March 10, 2025 • 27 mins
In the second hour, Hugh Millen joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the Seahawks signing Sam Darnold to be the new QB, DK Metcalf being sent to Pittsburgh, what it means for Jaxon Smith-Njigba, and comparing the Seattle and Vikings’ o-lines.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining us right now on the radio show.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
This is exactly why this guy is on the payroll
right here for this exact reason. Days like today, I
often wonder why does that guy still hang around?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Why do we still playing?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Why is he still texting me? Why is he still
bothering me? He just keeps showing up every single year.
Now we know why for days like today, because nobody
does it better than our friend Huey Millen, especially on
legal tampering day in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hue how are you pal?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
I don't know what to make of that intro. I've
been who does more bothering you?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Or me? Probably me? But that's okay. You need in
your life to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Let's just get a quick thirty five thousand foot reaction
to the three of the last four days. I mean,
Geno traded Friday, DK traded Sunday. Today, it's Sam Darnold
coming to Seattle. I mean there's been a pretty big
blow torch taken to this football team by John Schneider
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the last three days.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yeah, it's really been stunning, and you know, just focusing
on the quarterbacks, I just think it's interesting to me
that Gino, you know, I cited the dates this morning,
but you know, in each of the years while he
was a backup, he was on the street for you know,
six weeks, two months, you know, and then basically signed
either at or barely over the minimum. So when really
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there was nobody that wanted him, you know, Pete Carroll
and John Schneider did right. And I do find it
a little interesting that they're clearly seeing signs show that
there was an expectation. I take them at their word.
When you heard Mike McDonald say, hey, Gina is going
to be our quarterback, I think that he felt that
at the time a few weeks ago when he said that,
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and then Gino, you know, he played hardball and he
said he thinks he's worth forty five million ish if
reports are accurate, and the seact we're thinking, no, you're
more like thirty five million ish. And and so I
think that the way that wobbled and the wheels fell
off of that surprised the hell out of me, and
of course leading up to all the other things.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But that's that's the first thought.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Well, I'm happy about both sides of this deal, not
only the financial side, but also I believe that they
got a better quarterback this year than they had last year.
So are you more happy about the Geno to Donald upgrade,
if indeed you feel it as an upgrade, or are
you more happy with the potential paying Gino forty five
million dollars the downgrade to a thirty three million dollar
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price tag in Donald, which Hugh is the third lowest
veteran starting quarterback contract in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Well, I like the finances. I think it's more important
to have the right guy. I mean, if if a guy,
you know, if you got good quarterbacking, I think the difference,
you know, ten million dollars in an ear when what
the cap is what two seventy nine? You can you
can swallow that if you get good quarterback play. I
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think that it's proof. You know, there's a good debate
over who's going to be better Sam Donald for twenty
twenty five or had you kept Geno. I can have
an opinion about that, but I don't think there's much
of a debate that Sam Donald was a better quarterback
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than Gino last year. I mean, the guy was a
you know, first ballot Pro bowler. And what I mean
by that is not all this nonsense alternate stuff. He
was tenth in the MVP voting. He threw for forty
three hundred yards. There's all kinds of numbers that I
cited to you on Friday, where Donald, you know, key
numbers that have high correlation to winning. Where Donald is
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is lapping Gino on a lot of statistics.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And then when you say.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Well, what about the past protection, I think we might
want to explore that, but I think there's some a
lot of divergent facts attendant to that. But nonetheless, I'll
say that darn old, you know, as seven years younger,
he just had a better year. And you know, and
I'll just dave. I know you're eager to get onto
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the next one, but just remember on Sam Donald, he
was drafted in twenty eighteen. He has a June birthday.
He on his draft day he was twenty years old.
He's a red shirt sophomore. He gave up two years
of eligibility at USC and you know, of course goes
to the Jets. And it may be a case that
he's a late developer. I mean, the guy in my
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years of studying quarterbacks, the guy who has changed his
mechanics the most from college to pro is unquestionably Aaron Rodgers.
If you watch Aaron Rodgers at Cal, he used to
hold the ball a way up above his ear. I
mean it was awkward, it looked unnatural, and then for
whatever reason, he dropped it down to his chest and
he had this beautiful release. Well, Sam Donald, I can
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remember him at USC having this big loopy baseball center field,
the home plate wind up at sea and somehow or another,
I guess it was just a slow evolution. But I'm
watching that tape and there is none of that. He
has the polish in terms of how he reads his
mechanics and the lot of things. So so I think
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there's a lot of evidence to say this guy's a
late bloomer.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, there's certainly no doubt that could happen.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
There's also no doubt as possible that he took advantage
of a great situation in Minnesota and he's gonna regress.
So what you saw, I mean, honestly, do you see
a guy that found something in Minnesota?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Or is there a party that wonders man?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
You know, Addison Jefferson, Aaron Jones catching past his Hockinson,
playing inside, playing for O'Connell. He's not gonna have any
of that now in Seattle. Does that concern you in
the slightest.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yes, and yes, you ask me, uh kind of two questions. Yes,
I I think that he may have found something, and yes,
I'm concerned that he didn't. I mean, let's let's look
at you know, those those targets. Arguably the best receiving corps.
I mean, Cincinnati, you know, Jamar Chasen T. Higgins probably
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is the best. You could say the Eagles of DeVante
Smith and AJ Brown, but certainly in the discussion, you know,
JJ is the number one guy. It's really a question
about what you think of Addison. Of course, they had
a very capable tight end and so yeah, and playing
in a dome. Kevin McConnell quarterback, friendly head coach. Yeah,
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there's a lot of things there, but you know, with
a lot of that still in place, the Vikings were
seven and ten the year before. I know, JJ got
hurt and Cousins got hurt. But you know, McConnell, Kevin
O'Connell like to go to fourteen and three. And then
you also consider that, darnold, if you kind of want
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to be charitable, kind of blue sky charitable, not you know,
not like lottery charitable, just kind of like sunny day
charitable to him, you say, all right, the Jets was
as everybody who goes to the Jets is mess. Now,
then he then he goes to Carolina and by the
end of Carolina, because you know he had he had
six starts in.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That last year, goes four and two.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
One of the losses with Tom Brady when Tom Brady
went berserk on him and you know, I don't know,
I'm teen yards and touchdowns. And so then he goes
to San Francisco. All of this, all this is kind
of bacon in the oven, and he gets exposed to
Kyle Shanahan and you know, the premier philosophies of quarterbacking
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and offensive football, you know, just kind of resting watching.
And then he does just enough where the Vikings they say,
let's give this guy a ten million dollar, prove it
one year deal, and he goes to Minnesota. And now
as we stand, he is eighteen and six in his
last twenty four games. And now it's only twenty four games.
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But to put that into context and just to have
some fun that there's only three guys in the history
of football who've been over seventy five percent. Now that's
what sixty starts. That's Auto Graham, that's Darryl Lamonica, and
it's Pat Mahomes and Tom Brady is as point seventy
four to nine. Okay, just a one tenth away from
seventy five percent. So seventy five percent. Again, obviously, I
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know there's a big difference between twenty four and sixty,
But look, twenty four isn't eight. It's not like we're
sitting there saying he's six and two, you know. So
so I think again, there there is some evidence this
guy's found something. And I'm just getting into the tape
study and and you know, maybe we'll talk about just
kind of what that shows.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
But I see a developing quarterback.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
What's the best at Hugh when you do the tape study?
What really jumps out with when you look at Stam
Darnold play.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well, I think that that he had very good pocket
presence in a sense of until the last two games,
in a very similar way to Gino. And in fact,
the pressure rate PFF has Geno's pressure rate at thirty
eight point six and Donald's pressure rate at thirty eight
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point one. Now I'm looking at right at Pro Football Focus.
I'm here, I'm here in numbers all day that I
don't agree with the Pro Football focusing their final numbers
for their offensive line. They had the Vikings offensive line
at eighteen, but they're pass blocking at twenty seventh in
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the league. So the amount that Sam Donald was under
pressure was very similar to Geno, extremely similar. It's just
Sam Donald was a lot better. His passer rating when
pressure was fourth in the league. Geno's was twenty eight.
But what is the tape show? I see a guy
who who really understands the sequencing kind of It's like
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teaching tape this. I'm gonna go three steps, I'm gonna
go hits, I'm gonna read here. My feet are gonna
be tied. If this is open, the ball's coming out.
If this is covered, now I'm going to be going
over to the other side. He plays on rhythm. When
guys are open, he generally hits them. There's an accuracy there,
and you know, it's just clear sign of a veteran
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understanding of NFL concepts, and a concept is two or
more routes, generally on one side of the field. There
can be full field concepts, but you got a concept,
a three man concept to the left. You got a
two man concept to the right. There's certain things that
you see that make you stay on the left side.
There's certain things that make you go to the right.
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And there's a certain way you do it where you say,
I'm not panicking, I'm just staying in rhythm. I'm staying
in the throwing position. So there's some really technically sound
aspects to his game. I mean, the hell, just to
repeat it, who's tenth in the MVP voting?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, well, hu Milin's with us.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
He is our MVP, by the way, every year, by
a mile a little more at four with Hugh right
here on ninety three three. Kjrf M is the legal
tampering period in the NFL's but gone Free agency technically
starts on on Wednesday, when teams can start signing players
and announcing deals. So DK Metcalf Sunday night goes to
the Raiders. You remember, or they excuse me, to the Steelers.
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You remember your reaction on draft night when the Seahawks
drafted DK Metcalf. We were all there, right, we all
witnessed what went down in the draft room the night
they drafted DK Metcalf. What was your reaction the night
they traded DK Metcalf for a second round pick to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Well, first of all, that the night had happened. The
Seahawks do such a great job of feeding. And I'd
had a plate whatever the hell I had on I
don't remember what I remember. There was mass potatoes on
that plate and with everybody stomping, And the next scene
is the plate of mass potatoes is on the floor.
Next scene, I'm slipping on the mass potatoes. I'm mortified
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that I've just got a mass potatoes on the carpet.
And I'm and I and I'm drenched in my in
mass potatoes and meanwhile just elated about the acquisition of
DK Metcalf. So one of the more surreal moments.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Of my life.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Sure, now fast forward till last Sunday to yesterday.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Well, I'm I'm I'm frustrated, I'm I'm angry, I'm saddened.
I just say this, We're gonna have to reconcile with
the following. You got DK Metcalf right now stands as
the third highest paid receiver in the NFL at thirty
three million. If on that day, if I went went
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with me and trying to scrape off the mass potatoes
off my clothes. If I would have said to you, Okay,
DK's going to play six years and then he's going
to have the third highest average of all wide receivers
in the NFL, and by the way, the sixth highest
non quarterback, and that's all I told you, would you
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say that things would have been if that's all I
told you, would I say, well, do you think things
have been a success?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Right? Then? If I told you on that day, right.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Sure of course?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Well, okay, of course right.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
And so you're gonna have to reconcile that Omar Kahn,
the the general manager of the Steelers, and certainly with
the blessing of the head coach, the entire coaching staff,
right Mike Tomlin had to be presumably on board with that.
And so now how do you reconcile that with with
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Dk the last season, a full season, out of eighty
qualifying receivers, he had the six seventy six most catchable targets.
So if you take those two facts, those cannot be congruent.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
With one another.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
You have to say, either what either the Steelers are
grossly misguided in what they did, or you have to
say the Seahawks were grossly misguided in what did You
can't those those two facts cannot live in harmony. And
so again you're talking. And by the way, there's three
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defensive ends. There's three wide receivers. At the top six
guys that are non quarterbacks on the NFL salary list
right now. The other five guys are homegrown and they
signed with their guys, right and and the three or
four behind them. By the way, the only one in
the top ten that that didn't get re signed other
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than DK was aj Brown by the Tennessee Titans. And
look what where the Tennessee Titans are right now. They're
drafting first, They're they're just wandering blind it dark in
the in the in the wilderness. So I just I
just think it's you know that that market that was
expressed by this has to at least you know, look,
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I'm not trying everybody. If you're a listener KJR, you
know how I feel about DK. But but just set
how do you reconcile those facts that this guy is
now the third highest paid receiver in the NFL. I mean,
certainly that speaks to uh, you know how the rest
of the league feels about I.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Know how to reconcile it. He was overpaid.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Would you have given Dk metcalf thirty three million dollars
year twelve percent of.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
The Yes, and I would have, and I would have
I would have thrown Look.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
No, I don't care who it is you unless it
Jars Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I'm not giving anyone.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I know this is not the comment. You're going to
cut the snarky comments going on forever. I got it.
Everybody knows that I got it. Okay, So obviously johnes
I beg your pardon. John agrees he didn't want to
pay him that much. Yeah, yeah he did, and obviously
uh that the Steelers look and say, you guys didn't
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know how to use him and Troy Aikman when he
did broadcast, he says, I don't understand why they don't
throw the balls uh to DK more often and throw
it deep to him at least once in a quarter.
When Chris, when you have Mike FLOORI on and he says, yeah,
I'm talking to Chris Simms, and Chris Simms is saying
that I don't understand why the Seahawks don't throw the
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ball to DK metcalf more. Look, I'm going to take
the account of guys that actually watched the game tape
and know what they're looking at when they when they
look at the game tape as opposed to you know,
you take it right now, you say you got JSN,
and look the irony dick you and I were on.
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We were talking right when they drafted JASN. It's like
the one time I ever predicted a Seahawk first round,
you and I, it's got to be JASN, Like that's
the only time. Like I'm a big JASN dude. But
you know, if you just eliminate wide receiver screens, because
JSN was fifth in the NFL in yards from wide
receiver screens. If I'm looking right at this, this filter
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from the NFL portal, and the one of those filters
I put in target pass route group wide receiver screens
and inverted, so I take out that that that little
mouse click that says invert. It takes out wide wide
receiver screens. Only receiving yards per game. You got, JSN
is at fifty seven last year DK was at sixty four.
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So you know you look at the numbers, Well if
you forget that, well a lot, a lot of that
was just wide receiver screens because DK's blocking for JSN,
and then the other part that DK was hard in
missed a couple games.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So he.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Just stop right there because I want to dive into
that next. He and I or Dick and I talked
about that last segment about what DK Metcalf not being
here is going to mean for Jackson Smith and Jigba.
How big of a blow to him is not having
fourteen So hold that thought. We'll come back more with
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Speaker 6 (17:57):
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Speaker 7 (18:10):
Darnald steps away from pressure up for a second, but
then he is sack Donald back to pass the pocket
is claustrophobic. Any Sack steps up in the pocket, he's
holding it, so you just run throwing, bounces around in
the pocket and he sacked. From the sixth time the
Rams have hit the pick six for the sack Sam
bouncing around, looking holding the ball and getting rowing again.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Just throw it back to pass and he's taken down.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
For an eight five eight sacks on Sam Darnald.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
That guy right there, Paul Allen, by the way, are
going to join us at five pm on the radio shows.
Interesting as Hugh Millen rejoins us. Gino Smith was sacked
fifty times a year ago. Sam Donald was sacked forty
eight times, including those disastrous eight quarters to end the year.
But here before we go back to Sam and we'll
get more on that in a second, we into the
converce station last segment with DK Metcalf and what it
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means for Jackson Smith and Jigba how influential whether positive
or negative?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Well, not having DK Metcalf be on JSI in your.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Opinion, Well, Gino Smith last year, when you filter all
the quarterbacks for facing cover six, which is a rolled
coverage where the corner comes down, the safety comes over
the top. But here's the thing about cover six onke
cover two, free access to the other side, not a second.
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So Gino was number two in the NFL. But if
then you filter by weeks and you pull out for
not just Geno but all quarterbacks the two weeks that
DK was out, Now, all of a sudden Gino goes
back to number one, number one quarterback facing cover six.
You know, just off the top of my head, you know,
there's a touchdown pass the JSN had against the Cardinals,
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and it's a red zone and it was a right
formation and DK's on the left side and they're gonna
roll Cover six onto DK. So the corner comes down
on him. He's got he has no free access. He's
gotta he's got to inside or outside of release. And
then once he gets vertical, there's this. Now he's staring
at his safety over the top. You can say it
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was a Buddha baker. I can't remember. But now they
have JSN lined up in the slot on the opposite side,
and the way they did the formations with the trips
and how they lined up, exactly how they lined up.
They have JSN on a safety and operating from the
slot to the right. So he comes up and he
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starts to bend to the post just a step or two.
And if you're coaching that safety, you'd say, dude, you.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You don't you don't need to.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
To uh to go into the uh middle of the
field because you have help from the safety on the
other side. But the safety on the other side is
so far removed to the other sideline because he's he
is he's aligned to be over the top of DK.
That that now the safety on the on the opposite
side of DK he has to honor a post move
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Now JSN he shakes back out to the corner route
and it's wide open, wide open, touchdown.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
I mean he could you know, you could have caught
it with snow the interest of.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Time, then you're you're you're a you're telling me that
there is concern. There's minimal concern about not having DK
metcalf and what that'll mean for Jake, for for for Jackson.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Minimal minimal concern. I think there's at least moderate concern.
I mean, the best corners were traveling, uh to DK.
I'm not going to do the list in the interesting
of time. And I just described you that Gino was
the number one guy. I didn't make this up. It's
right here in the portal, all right on my computer screen.
He's the number one guy facing cover six.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And when he has DK on the field.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
So I just described to you an anecdote so you
could try and visualize what is that me and what
it meant was a very easy touchdown, wide open, great
separation by JSN. But he's working on on the number
two safety. Of course he should beat the number two safety.
They got the coverage they wanted. So it was nice
scheming by Ryan Grubb, But you know, it was the
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predictable that, Hey, if we put DK over here into
the boundary on the left, we're gonna what if Chris
collins Were said, Chris Collinsworth is a very colorful guy.
He said. DK metcalf has the gravitational pull of the sun. Right,
he's invoking planets, and so you know, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Oh, I think that I think there's going to be
a production denigration because DK is not there. I would
ask you, though, can that whatever that denigration is, can
it be made up? Because you have upgraded a quarterback,
we would assume you're going to upgrade an offensive line.
Let's just hope that that happens. And then also JSN
being a third year YE receiver instead of a second
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year wide receiver, you would imagine he would just get
better as a player. So can whatever the denigration is
because they don't have DK there be made up because
of those other factors?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yes, yes, it can. Let's see what they do.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
But I think right now you've got a real concern
about wide receiver. Like wide receiver was a nice like
don't even worry about it position. Now all of a sudden,
it's like, whoa, all hands on deck, they have to
upgrade that. I mean, here you get the middle of
the second round pick real quickly. They got seventeen second
rounders under Snyder. Here's the sixth that in my mind
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were good picks, Golden Tate, Bobby Wagner, Frank Clark, Jaron Reied,
Kenneth Walker, DK Metcalf. Here's the two that were marginal,
Justin Britt and Boy Mafi. Here's the remainder. There were
lousy picks Chris and Michael, Paul Richardson, Dwayne Escuz, Darryl Taylor,
Marquis Player, Marleik mcdal, Ethan Posok, Derek Hall, Zach Sarbonney.
You're batting if if you agree with that, you're batting
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six out of seventeen. That's thirty five percent. So you're
not even close to fifty percent with second rounders. So
you get a mid second round pick like I get.
I went to the Cowboys right after the herschel Walker
thing where they get like, you know, two three number ones,
or I could make an argument that the Brown should
have traded Miles Garrett to get a bounty, But you
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traded the all time freak in the history of your
franchise for a mid second round pick and you can't
even bat but thirty five percent on a hit rate
in the in the second round that you got dk Metcalf.
So so until they prove that they can be better
at and we haven't even talked about how many fails
they've had on the offensive line despite the the uh
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all of the draft value chart that has been expended
on it. So so yeah, these things all can happen
in theory. I know this, you had a playmaker, you
didn't use them, right.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Well, what about the because we got like two minutes left? Okay,
so there's there's really two things I want to get to.
But I'm kind of more curious about the compensation because
you made it clear with Dick last segment that you
would have paid him the thirty whatever million dollars you
would have kept him for that contract. So I went
back and looked at the the Fritz schermer Heimlich maneuver
or whatever the hell it's called draft chart that gives
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you all the points and all that stuff. The difference
between the points that the Seahawks got for DK and
what they gave up is two hundred and eighty five points.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I mean, excuse me.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
The difference between what they got for DK what they
got for Gino, I apologize, is two eighty five. That
equates to a mid sixth round draft pick. Is the
difference between what they got for Gino and what they
got for DK. And it's not even counting the swap
of the sixth and seventh rounders, which is certainly coming
and with no details on that very soon. So I'm
watching this trade compensation thinking did they get too much
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for Gino?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Or do they get too little for Dk? Metcalf? What
do you make of the compense they got.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
H Well, it's hard for me to say. I think
everything fit really nicely for Seattle with DK going to
Pittsburgh because he's in the AFC and there's there's uh,
there's no quarterback solution right now, so it's unlikely to
be a situation where Jody Allen is asking, Hey, what happened?
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Why did we do this with dk Metcalf, So I
I have a lot I wonder if they you know,
why didn't you wait till you signed Sam Donald at
least give it a shot to uh, to convince dk
Metcalf to stay with Sam Donald. I mean, you know,
you're talking about every offensive coordinator Clint Kobeak included had
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a plan for using DK.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I just it feels hasty. Put it this way.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I'll just say this, if you're the third highest paid
wide receiver at age twenty seven in the in the league,
it seems like you'd get more. I don't know, you know,
but but but I wasn't involved with the calls, But
it does scratch your head a little bit that he
could get that high of a contract, right, but it
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only took a second round to acquire And that's a
little fishy to me.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
All Right, man, great stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
We'll do it again Friday, unless something breaks, which I
think it certainly will. So be ready, all right, palka rock,
All right, Bud, good stuff. You're milling with us for
a few minutes. There his thoughts on Sam Darnold's thoughts
on Dk Metcalf. Paul Allen, the voice of the Vikings,
who spent last year with Sam in Minneapolis.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
He's gonna join us at five
Joining us right now on the radio show.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
This is exactly why this guy is on the payroll
right here for this exact reason. Days like today, I
often wonder why does that guy still hang around?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Why do we still playing?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Why is he still texting me? Why is he still
bothering me? He just keeps showing up every single year.
Now we know why for days like today, because nobody
does it better than our friend Huey Millen, especially on
legal tampering day in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hue how are you pal?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
I don't know what to make of that intro. I've
been who does more bothering you?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Or me? Probably me? But that's okay. You need in
your life to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Let's just get a quick thirty five thousand foot reaction
to the three of the last four days. I mean,
Geno traded Friday, DK traded Sunday. Today, it's Sam Darnold
coming to Seattle. I mean there's been a pretty big
blow torch taken to this football team by John Schneider
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the last three days.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yeah, it's really been stunning, and you know, just focusing
on the quarterbacks, I just think it's interesting to me
that Gino, you know, I cited the dates this morning,
but you know, in each of the years while he
was a backup, he was on the street for you know,
six weeks, two months, you know, and then basically signed
either at or barely over the minimum. So when really
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there was nobody that wanted him, you know, Pete Carroll
and John Schneider did right. And I do find it
a little interesting that they're clearly seeing signs show that
there was an expectation. I take them at their word.
When you heard Mike McDonald say, hey, Gina is going
to be our quarterback, I think that he felt that
at the time a few weeks ago when he said that,
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and then Gino, you know, he played hardball and he
said he thinks he's worth forty five million ish if
reports are accurate, and the seact we're thinking, no, you're
more like thirty five million ish. And and so I
think that the way that wobbled and the wheels fell
off of that surprised the hell out of me, and
of course leading up to all the other things.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But that's that's the first thought.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Well, I'm happy about both sides of this deal, not
only the financial side, but also I believe that they
got a better quarterback this year than they had last year.
So are you more happy about the Geno to Donald upgrade,
if indeed you feel it as an upgrade, or are
you more happy with the potential paying Gino forty five
million dollars the downgrade to a thirty three million dollar
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price tag in Donald, which Hugh is the third lowest
veteran starting quarterback contract in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Well, I like the finances. I think it's more important
to have the right guy. I mean, if if a guy,
you know, if you got good quarterbacking, I think the difference,
you know, ten million dollars in an ear when what
the cap is what two seventy nine? You can you
can swallow that if you get good quarterback play. I
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think that it's proof. You know, there's a good debate
over who's going to be better Sam Donald for twenty
twenty five or had you kept Geno. I can have
an opinion about that, but I don't think there's much
of a debate that Sam Donald was a better quarterback
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than Gino last year. I mean, the guy was a
you know, first ballot Pro bowler. And what I mean
by that is not all this nonsense alternate stuff. He
was tenth in the MVP voting. He threw for forty
three hundred yards. There's all kinds of numbers that I
cited to you on Friday, where Donald, you know, key
numbers that have high correlation to winning. Where Donald is
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is lapping Gino on a lot of statistics.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And then when you say.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Well, what about the past protection, I think we might
want to explore that, but I think there's some a
lot of divergent facts attendant to that. But nonetheless, I'll
say that darn old, you know, as seven years younger,
he just had a better year. And you know, and
I'll just dave. I know you're eager to get onto
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the next one, but just remember on Sam Donald, he
was drafted in twenty eighteen. He has a June birthday.
He on his draft day he was twenty years old.
He's a red shirt sophomore. He gave up two years
of eligibility at USC and you know, of course goes
to the Jets. And it may be a case that
he's a late developer. I mean, the guy in my
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years of studying quarterbacks, the guy who has changed his
mechanics the most from college to pro is unquestionably Aaron Rodgers.
If you watch Aaron Rodgers at Cal, he used to
hold the ball a way up above his ear. I
mean it was awkward, it looked unnatural, and then for
whatever reason, he dropped it down to his chest and
he had this beautiful release. Well, Sam Donald, I can
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remember him at USC having this big loopy baseball center field,
the home plate wind up at sea and somehow or another,
I guess it was just a slow evolution. But I'm
watching that tape and there is none of that. He
has the polish in terms of how he reads his
mechanics and the lot of things. So so I think
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there's a lot of evidence to say this guy's a
late bloomer.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, there's certainly no doubt that could happen.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
There's also no doubt as possible that he took advantage
of a great situation in Minnesota and he's gonna regress.
So what you saw, I mean, honestly, do you see
a guy that found something in Minnesota?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Or is there a party that wonders man?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
You know, Addison Jefferson, Aaron Jones catching past his Hockinson,
playing inside, playing for O'Connell. He's not gonna have any
of that now in Seattle. Does that concern you in
the slightest.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yes, and yes, you ask me, uh kind of two questions. Yes,
I I think that he may have found something, and yes,
I'm concerned that he didn't. I mean, let's let's look
at you know, those those targets. Arguably the best receiving corps.
I mean, Cincinnati, you know, Jamar Chasen T. Higgins probably
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is the best. You could say the Eagles of DeVante
Smith and AJ Brown, but certainly in the discussion, you know,
JJ is the number one guy. It's really a question
about what you think of Addison. Of course, they had
a very capable tight end and so yeah, and playing
in a dome. Kevin McConnell quarterback, friendly head coach. Yeah,
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there's a lot of things there, but you know, with
a lot of that still in place, the Vikings were
seven and ten the year before. I know, JJ got
hurt and Cousins got hurt. But you know, McConnell, Kevin
O'Connell like to go to fourteen and three. And then
you also consider that, darnold, if you kind of want
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to be charitable, kind of blue sky charitable, not you know,
not like lottery charitable, just kind of like sunny day
charitable to him, you say, all right, the Jets was
as everybody who goes to the Jets is mess. Now,
then he then he goes to Carolina and by the
end of Carolina, because you know he had he had
six starts in.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That last year, goes four and two.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
One of the losses with Tom Brady when Tom Brady
went berserk on him and you know, I don't know,
I'm teen yards and touchdowns. And so then he goes
to San Francisco. All of this, all this is kind
of bacon in the oven, and he gets exposed to
Kyle Shanahan and you know, the premier philosophies of quarterbacking
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and offensive football, you know, just kind of resting watching.
And then he does just enough where the Vikings they say,
let's give this guy a ten million dollar, prove it
one year deal, and he goes to Minnesota. And now
as we stand, he is eighteen and six in his
last twenty four games. And now it's only twenty four games.
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But to put that into context and just to have
some fun that there's only three guys in the history
of football who've been over seventy five percent. Now that's
what sixty starts. That's Auto Graham, that's Darryl Lamonica, and
it's Pat Mahomes and Tom Brady is as point seventy
four to nine. Okay, just a one tenth away from
seventy five percent. So seventy five percent. Again, obviously, I
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know there's a big difference between twenty four and sixty,
But look, twenty four isn't eight. It's not like we're
sitting there saying he's six and two, you know. So
so I think again, there there is some evidence this
guy's found something. And I'm just getting into the tape
study and and you know, maybe we'll talk about just
kind of what that shows.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
But I see a developing quarterback.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
What's the best at Hugh when you do the tape study?
What really jumps out with when you look at Stam
Darnold play.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well, I think that that he had very good pocket
presence in a sense of until the last two games,
in a very similar way to Gino. And in fact,
the pressure rate PFF has Geno's pressure rate at thirty
eight point six and Donald's pressure rate at thirty eight
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point one. Now I'm looking at right at Pro Football Focus.
I'm here, I'm here in numbers all day that I
don't agree with the Pro Football focusing their final numbers
for their offensive line. They had the Vikings offensive line
at eighteen, but they're pass blocking at twenty seventh in
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the league. So the amount that Sam Donald was under
pressure was very similar to Geno, extremely similar. It's just
Sam Donald was a lot better. His passer rating when
pressure was fourth in the league. Geno's was twenty eight.
But what is the tape show? I see a guy
who who really understands the sequencing kind of It's like
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teaching tape this. I'm gonna go three steps, I'm gonna
go hits, I'm gonna read here. My feet are gonna
be tied. If this is open, the ball's coming out.
If this is covered, now I'm going to be going
over to the other side. He plays on rhythm. When
guys are open, he generally hits them. There's an accuracy there,
and you know, it's just clear sign of a veteran
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understanding of NFL concepts, and a concept is two or
more routes, generally on one side of the field. There
can be full field concepts, but you got a concept,
a three man concept to the left. You got a
two man concept to the right. There's certain things that
you see that make you stay on the left side.
There's certain things that make you go to the right.
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And there's a certain way you do it where you say,
I'm not panicking, I'm just staying in rhythm. I'm staying
in the throwing position. So there's some really technically sound
aspects to his game. I mean, the hell, just to
repeat it, who's tenth in the MVP voting?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, well, hu Milin's with us.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
He is our MVP, by the way, every year, by
a mile a little more at four with Hugh right
here on ninety three three. Kjrf M is the legal
tampering period in the NFL's but gone Free agency technically
starts on on Wednesday, when teams can start signing players
and announcing deals. So DK Metcalf Sunday night goes to
the Raiders. You remember, or they excuse me, to the Steelers.
(11:15):
You remember your reaction on draft night when the Seahawks
drafted DK Metcalf. We were all there, right, we all
witnessed what went down in the draft room the night
they drafted DK Metcalf. What was your reaction the night
they traded DK Metcalf for a second round pick to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Well, first of all, that the night had happened. The
Seahawks do such a great job of feeding. And I'd
had a plate whatever the hell I had on I
don't remember what I remember. There was mass potatoes on
that plate and with everybody stomping, And the next scene
is the plate of mass potatoes is on the floor.
Next scene, I'm slipping on the mass potatoes. I'm mortified
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that I've just got a mass potatoes on the carpet.
And I'm and I and I'm drenched in my in
mass potatoes and meanwhile just elated about the acquisition of
DK Metcalf. So one of the more surreal moments.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Of my life.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Sure, now fast forward till last Sunday to yesterday.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Well, I'm I'm I'm frustrated, I'm I'm angry, I'm saddened.
I just say this, We're gonna have to reconcile with
the following. You got DK Metcalf right now stands as
the third highest paid receiver in the NFL at thirty
three million. If on that day, if I went went
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with me and trying to scrape off the mass potatoes
off my clothes. If I would have said to you, Okay,
DK's going to play six years and then he's going
to have the third highest average of all wide receivers
in the NFL, and by the way, the sixth highest
non quarterback, and that's all I told you, would you
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say that things would have been if that's all I
told you, would I say, well, do you think things
have been a success?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Right? Then? If I told you on that day, right.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Sure of course?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Well, okay, of course right.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
And so you're gonna have to reconcile that Omar Kahn,
the the general manager of the Steelers, and certainly with
the blessing of the head coach, the entire coaching staff,
right Mike Tomlin had to be presumably on board with that.
And so now how do you reconcile that with with
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Dk the last season, a full season, out of eighty
qualifying receivers, he had the six seventy six most catchable targets.
So if you take those two facts, those cannot be congruent.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
With one another.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
You have to say, either what either the Steelers are
grossly misguided in what they did, or you have to
say the Seahawks were grossly misguided in what did You
can't those those two facts cannot live in harmony. And
so again you're talking. And by the way, there's three
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defensive ends. There's three wide receivers. At the top six
guys that are non quarterbacks on the NFL salary list
right now. The other five guys are homegrown and they
signed with their guys, right and and the three or
four behind them. By the way, the only one in
the top ten that that didn't get re signed other
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than DK was aj Brown by the Tennessee Titans. And
look what where the Tennessee Titans are right now. They're
drafting first, They're they're just wandering blind it dark in
the in the in the wilderness. So I just I
just think it's you know that that market that was
expressed by this has to at least you know, look,
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I'm not trying everybody. If you're a listener KJR, you
know how I feel about DK. But but just set
how do you reconcile those facts that this guy is
now the third highest paid receiver in the NFL. I mean,
certainly that speaks to uh, you know how the rest
of the league feels about I.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Know how to reconcile it. He was overpaid.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Would you have given Dk metcalf thirty three million dollars
year twelve percent of.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
The Yes, and I would have, and I would have
I would have thrown Look.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
No, I don't care who it is you unless it
Jars Jefferson.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I'm not giving anyone.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I know this is not the comment. You're going to
cut the snarky comments going on forever. I got it.
Everybody knows that I got it. Okay, So obviously johnes
I beg your pardon. John agrees he didn't want to
pay him that much. Yeah, yeah he did, and obviously
uh that the Steelers look and say, you guys didn't
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know how to use him and Troy Aikman when he
did broadcast, he says, I don't understand why they don't
throw the balls uh to DK more often and throw
it deep to him at least once in a quarter.
When Chris, when you have Mike FLOORI on and he says, yeah,
I'm talking to Chris Simms, and Chris Simms is saying
that I don't understand why the Seahawks don't throw the
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ball to DK metcalf more. Look, I'm going to take
the account of guys that actually watched the game tape
and know what they're looking at when they when they
look at the game tape as opposed to you know,
you take it right now, you say you got JSN,
and look the irony dick you and I were on.
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We were talking right when they drafted JASN. It's like
the one time I ever predicted a Seahawk first round,
you and I, it's got to be JASN, Like that's
the only time. Like I'm a big JASN dude. But
you know, if you just eliminate wide receiver screens, because
JSN was fifth in the NFL in yards from wide
receiver screens. If I'm looking right at this, this filter
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from the NFL portal, and the one of those filters
I put in target pass route group wide receiver screens
and inverted, so I take out that that that little
mouse click that says invert. It takes out wide wide
receiver screens. Only receiving yards per game. You got, JSN
is at fifty seven last year DK was at sixty four.
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So you know you look at the numbers, Well if
you forget that, well a lot, a lot of that
was just wide receiver screens because DK's blocking for JSN,
and then the other part that DK was hard in
missed a couple games.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
So he.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Just stop right there because I want to dive into
that next. He and I or Dick and I talked
about that last segment about what DK Metcalf not being
here is going to mean for Jackson Smith and Jigba.
How big of a blow to him is not having
fourteen So hold that thought. We'll come back more with
Hugh next on ninety three to three kJ RFM.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Live from the R and R Foundation Specialists Broadcast Studio.
Now back to Softie and Dick on your Home for
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three kjr F.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
Darnald steps away from pressure up for a second, but
then he is sack Donald back to pass the pocket
is claustrophobic. Any Sack steps up in the pocket, he's
holding it, so you just run throwing, bounces around in
the pocket and he sacked. From the sixth time the
Rams have hit the pick six for the sack Sam
bouncing around, looking holding the ball and getting rowing again.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Just throw it back to pass and he's taken down.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
For an eight five eight sacks on Sam Darnald.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
That guy right there, Paul Allen, by the way, are
going to join us at five pm on the radio shows.
Interesting as Hugh Millen rejoins us. Gino Smith was sacked
fifty times a year ago. Sam Donald was sacked forty
eight times, including those disastrous eight quarters to end the year.
But here before we go back to Sam and we'll
get more on that in a second, we into the
converce station last segment with DK Metcalf and what it
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means for Jackson Smith and Jigba how influential whether positive
or negative?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Well, not having DK Metcalf be on JSI in your.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Opinion, Well, Gino Smith last year, when you filter all
the quarterbacks for facing cover six, which is a rolled
coverage where the corner comes down, the safety comes over
the top. But here's the thing about cover six onke
cover two, free access to the other side, not a second.
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So Gino was number two in the NFL. But if
then you filter by weeks and you pull out for
not just Geno but all quarterbacks the two weeks that
DK was out, Now, all of a sudden Gino goes
back to number one, number one quarterback facing cover six.
You know, just off the top of my head, you know,
there's a touchdown pass the JSN had against the Cardinals,
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and it's a red zone and it was a right
formation and DK's on the left side and they're gonna
roll Cover six onto DK. So the corner comes down
on him. He's got he has no free access. He's
gotta he's got to inside or outside of release. And
then once he gets vertical, there's this. Now he's staring
at his safety over the top. You can say it
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was a Buddha baker. I can't remember. But now they
have JSN lined up in the slot on the opposite side,
and the way they did the formations with the trips
and how they lined up, exactly how they lined up.
They have JSN on a safety and operating from the
slot to the right. So he comes up and he
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starts to bend to the post just a step or two.
And if you're coaching that safety, you'd say, dude, you.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You don't you don't need to.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
To uh to go into the uh middle of the
field because you have help from the safety on the
other side. But the safety on the other side is
so far removed to the other sideline because he's he
is he's aligned to be over the top of DK.
That that now the safety on the on the opposite
side of DK he has to honor a post move
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Now JSN he shakes back out to the corner route
and it's wide open, wide open, touchdown.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
I mean he could you know, you could have caught
it with snow the interest of.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Time, then you're you're you're a you're telling me that
there is concern. There's minimal concern about not having DK
metcalf and what that'll mean for Jake, for for for Jackson.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Minimal minimal concern. I think there's at least moderate concern.
I mean, the best corners were traveling, uh to DK.
I'm not going to do the list in the interesting
of time. And I just described you that Gino was
the number one guy. I didn't make this up. It's
right here in the portal, all right on my computer screen.
He's the number one guy facing cover six.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And when he has DK on the field.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
So I just described to you an anecdote so you
could try and visualize what is that me and what
it meant was a very easy touchdown, wide open, great
separation by JSN. But he's working on on the number
two safety. Of course he should beat the number two safety.
They got the coverage they wanted. So it was nice
scheming by Ryan Grubb, But you know, it was the
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predictable that, Hey, if we put DK over here into
the boundary on the left, we're gonna what if Chris
collins Were said, Chris Collinsworth is a very colorful guy.
He said. DK metcalf has the gravitational pull of the sun. Right,
he's invoking planets, and so you know, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Oh, I think that I think there's going to be
a production denigration because DK is not there. I would
ask you, though, can that whatever that denigration is, can
it be made up? Because you have upgraded a quarterback,
we would assume you're going to upgrade an offensive line.
Let's just hope that that happens. And then also JSN
being a third year YE receiver instead of a second
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year wide receiver, you would imagine he would just get
better as a player. So can whatever the denigration is
because they don't have DK there be made up because
of those other factors?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yes, yes, it can. Let's see what they do.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
But I think right now you've got a real concern
about wide receiver. Like wide receiver was a nice like
don't even worry about it position. Now all of a sudden,
it's like, whoa, all hands on deck, they have to
upgrade that. I mean, here you get the middle of
the second round pick real quickly. They got seventeen second
rounders under Snyder. Here's the sixth that in my mind
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were good picks, Golden Tate, Bobby Wagner, Frank Clark, Jaron Reied,
Kenneth Walker, DK Metcalf. Here's the two that were marginal,
Justin Britt and Boy Mafi. Here's the remainder. There were
lousy picks Chris and Michael, Paul Richardson, Dwayne Escuz, Darryl Taylor,
Marquis Player, Marleik mcdal, Ethan Posok, Derek Hall, Zach Sarbonney.
You're batting if if you agree with that, you're batting
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six out of seventeen. That's thirty five percent. So you're
not even close to fifty percent with second rounders. So
you get a mid second round pick like I get.
I went to the Cowboys right after the herschel Walker
thing where they get like, you know, two three number ones,
or I could make an argument that the Brown should
have traded Miles Garrett to get a bounty, But you
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traded the all time freak in the history of your
franchise for a mid second round pick and you can't
even bat but thirty five percent on a hit rate
in the in the second round that you got dk Metcalf.
So so until they prove that they can be better
at and we haven't even talked about how many fails
they've had on the offensive line despite the the uh
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all of the draft value chart that has been expended
on it. So so yeah, these things all can happen
in theory. I know this, you had a playmaker, you
didn't use them, right.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Well, what about the because we got like two minutes left? Okay,
so there's there's really two things I want to get to.
But I'm kind of more curious about the compensation because
you made it clear with Dick last segment that you
would have paid him the thirty whatever million dollars you
would have kept him for that contract. So I went
back and looked at the the Fritz schermer Heimlich maneuver
or whatever the hell it's called draft chart that gives
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you all the points and all that stuff. The difference
between the points that the Seahawks got for DK and
what they gave up is two hundred and eighty five points.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I mean, excuse me.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
The difference between what they got for DK what they
got for Gino, I apologize, is two eighty five. That
equates to a mid sixth round draft pick. Is the
difference between what they got for Gino and what they
got for DK. And it's not even counting the swap
of the sixth and seventh rounders, which is certainly coming
and with no details on that very soon. So I'm
watching this trade compensation thinking did they get too much
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for Gino?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Or do they get too little for Dk? Metcalf? What
do you make of the compense they got.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
H Well, it's hard for me to say. I think
everything fit really nicely for Seattle with DK going to
Pittsburgh because he's in the AFC and there's there's uh,
there's no quarterback solution right now, so it's unlikely to
be a situation where Jody Allen is asking, Hey, what happened?
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Why did we do this with dk Metcalf, So I
I have a lot I wonder if they you know,
why didn't you wait till you signed Sam Donald at
least give it a shot to uh, to convince dk
Metcalf to stay with Sam Donald. I mean, you know,
you're talking about every offensive coordinator Clint Kobeak included had
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a plan for using DK.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I just it feels hasty. Put it this way.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I'll just say this, if you're the third highest paid
wide receiver at age twenty seven in the in the league,
it seems like you'd get more. I don't know, you know,
but but but I wasn't involved with the calls, But
it does scratch your head a little bit that he
could get that high of a contract, right, but it
(27:13):
only took a second round to acquire And that's a
little fishy to me.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
All Right, man, great stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
We'll do it again Friday, unless something breaks, which I
think it certainly will. So be ready, all right, palka rock,
All right, Bud, good stuff. You're milling with us for
a few minutes. There his thoughts on Sam Darnold's thoughts
on Dk Metcalf. Paul Allen, the voice of the Vikings,
who spent last year with Sam in Minneapolis.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
He's gonna join us at five
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