December 5, 2025 • 37 mins
In the third hour, Dick Fain and Hugh Millen talk to John Michaels from Atlanta Sports Radio about Miami and Sunday’s Seahawks-Falcons game, then react to the breaking news about Jimmy Rogers leaving WSU for Iowa State before having Fun with Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
You Breed Love Millan joining us, And now to talk
a little Seahawks Atlanta Falcons. Our friend John Michaels from
Atlanta eight sixty excuse me six point eighty the fan, John,
How you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Doing fantastic? Getting ready for a great weekend of college football?
And then I guess I have to watch the Falcons
because we're here.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Yes you do. Let's let's start with college football.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
As I was talking to Mark James, you and he
commiserating over Miami, I'm with you, guys, Will I will
fully admit I believe Miami should be in. But what
do you think are the chances of your beloved Canes
jumping Notre Dame at what? At noon on Sunday when
the final poll scart final rankings come out?
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You know I would love to say, I like the
chance of us getting in there, but what I've seen
with this committee is to expect absolutely nothing. And if
the names were flip flopped and Notre Dame was at
twelve and Miami was at ten, I'd probably feel just
as bad about Miami being jumped. It's the most ridiculous
thing I have ever seen that a team. And I
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was at the game on August thirty. First, I have
season tickets in Miami. I fly down. I watched us
physically beat the hell out of Notre Dame on August
thirty first. Good game. I take nothing against the IRA
from the Irish. I think they're a worthy playoff team,
just not at the expense of Miami. Because if you
look across the top ten, you have Georgia over ol Miss,
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you have Oklahoma over Alabama, you have Texas with three
losses over Vandy. Why are all those three teams in
front of the other team because they beat them head
to head. Yet the only case is MIAAMMI not over
Notre Dame. And we hear all these metrics and analytics
dorks want to tell us what hypothetically could happen. Miami's
better and they deserve to be there and committee for
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the love you better let us in.
Speaker 7 (02:13):
Well, John, let's shift to those those falcons that are
hurting your eyeballs. But let's start with a little bit
of a local angle. Michael Pennix was thought to be
the guy for this year. It's obviously been disappointing with
the injury and what have you. But just for our
Seattle audience, give us a take on what Michael Pennix was,
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what the feeling was about him, and then of course
with the injury and leading into Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Man, it's to say right now, it feels like the
one word answer would be disappointment. I am one and
I loved Michael Pennis at Washington, watching him throw the
ball all over the fields, all those weapons that he
had when he was at you Dub, you know, seeing
the way that that kid could stand in the pocket
and make every throw him stepping up and move around
a little bit. I know, you know, he wasn't Jaydon
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Daniels to come in and run the ball, but athletic
enough to do stuff. And what we saw this year
just didn't match. And I think part of it has
to do with I think he's in a terrible offensive
system with Zach Robinson. I was hoping that he'd get
hired at Oklahoma State. He didn't. You know, I don't
think Raheem Morris is very good as a coach, and
I think Michael Pennix kind of got caught up in
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a situation where he hasn't been coached great. The team
is really underachieved, and I think a lot of people
started to look at his play. His footwork really was off,
his accuracy was never really there. So in year two
a little bit disappointing. And then you add and exacerbate
with obviously the injury and now not knowing when he's
going to be back. Will it be the beginning of
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next year? Does he missed part of next year as well?
Just disappointed that Michael hadn't kind of manifested to as
good of a quarterback as we thought he was going
to be.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You mentioned hasn't been coach great, and as you were
saying that, I had not realized this, I just looked
up Raheem Moore Morris's head coaching record. He had three
years in Tampa Bay, three and thirteen, then he pops
ten and six, and then he goes back to four
and twelve. Well, guess what he's done in Atlanta. He starts,
he goes four and seven in his first year twenty twenty.
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Then he kind of sort of pops eight and nine
last year, and then back to four and eight this year.
So are we going to see a three and done
in Atlanta for Raheem Morris like we did in Tampa Bay?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah, and remember the twenty twenty year he was actually
an interim coach. That was Dan Quinn got fired after
an zero to five start last year. You know, there
were so many things we talked about with Raheem Morris.
It was terrible time management, not using timeouts, you know,
kind of just staring at the halo board as the
game is going along, and we never really knew what
we wanted. Well, the scapegoat last year was Jimmy Lake,
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his defensive coordinator, who he never probably should have hired
to be an NFL defensive coordinator. Now this year the
scapegoat turned into Ike Hilliard, who was a wide receiver
coach who got fired. And now a lot of people
are pointing at Zach Robinson. Truthfully, if it was up
to me, Raheem Morris would be done. He would get
two full years, the interim year notwithstanding, and he'd be
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done at the end of the year. I quite frankly,
just don't think he's a very good coach. I think
he's a good coordinator, and that's fine. In the NFL,
there are guys that are set up to be coordinators
and not head coaches, and I think that's where Raheem
Morris falls. And I think you're seeing it this year.
The Falcons were supposed to win this division if you
looked at it on paper at the beginning of the year,
or at least sit and fight. They've now been passed by,
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not only by Tampa but Carolina. Something's got to change
at the end of the year, but I don't really
think it's going to happen.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Then, on the offensive side of the ball, with the coaching,
we'd heard reports that Michael Pennick said that he didn't
have anybody to talk to when he came on to
the sidelines. Was that report accurate? Is that something that
the club has responded to just kind of obviously that
speaks to the head coach and that the hierarchy and
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the chain of command there. But what about that story
and how's that impacting the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Yeah, we absolutely ran without a bunch. When Michael Penis
was at a press conference and said, you know, he
turns the high school coaches and he talks to his
fiance and everything else. Look, I watch as many of
these games as intently as anybody else. I have seen
a full disconnect on the sideline. Remember at the beginning
of the year, Zach Robinson was in the booth and
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then they go, well, it's not working. They fired the
wide receiver coach and Ike Hilliard and then they said,
all right, we're going to put Zach Robinson on the
field and that's going to fix it all. And I
actually played really well against Buffalo on a Monday night
where they win a game twenty eight to fourteen. But
that was the game. I think it was twenty one
to nothing early and then the second half the offense
really really struggled. And then the rest of the time
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the offense has struggled. And it doesn't feel like Michael
Pennix really has anybody over there. I don't think him
and Kirk Cousins were ever that close. I don't think
Kirk Cousins really gave a damn about helping out a
guy that he felt like took his job anyway. I
don't think Zach Robinson's cut out to be an offensive
coordinator in this league, judging by the fact that we
ran more pistol than anybody else in the league and
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the fact that as soon as Kirk Cousins came in
at quarterbacks, suddenly we start going under center and suddenly
the play action passes working. Now we're hearing that maybe
Michael Pennis is incapable of taking the ball from under center.
I've called that out because I saw games that you
dub and I get it. He was in the shotgun
a lot under Ryan Grubb, but there were times he
got under center and he could run play action that
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was fine. I think they're just a dysfunctional mess, and
unfortunately for Michael, he's one that's caught up in the
mix of bad coaching, a terrible organization right now, and
basically we're the Jets of the South.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
I wish John was a little more opinionated, Hugh, don't
you think you know?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
He's just so much so milk toast with his takes. John,
Michael's joining us six eight to the fan in Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
John, let me be glass half full. Falcons guy.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
For a second, Hey, John, if a couple of plays
go differently in the last month, this team six and
six are seven and five. I mean they got a
plus one point differential in the last five games, and
yet they're one and four in those games. So is
this a six and six team masquerading as a four
and eight team? And why aren't they closing these games
that are so close in the end.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna steal the quote. You are
what your record says you are. Should they be better? Absolutely?
You've got a stud in Vijon Robinson when healthy. Drake
London is a stud. I think the two kids you
drafted on the defensive front this year in James Pierce
Junior and Jalen Walker, can be really good. They've got
pieces where they should be better. The problem is when
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you lose a lot of close games, you start to
look at different places and immediately I'm going to look
on the sidelines with Raheem Morris. Normally I would give
a team the benefit of the doubt. You know, hey,
we did lose a bunch of close games early in
the year. You lose a late game to Tampa that
you had chances to win, but this is going to
be eight straight years the Falcons have finished below five
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hundred and not make the postseason. If the Seahawks beat
them on Sunday, they're eliminated from the postseason, which is
going to mean we turn our attention to Georgia football
and we start looking ahead to the Braves. And I
don't think anybody that has an NFL team in their
city wants to be doing that with four or five
weeks left in the season, So, you know, I'd love
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to have the glass half full with them. Unfortunately, you know,
I did sidelines for the team all the way through
the twenty tour through the twenty nineteen season. They have
not made the postseason since then. They haven't been particularly
close since then. And I don't know that they're just
a magic you know, kind of snap the fingers and
we're going to make up for everything that's happened over
the past year. So now they are what they are,
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they're a way below five hundred team. I fully expect
them to get their bus whip this year this week,
and there's going to be a lot of the twelfth
Man inside Mercedes Benz Stadium because I think Falcon fans
will be their Sackaturday for the SEC Championship game, and
Sunday will be at home, probably sitting watching the Selection show,
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cooking some wings and not really paying attention to the
NFL product.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Well, John, give us a breakdown maybe on each side
of the ball. Offensively, the Falcons you mentioned Beson Robinson
number one by a good margin in use of the
outside zone, which was so celebrated with the arrival of
Clint Kubiak. Here, we're going to see a lot of that.
Drake London's out, You mentioned the piece more under center
as opposed to pistol. Just kind of what do you
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see from the Falcon offense that Seattle defensively should be
concerned with.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
You know, the one thing they did a couple of
weeks ago, and a lot of it has to do
with Drake one and not being there. They went a
ton of thirteen personnel in the game that they won
against the Saints, so they're going to go three tight
run the football, play action pass. Unfortunately, and you know
I'm around the team, I don't know who has to
damn Widers are Darnell Mooney has been a super disappointment
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this year. Got hurt there in training camp. He can't
catch the ball. He's not getting open the way that
he has. The other guys are basically free agent type
receivers that they're having to try it out there. So
Kyle Pitts, you know, if there is kind of a
slender of positivity, the former fourth overall pick has had
a solid year this year. Kirk Cousins can't move. He's
a statue back there. So it's literally going to be
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if Seattle can stop Dijon and Tyler Algiar and Tyler
Algiers is a monster backup running back, the Falcons are
going to have a hard time getting to twenty points.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
How about on the other side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I mean, this has been a Seahawk offense that really
hasn't had to do much the last few weeks. But
when they have had to do much, they Sam Darnold
has been hot and cold, we'll say, after his brilliant
first two months. So is this a Falcons d that
could give Seattle's offense problems?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, if nothing else. You know, the Falcon for really
the better part of their franchise history, just couldn't sack
the quarterback. I mean, it was the most amazing thing.
You'd watch like, how the hell are you getting eighteen
SATs a year? We went like a five week stretch
where we had five sacks or more. So, if there
is something that new defensive coordinator Jeff Obert's going to
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do really well and Seattle needs to worry about, the
Falcons will pressure the quarterback. I mentioned the two young
edge guys. They've got a kid inside that played at Oregon,
Brandon Dorles, who's played really well so far for us.
On the interior, you know, you throw in Leonard Floyd
kden Ellis at linebacker, getting divine Diablo back is a
guy that really could run sideline the sideline and hit
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you and make plays. I think they've done well there.
And then in the secondary they kind of had a
revelation with a young kid, Zavie will Watch, who they
drafted out of Notre Dame. Put him next to Jesse
Bates at safety. Like the defense has been good and
in other years, like we thought this offense was going
to be pretty solid. This year, the Falcons would have
been a team you looked up and go, all right,
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they might be on the sum So Seattle's got to
be careful. Look on third down. If you're in third
and five or more, the Falcons are bringing people. It's
not going to be a four man rushing. They're gonna
hate him up with five, six, sometimes seven people, and
they're going to look to get a Sam Donald on
the ground.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Final moments with John Michael's discussing the Falcons and and
and my question would be, just from an overview about
the Psyche, where are the Falcons?
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (13:21):
As you said, a game away from elimination, it appears
that Raheem Morris is a dead man walking. I know
from having played for the Falcons for three years that
you know it can be a little bit of a
apathy and maybe malaise. You know when things get this way.
Is it hard for the Falcons to get motivated this Sunday?
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We know they can. You know that Buffalo game kind
of gets my attention that you do. You described that,
But but where do you think the Falcons are from
a mindset standpoint as they host the Seahawks Sunday?
Speaker 8 (13:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Team wise, I'm sure they're still motivating. That's the thing
about Raheem Morris that sucks. He's actually really well liked
inside the locker room. He's an unbelievable players. Coach. I
just don't know how much accountability the team has. I mean,
I've watched guys to make mistakes and they trot back
out there. I've seen systems, you know, where they just
continue to run the same thing over and over again.
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I don't know what the accountability is. I can tell
you for the fans there as a we don't give
a damn anymore. Like I fell asleep in the third
quarter of the game against the Jets. It was so threatned,
so boring. And you know, I use the Saints game
for an example, like that's our mortal enemy. Like that
is absolute hatred, probably how you guys feel about forty
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nine ers. You don't miss the game. Ever, that same
Fountains game had so little buzz, and I know it
was in New Orleans, but it had so little buzz
that people don't care. And I'm gonna tell you you're
really be lucky to see forty thousand people inside this building.
I challenge you guys, watch the SEC Championship game Saturday
and listen to how loud that place is and watch
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the passion, and then you guys will obviously watch the
game Sunday. It is going to be a complete one
to eighty. It's going to be a dead man, a
dead environment. Fans don't care. People are already talking about Hey,
vote with your wallet and don't show up. Apathy is
probably the best word for the fan base.
Speaker 9 (15:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I know there's guys in this on this team that
are fighting for jobs and careers, but I don't think
it's going to matter. I think they get eliminated from
the playoffs Sunday, and like I said, we'll be watching
for the college football playoffs and turn our attention to
something that's going to make us happy before the Christmas holidays.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Well, there we go. That sounds like a good weekend.
The Canes make the play the playoff and then the
Seahawks hammer the Falcons.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
So you're happy.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
We're happy because you don't care much about the Falcons
anyway and what.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
They do the rest of the year. And we're all good.
So thanks John, we appreciate it. Man, have a good weekend.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Hey anytime.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Thanks guys, John Michaels.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And you know, we've been very fortunate in this town
for a long time, but really particularly this year.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I mean he talked about apathy.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
There's a lot of Major League Baseball cities that have
a hell of a lot of appathy.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
For six months, we were not one of them.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
There are quite a few NFL cities that have big
time apathy for their NFL team.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
We are not one of them.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
So let's embrace it while we got it. When we
come back, big breaking news in college football. Should I
just let the cat out of the bag.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
Right now, Jackson, Let's just tease it as a major,
potentially minor now university in the state is going to
have to look for a new coach because, oh my god,
the trickle down in college football has happening.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It is happening. We'll talk about next on ninety three
point three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
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Speaker 2 (16:52):
Well less than three hundred and sixty five days ago,
Jimmy Rodgers became the new head football coach at Washington
State University, and now here we are less than a
year later and he is moving on. According to Pete Thammel,
Jimmy Rodgers set to become the next head coach at
Iowa State. So what thirty nine years after Jim Walden
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does the exact same thing and goes from Washington State
University to Iowa State. Jimmy Rodgers is doing you? Your
first thoughts you of Jimmy Rodgers moving off to after
one one season?
Speaker 7 (17:30):
My first thoughts, I don't know how many more kicks
in the groin that Cougars can get I can imagine.
I mean, we all have, you know, countless friends that
are Cougar's and they are just as passionate about Washington
State football as we are about Washington football. And you know,
I feel bad for him. Look your competitors on the field.
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You know, I have no love loss for Washington State
when you're playing him in the game. But on matter
such as this boy, I would just say I feel
sadness first and foremost for presuming that they wanted him,
and they feel like this is a blow to their program.
They've taken a lot of them.
Speaker 10 (18:13):
I know we're gonna get Ian fronessan from the Cooper
perspective in a few minutes, and it's one of those
things where they're for a husky fans like like us.
I think there's definitely two minds about it. It's it's
you just feel so bad like they are kind of,
you know, for lack of a better term, they are
a little brother, and when your little brother gets knocked down,
you know it, it sucks, and I feel for them
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as still a rival. It's sort of like there's a
little bit of seannenfreude where it's like, man, like that sucks,
but that sucks for you, Glad it's not me at
the end of the day. Like I think the overwhelming
feeling instantaneously is the first one where it is you
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hate to see something happen to family, and you know
we're no longer like in the same conferences then they are.
There are a little brother and boy, I mean our
little brother right now is getting their ass kicked over
and over and over and it sucks to watch.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Yeah, I'm kind of with Hugh and it's it's just
enough is enough?
Speaker 8 (19:14):
Right?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I mean, it's not it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Gives it like it used to give me joy when
bad things happen to the Kougs. It doesn't give me
joy anymore. It's like I don't get joy when watching
the Cougs lose or lose their coach or get kicked
out of a conference.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Like it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
It's like, like Hugh said, and enough is enough. And
what's interesting is we spend you know, we spent a
bunch of time talking about the disparity with the Huskies
between how they played against the worst teams versus the
best teams. You want to know, the complete opposite in
college football this year was the Washington State Cougars. They
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played some of their worst football against the crappiest teams
they played. They barely beat Idaho, a four and eight
Big Sky team at home. They beat him thirteen to ten,
and I believe they had to come back to win
that game. They lost to Oregon State ten to seven.
Oregon State was miserable this season, and yet at fourth ranked,
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Old Miss goes down to the wire. At eighteenth rank, Virginia,
a team playing for the college football playoffs, goes down.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
To the wire. They lose by two.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
At twenty fifth rank, James Madison, who's playing for a
conference championship right now, goes down to the wire. They
lose by four points. I mean, Jimmy Rodgers coached his
best in the biggest moments of the season.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Well indeed, and obviously you felt like they were on
the incline, and then they got the revenge game against
the Beafs. But I think that some of this, the
elements to these issues that have hit college football are
the themes are just so oh substantive and seemingly transcend sports.
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For example, team sports. This has been going on a
long time. Where's the player's role and a coach, you know,
and in this case of coaches role, where you have
individual goals but then around a team construct. And why
did the Pac twelve break up? Because USC and UCLA
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finally started thinking like Notre Dame and said, hey, what's
in it for us? I'm tired of being a socialist
here in a capitalist, free market system. And so I
think there's just themes that seem to transcend sports. But
I don't know, let me know what Ian's on you.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Yeah, he's ready to go.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
And I think there's a lot of Cougar fans out
there listening that probably don't want to hear a couple
of Huskies talk about the Cougars losing their head coach
to Iowa State, so we thought we'd actually bring the
head koog on at least headko Get this radio station,
Ian Fornest joining us right now. Ian, your thoughts on
Jimmy Rodgers after one season of what I thought was
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a pretty darn good job at Washington State moving on
to Iowa State.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
Wait a second, I thought we were talking Seattle politics.
I thought we were talking about our new mayor. I
heard socialism talk coming up. I hear I heard something
about socialism. I go, I will be talking about mayor
Katie there.
Speaker 11 (22:25):
What are you doing? What's going on?
Speaker 9 (22:28):
God?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 11 (22:29):
I mean college football sucks.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
I mean that's my favorite sport, to be honest with you,
like in terms of just being a fan, it's my
favorite sport.
Speaker 11 (22:37):
I love it. It sucks.
Speaker 9 (22:39):
Calendar screwed up everything about It's messed up right now,
They've got to fix the calendar. This is exactly why
you have forty eight hours removed from a recruiting cycle
and a signing day situation, and a coach leaves not
just here, but a coach leaves Iowa State, right, So like, like,
I mean, it's not just that I mean I would
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state it will be fine.
Speaker 11 (23:01):
They get Jimmy, I guess if they like to lose
games late, they'll be okay.
Speaker 9 (23:04):
But you know, he's got the Jake Dickard DNA and
don't even though they didn't coach together. But no, I mean,
it's just it's it's disappointing. We don't have an athletic
director over there right now. Hell, we didn't have enough
athletic director before the guy went to wherever he's at
right now. I mean he fell asleep at the wheel
with Kyle Smith. We did not for an extension and
and then now we don't have an athletic director that
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that could have at least like you know, got involved.
Maybe with Jimmy Rodgers, probably not. I mean, you're going
to the Big twelve, you're going to a power for conference school.
Speaker 11 (23:37):
But yeah, it's just just disappointing. Man, it's just just
massively disappointing two years in a row, losing a head coach.
Speaker 9 (23:44):
And it's amazing that six and six and mediocrity and
average gets you a promotion in today's world.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
I need to find a career that gives us that.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Yeah, well, I'm curious from your perspective in the search
for a coach, Is there any way that you can
kind of try and and meet out, uh, you know,
those who are likely to be more loyal and stay
versus those that are that are eager to climb in
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this regard. I mean, do you think that that the
Cougar brain trusts and those responsible for this are are shocked,
they're surprised, or was this something Okay, we we kind
of in our mind we're ready for this, and whether
it happened this year or the next year, we're just
gonna roll on to the next guy. I mean, what's
the strategy moving forward here?
Speaker 11 (24:36):
This is stunning.
Speaker 9 (24:37):
This is a guy that was at South Dakota State
as a player, as a grad assistant, as a head coach. Uh,
small town guy felt like he said what Pullman was
was there for one year? The thought would be listen
and a couple of two or I just had this
conversation with Alex Brink the other day, like this is
a this is a guy that you just fits everything
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you think would be.
Speaker 11 (24:58):
Pullman and small school land Grant School, and he.
Speaker 9 (25:02):
Would be there for a few years and you know
what when he leaves at some point Alex had a
great point. At some point, every coach leaves unless you're
at probably now Ohio State and Alabama, I don't know
anyplace else. I mean, you guys went to the dam
National Championship game and your coach left, Like every coach leaves,
you live with that every coach leaves. But this is
a guy that fits the mo of staying in a
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place that is, you know, everything that he's kind of about.
So when he leaves in three or four years, hell,
we probably won the pack the new Pac twelve title,
a couple two, two or three times things are good
and he leaves. You know, this is just a case
of a guy. He's there for one year. The athletic
director that hired him is no longer there. She got fired.
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They don't have an athletic director. There's a lack of
leadership there right now in the athletic department. Now, I
love our new president, by the way, President Cantwell. She
is a ball buster and I like her, but she's
got a big job to do. But with no athletic
director in place. And it's here's craziness is though Matt
Campbell took that job four hours.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
Ago at Penn state.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
Yeah, he took that job.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
Like, I've never had a job where I interviewed and
was hired within two or three hours?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Have you known?
Speaker 9 (26:13):
And I certainly never had a job where I got
hired two or three hours later and it was making
seven figures. So like, that's how, that's how screwed up
this world is that we're living in right now with
college football and he do it. I don't know, man,
I can't. I can't relate to it because you know,
and you guys both know me I and I think
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you guys follow in the same category. I'm a little
bit loyal, and I think I couldn't do that to
kids like you just signed kids forty eight hours ago, man,
forty eight hours ago. And those kids you signed, those
kids aren't going to a power Fork school, right, They're
all two and three star guys.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yep, yep. They're not making a million dollars next year.
Speaker 11 (26:57):
No, And so but I get it. He's doing it
for his family to make money. Good.
Speaker 9 (27:01):
Go go go, Jimmy. You know, Jimmy, go. Do you
what really screwed us last year? To be honest with you, well,
I'll go back. Basketball killed us. A couple of years ago,
Kyle Smith takes a team to the tournament. Never once
was the athletic director. That's no longer our school, and
he might be somewhere else.
Speaker 11 (27:15):
Dick you might know who he is.
Speaker 9 (27:17):
Never once did that guy offer him a contract extension
to even even just offer it to him, say hey, listen,
you can sign it and get out, but at least
we'll protect the school and get money on the backside, right,
I have a buyout. Never once did that happen. So
we had that guy fall asleep at the wheel there.
Now we lose an athletic director. Last year or this year.
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They fired Anne McCoy, which is fine, she we.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
Needed to upgrade in that regard. I get its fundraising thing.
But with no athletic director in place, this happens today.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
And oh, by the way, last year, when Jake Dickard left,
he even though he was interviewing during the bye week
in October with Wake Forest when their coach announced he
wasn't coming back. Even though he did that fundamentally quit
on the team. As it our buckle and I hope
Oklahoma is enjoying how their offense with him and my
tier looking right now. But even though those guys did that.
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We we waited because Dicker didn't get the job or
take the job until after the Idaho coach Jason Eck
had already taken the job at New Mexico in a
week or two later. He's got Jason Eck was the
perfect coach for Pullman, perfect coach.
Speaker 11 (28:21):
And look what he's.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
In in New Mexico this year. And they missed that
on that. Now, maybe you go get him this year.
Maybe you could go do that because it's here's a
funny thing. There's unless again you're Alabama, Ohiose State, there's
always a step up, right, and the Mountain West without
Boise State and everybody else, you're.
Speaker 11 (28:37):
A wor a step up.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
But I don't know, man, It's it's just I'm disappointed
college football. I'm I'm just disappointed in the calendar. Fix it,
sak it up like the NFL did. The great philosopher
soft He had had the perfect answer, and others have to.
Just you don't need springs football. You and I, you
and I talk brother's on Monday. You know spring football.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
I The calendar wouldn't have helped you on this one.
Speaker 9 (29:08):
No, here's the thing. What would have helped though, is
is if if the situation of recruiting and and all that, yes,
that would have that would have been different, right in
the portal and everything, Like you.
Speaker 11 (29:20):
Screw the kids in the process.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
Guys, you're screwing the kids, not just not just us
as fans, just screwing the kids. I always stay screwed.
Our guys are screwed. Whoever Wazoo gets their kids are screwed.
And you know, like like I don't think we should
play in a bowl game, Like why.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Yeah, would playing a blame at this point?
Speaker 9 (29:39):
Well it would be two years in row playing with
an infim coach, Like why would you even do that?
So yeah, it's just it's it's what a world we
live in, man. I I I belong to the days
along to the days of you know, Don James and
Terry Donna Hue and those guys saying at their schools
forever on the West Coast, you and along for those days. I.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I know it's not the way you wanted to start
your weekend. We appreciate you coming on though, and I
will leave you with a little chuckle that Jackson just
let me know that. In the press release, Iowa State
spelled Jimmy Rodgers name wrong.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
So there you there you go. That that gives.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Eddy He's solace.
Speaker 11 (30:18):
Iowa State is known as the Harvard of the Prairie.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yes it is, Yes it is.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
Thanks, not surprised.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
Thanks, we're the Harvard. We're the Harvard of the police,
but they're the Harvard of the Prairie.
Speaker 11 (30:30):
So well done. And you know what, Jimmy, screw you.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Thanks man, that's the inferness. Oh man, we got it.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
We got to talk to Ian every year when his
coach leaves. It's unbelievable. Last year with Dickert, this year,
now with Jimmy Rodgers going to Iowa State. Fun with
Audio coming up next.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
It's now time for something in Digg's Fun with Audio.
Speaker 12 (30:52):
Jimmy ga Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Now let's have some fun with audio. Oh, welcome back,
welcome back here until seven.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Our chat with Rick new Heisl come up in about
thirty minutes. We'll talk to him about the lane kiff
and move the evaluation of the Husky football season. As
Rick a proponent of the Big Ten Football playoff weekend
that could have happened this week had the rules been
in place. All that Todd Millis will join us final
(31:31):
segment of the show leading up to high school football
tonight on nine to fifty, kJ Ram Mike Benton will
have the call of Mount Tahome against Ode in the
three A State Championship. I'll have the call tomorrow with
Chris Kidd in the four A State Championship between Lake
Stevens and Summer.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
But it's time now for a little bit of fun
with audio. Hey did you hear that? Hey, Hugh, did
you hear that? What's that?
Speaker 11 (31:51):
Dick?
Speaker 10 (31:53):
I hear the.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
What's going on there?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Comeback there?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
You?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Oh, I'm trying to face on you, ad. I'm like
Sam Darnold in the pocket.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
Man, I can't keep two hands on the ball.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Last night, after the Cowboys lost in the Lions on
Thursday Night Football, Amazon Prime analyst Richard Sherman ripped Dallas
receiver George Pickens for his effort.
Speaker 12 (32:18):
Bunch pickings throughout the game and especially late in the game,
just looked terested, uninterested in playing football, you know. And
that's what you can't have if you're gonna be a superstar,
if you want to be the best receiver in the
National Football League, you can ever be disengaged. It doesn't
matter if the game is going your way or not
going your way. You can't just disappear in these games
or else you're not going to have impact. And just
right here, cruising cruising routes, you're the guy. You're the guy.
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Ceedee Lama's not in this game. He's out and you
get intercepted on your slant routes and you can't be
the guy in half assid. I'm sorry, it's just you can't.
It's unacceptable. And if you're the Dallas Cowboys and you're
looking at him and you're looking to pay him big
time receiver money forty million dollars, you gotta look at
this state and say, hey, is this a guy we
can trust paying forty million dollars to show up regardless
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of circumstance.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
There are some guys that can rip other players and
they have legitimate legs to stand on. I think Richard
Sherman's one of those, because I don't ever remember Richard
Sherman dog in a play.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
I think Richard Sherman played hard.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Sometimes he would yawn because he was so bored over
on one side that nobody could get open but I
don't ever remember him dogging to play Hugh.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
Nor do I, and I agree with every word he said.
He speaks the truth. I mean, from a cowboy perspective,
this guy pickens, I mean the idea that he would
pass ceedee lamb. But then you want to know the
character of your highest paid players because the young guys
are going to look up to them. Your best players
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are always your leaders. People think of the word leadership
a leader, and it has a positive connotation. Oh he's
a leader. Oh You'll just think, oh, that must be
he's a good leader. No, the best players are leaders,
and there are sometimes they are negative leaders and they
bring the room down. I'm not saying that he fits
that category, but Richard Sherman is right that the Cowboys
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need to dive deep into that to say, hey, could
this be infectious? I mean, I played with the Cowboys
with Michael Irvin, who's the hardest working player was around,
and he had incredible impact on the entire locker room
because of that work ethics. So I think Richard Sherman
nailed that.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Heyhu, do you hear that? What's that did?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
ESPN's Chris Fowler joined Dan Patrick for an interview this
week and insisted that his network with the Big four
Letters plays no part in the college football selection process
and getting to the big getting the biggest brands into
the bracket.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
How much does brand play in this?
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Do you think in the minds of the committee that
Notre Dame's brand?
Speaker 11 (34:51):
How important is that?
Speaker 6 (34:53):
He asked your viewers. They would say, it's everything. I mean,
the ESPN's pulling the strings. We went the biggest brands.
I promise you we have played no part in that.
And I don't know in the committee's mind if it
plays a part. People just sort of assume that Notre
Dame is an elite program. When they have ten wins,
it must be a really great team.
Speaker 11 (35:10):
But I think you'd have to.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Go member my member and and really get them to
give them some truth serum and ask them if it matters.
You're never gonna like dissuade the conspiracy theorists because they're everywhere.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Yeah, I think that's a fair response.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I think we all want to believe that, you know,
big bad ESPN has got all the control over everything.
But you know, honestly, if it was all about the
big brands, would sm you been the eleven Seed instead
of Alabama last year.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
No, they would. It was if it was ESPN pulling
the sprint strings.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Alabama would have played Penn State in the first round
last year instead of SMU play in Penn State. And
you know what, I thought Alabama should have played Penn
State because I know I knew before the game they
would give Penn State a better game. And guess what
they would SMU lost thirty eight to ten. Hugh.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
Yeah, No, I agree with you, And I think if
you said, Okay, I'm going to operate from the premise
I know that there is a conspiracy and then look
for evidence to support that theory, you could find it
if you. On the on the other hand, if you say, okay,
this is my hypothesis there is no conspiracy, then you
can find evidence for that. I would just say that
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conspiracy means two or more people involved in the action.
And so how are they communicating? Are there emails? You
tell me that that there could never be a leaked email?
Or is there texts? There could never be leaked text
Are there private conversation, Well, everybody's got a recording device
in their pocket. No spoken word ever was communicated, or
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or is it just something that they telepathically know, well,
this is what's best, you know. I just I would
have to be presented with evidence that works with that
challenge before I'm going to read that there's a conspiracy.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
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Speaker 2 (37:03):
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Speaker 5 (37:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
You Breed Love Millan joining us, And now to talk
a little Seahawks Atlanta Falcons. Our friend John Michaels from
Atlanta eight sixty excuse me six point eighty the fan, John,
How you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Doing fantastic? Getting ready for a great weekend of college football?
And then I guess I have to watch the Falcons
because we're here.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Yes you do. Let's let's start with college football.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
As I was talking to Mark James, you and he
commiserating over Miami, I'm with you, guys, Will I will
fully admit I believe Miami should be in. But what
do you think are the chances of your beloved Canes
jumping Notre Dame at what? At noon on Sunday when
the final poll scart final rankings come out?
Speaker 6 (01:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You know I would love to say, I like the
chance of us getting in there, but what I've seen
with this committee is to expect absolutely nothing. And if
the names were flip flopped and Notre Dame was at
twelve and Miami was at ten, I'd probably feel just
as bad about Miami being jumped. It's the most ridiculous
thing I have ever seen that a team. And I
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was at the game on August thirty. First, I have
season tickets in Miami. I fly down. I watched us
physically beat the hell out of Notre Dame on August
thirty first. Good game. I take nothing against the IRA
from the Irish. I think they're a worthy playoff team,
just not at the expense of Miami. Because if you
look across the top ten, you have Georgia over ol Miss,
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you have Oklahoma over Alabama, you have Texas with three
losses over Vandy. Why are all those three teams in
front of the other team because they beat them head
to head. Yet the only case is MIAAMMI not over
Notre Dame. And we hear all these metrics and analytics
dorks want to tell us what hypothetically could happen. Miami's
better and they deserve to be there and committee for
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the love you better let us in.
Speaker 7 (02:13):
Well, John, let's shift to those those falcons that are
hurting your eyeballs. But let's start with a little bit
of a local angle. Michael Pennix was thought to be
the guy for this year. It's obviously been disappointing with
the injury and what have you. But just for our
Seattle audience, give us a take on what Michael Pennix was,
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what the feeling was about him, and then of course
with the injury and leading into Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Man, it's to say right now, it feels like the
one word answer would be disappointment. I am one and
I loved Michael Pennis at Washington, watching him throw the
ball all over the fields, all those weapons that he
had when he was at you Dub, you know, seeing
the way that that kid could stand in the pocket
and make every throw him stepping up and move around
a little bit. I know, you know, he wasn't Jaydon
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Daniels to come in and run the ball, but athletic
enough to do stuff. And what we saw this year
just didn't match. And I think part of it has
to do with I think he's in a terrible offensive
system with Zach Robinson. I was hoping that he'd get
hired at Oklahoma State. He didn't. You know, I don't
think Raheem Morris is very good as a coach, and
I think Michael Pennix kind of got caught up in
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a situation where he hasn't been coached great. The team
is really underachieved, and I think a lot of people
started to look at his play. His footwork really was off,
his accuracy was never really there. So in year two
a little bit disappointing. And then you add and exacerbate
with obviously the injury and now not knowing when he's
going to be back. Will it be the beginning of
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next year? Does he missed part of next year as well?
Just disappointed that Michael hadn't kind of manifested to as
good of a quarterback as we thought he was going
to be.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You mentioned hasn't been coach great, and as you were
saying that, I had not realized this, I just looked
up Raheem Moore Morris's head coaching record. He had three
years in Tampa Bay, three and thirteen, then he pops
ten and six, and then he goes back to four
and twelve. Well, guess what he's done in Atlanta. He starts,
he goes four and seven in his first year twenty twenty.
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Then he kind of sort of pops eight and nine
last year, and then back to four and eight this year.
So are we going to see a three and done
in Atlanta for Raheem Morris like we did in Tampa Bay?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah, and remember the twenty twenty year he was actually
an interim coach. That was Dan Quinn got fired after
an zero to five start last year. You know, there
were so many things we talked about with Raheem Morris.
It was terrible time management, not using timeouts, you know,
kind of just staring at the halo board as the
game is going along, and we never really knew what
we wanted. Well, the scapegoat last year was Jimmy Lake,
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his defensive coordinator, who he never probably should have hired
to be an NFL defensive coordinator. Now this year the
scapegoat turned into Ike Hilliard, who was a wide receiver
coach who got fired. And now a lot of people
are pointing at Zach Robinson. Truthfully, if it was up
to me, Raheem Morris would be done. He would get
two full years, the interim year notwithstanding, and he'd be
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done at the end of the year. I quite frankly,
just don't think he's a very good coach. I think
he's a good coordinator, and that's fine. In the NFL,
there are guys that are set up to be coordinators
and not head coaches, and I think that's where Raheem
Morris falls. And I think you're seeing it this year.
The Falcons were supposed to win this division if you
looked at it on paper at the beginning of the year,
or at least sit and fight. They've now been passed by,
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not only by Tampa but Carolina. Something's got to change
at the end of the year, but I don't really
think it's going to happen.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Then, on the offensive side of the ball, with the coaching,
we'd heard reports that Michael Pennick said that he didn't
have anybody to talk to when he came on to
the sidelines. Was that report accurate? Is that something that
the club has responded to just kind of obviously that
speaks to the head coach and that the hierarchy and
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the chain of command there. But what about that story
and how's that impacting the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Yeah, we absolutely ran without a bunch. When Michael Penis
was at a press conference and said, you know, he
turns the high school coaches and he talks to his
fiance and everything else. Look, I watch as many of
these games as intently as anybody else. I have seen
a full disconnect on the sideline. Remember at the beginning
of the year, Zach Robinson was in the booth and
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then they go, well, it's not working. They fired the
wide receiver coach and Ike Hilliard and then they said,
all right, we're going to put Zach Robinson on the
field and that's going to fix it all. And I
actually played really well against Buffalo on a Monday night
where they win a game twenty eight to fourteen. But
that was the game. I think it was twenty one
to nothing early and then the second half the offense
really really struggled. And then the rest of the time
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the offense has struggled. And it doesn't feel like Michael
Pennix really has anybody over there. I don't think him
and Kirk Cousins were ever that close. I don't think
Kirk Cousins really gave a damn about helping out a
guy that he felt like took his job anyway. I
don't think Zach Robinson's cut out to be an offensive
coordinator in this league, judging by the fact that we
ran more pistol than anybody else in the league and
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the fact that as soon as Kirk Cousins came in
at quarterbacks, suddenly we start going under center and suddenly
the play action passes working. Now we're hearing that maybe
Michael Pennis is incapable of taking the ball from under center.
I've called that out because I saw games that you
dub and I get it. He was in the shotgun
a lot under Ryan Grubb, but there were times he
got under center and he could run play action that
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was fine. I think they're just a dysfunctional mess, and
unfortunately for Michael, he's one that's caught up in the
mix of bad coaching, a terrible organization right now, and
basically we're the Jets of the South.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
I wish John was a little more opinionated, Hugh, don't
you think you know?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
He's just so much so milk toast with his takes. John,
Michael's joining us six eight to the fan in Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
John, let me be glass half full. Falcons guy.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
For a second, Hey, John, if a couple of plays
go differently in the last month, this team six and
six are seven and five. I mean they got a
plus one point differential in the last five games, and
yet they're one and four in those games. So is
this a six and six team masquerading as a four
and eight team? And why aren't they closing these games
that are so close in the end.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna steal the quote. You are
what your record says you are. Should they be better? Absolutely?
You've got a stud in Vijon Robinson when healthy. Drake
London is a stud. I think the two kids you
drafted on the defensive front this year in James Pierce
Junior and Jalen Walker, can be really good. They've got
pieces where they should be better. The problem is when
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you lose a lot of close games, you start to
look at different places and immediately I'm going to look
on the sidelines with Raheem Morris. Normally I would give
a team the benefit of the doubt. You know, hey,
we did lose a bunch of close games early in
the year. You lose a late game to Tampa that
you had chances to win, but this is going to
be eight straight years the Falcons have finished below five
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hundred and not make the postseason. If the Seahawks beat
them on Sunday, they're eliminated from the postseason, which is
going to mean we turn our attention to Georgia football
and we start looking ahead to the Braves. And I
don't think anybody that has an NFL team in their
city wants to be doing that with four or five
weeks left in the season, So, you know, I'd love
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to have the glass half full with them. Unfortunately, you know,
I did sidelines for the team all the way through
the twenty tour through the twenty nineteen season. They have
not made the postseason since then. They haven't been particularly
close since then. And I don't know that they're just
a magic you know, kind of snap the fingers and
we're going to make up for everything that's happened over
the past year. So now they are what they are,
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they're a way below five hundred team. I fully expect
them to get their bus whip this year this week,
and there's going to be a lot of the twelfth
Man inside Mercedes Benz Stadium because I think Falcon fans
will be their Sackaturday for the SEC Championship game, and
Sunday will be at home, probably sitting watching the Selection show,
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cooking some wings and not really paying attention to the
NFL product.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Well, John, give us a breakdown maybe on each side
of the ball. Offensively, the Falcons you mentioned Beson Robinson
number one by a good margin in use of the
outside zone, which was so celebrated with the arrival of
Clint Kubiak. Here, we're going to see a lot of that.
Drake London's out, You mentioned the piece more under center
as opposed to pistol. Just kind of what do you
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see from the Falcon offense that Seattle defensively should be
concerned with.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
You know, the one thing they did a couple of
weeks ago, and a lot of it has to do
with Drake one and not being there. They went a
ton of thirteen personnel in the game that they won
against the Saints, so they're going to go three tight
run the football, play action pass. Unfortunately, and you know
I'm around the team, I don't know who has to
damn Widers are Darnell Mooney has been a super disappointment
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this year. Got hurt there in training camp. He can't
catch the ball. He's not getting open the way that
he has. The other guys are basically free agent type
receivers that they're having to try it out there. So
Kyle Pitts, you know, if there is kind of a
slender of positivity, the former fourth overall pick has had
a solid year this year. Kirk Cousins can't move. He's
a statue back there. So it's literally going to be
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if Seattle can stop Dijon and Tyler Algiar and Tyler
Algiers is a monster backup running back, the Falcons are
going to have a hard time getting to twenty points.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
How about on the other side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I mean, this has been a Seahawk offense that really
hasn't had to do much the last few weeks. But
when they have had to do much, they Sam Darnold
has been hot and cold, we'll say, after his brilliant
first two months. So is this a Falcons d that
could give Seattle's offense problems?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, if nothing else. You know, the Falcon for really
the better part of their franchise history, just couldn't sack
the quarterback. I mean, it was the most amazing thing.
You'd watch like, how the hell are you getting eighteen
SATs a year? We went like a five week stretch
where we had five sacks or more. So, if there
is something that new defensive coordinator Jeff Obert's going to
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do really well and Seattle needs to worry about, the
Falcons will pressure the quarterback. I mentioned the two young
edge guys. They've got a kid inside that played at Oregon,
Brandon Dorles, who's played really well so far for us.
On the interior, you know, you throw in Leonard Floyd
kden Ellis at linebacker, getting divine Diablo back is a
guy that really could run sideline the sideline and hit
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you and make plays. I think they've done well there.
And then in the secondary they kind of had a
revelation with a young kid, Zavie will Watch, who they
drafted out of Notre Dame. Put him next to Jesse
Bates at safety. Like the defense has been good and
in other years, like we thought this offense was going
to be pretty solid. This year, the Falcons would have
been a team you looked up and go, all right,
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they might be on the sum So Seattle's got to
be careful. Look on third down. If you're in third
and five or more, the Falcons are bringing people. It's
not going to be a four man rushing. They're gonna
hate him up with five, six, sometimes seven people, and
they're going to look to get a Sam Donald on
the ground.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Final moments with John Michael's discussing the Falcons and and
and my question would be, just from an overview about
the Psyche, where are the Falcons?
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (13:21):
As you said, a game away from elimination, it appears
that Raheem Morris is a dead man walking. I know
from having played for the Falcons for three years that
you know it can be a little bit of a
apathy and maybe malaise. You know when things get this way.
Is it hard for the Falcons to get motivated this Sunday?
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We know they can. You know that Buffalo game kind
of gets my attention that you do. You described that,
But but where do you think the Falcons are from
a mindset standpoint as they host the Seahawks Sunday?
Speaker 8 (13:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Team wise, I'm sure they're still motivating. That's the thing
about Raheem Morris that sucks. He's actually really well liked
inside the locker room. He's an unbelievable players. Coach. I
just don't know how much accountability the team has. I mean,
I've watched guys to make mistakes and they trot back
out there. I've seen systems, you know, where they just
continue to run the same thing over and over again.
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I don't know what the accountability is. I can tell
you for the fans there as a we don't give
a damn anymore. Like I fell asleep in the third
quarter of the game against the Jets. It was so threatned,
so boring. And you know, I use the Saints game
for an example, like that's our mortal enemy. Like that
is absolute hatred, probably how you guys feel about forty
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nine ers. You don't miss the game. Ever, that same
Fountains game had so little buzz, and I know it
was in New Orleans, but it had so little buzz
that people don't care. And I'm gonna tell you you're
really be lucky to see forty thousand people inside this building.
I challenge you guys, watch the SEC Championship game Saturday
and listen to how loud that place is and watch
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the passion, and then you guys will obviously watch the
game Sunday. It is going to be a complete one
to eighty. It's going to be a dead man, a
dead environment. Fans don't care. People are already talking about Hey,
vote with your wallet and don't show up. Apathy is
probably the best word for the fan base.
Speaker 9 (15:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
I know there's guys in this on this team that
are fighting for jobs and careers, but I don't think
it's going to matter. I think they get eliminated from
the playoffs Sunday, and like I said, we'll be watching
for the college football playoffs and turn our attention to
something that's going to make us happy before the Christmas holidays.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Well, there we go. That sounds like a good weekend.
The Canes make the play the playoff and then the
Seahawks hammer the Falcons.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
So you're happy.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
We're happy because you don't care much about the Falcons
anyway and what.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
They do the rest of the year. And we're all good.
So thanks John, we appreciate it. Man, have a good weekend.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Hey anytime.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Thanks guys, John Michaels.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And you know, we've been very fortunate in this town
for a long time, but really particularly this year.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
I mean he talked about apathy.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
There's a lot of Major League Baseball cities that have
a hell of a lot of appathy.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
For six months, we were not one of them.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
There are quite a few NFL cities that have big
time apathy for their NFL team.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
We are not one of them.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
So let's embrace it while we got it. When we
come back, big breaking news in college football. Should I
just let the cat out of the bag.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
Right now, Jackson, Let's just tease it as a major,
potentially minor now university in the state is going to
have to look for a new coach because, oh my god,
the trickle down in college football has happening.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It is happening. We'll talk about next on ninety three
point three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
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Speaker 2 (16:52):
Well less than three hundred and sixty five days ago,
Jimmy Rodgers became the new head football coach at Washington
State University, and now here we are less than a
year later and he is moving on. According to Pete Thammel,
Jimmy Rodgers set to become the next head coach at
Iowa State. So what thirty nine years after Jim Walden
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does the exact same thing and goes from Washington State
University to Iowa State. Jimmy Rodgers is doing you? Your
first thoughts you of Jimmy Rodgers moving off to after
one one season?
Speaker 7 (17:30):
My first thoughts, I don't know how many more kicks
in the groin that Cougars can get I can imagine.
I mean, we all have, you know, countless friends that
are Cougar's and they are just as passionate about Washington
State football as we are about Washington football. And you know,
I feel bad for him. Look your competitors on the field.
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You know, I have no love loss for Washington State
when you're playing him in the game. But on matter
such as this boy, I would just say I feel
sadness first and foremost for presuming that they wanted him,
and they feel like this is a blow to their program.
They've taken a lot of them.
Speaker 10 (18:13):
I know we're gonna get Ian fronessan from the Cooper
perspective in a few minutes, and it's one of those
things where they're for a husky fans like like us.
I think there's definitely two minds about it. It's it's
you just feel so bad like they are kind of,
you know, for lack of a better term, they are
a little brother, and when your little brother gets knocked down,
you know it, it sucks, and I feel for them
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as still a rival. It's sort of like there's a
little bit of seannenfreude where it's like, man, like that sucks,
but that sucks for you, Glad it's not me at
the end of the day. Like I think the overwhelming
feeling instantaneously is the first one where it is you
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hate to see something happen to family, and you know
we're no longer like in the same conferences then they are.
There are a little brother and boy, I mean our
little brother right now is getting their ass kicked over
and over and over and it sucks to watch.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Yeah, I'm kind of with Hugh and it's it's just
enough is enough?
Speaker 8 (19:14):
Right?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I mean, it's not it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Gives it like it used to give me joy when
bad things happen to the Kougs. It doesn't give me
joy anymore. It's like I don't get joy when watching
the Cougs lose or lose their coach or get kicked
out of a conference.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
Like it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
It's like, like Hugh said, and enough is enough. And
what's interesting is we spend you know, we spent a
bunch of time talking about the disparity with the Huskies
between how they played against the worst teams versus the
best teams. You want to know, the complete opposite in
college football this year was the Washington State Cougars. They
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played some of their worst football against the crappiest teams
they played. They barely beat Idaho, a four and eight
Big Sky team at home. They beat him thirteen to ten,
and I believe they had to come back to win
that game. They lost to Oregon State ten to seven.
Oregon State was miserable this season, and yet at fourth ranked,
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Old Miss goes down to the wire. At eighteenth rank, Virginia,
a team playing for the college football playoffs, goes down.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
To the wire. They lose by two.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
At twenty fifth rank, James Madison, who's playing for a
conference championship right now, goes down to the wire. They
lose by four points. I mean, Jimmy Rodgers coached his
best in the biggest moments of the season.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Well indeed, and obviously you felt like they were on
the incline, and then they got the revenge game against
the Beafs. But I think that some of this, the
elements to these issues that have hit college football are
the themes are just so oh substantive and seemingly transcend sports.
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For example, team sports. This has been going on a
long time. Where's the player's role and a coach, you know,
and in this case of coaches role, where you have
individual goals but then around a team construct. And why
did the Pac twelve break up? Because USC and UCLA
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finally started thinking like Notre Dame and said, hey, what's
in it for us? I'm tired of being a socialist
here in a capitalist, free market system. And so I
think there's just themes that seem to transcend sports. But
I don't know, let me know what Ian's on you.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Yeah, he's ready to go.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
And I think there's a lot of Cougar fans out
there listening that probably don't want to hear a couple
of Huskies talk about the Cougars losing their head coach
to Iowa State, so we thought we'd actually bring the
head koog on at least headko Get this radio station,
Ian Fornest joining us right now. Ian, your thoughts on
Jimmy Rodgers after one season of what I thought was
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a pretty darn good job at Washington State moving on
to Iowa State.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
Wait a second, I thought we were talking Seattle politics.
I thought we were talking about our new mayor. I
heard socialism talk coming up. I hear I heard something
about socialism. I go, I will be talking about mayor
Katie there.
Speaker 11 (22:25):
What are you doing? What's going on?
Speaker 9 (22:28):
God?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 11 (22:29):
I mean college football sucks.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
I mean that's my favorite sport, to be honest with you,
like in terms of just being a fan, it's my
favorite sport.
Speaker 11 (22:37):
I love it. It sucks.
Speaker 9 (22:39):
Calendar screwed up everything about It's messed up right now,
They've got to fix the calendar. This is exactly why
you have forty eight hours removed from a recruiting cycle
and a signing day situation, and a coach leaves not
just here, but a coach leaves Iowa State, right, So like, like,
I mean, it's not just that I mean I would
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state it will be fine.
Speaker 11 (23:01):
They get Jimmy, I guess if they like to lose
games late, they'll be okay.
Speaker 9 (23:04):
But you know, he's got the Jake Dickard DNA and
don't even though they didn't coach together. But no, I mean,
it's just it's it's disappointing. We don't have an athletic
director over there right now. Hell, we didn't have enough
athletic director before the guy went to wherever he's at
right now. I mean he fell asleep at the wheel
with Kyle Smith. We did not for an extension and
and then now we don't have an athletic director that
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that could have at least like you know, got involved.
Maybe with Jimmy Rodgers, probably not. I mean, you're going
to the Big twelve, you're going to a power for conference school.
Speaker 11 (23:37):
But yeah, it's just just disappointing. Man, it's just just
massively disappointing two years in a row, losing a head coach.
Speaker 9 (23:44):
And it's amazing that six and six and mediocrity and
average gets you a promotion in today's world.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
I need to find a career that gives us that.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Yeah, well, I'm curious from your perspective in the search
for a coach, Is there any way that you can
kind of try and and meet out, uh, you know,
those who are likely to be more loyal and stay
versus those that are that are eager to climb in
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this regard. I mean, do you think that that the
Cougar brain trusts and those responsible for this are are shocked,
they're surprised, or was this something Okay, we we kind
of in our mind we're ready for this, and whether
it happened this year or the next year, we're just
gonna roll on to the next guy. I mean, what's
the strategy moving forward here?
Speaker 11 (24:36):
This is stunning.
Speaker 9 (24:37):
This is a guy that was at South Dakota State
as a player, as a grad assistant, as a head coach. Uh,
small town guy felt like he said what Pullman was
was there for one year? The thought would be listen
and a couple of two or I just had this
conversation with Alex Brink the other day, like this is
a this is a guy that you just fits everything
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you think would be.
Speaker 11 (24:58):
Pullman and small school land Grant School, and he.
Speaker 9 (25:02):
Would be there for a few years and you know
what when he leaves at some point Alex had a
great point. At some point, every coach leaves unless you're
at probably now Ohio State and Alabama, I don't know
anyplace else. I mean, you guys went to the dam
National Championship game and your coach left, Like every coach leaves,
you live with that every coach leaves. But this is
a guy that fits the mo of staying in a
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place that is, you know, everything that he's kind of about.
So when he leaves in three or four years, hell,
we probably won the pack the new Pac twelve title,
a couple two, two or three times things are good
and he leaves. You know, this is just a case
of a guy. He's there for one year. The athletic
director that hired him is no longer there. She got fired.
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They don't have an athletic director. There's a lack of
leadership there right now in the athletic department. Now, I
love our new president, by the way, President Cantwell. She
is a ball buster and I like her, but she's
got a big job to do. But with no athletic
director in place. And it's here's craziness is though Matt
Campbell took that job four hours.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
Ago at Penn state.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
Yeah, he took that job.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
Like, I've never had a job where I interviewed and
was hired within two or three hours?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Have you known?
Speaker 9 (26:13):
And I certainly never had a job where I got
hired two or three hours later and it was making
seven figures. So like, that's how, that's how screwed up
this world is that we're living in right now with
college football and he do it. I don't know, man,
I can't. I can't relate to it because you know,
and you guys both know me I and I think
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you guys follow in the same category. I'm a little
bit loyal, and I think I couldn't do that to
kids like you just signed kids forty eight hours ago, man,
forty eight hours ago. And those kids you signed, those
kids aren't going to a power Fork school, right, They're
all two and three star guys.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yep, yep. They're not making a million dollars next year.
Speaker 11 (26:57):
No, And so but I get it. He's doing it
for his family to make money. Good.
Speaker 9 (27:01):
Go go go, Jimmy. You know, Jimmy, go. Do you
what really screwed us last year? To be honest with you, well,
I'll go back. Basketball killed us. A couple of years ago,
Kyle Smith takes a team to the tournament. Never once
was the athletic director. That's no longer our school, and
he might be somewhere else.
Speaker 11 (27:15):
Dick you might know who he is.
Speaker 9 (27:17):
Never once did that guy offer him a contract extension
to even even just offer it to him, say hey, listen,
you can sign it and get out, but at least
we'll protect the school and get money on the backside, right,
I have a buyout. Never once did that happen. So
we had that guy fall asleep at the wheel there.
Now we lose an athletic director. Last year or this year.
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They fired Anne McCoy, which is fine, she we.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
Needed to upgrade in that regard. I get its fundraising thing.
But with no athletic director in place, this happens today.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
And oh, by the way, last year, when Jake Dickard left,
he even though he was interviewing during the bye week
in October with Wake Forest when their coach announced he
wasn't coming back. Even though he did that fundamentally quit
on the team. As it our buckle and I hope
Oklahoma is enjoying how their offense with him and my
tier looking right now. But even though those guys did that.
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We we waited because Dicker didn't get the job or
take the job until after the Idaho coach Jason Eck
had already taken the job at New Mexico in a
week or two later. He's got Jason Eck was the
perfect coach for Pullman, perfect coach.
Speaker 11 (28:21):
And look what he's.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
In in New Mexico this year. And they missed that
on that. Now, maybe you go get him this year.
Maybe you could go do that because it's here's a
funny thing. There's unless again you're Alabama, Ohiose State, there's
always a step up, right, and the Mountain West without
Boise State and everybody else, you're.
Speaker 11 (28:37):
A wor a step up.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
But I don't know, man, It's it's just I'm disappointed
college football. I'm I'm just disappointed in the calendar. Fix it,
sak it up like the NFL did. The great philosopher
soft He had had the perfect answer, and others have to.
Just you don't need springs football. You and I, you
and I talk brother's on Monday. You know spring football.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
I The calendar wouldn't have helped you on this one.
Speaker 9 (29:08):
No, here's the thing. What would have helped though, is
is if if the situation of recruiting and and all that, yes,
that would have that would have been different, right in
the portal and everything, Like you.
Speaker 11 (29:20):
Screw the kids in the process.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
Guys, you're screwing the kids, not just not just us
as fans, just screwing the kids. I always stay screwed.
Our guys are screwed. Whoever Wazoo gets their kids are screwed.
And you know, like like I don't think we should
play in a bowl game, Like why.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Yeah, would playing a blame at this point?
Speaker 9 (29:39):
Well it would be two years in row playing with
an infim coach, Like why would you even do that?
So yeah, it's just it's it's what a world we
live in, man. I I I belong to the days
along to the days of you know, Don James and
Terry Donna Hue and those guys saying at their schools
forever on the West Coast, you and along for those days. I.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I know it's not the way you wanted to start
your weekend. We appreciate you coming on though, and I
will leave you with a little chuckle that Jackson just
let me know that. In the press release, Iowa State
spelled Jimmy Rodgers name wrong.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
So there you there you go. That that gives.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Eddy He's solace.
Speaker 11 (30:18):
Iowa State is known as the Harvard of the Prairie.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yes it is, Yes it is.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
Thanks, not surprised.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
Thanks, we're the Harvard. We're the Harvard of the police,
but they're the Harvard of the Prairie.
Speaker 11 (30:30):
So well done. And you know what, Jimmy, screw you.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Thanks man, that's the inferness. Oh man, we got it.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
We got to talk to Ian every year when his
coach leaves. It's unbelievable. Last year with Dickert, this year,
now with Jimmy Rodgers going to Iowa State. Fun with
Audio coming up next.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
It's now time for something in Digg's Fun with Audio.
Speaker 12 (30:52):
Jimmy ga Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Now let's have some fun with audio. Oh, welcome back,
welcome back here until seven.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Our chat with Rick new Heisl come up in about
thirty minutes. We'll talk to him about the lane kiff
and move the evaluation of the Husky football season. As
Rick a proponent of the Big Ten Football playoff weekend
that could have happened this week had the rules been
in place. All that Todd Millis will join us final
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segment of the show leading up to high school football
tonight on nine to fifty, kJ Ram Mike Benton will
have the call of Mount Tahome against Ode in the
three A State Championship. I'll have the call tomorrow with
Chris Kidd in the four A State Championship between Lake
Stevens and Summer.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
But it's time now for a little bit of fun
with audio. Hey did you hear that? Hey, Hugh, did
you hear that? What's that?
Speaker 11 (31:51):
Dick?
Speaker 10 (31:53):
I hear the.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
What's going on there?
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Comeback there?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
You?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
Oh, I'm trying to face on you, ad. I'm like
Sam Darnold in the pocket.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
Man, I can't keep two hands on the ball.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Last night, after the Cowboys lost in the Lions on
Thursday Night Football, Amazon Prime analyst Richard Sherman ripped Dallas
receiver George Pickens for his effort.
Speaker 12 (32:18):
Bunch pickings throughout the game and especially late in the game,
just looked terested, uninterested in playing football, you know. And
that's what you can't have if you're gonna be a superstar,
if you want to be the best receiver in the
National Football League, you can ever be disengaged. It doesn't
matter if the game is going your way or not
going your way. You can't just disappear in these games
or else you're not going to have impact. And just
right here, cruising cruising routes, you're the guy. You're the guy.
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Ceedee Lama's not in this game. He's out and you
get intercepted on your slant routes and you can't be
the guy in half assid. I'm sorry, it's just you can't.
It's unacceptable. And if you're the Dallas Cowboys and you're
looking at him and you're looking to pay him big
time receiver money forty million dollars, you gotta look at
this state and say, hey, is this a guy we
can trust paying forty million dollars to show up regardless
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of circumstance.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
There are some guys that can rip other players and
they have legitimate legs to stand on. I think Richard
Sherman's one of those, because I don't ever remember Richard
Sherman dog in a play.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
I think Richard Sherman played hard.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Sometimes he would yawn because he was so bored over
on one side that nobody could get open but I
don't ever remember him dogging to play Hugh.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
Nor do I, and I agree with every word he said.
He speaks the truth. I mean, from a cowboy perspective,
this guy pickens, I mean the idea that he would
pass ceedee lamb. But then you want to know the
character of your highest paid players because the young guys
are going to look up to them. Your best players
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are always your leaders. People think of the word leadership
a leader, and it has a positive connotation. Oh he's
a leader. Oh You'll just think, oh, that must be
he's a good leader. No, the best players are leaders,
and there are sometimes they are negative leaders and they
bring the room down. I'm not saying that he fits
that category, but Richard Sherman is right that the Cowboys
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need to dive deep into that to say, hey, could
this be infectious? I mean, I played with the Cowboys
with Michael Irvin, who's the hardest working player was around,
and he had incredible impact on the entire locker room
because of that work ethics. So I think Richard Sherman
nailed that.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Heyhu, do you hear that? What's that did?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
ESPN's Chris Fowler joined Dan Patrick for an interview this
week and insisted that his network with the Big four
Letters plays no part in the college football selection process
and getting to the big getting the biggest brands into
the bracket.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
How much does brand play in this?
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Do you think in the minds of the committee that
Notre Dame's brand?
Speaker 11 (34:51):
How important is that?
Speaker 6 (34:53):
He asked your viewers. They would say, it's everything. I mean,
the ESPN's pulling the strings. We went the biggest brands.
I promise you we have played no part in that.
And I don't know in the committee's mind if it
plays a part. People just sort of assume that Notre
Dame is an elite program. When they have ten wins,
it must be a really great team.
Speaker 11 (35:10):
But I think you'd have to.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Go member my member and and really get them to
give them some truth serum and ask them if it matters.
You're never gonna like dissuade the conspiracy theorists because they're everywhere.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Yeah, I think that's a fair response.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I think we all want to believe that, you know,
big bad ESPN has got all the control over everything.
But you know, honestly, if it was all about the
big brands, would sm you been the eleven Seed instead
of Alabama last year.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
No, they would. It was if it was ESPN pulling
the sprint strings.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Alabama would have played Penn State in the first round
last year instead of SMU play in Penn State. And
you know what, I thought Alabama should have played Penn
State because I know I knew before the game they
would give Penn State a better game. And guess what
they would SMU lost thirty eight to ten. Hugh.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
Yeah, No, I agree with you, And I think if
you said, Okay, I'm going to operate from the premise
I know that there is a conspiracy and then look
for evidence to support that theory, you could find it
if you. On the on the other hand, if you say, okay,
this is my hypothesis there is no conspiracy, then you
can find evidence for that. I would just say that
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conspiracy means two or more people involved in the action.
And so how are they communicating? Are there emails? You
tell me that that there could never be a leaked email?
Or is there texts? There could never be leaked text
Are there private conversation, Well, everybody's got a recording device
in their pocket. No spoken word ever was communicated, or
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or is it just something that they telepathically know, well,
this is what's best, you know. I just I would
have to be presented with evidence that works with that
challenge before I'm going to read that there's a conspiracy.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Top of the our headlines coming up.
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