December 9, 2025 • 28 mins
In the first hour, Dick Fain and Hugh Millen discuss contenders in the NFL after the LA Chargers win over the Eagles yesterday, the possible teams to take over the KC Chiefs dynasty if they miss the playoffs this year, then listen and react to some Fun with Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Just dreadful Monday night football game.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I know you had a function last night, So did
you even even watch any of the of the money.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I watched some of it. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (00:08):
I didn't catch all of it, but I'm aware of
the calamity that was.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hurts.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Yes, my family knows I have this. I really like
Jalen Hurts the person that this is very unique for me.
I really like him. He was an elite eleven counselor.
When my kid was down there, my kid raised about
the person he is. At all accounts, he's had very little,
uh scathing in that regard. But I cannot stand the quarterback.
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It is just it's like watching a high school quarterback.
You watch their offense and it is so scaled down.
I mean, it looks like a high school offense. You know,
it's either a go route up the sideline or it's
you know, something in the flat. You know, there's very
little complexity to the reads. And and while he's an
athletic quarterback, just think think about this. If Dalen Hurts
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had to win a job in the NFL as a halfback, Okay,
got me. I just want to imagine take off his number,
what's his number two. I'm terrible numbers, Jackson, what numbers?
Jalen hurts, I.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Am the worst person with numbers.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
So one's question, whatever he is, So now make him
number thirty one or number thirty one, number one?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
All right?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
So so now he's number thirty one. He's trying to
be a running back. Do you think how how long
do you think he would last in an NFL camp
if he was trying to make the team as a runner.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Oh, he's not fast and he doesn't have moves, So
I'd say a day he'd be in the first cuts.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, in the first cut mini camps.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yes, right, So he's not a great runner by running
back stand In fact, he's a very by running back standards,
he would be he'd be horrible. So but you watch
him run and it's like.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Is it entertaining? No?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I mean he's I guess he's strong, but you know
he's not terribly elusive. You're not done to that great burst.
And so I don't know when you pair that with
a high school offense, I don't know his quarterbacking just
is it sets football back a long way?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It does?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And those I'm just watching those two teams and I
felt the same way during Thanksgiving weekend, and all those
games that we all watched, right the three on Thursday,
the one on Friday, and then the one game last time,
they were almost all of them, maybe all of them
included teams that were seen as either potential deep playoff
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run teams or teams like the Ravens and even the
Bengals with Joe Burrow and the Chiefs, teams that we thought, okay, sneaky,
sneaky teams. Be careful, right, be careful. These teams could
come and bite you and get into and get into
the playoffs. So there was really no dogs playing in
any of these games. And yet the gap I see
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between the Seahawks and the Rams, and to point, and
I agree with him that you can probably throw the
Packers in that. The gap that I'm seeing now between
those three teams and the rest of the league seems
to be growing exponentially. Because I remember saying on the
air a month ago, it's like, man, who's a who's
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the best team in the NFL. I don't know who
are the top five teams. I don't know who's the
top ten teams. There could be thirteen teams that play
in the Super Bowl this year, like we were just
all talking about this great parody. But what I've seen
over the last month is the parody's starting to thin
out now and like we're separating the week from the chaff.
Are you seeing that as well in the NFL the
last month?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Well, I just think that as you go along, obviously,
injuries take take their toll in a big way for
some teams. And you just expect a team that has
back in September, if they had a one in six
chance based on how good they were, they had a
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one and six chance of just having a turd. Well,
four or five games into it, there's a good chance
you haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
But after you've played twelve.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Fourteen games, you know, you know the Rams at Carolina,
Who on earth could have ever foreseen that?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Right? And you know there.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
But now, what is typical is that there's a the
hottest team in September, Buffalo, the Colts right, and then
they right, and then that their wave runs out, and
then somebody else rides a wave and h and then
you're you're looking at those teams in October and and
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and so I think it's very unusual for a team
to be good enough to be thought of as at
the peak for four straight months.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We rarely see that, and I mean there's there's occasionally
those years where you got a team that goes you know,
old school sixteen games, team that goes fourteen and two,
and we're like, okay, this is clearly. We've had years
where it's like, oh, greatest on turf. You know, yeah,
they're the best team in the NFL all season long.
But to your point and yeah, but but you're right,
especially recently, there's been even the Chiefs dynasty quote unquote
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over the last five or six years, they've had seasons
where they were like seven and five after twelve games,
three and three after six games. There's been times where
they've had to you know, peak at the right time.
And I think about that's probably we're gonna have to
see this year, is we have to see a team
peak at the right time to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
How about Tampa Bay?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I mean, great in September.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
And Baker Mayfield was the odds on for the MVP.
How far has he fallen off of that? So we've
just we've seen this. I think this is typical. I
actually think it's very typical what we're seeing now. You
just don't know which teams are going to be the teams.
But but you know the older teams. The Commanders are
the oldest team in the NFL. Not surprising that they've
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fallen off. Detroit has made and some coaching attrition and
and so you know, the younger teams.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Denver.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Hell, I put I bet one team on the over
this season back prior to the season. One team Denver,
and it was Denver. And because a Sean Payton and
a second year quarterback just no the defense, the defense awesome,
that they had like a treacherous pass rush that nobody
was talking about. And and so actually Softy owes me
(06:24):
money because he was the one he was my book.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
On that.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
But but but yeah, you know, I just think that
the young teams, Uh now, the Raiders are surprise.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Massive surprise to me. That's really the biggest negative surprise
of the year for me.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I thought they win. I thought they'd win eight games.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I thought they'd be I thought they would be competitive,
they would play Pete Carroll competitive football. Every game would
be within six points, and they'd win eight and they'd
lose nine. I mean That's how I thought the rais.
They've just been dreadful. I don't understand why. I mean,
ginos are one reason, but not the only reason.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
No, No, they their offensive line is very poor, terrible. Yeah,
and I think their defense, other than their left hand
is is just kind of average.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So but they were thought to be better, no question.
And you know I'm looking now. I kind of tiered these.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I put kind of three tiers together of teams that
I all thought, Okay, if I tilted my head right
and all things go right for this team, I could
see these teams participating in the Super Bowl. I mean
Tier one's the favorites, and I've just got I've only
got three, and they're all from the NFC, LA, Seattle,
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and Green Bay in that order, and that order could
change on a week by week basis. The next tier,
like the contenders. Somebody's got to go out of the AFC.
I still think Buffalo's better.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Than New England.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I cannot wait for that football game this Sunday. That
is going to be the one that I watch most intently,
other than obviously the Seahawks game. But the non Seahawk
game I'm watching ten is Buffalo New England, then the
Denver Broncos that you spoke of, and Detroit. I kind
of have those on that like contenders list, and then
tier three Chicago, San Francisco. I think Houston is really
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intriguing because if you just wanted to make a list
of that, you tell me the teams have been the
best teams in the NFL the last two months.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Houston has to be on that list absolutely, so.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Their defense is arguably the best. I mean, if the
Seahawks aren't the best defense, then Houston the then Houston
right there in Denver. Yeah, but I think I think Houston,
given that their offense has played poorly and you know
they they're missing their quarterback, I think what Houston has
done has been immensely uh impressive. Is there any you know,
(08:49):
go ahead, you know you mentioned green Bay and green
Bay is interesting to me. You know, they make the
move for Parsons obviously feeling like okay, this is go time,
and they feel like they have the other parts. And
by the way they're they are the youngest team in
the NFL at least going into the season. I know
the Shows are very young, and whether uh, I know
they're in the top five and somebody I heard say
(09:11):
they're the second youngest. But but getting back to Green Bay,
I have looked at Jordan Love and he's kind of
intrigued me. Sometimes he hasn't really answered the bell in
the clutch, and sometimes he has. He's kind of been
really up and down. Sometimes he just he's incredible. But
he has a style of quarterbacking that's very unique. He
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does not have a strong arm, but nor did Joe Montana,
nor Steve young so in Green Bay where Aaron Rodgers
and Brett Farv had these just absolute hoses exactly, you know,
but you got to spin the ball in win for sure.
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And and Jordan lev does have a tight spiral, but
he does not have great velocity. And he has a
way of quarterback And I've seen it enough that now
I'm bringing it to the airwaves. If you watched a
lot of Packers, you'll know what I'm talking about. He
has a way of in the face of pressure, he
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will drift back and kind of throw off his back
foot and kind of lob the ball out deep down
the field. And he puts a lot of touch on
the ball. But mann does he have accuracy. And one
of the things he had to touchdown. The other night,
where the post route is taking at a certain angle
the receivers on the left, he goes down, he runs.
Let's say he's running right down the middle of the goalpost.
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But what what you and I coached high school quarterbacks
and you're taught it's not terribly intuitive, but you want
to flatten the receiver so that his angle is going high.
Let's say on an analog clock, he's going at one o'clock.
Got me yep, from the middle of a clock, So
he's at that angle. The cornerback is going to mirror
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that angle. He has to because he's covering it. So
both guys are going at one o'clock. But what Jordan
Love will do is he'll throw it at two o'clock,
so that now when the receiver looks up, he can
the ball is flattening. But there's what we call a
bubble separation where the corner takes Neurologically, he's gonna be
just a little bit later to react right then he's
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got a flatten as well, but that little split second
is enough to get the separation. Jordan Love has this ability.
What's the takeaway? He can backpedal and just kind of
lob it up, but he lobs it into an area
and man and man, you don't have to worry about
somebody falling off, so you can almost lob it as
high as you want. But he just kind of lobs
it out there. But he leads the guy. He makes
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the receiver go to the right place at the right angle.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
And so so.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I'm up and down with him as to whether or
not he's, you know, truly a super Bowl winning quarterback.
He's got a great team around him. He's got a
young team around him. That's why they went all in
on Mike Parsons. But yes, they're dangerous there. Their ceiling
is exceedingly high.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
No question.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And you know, another thing, and we'll take a quick
time out and talk about this when we come back.
Another thing we saw last night was and Jackson I
talked about it a little bit before you or after
you left the show, yesterday was the end of a dynasty.
I think that Charger win last night brought the official
end to the Chiefs dynasty.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And we'll talk about.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, Charger chat.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, the Chargers win last night. Oh, Chiefs needed the
Chargers to lose last night. They are three full games
behind the Chargers. We'll talk about is there a dynasty
out there to fill the void? We'll talk about that
next on ninety three point three KJRFF.
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Speaker 1 (13:02):
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Speaker 1 (13:14):
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I saw him at the at the Huskies today. We
got a chance to talk to some of the coaches.
You'll hear my conversation with Ryan Walters a little bit
later on.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
In the show.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Today we'll be doing the pre half and post for
the l Able.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
A lot of Husky talk a little bit later on.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
The show, but I want to keep rolling with this
NFL topic. We were talking about some of the great
teams in the league, Hugh and kind of the gap
between the elite and the not quite elite.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And then the dynasty question comes up.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And it's funny because I took a look at this
today and I went through all the Super Bowls and really,
with very few exceptions, there has been a dining almost
the entirety of the Super Bowl era. You started with
Green Bay and Lombardi, Miami with Shula, Pittsburgh with Noel,
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San Francisco with Wallston, Seaford, Dallas with Johnson and Switzer.
Denver then wins two in a row, not really a dynasty,
but Denver did win two in a row. And then
you've got two separate New England eras. You've got the
Young Brady era, and then you've got the Old Brady era,
and then you've got the Chiefs. You mean, the only
runs of actual parody in the league where you didn't
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have dynasty. The only time you didn't have it was
really with nineteen ninety seven two thousand and three, although
you did have the two Denver titles in there. But
I don't consider Denver a dynasty because they didn't go
to any other Super Bowls. And then the era when
the Hawks went to three Super Bowls. Two thousand and
five to twenty fourteen season, Hawks go to three title games,
win one. Patriots made three title games, but nobody won
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multiple So there really was isn't any dynasty during that time,
and so I think most of us think, well, dynasties
kind of come.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
And go, and they don't.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
They're not really all that prevalent, when the fact of
the matter is, it's far more prevalent, Hugh to have
a dynasty in the NFL than it is not to
have a dynasty in the NFL. So that leads me
to the question, Okay, if the Chiefs are done, which
I think we all believe now that they are, that
is a broken football team.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Where do we go from here?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
What teams are bubbling at the surface to potentially be
the team of the second half of this decade.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Well, the team that really is intriguing to me in
that regard is the Eagles, because setting aside my comments
about Hurts, what's the rest of their team.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Let's just go back a year ago.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
They were PFF number one offensive line in football, and
that's after Kelsey had retired. They had Saquon Barkley. They
were PFF's number one tandem of receivers Smith with Brown
yees yeah right, Devontae.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Defensively, they were they had the best defensive line, so
they had both the best defensive line and the best
offensive line. And their secondary had been week the year before,
and in twenty twenty three they went first round draft
pick and second round draft pick Cooper Dezine and whoever
else the corner was. So they like they instantly upgraded
their their secondary. And then you know, when they thought
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they had a little pass rush issue, they give a
third round pick to uh, who's a kid from Miami
from UCLA number fifteen defensive end. Whatever they at the
trade deadline, they use a third round draft pick. Maybe
you can help me, Jackson. And so this Howie Rose
Mayland Phillips Sjalen Phillips. So you look at them and say,
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separate the quarterback for a moment, how's the rest of
the team on pick? Less than six months ago, you
were looking at them like, these guys are young, and
they are incredibly talented. Anywhere in fact, you could have
made the argument the Jalen Hurts had the best team
around him of any Super Bowl winning quarterback ever and
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the only one that gives me pause is the forty
nine ers in nineteen eighty four when they beat Dammering
and the Dolphins in the Super Bowl. Because they went
fifteen to one and they had the number one defense.
He said, wait a minute, Joe Montana, he's got the
number one defense. He's got Jerry Rice, he's got John Taylor,
he's got Roger Craig and Brent Jones. But the offensive
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line was not to the Eagles, So you could even
say Jalen Hurts had a better team around him than
Montana had an eighty four an epic, historically great team
around him. The offensive line is slip. You don't see
Saquon Barkley having near the impact. His explosive plays last
year were historic.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Jalen has been in and out of the lineup.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
They haven't been as good anywhere around them. So I'm
left to say, wait a minute. What appears to be
a ironclad truth, put it in ink, not pencil. It
can flip within three months. And so you asked me
where a dynasty could come from, I would have said, look,
I don't love their quarterback, but they're.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
So good coach either.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yeah, well, I don't like the offensive coordinator decision he made, right,
I mean, they lost Kellen Moore. And look, Kellen Moore
is telling people privately that he had to dumb down
that offense for the Eagles last year to such an
innth degree member. Now, he had been at the Chargers,
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he'd been at the Cowboys, He'd been around a lot
of quarterbacks, and he had never had to simplify an
offense like he did last year. But again, because of
the nature of everybody around him and playing two Jalen
hurt strengths and away from his weaknesses, he had to
do that. But yeah, that I'm flummoxed. I don't really
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I don't really see. You know, Denver could be because
I think bo Nix is a rising quarterback. They've got
a really good young defense. They're in a tough division,
but they've shown you know, obviously people are gonna say New.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
England could be.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
But yes, you know, in any year, the teams that
has the best record, you go, oh, they could have
stay in power. That doesn't mean they will.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
That's true, that's true, And you named two of the three. Jackson,
I kind of went over in the six o'clock hour
last night. We had New England, Denver. We also included
I included I don't know if he Jackson did. I
included Houston in this because they just seem like number
one defense, young, young quarterback, hasn't made any money yet,
so you can pay the rest of their team. That
was that was kind of a team that in the
NFC Seattle, green Bay, Chicago, but that but Chicago depends
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on what Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Is, and I don't think we know what he is yet.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Green Bay and Seattle look like a team that are
at least on the Cup.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You mentioned how young they are.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Let me let me quickly interject, and I know we
got a break here, but let me quickly interject, Dick,
that I hadn't thought about this. The Rams have a
draft pick, I believe from the Atlanta Falcons, which will
be a high first round pick. They could easily take
the successor to Matthew Stafford and become a dynasty with
that first round quarter.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Is there is there a successor if they're a successor
in this draft the Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
That's that's funny because I was just watching today the
coaches copy sideline and end zone copy of the Ohio
State game against Indiana, and I watched Fernando Mendoza. I was,
I watched every single play, uh, in part for a
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segment we're going to do today when we discussed Demon
Williams and and there's a reason I wanted to watch Mendoza.
And you know, kind of there's a there's some comparisons
I'm gonna make there, but but uh, yeah, Mendoza looks. Look,
he's got great traits. He's tall, he's athletic, he's got
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textbook like teaching tape quality footwork with and and his
release and all.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
So, but you don't know these guys.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
It's like it's like, uh, it's like t bag. You know,
you don't know what you have until you put it
in hot water. And uh you know, so I could say, well,
this guy has the traits and what have you. But
how many times have have we seen bus So I'm reluctant.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I don't see any can't miss. But you know what,
even if I did.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Like Trevor, who are the guys where you say, okay,
this is just you know, a mic drop type of
quarterback rerever Lawrence, Uh, you know Andrew Luck who was
for the most part until he decided to, uh to retire.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I mean, I don't know, there's not you don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Well, yeah, and Cam Newton was number one over I mean,
I think it's just it's up in the air.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
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Speaker 2 (22:15):
Jackson is here, Hugh is here, and hey, hu did
you hear that? Oh Mont Jackson?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I always I always forget all right? Try one time?
Three two and one? Hey Hugh, did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
What's that? Dick? There we go?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
This morning on Wake Up Barstool on Fox Sports one,
Big Cat Cats had an interesting comparison when talking about
quarterback Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Jalen Hurts is going to have Jalen Hurts is just
Russell Wilson two point oh. That's how I've thought about
him for a while now, where he is a very
good quarterback who needs a good defense and also is
very corny and uh, when he gets to his later
part of his.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Career, every it's gonna be like, WHOA, that guy's weird.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
I mean, like he's a Tier two quarter Fine, Yeah,
you get exactly what Russell Wilson always was. Yeah, if
you look at Russell Wilson's career arc, I kind of
see the same thing coming from Jalen Hurts, where it's
like you you spend a lot of money on him,
you then have to give up money other places a team.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Then you're like, you do it.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
He might have a couple of years where he has
to do a lot of it and he gets his.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Throw, but is it winning football?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
I don't know if it's winning football.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I agree with part of that.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I disagree with part of that, Hugh, and I'll let
you know why and then I'll get your take on that.
I understand he is that kind of the top end
of the second tier of quarterbacks in the NFL, which
is exactly where Russell Wilson was. We always thought he
was six seven.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Somewhere in there.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
That's where we always ranked Russell Wilson when he was
a starting quarterback. He's had a great running game around him,
like Jalen Hurts. He's had a great defense support him
like Jalen Hurts, so he hasn't had to carry a
lot of burden on his shoulders.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
He won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
That's I think where the comparisons fall apart, though, because
as a quarterback, I see Russ's slip your.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
A much more accurate.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Passer of the football and Jalen just a tougher runner
of the football.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Is That's That's kind of my two cents on what
he has.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah, I think that's a good assessment. I think that
for the most part, there are some similarities. I would
say that Russell had a better deep ball, and I
think Jalen Hurts has a deep ball a pretty decent
goal route.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
But I think Russ.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Had a high corner route, he had a post route.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I think there's a difference there.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
As far as the elusiveness when Russell was young, yes,
I think he was more evasive, not as strong. Probably
similar speeds outright, long speed. So yeah, I think there's
a lot of similarities.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know, I've I've.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Thought that that hurts. I've said it. I said last summer,
what have you I think for a number of years
when the Giants had in the bottom two or three
in offensive line and the bottom two or three in receivers.
That the hardest job on on on Earth really, uh,
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in the sports world is a Giants quarterback. And I
was like, if you put Daniel Jones on the Eagles
and you put Jalen Hurts on the Giants, Daniel Jones
would be contending for Super Bowls and they'd be running
Jalen Hurts out of town. I think, and I thought,
I've said that, I've thought that for a long time
and and and we'll see. Now it seems like Jalen
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Hurts is not handling the all the controversy, you know,
the A. J. Brown stuff that he's having to deal with.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Uh. You know, it just seems like.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
The pressures getting tom And that's a hard city to
play too in as well. That's a tough weather city,
tough media. So I think those are equaled New York
and and Philly. But I think that there's signs that
he's not handling the pressure.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Well.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Well, at least they have the positivity rabbit in their
locker room that that worked last night.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Hey, Hugh, did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
That's that dick?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
After the Chargers overtime win of the Eagles last night,
Jim Harbaugh compared the victory to some big life moments.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
This is definitely, I don't maybe the best best feeling,
uh you know, just a wonderful, wonderful feeling of winning
and thrill of victory. It's certainly in the discussion I
put in the discussion of the birth of my seven children, uh,
my marriage, Uh you know, in the conversation, in the conversation,
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just joyful, uh joyous and uh you know the biblical
definition of that's just overflowing with with uh with joy.
It was beautiful. It was beautiful that competitor. It was
like a heavyweight fight, and I felt like our team
played our best when our best was needed.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
You know, if Jim Harbaugh wasn't the head coach at
both Michigan and San Francisco, two of my most hated
college and pro franchises ever, I would probably like him
a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And I don't mind him with the with the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I think it's just there was so many years he
was just my bit arrival at San Francisco, and then
he went to Michigan, who I can't stand, and so
it's it's kind of hard for me to embrace him
because of that.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Well, I think he's proven his chops.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
To go back to when he was a head coach
at the University of San Diego. I remember looking at
the previous twenty five years of whatever that their nickname is,
but they hadn't done nothing. And then he really excelled,
which got him the Stanford job. And of course Stanford
with Buddy Stevens and others hadn't done anything. And then
he takes them to an epichite and then wins the
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championship at Michigan. I'll be attainted in many people's eyes
what he did at the forty nine ers. Remember now,
the forty nine ers they were, You don't It's easy
to forget how bad the forty nine ers were for
a number of years now. Alex Smith was the number
one overall pick that's right, right, and Chip Kelly went there.
He failed, like everything was not working. And and so.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
The Jim thomasula.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
He's a little bit of an odd duck. Now, you know,
he sounds a little spectromy from time to time, but
but wow, look you can't deny his coaching accomplishments.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
No question about it, all right, now you tease something
earlier on in the hour that we're going to give
to the fans next, and that is a little breakdown
on Demon Williams. I am interested in your evaluation of
demand this year. I am interested in your I know
you don't do predictions, but your level of concern or
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level of confidence that Demon Williams becomes the quarterback that
Husky fans want to see next season. We'll do that
next after Top of the Hour headlines on nine three
point three KJFM.
Just dreadful Monday night football game.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I know you had a function last night, So did
you even even watch any of the of the money.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I watched some of it. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (00:08):
I didn't catch all of it, but I'm aware of
the calamity that was.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hurts.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Yes, my family knows I have this. I really like
Jalen Hurts the person that this is very unique for me.
I really like him. He was an elite eleven counselor.
When my kid was down there, my kid raised about
the person he is. At all accounts, he's had very little,
uh scathing in that regard. But I cannot stand the quarterback.
(00:36):
It is just it's like watching a high school quarterback.
You watch their offense and it is so scaled down.
I mean, it looks like a high school offense. You know,
it's either a go route up the sideline or it's
you know, something in the flat. You know, there's very
little complexity to the reads. And and while he's an
athletic quarterback, just think think about this. If Dalen Hurts
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had to win a job in the NFL as a halfback, Okay,
got me. I just want to imagine take off his number,
what's his number two. I'm terrible numbers, Jackson, what numbers?
Jalen hurts, I.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Am the worst person with numbers.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
So one's question, whatever he is, So now make him
number thirty one or number thirty one, number one?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
All right?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
So so now he's number thirty one. He's trying to
be a running back. Do you think how how long
do you think he would last in an NFL camp
if he was trying to make the team as a runner.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Oh, he's not fast and he doesn't have moves, So
I'd say a day he'd be in the first cuts.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, in the first cut mini camps.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yes, right, So he's not a great runner by running
back stand In fact, he's a very by running back standards,
he would be he'd be horrible. So but you watch
him run and it's like.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Is it entertaining? No?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I mean he's I guess he's strong, but you know
he's not terribly elusive. You're not done to that great burst.
And so I don't know when you pair that with
a high school offense, I don't know his quarterbacking just
is it sets football back a long way?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It does?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And those I'm just watching those two teams and I
felt the same way during Thanksgiving weekend, and all those
games that we all watched, right the three on Thursday,
the one on Friday, and then the one game last time,
they were almost all of them, maybe all of them
included teams that were seen as either potential deep playoff
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run teams or teams like the Ravens and even the
Bengals with Joe Burrow and the Chiefs, teams that we thought, okay, sneaky,
sneaky teams. Be careful, right, be careful. These teams could
come and bite you and get into and get into
the playoffs. So there was really no dogs playing in
any of these games. And yet the gap I see
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between the Seahawks and the Rams, and to point, and
I agree with him that you can probably throw the
Packers in that. The gap that I'm seeing now between
those three teams and the rest of the league seems
to be growing exponentially. Because I remember saying on the
air a month ago, it's like, man, who's a who's
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the best team in the NFL. I don't know who
are the top five teams. I don't know who's the
top ten teams. There could be thirteen teams that play
in the Super Bowl this year, like we were just
all talking about this great parody. But what I've seen
over the last month is the parody's starting to thin
out now and like we're separating the week from the chaff.
Are you seeing that as well in the NFL the
last month?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Well, I just think that as you go along, obviously,
injuries take take their toll in a big way for
some teams. And you just expect a team that has
back in September, if they had a one in six
chance based on how good they were, they had a
(03:58):
one and six chance of just having a turd. Well,
four or five games into it, there's a good chance
you haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
But after you've played twelve.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Fourteen games, you know, you know the Rams at Carolina,
Who on earth could have ever foreseen that?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Right? And you know there.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
But now, what is typical is that there's a the
hottest team in September, Buffalo, the Colts right, and then
they right, and then that their wave runs out, and
then somebody else rides a wave and h and then
you're you're looking at those teams in October and and
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and so I think it's very unusual for a team
to be good enough to be thought of as at
the peak for four straight months.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We rarely see that, and I mean there's there's occasionally
those years where you got a team that goes you know,
old school sixteen games, team that goes fourteen and two,
and we're like, okay, this is clearly. We've had years
where it's like, oh, greatest on turf. You know, yeah,
they're the best team in the NFL all season long.
But to your point and yeah, but but you're right,
especially recently, there's been even the Chiefs dynasty quote unquote
(05:10):
over the last five or six years, they've had seasons
where they were like seven and five after twelve games,
three and three after six games. There's been times where
they've had to you know, peak at the right time.
And I think about that's probably we're gonna have to
see this year, is we have to see a team
peak at the right time to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
How about Tampa Bay?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I mean, great in September.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
And Baker Mayfield was the odds on for the MVP.
How far has he fallen off of that? So we've
just we've seen this. I think this is typical. I
actually think it's very typical what we're seeing now. You
just don't know which teams are going to be the teams.
But but you know the older teams. The Commanders are
the oldest team in the NFL. Not surprising that they've
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fallen off. Detroit has made and some coaching attrition and
and so you know, the younger teams.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Denver.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Hell, I put I bet one team on the over
this season back prior to the season. One team Denver,
and it was Denver. And because a Sean Payton and
a second year quarterback just no the defense, the defense awesome,
that they had like a treacherous pass rush that nobody
was talking about. And and so actually Softy owes me
(06:24):
money because he was the one he was my book.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
On that.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
But but but yeah, you know, I just think that
the young teams, Uh now, the Raiders are surprise.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Massive surprise to me. That's really the biggest negative surprise
of the year for me.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I thought they win. I thought they'd win eight games.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I thought they'd be I thought they would be competitive,
they would play Pete Carroll competitive football. Every game would
be within six points, and they'd win eight and they'd
lose nine. I mean That's how I thought the rais.
They've just been dreadful. I don't understand why. I mean,
ginos are one reason, but not the only reason.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
No, No, they their offensive line is very poor, terrible. Yeah,
and I think their defense, other than their left hand
is is just kind of average.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So but they were thought to be better, no question.
And you know I'm looking now. I kind of tiered these.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I put kind of three tiers together of teams that
I all thought, Okay, if I tilted my head right
and all things go right for this team, I could
see these teams participating in the Super Bowl. I mean
Tier one's the favorites, and I've just got I've only
got three, and they're all from the NFC, LA, Seattle,
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and Green Bay in that order, and that order could
change on a week by week basis. The next tier,
like the contenders. Somebody's got to go out of the AFC.
I still think Buffalo's better.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Than New England.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I cannot wait for that football game this Sunday. That
is going to be the one that I watch most intently,
other than obviously the Seahawks game. But the non Seahawk
game I'm watching ten is Buffalo New England, then the
Denver Broncos that you spoke of, and Detroit. I kind
of have those on that like contenders list, and then
tier three Chicago, San Francisco. I think Houston is really
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intriguing because if you just wanted to make a list
of that, you tell me the teams have been the
best teams in the NFL the last two months.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Houston has to be on that list absolutely, so.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Their defense is arguably the best. I mean, if the
Seahawks aren't the best defense, then Houston the then Houston
right there in Denver. Yeah, but I think I think Houston,
given that their offense has played poorly and you know
they they're missing their quarterback, I think what Houston has
done has been immensely uh impressive. Is there any you know,
(08:49):
go ahead, you know you mentioned green Bay and green
Bay is interesting to me. You know, they make the
move for Parsons obviously feeling like okay, this is go time,
and they feel like they have the other parts. And
by the way they're they are the youngest team in
the NFL at least going into the season. I know
the Shows are very young, and whether uh, I know
they're in the top five and somebody I heard say
(09:11):
they're the second youngest. But but getting back to Green Bay,
I have looked at Jordan Love and he's kind of
intrigued me. Sometimes he hasn't really answered the bell in
the clutch, and sometimes he has. He's kind of been
really up and down. Sometimes he just he's incredible. But
he has a style of quarterbacking that's very unique. He
(09:32):
does not have a strong arm, but nor did Joe Montana,
nor Steve young so in Green Bay where Aaron Rodgers
and Brett Farv had these just absolute hoses exactly, you know,
but you got to spin the ball in win for sure.
(09:53):
And and Jordan lev does have a tight spiral, but
he does not have great velocity. And he has a
way of quarterback And I've seen it enough that now
I'm bringing it to the airwaves. If you watched a
lot of Packers, you'll know what I'm talking about. He
has a way of in the face of pressure, he
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will drift back and kind of throw off his back
foot and kind of lob the ball out deep down
the field. And he puts a lot of touch on
the ball. But mann does he have accuracy. And one
of the things he had to touchdown. The other night,
where the post route is taking at a certain angle
the receivers on the left, he goes down, he runs.
Let's say he's running right down the middle of the goalpost.
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But what what you and I coached high school quarterbacks
and you're taught it's not terribly intuitive, but you want
to flatten the receiver so that his angle is going high.
Let's say on an analog clock, he's going at one o'clock.
Got me yep, from the middle of a clock, So
he's at that angle. The cornerback is going to mirror
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that angle. He has to because he's covering it. So
both guys are going at one o'clock. But what Jordan
Love will do is he'll throw it at two o'clock,
so that now when the receiver looks up, he can
the ball is flattening. But there's what we call a
bubble separation where the corner takes Neurologically, he's gonna be
just a little bit later to react right then he's
(11:16):
got a flatten as well, but that little split second
is enough to get the separation. Jordan Love has this ability.
What's the takeaway? He can backpedal and just kind of
lob it up, but he lobs it into an area
and man and man, you don't have to worry about
somebody falling off, so you can almost lob it as
high as you want. But he just kind of lobs
it out there. But he leads the guy. He makes
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the receiver go to the right place at the right angle.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
And so so.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I'm up and down with him as to whether or
not he's, you know, truly a super Bowl winning quarterback.
He's got a great team around him. He's got a
young team around him. That's why they went all in
on Mike Parsons. But yes, they're dangerous there. Their ceiling
is exceedingly high.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
No question.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And you know, another thing, and we'll take a quick
time out and talk about this when we come back.
Another thing we saw last night was and Jackson I
talked about it a little bit before you or after
you left the show, yesterday was the end of a dynasty.
I think that Charger win last night brought the official
end to the Chiefs dynasty.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And we'll talk about.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, Charger chat.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, the Chargers win last night. Oh, Chiefs needed the
Chargers to lose last night. They are three full games
behind the Chargers. We'll talk about is there a dynasty
out there to fill the void? We'll talk about that
next on ninety three point three KJRFF.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
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Speaker 1 (12:54):
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Speaker 2 (12:56):
That sounds fun, So we gave away our three o'clock
seats to Mike Shaw.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Beautiful. December twenty eighth is the game.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Against Philadelphia against the Flyers. All right, very good, So
congratulations to Mike. Our next winner will come up in
the four o'clock hour.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Beautiful, Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Sabdian dig without the soft one. He'll be back tomorrow.
I saw him at the at the Huskies today. We
got a chance to talk to some of the coaches.
You'll hear my conversation with Ryan Walters a little bit
later on.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
In the show.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Today we'll be doing the pre half and post for
the l Able.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
A lot of Husky talk a little bit later on.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
The show, but I want to keep rolling with this
NFL topic. We were talking about some of the great
teams in the league, Hugh and kind of the gap
between the elite and the not quite elite.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And then the dynasty question comes up.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And it's funny because I took a look at this
today and I went through all the Super Bowls and really,
with very few exceptions, there has been a dining almost
the entirety of the Super Bowl era. You started with
Green Bay and Lombardi, Miami with Shula, Pittsburgh with Noel,
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San Francisco with Wallston, Seaford, Dallas with Johnson and Switzer.
Denver then wins two in a row, not really a dynasty,
but Denver did win two in a row. And then
you've got two separate New England eras. You've got the
Young Brady era, and then you've got the Old Brady era,
and then you've got the Chiefs. You mean, the only
runs of actual parody in the league where you didn't
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have dynasty. The only time you didn't have it was
really with nineteen ninety seven two thousand and three, although
you did have the two Denver titles in there. But
I don't consider Denver a dynasty because they didn't go
to any other Super Bowls. And then the era when
the Hawks went to three Super Bowls. Two thousand and
five to twenty fourteen season, Hawks go to three title games,
win one. Patriots made three title games, but nobody won
(14:58):
multiple So there really was isn't any dynasty during that time,
and so I think most of us think, well, dynasties
kind of come.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
And go, and they don't.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
They're not really all that prevalent, when the fact of
the matter is, it's far more prevalent, Hugh to have
a dynasty in the NFL than it is not to
have a dynasty in the NFL. So that leads me
to the question, Okay, if the Chiefs are done, which
I think we all believe now that they are, that
is a broken football team.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Where do we go from here?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
What teams are bubbling at the surface to potentially be
the team of the second half of this decade.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Well, the team that really is intriguing to me in
that regard is the Eagles, because setting aside my comments
about Hurts, what's the rest of their team.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Let's just go back a year ago.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
They were PFF number one offensive line in football, and
that's after Kelsey had retired. They had Saquon Barkley. They
were PFF's number one tandem of receivers Smith with Brown
yees yeah right, Devontae.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Defensively, they were they had the best defensive line, so
they had both the best defensive line and the best
offensive line. And their secondary had been week the year before,
and in twenty twenty three they went first round draft
pick and second round draft pick Cooper Dezine and whoever
else the corner was. So they like they instantly upgraded
their their secondary. And then you know, when they thought
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they had a little pass rush issue, they give a
third round pick to uh, who's a kid from Miami
from UCLA number fifteen defensive end. Whatever they at the
trade deadline, they use a third round draft pick. Maybe
you can help me, Jackson. And so this Howie Rose
Mayland Phillips Sjalen Phillips. So you look at them and say,
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separate the quarterback for a moment, how's the rest of
the team on pick? Less than six months ago, you
were looking at them like, these guys are young, and
they are incredibly talented. Anywhere in fact, you could have
made the argument the Jalen Hurts had the best team
around him of any Super Bowl winning quarterback ever and
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the only one that gives me pause is the forty
nine ers in nineteen eighty four when they beat Dammering
and the Dolphins in the Super Bowl. Because they went
fifteen to one and they had the number one defense.
He said, wait a minute, Joe Montana, he's got the
number one defense. He's got Jerry Rice, he's got John Taylor,
he's got Roger Craig and Brent Jones. But the offensive
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line was not to the Eagles, So you could even
say Jalen Hurts had a better team around him than
Montana had an eighty four an epic, historically great team
around him. The offensive line is slip. You don't see
Saquon Barkley having near the impact. His explosive plays last
year were historic.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Jalen has been in and out of the lineup.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
They haven't been as good anywhere around them. So I'm
left to say, wait a minute. What appears to be
a ironclad truth, put it in ink, not pencil. It
can flip within three months. And so you asked me
where a dynasty could come from, I would have said, look,
I don't love their quarterback, but they're.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
So good coach either.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yeah, well, I don't like the offensive coordinator decision he made, right,
I mean, they lost Kellen Moore. And look, Kellen Moore
is telling people privately that he had to dumb down
that offense for the Eagles last year to such an
innth degree member. Now, he had been at the Chargers,
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he'd been at the Cowboys, He'd been around a lot
of quarterbacks, and he had never had to simplify an
offense like he did last year. But again, because of
the nature of everybody around him and playing two Jalen
hurt strengths and away from his weaknesses, he had to
do that. But yeah, that I'm flummoxed. I don't really
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I don't really see. You know, Denver could be because
I think bo Nix is a rising quarterback. They've got
a really good young defense. They're in a tough division,
but they've shown you know, obviously people are gonna say New.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
England could be.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
But yes, you know, in any year, the teams that
has the best record, you go, oh, they could have
stay in power. That doesn't mean they will.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
That's true, that's true, And you named two of the three. Jackson,
I kind of went over in the six o'clock hour
last night. We had New England, Denver. We also included
I included I don't know if he Jackson did. I
included Houston in this because they just seem like number
one defense, young, young quarterback, hasn't made any money yet,
so you can pay the rest of their team. That
was that was kind of a team that in the
NFC Seattle, green Bay, Chicago, but that but Chicago depends
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on what Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Is, and I don't think we know what he is yet.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Green Bay and Seattle look like a team that are
at least on the Cup.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You mentioned how young they are.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Let me let me quickly interject, and I know we
got a break here, but let me quickly interject, Dick,
that I hadn't thought about this. The Rams have a
draft pick, I believe from the Atlanta Falcons, which will
be a high first round pick. They could easily take
the successor to Matthew Stafford and become a dynasty with
that first round quarter.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Is there is there a successor if they're a successor
in this draft the Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
That's that's funny because I was just watching today the
coaches copy sideline and end zone copy of the Ohio
State game against Indiana, and I watched Fernando Mendoza. I was,
I watched every single play, uh, in part for a
(20:41):
segment we're going to do today when we discussed Demon
Williams and and there's a reason I wanted to watch Mendoza.
And you know, kind of there's a there's some comparisons
I'm gonna make there, but but uh, yeah, Mendoza looks. Look,
he's got great traits. He's tall, he's athletic, he's got
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textbook like teaching tape quality footwork with and and his
release and all.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
So, but you don't know these guys.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
It's like it's like, uh, it's like t bag. You know,
you don't know what you have until you put it
in hot water. And uh you know, so I could say, well,
this guy has the traits and what have you. But
how many times have have we seen bus So I'm reluctant.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I don't see any can't miss. But you know what,
even if I did.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Like Trevor, who are the guys where you say, okay,
this is just you know, a mic drop type of
quarterback rerever Lawrence, Uh, you know Andrew Luck who was
for the most part until he decided to, uh to retire.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I mean, I don't know, there's not you don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Well, yeah, and Cam Newton was number one over I mean,
I think it's just it's up in the air.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
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Speaker 1 (22:01):
It's now time for Softy and Dick's fun with audio.
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Speaker 2 (22:15):
Jackson is here, Hugh is here, and hey, hu did
you hear that? Oh Mont Jackson?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I always I always forget all right? Try one time?
Three two and one? Hey Hugh, did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
What's that? Dick? There we go?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
This morning on Wake Up Barstool on Fox Sports one,
Big Cat Cats had an interesting comparison when talking about
quarterback Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Jalen Hurts is going to have Jalen Hurts is just
Russell Wilson two point oh. That's how I've thought about
him for a while now, where he is a very
good quarterback who needs a good defense and also is
very corny and uh, when he gets to his later
part of his.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Career, every it's gonna be like, WHOA, that guy's weird.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
I mean, like he's a Tier two quarter Fine, Yeah,
you get exactly what Russell Wilson always was. Yeah, if
you look at Russell Wilson's career arc, I kind of
see the same thing coming from Jalen Hurts, where it's
like you you spend a lot of money on him,
you then have to give up money other places a team.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Then you're like, you do it.
Speaker 7 (23:15):
He might have a couple of years where he has
to do a lot of it and he gets his.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Throw, but is it winning football?
Speaker 7 (23:20):
I don't know if it's winning football.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I agree with part of that.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I disagree with part of that, Hugh, and I'll let
you know why and then I'll get your take on that.
I understand he is that kind of the top end
of the second tier of quarterbacks in the NFL, which
is exactly where Russell Wilson was. We always thought he
was six seven.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Somewhere in there.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
That's where we always ranked Russell Wilson when he was
a starting quarterback. He's had a great running game around him,
like Jalen Hurts. He's had a great defense support him
like Jalen Hurts, so he hasn't had to carry a
lot of burden on his shoulders.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
He won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
That's I think where the comparisons fall apart, though, because
as a quarterback, I see Russ's slip your.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
A much more accurate.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Passer of the football and Jalen just a tougher runner
of the football.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Is That's That's kind of my two cents on what
he has.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah, I think that's a good assessment. I think that
for the most part, there are some similarities. I would
say that Russell had a better deep ball, and I
think Jalen Hurts has a deep ball a pretty decent
goal route.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
But I think Russ.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Had a high corner route, he had a post route.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I think there's a difference there.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
As far as the elusiveness when Russell was young, yes,
I think he was more evasive, not as strong. Probably
similar speeds outright, long speed. So yeah, I think there's
a lot of similarities.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know, I've I've.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Thought that that hurts. I've said it. I said last summer,
what have you I think for a number of years
when the Giants had in the bottom two or three
in offensive line and the bottom two or three in receivers.
That the hardest job on on on Earth really, uh,
(25:09):
in the sports world is a Giants quarterback. And I
was like, if you put Daniel Jones on the Eagles
and you put Jalen Hurts on the Giants, Daniel Jones
would be contending for Super Bowls and they'd be running
Jalen Hurts out of town. I think, and I thought,
I've said that, I've thought that for a long time
and and and we'll see. Now it seems like Jalen
(25:31):
Hurts is not handling the all the controversy, you know,
the A. J. Brown stuff that he's having to deal with.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Uh. You know, it just seems like.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
The pressures getting tom And that's a hard city to
play too in as well. That's a tough weather city,
tough media. So I think those are equaled New York
and and Philly. But I think that there's signs that
he's not handling the pressure.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Well.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Well, at least they have the positivity rabbit in their
locker room that that worked last night.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Hey, Hugh, did you hear that?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
That's that dick?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
After the Chargers overtime win of the Eagles last night,
Jim Harbaugh compared the victory to some big life moments.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
This is definitely, I don't maybe the best best feeling,
uh you know, just a wonderful, wonderful feeling of winning
and thrill of victory. It's certainly in the discussion I
put in the discussion of the birth of my seven children, uh,
my marriage, Uh you know, in the conversation, in the conversation,
(26:25):
just joyful, uh joyous and uh you know the biblical
definition of that's just overflowing with with uh with joy.
It was beautiful. It was beautiful that competitor. It was
like a heavyweight fight, and I felt like our team
played our best when our best was needed.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
You know, if Jim Harbaugh wasn't the head coach at
both Michigan and San Francisco, two of my most hated
college and pro franchises ever, I would probably like him
a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And I don't mind him with the with the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I think it's just there was so many years he
was just my bit arrival at San Francisco, and then
he went to Michigan, who I can't stand, and so
it's it's kind of hard for me to embrace him
because of that.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Well, I think he's proven his chops.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
To go back to when he was a head coach
at the University of San Diego. I remember looking at
the previous twenty five years of whatever that their nickname is,
but they hadn't done nothing. And then he really excelled,
which got him the Stanford job. And of course Stanford
with Buddy Stevens and others hadn't done anything. And then
he takes them to an epichite and then wins the
(27:33):
championship at Michigan. I'll be attainted in many people's eyes
what he did at the forty nine ers. Remember now,
the forty nine ers they were, You don't It's easy
to forget how bad the forty nine ers were for
a number of years now. Alex Smith was the number
one overall pick that's right, right, and Chip Kelly went there.
He failed, like everything was not working. And and so.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
The Jim thomasula.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
He's a little bit of an odd duck. Now, you know,
he sounds a little spectromy from time to time, but
but wow, look you can't deny his coaching accomplishments.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
No question about it, all right, now you tease something
earlier on in the hour that we're going to give
to the fans next, and that is a little breakdown
on Demon Williams. I am interested in your evaluation of
demand this year. I am interested in your I know
you don't do predictions, but your level of concern or
(28:32):
level of confidence that Demon Williams becomes the quarterback that
Husky fans want to see next season. We'll do that
next after Top of the Hour headlines on nine three
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