April 22, 2025 • 30 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain get the scoop on what the Patriots and Jaguars are doing in the NFL Draft with Chris Price in Boston and Tony Smith in Jacksonville, then get one final NFL Draft preview visit with draft expert Lance Zierlein.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm a right a lot to talk about the top
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three picks in the NFL draft, But now about the
Patriots making a brand new head coach and Mike Vrabel
Gerrodmeo fired after year number one. Patriots allowed the fifth
most sacks last season. Lost, some offensive line have been made,
a bunch of moves in free agencies. So let's find
out what the Patriots are doing. Our friend Chris Price
from Boston joining us, staying up late baby on a
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Tuesday night for us right here on KJR.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How are you man?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm doing great, buddy. How you doing man?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Long time no talk?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, good man, It's good. Dave be back on the
radio show.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So I feel like all the talk is about the
top three picks and then not much chatter about what
the Patriots are doing there at number four. So new
era with Mike Vrabel coming in. Mayo whacked after a year.
Do you believe in Drake may is the long term
answer at quarterback? And if so, what does he need
to be successful?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
He needs a left tackle and another wide receiver is
what he needs right now. They went out and they
really did well. I think fortifying the defensive side of
the ball when it comes to free agency, guys like
Milton Williams, you know, Carlton Davis. They really added to
what was already a decent defense. You're going to see
the Patriots do more attacking up front. You're gonna see
the Patriots being a lot more aggressive upfront a lot
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of times the last few years, and you know, going
all the way back to the Belichick era, it was
more about kind of occupying space, the big, out, rocky
back space, as opposed to being penetrative guys. These guys,
the Milton Williams type, get bar more back, Keon White,
these guys are going to be far more aggressive. And
so I think the defensive side of the ball, they've
done really a lot of really good work adding to
that group. They just need to get a left tackle.
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They need to get a wide receiver. And they struck
out in free agency really to a large extent. They
struck out free agency because they went after Godwin, who
turned them down. They added an extra twenty million dollars,
they still turned them down and went back to Tampa Bay.
They couldn't find a left tackle. And so those are
the two positions of need as we sit here going
into the draft of the New England Patriots.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
All the talk is about the first three picks off
the alluded to and do you think, Chris, that they
can get a better player at four, then they could
get at six or.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Seven marginally, Look, this draft is proving and I've talked
to people in Foxborough. It's a struggle to trade down
this year. Out of that fourth spot. It's a lot
easier for them to trade up from thirty eight. I
could see that they have four picks in the top
one hundred and so I could see them maybe packaging
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thirty eight and maybe one of their thirds to try
and move up to the middle of the first round.
But I think when it comes to the fourth overall pick,
they're stuck there. And so if my short answer to
who they're going to take is if Carter and Hunter
are off the board at four, they're going after Will Campbell.
Now we talk about them needing a left tackle. The
big debate up peers are Will Campbell's arms long enough
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to play left tackle? So they would take him, they
would try him at left tackle, and if it didn't work,
they'd moved the left guard, and you'd feel pretty good
about left guard. And they even kind of mix and
match with some of the guys in the roster, some
left tackle possibilities out there, but that would theoretically take
care of one of your problems. As you mentioned right
off the top, they're providing more support for a guy
like Drake by Well.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Chris Price is with us from Boston.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Patriots have the number four pick in the draft coming up,
and I guess I'm trying to figure out who's in
charge right of this thing. I mean, it was Belichick
obviously for years and years and years. But is Mike
Rabel making the final call?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Here?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Is Elliott Wolf making the final call? Who's making these
calls on draft day for the Patriots?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Man? As I understand, And what do you have right
now is you have Ryan Cowden who was brought into
be kind of an assistant personnel guy to a Wolf
Rabel's guy. Basically, you have elite Wolf and you have
some other guys who are personal evaluators at grow a
Lotto high Smith bringing Rabel a handful of names, but
Mike Rabel really has the loudest voice in the room.
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There is a pretty good consensus as I understand it,
at least so far, at least there has been throughout
free agency when it comes to guys like deciding to
go after Stefan Diggs, deciding to go out Morgan, Moses,
Carlon Davis, all those names, but Rabel still has the
final say in a lot of ways. Again, it's been
a real collaborative effort on their part, but the head
coach is still making the He's still a primary decision
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maker when it comes to personnel moves.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Tell us some more about what you saw in Drake
May in year number one. I mean, how confident are
you that this is the guy for a long long time.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
He made rookie mistakes, but he was never an error
repeater in my estimation. You know, when he did have
a bad practice, when he did have a bad game,
when he had a bad play, he was able to
bounce back, he was able to shake it off, and
he was able to move forward. And so as we
saw over the course of the year, he got better.
The numbers got better, as he was out there more often,
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as he assumed the role of leader, as he assumed
the role of QB one, we saw those mistakes start
to get smaller and smaller and less and less consequential.
I guess it's probably the best course of you know,
the best phrase that I could use. But really, he
wasn't an air repeater. He wasn't a guy who would
make the same bad throw twice. There were bad throws,
and he got into trouble a lot of times over
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the course of the year by trying to do too much,
you know, running for his life behind a leaky offensive line. Theoretically,
now you know you have Morgan Moses, you're gonna bring
back some of the guys in that offensive line. Call
Strange is feeling better. And again maybe if you get
Will Campbell, you can plug him in a left tackle
or left guard and he's gonna have a little bit
more time back there, and you're gonna have a little
you know, you're gonna have another option or two in
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the passing to help out as well.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Okay, Chris, before you go for those just tuning in,
you kind of gave it away. But Ward's off the board,
Hunters off the board, Carter's off the board. Make the
pick for the Patriots in that scenario right now at
number four, who do.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
You want Will cambll offensive lineman out of Louisiana State again,
If you can't trade back Yep, they're gonna go for
him and then ultimately what they're what they're going to
try and do. I still believe they're going to try
and trade up at out of thirty eight to the
later stages of the first round and end up trying
to get a wide receiver or some more help along
that offensive line.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Chris, you're the man, great stuff. Enjoy the draft and
we'll talk soon, buddy.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Appreciate it, pal, Take care, guys talk soon.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You bet. Chris Price from Boston. What do you say?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
We keep it here, but go over to number five
because I gotta tell you, man, we are We love
having this guy on, but he's got to be sick
and tired of going on radio shows talking about the
Jaguars picking in the top five.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
This is the tenth time in the.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Last twelve years that the Jaguars have picked in the
top five of the NFL Draft. Sorry, tenth time going
back to twenty twelve. Only one guy. We have to
talk about that man, he always says, yes. Ten ten
Xcel Radio in Jacksonville. Fat Tony Smith, fat Tony, how
are you man.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Doing well?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Fellas?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Appreciate you having me on again.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, we appreciate you doing this.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I mean, it just feels like groundhog day, honestly, Like,
how how ridiculous is this? Like, you know, normally teams
every now and then fired up for a draft pick
this high. But ten times since twenty twelve you've had
a top five pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
This has got to be getting sickening already down.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
There, no doubt, And thankfully this time it was sickening
enough that the owner decided to let go of.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
The coach in the GM.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
So there is a completely new direction. It feels like
from a front office standpoint for this team, they got
a first time offensive coordinator, first time head coach, first
time defensive coordinator, first time GM. So it's a lot
of new and so there's a lot of people taking
guesses that how the Jaguars feel about different things.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
With this draft.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Nobody knows anything about what's going on in that building.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
They have been so tight lift, no top thirty visits.
Nobody knows.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
But everyone's guessing what is going to happen. Everyone's talking
the draft's going to start at four or five, depending
on which of those teams wants to bite and do
something unexpected.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
First, well, since you don't have a game plan, and
you haven't seen what this group has been able to
do because they haven't been around.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I'll just leave it up to you.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Would it be better for the Jags to go lower
floor safer pick, like a Mason Graham type guy or
a flashier, higher upside guy.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
I think it's tough to figure it out. And something
Obviously we've been talking about Mason Graham now for a
couple of months, right and him being attached to the Jaguars,
and I can understand why he's called kind of the
safer pick. And then I hear people talk about Mason
Graham and I go, what about that sounds safe? Except
you're in a bad draft, right, Like I do think
it's just kind of a bad draft. But when they
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talk about Mason Graham, virtually everyone you see ranking the
players at the top of this draft have Mason Graham
is what the fourth fifth best player available in the
whole draft, and most of these places, I get that
it's not a great draft, so there might only be
the potential for one potentially special kind of prospect available
when the Jags are on the clock and Ashton genty,
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So there is the discussion being had, and the one
we've been having about do you take the chance on
an Ashton Gendy And the chance.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Is about the position. It's not about the player.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
It's the position of running back in the top five
of the NFL Draft. It's not all that common the
teams are willing to do that kind of thing. Do
I think that the new brain trust in JACKSONA was
willing to be bold if they think that's.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
The right direction to go.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Absolutely, But I don't think it's a group that's going
to be super risky as they go through the draft.
And I don't think when you talk about Ashington Genty
that's not risky Like Ashton Genty isn't a risky pick.
It's a bold pick because he's a running back in
the top five, not because he will hit or won't hit.
As a player. The expectation is that Genty's going to
be a great player when he gets into the league wherever.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
He happens to go.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Sure, well, the Giants took Barkley number two seven years ago,
and then that turned out pretty damn good. Obviously down
the road, I mean more turned out for the Eagles.
Obviously he was good for them for a while. But
I guess I'm just looking at Tony the depth chart
in Jacksonville, and I'm wondering if Trevor Lawrence has enough
toys to play with down there. I mean, Brian Thomas
is good, but I mean Parker Washington. They signed the
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kid from the Commanders, Brenton strains the tight end.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I mean, is Tyler warrens.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
At number five if he's going to be the stud
that we all think he's going to be in the NFL,
That's that's stupid to think. Hey, let's give Trevor Lawrence
a big time target to play with here and give
him somewhere to throw the damn ball to.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I can understand that. You can see them being willing
to move on from Evan Ingram this year, who winds
up in Denver, and they were willing to let him
go when they still had him under control for one
more year here in jackson will go a different direction.
So I can understand, you know, kind of connecting the
dots on that here at five. Again, it's it's not
a great draft, right, So Tyler Warren being talked about
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at five, six, seven, ten, wherever he's gonna wind up going.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Whoever does it it'll make sense right at the.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Time that it happens. I don't expect it because I
don't quite think that that's the direction that they need
to go, given the options that they're going to have here.
It would surprise me a little bit. And honestly, Tyler
Warren would be my least favorite of the guys that
have really been talked about and connected to the Jaguars
at five. Now that be my bias against the priority
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at tight end, and I think Britain Strange actually be
a really good player with what has typically. We saw
the way that Liam Cohen has used the tight end
and his offense down there in Tampa. I don't think
you need a guy to be a game breaker, and
I think Strange, who was the second round pick two
years ago here in Jacksonville, if you give him the
opportunity to be the starter, they'd be fine with him
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as the starting tight end.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I would go a different direction with it.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
But I can understand looking at it and saying, well,
they just let Ingram go. They're in this spot. There's
not a lot to love. I can understand connecting those dots.
I don't want those dots connected. Ultimately, on Thursday, night.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Personally, Tony, what's the biggest reason Trevor Lawrence hasn't reached
his potentially yet.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Well, the last couple of years has been injuries that
have really gotten in the way, and I do think
there has been we know what happened is rookie year
when we talk about dysfunction with Herb Herbs as a
head coach. We all laughed when he did it, and
the whole world laughed as they went through the whole
process of Trevor Lawrence's a rookie year with Urban Meyer.
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And I do think that Doug Peterson was the perfect
guy that year or two, because Doug Peterson isn't gonna
be the guy who pushes everyone to a higher level.
He lets the personalities in the room be the personalities
in the room. He doesn't drag him in different directions.
And when he was in Philadelphia, had a room full
of wild men, and that's exactly what they needed to
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be and he didn't get in the way of any
of that. Here in Jacksonville, they didn't have a bunch
of wild men, so there wasn't a whole lot to
pull them out of the funk that they've been in
the last.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Couple of years.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Doug Peterson wasn't even willing to say who.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Was calling plays the last two years on offense, like
it was the situation was not as good as they
could be. I think Trevor Lawrence is a super talented guy.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And that's never changed.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Asking questions about why it hasn't all been put together,
it's fair and it's time for it all to happen
for Trevor Lawrence. I still believe in his talent, but
I can understand looking at it saying when is this
all going to come together for him? He is a
player that in his second year in the league, he
was a good enough player that year when they made
the playoffs. He got an MVP vote that year. Like
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he's a good enough player to be at that kind
of level. It hasn't shown up here in the last
couple of years. I put a lot of that at
the feat of the coaching staff. Hopefully again this new
direction will open up the opportunities for it, because I
think Trevor is willing to work as hard as you're
going to ask him to work plus something to get
to that kind of level. And he's a new dad
this year too. Maybe that pushes him, you know, to
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a higher level as well.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
We'll see, yeah that maybe we all know that key
to success. Just have some kids, you'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Maybe swack works.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So cam Ward Travis, Hunter, Abdell Carter, Will Campbell I
went off the board in our little kind of mini
mock here. So if that goes down Thursday, what do
the Jaguars do at five, Tony, I.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Think it's in my mind it would be between two players,
and that would be Mason Graham, the one that's been
attached to the Jags here for the last couple of months.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
And I think the Ashton Genty talk.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Is real in a draft where I think there are
three premiere players in this draft, two of them have
already gone off in your top three right there in
this mock draft, I think if the Jaguars are in
that situation and can't move down from five, I think
the only way they can move down is if Ashton
Genty is still available. But if they can't move down,
I think they turn in the card with that Gent's
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name on it.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I wonder what Pete Carroll will think about that. Sitting
there at number six, by the way, and Jay Travis at.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Ends a free agent.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
He could come up to five, buddy.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, at he ends a free agent after this year.
Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (14:34):
He's got one more year left, right, He's got one
more year left, gotcha?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah, no, it makes sense, all right? Fat Tony Smith
ten ten XL Jacksonville. Appreciate this and enjoy being in
the top five. It's a comfortable spot for you guys.
So have fun on Thursday. Man, we'll talk soon, hopefully
never again.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Man. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, I mean it's just I just you know what
pisses me off, Dick.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And it's like when the national media last year there
was kind of this like I'm gonna say groundswell, but
there was a little bit of a drum beat from
Rosenthal and passing and guys like that that just could
not believe the Mariners were pissing away this phenomenal once
in the lifetime rotation. Same thing with quarterbacks. I mean,
it's seen a Bryce Young too, Like, I don't know
what Bryce Young could be. You know who Bryce Young's
best receiver is in Carolina, Adam. He's thirty five years old.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Like, what are we doing? Trevor Lawrence says nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Nothing in Jacksonville, nothing to hand the ball to, nothing
to throw the ball to. So I think I think
Jenny or Tyler Warren. I disagree with him a Warren.
I think Warren's gonna be a star in the NFL too,
So I would definitely think about taking him at number
five if I were Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But they got to get that guy some freaking help.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
There's no person and you go back and it was
It's interesting when he said because the second year, the
first year under Peterson's second year for Trevor Lawrence, that
was a really good year.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Go back and look at the numbers.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Ninety six passer rating, there's like twenty seven touchdowns for
a rookie spy good and but I mean that was
his secondear because his first year you just throw out.
You throw out the Urban Meyer year. I mean, that's
that's just a waste. And then this last year he
was hurt. So I mean, I I think Trevor Lawrence
bounced back with another weapon, either a running back or
a wide receiver, a tight end. Here in the first round,
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I think you could have a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Year this year.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I said it was ten times in the last since
twenty twelve that they've drafted in the top five.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm now going back to two thousand and nine when
they picked eighth.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Two thousand and eight, they picked eighth. I mean the
Jaguars are just top nine, Reggie Williams two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
They're constantly in the top five the last two years.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
They've not.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
No, no, they have not.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
But I'm looking at the names of the guys that
they've also drafted too, and there it's just turd city.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's turd City.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Leonard Fernette, Yeah, Leonard Fernette is the only highly drafted
running back not to hit in the last fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Jalen Ramsey number five, Dante Fowl number three, Fine Break,
Blake Bortles third, Luke Jocal second, Justin Blackman just got
a rest of the year day for public intoxication at
number five. I mean, they've just had some real swings
and missus down there. We're gonna break. Lan Zerline is
going to join up from NFL dot Com. One last
pre draft visit with Lance coming next on ninety three
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you man.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I'm doing well.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
How you guys doing good? So I'll be I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
That Mike Florio is with us about an hour and
a half ago, and I asked them the same question
I want to ask you, do you believe on Thursday
that the Browns and the Giants will make their selections
at number two and number three? Or will they get
out and somebody else will step in?
Speaker 8 (18:32):
Well, there are teams trying to step in, but I
don't think they'll trade out. It's it's clear there are
there's a top quarterback, and there's you know, three more
top players, Ashton Genty, Travis Hunter, and Abdell Carter. And
Hunter and Carter are going to be the next to
go in what order we'll see. But no, I just
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I think anybody that once teams consider the offer and
they they realize who they're on to trade back and take,
they'll just say, you know what, it's not going to
be worth it. We just we'd rather have a little
closer to a sure thing. So I think those teams
will stay put.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Lance we're John Schneider do something yesterday I don't ever
remember him doing, and that's kind of bristle at media
and fan criticism over the offensive line narrative. He says
it's a lazy narrative that the Hawks have struggled getting
offensive lineman. He went on to say, it's a it's
a league problem that kids want to get sacks and
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be pass rushers instead of wanting to be blockers.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So talk to me about that theory that.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
It is a lazy narrative and it's more just a
dearth of offensive linemen out there in general.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
Well, I think it can be a lazy narrative. I
don't necessarily know if that's you know, apropos what the
Hawks are going through, but it is often a lazy narrative.
I see it in Houston. My dad was an NFL
offensive line coaching. You know, It's just it gets very
frustrating for if you pay attention to it, if you
know the stuff behind the scenes, A lot of fans
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don't really.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Put the time.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
I think fans are smarter than they ever been. Let
me first say that, I think there's so many great
resources and sources of information and fans who want to
get smarter and who have become smarter.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I do think that sometimes there's a.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Blame of the offensive line when you know, it can
be a quarterbacks issue, it could be a play callers issue,
it can be you know, it can be a tight
end or running back when it comes to sacks. So
I do think blaming the offensive line and blaming the
play caller are the two easiest things for fans to do.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
It's the play caller fault, it's the offensive line's fault.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
And then you know, you just think magic's going to
ensue once you change you know, once you change those
things out.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I think John's got a point though.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
You know, most defense, and this has been going on
for a long time, you have guys in the trenches
and there are certain players that are the more explosive
ones go on the defensive side of the ball because
they can be disruptive. And you know, sometimes the body
types that are a little bigger, thicker, maybe less explosive
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in twitchy, go on the offensive side.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
And if a team.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
If you give a high school coach a chance to decide,
you know, where do you want to play this player?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
You want to play them on defense or offensive line?
Speaker 8 (21:15):
A lot of them are going to play them on
defense because that's the easier mode. You can you can
go have an impact on a team quicker in high
school that way, if you give the kid a chance,
he's going to go where he can start. And offensive
line is really about a unit. It's got to be
a unit. They got to play together. And so John's right,
I mean, the better talent goes to the defensive side
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of the ball. There's less offensive lineman. And now with
the way college footballs in the way that there is
less practice going on in the NFL, you don't have
as much time to teach technique, so players now don't
develop nearly the way that they used to in college
and even in the pros.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Well, lan zerlines with us in lance your last mock draft,
which came out six months ago, I'm kidding, by the way,
it was April first, though? Is it April first? Was
it three weeks ago? Your last mock draft came out?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
So it was April first. My next one's gonna.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Is due tomorrow, Okay, So give us a little bit
of a of a preview. I know you haven't done
it yet all that stuff, but your your last mock
you had the Hawks taken tat McMillan. Would you still
think that's a real possibility? On Thursday, I think it's
a possibility.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
I don't really know until I go through and let
the dominoes fall. I don't really honestly know, you know,
I'm I'm six picks into it right now. And uh so,
Mike Keil Williams, I've already got to find a new
slot for him. Okay, I've got to find a new
slot for Armen Membo.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Because I'm not putting him at seven anymore.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
So that that really changes a lot. Like every time
I put a new player in a new spot, it's
a series of it's a domino effect, and so I
really can't like until I get to take a look,
and I like to get this one as close to
being as perfect as poossible. It's impossible, it's an impossible task,
but it requires me. It usually takes me about six
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to seven hours. So I go and look at I
go and look at contract situations on teams. It's it's
really gets hard once you get past the first ten picks,
twelve picks, and in this year it's more and that's
in a general sense.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
This year it's more difficult because.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
There's such a wide variety of opinions on on on picks,
you know, on players like twelve through through thirty four,
So I think that I think the Hawks I may
still you know, it's it's I always like to listen
to what the general managers say at these meetings. The
fact that John Schneider is bristling about the offensive line,
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you know, I'm going to go back and try to
pick up the video of that or even the transcript
and read and try to read between the lines.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
About whether or not, you know, it sounds like he.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
Wants offensive line, or if it sounds like he wants
wide receiver, because I still think there's a really big
needed wide receiver. You can't just have Sam Arnold in
there with a guy that runs fast and a straight line.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I mean Jackson Smith and jigbas Is a very good
wide receiver.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
But you don't know how much you have left with
Cooper cut probably a one year deal, you know, Valvez
Gantling is gonna be, like I said, a field stretcher.
You need another legitimate pass catcher. Well, is that gonna
be Colston Lovelin. I gotta see if he's still on the.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Board for me.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
Is that gonna be you know, is that gonna be
Golden or Ted McMillan.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
We'll see how that comes off.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
I'm not sure I'm putting wide receiver at Dallas at twelve,
and if that's the case, then wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
May fall a little bit.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
So I may have the choice of at least one
and if not, maybe even two of those wide receivers
they're at eighteen for the Hawks.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
But I gotta also take a look at.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
Guard obviously, and I'm also gonna make some phone calls
see if I can't get.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Maybe some insight on on a direction that may be
maybe headed.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Why haven't we seen any pre draft trades? And do
you think that change changes Thursday? Do you think we'll
have a flurry in the first round.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I think we well the trades.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
I think you're gonna come with potentially possible of players.
Trey Hendrickson with Cincinnati, Caveon Thibodeau.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
If Abdul Carter goes to the Giants, you could see
kvon Thibodeau moved.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
If Vashton Genty goes to the Jaguars, you could see,
you know, Travis Eten moved. So that may be the
I think one of the reasons you're not seeing trades
before the draft is it's a it's not a great
draft to move up, Like, who are you moving up for?
There's not quarterbacks that anyone really wants to move up for.
No matter what the narrative is created nationally where you're
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trying to turn Shador Sanders into a thing.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I don't know anyone that wants to move move up
and go take them. I'm not sure anyone wants to
move up and.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
Go grab Jackson dart not, not in the first fifteen picks.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
So I just don't think I think it's the.
Speaker 8 (25:47):
The reason that's happening where there's no picks is it's
not a draft where you just say, I've got to
have this guy.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
We cannot miss on that guy.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Now, there's a couple of spots, you know, like there's
a couple of very desperate spots. The the Dolphins are
desperate for a defensive line. The New England Patriots are
desperate for a left tackle. But there are positions where
they can sit.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Tight and get guys they want. So you know, if
you're going to see a trade up, it's gonna be Dallas.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
Trying to move up and get Ashton Gent. It's gonna
be maybe the Denver Broncos moving up and making sure
they secure O'maron Hampton.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Maybe the Chargers moving up and.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
Getting their hands on Colston Loveland. It's gonna be something
like that.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Well, uh land zerline with us NFL dot Com courtesy
of our friends at Queen Aneber. I'll be there tomorrow
for the annual mock draft, and I hate to pick
on one of your co workers over there by the way. Actually,
I don't even know if James does. James Palmer still
work for NFL dot com as he's still with you guys.
No friend of mine though, Okay, so i'll tread lightly,
all right, I'll tread lightly, but and I'm just kind
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of busting his balls a little. But I saw him
try out to you know that there's a team that
would love to move up in the top ten and
grab Travis Hunter. Well, no kidding, I mean, the guy's
a dual threat players. Of course teams would love to
move But you just mentioned something there though about shed
Door Sanders that you don't hear a lot of rumblings
about teams looking to move up. Because my dream scenario
is him being there at eighteen and a team like
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Pittsburgh moves up a couple of spots and maybe tries
to make a move for him. So how much willingness
do you think there really is to move up and
get shad Door Sanders.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
Well, so here's the thing I said first fifteen picks,
and the reason I stopped there is because and that's
kind of a generic, you know, stopping point, But right
now it's starting to feel like Shadoor Sanders is you know,
Mike Comlins making comments about Shoe shoud or Sanders.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
You're starting to see him mock more and more at
twenty one when that happens. And I think this is
why a lot.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
Of teams are very careful about making sure people don't
lock in on their picks.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
You know, football teams.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
Look at a lot of these mocks, and they look
at certain mocks and they want to try to get
a feel for where a player may go.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
And they know that some of the mocks, some of.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
The people just do good work and some of them
may have a connection here or there.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
They use it as a chance, you know, to kind
of run some some scenarios.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
And if Pittsburgh starts getting shot or Sanders locked in
too much, then if there is someone who wants shod
or Standers. They just say, hmm, let's start calling eighteen,
let's start calling nineteen, let's.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Start calling twenty.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Let's start calling these positions and see if we can
move out of twenty one. Because if you, if you
become too predictable, then it becomes too easy to move.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Ahead of you if someone wants the player. I'm just
not sure anyone's going.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
To move up out of the Steelers and take Shad
Door Sanders because I just don't think there's that buzz
on him.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I really don't. I haven't mock drafts, have.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
Hadn't gone twenty four, twenty nine and my last two,
and people got all mad at me, like I didn't
know what I was talking about, but I do know
the guys like that don't go and like he doesn't
have top ten stuff. And I watched all the tape
and I talked to him IFL people, and he's you know,
he's gonna fall. I think he's the second best quarterback
in the draft, right. I don't think he's going three
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to the Giants.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I don't think he's going nine to the Saints. And
once you get past that, the slide probably.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
Continues until the Steelers potentially take him.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
If they don't take him, then then Katie.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Bar the door.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well you're not doing a good mock unless people are
pissed off at you, man, So congratulations being successful, all
right with me?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Great stuff, all right, dude, great stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Enjoy the week and we'll do it next week one
more time and wrapping all up.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
All right, Lance, that sounds good, Thanks guys, all right.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Bud Lance zerline NFL dot com. He's gonna have his
latest mock. I believe he said it comes out tomorrow night.
If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, midnight tomorrow. You gotta have
it in So, I don't know when they're gonna publish it.
They may wait until Thursday morning. But good stuff with Lance,
and big thanks to the Queen Anne Beer Hall, Mossbey Hall,
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All right, we're gonna break textimonials next four nine to
four five one. John Wilner joins it. Five, Brian Schmittzer
five forty five, and a busy day from you, Dub
Denzel Boston is gonna pop by and say hi as well,
coming up around six oh five on ninety three three
kJ Rush up
I'm a right a lot to talk about the top
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three picks in the NFL draft, But now about the
Patriots making a brand new head coach and Mike Vrabel
Gerrodmeo fired after year number one. Patriots allowed the fifth
most sacks last season. Lost, some offensive line have been made,
a bunch of moves in free agencies. So let's find
out what the Patriots are doing. Our friend Chris Price
from Boston joining us, staying up late baby on a
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Tuesday night for us right here on KJR.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How are you man?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm doing great, buddy. How you doing man?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Long time no talk?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, good man, It's good. Dave be back on the
radio show.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So I feel like all the talk is about the
top three picks and then not much chatter about what
the Patriots are doing there at number four. So new
era with Mike Vrabel coming in. Mayo whacked after a year.
Do you believe in Drake may is the long term
answer at quarterback? And if so, what does he need
to be successful?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
He needs a left tackle and another wide receiver is
what he needs right now. They went out and they
really did well. I think fortifying the defensive side of
the ball when it comes to free agency, guys like
Milton Williams, you know, Carlton Davis. They really added to
what was already a decent defense. You're going to see
the Patriots do more attacking up front. You're gonna see
the Patriots being a lot more aggressive upfront a lot
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of times the last few years, and you know, going
all the way back to the Belichick era, it was
more about kind of occupying space, the big, out, rocky
back space, as opposed to being penetrative guys. These guys,
the Milton Williams type, get bar more back, Keon White,
these guys are going to be far more aggressive. And
so I think the defensive side of the ball, they've
done really a lot of really good work adding to
that group. They just need to get a left tackle.
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They need to get a wide receiver. And they struck
out in free agency really to a large extent. They
struck out free agency because they went after Godwin, who
turned them down. They added an extra twenty million dollars,
they still turned them down and went back to Tampa Bay.
They couldn't find a left tackle. And so those are
the two positions of need as we sit here going
into the draft of the New England Patriots.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
All the talk is about the first three picks off
the alluded to and do you think, Chris, that they
can get a better player at four, then they could
get at six or.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Seven marginally, Look, this draft is proving and I've talked
to people in Foxborough. It's a struggle to trade down
this year. Out of that fourth spot. It's a lot
easier for them to trade up from thirty eight. I
could see that they have four picks in the top
one hundred and so I could see them maybe packaging
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thirty eight and maybe one of their thirds to try
and move up to the middle of the first round.
But I think when it comes to the fourth overall pick,
they're stuck there. And so if my short answer to
who they're going to take is if Carter and Hunter
are off the board at four, they're going after Will Campbell.
Now we talk about them needing a left tackle. The
big debate up peers are Will Campbell's arms long enough
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to play left tackle? So they would take him, they
would try him at left tackle, and if it didn't work,
they'd moved the left guard, and you'd feel pretty good
about left guard. And they even kind of mix and
match with some of the guys in the roster, some
left tackle possibilities out there, but that would theoretically take
care of one of your problems. As you mentioned right
off the top, they're providing more support for a guy
like Drake by Well.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Chris Price is with us from Boston.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Patriots have the number four pick in the draft coming up,
and I guess I'm trying to figure out who's in
charge right of this thing. I mean, it was Belichick
obviously for years and years and years. But is Mike
Rabel making the final call?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Here?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Is Elliott Wolf making the final call? Who's making these
calls on draft day for the Patriots?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Man? As I understand, And what do you have right
now is you have Ryan Cowden who was brought into
be kind of an assistant personnel guy to a Wolf
Rabel's guy. Basically, you have elite Wolf and you have
some other guys who are personal evaluators at grow a
Lotto high Smith bringing Rabel a handful of names, but
Mike Rabel really has the loudest voice in the room.
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There is a pretty good consensus as I understand it,
at least so far, at least there has been throughout
free agency when it comes to guys like deciding to
go after Stefan Diggs, deciding to go out Morgan, Moses,
Carlon Davis, all those names, but Rabel still has the
final say in a lot of ways. Again, it's been
a real collaborative effort on their part, but the head
coach is still making the He's still a primary decision
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maker when it comes to personnel moves.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Tell us some more about what you saw in Drake
May in year number one. I mean, how confident are
you that this is the guy for a long long time.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
He made rookie mistakes, but he was never an error
repeater in my estimation. You know, when he did have
a bad practice, when he did have a bad game,
when he had a bad play, he was able to
bounce back, he was able to shake it off, and
he was able to move forward. And so as we
saw over the course of the year, he got better.
The numbers got better, as he was out there more often,
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as he assumed the role of leader, as he assumed
the role of QB one, we saw those mistakes start
to get smaller and smaller and less and less consequential.
I guess it's probably the best course of you know,
the best phrase that I could use. But really, he
wasn't an air repeater. He wasn't a guy who would
make the same bad throw twice. There were bad throws,
and he got into trouble a lot of times over
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the course of the year by trying to do too much,
you know, running for his life behind a leaky offensive line. Theoretically,
now you know you have Morgan Moses, you're gonna bring
back some of the guys in that offensive line. Call
Strange is feeling better. And again maybe if you get
Will Campbell, you can plug him in a left tackle
or left guard and he's gonna have a little bit
more time back there, and you're gonna have a little
you know, you're gonna have another option or two in
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the passing to help out as well.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Okay, Chris, before you go for those just tuning in,
you kind of gave it away. But Ward's off the board,
Hunters off the board, Carter's off the board. Make the
pick for the Patriots in that scenario right now at
number four, who do.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
You want Will cambll offensive lineman out of Louisiana State again,
If you can't trade back Yep, they're gonna go for
him and then ultimately what they're what they're going to
try and do. I still believe they're going to try
and trade up at out of thirty eight to the
later stages of the first round and end up trying
to get a wide receiver or some more help along
that offensive line.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Chris, you're the man, great stuff. Enjoy the draft and
we'll talk soon, buddy.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Appreciate it, pal, Take care, guys talk soon.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You bet. Chris Price from Boston. What do you say?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
We keep it here, but go over to number five
because I gotta tell you, man, we are We love
having this guy on, but he's got to be sick
and tired of going on radio shows talking about the
Jaguars picking in the top five.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
This is the tenth time in the.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Last twelve years that the Jaguars have picked in the
top five of the NFL Draft. Sorry, tenth time going
back to twenty twelve. Only one guy. We have to
talk about that man, he always says, yes. Ten ten
Xcel Radio in Jacksonville. Fat Tony Smith, fat Tony, how
are you man.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Doing well?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Fellas?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Appreciate you having me on again.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, we appreciate you doing this.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I mean, it just feels like groundhog day, honestly, Like,
how how ridiculous is this? Like, you know, normally teams
every now and then fired up for a draft pick
this high. But ten times since twenty twelve you've had
a top five pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
This has got to be getting sickening already down.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
There, no doubt, And thankfully this time it was sickening
enough that the owner decided to let go of.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
The coach in the GM.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
So there is a completely new direction. It feels like
from a front office standpoint for this team, they got
a first time offensive coordinator, first time head coach, first
time defensive coordinator, first time GM. So it's a lot
of new and so there's a lot of people taking
guesses that how the Jaguars feel about different things.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
With this draft.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Nobody knows anything about what's going on in that building.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
They have been so tight lift, no top thirty visits.
Nobody knows.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
But everyone's guessing what is going to happen. Everyone's talking
the draft's going to start at four or five, depending
on which of those teams wants to bite and do
something unexpected.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
First, well, since you don't have a game plan, and
you haven't seen what this group has been able to
do because they haven't been around.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I'll just leave it up to you.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Would it be better for the Jags to go lower
floor safer pick, like a Mason Graham type guy or
a flashier, higher upside guy.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
I think it's tough to figure it out. And something
Obviously we've been talking about Mason Graham now for a
couple of months, right and him being attached to the Jaguars,
and I can understand why he's called kind of the
safer pick. And then I hear people talk about Mason
Graham and I go, what about that sounds safe? Except
you're in a bad draft, right, Like I do think
it's just kind of a bad draft. But when they
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talk about Mason Graham, virtually everyone you see ranking the
players at the top of this draft have Mason Graham
is what the fourth fifth best player available in the
whole draft, and most of these places, I get that
it's not a great draft, so there might only be
the potential for one potentially special kind of prospect available
when the Jags are on the clock and Ashton genty,
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So there is the discussion being had, and the one
we've been having about do you take the chance on
an Ashton Gendy And the chance.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Is about the position. It's not about the player.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
It's the position of running back in the top five
of the NFL Draft. It's not all that common the
teams are willing to do that kind of thing. Do
I think that the new brain trust in JACKSONA was
willing to be bold if they think that's.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
The right direction to go.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Absolutely, But I don't think it's a group that's going
to be super risky as they go through the draft.
And I don't think when you talk about Ashington Genty
that's not risky Like Ashton Genty isn't a risky pick.
It's a bold pick because he's a running back in
the top five, not because he will hit or won't hit.
As a player. The expectation is that Genty's going to
be a great player when he gets into the league wherever.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
He happens to go.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Sure, well, the Giants took Barkley number two seven years ago,
and then that turned out pretty damn good. Obviously down
the road, I mean more turned out for the Eagles.
Obviously he was good for them for a while. But
I guess I'm just looking at Tony the depth chart
in Jacksonville, and I'm wondering if Trevor Lawrence has enough
toys to play with down there. I mean, Brian Thomas
is good, but I mean Parker Washington. They signed the
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kid from the Commanders, Brenton strains the tight end.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I mean, is Tyler warrens.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
At number five if he's going to be the stud
that we all think he's going to be in the NFL,
That's that's stupid to think. Hey, let's give Trevor Lawrence
a big time target to play with here and give
him somewhere to throw the damn ball to.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I can understand that. You can see them being willing
to move on from Evan Ingram this year, who winds
up in Denver, and they were willing to let him
go when they still had him under control for one
more year here in jackson will go a different direction.
So I can understand, you know, kind of connecting the
dots on that here at five. Again, it's it's not
a great draft, right, So Tyler Warren being talked about
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at five, six, seven, ten, wherever he's gonna wind up going.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Whoever does it it'll make sense right at the.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
Time that it happens. I don't expect it because I
don't quite think that that's the direction that they need
to go, given the options that they're going to have here.
It would surprise me a little bit. And honestly, Tyler
Warren would be my least favorite of the guys that
have really been talked about and connected to the Jaguars
at five. Now that be my bias against the priority
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at tight end, and I think Britain Strange actually be
a really good player with what has typically. We saw
the way that Liam Cohen has used the tight end
and his offense down there in Tampa. I don't think
you need a guy to be a game breaker, and
I think Strange, who was the second round pick two
years ago here in Jacksonville, if you give him the
opportunity to be the starter, they'd be fine with him
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as the starting tight end.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I would go a different direction with it.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
But I can understand looking at it and saying, well,
they just let Ingram go. They're in this spot. There's
not a lot to love. I can understand connecting those dots.
I don't want those dots connected. Ultimately, on Thursday, night.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Personally, Tony, what's the biggest reason Trevor Lawrence hasn't reached
his potentially yet.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Well, the last couple of years has been injuries that
have really gotten in the way, and I do think
there has been we know what happened is rookie year
when we talk about dysfunction with Herb Herbs as a
head coach. We all laughed when he did it, and
the whole world laughed as they went through the whole
process of Trevor Lawrence's a rookie year with Urban Meyer.
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And I do think that Doug Peterson was the perfect
guy that year or two, because Doug Peterson isn't gonna
be the guy who pushes everyone to a higher level.
He lets the personalities in the room be the personalities
in the room. He doesn't drag him in different directions.
And when he was in Philadelphia, had a room full
of wild men, and that's exactly what they needed to
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be and he didn't get in the way of any
of that. Here in Jacksonville, they didn't have a bunch
of wild men, so there wasn't a whole lot to
pull them out of the funk that they've been in
the last.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Couple of years.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Doug Peterson wasn't even willing to say who.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Was calling plays the last two years on offense, like
it was the situation was not as good as they
could be. I think Trevor Lawrence is a super talented guy.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And that's never changed.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Asking questions about why it hasn't all been put together,
it's fair and it's time for it all to happen
for Trevor Lawrence. I still believe in his talent, but
I can understand looking at it saying when is this
all going to come together for him? He is a
player that in his second year in the league, he
was a good enough player that year when they made
the playoffs. He got an MVP vote that year. Like
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he's a good enough player to be at that kind
of level. It hasn't shown up here in the last
couple of years. I put a lot of that at
the feat of the coaching staff. Hopefully again this new
direction will open up the opportunities for it, because I
think Trevor is willing to work as hard as you're
going to ask him to work plus something to get
to that kind of level. And he's a new dad
this year too. Maybe that pushes him, you know, to
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a higher level as well.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
We'll see, yeah that maybe we all know that key
to success. Just have some kids, you'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Maybe swack works.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So cam Ward Travis, Hunter, Abdell Carter, Will Campbell I
went off the board in our little kind of mini
mock here. So if that goes down Thursday, what do
the Jaguars do at five, Tony, I.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Think it's in my mind it would be between two players,
and that would be Mason Graham, the one that's been
attached to the Jags here for the last couple of months.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
And I think the Ashton Genty talk.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Is real in a draft where I think there are
three premiere players in this draft, two of them have
already gone off in your top three right there in
this mock draft, I think if the Jaguars are in
that situation and can't move down from five, I think
the only way they can move down is if Ashton
Genty is still available. But if they can't move down,
I think they turn in the card with that Gent's
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name on it.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I wonder what Pete Carroll will think about that. Sitting
there at number six, by the way, and Jay Travis at.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Ends a free agent.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
He could come up to five, buddy.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, at he ends a free agent after this year.
Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (14:34):
He's got one more year left, right, He's got one
more year left, gotcha?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah, no, it makes sense, all right? Fat Tony Smith
ten ten XL Jacksonville. Appreciate this and enjoy being in
the top five. It's a comfortable spot for you guys.
So have fun on Thursday. Man, we'll talk soon, hopefully
never again.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Man. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, I mean it's just I just you know what
pisses me off, Dick.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And it's like when the national media last year there
was kind of this like I'm gonna say groundswell, but
there was a little bit of a drum beat from
Rosenthal and passing and guys like that that just could
not believe the Mariners were pissing away this phenomenal once
in the lifetime rotation. Same thing with quarterbacks. I mean,
it's seen a Bryce Young too, Like, I don't know
what Bryce Young could be. You know who Bryce Young's
best receiver is in Carolina, Adam. He's thirty five years old.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Like, what are we doing? Trevor Lawrence says nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Nothing in Jacksonville, nothing to hand the ball to, nothing
to throw the ball to. So I think I think
Jenny or Tyler Warren. I disagree with him a Warren.
I think Warren's gonna be a star in the NFL too,
So I would definitely think about taking him at number
five if I were Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
But they got to get that guy some freaking help.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
There's no person and you go back and it was
It's interesting when he said because the second year, the
first year under Peterson's second year for Trevor Lawrence, that
was a really good year.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Go back and look at the numbers.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Ninety six passer rating, there's like twenty seven touchdowns for
a rookie spy good and but I mean that was
his secondear because his first year you just throw out.
You throw out the Urban Meyer year. I mean, that's
that's just a waste. And then this last year he
was hurt. So I mean, I I think Trevor Lawrence
bounced back with another weapon, either a running back or
a wide receiver, a tight end. Here in the first round,
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I think you could have a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Year this year.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I said it was ten times in the last since
twenty twelve that they've drafted in the top five.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm now going back to two thousand and nine when
they picked eighth.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Two thousand and eight, they picked eighth. I mean the
Jaguars are just top nine, Reggie Williams two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
They're constantly in the top five the last two years.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
They've not.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
No, no, they have not.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
But I'm looking at the names of the guys that
they've also drafted too, and there it's just turd city.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's turd City.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Leonard Fernette, Yeah, Leonard Fernette is the only highly drafted
running back not to hit in the last fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Jalen Ramsey number five, Dante Fowl number three, Fine Break,
Blake Bortles third, Luke Jocal second, Justin Blackman just got
a rest of the year day for public intoxication at
number five. I mean, they've just had some real swings
and missus down there. We're gonna break. Lan Zerline is
going to join up from NFL dot Com. One last
pre draft visit with Lance coming next on ninety three
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for one final pre draft visit. He's got to be relieved.
You mean I only have to do one more of
these things after this week is over with you dopes.
Our friend from NFL dot com lent Zerline, how are
you man.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I'm doing well.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
How you guys doing good? So I'll be I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
That Mike Florio is with us about an hour and
a half ago, and I asked them the same question
I want to ask you, do you believe on Thursday
that the Browns and the Giants will make their selections
at number two and number three? Or will they get
out and somebody else will step in?
Speaker 8 (18:32):
Well, there are teams trying to step in, but I
don't think they'll trade out. It's it's clear there are
there's a top quarterback, and there's you know, three more
top players, Ashton Genty, Travis Hunter, and Abdell Carter. And
Hunter and Carter are going to be the next to
go in what order we'll see. But no, I just
(18:54):
I think anybody that once teams consider the offer and
they they realize who they're on to trade back and take,
they'll just say, you know what, it's not going to
be worth it. We just we'd rather have a little
closer to a sure thing. So I think those teams
will stay put.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Lance we're John Schneider do something yesterday I don't ever
remember him doing, and that's kind of bristle at media
and fan criticism over the offensive line narrative. He says
it's a lazy narrative that the Hawks have struggled getting
offensive lineman. He went on to say, it's a it's
a league problem that kids want to get sacks and
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be pass rushers instead of wanting to be blockers.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
So talk to me about that theory that.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
It is a lazy narrative and it's more just a
dearth of offensive linemen out there in general.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
Well, I think it can be a lazy narrative. I
don't necessarily know if that's you know, apropos what the
Hawks are going through, but it is often a lazy narrative.
I see it in Houston. My dad was an NFL
offensive line coaching. You know, It's just it gets very
frustrating for if you pay attention to it, if you
know the stuff behind the scenes, A lot of fans
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don't really.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Put the time.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
I think fans are smarter than they ever been. Let
me first say that, I think there's so many great
resources and sources of information and fans who want to
get smarter and who have become smarter.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I do think that sometimes there's a.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Blame of the offensive line when you know, it can
be a quarterbacks issue, it could be a play callers issue,
it can be you know, it can be a tight
end or running back when it comes to sacks. So
I do think blaming the offensive line and blaming the
play caller are the two easiest things for fans to do.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
It's the play caller fault, it's the offensive line's fault.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
And then you know, you just think magic's going to
ensue once you change you know, once you change those
things out.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I think John's got a point though.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
You know, most defense, and this has been going on
for a long time, you have guys in the trenches
and there are certain players that are the more explosive
ones go on the defensive side of the ball because
they can be disruptive. And you know, sometimes the body
types that are a little bigger, thicker, maybe less explosive
(21:06):
in twitchy, go on the offensive side.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
And if a team.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
If you give a high school coach a chance to decide,
you know, where do you want to play this player?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
You want to play them on defense or offensive line?
Speaker 8 (21:15):
A lot of them are going to play them on
defense because that's the easier mode. You can you can
go have an impact on a team quicker in high
school that way, if you give the kid a chance,
he's going to go where he can start. And offensive
line is really about a unit. It's got to be
a unit. They got to play together. And so John's right,
I mean, the better talent goes to the defensive side
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of the ball. There's less offensive lineman. And now with
the way college footballs in the way that there is
less practice going on in the NFL, you don't have
as much time to teach technique, so players now don't
develop nearly the way that they used to in college
and even in the pros.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Well, lan zerlines with us in lance your last mock draft,
which came out six months ago, I'm kidding, by the way,
it was April first, though? Is it April first? Was
it three weeks ago? Your last mock draft came out?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
So it was April first. My next one's gonna.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Is due tomorrow, Okay, So give us a little bit
of a of a preview. I know you haven't done
it yet all that stuff, but your your last mock
you had the Hawks taken tat McMillan. Would you still
think that's a real possibility? On Thursday, I think it's
a possibility.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
I don't really know until I go through and let
the dominoes fall. I don't really honestly know, you know,
I'm I'm six picks into it right now. And uh so,
Mike Keil Williams, I've already got to find a new
slot for him. Okay, I've got to find a new
slot for Armen Membo.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Because I'm not putting him at seven anymore.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
So that that really changes a lot. Like every time
I put a new player in a new spot, it's
a series of it's a domino effect, and so I
really can't like until I get to take a look,
and I like to get this one as close to
being as perfect as poossible. It's impossible, it's an impossible task,
but it requires me. It usually takes me about six
(23:04):
to seven hours. So I go and look at I
go and look at contract situations on teams. It's it's
really gets hard once you get past the first ten picks,
twelve picks, and in this year it's more and that's
in a general sense.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
This year it's more difficult because.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
There's such a wide variety of opinions on on on picks,
you know, on players like twelve through through thirty four,
So I think that I think the Hawks I may
still you know, it's it's I always like to listen
to what the general managers say at these meetings. The
fact that John Schneider is bristling about the offensive line,
(23:42):
you know, I'm going to go back and try to
pick up the video of that or even the transcript
and read and try to read between the lines.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
About whether or not, you know, it sounds like he.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
Wants offensive line, or if it sounds like he wants
wide receiver, because I still think there's a really big
needed wide receiver. You can't just have Sam Arnold in
there with a guy that runs fast and a straight line.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I mean Jackson Smith and jigbas Is a very good
wide receiver.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
But you don't know how much you have left with
Cooper cut probably a one year deal, you know, Valvez
Gantling is gonna be, like I said, a field stretcher.
You need another legitimate pass catcher. Well, is that gonna
be Colston Lovelin. I gotta see if he's still on the.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Board for me.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
Is that gonna be you know, is that gonna be
Golden or Ted McMillan.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
We'll see how that comes off.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
I'm not sure I'm putting wide receiver at Dallas at twelve,
and if that's the case, then wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
May fall a little bit.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
So I may have the choice of at least one
and if not, maybe even two of those wide receivers
they're at eighteen for the Hawks.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
But I gotta also take a look at.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
Guard obviously, and I'm also gonna make some phone calls
see if I can't get.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Maybe some insight on on a direction that may be
maybe headed.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Why haven't we seen any pre draft trades? And do
you think that change changes Thursday? Do you think we'll
have a flurry in the first round.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I think we well the trades.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
I think you're gonna come with potentially possible of players.
Trey Hendrickson with Cincinnati, Caveon Thibodeau.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
If Abdul Carter goes to the Giants, you could see
kvon Thibodeau moved.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
If Vashton Genty goes to the Jaguars, you could see,
you know, Travis Eten moved. So that may be the
I think one of the reasons you're not seeing trades
before the draft is it's a it's not a great
draft to move up, Like, who are you moving up for?
There's not quarterbacks that anyone really wants to move up for.
No matter what the narrative is created nationally where you're
(25:33):
trying to turn Shador Sanders into a thing.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I don't know anyone that wants to move move up
and go take them. I'm not sure anyone wants to
move up and.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
Go grab Jackson dart not, not in the first fifteen picks.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
So I just don't think I think it's the.
Speaker 8 (25:47):
The reason that's happening where there's no picks is it's
not a draft where you just say, I've got to
have this guy.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
We cannot miss on that guy.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
Now, there's a couple of spots, you know, like there's
a couple of very desperate spots. The the Dolphins are
desperate for a defensive line. The New England Patriots are
desperate for a left tackle. But there are positions where
they can sit.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Tight and get guys they want. So you know, if
you're going to see a trade up, it's gonna be Dallas.
Speaker 8 (26:11):
Trying to move up and get Ashton Gent. It's gonna
be maybe the Denver Broncos moving up and making sure
they secure O'maron Hampton.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Maybe the Chargers moving up and.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
Getting their hands on Colston Loveland. It's gonna be something
like that.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Well, uh land zerline with us NFL dot Com courtesy
of our friends at Queen Aneber. I'll be there tomorrow
for the annual mock draft, and I hate to pick
on one of your co workers over there by the way. Actually,
I don't even know if James does. James Palmer still
work for NFL dot com as he's still with you guys.
No friend of mine though, Okay, so i'll tread lightly,
all right, I'll tread lightly, but and I'm just kind
(26:47):
of busting his balls a little. But I saw him
try out to you know that there's a team that
would love to move up in the top ten and
grab Travis Hunter. Well, no kidding, I mean, the guy's
a dual threat players. Of course teams would love to
move But you just mentioned something there though about shed
Door Sanders that you don't hear a lot of rumblings
about teams looking to move up. Because my dream scenario
is him being there at eighteen and a team like
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Pittsburgh moves up a couple of spots and maybe tries
to make a move for him. So how much willingness
do you think there really is to move up and
get shad Door Sanders.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
Well, so here's the thing I said first fifteen picks,
and the reason I stopped there is because and that's
kind of a generic, you know, stopping point, But right
now it's starting to feel like Shadoor Sanders is you know,
Mike Comlins making comments about Shoe shoud or Sanders.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
You're starting to see him mock more and more at
twenty one when that happens. And I think this is
why a lot.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
Of teams are very careful about making sure people don't
lock in on their picks.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
You know, football teams.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
Look at a lot of these mocks, and they look
at certain mocks and they want to try to get
a feel for where a player may go.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
And they know that some of the mocks, some of.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
The people just do good work and some of them
may have a connection here or there.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
They use it as a chance, you know, to kind
of run some some scenarios.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
And if Pittsburgh starts getting shot or Sanders locked in
too much, then if there is someone who wants shod
or Standers. They just say, hmm, let's start calling eighteen,
let's start calling nineteen, let's.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Start calling twenty.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Let's start calling these positions and see if we can
move out of twenty one. Because if you, if you
become too predictable, then it becomes too easy to move.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Ahead of you if someone wants the player. I'm just
not sure anyone's going.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
To move up out of the Steelers and take Shad
Door Sanders because I just don't think there's that buzz
on him.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I really don't. I haven't mock drafts, have.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
Hadn't gone twenty four, twenty nine and my last two,
and people got all mad at me, like I didn't
know what I was talking about, but I do know
the guys like that don't go and like he doesn't
have top ten stuff. And I watched all the tape
and I talked to him IFL people, and he's you know,
he's gonna fall. I think he's the second best quarterback
in the draft, right. I don't think he's going three
(28:59):
to the Giants.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I don't think he's going nine to the Saints. And
once you get past that, the slide probably.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
Continues until the Steelers potentially take him.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
If they don't take him, then then Katie.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Bar the door.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well you're not doing a good mock unless people are
pissed off at you, man, So congratulations being successful, all
right with me?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Great stuff, all right, dude, great stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Enjoy the week and we'll do it next week one
more time and wrapping all up.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
All right, Lance, that sounds good, Thanks guys, all right.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Bud Lance zerline NFL dot com. He's gonna have his
latest mock. I believe he said it comes out tomorrow night.
If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, midnight tomorrow. You gotta have
it in So, I don't know when they're gonna publish it.
They may wait until Thursday morning. But good stuff with Lance,
and big thanks to the Queen Anne Beer Hall, Mossbey Hall,
and they soon to be open Occidental Hall for sponsoring that.
(29:46):
All right, we're gonna break textimonials next four nine to
four five one. John Wilner joins it. Five, Brian Schmittzer
five forty five, and a busy day from you, Dub
Denzel Boston is gonna pop by and say hi as well,
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