Softy & Dick 3-6 Hour 1: DK value, Bob Nightengale, Fun w/ Audio, Everett Fitzhugh

DK Metcalf day is over and that means we get to dive into what Justin Turner told USA Today. The Mariners are getting national attention and it's not in a good way. Perhaps it gives Seattle baseball fans comfort to know they're not alone in what they've witnessed over the last year. Bob Nightengale, USA Today wrote the story about the Mariners that included the critical quotes from Justin Turner. He explains what Seattle didn't do and the potential reasons why. Softy and Dick react to what Bob told them. Fun with Audio! Jared Allen rips the Jets, Stephen A Smith on the GOAT debate and a random interview with Celine Dion. Dianna Russini says there is no way the Seahawks will get what they'd want for DK Metcalf. Softy and Dick discuss what this means for his future in Seattle. Everett Fitzhugh, Voice of the Kraken joins to preview the game tonight against the Predators and give us his thoughts on the trades that happened, and what more could occur.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
No from the Star Rentals sports to us Jordan ninety
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Alright both and girls, here we go.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Headlines on ZAFTI in Dick without Jackson, Jessemins in for
Jackson today until four thirty. Yeah, exactly, I just a plunge, unbelievable.
He'll be back. He's got to work the cracking game
tonight anyway. Headlines on Softie in Dick with Jessamon in
for Jackson bright to of course by our friends at
frostpred Corps, like she's chill baby Jackson. News in the

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NFL just came down. The Jets are releasing tight end
Evan Ingram. Yesterday it was dk Metcalf asking for a trade.
Today the Bengals granting the trade request of star defensive
end Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
And another field big money wide receiver experiment is over,
the Jags trading Christian Kirk to Houston for a massive
haul a twenty twenty six seventh round draft pick. The
Jags gave Kirk a four year, seventy two million dollars deal.
In twenty twenty two. We averaged seven hundred yards a season.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
That was too much money from this start doing for him.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Mitch Morris Jaguar Center, retiring after ten years in the NFL.
The Huskies, how about this clinching last place in the
Big ten Lasday with a ninety two to sixty one
loss at usc We got to talk about that.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
That is not good. Lost five in a row, three
of their last. They're three and seven their last ten.
They'll wrap it up against the Ducks on Sunday at
twelve o'clock.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
And the agent for Ernest Jones says the cleanup of
the knee for Jones is quote the best thing to
happen to him since his trade to Seattle, all right,
and that the doctors fixed and issues he's had for years.
Seahawks did make a move today They re signed cornerback
Josh Job, keeping him off the free agent market that
starts next week.

Speaker 6 (01:39):
There we go, and now to goofy Waco out of
touch Homers.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Just three the radio, just for forty one yards from
Elliot Day.

Speaker 7 (01:52):
Can you feel it? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
This is softy and due. All right, here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
We got a busy and busy Thursday, short Thursday at
Powerpacks because we got cracking hockey pre game four to thirty,
face off five o'clock from Nashville. Everett fits you, not
evertt fits me, not evert fits us, not evert fits him,
or ever fits her, evert fits you. Will join us
coming up at about four to fifteen from Nashville. Bob
Nightingale is going to join us from USA today today,

(02:19):
coming up round three twenty. He was the one that
wrote the article on the Mariners and their lack of
spending over the offseason. Got the quote from Justin Turner
that we did not talk about yesterday because yesterday was
a DK Metcalf day on the radio show. But the
reprieve that the Mariners got on the Justin Turner conversation
is now over. That lasted one day and now we

(02:41):
can jump right into it. So I think by now
most people have seen this quote from Justin Turner. Justin
Turner was a guy that when he came here, I
think a lot of people were talking about the Mariners
bring him back. You know, hey, why not resign him?
You got a Rose Arena, you got Roe bless why
not go out and bring back Justin Turner instead. I
don't think the Mariners even made him an offer, and
if they did, it was so weak it wasn't even

(03:02):
considered by anybody, and he ends up re signing or signing,
excuse me, with the Cubs on a one year deal
for like six million bucks. So Justin Turner spoke to
Bob Nightingale and again, Bob's gonna join us in about
fifteen minutes from now, says quote. The fact that they
missed the playoffs by one game, did not go out
and add an impact bat or two when you have
the best pitching staff in baseball, just seems absurd to me,

(03:25):
says Justin Turner. Honestly, as much as I wanted to
be back there, if I was the only piece they
brought back in, I would be saying the same thing,
what the hell are we doing?

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Are you trying?

Speaker 3 (03:37):
There's not going to be a better time to go
for it, So I don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I'm very confused.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
It's a head scratcher for me, says Justin Turner, to
which I would say to him, join the club, pal,
we're all in the same club to be got together.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
You're preaching to the choir here.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
And I said this a few weeks ago, maybe even
a few months ago, that I've noticed for the first
time in a law time. The Mariners are starting to
get some attention on the national scale, and not in
a good way, by the way, Like typically the Mariners
are kind of irrelevant. They don't get talked about a
lot across the country. We're buried up here in the
Pacific Northwest. You know, games are starting at ten o'clock

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on the East Coast when people are going to bed.
It's not La the second biggest market in the country.
We don't have Otani the way the Dodgers do, or
La La Land the way the Angels do. It's kind
of a different story up here when you fight for
attention when it comes to baseball, and now they're getting
the attention, Dick, but they're getting it in a bad way.
Nightingale's talking about him, Rosenthal's talking about him. John Paul

(04:37):
Morosi is talking about him. There's a lot of national
writers that are almost offended by the mariners lack of
action over the offseason, and all of them say the
same thing. You've got this phenomenal pitching staff, how can
you let it go to waste? And look, maybe the
Mariners will make the playoffs because the division is so
damn bad and they got a shot to get in,
and once they do get in with this rotation, it

(05:00):
can obviously potentially do some damage.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
But I think it's kind of cool, to be honest
with you.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
There's a lot of people on the national level that
are and I don't know how else to say this,
so I'll just say it, kind of speaking for the
Mariner fans out here that really don't have much of
a voice.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, when it comes to.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
The rest of the country, we're there, the Major League
Baseball version of the Dallas Mavericks right now. The rest
of the country is just looking at the ownership and
the organization and going what the hell.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Now on the same level of attention.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
But you're right, and they're working at the fan base
and we're commiserating with us, like wow, I mean, you
guys are really getting shafted up there with a really
good team. And look at the quote from Turner in
this USA Today article quote, this might be the best
starting five pitchers in the history of the game.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
That's right, that's right, This is justin Turner, this is justin.
I mean, find me a better five man. He says.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
There's obviously been teams that have three elite guys, maybe
four elite guys, but how about five? And then the article,
you know, nine goes on to talk about the eighty
eight Mets, Droy Good and Run Darling, David Cone, Baboheata,
sind Ferniz.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I still remember that starting five.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
So that kind of puts in perspective, because I think
we sometimes here get a little spoiled with what we
have and we realize it's good. But I don't think
most of us, including me, after reading this, realize it
might be historically good.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Well, I don't know how we can be spoiled when
we haven't won Jack Squat.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
We're talking about spoiled with the arm we put on
the bump every single game, but nobody's pumping their chests
out because they're pissed about the baseball team.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I mean spoiled in regards to the Seahawks. They were
winning championships and division titles and making the playoffs every
single damn year. But this team's made the playoffs one
time with this rotation. I mean, I would not say
we're spoiled whatsoever. I think we're beyond frustrating. Maybe I
use the wrong word.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
I mean I'm talking about I'm talking about I don't
realize what we have. Maybe we're taking for grant, I
should say, versus spoil, taking for grant the fact that
we have a top twenty starter in Baseball one hundred
and sixty two times if everybody stays healthy well.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
And again, I mean, I understand what you're trying to say.
I guess I would just say I'm not taking it
for granted whatsoever. And that's exactly why I'm so ticked off,
right because you've got this unbelievable opportunity here that you're wasting.
And you mentioned the rest of that quote from Justin Turner.
He said, there's never going to be a better time

(07:28):
in the history of that franchise to have added a
couple of bats to make a run this year, and
they missed it. I thought Alonzo was a slam dunk.
How can you not go after him? Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
And I don't think they even went after him.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
I mean, I think Justin Turner is right that he's
signed a one year or a two year deal with
the Mets to go back there.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Alonzo. I don't think it was just oh no, it
was when it was a.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Short term deal, whatever it was, it was a nothing
burger contract and the Mariners didn't even.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Get those it was two years fifty four.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, but again for a guy like that, you know,
for twenty seven million dollars, I mean, that's that's nothing
burger by today's standards. You're not locking yourself in long
term in case things don't work out. You're still not
paying your pitching staff much money. I think you're spending
like thirty five million total whatever it is on your
pitching staff, and Luis Castillo's making like twenty five of that.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
So there's never been a better time. Sea Linzel is
the twenty fourth highest paid price.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah, I mean, come on, right, you know, and who knows,
maybe the guy would have come here and he would
have been a bum, right, you know, in this stadium,
hitting here, Who knows what would have happened. But I
do think that there is a frustration from the pitchings
or the fan base that we do realize what we
do have, and that's why people are so damn angry
about this thing.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
We're gonna get going here.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Look, the Mariners start three weeks from tonight against the
A's is twenty one days away against the Oakland A's
and I'd just be curious on the text line, we're
not going to get the testimonials of four to forty
five because we'll be in crack and pregame. What's your
attitude towards this baseball team right now? Like my attitude
is I'm kind of confused now, Like I've gone from
being bitter about the way things ended a year ago.

(09:04):
I've gone from being bitter about what they did not
do over the off season to just continually scratching my
head and confused as to what this baseball team is
trying to accomplish. I mean, are we actually sitting here
telling each other that they are a poverty franchise right now?
And people use that term on social media all the time,

(09:25):
Right You're a poverty franchise?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Like are they broke? Honestly?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Like this root sports thing? Did it just bust them financially?
When we talk about and we mentioned this dick two
weeks ago, the biggest movie you made over the offseason
financially was committing seven million dollars to Worry Polanco. That's
the biggest move you made was signing your own guide
back off a knee injury, who was terrible last year.

(09:49):
Who was two games away from being a two hundred hitter.
That was your big investment over the offseason. So are
they busted financially? Are they just in the poorhouse right now?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Maybe they don't have any disposable income. It's one thing
to be a billionaire, but I mean, how much how
much of all the money you have, Dave, is actually liquid?

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Not a lot of it, not a lot of it. Yeah,
And so I mean, just.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
You know, multiply you know, multiply that by the million
more dollars that John Stanton and his ownership group has
than us. I mean, there's probably not a lot of
liquid assets there to be paying salary.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
And I don't know what his commitments are financially, right,
I don't know what he has locked himself into. I
don't know what he's doing or what you know, Larson's doing.
I mean, none of us know, right, you know what
these guys are doing with their financial commitments and their
investments and you know all that stuff. But it just
kind of seems to me that there is absolute reason
for massive concern about where this ownership group is at.

(10:48):
And I'm not saying that baseball is going to force
them to sell this thing, because that's crazy. They're still
spending one hundred and fifty million dollars whatever it is.
This is not the A's. I mean, my god, if
if the owners are going to allow John Fisher, is
that right of the A's. If the other owners are
going to allow John Fisher to run the A's into
the ground and then have them play in a minor

(11:09):
league baseball stadium.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
In sammer match, they'll let the Mariners do whatever the hell.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
They do the Major League Baseball.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
The Mariners on the problem.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
They're a middle range payroll team, and like, like now,
we do treat the Mariners like their twenty ninth in
baseball right like as a.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Fan because of their pitching staff. That's exactly why, because
of their pitching staff. If their pitching staff wasn't so
damn good, I don't think a lot of us would
be ranting and raving about you've got to go out
and spend some money.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I mean, I think a lot of us would.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
You're right, Dick, But with this pitching staff, it changes
the equation for everyone. Because we're gonna wake up one day,
like you just said, spoiled whatever, We're gonna wake up
one day and these guys aren't gonna be here gone,
or they're gonna be hurt, which they weren't a year ago.
We're gonna break. Bob Nightingale is gonna hop on and
give us this perspective. After he spoke to Justin Turner.
Next on ninety three three KJRFM, this.

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Speaker 2 (12:12):
Now with Cracking Game Day, here's Sufty and Dick.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
All right, Beck here, thank you on a busy, busy
Thursday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Right here on ninety three.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
To three KJRFM, Mariners get going three weeks from tonight,
Cracking get going tonight four to thirty in Nashville against
the press, faced off at five. But at the time
you have a National Baseball rider who is I think
speaking in some ways the same language the fan bases.
We want to get that guy on the air and
see what's going on. Our old friend, longtime friend from

(12:43):
USA today one of the best out there, Hall of
Famer Bob Nightingale, joins us right now on the radio show, Bob,
Welcome back to KJR. How are you, man, Yeah, I'm
doing great.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Thank you good.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Thanks for doing this. Man, appreciate you coming on. You
got the money quote from Justin Turner the other day.
A lot of us obviously agree with what Justin said
about the Mariners not going out and spending money.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Why don't we just.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Kind of get your reaction overall to from thirty five
thousand feet fifty thousand feet everything happening here in Seattle. Man,
you have this phenomenal pitching staff, but an ownership group that,
for whatever reason does not seem to want to supplement
it with at least a manageable offense and make a
run at the first World Series in franchise history.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Yeah. I think what Justin turn was saying kind of
speaking for you know, the current players that you know,
they really can't say anything without you know, suffering some
repercussions there. And just you had you had that you know,
that starting rotation which is electric last year great bulk
in and you watching the playoffs, he said, Man, the
marriage should be in a World Series. Uh, you know,

(13:50):
and that pig staff they could have been you know,
could have beaten anybody, uh, you know, solely could have
won the Pennant and got to World Series. It's just,
you know, you got to advantage when you have a
staff that good and that talented and they all stayed healthy.
You know, it's almost like, you know, the waste of
the year. It's like, so everything everything did went for
not just because they didn't have that offense to support it.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Well, it's interesting in the article, I mean, they were
justin Turner called at one of the great rotations of
all time. I'd love to get your take on that.
You've been covering this game for a long long time.
Is this rotation truly historically good, like they're talking Orioles
and eighties Mets and those type of things, or is
it just kind of recently good.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Twenty twenty is good.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
I think more, you know, recently good, I mean used
to great arms, all healthy and of course you know,
you know they don't have those wins because they weren't
get the offense, so they weren't you know, winning games,
like you know, the four Gasal Oriols that year all
twenty game winners. You know, obviously the Atlanta had three
Hall of Famers and the next Smallton glabn uh, you

(14:56):
know drop off. You know, yes, stev Avery for a while,
but you know drop off. But yeah, just in today's game,
and what's happened, you know with everybody. I think the
Brewers used nineteen pitchers last year they won the division.
That today's game that goes just through six to six starters,
and to be healthy in that dominant you just don't

(15:16):
see that, you know, and you wonder, you know, you
you'll see it again. I'd answer here too, it's like,
what's the odds of that Marin rotation staying healthy for
second great year.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
That's a great point.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Dick and I have both talked about that that not
only were you great a year ago, but you were
healthy and you may not be healthy again this year.
I mean at some point, you know, sooner or later,
the odds say somebody is going to get nicked up
and banged up and have a long stint on the il.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
So we'll hope that doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
But Bob, it was the first time we kind of
ran the numbers, a first time since two thousand and
eight that a team led the American League in e
er and did not make the playoffs in an era
where it's easier now than ever to make the playoffs.
So that is what's frustrating for us. But I guess
the question is why why aren't they spending money? Is
it because they just don't have the passion to win

(16:03):
a championship?

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Are they being frugal?

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Is there something financially going on behind the scenes with
these owners privately that we don't know about. Why would
they not spend the money it takes to help this
pitching staff out.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
Yeah, I mean I don't know why that is. I mean,
they're what about eighty million dollars to load of luxury tax,
you know, so that's not it. Uh, you know, I
would think their TV contract is pretty it's pretty solid,
you know, better than most for sure, get very good
at tenants. You know, they're not pouring money, you know,
into a bunch of better things like you know, soccer

(16:38):
teams and stuff like that. So yeah, I don't know
what the uh you know what it is. I'm obviously
I'm not going to open the books and say how
much money they're making, but it's just surprising to you know,
for them to have a payroll you know, about one
hundred million dollars less than San Diego. In San Diego's
a much smaller market.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
What did they offer Justin Turner, if every if anything?
And are you aware of any of their bats that
they actually tried to get, either in free agency or
via trade in the off season?

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Now, I know they talked too well Philadelphia, you know
about theirs their basement, Alan Bohm. But I knew the
you know, phill He's asking for guys like Brian Wu
and things like that. So they were asking for a
steep package. I don't know what the offered Turner, but
he never came close to game thing. You never thought
he got offered for what for what he is worth.

(17:28):
So I don't know you know what the deal was.
But you know, even Turner says, hey, you know, do
you sign me? They need more than that. You know,
it's not like he uh you know, uh, he's won
soda or something, and you know, talking to uh uh,
you know, the agent Scott Boris, you said there was
never a single offer for an those guys you know,
obviously not Persono, but for Breugnam, you know, or for Penelonzo.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Well, I want to get your thoughts on Hori Polanco
Bob Nightingales with us again from USA today, because I
think the Polanco thing is fine if it's an addition two,
three or four other players, Right like if they went
out and got Alonzo and made a deal for Bomb
or whatever, and then say, you know what, we kind
of feel like maybe Polonko had just a bad knee
and had a bad year, and we really think he's
a better player than that. Fine, bring him back, But

(18:13):
to make him the crown jewel at least financially, Bob,
of your off season is comical. I mean, what is
your take on what we should expect from Hore Polonko
coming off a terrible year and coming off knee surgery
and now playing third base, where he's played twenty five
games in his life.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
Yeah, I think everybody expected in the baseball industry expected
the Marions to being much more aggressive of that. So, okay,
just wasting that year with the pisching, you know, you
can't do that again, and they did. I got to
think they're just relying on what happened in September with
Dan Wilson and Edker. You know, they have you know,
new hitting coach and Kevin Seisser that those guys would

(18:55):
make a difference. So putting a lot of burning on
those guys. Okay, we saw what happened with the offense
a September. Let's let's have you guys do the same
thing next six months of this year.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
How much are you a buyer in that trio that
Dan Wilson cites are Edgar Martinez trio and the fact
that what we saw in August and September can actually
translate into a full season.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Yeah, when you talk to scouts, they say they most
misleading times of year is spring training in September just
was you know, September collapse and people you know, not
in the race, that sort of thing. But talking to
players and you know, even talking to Justin Turner, they said,
just the presence that Dan Wilson had, they just simplified
the approach.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
They said, they're kind of bogged down with numbers and
everything else. So they think he'll make a big difference
in particularly having Eggar Martinez, you know, being around and
doing his input as well. So you know, we'll see, uh,
you know, maybe you know, if they make the playoffs
and field they want have to say that they had
to spend money. If they're is relying on what happened

(20:02):
September to have a momentum carry over this year, and
they've had a nice spring offensively well.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Bob night and goes with us and Bob just one
more for me.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
I think typically when fans and people like us talk
about reasons why a baseball team could make the playoffs,
you know, we'll talk about because of the players they have,
like their pitchers, their hitters, whatever. But one of the
big reasons why I think we believe that is because
they play in the division in the AL West. I mean,
the AO West is almost like an ally for them.
I mean they won eighty five games a year ago

(20:30):
and they finished three games back behind the Houston Astros.
So how good is this division? And could a eighty
seven to eighty eight win Mariner team or even Astro
team or anybody Texas Ranger team win this division again?

Speaker 5 (20:45):
Yeah, I don't think you need ninety wins there, really don't.
I think the divisions down just basically, Hey, Houston is
lost Ragman and in Kyle Tucker. I expect Texas to
bounce back. I think they'd be better team a year ago.
You know, Oakland's getting better, but there's still that, you know,
a playoff contender, but it's certainly a winnable division, that's
the thing. And you know, playing those teams, you know,

(21:06):
thirteen times is a whole lot better than having to
go to the Al East and trying to survive that.
So you know, on paper, you know, the Mariners should
be in the playoffs. Then you're in the playoffs with
that pitching, right, that's all you need, right, And I
think that's why everybody in baseball last year was saying, Man,
if the Manors just get in, get in, they could

(21:28):
be as dangerous as any team out.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
There, no question. Bob, great stuff. Man, appreciate the insight
and the visit. You can find Bob on Twitter at
b Nightingale. By the way, great stuff, Bob, and we'll
talk soon.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Man.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Appreciate this pal.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
My pleasure. Thank you guys.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
You bet man, Bob night and goal with us.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
And I mean, I'm like just honestly trying to parse
this thing out and this is more just you and
I have on a conversation obviously, but like I'm looking
at the text line, it's blowing up and you guys
are stupid. The Mariners made four hundred million dollars last year.
And I get that. I'm just really besides the two
ops ones and this is why they don't go why
they did not go out this year and spend a

(22:05):
little more to take advantage of the starting pitching staff. Right,
So besides either A they don't care about winning. I
don't believe that championship. B don't have the money, what
would option C be? Option C would be this is
the way we build our team. This is our blueprint,

(22:25):
and we stick with it. That's options. Okay, whether you
like that or not, that's option See. So where is
the evidence that that approach has worked for them?

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Well, it's only partially worked. It's half worked. I would
say it's never worked. Well, it's worked for half the team.
Can you put that into a percentage fifty four?

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah, that's funny, which is actually about how built this
team is.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
It's it's about a fifty four percent. Well, but who
cares if you're not winning?

Speaker 7 (22:51):
Right?

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Like, I mean again, I get what you're trying to
say that they've built a pitching staff that way, and
that's fine, But if you're not making the playoffs consistently,
and you're not making the World Series every now and then,
or God forbid winning a championship, which apparently maybe that's
not allowed out here. Maybe we don't get to do
that in Seattle. You know who cares? I mean option
C would be we think we know how to do this.

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But again, even option C, if you say we need
to build through the draft, we want to build through
our own minor league system, You're not going to spend
money on a free agent because that's going to kill
your budget. That again goes back to a refusal to
spend the money or not wanting to spend the money.

(23:33):
If a guy doesn't work out, you cut him, bite
the bullet, you move on.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
What did you say?

Speaker 3 (23:37):
They're ninety million dollars underneath the luxury tax I mean
they're nowhere near it. Nowhere near the luxury tax I mean,
this is like crazy. So to me, it just comes
back down to the two main options. Either A, you
don't care or B you don't have to cash. And
when you say you don't buy option A, hey, look
there's a part of me that has a hard time

(23:58):
buying that as well. Right, wake up and you think
about a guy or a gal that owns a baseball team,
how in the world.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Can you not care about winning?

Speaker 3 (24:05):
But we do know that there's the owner that really
desperately wants to win a championship the most, and then
there's the one that maybe doesn't have that passion at
the bottom. Somebody's got to be at the top, and
somebody has to.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Be at the bottom.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
And really list there only looks like a three or
four owners that are really at the top of that list.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
I mean they're spending.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
All the money.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Well, they're spending the money that they have, right we
know that, Like for example, I don't know the guy
that owns the Royals or the guy that owns.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
The Twins or whatever, the Target guy or the guy.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
That owns the I mean, I have no idea how
much money they have, how much they're worth.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I do know that the.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Mariners have made some money, and the Mariners bringing revenue,
the Mariners bringing fans. I mean, Millan did the whole
you know dollar amount per fan, right they did.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
But well we don't know is how much they lose
on a yearly basis with their TV deal.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
We don't. We don't know that.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
And if that's the problem, then they made a major mistake. Yes,
they made a major mistake with the root sports thing.
So I just know this that the fans and I
think the majority of the media are tired of making
excuses for them. You know, we've been doing this. I've
been sitting here for thirty one years, as have you,
and it's the same tired argument every single year, and
people looking for reasons why the Mariners don't win, the

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excuses that fly out of this radio station and out
of certain members of the media's pie holes, and even
in some ways the fan base, by the way, are
the same as they were twenty five thirty years ago.
Every now and then they'll pop and have a couple
of good year run like they did in the nineties
or the early two thousands. But it's the same tired
act over and over and over again. And maybe this

(25:36):
is the year where they do pop Dick. Maybe winning
eighty seven eighty eight games will be enough. Maybe they'll
get a bounce back year from Crawford, a bounce back
year from Julio, maybe Garver Hanneger does something worthwhile and
it's enough. But my concerns about the team are the
exact same concerns that you have that you got through.
You know, people call the Mariner rotation kind of a unicorn, right.

(25:58):
What they did last year health wise was also a unicorn.
I'm very worried they weren't banged up at all. Very
worried about that.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
And I think everything I do believe the offense will
be better this year.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
They have to be, they have to be.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
But but the offensive improvement, I'm worried will be nullified
by you know, George Kirby going on a couple of
DL stints. Sure, you know, another two injuries in the
bullpen that we had last year.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'm just worried that everything, and and.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
What about someone just backing off on their performance simply
it will end up being is this team is absolutely
built to be an eighty eight win baseball team.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
That is what they will end up being.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Because they'll win some of the games that they shouldn't win,
they lose some of the games they shouldn't lose.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
It'll all all, it'll.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
All even out, and they'll be about eighty eight wins.
And we're gonna be sitting here sweating the last week
of the season because Seattle, Texas, and Houston will all
be separated by two games with seven to play, and
one team is gonna be guaranteed to be in one
may be a while cardon one's gonna be out.

Speaker 7 (27:01):
Well.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
The concern, like.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Last September, was that the offense was gonna get better,
but the pitching staff was going to tire out.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
And that's exactly what happened, right.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
The offense got a little better, a lot better in
some ways actually, but the pitching staff tired out. You know,
for whatever reason, they couldn't. They couldn't do it for
six months. And I think if you had that concern
going into last August and September, then you certainly should
have that concern going into twenty twenty five that they're
just not going to be able to put it together

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the same way.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Look, if they do it again and.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Lead the league in EER for what I guess it'd
be three years in a row or two years in
a row, I'll go back and see what they were
in twenty twenty three. If they can do it again,
then great, all make the playoffs. If they do it again,
they was that offense, they should better. They should do
it again because they should make the playoffs. Sorry, because
the offense even just you know, throwing the same guys
out there, you should see an improvement over last year.

(27:53):
You're not gonna have all those same five to six
guys become turds the way they were a year ago.
And on paper, compared to the end, not the end,
but the beginning of last year to where they are
right now, they look like they might be better. They've
got Randy eros Arena, They've got Victor Roebliz Right. They
did not have those guys twelve months ago before the

(28:13):
season started, and now they do. But they need JP Crawford,
they need Julio to be an aircraft carrier, they need
Cal Rowley to continue to do what he's done, and
they need the starting five and the bullpen's got to
stay healthy. I mean, that's the other factor is that
Brash and Santos were banged up a year ago and
they couldn't be there for you.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Now they're healthy.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
So you're asking everything to go right like it did
pitching wise, at least with the rotation a year ago,
and then you're asking the offense to pick it up.
So let's hope my point Nick before the break here,
let's hope that we're not rob Peter to pay Paul right,
which I kind of am fearful that they may.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Do well and the problem with the whole fifty four percent.
And I did not like Jerry's quote in the Athletic piece,
which one where he said there was a couple of them,
but people obviously didn't understand it the way I expressed it.
My guess is that ninety eight percent of the people
didn't actually listen to it.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
They just read it off relevant.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Well, we listened to it, and we think the same
about it is the people that read it off the
tweet When your goal, when your aim is for fifty
four percent, guess where you're probably gonna end up around
fifty four percent and more years than that, that's not
even good enough to make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Well, the timing of it was terrible. And here's the
thing about that fifty four percent thing. I'm not thinking
about it every day. You're not thinking about it every day.
Why would he keep talking about it? Why would Jerry
Depoto do an article with The Athletic and bring up
the fifty four percent thing again? When I know the
franchise would love to put that behind him. Jerry would

(29:43):
love to put that behind him. Yet he keeps referencing
it almost as if he's trying to convince people to
think otherwise exactly, which is, well, that's ridiculous. That's never
gonna happen, never gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
His defensive level is on a ten these days, it is,
and it's odd.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I mean, he's he's a president of baseball operations for
a Major League baseball team. If there's anybody out there
in any position that should not give a damn and
have confidence in what he's doing, it's that that guy
that that job. And instead of going out and saying, well,
people misunderstood, here's why they're wrong, and I'm right, how
about you come out and just say, you know what,

(30:21):
I shouldn't have said it. That's it, end the story.
Let's just move on and not only and change the goal.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Right, It's one thing to apologize for saying, but how
about change the goal and say, our goal is to
be the best baseball.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Team we can put on the field every April. Now,
your goal is to win a championship. That's what you say.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Your goal is to win a title. And maybe he
changes it to fifty five percent. Maybe every year he's
here he raises it one percent.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Now, eventually we'll get there. We're gonna break.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Fun with audio, coming next baby on ninety three three KJRFM.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
It's now time for something in Dick's Fun with audio.

Speaker 8 (30:55):
Jimmy g Pat Star, Jimmy mister garoppolo, Now.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Have some fun with audio. Hi, boys and girls, listen
to you often because you've got interested.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
We are back here on a Thursday afternoon. We got
cracking hockey coming up for thirty pre game five o'clock
face off right here on ninety three three kJ RFM.
How about a little fun with audio slash. Hey did
you hear that? Hey, Dick, did you happen here?

Speaker 2 (31:21):
What's that?

Speaker 7 (31:21):
Dick?

Speaker 3 (31:21):
The Vikings held a press conference on Tuesday where Jared
Allen was honored for being named the.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
The former defensive end decided to take that opportunity to
roast the Jets during his press conference.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
I'd rather be close than tricking who sucks the Jets?

Speaker 7 (31:37):
Oh gosh, being the Jets A would be miserable right now.
I don't believe anybody took that job. Oh rough one.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
So you get to say the stuff. When you're retired,
you can tell it everyone.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
That's awesome, talk out on all the organizations because they
don't pay paychecks.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
That's awesome.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
For me.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
God, just a random him shot at the Jets. Well,
I was thinking to myself, like, did he play for them? No,
didn't play for them. He's just just out of the blue.
You're a Jeff, You're like, dude, what's up? Man?

Speaker 4 (32:09):
What's the what's the likelihood of arguably the two worst
franchises in the NFL both being in New York.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I mean, the Giants won't be that long term.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
I mean the Giants have titles, you know, in the
Giants segment right now, Yeah, right now, right now.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
It's got a good one up northwest.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Where Buffalo in Boston, Buffalo, New York.

Speaker 9 (32:37):
I just have to I have to defend the state.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
I don't know what are the odds. I don't know
nine to one, but you're right.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
I mean, it's that's That's why it doesn't matter what
market you're playing in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
The NFL has shown it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Market size means jack squat in the National Football League
doesn't even really mean much in the NBA either, because
the San Antonio.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Spurs owned the damn thing for years for crying either
those two teams were eight and twenty six.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, terrible, not good, not good? All right, Hey, Dick,
did you happen here?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
What's that?

Speaker 7 (33:06):
Dick?

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yesterday on ESPN's first Tax Steven A. Smith thwawing in
on the Lebron James versus Michael Jordan goat debate.

Speaker 8 (33:13):
Although he annoyed the living hell out of me last week,
you know, with all of that nonsense, he was talking
in the end the greatness that he has put on
display for as long as he has put on display,
I'll even go a step further knowing how I feel
about Jordan, and I think anybody that knows basketball agrees

(33:33):
with me. I actually think it's time to not even.

Speaker 7 (33:38):
Have the debate.

Speaker 8 (33:39):
Whoa hey, because that's how great Lebron James has been.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
For as long as he has been that great, I
can stand.

Speaker 8 (33:46):
Down and acknowledge that because this is absolutely phenomenal. But
it's not the fifty thousand points. It's not even the
way he's looked last night, It's not even the way
he's looked this month. It's the fact that I'm watching
this brother with Anthony Davis, without Anthony Davis, Luca.

Speaker 7 (34:01):
Without Luca.

Speaker 8 (34:02):
I mean this dude, right, here, and I'm looking at
a guy at forty years of age who's in better
shape than ninety eight percent of the league, if not more.
At age forty and twenty second season. Lebron James, especially
on a morning like this, deserves all the props in
the world, and I'm going to give it to him.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I would not make him the goat right now, but
I think the gap is closing, and I think you
can make a great argument that he is the greatest
player of all time. I've said that for a couple
of years now. I still prefer Jordan over him, but
you can make an argument that he's the best for sure.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I just think there's there's two arguments.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
I think there's the greatest player of all time in
their greatest career of all time, and I think Lebron
has already surpassed him for greatest career of all time.
But greatest player of all time, I think that always
can be debatable because then you're talking about the great
who was the better player at the apex of their career.
And I've got no problem saying that Michael Jordan would

(35:00):
greater at his apex.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Than Lebron James was at his age the Goat debate
to me, and you can make it whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
There's no rule book that says, here's how you define
the greatest of all time is encompasses all those things, right, career,
apex of their career, player, uh, contributions, impact, whatever. And
so when I throw it all in to me, it's
it's still Michael Jordan over Lebron Jas.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
One more title?

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Do it?

Speaker 3 (35:24):
If Lebron leads them to a championship this year, I
think I would still say it the apex of their career.
Mj was better, because you mean you said Lebron's closing
the gap, So what would it take. I don't n
I don't know if he could ever close the gap,
to be honest with you, because if I'm looking at
like I used the Bo Jackson Alexander debate, right, like
Sean had the better career, but Bo was the better
player right at the height of his career. I mean

(35:45):
the apex is the apex that's not going to change, right,
That's the height of Jordan's career and the height of
Lebron's ability as a player.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Unless you think he's getting better, isn't get any worse, never.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Gonna change that number would take mj But I do
wonder if Steven A. Smith said that Michael Jordan was
still the goat, would you have wanted to play that
clip on here?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
No?

Speaker 7 (36:05):
Okay, good.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
God, bless you for admitting it's unbelievable. I'm so proud
of you. You have no idea what a moment this
is for me in my career that Dick finally admits
he would not have played that clip if he had
said that Michael Jordan was the goat.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
All right, let's get one more before the break. Hey, Dick,
did you happen to hear that? What's that?

Speaker 7 (36:27):
Dick?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Which one's better? You think we'll use one tomorrow? If
we don't use it to, let's go with.

Speaker 7 (36:34):
Three.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
During ESPN's coverage of the TGL golf event on Tuesday
in La Marty Smith caught up with Selene Dee on
the stands and Matt Barry shared his thoughts on the
movie Titanic.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
There was one more, very important question I needed to
ask Selene, and that is which song from your catalog
best represent your golf game?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Okay, the one that comes to awesome.

Speaker 10 (37:00):
People have suggestions, people have opinions, but that's good.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
I would say, near, far, where? Come on?

Speaker 7 (37:11):
Where you are?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I believe that my ball will.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
Go on.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
You're not there. I'm coming to Vegas. I'm gonna I'm
gonna come to Vegas for the residency. All right, Maddy,
you are so jealous of me.

Speaker 10 (37:33):
Right now, by the way, while we're on this theme,
can I can I get something off my chest? Rose
was so selfish to push Jack off the floating door.
I've never gotten over that she could have at least
shared part of the door with Jack.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I never understood when they couldn't both be on the door.
I don't know. That was a little cringey, to be
honest with you. It made me uncomfortable. Good.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
I thought she was gonna say her golf game was
like the Titanic. That's what I thought she was gonna.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Say, just saying it goes near, it goes far, wherever
it goes, it's a freaking iceberg.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
It hits the bottom of the ocean. Man, oh god,
that was man. All right, we're gonna break ever. Fitzi's
gonna join us in about twenty minutes on ninety three
three KJRFM, no from the Star.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Rentals Sports to us, your ninety three point three kJ
r FM sports headlines.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Alrighty kiddos, here we go.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Headlines Ony gorgeous Thursday afternoon right here ninety three three
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Speaker 2 (38:35):
Although Jackson's working the cracking games.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
If you want to bug him during the game, just
call two eight six ninety five ninety five and he'll
answer the phone and you can talk with him off
out there. I did that all the time back when
I was used to host radio shows.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
In the back room.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I would just sit there and just say, hey, how
are you You wanna have a conversation. I'm marrying sports fan radio.
Nothing to do until three three forty five in the morning, anyway.
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You chow baby crap all right. Yesterday it is DK
Metcalf getting a trade request fulfilled by the Seahawks. Today
the Bengals are granting their star defensive end Trey Hendrickson

(39:09):
permission to.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Seek a deal.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Seahawks didn't make a move today, resigning cornerback Josh Job,
keeping him off the free agent market for next week.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
And the agent for Ernest Jones says the knee clean
up for his client the best thing to happen to
him since his trade to Seattle, which actually is probably
good for him resigning with sal right if he says
that was a good thing to come here.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Jets releasing tight end Evan Ingram today and the Mariners
by the way of a split squad situation tonight. Jonathan
Diaz will start at Arizona and Brian Wu we'll go
against the Angels at five point thirty.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
We Sprung Sprung last night.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Daniel Sprung had a hat trick in the second period
alone as the Coachella Valley Firebirds scored a franchise record
seven goals in the second period.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
This is win again.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
This is the point we've come to where we're giving
Coachella Valley Firebird up there before we preview the Cracking
game tonight.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Well, I'm not saying it wrong, by.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
The way, seven goals in one period.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Cracking at Nashville tonight four thirty pre game five o'clock,
faced off trade deadlines tomorrow at twelve o'clock.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Is that right our time? I heard you guys stday
talking about that. Are you guys.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Accurate with the information that you're giving out on your
show with the at one.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
O'clock every day. Yeah, mostly okay. So is the deadline
tomorrow at noon? Yes it is, it is okay.

Speaker 11 (40:19):
It's three papas or Eastern times, so I know that
I can do three hours worth of man.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Good for you. You have a clock tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
By the way, everet fits, you will join us in
about ten minutes from now right here on ninety three
to three kJ RFM.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
This means transition to there you go, there you go.
We got to work on our hand signals.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
By the way, you know how often you get swirly well?
This means what what does? What does that mean to you?

Speaker 7 (40:46):
I do that?

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Wrap it up? Wrap it up. I was waiting for
you to wrap it up. That's why I did this.
You kept talking.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
That's why I made the swirly well. I gotta keep
talking unless you want me to go to a break.
We can get to a break if you are right now.
I've got nothing going on between now. In pregame show
of four thirty, are you whatever you want?

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Are you glad the show's over in fifteen minutes. It's
the only reason it's because I knew it was only ninety.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Well, you're a bit you're a big Coog fan, now right,
big Coog fan. Okay, how about this?

Speaker 7 (41:15):
Here's Keegele throws to the flat ball is knocked down.

Speaker 8 (41:18):
It is intercepted, intercepted by Kyle Ellis in this game,
if the interception stands, is.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Over ruling on the field because it was a backward bepass.
Washington recovered that backward pass and the game is.

Speaker 7 (41:34):
Over, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
It is a dundale.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
How about who being in a hand signals he oh wow, geez,
I'm glad we're on radio.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Nobody can see that. How about that ref twenty three
years ago? Gordon Reees?

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Gordon Reese's voice will be replayed for a quarter of
a century and it will always be a backward perhaps
backwards bad.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
You were't even born then, What are you whining about?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Was at two thousand and two you weren't even born?
Triple overtime, my guy. You know we found out by
the way years later, when you hear somebody going.

Speaker 7 (42:08):
On the on the wall.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
We always thought it was the coach's next door to
the broadcast booth. Turns out it was actually Rondo doing
that ron that admitted he was banging the wall during
the broadcast.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I was watching.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
I was doing the postgame show for that game, and
I was watching the show in the sports pit with
David Locke, and it's the only time David locked. David
Locke and I jumped into each other's arms and celebrated.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I didn't even know he was a Husky fan, but
he was fired up about that. Was the Stanford guy.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
He's the one that hit me in the face with
a rolled up newspaper.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
You never heard that story. He's a Stanford fan.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
He went to he went to Accidental aka Occidental, but
he grew up a big Stanford fan, so he's a
Cardinal fan. And I don't know how this happened. It
was during cross talk and somehow the band game came
up against California right, and he got so fricking pissed
he took a newspaper, rolled it up and topped me
right in the face with it, live on the air.
Assaulted me live on radio. How are you doing the

(43:01):
postgame show that night? Because I was there.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
I wasn't at the game. I was at the stage.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
I was at the game. How was I not doing
the postgame show, but you were doing the past show.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Well maybe you were doing were you doing Network? And
I was doing the after the postgame show postgame show.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
I mean, I'd like to get that deal again. That'd
be fun. I watched the game and you can handle
the stupid post game show. Well, we got a clip
here from our old friend Boom Boom Roussini, and it's funny.
I was trying to get a hold of Diana Roussini
and I kept looking through my context, like I don't
have her number. Oh it's under Boom Boom. Yeah, because
of her gigantic feet. That's why we called her boom
Boom back of the day. But she's risen to superstartom.

(43:38):
You know, obviously took off and went to ESPN now
with the Athletic I mean, she's leaving us behind in
our dust here.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Used to do the Comcast stuff with us back in
the day.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
She was on the Coward Show, right your your favorite
show of all time, The Colvin Coward Show, and they
talked about realistic expectations for trade compensation for DK Metcalf.

Speaker 9 (43:59):
Check this so DK Metcalf last year, thirty five catches
were first downs armor on Saint round double. He also
gets penalized a lot leaves the league in penalty yards
as a receiver since he entered it. A lot of
that's temperamental. I would move off him, but he's thirty
one million. I think maybe you get a second or
third round pick. But give me the DK market story.
What are you hearing?

Speaker 11 (44:19):
The compensation they're looking for is a first and third
that is very, very high. A lot of teams that
I've talked to around the league that definitely had their
eye on Seattle over the last few weeks knowing that
they could possibly be moving on just feel that that
price is just it's too high. Yeah, the Panthers, Jacksonville,
the New England Patriots, Houston, the Chargers. None of those

(44:41):
teams are going to pay that price.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
None of them. I've reached out to all of them.

Speaker 11 (44:44):
They're not going to do it.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Well, first of all the fact that she reached out
to them, and I gotta tell you, she's just dialed
in now as anybody in the NFL, so it when
she talks, I believe her. Okay, she says she's called
those teams and they're not going to offer that.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
And I think it's not surprising.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
We talked about this yesterday that DeAndre Hopkins was the
same age as DK metcalf is right now, coming off
three straight first Team All Pro years, and he went
for a second and David Johnson, That's what that guy
went for and he was a first team All Pro
wide receiver for three years in a row. Now, maybe
you know it's different now.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Maybe DK Metcalf is, you know, just a different cut
of meat and a specimen that teams just can't say
no to. But I would be pretty surprised, if not
almost stunned, if the Hawk's got a first round draft
pick for him.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
John Schneider should get Executive of the Year if they
get the hall that he's asking.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Agree now, and.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
My question is, I didn't want DK Metcalf here on
a new contract, So why should some other team want
DK Metcalf and have to give up a first round
pick for the honor of having DK paying him thirty
million dollars a year because they disagree with you because
they think he's good. Let's hope that we find somebody
that disagrees with me. But it sounds like we aren't.

(45:59):
It's it sounds like the market for DK Metcalf is
a lot closer to what I think it should be
than what the Seahawks hope it will be.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Well, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
I mean, I just don't think if you look at
previous deals that there's the market history for giving up
a first round draft pick for a guy like that.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Now, if he was twenty two years old or twenty
three years old, or.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Maybe coming off a couple of first team AP All
Pro teams and had two or three years left in
his deal, a different story, right, But the guy's got
one year left.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
And you know, look, I know that.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Obviously people can say, well the Texans got robbed. Okay,
they got robbed, but that was still the market. And
I assume the Texans took the best deal out there.
You think, you know, you think they went to bed
and said there's a better deal. But no, let's take
this one from Arizona. I guess the question becomes, this
the reason why the Seahawks might be asking for a
first and third not jives with what Corbyn Smith reported

(46:47):
I think last week on that Packer deal he was
talking about, and that wasn't I believe the Packers offering
a first and Romeo Dobbs. That was what the Seahawks
were looking for in exchange for DK Metcalf. They don't
have to trade this guy. They can sit on him.
And I think eventually he's going to report to camp
when he starts losing money. I mean, he's getting a
million bucks a game on his eighteen million dollar salary

(47:09):
right for this year.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
So I don't think he's gonna sit out.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
I don't think he comes to training camp, which I
gotta be totally honest with you, I'm fine.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Training camp is worth less and less as the years
go by. These guys aren't even playing in the preseason,
for crying out loud. He knows, Gino, he's got a
brand new offense. I get that, But you know whatever,
I'm not concerned about it, and I think you both
of us agree on that. I think the reason why
they're asking for a first and third is because, hey,
we don't need to trade him, and if we're gonna
trade him, we're getting something in return for him. Otherwise
we're gonna sit on him. We're gonna keep him for

(47:40):
a year, see what we can do with him. He
can sit on him again next year, maybe we franchise him,
or maybe we mend some fences and extend him. Who knows,
and then if he does walk and we let him go,
we get our third round compick.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Seahawks have leverage here, and don't forget the franchise tag
next year would actually be five million dollars less than
this year's salar.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Right, So I mean he more than the than the
cap numbers, then the.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Cap, then the cap hit that he's taken next next
year's cap hit would be around twenty six million.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
We won't know exactly until next year.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
No, his his cap hits this year is what cap
bits thirty one this year, got it franchise for receiver,
this year's twenty four. It's been going up about two
million dollars a year, so I just assumed it would
go up two million dollars next year.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
And that's where I'm coming up with twenty six million.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Yeah, you're saying that they would save money, right if
they franchised him. Yeah, and again we don't know. Like
I said, we don't know what that number one, and
they keep the leverage. I don't think the Hawks are
in a hurry to give this guy away at all,
you know. Uh, and again maybe you can argue, well, yeah,
first round draft pick versus having him in town for
another year. That's assuming a first round draft pick is available.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Now.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
If John Schneider gets offered a first round pick for him,
I think he's gonna move. I agree, right, if he
gets offered two second round picks for DK Metcalf and
a player, I.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Think he's gonna move him.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
But if the best they can do is a second
rounder and then like a day Repick or some bum,
I think he's staying right here. I think Mike Hombrin
might be right that he's not going to go anywhere.
And look, I mean, like we said yesterday, Nick strong
arming the Seahawks has never worked. It's never worked for anybody,
all right, not under John Schneider, not under Pete Carroll.
And I don't think that's going to change for DK Metcalf.

(49:19):
I think the Seahawks are a better team with DK
Metcalf on it this year than not. I think Jay
Jackson Smith and Jigma is a better player with DK
Metcalf alongside him than not. But I also think and
it's okay to be intrigued by two prospects, right, It's
okay to be intrigued by the idea of having DK
Metcalf play for Clint Kubiak. It's also okay to be

(49:41):
intrigued by the idea of taking that money and spending
it on the offensive line. I mean both those things
can exist together, which I think they do well.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
Chuck mentioned today we were playing a game called Crazy, Crazier,
and Craziest.

Speaker 7 (49:54):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
I love that he gave three potential scenarios for DK
and wanted us to decide.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Which was crazy, crazy or craziest.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
And I thought the least crazy of all was actually
to talk to Pittsburgh for a draft pick in George Pickens,
because George Pickens is a fabulously talented guy three years
younger than DK Metcalf, similar situation. He's got one year
left and then you could put the fifth year tag
on him.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
And he's a.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Guy that has got every bit the talent. He just
hasn't realized the talent. But still I believe he had
more touchdown catches than DK did, Like, why would Pittsburgh
do that?

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Because he's been a problem.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
He's been a problem, like George Pickens has been a problem,
consistent problem.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Teammate Wise, yes, I don't know about guy. He's a
he's a.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Very very high maintenance player, and it would just be
the question on whether you would want to trade a
high meant maintenance player for a very high maintenance.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
And how long does he have left on his deal?
But he's got one year left on his rookie contract.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
So really the the bounty from them would be the
draft capital, right, And are you saying that you think
you can get their first pick, which is twenty one
over I think.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
It would be pick fifty two if he did, if
you had pickens, I mean that would take some of
the compensations, so it would probably.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Be like a maybe a second or a third. Well,
they have they have fifty two in the second round,
they have eighty three in the third. Let's say it's
eighty three. And this is uh I'm looking at this
is actually pretty interesting. I'm looking at one mock draft
for Pittsburgh that's got them taking a Mecca Agbuka at
twenty one and Jackson Dart in the third round.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Okay, well that's not a bad draft, No, not at
all at all.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Then, and then Turner Shamar Turner, the big defensive end
from Texas A and m would I trade DK Metcalf
for George Pickens and the number fifty two pick in.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
The second round?

Speaker 3 (51:39):
I mean, if I can resign Pickens, probably, you know,
I'd like to look if the Seahawks are going to
grant DK Metcalf and his agent the ability to talk
to a team about a brand new contract, why should
the Seahawks not get that same courtesy If they're bringing
a guy in who's got one more year left on
his deal, right, and.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
He's not gonna make as much as he hasn't done
as much in the NFL? Will you say Pickens the pick?
Pittsburgh Cast fifty two and eighty three. Guess what pick
George Pickens was in the second round? Fifty two fifty
two twenty two?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
How about that? What do you say? Yeah, hockey time.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
We head out to Nashville, Tennessee, joining us right now
from the broadcast booth. He's in his own little world late,
so we can talk about the trades you guys made yesterday,
or we can continue to hear you hum away.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
So the choice.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
We can ask him if he wants DK Metcalf for
his first first round pick.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
How about DK Metcalf for a healthy Aiden Hutchinson. Would
you make that drink?

Speaker 7 (52:38):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (52:40):
I would DK? I love how about there you go?

Speaker 7 (52:45):
No, I'm keeping him too.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
No, I'm saying if you had Dame.

Speaker 6 (52:49):
Absolutely, oh absolutely yeah. But the offense with the Lions
has wasn't the problem this year.

Speaker 7 (52:55):
It was the the defensive injuries that we have.

Speaker 6 (52:59):
DK can turn around play shut down corner maybe and
there a linebacker and do a Travis Hunter play both
sides of the ball?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Then were you can play them at safety?

Speaker 3 (53:07):
You're allowed to play DK Metcalf at safety and or linebacker. Well,
let's talk about yesterday. Man, Look, you know these guys.
You've covered these guys obviously since you got here. Yanni's
out the door Byorik strands out the door. Tell me
about what the locker room was like and what the
buzz is around the franchise after yesterday.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
Yeah, I mean, listen, these guys have been doing this
since a lot of them were in juniors.

Speaker 7 (53:29):
The trade deadline. You make friends.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
You get to know these guys and families and wives
and kids and girlfriends and all that stuff, and they
understand that it's a business.

Speaker 7 (53:36):
But it still sucks. It still stings a little bit.

Speaker 6 (53:38):
And you can tell you know that the mood was
pretty calm getting off the plane yesterday.

Speaker 7 (53:44):
Today in the morning skate, you know, there was.

Speaker 6 (53:46):
A little less talking, a little less jovial ness as
there usually is.

Speaker 7 (53:51):
Yanni led a lot of that.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
But I think guys are realizing, you know that this
is one of the unfortunate times of the season, and
when you are a seller at the deadline, you've got
eighteen nineteen games.

Speaker 7 (54:04):
Left, you know that.

Speaker 6 (54:05):
You know, once April fifteenth, Tax Day hits against the
La Kings, that's gonna be the end of it for you.
So it's almost like, you know, the reality is starting
to set in. But I think these guys, they're professionals,
They understand it, they get it.

Speaker 7 (54:19):
Although it stings.

Speaker 6 (54:20):
Both of those guys were really big presences both on
and off the ice, and you have to move on,
as as you know, cynical as.

Speaker 7 (54:30):
That may sound, if you have a job to do.

Speaker 6 (54:32):
We still have, you know, plenty of games left against
a Nashville team that has also been overhauling their roster
due to the trade deadline and some injuries and stuff
like that, and you want to stay perfect against Nashville.
Dan Biosma has said he feels this team's best hockey
is ahead of them, so why not try to make
a run and win the last twenty games and see

(54:52):
what you can do in these last handful of games.
But I would say the mood maybe not somber, but
it's a little more calm, a little more reserved maybe
than it was a week ago.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Well, we've seen teams go on runs after selling guys.
We've seen that in baseball all the time. But you know,
I say, I think it was a haul that Ron
got for those two guys.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
What do you think absolutely?

Speaker 6 (55:12):
I mean, you get two first round picks, you get
a second round pick, and you get Mikey Asamont, who
is going to be a good, you know, plug and
play four flying guy for you. But those picks you
can either keep those picks, you can trade those picks away.
The interesting thing about those draft picks is they are
going to be for twenty six, twenty seven. There are

(55:33):
some trade protections in there, so those could end up
sliding back a year. So those players, let's say you
keep those picks, You keep those players, Those players probably
won't be in Seattle for at least four to five
six years. But if you trade those picks this summer
and you can bring back an established NHL player. I
think that is where Ron's head is potentially, with those

(55:55):
with those with this move to get the capitol to
trade moving forward down the down the road to help
this team get better in the summer.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Well, I'm just glad they hung onto you, Pal, all right,
that's all I care, just hanging on to you.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I heard rumors. I heard rumors.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
I have a thirty one team, no trade clause. There's
nothing you're gonna get from us.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
All right, man, great stuff, tonight, have fun. We'll talk soon.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Body appreciate it, Pal, all right, see it all right?
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