March 7, 2025 • 40 mins
In the third hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain visit with Hugh Millen and dive deep into the Seahawks trading Geno Smith to the Raiders and the possibility of the team replacing him with Sam Darnold, then Mike Florio from PFT jumps on to discuss both.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
By way, let's get right to it because there's some
big news and the National Football League. Geno Smith is
no longer a Seattle Seahawk. He is now a member
of the Las Vegas Raiders. Hugh Millen joining us right
now to talk about it on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline.
Hueye your reaction, Geno Smith is gone to the Vegas
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Raiders for a third round pick.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Flora's yours.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm very surprised. I credit the Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I think that they kind of looked at where they
were and and I've kind of repeatedly described as many
have Gino as an average quarterback, and and and that's okay,
that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
If you were a team without even an.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Average quarterback or a good quarterback, if you were a
team with a poor quarterback, you'd be loving an average quarterback.
So it's not necessarily as dispara gene as it sounds.
But you get a guy, or you've got a guy
in Gino that's gonna be thirty five in October, and
there may be overtures that he wants a contract that
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is not commensurate with how the Seahawks view him. And
you know, the whole idea of the percentage of the cap.
Remember now, when in twenty twenty two he was making
one point four percent of the cap and this thing's
climbing well into double digits now. And that was one
of the appeals of having Gino. Now, if he wants
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to be paid like the top guys, they might just say, hey,
you're gonna be thirty five, let's try and find another
bridge quarterback or find somebody who has the potential to
be a longer, intermediate future guy.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Well, there's also another scenario, and that is that despite
what Mike McDonald and John Schneider have been telling us
the last months was obviously a little bit misleading, I
would say about how much they wanted Geno Smith. Maybe
they just thought, you know what, enough's enough. I mean,
we we're gonna cut guy. You know, We're just we're
gonna we're gonna let him go and and we're gonna try,
we're gonna pump him up, we're gonna try to find
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a suitor for him and see if we can find
a suitor for him.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And they did. How much of a possibility do you
think that was?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Well, I think that they would have a plan, Uh,
of who's gonna be their quarterback. If you're just gonna
a discharge the geno, then you know, I know there's
reports about Sam Donald. Uh, you gotta feel like that
is that that Hey is in the barn or that
you have multiple options that you're okay with and so look,
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I don't I don't know if something's imminent with regards
to Donald, but uh, I don't think that they would
just get rid of Dek and say, well, uh, the
option is that we have a one in four chance
about bidding for Sam Darnald and other than that, we
don't have a plan.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Seat Well, if it's not Sam Darnold, then who is
it for you? I mean, you know what the free
agent class looks like, you know what the rookie draft
class looks like. If it's not going to be him,
who's on Humillin's list, Well.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
For me, just kind of as a fan, I would
if it's not going to be those guys, I would
want to take a long look at Daniel Jones. I
think that Daniel Jones, I've said it to you guys before.
I think he has the toughest job in sports. Given
the offensive line that they've had, the wide receivers they've
had playing in New York, the media, the wind lousy team,
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a coach who's a Richard Head. I just think it's
really tough. And if you look at how glowingly you know,
like Justin Jefferson and Addison at Minnesota were saying, WHOA
look at Daniel Jones on these throws. Those reports are
out there. I've read them, and this guy signed for
three hundred and seventy five thousand with the Vikings. They've
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been raving about him. And so I think that you know,
in any given year, pick a year, blindfold yourself and
just stab at a year in the history of the
NFL now or fifteen years ago or nineteen seventy seven.
At any one time, you could always say, here's the
list of quarterbacks, and we've just ranked him in terms
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of the guy who's got the easiest job, and then
at the bottom list, we've ranked the guy who's got
the hardest job. They used to say Archie Manning is
a Hall of Fame level quarterback, but he was mired
and you know, stuck with the Saints in an era
where you couldn't get better with free agency. You know,
there's always been that guy. I think Daniel Jones is
that guy. We saw him in lumen Field with an
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inferior team. He outplayed Gino, he got the win. I'm
not saying that. You know, you'd say, well, there's a
lot of other times where you could have been in
the stadium and you saw him lose. But that'd be
a guy that I'd pursue. Because now a tenant to
that comment is the idea that you could get Daniel
Jones on a real cheap base is right, and that
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thirty you know, call it twenty five to thirty million
that you could save if that money was well spent.
You know, three really good players, really good players at
ten million each, like elite. Let you know, I don't
say elite, but really really quality players plus Daniel Jones.
I could see that being a pretty good team. Daniel
Jones might be the Geno, the Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
You know Sam Donald, Well, all Seahawks fans I should
be on Minnesota. I mean they've got Sam Donald, JJ McCarthy,
Daniel Jones, Nick Mullins.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I mean that is a.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Loaded quarterback room that they don't need all of those guys.
So let's move to Sam Donald. There's a report out there,
Diana Rossini's saying that the Seahawks reportally are interested in
signing him. How much of an upgrade, if at all,
is Sam Donald over Gino Smith.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Well, you know, I studied the tape with in advance
of the Minnesota game and what have you, And what
I saw from him was a guy that I was like, whoa,
this dude really stands in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
He is oblivious.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Now, I thought Gino was good in that regard some
of the times, in particular early the couple of first
couple of games, I thought he kind of deteriorated in
that regard. But Donald was just totally oblivious to the
grenades going off and whistling the ball down the field
and willing to throw into Justin Jefferson on things like
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the circus route, which is a double a double coverage
corner route where you have to throw it over the
corner into the side of the safety, just seam routes.
I mean, he was knifing balls in there. I've got
some stats here, guys. Now, had I had more time,
I probably would have organized it in a more logical
but I'm just gonna list the you know, list these
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and apologies if if maybe some of the order that
I'm I'm presenting them don't make sense, all right, So
I'm gonna go GINO first and then say them, Darnald,
the under center percentage, this everything, I'm gonna say. All
the numbers are the ranking. They're not the absolute numbers
he got me. They're the rankings. So GINO twenty ninth
in the league under center, Sam Donald third. All right,
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that dovetails to me. With play action. Passing yards per
attempt a year ago, GINO thirty fourth in the league,
Sam Donald fifth. Passer rating GINO nineteenth, Sam Donald sixth.
Percent of completions for a first down or touchdown GINO
ranked twenty fourth, Sam Donald fifth. Yards per completion GINO
twenty third, Sam Donald sixth. Passing touchdowns per attempt GINO
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thirty second, Sam Donald seventh. Air yards per attempt that's
from the line of scrimmage on all passes attempted GINO thirtieth,
Sam Donald eleventh. Attempts going five yards are more from
the line of scrimmage GINO thirty second, Sam Donald fourth.
Average depth of target GINO thirtieth, Sam Donald eleventh. Completions
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of twenty five or more yards Gino thirteenth, Sam Donald first.
Play action passing yards per attempt Gino thirty fourth, Sam
Donald fifth. I'm getting close to the end here. Average
depth of target Gino thirtieth, Sam Donald eleventh. Red zone
passing touchdowns Gino's seventeenth, Sam Donald fourth. These last three, hey,
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they the last, These last three speak to the pressure.
Somebody's well, what about you know? How is he pressured? Okay, clean?
This is coming from the NFL SCAT portal clean and
it's and I quoted, I wrote down. It says percent
of quarterback dropbacks without pressure in the pocket. Here's something
Gino twenty eighth at fifty five point four percent, Sam
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Donald thirty At that fifty four percent point seven, they
were point seven away. Basically they had the same pocket
pressured percentage Gino thirty eight point six percent. That was
ranked thirty fourth. Uh, Sam Donald ranks thirty first at
thirty eight point one. They're point five percent away. And
then the fire. But here's the final one. I will
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close with this. This is something to take note of.
The passer rating when pressure. Gino twenty eighth in the league,
sixty point five passer rating when pressured, Sam Donald fourth
in the league eighty seven point one win pressured, So
that's putting them under you know, circumstances when they are pressured.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
So those are some numbers. Look, I think there's no question.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
That Sam Donald had a better season in twenty twenty
four than Gino. If you want to if you want
to get things muddy, you'd have to bring in prior years.
And that's what you say. Sam Donald has some comparisons
to Geno.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well, and by the way, you know who Sam Donald's
past game coordinator was with the Niners in twenty three, Kubiak,
by the way, with him, so he does have familiarity
with him. Obviously, Dick brought up this question with Mike
Homgrin about an hour ago.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
This move.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I remember we talked about this with Ryan Grubb. Remember
when Ryan Grubb got fired. We asked you on the air,
what is this due to your needle in regards to
Geno coming back? Well, what is this due to your
needle in regards to DK Metcalf coming back? The fact
that they've just opened up a buttload of cap room
that got rid of their quarterback. They'll assumably bring in
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somebody else. Does this increase or decrease the odds or
make no change to the odds of DK Metcalf staying
at seahawk.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Well, the sensible answers we don't know, right because we
don't know what's prioritizing DK's requests. But you know, just
a stat that I cited this morning with Chuck the
catchable rate a year ago that for DK, out of
eighty qualifying wide receivers, he was seventy sixth in the
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percent of catchable balls. It was just fifty eight point
zero percent. Again that you know, other quarterbacks were up
at eighty seven eighty eight our receivers up at eighty
seven eighty eight percent. So it's not just how are
your targeted? Are they quote catchable? And so again he was.
He was fourth in the bottom in terms of the percentage.
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So look, I think I think by the way, this
morning I cided air yards to stick. Sam Donald was sixth,
Geno Smith was thirty seventh. There's an aggression there in
Sam Donald that that Geno didn't have. In fact, the
next gen stats have a aggressiveness and that's their word,
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not mine, and they call m Geno's rank thirty second.
I didn't I should have peaked it at Donald, So
so there may be put it this way. Do I
think that there's a chance that Dka was frustrated with
the performance of of Geno. Absolutely, and so I would
say it goes up. That would be my guess. That
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goes up, goes up, that it comes back, goes up,
that it comes back.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Got you go got you how much?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I'd right, Hey, guys, let me just jump in for
a quick second, because we're asking. Dick started to interrupt
what draft pick the Hawks were getting, the specific number,
and this is great that Mike Garifalo corrected this. So
Mike Garifollo is reporting that the pick the Seahawks are
going to get is number ninety two in the third round.
If you search the draft order online, the Jets were
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listed as having that pick. That was a mistake. It
went to Vegas and the Devonte Adams deal and belonged
to the Raiders. So that pick is now the Seahawks
pick at number ninety two. We thought it might be
sixty eight, it's actually.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Ninety So, Hugh, that's where I was actually going to
go with my next question, what do you think of
the compensation? Now it's actually almost a round lower than
we thought it was going to be. But it is
still a third round draft pick. Yeah, wasn't Russell seventy five?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Correct? Yeah? Seventy fifth yep?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, yeah, so in the third round obviously, well yeah,
it's almost a round lower.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
That's five picks away from the fourth round or comp
picks by the way.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
So yeah, I don't know that I really specialize on
the granularity of the value in these type of deals.
You know, look, we're talking about a quarterback, but we're
talking about a thirty five year old quarterback that may
have exorbitant contract demands and who has proven to only
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be you know, you take a numbers based argument, you're
just going to arrive right at average with GINO, not
not necessarily below average or a lot below average, and
not necessarily a lot above average.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I think just right at slightly above average or below.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
So I don't if I just don't know, don't I
don't know the market, I don't I don't know if
Seattle got fleeced or if Seattle did the fleecing.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, and look, I was going to just add that
to me. I don't know how you guys feel. But
the exciting part of the GENO Smith trade is the
cap space that opens up and the ability to now
go after a quarterback that, let's face it, maybe a star.
I mean, they were never going to have a star
in Gino Smith. They were going to have a good player,
but never a star. I mean, whether it's an early
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third or a late third or a low fourth or whatever.
I mean, Hugh, I don't know about you, but the
compensation to me is important. But the ability to upgrade
that position. Yeah, and the cap space that's been opened
up to potentially help out the offensive line, that's what's
got me fired up.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I just think that they're they're looking and they're saying, hey,
we're tapped out. I mean, I've found it kind of peculiar,
kind of amusing that the Seattle sports fan gets Twitter
paidd with Jerry Depoto in his fifty four percent comment,
and yet here we are Gino Smith in three seasons
since Russell left, he has a twenty seven and twenty
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three record, and that's exactly fifty four percent, And like,
where's the outrage for that? And so certainly I have
I kind of echo your a sentiments that for me
just saying Okay, we're not.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Going to stand Pat at fifty four percent. So I
appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
There was a report that the Seahawks offered Geno and
DK to the Raiders for Max Crosby. Now, Max Crosby
and the Raiders turned it down. Obviously, the Crosby just
signed a three year, one hundred and six million dollar contract.
So on one hand, I could give you Max Crosby
for Geno and DK. Or on the other hand, let's
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say they trade DK for a let's just say a
second round draft pick. Would you rather have a second
or third round draft pick is compensation for Geno and DK?
Or would you rather have Max Crosby at three years,
thirty two million dollars a season? How old is cars
twenty seven years of age. I know that that he
was just a terror, he's a record, But last year
he really slipped. That's my that's my understanding. Without having
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looked at the tape.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I mean, I generally like to to look at guy's
tape before I give an evel, but that's kind of
how I just had the impression that he really dropped.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Well, he went from yeah, I mean he went at
least just in Sacks. Now that doesn't mean everything, but
he went from twelve point five in twenty twenty two
to fourteen point five to seven point five last year. Now,
he did play five less games, so that's the equivalent
of about ten sacks. So he went let's say he
played the whole season, he went from fourteen point five
to about ten. So you're right, the sack numbers did slip.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think it's kind
of a moot point.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I don't think Crosby's going to be available to us,
you know, so clearly.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
That's what I'm just saying, because like, if would have
made that deal, I think.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Be in our wheels about Max Crosby. But yeah, I
think had that been on the table, it would have
absolutely been irrelevant. Yeah, talking point in Seattle, Washington. But
at this point, I think it's just you know, coffee beer.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
My point is I'd rather have the picks than Max Crosby.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Right, But his point is that it's not happening, So whatever, Right,
irrelevant Again.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
How about you're saying you and it's just you're talking
about a second round pick.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, I'm talking about a second round then for DKA
And that's that's the.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Best rate that we've had in the second round.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, DK was one, okay, I mean, yeah, that's one. Guys.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I don't even know what we're talking about here, to
be honest with you, like, I mean, are we're just
talking about the idea of a hypothetical Max Crosby trade
that never happened. I mean, there's there's all kinds of
stuff getting tossed around. Sam Darnold's getting tossed around. Aaron
Rodgers is even getting tossed around. Justin Fields is getting
tossed around. Sam Howe as of now today, on March
the seventh, is your starting quarterback. I mean it's March
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the seventh. He got six months, for God's sakes, and
something's gonna happen soon. So I think we need to
kind of dive into this a little bit more and
also talk about how John Schneider spends this money.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
What did you say, Dick. The Seahawks are now in.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Cas saven like top five, top ten in the NFL,
seventh in cap space, so they've gone from over the
cap to number seven in the NFL. I mean, Hugh,
you and I were talking off the AAR today about
the mismanagement of the roster that led to this situation. Well, now,
John Schneider's got a shot right to do some damage
in free agency, in the trade route, to take on
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some contracts because he's got some money to spend.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
So you're giggling at that.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
And I know why you're giggling at that, because we've
been here before and they haven't spent the money properly.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So let's come back. We're gonna break more with you.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Gino Smith again traded to the Raiders for a third
round draft pick. Humiln responding his take on at Corbyn. Smith,
by the way, we're gonna check on him and make
sure if he's still walking up right, coming up at
six thirty tonight right here on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
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Speaker 2 (18:45):
Smith on the roll pros for the goal line. It
is caught for the touchdown. Walk it going, load pulling
in Smith to throw Kresher Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Watchinson runs away, great crow, walk it down, It's over.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Let Seahawks win it.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
All right, We are back on a busy Friday afternoon
right here on ninety three three KJARFM. Whatever we had
planned for the rest of the show, you may as
well just blow it to Kingdom come because Geno Smith
is no longer a Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You heard that right.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
The Seahawks are trading Geno Smith to Pete Carroll and
the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Just a flash of hormonal upsurge or something for the
number ninety two pick in the third round.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Multiple reports out the Seahawks and Geno Smith were far
apart in a contract negotiation extension, with the Seahawks offering
around thirty five million, Gino wanting around forty five million.
So the Seahawks said, Sayonara.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Goodbye, you're moving on. We're gonna go out and find
somebody else.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Doesn't necessarily mean he's gonna get forty five million from.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Pete Well, Diana Rossini is reporting he is. You're gonna
give in between forty and forty five five million dollars
to play for the Las Vegas Raiders. So we'll see
what happens down there. But Hugh Millan rejoins us.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Hugh.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Obviously, the Geno Smith trade is the number one story
of the day and will be in the number one
story for a long long time. We'll see how quickly
this thing moves in regards to a new quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Free agency begins on the.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Twelfth, five days from now, so we may know very
soon what the quarterback situation looks like. But it certainly
appears that the leader in the clubhouse to replace Gino
Smith here in Seattle is Sam Darnold. You and I,
all of us watched them play at USC. We watched
them struggle for a couple of years with the Jets
and then move on to places like San Francisco, Carolina,
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and then recently kind of a resurgence in Minnesota, was
having an MVP caliber year and then really fell apart
right in the final two games of the season, including
the playoffs. But you're looking for if you're looking for
a replacement for Gino, I think it's important to note
that we're talking about a guy that was beloved here
in that locker room, very well respected in the locker room.
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So you're not just looking for a good player and
a great player, but you're looking for a great leader.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Is Sam Donald? Maybe that guy?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Well, I'll tell you a story.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I'm only a personal anecdote only because I think it's
relevant right now. So my son was getting recruited by USC.
He was in school, but I was down in LA
and Clay Hilton invited me out to a spring practice.
So I go to USC and I'm just meeting with
Clay Helton and he had arranged for Sam Donald to
come by to meet. So Donald comes by and the
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three of us are in the office and I'm just
meeting with him and just, you know, look what kind
of impression can you get for from ten minutes? But
this guy looks in the eyes, really humble guy. Now,
I'm not going to base a story just on my
ten minutes. In addition to that, they what Clay Hilton
said about Donald. He said, look, this guy is the
son of a three hundred pounds plumber. Everybody loves him.
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You know, He's just kind of a everyday kind of guy.
There had been a much higher recruited quarterback in that
class that Darnold had beat out early on and sent
that guy packing. Now fast forward that afternoon, I go
to practice. The Trojans are practicing and Helton waves me out.
I've never had this. Helton waves me out to stand
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next to him right between the hashes. I watched the
whole practice out on the field standing next to Helton.
I'm five feet away from the huddle. I'm talking to
Ivan Lewis, as you know, was the Husky strength coach
who was at USC, who is now the Seahawks head
strength coach. I'm talking to a lot of coaches, and
here's the impression that I got. Everybody raved about this guy,
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like he was some kind of messiah. Like I'm sitting
there thinking, these guys are raving, raving about the person,
the player, the leader. This guy made such an imprint
at USC. I was blown away because I'm sitting in
there going I can't belie, you know, at a place like USC,
think of the tradition they have this. I mean, this
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is not Arkansas State and they got some guy going
in the first round. This is USC, and they just
could not have been more glowing. I just remember coming
out of there going this, Sam Donald is a unique
human being. And I don't think that anything has transpired
in his professional career to move people off of that.
It's probably just the lack of performance. But he was revered.
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I mean, capital are revered at USC.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Well, what fascinates me about his story is he only
has one great year on his resume, right, and so
I don't think he can command the type of money
that the top five, six, seven quarterbacks in the NFL
are making. However, if he decides to bet on himself
and take a short term contract and he does prove
himself over the first three great years of his career,
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then he could be making that. So if you were
Sam Donald, would you just take, Hey, the market value
Cordius track Hugh says, four years, one hundred and sixty million,
so forty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Would you just sign for that and say, hey, this
is my big deal?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Or so you know, I'm gonna go shorter because I
think I'm a sixty million dollar quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I just know I can't get it right now because
I don't have the resume.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I don't know, you know how lucky he feels that
there's been guys that have have really pushed the envelope.
I mean, Lamar Jackson comes to mind, you know, I mean,
he really resisted, resisted, Nope, I'm worth more, I'm worth more,
I'm with warr and then more, and it played played out.
Some guys just want the security. So I don't know
what's in his head that. As I mentioned, he comes
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from really humble background and middle class background.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Look, I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, well, there's been a lot of names tossed out.
You've been on the Daniel Jones bus ever since he
got let go by the Giants. Heck, you've been on
the Daniel Jones bus ever since he started having a
problem in New York. That getting him out of there
may be the best thing for him. So if they
do bring him here and he ends up flourishing, I'll
give you a kudo because you called that before anybody.
But Justin Field's name is getting tossed out there. Kirk
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cousins name is getting tossed out there. And I mean
a name that I just find to be ridiculous, but
I'll bring it up anyway. And I Chuck has mentioned
the possibility of Aaron Rodgers coming to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
What does that do for you?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Well, I think that he is really uh just changed
the way people perceive him. He's a four time MVP.
He's the first ballot Hall of Fame, no question. But
I think he brings a lot of baggage. He's a
high maintenance guy. You know, uh, you know if if
if he was a chick, I mean you want, I mean,
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this would be a needy gal that needs everything. If
you're trying to date this guy, high high maintenance and uh,
you know, I think can be divisive. I think he's
willing to uh criticize teammates that that that stunt that
he pulled where he went off to Egypt in the
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man Tory Minichamp. He's coming off an Achilles heel and
that team is trying to turn things around and their
first opportunity to unite as a team, and he says
he needs to be in Egypt. You know, I don't know,
doing a stants with a camel, I don't know. I
just can't believe that anybody would really want to have
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much to do with that guy unless you're desperate.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Well, whoever they bring in, he's gonna need some receivers.
And if DK is not here, then all of a sudden,
JSN is your number one he was? Is JSN a
number one caliber wide receiver in your mind? Talent wise,
I don't see it yet.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I think that he really benefited from the almost always
the elite corner. If they're going to travel. If they traveled,
it was always with DK. They didn't always travel, but
they always traveled with DK. The road coverage, what have you.
I don't think he's a one yet. No, I think
that he's a really good two. And maybe, you know,
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maybe some teams don't have a one in a two.
Maybe a team may have two good twos. But it's
it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I was on a.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Zoom for the thirty third team. There's a guy named
Mike Giddings. His father founded Pro Scout in nineteen seventy seven.
They are consultant to thirty three Super Bowl teams and
twelve Hall of Fame coaches. Mike Gettings is about my age.
Has been doing this his entire life. I listened to
him two days ago and I went back and replayed
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it to quote. He says, I take the twenty Super
Bowl winners and match up the twenty eight positions. So G,
I'm a and I'm looking at this chart. You know,
his color coded chart, where blues are the best player,
reds are the next best player, in purples of the
third best. And he goes, look at this chart, So Ge,
I'm a genius. You need a blue quarterback to win
a Super Bowl. And then I'm reading to quote quote
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he goes, but it's interesting that the next position is
a wide receiver, the third position is a center. But
in a guy that has spent his entire life being
paid by the NFL Front offices to consult, he says
that the number two correlation to being a Super Bowl
winner is to have a blue receiver. So, uh, you know,
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take that for what it's worth. And by the way,
the Eagles were had one in aj Brown, gotcha then
arguably too with DeVante Smith.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
All right, heree, great stuff, man. I want you to
jam on this all weekend. I want you doing nothing
but watching tape on Sam Darnold, nothing but breaking down
this trade and be ready to share you on Monday
a little more for with us.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I don't care what you do with the morning show, but.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
You damn well be ready to go by Monday at
four o'clock. All right, pal, you'd be doing that anyways.
That'd be a hobby for me all weekend. All right,
here maailing good stuff out of him. A special visit
with Hugh because in case you're just flipping on the radio,
maybe you got a real job. Maybe you gotta wife
and kids. Maybe you got stuff you got to do
that makes actually, you know, is important. You can't sit
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around goofing around all day like we do. Gino Smith
has been traded to Pete Carroll and the Vegas Raiders
for a third round draft pick. I just called our
buddy Mike Florio. He's gonna hop on and give us
his reaction.
Speaker 7 (29:18):
Great.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
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Speaker 1 (29:46):
Here with our friend Mike Florio, who I just really
want to thank for being flexible with his time Friday nights. Yeah,
family time, man, and we are with some bourbon interrupting
his family time, his drinking time, his party time to
be with us on the air and talk about Geno
Smith being traded to the Las Vegas Raiders for a
third round pick. Mike, thank you so much for agreeing
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to join us on the show. Happy Friday.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
How are you?
Speaker 9 (30:10):
There aren't many things I'll say no to when you
offer me five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, yeah, Deck, I forgot we're taking five thousand bucks
out of your paget. Jackson was getting floor. I don't
make five thousand, that's right. Yeah, there's only one person
that can cover that well. Geno Smith traded to the
Raiders for a third round draft pick. Your reaction, man.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
We had John Schneider with this ten days ago. He
was sitting five feet away from me.
Speaker 9 (30:34):
I said, is there any doubt Geno Smith is the
guy for twenty twenty five?
Speaker 7 (30:38):
And he said no.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
But he then said they were planning to meet with
Gino's agents in Indianapolis. That is the hub of those
kinds of three started the league year conversations. And we've
talked in the past about how Geno's contract needs.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
To be redone.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
He had the high cap number, he was going to
make twenty five million. And my understanding is when that
meeting happened, Geno's people wanted and the Seahawks has decided
they could find somebody else for less than that, And
there's no way this is a big takeaway. There's no
way in hell John Schneider agrees to trade Geno Smith,
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the guy that Mike McDonald has said, you can win
a championship with the guy that new offensive coordinator Clint
Kubeck said with a huge draw of Seattle. There is
no way you pull the trigger on that trade if
you don't have a clear plan in place. And I
think that the next step here is going to be
finding out at nine am Pacific time on Monday, or
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maybe even there will be a leak over the weekend,
although any evidence of this would be evidence of tampering.
That they've got a deal in place with Sam Donald
and my guests would be the only responsible way to
do it is to be damn sure that Donald is
going to take your offer, whatever it is, so dollar
for dollar, Donald, in their view, will be better than
Geno Smith or whatever he wanted.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
So at the time I think John Schneider was telling
the truth.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
But the reality is Smith's people made an offer they
didn't they didn't expect, and they had to pivot. Now,
I don't know that it's going to be Donald, but
it just makes sense that Donald, who by all appearances
wasn't getting the kind of of interest that would suggest
he's getting anything close to the top of the market
or fifty million or something like that. It would make
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sense if they thought they could get Donald for maybe
thirty a year, they unofficially pull that trigger and then
officially pull the trigger to send Geno Smith to the Raiders.
So take heart, Seahawks fans. They're not letting Geno go
without a plan, a clear plan that they know they're
going to be able to execute, to replace Gino Smith
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with somebody dollar for.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Dollar as good or better.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Well, how much better tell me what your opinion of
Sam Donald is as a quarterback visa v.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Geno Smith.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
Remember when they.
Speaker 9 (32:53):
Traded for Sam Howell last year, one of the selling
points was the way he played in Seattle. Now the
Commander's lost that game, but.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
Howell played well. What did Sam Donald do Week sixteen?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Look very good?
Speaker 7 (33:04):
What did he do?
Speaker 9 (33:06):
Twenty two two and forty six yards, three touchdowns, a
thirty nine yard game winner where he ran up in
the pocket and fired a laser to j Justin Jefferson,
and that's the kind of thing that becomes a selling point.
And to the extent that there's any fear out there
that he's going.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
To revert to what he was with the Jets, the
Seahawkives just had a starter for three years.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
Who was one of the prior failed Jets rookies who
never panned out there, So they're not going to be
nervous about Donald reverting. Now. I would be concerned that
you can't duplicate what happened last year. But this is
a decision that.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
I think they made.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
I don't know that, but common sense all signs point
to Donald, and often when all signs pointed something like that,
they pulled something else. I mean, help for all I know,
they're going to try to make a trade and bring
Trevor Lawrence in Seattle. And that's just a random dart.
I'm just saying they're gonna have a plan. Whatever they
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are doing. They're not letting Geno Smith go without being
damn sure they can replace him either with someone better
or someone who is more economically better. And then you
have other dollars that you could allocate. And if they
just thought forty million a year was too rich for
their blood. They had to do something else, and they're
gonna do it. They're not just gonna say Geno's out
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and Sam Howe's the starter.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Although only they know.
Speaker 9 (34:28):
How they feel about Sam Howe. I would be stunned
if they go to Howe. But you know what if
they go to how He's making a million this year,
So dollar for dollar, I am confident in saying that
if Gino wants forty and Sam Howe is getting one
dollar for dollars, Sam Howe's probably better because you're talking
about one fortieth of the total overall compensation for Sam
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Howell in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
Although I just don't think they can do that.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
They need somebody that the customers will be able to
understand and get behind the idea as to why they
made the trade.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Well, I think you were the one, Mike and Mike
Florio with US Seahawks trading Gino Smith to the Raiders
for a third round pick. I think you were the
one that said, hey, look, if you're a Seahawk fan,
you want Sam Howell to do really well, because then
you could justify going to him as you're starting quarterback
in twenty five and paying him a million bucks. He
just never got that chance, and when he came in
for a game, he looked terrible. So I think that'd
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be phenomenal, but likely not going to happen. But Mike
Florio again with us on the air, and I mean, look,
it looks like they're getting the ninety second pick in
the third round. Garafalo said there was a misprint on
the NFL draft order that that was a pick that
was belonging to the Jets, but it actually went to
the Raiders and the Devonte Adams trade and now belongs
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to the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Have you confirmed that that this is the.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Ninety second pick and not the sixty eighth pick in
the third round?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I have not.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
I have not.
Speaker 9 (35:52):
That is not yet doubled up to the top of
my priority list.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
On a Friday night.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
No.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Dk Metcalf, you were pretty Hrmann thinking that he was
going to be gone from the Seahawks. Does this move
your needle either way towards staying here or going if
Gino Smith is no longer here.
Speaker 9 (36:12):
Well, it was just yesterday that John Schneider addressed the
DK Metcalf situation, and he said, worst Kate scenario, we
have a great athlete at the receiver position for another year.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
And I don't know.
Speaker 9 (36:24):
If that was just an in art full use of words,
but worst case scenario is not ringing endorsement. The k
Metcalf is coming back, and I would suspect it. Yesterday
John Schneider had at least some inkling that this Geno Smith.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
Thing could happen. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
And I every once in a while I kicked myself
because I had something on my list that I meant
to write at PFT and I didn't get around to it.
But we were doing some work yesterday to get all
of the Max Crosby details. He did that new contract
on Wednesday in Vegas and we had the full breakdown.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
So I was talking to somebody in.
Speaker 9 (36:57):
The know and I said, hey, hey, listen, before I
let you go, why have they shown no interest in
Aaron Rodgers? And the person said to me, I think
Pete wants Gino Smith. So if that was out there yesterday,
John knew about that, I would assume and knew that
this was a possibility, and he wouldn't use the phrase
worst case scenario.
Speaker 7 (37:16):
Because I went to this spot.
Speaker 9 (37:19):
If there's any truth to some of this stuff we've
seen out there, the DK Metcalf wants to play with
a better quarterback, does he pause now and think, well,
I don't know, maybe Sam Donald's better. He was on
the sideline when Donald threw that thirty nine yard laser
to Justin Jefferson, And I guess the ultimate litmus test
is whether or not the Raiders continue to be in
the mix for DK Metcalf. ESPN reported yesterday the Raiders
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called about DK. If they ultimately get DK, I would
assume there's.
Speaker 7 (37:46):
No issue between DK and Geno Smith, right.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
What about Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Hugh Mallan's been on Daniel Jones for a while, says
he just needs to get the hell out of New York.
He got out he was on the Vikings practice. I
don't know what his future there looks like with McCarthy
coming back off the knee injury. But should Daniel Jones
be a guy that should be and might be on
the Seahawks radar.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
That's possibility as well.
Speaker 9 (38:12):
Now it's more of a risk because we've yet to
see him perform at a high level anywhere else. But
all you gonna do is go back to twenty twenty three,
and look at what he did. He won a playoff
game in Minnesota, which is not an easy thing to do,
so I guess he's possible as well. I just think
it's so obvious it's Donald.
Speaker 7 (38:27):
Maybe it is Daniel Jones. I don't know. Daniel Jones
would be cheaper than Sam Donald.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
But the reason I think it's Donald is because there's
just been no indication that anyone is out there in
the weeds waiting to give Donald a massive contract, and
I think at the Vikings thought that there was, they
would have tagged him and traded.
Speaker 7 (38:43):
Into that team.
Speaker 9 (38:44):
So Donald makes the most sense, but Daniel Jones is
another viable alternative. If they just can't close the deal
with Sam Donald, maybe they think we're going to.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
Get Donald or Jones.
Speaker 9 (38:54):
Let's just spend the weekend preparing for the moment where
we can officially start making it.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
Although I was told earlier this week.
Speaker 9 (39:02):
That it's likely there's gonna be more activity on Saturday
and Sunday in advance of the opening of the negotiating
window than we've seen in the past. Not that anybody's
gonna announce it to the world because it's it's tampering,
but it hasn't happened as much in the past. I
think it could happen this weekend, and I would not
be surprised.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
And I would fully expect it.
Speaker 9 (39:22):
As of right now this moment, John Schneider knows who
he's getting on Monday.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Got you all right?
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Man?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
We will talk on Wednesday, big day in free agency,
and by then we might even know what the Hawks
are doing at the quarterback spot.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
So whatever you had planned on Friday.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
By Wednesday, hell, we might all know by Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
We might know by the weekend.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
For God's sake, whatever you had planned on a Friday,
go back to doing it.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
Man.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
We'll talk on on Wednesday.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
Man.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Thanks Pale, Mike Florio with us on the radio show.
We'll get a break. We're gonna grab some of your
phone calls. Two eight six ninety five ninety five. Does
the eight hundred line even still work around here? Does
the pound nine to fifty carphone still work?
Speaker 6 (39:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
That's gone okay, rich boy, the car phone that's no
longer a deal.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Here sports baby, Yeah, yeah, you want to chime in,
guys on this. Geno Smith has been traded to the
Raiders for a third round draft pick. You tell us
if John Schneider made the right call, because we're getting
down to it like we had with the Jamal Adams people.
The people that like the trade think the people that
hate the trade are morons. The people that hate the
trade think the people that like the trade are imbeciles,
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that there's no middle ground here.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Why can't we all just get along?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
For God's sakes, John Schneider says, I don't care what
you guys think. I'm trading him and he's done. Geno
Smith is now a Raider and the Seahawks need a
new starting quarterback. Jump on the horn, give us your
take on this right move a wrong move? Two eight six,
ninety five ninety five next on ninety three three KJRFM
By way, let's get right to it because there's some
big news and the National Football League. Geno Smith is
no longer a Seattle Seahawk. He is now a member
of the Las Vegas Raiders. Hugh Millen joining us right
now to talk about it on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline.
Hueye your reaction, Geno Smith is gone to the Vegas
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Raiders for a third round pick.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Flora's yours.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm very surprised. I credit the Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I think that they kind of looked at where they
were and and I've kind of repeatedly described as many
have Gino as an average quarterback, and and and that's okay,
that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
If you were a team without even an.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Average quarterback or a good quarterback, if you were a
team with a poor quarterback, you'd be loving an average quarterback.
So it's not necessarily as dispara gene as it sounds.
But you get a guy, or you've got a guy
in Gino that's gonna be thirty five in October, and
there may be overtures that he wants a contract that
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is not commensurate with how the Seahawks view him. And
you know, the whole idea of the percentage of the cap.
Remember now, when in twenty twenty two he was making
one point four percent of the cap and this thing's
climbing well into double digits now. And that was one
of the appeals of having Gino. Now, if he wants
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to be paid like the top guys, they might just say, hey,
you're gonna be thirty five, let's try and find another
bridge quarterback or find somebody who has the potential to
be a longer, intermediate future guy.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Well, there's also another scenario, and that is that despite
what Mike McDonald and John Schneider have been telling us
the last months was obviously a little bit misleading, I
would say about how much they wanted Geno Smith. Maybe
they just thought, you know what, enough's enough. I mean,
we we're gonna cut guy. You know, We're just we're
gonna we're gonna let him go and and we're gonna try,
we're gonna pump him up, we're gonna try to find
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a suitor for him and see if we can find
a suitor for him.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And they did. How much of a possibility do you
think that was?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Well, I think that they would have a plan, Uh,
of who's gonna be their quarterback. If you're just gonna
a discharge the geno, then you know, I know there's
reports about Sam Donald. Uh, you gotta feel like that
is that that Hey is in the barn or that
you have multiple options that you're okay with and so look,
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I don't I don't know if something's imminent with regards
to Donald, but uh, I don't think that they would
just get rid of Dek and say, well, uh, the
option is that we have a one in four chance
about bidding for Sam Darnald and other than that, we
don't have a plan.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Seat Well, if it's not Sam Darnold, then who is
it for you? I mean, you know what the free
agent class looks like, you know what the rookie draft
class looks like. If it's not going to be him,
who's on Humillin's list, Well.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
For me, just kind of as a fan, I would
if it's not going to be those guys, I would
want to take a long look at Daniel Jones. I
think that Daniel Jones, I've said it to you guys before.
I think he has the toughest job in sports. Given
the offensive line that they've had, the wide receivers they've
had playing in New York, the media, the wind lousy team,
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a coach who's a Richard Head. I just think it's
really tough. And if you look at how glowingly you know,
like Justin Jefferson and Addison at Minnesota were saying, WHOA
look at Daniel Jones on these throws. Those reports are
out there. I've read them, and this guy signed for
three hundred and seventy five thousand with the Vikings. They've
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been raving about him. And so I think that you know,
in any given year, pick a year, blindfold yourself and
just stab at a year in the history of the
NFL now or fifteen years ago or nineteen seventy seven.
At any one time, you could always say, here's the
list of quarterbacks, and we've just ranked him in terms
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of the guy who's got the easiest job, and then
at the bottom list, we've ranked the guy who's got
the hardest job. They used to say Archie Manning is
a Hall of Fame level quarterback, but he was mired
and you know, stuck with the Saints in an era
where you couldn't get better with free agency. You know,
there's always been that guy. I think Daniel Jones is
that guy. We saw him in lumen Field with an
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inferior team. He outplayed Gino, he got the win. I'm
not saying that. You know, you'd say, well, there's a
lot of other times where you could have been in
the stadium and you saw him lose. But that'd be
a guy that I'd pursue. Because now a tenant to
that comment is the idea that you could get Daniel
Jones on a real cheap base is right, and that
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thirty you know, call it twenty five to thirty million
that you could save if that money was well spent.
You know, three really good players, really good players at
ten million each, like elite. Let you know, I don't
say elite, but really really quality players plus Daniel Jones.
I could see that being a pretty good team. Daniel
Jones might be the Geno, the Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
You know Sam Donald, Well, all Seahawks fans I should
be on Minnesota. I mean they've got Sam Donald, JJ McCarthy,
Daniel Jones, Nick Mullins.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I mean that is a.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Loaded quarterback room that they don't need all of those guys.
So let's move to Sam Donald. There's a report out there,
Diana Rossini's saying that the Seahawks reportally are interested in
signing him. How much of an upgrade, if at all,
is Sam Donald over Gino Smith.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Well, you know, I studied the tape with in advance
of the Minnesota game and what have you, And what
I saw from him was a guy that I was like, whoa,
this dude really stands in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
He is oblivious.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Now, I thought Gino was good in that regard some
of the times, in particular early the couple of first
couple of games, I thought he kind of deteriorated in
that regard. But Donald was just totally oblivious to the
grenades going off and whistling the ball down the field
and willing to throw into Justin Jefferson on things like
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the circus route, which is a double a double coverage
corner route where you have to throw it over the
corner into the side of the safety, just seam routes.
I mean, he was knifing balls in there. I've got
some stats here, guys. Now, had I had more time,
I probably would have organized it in a more logical
but I'm just gonna list the you know, list these
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and apologies if if maybe some of the order that
I'm I'm presenting them don't make sense, all right, So
I'm gonna go GINO first and then say them, Darnald,
the under center percentage, this everything, I'm gonna say. All
the numbers are the ranking. They're not the absolute numbers
he got me. They're the rankings. So GINO twenty ninth
in the league under center, Sam Donald third. All right,
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that dovetails to me. With play action. Passing yards per
attempt a year ago, GINO thirty fourth in the league,
Sam Donald fifth. Passer rating GINO nineteenth, Sam Donald sixth.
Percent of completions for a first down or touchdown GINO
ranked twenty fourth, Sam Donald fifth. Yards per completion GINO
twenty third, Sam Donald sixth. Passing touchdowns per attempt GINO
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thirty second, Sam Donald seventh. Air yards per attempt that's
from the line of scrimmage on all passes attempted GINO thirtieth,
Sam Donald eleventh. Attempts going five yards are more from
the line of scrimmage GINO thirty second, Sam Donald fourth.
Average depth of target GINO thirtieth, Sam Donald eleventh. Completions
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of twenty five or more yards Gino thirteenth, Sam Donald first.
Play action passing yards per attempt Gino thirty fourth, Sam
Donald fifth. I'm getting close to the end here. Average
depth of target Gino thirtieth, Sam Donald eleventh. Red zone
passing touchdowns Gino's seventeenth, Sam Donald fourth. These last three, hey,
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they the last, These last three speak to the pressure.
Somebody's well, what about you know? How is he pressured? Okay, clean?
This is coming from the NFL SCAT portal clean and
it's and I quoted, I wrote down. It says percent
of quarterback dropbacks without pressure in the pocket. Here's something
Gino twenty eighth at fifty five point four percent, Sam
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Donald thirty At that fifty four percent point seven, they
were point seven away. Basically they had the same pocket
pressured percentage Gino thirty eight point six percent. That was
ranked thirty fourth. Uh, Sam Donald ranks thirty first at
thirty eight point one. They're point five percent away. And
then the fire. But here's the final one. I will
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close with this. This is something to take note of.
The passer rating when pressure. Gino twenty eighth in the league,
sixty point five passer rating when pressured, Sam Donald fourth
in the league eighty seven point one win pressured, So
that's putting them under you know, circumstances when they are pressured.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
So those are some numbers. Look, I think there's no question.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
That Sam Donald had a better season in twenty twenty
four than Gino. If you want to if you want
to get things muddy, you'd have to bring in prior years.
And that's what you say. Sam Donald has some comparisons
to Geno.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Well, and by the way, you know who Sam Donald's
past game coordinator was with the Niners in twenty three, Kubiak,
by the way, with him, so he does have familiarity
with him. Obviously, Dick brought up this question with Mike
Homgrin about an hour ago.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
This move.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I remember we talked about this with Ryan Grubb. Remember
when Ryan Grubb got fired. We asked you on the air,
what is this due to your needle in regards to
Geno coming back? Well, what is this due to your
needle in regards to DK Metcalf coming back? The fact
that they've just opened up a buttload of cap room
that got rid of their quarterback. They'll assumably bring in
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somebody else. Does this increase or decrease the odds or
make no change to the odds of DK Metcalf staying
at seahawk.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Well, the sensible answers we don't know, right because we
don't know what's prioritizing DK's requests. But you know, just
a stat that I cited this morning with Chuck the
catchable rate a year ago that for DK, out of
eighty qualifying wide receivers, he was seventy sixth in the
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percent of catchable balls. It was just fifty eight point
zero percent. Again that you know, other quarterbacks were up
at eighty seven eighty eight our receivers up at eighty
seven eighty eight percent. So it's not just how are
your targeted? Are they quote catchable? And so again he was.
He was fourth in the bottom in terms of the percentage.
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So look, I think I think by the way, this
morning I cided air yards to stick. Sam Donald was sixth,
Geno Smith was thirty seventh. There's an aggression there in
Sam Donald that that Geno didn't have. In fact, the
next gen stats have a aggressiveness and that's their word,
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not mine, and they call m Geno's rank thirty second.
I didn't I should have peaked it at Donald, So
so there may be put it this way. Do I
think that there's a chance that Dka was frustrated with
the performance of of Geno. Absolutely, and so I would
say it goes up. That would be my guess. That
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goes up, goes up, that it comes back, goes up,
that it comes back.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Got you go got you how much?
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I'd right, Hey, guys, let me just jump in for
a quick second, because we're asking. Dick started to interrupt
what draft pick the Hawks were getting, the specific number,
and this is great that Mike Garifalo corrected this. So
Mike Garifollo is reporting that the pick the Seahawks are
going to get is number ninety two in the third round.
If you search the draft order online, the Jets were
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listed as having that pick. That was a mistake. It
went to Vegas and the Devonte Adams deal and belonged
to the Raiders. So that pick is now the Seahawks
pick at number ninety two. We thought it might be
sixty eight, it's actually.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Ninety So, Hugh, that's where I was actually going to
go with my next question, what do you think of
the compensation? Now it's actually almost a round lower than
we thought it was going to be. But it is
still a third round draft pick. Yeah, wasn't Russell seventy five?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Correct? Yeah? Seventy fifth yep?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah, yeah, so in the third round obviously, well yeah,
it's almost a round lower.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
That's five picks away from the fourth round or comp
picks by the way.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
So yeah, I don't know that I really specialize on
the granularity of the value in these type of deals.
You know, look, we're talking about a quarterback, but we're
talking about a thirty five year old quarterback that may
have exorbitant contract demands and who has proven to only
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be you know, you take a numbers based argument, you're
just going to arrive right at average with GINO, not
not necessarily below average or a lot below average, and
not necessarily a lot above average.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I think just right at slightly above average or below.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
So I don't if I just don't know, don't I
don't know the market, I don't I don't know if
Seattle got fleeced or if Seattle did the fleecing.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, and look, I was going to just add that
to me. I don't know how you guys feel. But
the exciting part of the GENO Smith trade is the
cap space that opens up and the ability to now
go after a quarterback that, let's face it, maybe a star.
I mean, they were never going to have a star
in Gino Smith. They were going to have a good player,
but never a star. I mean, whether it's an early
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third or a late third or a low fourth or whatever.
I mean, Hugh, I don't know about you, but the
compensation to me is important. But the ability to upgrade
that position. Yeah, and the cap space that's been opened
up to potentially help out the offensive line, that's what's
got me fired up.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I just think that they're they're looking and they're saying, hey,
we're tapped out. I mean, I've found it kind of peculiar,
kind of amusing that the Seattle sports fan gets Twitter
paidd with Jerry Depoto in his fifty four percent comment,
and yet here we are Gino Smith in three seasons
since Russell left, he has a twenty seven and twenty
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three record, and that's exactly fifty four percent, And like,
where's the outrage for that? And so certainly I have
I kind of echo your a sentiments that for me
just saying Okay, we're not.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Going to stand Pat at fifty four percent. So I
appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
There was a report that the Seahawks offered Geno and
DK to the Raiders for Max Crosby. Now, Max Crosby
and the Raiders turned it down. Obviously, the Crosby just
signed a three year, one hundred and six million dollar contract.
So on one hand, I could give you Max Crosby
for Geno and DK. Or on the other hand, let's
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say they trade DK for a let's just say a
second round draft pick. Would you rather have a second
or third round draft pick is compensation for Geno and DK?
Or would you rather have Max Crosby at three years,
thirty two million dollars a season? How old is cars
twenty seven years of age. I know that that he
was just a terror, he's a record, But last year
he really slipped. That's my that's my understanding. Without having
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looked at the tape.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I mean, I generally like to to look at guy's
tape before I give an evel, but that's kind of
how I just had the impression that he really dropped.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Well, he went from yeah, I mean he went at
least just in Sacks. Now that doesn't mean everything, but
he went from twelve point five in twenty twenty two
to fourteen point five to seven point five last year. Now,
he did play five less games, so that's the equivalent
of about ten sacks. So he went let's say he
played the whole season, he went from fourteen point five
to about ten. So you're right, the sack numbers did slip.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think it's kind
of a moot point.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I don't think Crosby's going to be available to us,
you know, so clearly.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
That's what I'm just saying, because like, if would have
made that deal, I think.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Be in our wheels about Max Crosby. But yeah, I
think had that been on the table, it would have
absolutely been irrelevant. Yeah, talking point in Seattle, Washington. But
at this point, I think it's just you know, coffee beer.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
My point is I'd rather have the picks than Max Crosby.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Right, But his point is that it's not happening, So whatever, Right,
irrelevant Again.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
How about you're saying you and it's just you're talking
about a second round pick.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, I'm talking about a second round then for DKA
And that's that's the.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Best rate that we've had in the second round.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, DK was one, okay, I mean, yeah, that's one. Guys.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I don't even know what we're talking about here, to
be honest with you, like, I mean, are we're just
talking about the idea of a hypothetical Max Crosby trade
that never happened. I mean, there's there's all kinds of
stuff getting tossed around. Sam Darnold's getting tossed around. Aaron
Rodgers is even getting tossed around. Justin Fields is getting
tossed around. Sam Howe as of now today, on March
the seventh, is your starting quarterback. I mean it's March
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the seventh. He got six months, for God's sakes, and
something's gonna happen soon. So I think we need to
kind of dive into this a little bit more and
also talk about how John Schneider spends this money.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
What did you say, Dick. The Seahawks are now in.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Cas saven like top five, top ten in the NFL,
seventh in cap space, so they've gone from over the
cap to number seven in the NFL. I mean, Hugh,
you and I were talking off the AAR today about
the mismanagement of the roster that led to this situation. Well, now,
John Schneider's got a shot right to do some damage
in free agency, in the trade route, to take on
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some contracts because he's got some money to spend.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
So you're giggling at that.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
And I know why you're giggling at that, because we've
been here before and they haven't spent the money properly.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So let's come back. We're gonna break more with you.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Gino Smith again traded to the Raiders for a third
round draft pick. Humiln responding his take on at Corbyn. Smith,
by the way, we're gonna check on him and make
sure if he's still walking up right, coming up at
six thirty tonight right here on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Live from the R and R Foundation Specialists Broadcast Studio.
Now back to Softie and Dick on your home for
the Huskies and the Creuking Sports Radio ninety three point
three kjr FM.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Smith on the roll pros for the goal line. It
is caught for the touchdown. Walk it going, load pulling
in Smith to throw Kresher Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Watchinson runs away, great crow, walk it down, It's over.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Let Seahawks win it.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
All right, We are back on a busy Friday afternoon
right here on ninety three three KJARFM. Whatever we had
planned for the rest of the show, you may as
well just blow it to Kingdom come because Geno Smith
is no longer a Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You heard that right.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
The Seahawks are trading Geno Smith to Pete Carroll and
the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Just a flash of hormonal upsurge or something for the
number ninety two pick in the third round.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Multiple reports out the Seahawks and Geno Smith were far
apart in a contract negotiation extension, with the Seahawks offering
around thirty five million, Gino wanting around forty five million.
So the Seahawks said, Sayonara.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Goodbye, you're moving on. We're gonna go out and find
somebody else.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Doesn't necessarily mean he's gonna get forty five million from.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Pete Well, Diana Rossini is reporting he is. You're gonna
give in between forty and forty five five million dollars
to play for the Las Vegas Raiders. So we'll see
what happens down there. But Hugh Millan rejoins us.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Hugh.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Obviously, the Geno Smith trade is the number one story
of the day and will be in the number one
story for a long long time. We'll see how quickly
this thing moves in regards to a new quarterback.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Free agency begins on the.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Twelfth, five days from now, so we may know very
soon what the quarterback situation looks like. But it certainly
appears that the leader in the clubhouse to replace Gino
Smith here in Seattle is Sam Darnold. You and I,
all of us watched them play at USC. We watched
them struggle for a couple of years with the Jets
and then move on to places like San Francisco, Carolina,
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and then recently kind of a resurgence in Minnesota, was
having an MVP caliber year and then really fell apart
right in the final two games of the season, including
the playoffs. But you're looking for if you're looking for
a replacement for Gino, I think it's important to note
that we're talking about a guy that was beloved here
in that locker room, very well respected in the locker room.
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So you're not just looking for a good player and
a great player, but you're looking for a great leader.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Is Sam Donald? Maybe that guy?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Well, I'll tell you a story.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I'm only a personal anecdote only because I think it's
relevant right now. So my son was getting recruited by USC.
He was in school, but I was down in LA
and Clay Hilton invited me out to a spring practice.
So I go to USC and I'm just meeting with
Clay Helton and he had arranged for Sam Donald to
come by to meet. So Donald comes by and the
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three of us are in the office and I'm just
meeting with him and just, you know, look what kind
of impression can you get for from ten minutes? But
this guy looks in the eyes, really humble guy. Now,
I'm not going to base a story just on my
ten minutes. In addition to that, they what Clay Hilton
said about Donald. He said, look, this guy is the
son of a three hundred pounds plumber. Everybody loves him.
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You know, He's just kind of a everyday kind of guy.
There had been a much higher recruited quarterback in that
class that Darnold had beat out early on and sent
that guy packing. Now fast forward that afternoon, I go
to practice. The Trojans are practicing and Helton waves me out.
I've never had this. Helton waves me out to stand
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next to him right between the hashes. I watched the
whole practice out on the field standing next to Helton.
I'm five feet away from the huddle. I'm talking to
Ivan Lewis, as you know, was the Husky strength coach
who was at USC, who is now the Seahawks head
strength coach. I'm talking to a lot of coaches, and
here's the impression that I got. Everybody raved about this guy,
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like he was some kind of messiah. Like I'm sitting
there thinking, these guys are raving, raving about the person,
the player, the leader. This guy made such an imprint
at USC. I was blown away because I'm sitting in
there going I can't belie, you know, at a place like USC,
think of the tradition they have this. I mean, this
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is not Arkansas State and they got some guy going
in the first round. This is USC, and they just
could not have been more glowing. I just remember coming
out of there going this, Sam Donald is a unique
human being. And I don't think that anything has transpired
in his professional career to move people off of that.
It's probably just the lack of performance. But he was revered.
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I mean, capital are revered at USC.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Well, what fascinates me about his story is he only
has one great year on his resume, right, and so
I don't think he can command the type of money
that the top five, six, seven quarterbacks in the NFL
are making. However, if he decides to bet on himself
and take a short term contract and he does prove
himself over the first three great years of his career,
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then he could be making that. So if you were
Sam Donald, would you just take, Hey, the market value
Cordius track Hugh says, four years, one hundred and sixty million,
so forty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Would you just sign for that and say, hey, this
is my big deal?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Or so you know, I'm gonna go shorter because I
think I'm a sixty million dollar quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I just know I can't get it right now because
I don't have the resume.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I don't know, you know how lucky he feels that
there's been guys that have have really pushed the envelope.
I mean, Lamar Jackson comes to mind, you know, I mean,
he really resisted, resisted, Nope, I'm worth more, I'm worth more,
I'm with warr and then more, and it played played out.
Some guys just want the security. So I don't know
what's in his head that. As I mentioned, he comes
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from really humble background and middle class background.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Look, I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, well, there's been a lot of names tossed out.
You've been on the Daniel Jones bus ever since he
got let go by the Giants. Heck, you've been on
the Daniel Jones bus ever since he started having a
problem in New York. That getting him out of there
may be the best thing for him. So if they
do bring him here and he ends up flourishing, I'll
give you a kudo because you called that before anybody.
But Justin Field's name is getting tossed out there. Kirk
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cousins name is getting tossed out there. And I mean
a name that I just find to be ridiculous, but
I'll bring it up anyway. And I Chuck has mentioned
the possibility of Aaron Rodgers coming to Seattle.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
What does that do for you?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Well, I think that he is really uh just changed
the way people perceive him. He's a four time MVP.
He's the first ballot Hall of Fame, no question. But
I think he brings a lot of baggage. He's a
high maintenance guy. You know, uh, you know if if
if he was a chick, I mean you want, I mean,
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this would be a needy gal that needs everything. If
you're trying to date this guy, high high maintenance and uh,
you know, I think can be divisive. I think he's
willing to uh criticize teammates that that that stunt that
he pulled where he went off to Egypt in the
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man Tory Minichamp. He's coming off an Achilles heel and
that team is trying to turn things around and their
first opportunity to unite as a team, and he says
he needs to be in Egypt. You know, I don't know,
doing a stants with a camel, I don't know. I
just can't believe that anybody would really want to have
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much to do with that guy unless you're desperate.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Well, whoever they bring in, he's gonna need some receivers.
And if DK is not here, then all of a sudden,
JSN is your number one he was? Is JSN a
number one caliber wide receiver in your mind? Talent wise,
I don't see it yet.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I think that he really benefited from the almost always
the elite corner. If they're going to travel. If they traveled,
it was always with DK. They didn't always travel, but
they always traveled with DK. The road coverage, what have you.
I don't think he's a one yet. No, I think
that he's a really good two. And maybe, you know,
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maybe some teams don't have a one in a two.
Maybe a team may have two good twos. But it's
it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I was on a.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Zoom for the thirty third team. There's a guy named
Mike Giddings. His father founded Pro Scout in nineteen seventy seven.
They are consultant to thirty three Super Bowl teams and
twelve Hall of Fame coaches. Mike Gettings is about my age.
Has been doing this his entire life. I listened to
him two days ago and I went back and replayed
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it to quote. He says, I take the twenty Super
Bowl winners and match up the twenty eight positions. So G,
I'm a and I'm looking at this chart. You know,
his color coded chart, where blues are the best player,
reds are the next best player, in purples of the
third best. And he goes, look at this chart, So Ge,
I'm a genius. You need a blue quarterback to win
a Super Bowl. And then I'm reading to quote quote
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he goes, but it's interesting that the next position is
a wide receiver, the third position is a center. But
in a guy that has spent his entire life being
paid by the NFL Front offices to consult, he says
that the number two correlation to being a Super Bowl
winner is to have a blue receiver. So, uh, you know,
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take that for what it's worth. And by the way,
the Eagles were had one in aj Brown, gotcha then
arguably too with DeVante Smith.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
All right, heree, great stuff, man. I want you to
jam on this all weekend. I want you doing nothing
but watching tape on Sam Darnold, nothing but breaking down
this trade and be ready to share you on Monday
a little more for with us.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I don't care what you do with the morning show, but.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
You damn well be ready to go by Monday at
four o'clock. All right, pal, you'd be doing that anyways.
That'd be a hobby for me all weekend. All right,
here maailing good stuff out of him. A special visit
with Hugh because in case you're just flipping on the radio,
maybe you got a real job. Maybe you gotta wife
and kids. Maybe you got stuff you got to do
that makes actually, you know, is important. You can't sit
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around goofing around all day like we do. Gino Smith
has been traded to Pete Carroll and the Vegas Raiders
for a third round draft pick. I just called our
buddy Mike Florio. He's gonna hop on and give us
his reaction.
Speaker 7 (29:18):
Great.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
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Speaker 1 (29:46):
Here with our friend Mike Florio, who I just really
want to thank for being flexible with his time Friday nights. Yeah,
family time, man, and we are with some bourbon interrupting
his family time, his drinking time, his party time to
be with us on the air and talk about Geno
Smith being traded to the Las Vegas Raiders for a
third round pick. Mike, thank you so much for agreeing
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to join us on the show. Happy Friday.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
How are you?
Speaker 9 (30:10):
There aren't many things I'll say no to when you
offer me five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, yeah, Deck, I forgot we're taking five thousand bucks
out of your paget. Jackson was getting floor. I don't
make five thousand, that's right. Yeah, there's only one person
that can cover that well. Geno Smith traded to the
Raiders for a third round draft pick. Your reaction, man.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
We had John Schneider with this ten days ago. He
was sitting five feet away from me.
Speaker 9 (30:34):
I said, is there any doubt Geno Smith is the
guy for twenty twenty five?
Speaker 7 (30:38):
And he said no.
Speaker 9 (30:39):
But he then said they were planning to meet with
Gino's agents in Indianapolis. That is the hub of those
kinds of three started the league year conversations. And we've
talked in the past about how Geno's contract needs.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
To be redone.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
He had the high cap number, he was going to
make twenty five million. And my understanding is when that
meeting happened, Geno's people wanted and the Seahawks has decided
they could find somebody else for less than that, And
there's no way this is a big takeaway. There's no
way in hell John Schneider agrees to trade Geno Smith,
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the guy that Mike McDonald has said, you can win
a championship with the guy that new offensive coordinator Clint
Kubeck said with a huge draw of Seattle. There is
no way you pull the trigger on that trade if
you don't have a clear plan in place. And I
think that the next step here is going to be
finding out at nine am Pacific time on Monday, or
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maybe even there will be a leak over the weekend,
although any evidence of this would be evidence of tampering.
That they've got a deal in place with Sam Donald
and my guests would be the only responsible way to
do it is to be damn sure that Donald is
going to take your offer, whatever it is, so dollar
for dollar, Donald, in their view, will be better than
Geno Smith or whatever he wanted.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
So at the time I think John Schneider was telling
the truth.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
But the reality is Smith's people made an offer they
didn't they didn't expect, and they had to pivot. Now,
I don't know that it's going to be Donald, but
it just makes sense that Donald, who by all appearances
wasn't getting the kind of of interest that would suggest
he's getting anything close to the top of the market
or fifty million or something like that. It would make
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sense if they thought they could get Donald for maybe
thirty a year, they unofficially pull that trigger and then
officially pull the trigger to send Geno Smith to the Raiders.
So take heart, Seahawks fans. They're not letting Geno go
without a plan, a clear plan that they know they're
going to be able to execute, to replace Gino Smith
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with somebody dollar for.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Dollar as good or better.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Well, how much better tell me what your opinion of
Sam Donald is as a quarterback visa v.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Geno Smith.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
Remember when they.
Speaker 9 (32:53):
Traded for Sam Howell last year, one of the selling
points was the way he played in Seattle. Now the
Commander's lost that game, but.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
Howell played well. What did Sam Donald do Week sixteen?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Look very good?
Speaker 7 (33:04):
What did he do?
Speaker 9 (33:06):
Twenty two two and forty six yards, three touchdowns, a
thirty nine yard game winner where he ran up in
the pocket and fired a laser to j Justin Jefferson,
and that's the kind of thing that becomes a selling point.
And to the extent that there's any fear out there
that he's going.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
To revert to what he was with the Jets, the
Seahawkives just had a starter for three years.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
Who was one of the prior failed Jets rookies who
never panned out there, So they're not going to be
nervous about Donald reverting. Now. I would be concerned that
you can't duplicate what happened last year. But this is
a decision that.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
I think they made.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
I don't know that, but common sense all signs point
to Donald, and often when all signs pointed something like that,
they pulled something else. I mean, help for all I know,
they're going to try to make a trade and bring
Trevor Lawrence in Seattle. And that's just a random dart.
I'm just saying they're gonna have a plan. Whatever they
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are doing. They're not letting Geno Smith go without being
damn sure they can replace him either with someone better
or someone who is more economically better. And then you
have other dollars that you could allocate. And if they
just thought forty million a year was too rich for
their blood. They had to do something else, and they're
gonna do it. They're not just gonna say Geno's out
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and Sam Howe's the starter.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Although only they know.
Speaker 9 (34:28):
How they feel about Sam Howe. I would be stunned
if they go to Howe. But you know what if
they go to how He's making a million this year,
So dollar for dollar, I am confident in saying that
if Gino wants forty and Sam Howe is getting one
dollar for dollars, Sam Howe's probably better because you're talking
about one fortieth of the total overall compensation for Sam
(34:49):
Howell in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
Although I just don't think they can do that.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
They need somebody that the customers will be able to
understand and get behind the idea as to why they
made the trade.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Well, I think you were the one, Mike and Mike
Florio with US Seahawks trading Gino Smith to the Raiders
for a third round pick. I think you were the
one that said, hey, look, if you're a Seahawk fan,
you want Sam Howell to do really well, because then
you could justify going to him as you're starting quarterback
in twenty five and paying him a million bucks. He
just never got that chance, and when he came in
for a game, he looked terrible. So I think that'd
(35:21):
be phenomenal, but likely not going to happen. But Mike
Florio again with us on the air, and I mean, look,
it looks like they're getting the ninety second pick in
the third round. Garafalo said there was a misprint on
the NFL draft order that that was a pick that
was belonging to the Jets, but it actually went to
the Raiders and the Devonte Adams trade and now belongs
(35:42):
to the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Have you confirmed that that this is the.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Ninety second pick and not the sixty eighth pick in
the third round?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I have not.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
I have not.
Speaker 9 (35:52):
That is not yet doubled up to the top of
my priority list.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
On a Friday night.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
No.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Dk Metcalf, you were pretty Hrmann thinking that he was
going to be gone from the Seahawks. Does this move
your needle either way towards staying here or going if
Gino Smith is no longer here.
Speaker 9 (36:12):
Well, it was just yesterday that John Schneider addressed the
DK Metcalf situation, and he said, worst Kate scenario, we
have a great athlete at the receiver position for another year.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
And I don't know.
Speaker 9 (36:24):
If that was just an in art full use of words,
but worst case scenario is not ringing endorsement. The k
Metcalf is coming back, and I would suspect it. Yesterday
John Schneider had at least some inkling that this Geno Smith.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
Thing could happen. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
And I every once in a while I kicked myself
because I had something on my list that I meant
to write at PFT and I didn't get around to it.
But we were doing some work yesterday to get all
of the Max Crosby details. He did that new contract
on Wednesday in Vegas and we had the full breakdown.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
So I was talking to somebody in.
Speaker 9 (36:57):
The know and I said, hey, hey, listen, before I
let you go, why have they shown no interest in
Aaron Rodgers? And the person said to me, I think
Pete wants Gino Smith. So if that was out there yesterday,
John knew about that, I would assume and knew that
this was a possibility, and he wouldn't use the phrase
worst case scenario.
Speaker 7 (37:16):
Because I went to this spot.
Speaker 9 (37:19):
If there's any truth to some of this stuff we've
seen out there, the DK Metcalf wants to play with
a better quarterback, does he pause now and think, well,
I don't know, maybe Sam Donald's better. He was on
the sideline when Donald threw that thirty nine yard laser
to Justin Jefferson, And I guess the ultimate litmus test
is whether or not the Raiders continue to be in
the mix for DK Metcalf. ESPN reported yesterday the Raiders
(37:40):
called about DK. If they ultimately get DK, I would
assume there's.
Speaker 7 (37:46):
No issue between DK and Geno Smith, right.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
What about Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Hugh Mallan's been on Daniel Jones for a while, says
he just needs to get the hell out of New York.
He got out he was on the Vikings practice. I
don't know what his future there looks like with McCarthy
coming back off the knee injury. But should Daniel Jones
be a guy that should be and might be on
the Seahawks radar.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
That's possibility as well.
Speaker 9 (38:12):
Now it's more of a risk because we've yet to
see him perform at a high level anywhere else. But
all you gonna do is go back to twenty twenty three,
and look at what he did. He won a playoff
game in Minnesota, which is not an easy thing to do,
so I guess he's possible as well. I just think
it's so obvious it's Donald.
Speaker 7 (38:27):
Maybe it is Daniel Jones. I don't know. Daniel Jones
would be cheaper than Sam Donald.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
But the reason I think it's Donald is because there's
just been no indication that anyone is out there in
the weeds waiting to give Donald a massive contract, and
I think at the Vikings thought that there was, they
would have tagged him and traded.
Speaker 7 (38:43):
Into that team.
Speaker 9 (38:44):
So Donald makes the most sense, but Daniel Jones is
another viable alternative. If they just can't close the deal
with Sam Donald, maybe they think we're going to.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
Get Donald or Jones.
Speaker 9 (38:54):
Let's just spend the weekend preparing for the moment where
we can officially start making it.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
Although I was told earlier this week.
Speaker 9 (39:02):
That it's likely there's gonna be more activity on Saturday
and Sunday in advance of the opening of the negotiating
window than we've seen in the past. Not that anybody's
gonna announce it to the world because it's it's tampering,
but it hasn't happened as much in the past. I
think it could happen this weekend, and I would not
be surprised.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
And I would fully expect it.
Speaker 9 (39:22):
As of right now this moment, John Schneider knows who
he's getting on Monday.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Got you all right?
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Man?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
We will talk on Wednesday, big day in free agency,
and by then we might even know what the Hawks
are doing at the quarterback spot.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
So whatever you had planned on Friday.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
By Wednesday, hell, we might all know by Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
We might know by the weekend.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
For God's sake, whatever you had planned on a Friday,
go back to doing it.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
Man.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
We'll talk on on Wednesday.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
Man.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Thanks Pale, Mike Florio with us on the radio show.
We'll get a break. We're gonna grab some of your
phone calls. Two eight six ninety five ninety five. Does
the eight hundred line even still work around here? Does
the pound nine to fifty carphone still work?
Speaker 6 (39:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
That's gone okay, rich boy, the car phone that's no
longer a deal.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Here sports baby, Yeah, yeah, you want to chime in,
guys on this. Geno Smith has been traded to the
Raiders for a third round draft pick. You tell us
if John Schneider made the right call, because we're getting
down to it like we had with the Jamal Adams people.
The people that like the trade think the people that
hate the trade are morons. The people that hate the
trade think the people that like the trade are imbeciles,
(40:23):
that there's no middle ground here.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Why can't we all just get along?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
For God's sakes, John Schneider says, I don't care what
you guys think. I'm trading him and he's done. Geno
Smith is now a Raider and the Seahawks need a
new starting quarterback. Jump on the horn, give us your
take on this right move a wrong move? Two eight six,
ninety five ninety five next on ninety three three KJRFM
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