myself. I'm thank you for I'm not yeah,
he's good, not that good. I'm silly, but I'm not
got cha. So thirty one and nine and and by
the ways of the guys in the top five, he's
the only one who has a hundred passer rating. The
others are below that, So I look and I and
(21:19):
I would just follow it up with this, let's play
a little thought experiment. The Seahawks traded Gino Smith on
March seventh. They signed Sam Donald on March thirteenth, So
it's basically a week they had where where John Schneider
and Mike McDonald didn't know who the quarterback was going
to be. You know, you didn't know who was going
to throw money at Sam Donald, right, And so let's
(21:42):
say there they're really zeroing in on Sam Donald and
then all of a sudden, a football genie pops out
from the closet or I guess they come out of bottles, right,
And it says, hey, before you sign that, I'm going
to show you a crystal ball of everything that Sam
Donald's gonna do this year before you sign that. Now,
(22:02):
I'm not gonna show you others. It's kind of like,
let's make a deal. I'm gonna show you what's behind
door number one. You get to see every single thing.
And this is what they say. Okay Schneider and mcons says, yeah, yeah,
Gene showed me that crystal ball. Well this is what
he's gonna say. Well, you're going into the final game
of season. You're gonna be the number one seed and
(22:25):
tied for the winning winning this record in the NFL,
You're gonna have tied a franchise record with a chance
to beat it. You're gonna set a franchise record for points.
You're gonna be number two in the league in scoring.
Your quarterback. Darnold is going to be number one in
the NFL in deep passer rating, number one in the
NFL in passing yards per dropback, number one in the
(22:48):
NFL in percentage of plays there are ten or more yards.
He's gonna be number two in off target percentage, So
he's gonna be the second most on tiget. That's by
the NFL stats, Number two in success plays. That's the
uh that's forty the needed yards on first down, sixty
percent of the needed yards on second and and all
the needed yards on third and four. So there's going
(23:08):
to be not just a big play component, but there's
gonna be an efficiency point again, number two in that
and he's gonna be number two in EPA per dropback
expected points. Added that said that new metrics I'm going
to tell you, and by the way, he's gonna have
the eighteenth highest contract at thirty three and a half million.
Not only would John Snyder and Mike McDonald sign sign up,
(23:34):
it would be like you know, in the movie Pretty Woman,
you got Vivian played by Julia Roberts Edward played by
Richard Gearing. You remember they negotiate three thousand dollars for
Vivian to stay with Edward for a week. Vivian comes
up and says, with a little smug smiuse says, I
would have stayed for two thousand and he. Edward replies,
I would have paid four that right, like Mike mc
(24:00):
donald John Schneider would have paid way more than thirty
three point five. And I'll close the thought experiment with this.
If you gave them all those facts and then and then,
and then they asked the genie, well, how many interceptions
he's gonna throw? Genesis, I'm not gonna tell you. You
know what they would have said, Well, if you give
me all those facts, here's a blank check. You write
(24:20):
as many interceptions as you want on there. I don't
care if it's four or forty, right, as many as
you want because obviously, and oh, by the way, you know,
let him know that the Seahawks are either number one
and or number two in all the defensive stats. Right,
so it didn't it didn't cripple the football team. If
you gave them those stats. John Schneider would get writ
(24:42):
a bank, give you a blank check on interceptions. You
think I'm being I'm playing around. I'm being dead serious
because you get prevent you from getting all that other stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's right, and you and you gave the and you
gave the win loss record. Is he out performing what
you thought he would do this year? Or or is
this about what.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
You thought Sam Donald would be as a Seahawk quarterback.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I didn't think they'd be sitting here at thirteen wins. No,
I just mean his performance. Yeah, yeah, I I he's
he's outperforming what I would have thought. Yes, I think
he is too. So I think he is too.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
No, I didn't necessarily see that this many turnovers.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
But I didn't. I absolutely didn't see see.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I thought it was gonna be a much more conservative
game plan this year. I thought it was just gonna
it was gonna be dnk and dunk, it was gonna
be boots, it was gonna be really pound the run
and then if Sam Donald can win you a game
down the stretch at some point, great, but if not,
we're not gonna have him lose the game for you.
It's been way more wide open than I ever thought
this offense would be this year.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. I mean there was,
you know, the thought they're gonna get into twenty one
personnel and maybe jack hammer a little bit more, some hardball,
but you know, and then play action. I don't even
go into the playoffs stuff where he's number one. So so,
but he was. He was a big play producer last
year with the Vikings. Everybody says, well, he's got Justin
Jefferson and acid, right, but he's taken that big play
(26:09):
ability and he's taking it right over to here. So
so yeah, we talked about in the first segment. Nobody
wants these interceptions, but the mentality when you hear Mike
McDonald come on and say, hey, we're just say Sam, hey,
let it rip, you go do your thing. We're hearing
that because Mike McDonald understands the delicate Jenga tower. That
(26:34):
is the way a quarterback has to perform and the
way he has to approach what he's doing. And now
the argument against that would be, well, that the big
plays were mostly front loaded. He hasn't played as well
in in the last seven games.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But his second halves have been good the last month.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
He's and this is another part of it that you'd
want to see in the crystal ball. Well, when he
plays poorly, how does he play in the crunch time well,
the second half against the ram excuse me, the fourth quarter, uh,
and overtime against the Rams when he had had a
passer rating of fifty one after that second interception and
(27:16):
he closes out with the passer rating of like.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Four.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I believe that is, honest to god. I said it
that night, that next day. I still believe it ten
days later. That's one of the guttiest quarterback performance by
any seat quarterback I've ever seen, because it's so hard
to have when he's in the year one in his
(27:41):
team and he's looking around at all these guys and
Ernest Jones went and said, f you if you want
to criticize my quarterback. But he's still in year one.
He's still trying to do it. The fans. You know,
he knows this. On national TV. Hell, he was asked
about it you know, all in the week leading up,
how about this idea, you can't win the big one?
You know, Well, he's too humbled to say, wait a minute,
(28:02):
when we beat the Packers last year on December twenty ninth,
and my teammates threw me up on their shoulders and
basically celebrated like we had just won the super Bowl,
Like that wasn't a big game, you know. You know,
so he doesn't get credit for the games that he's
won being big right, So anyways, the enormous weight after
(28:23):
he threw that second interception, he could feel the stadium,
he could feel what the enormity of Oh Sam Donald
can't win the big one? For him to dig freaking deep,
dig that deep and find that performance in the fourth
quarter and overtime, I can't tell you how much respect
I have for that gut. And I just have to really,
(28:43):
I think I just want everybody to just pause for
a second and try and be Sam Donald in that moment,
try and be that guy with knowing how everybody is
looking at you. Oh my god, this guy is such
a choke artist, right, And he said nope, not tonight.
So it's fascinating when we'll.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Get back to him.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
We have got a lot of plays we want to
get to. We haven't ven dived really into the Carolina
game yet at all. We've been talking more big picture
here in the three o'clock hour. We've got Fun with
Audio coming up next. You'll hear from Mike McDonald in
the four o'clock hour play some of his press conference.
Brandon Brown's gonna join us at five point thirty. He
is the host of Believe in Michigan podcast. There has
(29:25):
been a monumental shift in the Big ten, Kyle Whittingham
taking over as the head coach of Michigan. We'll talk
to him at five thirty about that, ever fits you.
At six fifteen, leading into Crack and Hockey on ninety
three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's now time for Someday in Dick's Fun with Audio.
Jimmy g porn Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo. Now let's have
some fun with audio, all right.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Let's have some fun with audio show we Hugh Breedlove
Millan joins us and hey, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Dick Scott Van Pelt last night Sports Center in real
time learning that the ESPN family of Networks was getting
both Panthers Bucks and Seahawks forty nine ers this coming week.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Have our games for next week breaking news one second,
that's to massleback. Next week we've got hold on now Panthers,
Bucks four thirty, then Seahawks Niners.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Wow, we get both those games. Well, thank you very much, NFL.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
What do you know about that little New York doubleheader?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
We got pretty good, pretty good double dev he finds
out in real time. But it just got me thinking, though,
it's does it not just feel like a high school
basketball evening where you got the jv game at five
thirty in the varsity game at seven? I mean, my god, Bucks, Yeah, okay, Bucks,
Panthers winner of the division.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
It's also the winner gets housed by an NFC West
representative in the first round of the playoffs, right.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Well hopefully well, I mean well, let me let me
rephrase that. If it's the if it's the forty nine ers,
then I hope that they don't get out. Yeah, yeah, no,
I hope that there's an upset. But but no, I
thought that was great. Actually, I was watching that live
when it happened, and you know, Van Pelt's great I
don't know. I mean, that's firstly, I think I think
(31:19):
he's really good at what he does. And I thought
that was a very you know, candidate answer. But you're right.
I mean, look at this Saturday night. They they make
way for this game. I imagine it's gonna be a huge audience. Now,
one could argue that the NFL put the Seattle San
Francisco game behind the Pittsburgh Baltimore game, right, Uh, that
(31:40):
is gonna be played Sunday night. I think that the
immediate thought is how it impacts, you know, a day
shorter for Seattle, having flown across the country and then
now they have to fly again. San Francisco, for their part,
they had to play on Monday night last week, so
they get the second straight week back to back of
(32:01):
a short week. Is a cumulative effect that impacts them adversely,
we hope so. But yeah, I knew it was gonna
be something like that. I just hadn't thought of the
Saturday night game.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Well, the Seahawks are the twentieth team Speaking of the schedule.
The Seahawks are the twentieth team in the last three
years to play back to back road games where the
second game is on a short week, and in the
first nineteen of those games, that team has gone six
and thirteen when they have had to play back to
back road games and the second game is on the
(32:37):
short week. So history, at least recent history is against
the Seahawks going in this game. I saw where the
I've seen pick them. I've seen Hawks favored by as
much as one and a half. So it's probably gonna
bounce around like the line of the Rams Niners game
did Hey here there?
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, I mean, part of that is just that as
a general rule, teams don't play as well on the
road Seattle.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
True, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
And so even if you I'd like to compare that
to back to back road games when you have seven
week seven days as opposed to sit right on the
second Is.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It the short week or is it the road?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Like, what's the correlation to losing the fact that you're
going back to back on the road or the fact
that the.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Short week is the is the second week?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
But Seattle, you know, their statistics are much better defensively
on the road, and I have to think a portion
of that. It The question intrigues the heck out of me.
How much of that is due to better communication.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
It has been mentioned, I don't remember. I think it
might have been Ernest Jones. I don't remember. Somebody was
asked over the last week or two from the Seahawks
and they said, yes, some of our breakdowns at home
defensively has been because we could not communicate with each
other and we got to get back of that.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Hey, Hugh, did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
What's that? Dick?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
On the Saint Brown Podcast, the Lion's wide receiver a
Monros Saint Brown only shared his feelings speaking of scheduling
about having to play games this year on both Thanksgiving
and Christmas.
Speaker 7 (34:06):
I don't think I've ever played on Christmas. Maybe I
have my rookie year against the Falcons. I might have
been Christmas Day. This is like Christmas Day during the week,
which is a little different. I've never played really Christmas
Day like this. So how many Thursday night games have
you guys had this year? This is a third?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Three?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Is crazy?
Speaker 7 (34:23):
Bro? How do I feel about playing on Christmas Day
and we had Thanksgiving? I really I'm not a fan.
We got they the two biggest holidays. I feel like
in the United States we played on both of them,
and I don't have kids yet, Like, if I had kids,
I'd be even more pissed, Like you can't really spend
it with your family. Get this year, you know, your
kids open gifts. I feel like that's something that a
(34:45):
lot of parents, you know, love to see and can't
wait for.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
So I don't even like it.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
I'm not even to father yet, so I can't imagine
what you know, dads and our teams are feeling, like.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Well, Hugh, you've I'm sure you missed a lot of Christmases. Yeah,
but I mean it doesn't really matter if you're playing
on Christmas or if you're on the road during Christmas.
I mean, if a Monroe had a game on the
twenty sixth on the road, he'd still miss Christmas.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
He just happened to be playing on Christmas.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I think his point is that that, hey, wait a minute,
you already have us miss Thanksgiving right every year, you know,
to make us play on Christmas Day.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
You know.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I think he's got a fair point. But I also
I also say, well, that's the cost of doing business
to being a professional athlete. You paid a lot, and
you know you have to just accept the decisions of
the league. What's best for the league, and they thought
there was a you know, Christmas Day. It wasn't. But
a few years ago the NFL thought that that was
sacrileged to playing Christmas plan Christmas. But then they looked
(35:45):
at the NBA and they just kind of said, wait
a minute, Yeah, you know, that looks like there's some
eyeballs worth grabbing. And in year one, look it up,
they ten xt the NBA. The NBA was averaging about
two and a half million. They went over twenty five
millionaire year one, and and you know, Lebron James is
all ticked off, and and you know what, they just
(36:06):
acted like a capitalist predator they did.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Now these now you got to miss these three Christmas
games were brutal.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of beside brudet And and
you know they're chasing you off on you know, was
it Netflix.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And Amazon Prime?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, when one was on Prime, the night one was
on Prime, the one before that was on Netflix.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yeah, and then haven't they had one on Paramount? Possibly
I think there was a game that I was chasing
on Paramount or something. But but but any event, uh, yeah,
I think at this juncture they do whatever the hell
they want.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
That's right. That's right, we got time for one more.
Hey here, do you hear that?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
During the Military Bowl on Saturday between pittan East Carolina,
there appeared to be a sixty eight yard touchdown run
by EC running back Marlin Gunn. However, a few moments later,
head referee Luke Richmond wiped the play off the board.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Die it goes under center for the first time today.
Pitch right, gun gets there first down. He see you
spinning three steal on his feet. Norland Goodjr. It's gone
sixty yard touchdown bat the Invernent whistle.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
A runner got the line to game balt me spotted
at where the whistle was blown.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Carolina.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
Oh my, oh my, an in inverting whistle is gonna
wave this touchdown off.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Oh my goodness, got the line to gain.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
But sorry, you don't get the touchdown because I blew
my whistle too early.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Do you see the little note that I had in
there about more context?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
So two plays later, Hugh Pitt got a scoop and
score fumble recovery for a touchdown. So not only did
East Carolina not get the touchdown, two plays later Pitt
got a touchdown to take a fourteen dead lead. But
all's well, that ends well boys. East Carolina ended up
winning the game twenty three to seventeen. Oh man, have
you ever seen you? Have you ever seen an inverted
(37:59):
whistle wipe out a touch.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
And maybe not a touchdown, not a long touchdown, it
was was there contact where the official might have thought
that a knee was down? Or did he just the.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Running back goes around the right corner and turns up field.
What's interesting about that? And I can play it again
if you want, But there's no whistle on the they
have mics on them.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You can't hear a whist.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
You can't hear a whistle on the field, which led people,
lots of people on the internet to say that the
referee made up the whistle.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
This is totally rigged. They win.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
It became a massive controversy.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Over the weekend. My question is was there anything that
would appear to be like a reason that he or
he ran out of bounds or or was it just
he was just running scot free, untouched nobody around him,
right to the end zone and somebody blew a whistle
for even close to an apparent reason.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
When the running back turns the corner. He steps about
a foot from the from the from the line the sideline,
but he doesn't come probably within a foot of the sideline.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
So I don't know that's brutal. That's really East Carolina one.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
All right, four o'clock Now we're coming up Mike McDonald's
press conference at four point thirty. We're gonna find out
what is going on in ann Arbor, Michigan with their
new head coach, uh, the ageless wonder Kyle Winningham. Everard
Fitzgherwill joined US six fifteen, getting a set for cracking
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