April 28, 2025 • 28 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain visit with Hugh Millen to talk about the Seahawks draft, including Jalen Milroe and his skills, Nick Emmanwori, Miami TE Elijah Arroyo, each of Seattle’s day three picks and how they fit, plus Shedeur Sanders.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, speaking of a Potts, He's are Putts. We
love my friend. You're a friend, everybody's friend. A little
bit more at four with our friend Hugh Millan, how
are you man? What's happening, guys, I'm doing great. Thanks,
A lot of stuff to talk about. Did you hear
kaylen On with us a couple of seconds ago? Would
you make it what you heard from him regarding Jalen
Milroe and the tight end we got from Alabama?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Well, I think the tight end is part of a
theme of this draft. I see kind of four things.
I think they got more athletic. I think they got tougher.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I think they were looking to get smarter, and they
were willing to take some injury risks at three positions
with Elijah Royo, with Riley Mills and Tory Horton, and
so you know, that was just kind of a few
of the themes that I saw. But you know, I
think Jalen Milroe is obviously a lottery ticket of sorts, right.
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I think, you know, late third round, when you consider
the chance, you know, if he hits and and things
come together for him and he can be a top
ten quarterback in this league.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Someday. I think it's a relatively.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You know, light expenditure with what they had, you know,
late third round, nearly a fourth rounder.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Well, here we were just talking about the odds of
him becoming a legitimate starter in this league.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Where do you where do you see that three four
years down the road.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well, I think it's a great experiment because when you say, okay,
there's there's boxes that you want checked, and there there's
boxes that you need to check. If you say the
boxes you want to check for a quarterback leader, absolutely,
he was, you know, a two time team captain. He
actually won the academic Heisman Award. He graduated kum Loud
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in business with a three point fifty two gpa. Yeah,
he has a strong arm. But all these that I'm
describing for a moment, there are exceptions to it. I'm
not going to list you the quarterbacks that that constitute
the exceptions. But you want smart guys. They guys haven't
always been at least book smart. Uh fast guys. You
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want fast guys, strong guys like Ben Roethlisberger. Uh you know,
tall is generally preferred as short. So he checks all
the boxes that you want. But there's two boxes that
you need. You need to have accuracy, and you need
to process and and and I define process in simple terms,
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throw it to the right guy at the right time.
Those are the final two check boxes. Nobody has ever
been successful in the National Football League without checking those boxes.
That is, those are simply must and and yet the
paradox with this kid is that there's so much to
love about his game. Yeah, but but the stuff that
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you're most concerned about are the two boxes that are
most important. So why do I call it an experiment?
Can this guy actually look at this level? Can you
acquire that accuracy?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And And there's more meat on the bone on on
my thoughts on the accuracy day. But but yeah, that's
kind of my first thoughts with.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well, let me just kind of separate the fan and
the analyst, right if I can't, because I think the
fans like, oh, this is gonna be great. You know,
you want to be positive, you want to think that.
I mean, as I've always said, every time a player
ends up playing for your favorite team, he's instantly better,
instantly better the day he signs with your team versus
going to somebody else. Right, So I think there's a
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lot of that going on, that happens with the Mariners,
that happens with the Seahawks. People tend to want to
look at the positives and convince themselves that.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
This could work. So the fan in you versus the
analyst in.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
You, is there kind of a little bit of a
I don't know, maybe any flip going on there?
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well, yeah, well I.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Would say in this regard, first of all, when when
I immediately heard the news we're on the air they draft
mill Roll, Look, I remember, you know, just thinking, look,
this guy's a really quality guy. You know, all the
knucklehead stuff you got with Shader, you get nothing with
that with Jayalen Merrol. This guy's going to be a pro.
I love that about I love his approach to the game,
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and and you know, and obviously you know I've studied
those those runs the LSU. I mean, just watch the LSU.
Tap has a long touchdown run around the sidelining where
he just outruns everybody, and then he has one right
due down the middlefield where he's juking guys and then
he outruns everybody. I mean, the dude is really special,
you know, because he's got Jayden Daniel speed and uh
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and Lamar Jackson speed, but he's got you know, twenty
pounds on him, you know, and and so the strength.
So there's there's things I understand that are going to
be a a real load for a defense. But for
me personally, since you asked the question, I think once
you see Dan Marino throw a pass for me, I'm
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forever changed because to me, I I love you just
kind of say, what of the things we love about football?
I love a runner. I love a runner showing the speed,
the joke ability, whether it's a punt returner. Eric Dickerson
is my top five favorite athletes of all time. I'm
in just beautiful and and so I love runners. But
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I've always said the NFL is the place where I
want That's the one place where I can see a
guy stand in the pocket and just rip the ball
all over the field with an extensive route tree you
want to you want a corner route on a on
the far hash, rip it over to the sidelines forty
five yards down the field. I want that from an
NFL quarterback. You want to seem where there's a tight
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where you just you just rip it into a tiny
little mailbox. I want that from an NFL quarterback. I
can get my running fix from other positions. Hell, we
got bubble screens. Now I can throw it wide to
a wide receiver. I love the hell out of watching
a runner run. But I think that the league is is,
you know, it's changing, that it's that there's different values
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with quarterbacks. And I think that those that just raw
beautiful throwing that Dan Marino had, uh and others. But
to me, he's just the prettiest passer that ever put
two feet on planet Earth. Yeah, you know, I I
I kind of wished that that we still had some
of that, but it seems like it's being less prioritized.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But I'm gonna I'm gonna embrace.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
The hell out of Jay Jalen Milroe because he's an
electrifying athlete and he's a really good guy.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Hugh, if you're.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Clint Kobiak, do you use Jalen Milroe right off the bat?
And if so, how do you use Jalen?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, absolutely because because he you know, you come in
and and you let him run a red zone package
where he's in the shotgun. And o'kaylan was talking about, Hey,
we wanted to have him in the shotgun because from
the shotgun. He always represents a threat to keep it.
So whether they run, let's say he Milroe's in the
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shotgun and and you're you're running inside zoner Uh to
the right side or power you could be pulling guards.
It doesn't matter if you're just going off the right side. Well,
Jalen could read the left side and if they collapse,
then he can keep the ball outside. And and so
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that threat really kind of holds the spacing of the defense. Now,
I don't want to talk out of both sides of
my mouth, because I've talked about how Clint Kubiak is
gonna come in. You're gonna see a lot more under
center right, and and so that what he's gonna represent
in that regard is let's say we go stretched left
the outside zone to the left with Kenneth Walker going
right at Charles Cross or outside of Charles Cross the
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tight end there. Then he's gonna come around as a
right handed quarterback on the naked and there's opportunities to
throw it in the flat, or throw it on the
over route coming from the other side, or for him
to just run. So that that's gonna be the way
his athleticism is used under center mostly.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Well, humillin's with us, and I mean what you just
said there a few minutes ago, and what we asked
Haling about teaching that accuracy and anticipation at.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
The NFL level.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I mean, I guess I've always kind of long thought
that when you get to this level, you either have
it or you don't, and you can refine it.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
No question.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
You can play in the right system that will help
you play with a great line, great receivers, be with
the right coach, like you know, Mike Homgri and Andy
Reid or whatever.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
I mean, what do you think.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You think this guy can be coached at this level
to go from where we saw him as a thrower
of the ball in games like Oklahoma and Tennessee and
Michigan to a guy who is a amongst the elite
of the elite in the world and a top half
starting quarterback in the NFL. Can that be done?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's a great question, and I think my opinion is
kind of evolving, which is surprising, you know, given I'm
sixty one years old on this. But when I played
and bounced around the NFL, I'm not trying to bark,
this was just standard nobody ever ever had a coach
say one word to me, either at Washington or in
the NFL, you know, change how you throw. And nor
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did I ever see, uh, any coach try and change
how any of my teammate quarterbacks tried to throw. Now,
you you would work on your footwork where you say okay,
let's say okay, let's make sure our footwork is aligned
and and that our footwork is is working in conjunction
with how we're going to read it out. Yeah, a
lot of work on your footwork. But never ever, Hey,
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I want to I want you to change how you throw.
But this is why I say it's evolving. Tom Brady,
obviously I believe, is the goat, and then some he
actually transformed how he throws working with Tom House, the
pitching coach for USC. And Tom House has got in
the cottage industry coaching Drew Brees and Tom Brady and
and some mechanical things and and so there are guys
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in and uh, I'm not going to get into details,
but Josh Allen has said that he he changed, He's
changed a little bit of his mechanics. So I'm kind
of more open to the idea that it can change.
I'll say this about Milroe. When you say the kinetic
chain for a right handed quarterback that you're the energy
comes mainly from your right foot. Then your there's a
sequence to when you apply torque and you're twisting, and
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then uh, as you're rotating, it's a rotational throw. Then
the elbow comes in and there's a whippy nature to
the throw, and it all all lines up in my opinion,
when when Milroe steps uh think of there. You have
to be uh conversant with the terms open and closed.
So if a catcher throw into second base, if his
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shoulder is towards the shortstop, he's open. If if his
if his shoulders towards the second baseman when he's thrown
to actual second base, then that's what's called close. And
Milroe opens too fast? What what like like Brady, what
he would do when he would step with his left
foot to initiate the throwing motion, his shoulder would actually
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when he stepped, he would actually close his shoulder by
several inches. That that creates a certain torque within his
within his core, and so that there's the golfers call
it the X factor of the separation between your shoulders
and your hips. So so Brady was applying that. And
when you look at mill Row hit he stepped, he
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is open way too soon. His foot is open, his
left shoulder is open way too soon in the throwing motion.
So he's one of the guys. I started this portion
of our topic saying, I never had anybody try and
fix me throwing or fix anybody else that my teammate.
I think that somebody needs to try and work to
fix him, and and I would start with keeping that
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shoulder closed and preventing him from opening too soon in
the throwing.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Well, let me just say this real quick, because I
know Dick wants to jump in. If you're cool that
we're going to bring you back for a next segment
because there's a lot more to get to here. But guys,
have you ever heard of the name Andrew Jinoko? You
know who that is?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Coach?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
He is the passing game coordinator for He's the quarterbacks
coach for the Seahawks. Clint Kubiak played safety in college.
He didn't play quarterback. This guy did at Pittsburgh. So
what I mean my question is who's coaching him? Is
Andrew Jinoko going to be responsible for teaching Jalen Milroe
had to throw a ball and would behoove them like
I know he's been working with Jordan Palmer. By the
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way Milroe has what it behooved the Seahawks hugh to
go out and get somebody on their staff or maybe
even have him work with a guy, you know, off
the field, outside the organization to teach him how to
do the things you're talking about doing. Or do we
trust a guy that played safety in college and a
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guy that played quarterback at Pittsburgh has now being to
the NFL for eleven years. Do we trust these cats
on staff to do what you're talking about doing?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Well?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I think it's really more in the offseason I would
I would say whether it's Tom House or you know,
I think I haven't seen how Jordan Palmer coaches. I
know he coaches a lot of guys. I don't know
what the tenets of his philosophy are, right. I do
think that that that he should have somebody in the
off season that's working with him. And I mean, if
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he really grinded because you don't have time in practice,
like there's too it's just too big a pace that
there's no time for working on how you throw a
football at the NFL level, So I do think offseason.
But the other part of it, I have to say
this real quick. I think Jalen Milroe is is is
a one out of twenty one out of thirty guy
that his accuracy issues are actually mechanical. Most guys you know, like,
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let's just say Jake Locker, I love him to death.
You know, a great legendary husky. He's often brought up
as a guy who's not accurate. He he had the
throwing motion. If there was ever any issue is the
dynamic nature of accuracy where you're hitting a moving target,
and that's where your brain has to use an aviation term.
You have to vector, You have to you have to
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like lead, lead the receipt out in front, and if
you see a guy ahead or behind, it's just simply
because the right brain, the creative side of your brain,
didn't accurately sense where that movie target would be. Now,
if you dirt the ball or skymail over the receiver,
that's more often to be a mechanical thing. But when
you see the ball out in front or behind, that's
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more your brain just didn't process where the target would be.
So that's the central part of the accuracy piece, and
we haven't even talked about the anticipation piece. So there's
some work for Milroe to undertake to be a quality quarterback.
But you know, I think he's a willing student.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Hugh Soft.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You mentioned the comparison that somebody made to Cam Newton
a couple of segments ago, And when I think of
Cam Newton, I think of Hugh gushing over the quarterback
power that not a lot of guys can run. So
is is jailing a guy that can run quarterback power?
And also is he a guy that can run RPOs
at the NFL level or is that a.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Little too advanced for his accuracy level? Right away?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Oh? No, r pos are simple that, Yeah, he can run.
So So this is just a piece of public service
announcement on what an r p O is. It stands
for run pass option. But I hear a lot of
of not not analysts, but like play by play guys
who don't know what r PO means. Who's the least
athletic quarterback you've ever seen? Kurt Warner to the run person,
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The run portion of the r p O is not
the quarterback running. A lot of people get this wrong.
I've heard I've heard Scott Van Pelt get this wrong,
specifically him and others like him. The the what a
r p O is is, whether it's Mill Row or
or Tom Brady, you're standing in the shotgun and you
you call a running play, and let's say you call
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inside zone. The offensive line and the running back they
all run exactly as if it's inside zone. But the
receivers instead of blocking a safety, the receivers they run
a little bubble screen, a wide receiver screen concept. And
so like, if you've got three receivers out to left,
let's say you're gonna throw to the bubble. The closest guy,
he's gonna run a little swing of bubble screen. The
two guys out on the perimeter are gonna block the
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most dangerous on the two. And then the quarterback kind
of he reads a conflict defender and he says, okay,
if he if he crashes in to defend the run,
I'm gonna throw it out there to the RP to
the screen. The wide receiver screen. So RPO is not
does not demand athleticism. Hell, when the Eagles won the
Super Bowl in twenty seventeen, Nick Foles that they were
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hitting RPOs as much as anybody in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Nick Foles camp runro.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Could fake it to walk around. Now, you can't take all.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
One yeah, one percent of all r pos are are
are tied to a quarterback run with a wide receiver,
with a wide receiver screen.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
And you know what he can be. He can be
one of the one percenters for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Let me jump quarterback to all or a quarterback let
me jump in. I'm gonna cut you off because I
want get through break. We're gonna come back. And we
got a lot more to get to with the Seahawks
draft class. So some other stories across the country we
want to get to as well.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
More at four with Hugh.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
We'll continue that next on ninety three three KJRFM Live.
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Speaker 1 (17:25):
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Jalen Milroe gonna join us at five o'clock this evening
right here on ninety three to three KJRFM, Seahawks third
round draft pick, and day Hugh, I'm just gonna kind
of give you the floor to kind of jump on
some of these guys. I mean, it's just so intriguing, man.
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I mean, we saw Damian Martinez run all over the
Husky defense two years ago for Oregon State. This Mason
Richmond tackle from Iowa, starts forty three games in Iowa
for Kurt Farrence. I mean, Gray comes from a program
that just puts offensive linemen in the NFL like.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
They grow on trees.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Even Warri was a star at the Combine, a hard
hitting safety from South Carolina. But a couple of guys
anything on this list of eleven draft picks that really
has you intrigued.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well, if I look and I say, okay, my expectation
level for contribution is commensurate with when they got picked, right,
So I'm high on Gray's abel. I think they got
tougher and smarter. They got more like Steve Hutchinson, Amm
and Warri. I watched a ton of tape. I didn't
see the camp Chancellor thumping that I expected. I saw
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every single one of his tackles, but he's long. I
like him in the coral flat, which is down by
the line of scrimmage, and then using his speed to
play from inside out towards the sideline. I mean, there's
a lot more there. But Elijah Royo, I'm actually more excited,
you know, with a fiftieth pick. This guy runs like
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a wide receiver. I mean, now, he had an a
c l that cost him the better part of two seasons,
and but for that, I honestly think he's first round talent.
That guy, when he's healthy, has great movement skills and
and really good hands. I think he was under used.
We've already discussed Milroe. Riley Mills is one of these
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injury guys. You know, first time I put on the tape,
I go, what's the difference in him and and uh
Mason m Mason Graham. You know, I mean he looks
like a clone of Mason Graham. Now I'm not really
saying that, but it's like, ohoh, you have to look
he I mean there's a strength to him and a quickness.
I think they'll probably play him at the four to
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five tech out on the uh on the on the
tackle as opposed he was a three tech on the
outside shade of the guard, but I think on on
third downs he can play on the inside shaded guard.
He's a really athletic, so we'll see how he responds
from his a cl Tory Horton is a real high
i Q guy that that finishes deep balls like like uh,
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like Tyler Lockett does. There's a polish to his game.
Maybe he lacks a wee bit of explosiveness. That's why
it comes to the fifth round plush kind of skiing
and has been a little bit injury prone. But there's
a playmaker there. I would say, for me, not real.
I don't have a lot of confidence confidence that Damien
Martinez is going to be a contributor. I just I
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don't know that he he has this suddenness that you
need at the National Football League level. Who was that
that uh, that running back back about fifteen years ago.
Guys in training camp that for Set Justin for Set,
you know, remember Justin for Set was the darling. I
think he might be he might have a little bit
of Justin for Set in him.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Yeah, for Set had a decent career though.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, yeah, that's maybe a bad analogy because he went
to Baltimore and played pretty well. So but uh, maybe
maybe just a lighter version of him, but I think
rob oots. It's really like, this dude looks like he
could be in a keg throwing contest. Like his legs
are legendary.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
To use.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't know the term of the of the weekend,
and there's a physicality that he's going to bring in
with excuse me, Clint Kubiak. The percentage of times that
the Seahawks were in two tight ends or more, the
Saints were first. And the percentage of times that the
Saints were in two running backs for more, the Saints
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were fifth. On average. Each team in the league they
only play with two running backs nine percent of the time.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Ninety one percent of the time when a defense has
to sort through their gap responsibilities, it's only one running
back common and Adam with no lead blocker. When you
have a lead blocker coming into these plays, now you
have to fit the gap. Sometimes you have to say, well,
I need to get into the gap, but because there's
a lead blocker, I need to get on the opposite
side to take on the block and hopefully my buddy's
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gonna be on the inside. There's things you have to
do on the fly to react to a lead blocker
that most NFL teams are not showing. So I think
similar to the way the forty nine ers use use
Jeff and they do wide zone with a lead blocker
in us Jeff and he's almost kind of the eyes
of the running back, You're gonna see a lot of
contribution from this Robbie Huts. They got a lot more
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physical with his presence.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Is a royal better than Noah fan right away? Do
you think potentially after a trading camp.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, I mean with the caveat Rookie, there's a little
bit of adjustment, But I think that's gonna happen in days,
not weeks, you know, weeks, not months. I think he's
gonna He's just there's certain things fans fans iq in
sense of how to get open. He just I don't know.
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I mean, he's a better athlete than he is a
football player. He's not a real tenacious blocker.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I don't know. I think he's just a guy and
I think a royal.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So there's there's times when I watched cause I because
I noticed him studying a lot of cam word tape
and he wears number eight, which isn't what you think
of as a tight end. But of course numbers have
been all construed, you know, misconstrued. You got, you know,
defensive ends wearing number seven. But but I did you know,
I originally thought eight, just watching his movement, not really
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focusing on.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
How big he was.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I just thought, well, that's a wide receiver, period. I
never even gave it a second thought. And then it
turns out he's six foot five and one eighth and
two hundred and fifty pounds and he's out there moving
like a six to one receiver. So I'm I'm actually
probably more excited about Arroyo than I am. Amm and worry.
I think, amm and worry. Guys, I'm gona little. I'm
gonna pump the brakes on the cam Chancellor analogies for
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me because I don't see that rumpy.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I'm probably this is my conjecture.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I think that what Mike McDonald does is he says
I had a really long and instinctive safety in Kyle Hamilton,
a first round draft pick out of note name, very instinctive.
When you watch the tape, Emon Worrie has the length
of Kyle Hamilton. He doesn't have the instincts, but he
has a better skill set. So I'll bet you that
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what Mike McDonald is doing is just that Clay is
just too enticing that that clay on the pottery wheel.
I can form this guy, I'll teach him to Maybe
he'll never be as instinctive as Kyle Hamilton, but I
can get him close. And with his physical traits, he
you know, if he makes a mistake and he's a
little late in recognition, he's so athletic that he can
still get to the spot.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So his secondary coach, Tory and Gray, is going to
join us on Thursday, by the way, on the show,
so we'll talk with him about Nick m and worry.
But well, they got a few minutes left here, and
I do want to get a take from you on
the biggest story of the weekend from a national perspective,
which was Shador Sanders. I mean, mel Kiper almost had
an aneurysm on TV over this guy falling man. So
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what'd you make of his fall and the reaction to
it and the reaction.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
To that, well, few a few times on the different
shows on our station, I've I've just had a long
list of of the football reasons, why should we have felt?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Just strictly, why the tape?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And I'm not going to do that again because we
don't have the time and I've done it before. But
but just to thought, guys, So I was in Atlanta
when Dion got drafted and and I liked Dion as
a team at he was great. The whole primetime thing.
Just by way of review, he was a cornerback Deon Talcan.
Now that felt like, wait a minute, all the guys
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on offense who are scoring touchdowns, they're the ones who
are getting the acclaim in the and the endorsements, endorsements
and the money. And so he invented prime time as
a marketing machine to make him more marketable. And I
remember the first game that he played against the Rams
because they uh uh, they put him back on the
punt return and it was electric, and he took the
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second punt back for a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
It was electric.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
He was so far better the best football player on
the field. It wasn't even close. But but he had
to do that because he was a cornerback for Shudur
to emulate his father, that's not what the NFL wants
to see. They don't want quarterbacks acting like that. They
want quarterbacks acting like Dak Prescott, all professional, right, and
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so I think that there's that piece. And then the
other part is both Dion and Shadur completely overvalued how
much the NFL wanted them. So for Deon to go
around saying, hey, there's teams that I won't let my
son play for, and the way Shudur handle it, I
don't know that that together, I don't expect to ever
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see a draft candidate sabotized himself for the rest of
my life. They're like, there's nothing like what they've done.
They had an awful pro Daide Shadors throwing ducks for
the first fifteen minutes. He couldn't drive the ball to
the outside. He was completing passes, but out of bounds. Dude,
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choreographics pull the wide receivers split in by a yard
if you don't think you can complete the ball in bounds,
if you don't have the arm strength, like so very lousey.
Pro Dade passed on the Senior Bowl thinking that he
was you know, Cam Wort can pass on the Semia Bowl. Uh,
Caleb Williams can pass on the Senior Bowl. But but
just every decision they've made and the comments they made,
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how they've conducted this. So it's literally they're gonna be
studying this in I don't know what what parts of
an NBA st you know, whether it's marketing or whether
I don't know, it's just product presentation. They're going to
be studying what Shoulder and Deon Sanders did to themselves
though the last few months. They're gonna be studying this
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for decades in business schools.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Speaking of sabotaizing yourself.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
For you one minute, by the way, you'll go.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Quinn Ewers gave up eight million dollars, reportedly in NIL
for a four year, four point three million dollar non
guaranteed contract.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Is this gonna be?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Is this gonna be something that's a cautionary tale that
more quarterbacks that you can say, forget the draft, man,
I'll go when I'm eligible to go.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
He he should have he should have come back. He
should have transferred. I don't know if there was an
ego thing going on with with Arch Manning or what
have you. I'm not gonna, you know, run away to
another school. I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the NFL.
But but he he should have pulled a cam word.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, yeah, no, agreed in hindsight, totally agreed. All right,
great stuff, man, We will talk tomorrow at three o'clock.
All right, Bud, thanks, all right, rock and roll Himer down,
all right, you bet you're milling with us. We're gonna
break textimonials, and then Jalen Milroe himself will join us,
said five o'clock tonight, right here on ninety three three
kJ R FM
All right, speaking of a Potts, He's are Putts. We
love my friend. You're a friend, everybody's friend. A little
bit more at four with our friend Hugh Millan, how
are you man? What's happening, guys, I'm doing great. Thanks,
A lot of stuff to talk about. Did you hear
kaylen On with us a couple of seconds ago? Would
you make it what you heard from him regarding Jalen
Milroe and the tight end we got from Alabama?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Well, I think the tight end is part of a
theme of this draft. I see kind of four things.
I think they got more athletic. I think they got tougher.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I think they were looking to get smarter, and they
were willing to take some injury risks at three positions
with Elijah Royo, with Riley Mills and Tory Horton, and
so you know, that was just kind of a few
of the themes that I saw. But you know, I
think Jalen Milroe is obviously a lottery ticket of sorts, right.
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I think, you know, late third round, when you consider
the chance, you know, if he hits and and things
come together for him and he can be a top
ten quarterback in this league.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Someday. I think it's a relatively.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
You know, light expenditure with what they had, you know,
late third round, nearly a fourth rounder.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Well, here we were just talking about the odds of
him becoming a legitimate starter in this league.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Where do you where do you see that three four
years down the road.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well, I think it's a great experiment because when you say, okay,
there's there's boxes that you want checked, and there there's
boxes that you need to check. If you say the
boxes you want to check for a quarterback leader, absolutely,
he was, you know, a two time team captain. He
actually won the academic Heisman Award. He graduated kum Loud
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in business with a three point fifty two gpa. Yeah,
he has a strong arm. But all these that I'm
describing for a moment, there are exceptions to it. I'm
not going to list you the quarterbacks that that constitute
the exceptions. But you want smart guys. They guys haven't
always been at least book smart. Uh fast guys. You
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want fast guys, strong guys like Ben Roethlisberger. Uh you know,
tall is generally preferred as short. So he checks all
the boxes that you want. But there's two boxes that
you need. You need to have accuracy, and you need
to process and and and I define process in simple terms,
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throw it to the right guy at the right time.
Those are the final two check boxes. Nobody has ever
been successful in the National Football League without checking those boxes.
That is, those are simply must and and yet the
paradox with this kid is that there's so much to
love about his game. Yeah, but but the stuff that
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you're most concerned about are the two boxes that are
most important. So why do I call it an experiment?
Can this guy actually look at this level? Can you
acquire that accuracy?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
And And there's more meat on the bone on on
my thoughts on the accuracy day. But but yeah, that's
kind of my first thoughts with.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well, let me just kind of separate the fan and
the analyst, right if I can't, because I think the
fans like, oh, this is gonna be great. You know,
you want to be positive, you want to think that.
I mean, as I've always said, every time a player
ends up playing for your favorite team, he's instantly better,
instantly better the day he signs with your team versus
going to somebody else. Right, So I think there's a
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lot of that going on, that happens with the Mariners,
that happens with the Seahawks. People tend to want to
look at the positives and convince themselves that.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
This could work. So the fan in you versus the
analyst in.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
You, is there kind of a little bit of a
I don't know, maybe any flip going on there?
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well, yeah, well I.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Would say in this regard, first of all, when when
I immediately heard the news we're on the air they draft
mill Roll, Look, I remember, you know, just thinking, look,
this guy's a really quality guy. You know, all the
knucklehead stuff you got with Shader, you get nothing with
that with Jayalen Merrol. This guy's going to be a pro.
I love that about I love his approach to the game,
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and and you know, and obviously you know I've studied
those those runs the LSU. I mean, just watch the LSU.
Tap has a long touchdown run around the sidelining where
he just outruns everybody, and then he has one right
due down the middlefield where he's juking guys and then
he outruns everybody. I mean, the dude is really special,
you know, because he's got Jayden Daniel speed and uh
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and Lamar Jackson speed, but he's got you know, twenty
pounds on him, you know, and and so the strength.
So there's there's things I understand that are going to
be a a real load for a defense. But for
me personally, since you asked the question, I think once
you see Dan Marino throw a pass for me, I'm
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forever changed because to me, I I love you just
kind of say, what of the things we love about football?
I love a runner. I love a runner showing the speed,
the joke ability, whether it's a punt returner. Eric Dickerson
is my top five favorite athletes of all time. I'm
in just beautiful and and so I love runners. But
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I've always said the NFL is the place where I
want That's the one place where I can see a
guy stand in the pocket and just rip the ball
all over the field with an extensive route tree you
want to you want a corner route on a on
the far hash, rip it over to the sidelines forty
five yards down the field. I want that from an
NFL quarterback. You want to seem where there's a tight
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where you just you just rip it into a tiny
little mailbox. I want that from an NFL quarterback. I
can get my running fix from other positions. Hell, we
got bubble screens. Now I can throw it wide to
a wide receiver. I love the hell out of watching
a runner run. But I think that the league is is,
you know, it's changing, that it's that there's different values
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with quarterbacks. And I think that those that just raw
beautiful throwing that Dan Marino had, uh and others. But
to me, he's just the prettiest passer that ever put
two feet on planet Earth. Yeah, you know, I I
I kind of wished that that we still had some
of that, but it seems like it's being less prioritized.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But I'm gonna I'm gonna embrace.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
The hell out of Jay Jalen Milroe because he's an
electrifying athlete and he's a really good guy.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Hugh, if you're.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Clint Kobiak, do you use Jalen Milroe right off the bat?
And if so, how do you use Jalen?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, absolutely because because he you know, you come in
and and you let him run a red zone package
where he's in the shotgun. And o'kaylan was talking about, Hey,
we wanted to have him in the shotgun because from
the shotgun. He always represents a threat to keep it.
So whether they run, let's say he Milroe's in the
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shotgun and and you're you're running inside zoner Uh to
the right side or power you could be pulling guards.
It doesn't matter if you're just going off the right side. Well,
Jalen could read the left side and if they collapse,
then he can keep the ball outside. And and so
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that threat really kind of holds the spacing of the defense. Now,
I don't want to talk out of both sides of
my mouth, because I've talked about how Clint Kubiak is
gonna come in. You're gonna see a lot more under
center right, and and so that what he's gonna represent
in that regard is let's say we go stretched left
the outside zone to the left with Kenneth Walker going
right at Charles Cross or outside of Charles Cross the
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tight end there. Then he's gonna come around as a
right handed quarterback on the naked and there's opportunities to
throw it in the flat, or throw it on the
over route coming from the other side, or for him
to just run. So that that's gonna be the way
his athleticism is used under center mostly.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Well, humillin's with us, and I mean what you just
said there a few minutes ago, and what we asked
Haling about teaching that accuracy and anticipation at.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
The NFL level.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I mean, I guess I've always kind of long thought
that when you get to this level, you either have
it or you don't, and you can refine it.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
No question.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
You can play in the right system that will help
you play with a great line, great receivers, be with
the right coach, like you know, Mike Homgri and Andy
Reid or whatever.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
I mean, what do you think.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You think this guy can be coached at this level
to go from where we saw him as a thrower
of the ball in games like Oklahoma and Tennessee and
Michigan to a guy who is a amongst the elite
of the elite in the world and a top half
starting quarterback in the NFL. Can that be done?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's a great question, and I think my opinion is
kind of evolving, which is surprising, you know, given I'm
sixty one years old on this. But when I played
and bounced around the NFL, I'm not trying to bark,
this was just standard nobody ever ever had a coach
say one word to me, either at Washington or in
the NFL, you know, change how you throw. And nor
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did I ever see, uh, any coach try and change
how any of my teammate quarterbacks tried to throw. Now,
you you would work on your footwork where you say okay,
let's say okay, let's make sure our footwork is aligned
and and that our footwork is is working in conjunction
with how we're going to read it out. Yeah, a
lot of work on your footwork. But never ever, Hey,
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I want to I want you to change how you throw.
But this is why I say it's evolving. Tom Brady,
obviously I believe, is the goat, and then some he
actually transformed how he throws working with Tom House, the
pitching coach for USC. And Tom House has got in
the cottage industry coaching Drew Brees and Tom Brady and
and some mechanical things and and so there are guys
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in and uh, I'm not going to get into details,
but Josh Allen has said that he he changed, He's
changed a little bit of his mechanics. So I'm kind
of more open to the idea that it can change.
I'll say this about Milroe. When you say the kinetic
chain for a right handed quarterback that you're the energy
comes mainly from your right foot. Then your there's a
sequence to when you apply torque and you're twisting, and
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then uh, as you're rotating, it's a rotational throw. Then
the elbow comes in and there's a whippy nature to
the throw, and it all all lines up in my opinion,
when when Milroe steps uh think of there. You have
to be uh conversant with the terms open and closed.
So if a catcher throw into second base, if his
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shoulder is towards the shortstop, he's open. If if his
if his shoulders towards the second baseman when he's thrown
to actual second base, then that's what's called close. And
Milroe opens too fast? What what like like Brady, what
he would do when he would step with his left
foot to initiate the throwing motion, his shoulder would actually
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when he stepped, he would actually close his shoulder by
several inches. That that creates a certain torque within his
within his core, and so that there's the golfers call
it the X factor of the separation between your shoulders
and your hips. So so Brady was applying that. And
when you look at mill Row hit he stepped, he
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is open way too soon. His foot is open, his
left shoulder is open way too soon in the throwing motion.
So he's one of the guys. I started this portion
of our topic saying, I never had anybody try and
fix me throwing or fix anybody else that my teammate.
I think that somebody needs to try and work to
fix him, and and I would start with keeping that
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shoulder closed and preventing him from opening too soon in
the throwing.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Well, let me just say this real quick, because I
know Dick wants to jump in. If you're cool that
we're going to bring you back for a next segment
because there's a lot more to get to here. But guys,
have you ever heard of the name Andrew Jinoko? You
know who that is?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Coach?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
He is the passing game coordinator for He's the quarterbacks
coach for the Seahawks. Clint Kubiak played safety in college.
He didn't play quarterback. This guy did at Pittsburgh. So
what I mean my question is who's coaching him? Is
Andrew Jinoko going to be responsible for teaching Jalen Milroe
had to throw a ball and would behoove them like
I know he's been working with Jordan Palmer. By the
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way Milroe has what it behooved the Seahawks hugh to
go out and get somebody on their staff or maybe
even have him work with a guy, you know, off
the field, outside the organization to teach him how to
do the things you're talking about doing. Or do we
trust a guy that played safety in college and a
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guy that played quarterback at Pittsburgh has now being to
the NFL for eleven years. Do we trust these cats
on staff to do what you're talking about doing?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Well?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I think it's really more in the offseason I would
I would say whether it's Tom House or you know,
I think I haven't seen how Jordan Palmer coaches. I
know he coaches a lot of guys. I don't know
what the tenets of his philosophy are, right. I do
think that that that he should have somebody in the
off season that's working with him. And I mean, if
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he really grinded because you don't have time in practice,
like there's too it's just too big a pace that
there's no time for working on how you throw a
football at the NFL level, So I do think offseason.
But the other part of it, I have to say
this real quick. I think Jalen Milroe is is is
a one out of twenty one out of thirty guy
that his accuracy issues are actually mechanical. Most guys you know, like,
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let's just say Jake Locker, I love him to death.
You know, a great legendary husky. He's often brought up
as a guy who's not accurate. He he had the
throwing motion. If there was ever any issue is the
dynamic nature of accuracy where you're hitting a moving target,
and that's where your brain has to use an aviation term.
You have to vector, You have to you have to
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like lead, lead the receipt out in front, and if
you see a guy ahead or behind, it's just simply
because the right brain, the creative side of your brain,
didn't accurately sense where that movie target would be. Now,
if you dirt the ball or skymail over the receiver,
that's more often to be a mechanical thing. But when
you see the ball out in front or behind, that's
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more your brain just didn't process where the target would be.
So that's the central part of the accuracy piece, and
we haven't even talked about the anticipation piece. So there's
some work for Milroe to undertake to be a quality quarterback.
But you know, I think he's a willing student.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Hugh Soft.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You mentioned the comparison that somebody made to Cam Newton
a couple of segments ago, And when I think of
Cam Newton, I think of Hugh gushing over the quarterback
power that not a lot of guys can run. So
is is jailing a guy that can run quarterback power?
And also is he a guy that can run RPOs
at the NFL level or is that a.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Little too advanced for his accuracy level? Right away?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Oh? No, r pos are simple that, Yeah, he can run.
So So this is just a piece of public service
announcement on what an r p O is. It stands
for run pass option. But I hear a lot of
of not not analysts, but like play by play guys
who don't know what r PO means. Who's the least
athletic quarterback you've ever seen? Kurt Warner to the run person,
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The run portion of the r p O is not
the quarterback running. A lot of people get this wrong.
I've heard I've heard Scott Van Pelt get this wrong,
specifically him and others like him. The the what a
r p O is is, whether it's Mill Row or
or Tom Brady, you're standing in the shotgun and you
you call a running play, and let's say you call
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inside zone. The offensive line and the running back they
all run exactly as if it's inside zone. But the
receivers instead of blocking a safety, the receivers they run
a little bubble screen, a wide receiver screen concept. And
so like, if you've got three receivers out to left,
let's say you're gonna throw to the bubble. The closest guy,
he's gonna run a little swing of bubble screen. The
two guys out on the perimeter are gonna block the
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most dangerous on the two. And then the quarterback kind
of he reads a conflict defender and he says, okay,
if he if he crashes in to defend the run,
I'm gonna throw it out there to the RP to
the screen. The wide receiver screen. So RPO is not
does not demand athleticism. Hell, when the Eagles won the
Super Bowl in twenty seventeen, Nick Foles that they were
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hitting RPOs as much as anybody in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Nick Foles camp runro.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Could fake it to walk around. Now, you can't take all.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
One yeah, one percent of all r pos are are
are tied to a quarterback run with a wide receiver,
with a wide receiver screen.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
And you know what he can be. He can be
one of the one percenters for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Let me jump quarterback to all or a quarterback let
me jump in. I'm gonna cut you off because I
want get through break. We're gonna come back. And we
got a lot more to get to with the Seahawks
draft class. So some other stories across the country we
want to get to as well.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
More at four with Hugh.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
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Speaker 1 (17:25):
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Jalen Milroe gonna join us at five o'clock this evening
right here on ninety three to three KJRFM, Seahawks third
round draft pick, and day Hugh, I'm just gonna kind
of give you the floor to kind of jump on
some of these guys. I mean, it's just so intriguing, man.
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I mean, we saw Damian Martinez run all over the
Husky defense two years ago for Oregon State. This Mason
Richmond tackle from Iowa, starts forty three games in Iowa
for Kurt Farrence. I mean, Gray comes from a program
that just puts offensive linemen in the NFL like.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
They grow on trees.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Even Warri was a star at the Combine, a hard
hitting safety from South Carolina. But a couple of guys
anything on this list of eleven draft picks that really
has you intrigued.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well, if I look and I say, okay, my expectation
level for contribution is commensurate with when they got picked, right,
So I'm high on Gray's abel. I think they got
tougher and smarter. They got more like Steve Hutchinson, Amm
and Warri. I watched a ton of tape. I didn't
see the camp Chancellor thumping that I expected. I saw
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every single one of his tackles, but he's long. I
like him in the coral flat, which is down by
the line of scrimmage, and then using his speed to
play from inside out towards the sideline. I mean, there's
a lot more there. But Elijah Royo, I'm actually more excited,
you know, with a fiftieth pick. This guy runs like
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a wide receiver. I mean, now, he had an a
c l that cost him the better part of two seasons,
and but for that, I honestly think he's first round talent.
That guy, when he's healthy, has great movement skills and
and really good hands. I think he was under used.
We've already discussed Milroe. Riley Mills is one of these
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injury guys. You know, first time I put on the tape,
I go, what's the difference in him and and uh
Mason m Mason Graham. You know, I mean he looks
like a clone of Mason Graham. Now I'm not really
saying that, but it's like, ohoh, you have to look
he I mean there's a strength to him and a quickness.
I think they'll probably play him at the four to
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five tech out on the uh on the on the
tackle as opposed he was a three tech on the
outside shade of the guard, but I think on on
third downs he can play on the inside shaded guard.
He's a really athletic, so we'll see how he responds
from his a cl Tory Horton is a real high
i Q guy that that finishes deep balls like like uh,
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like Tyler Lockett does. There's a polish to his game.
Maybe he lacks a wee bit of explosiveness. That's why
it comes to the fifth round plush kind of skiing
and has been a little bit injury prone. But there's
a playmaker there. I would say, for me, not real.
I don't have a lot of confidence confidence that Damien
Martinez is going to be a contributor. I just I
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don't know that he he has this suddenness that you
need at the National Football League level. Who was that
that uh, that running back back about fifteen years ago.
Guys in training camp that for Set Justin for Set,
you know, remember Justin for Set was the darling. I
think he might be he might have a little bit
of Justin for Set in him.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Yeah, for Set had a decent career though.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, yeah, that's maybe a bad analogy because he went
to Baltimore and played pretty well. So but uh, maybe
maybe just a lighter version of him, but I think
rob oots. It's really like, this dude looks like he
could be in a keg throwing contest. Like his legs
are legendary.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
To use.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't know the term of the of the weekend,
and there's a physicality that he's going to bring in
with excuse me, Clint Kubiak. The percentage of times that
the Seahawks were in two tight ends or more, the
Saints were first. And the percentage of times that the
Saints were in two running backs for more, the Saints
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were fifth. On average. Each team in the league they
only play with two running backs nine percent of the time.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Ninety one percent of the time when a defense has
to sort through their gap responsibilities, it's only one running
back common and Adam with no lead blocker. When you
have a lead blocker coming into these plays, now you
have to fit the gap. Sometimes you have to say, well,
I need to get into the gap, but because there's
a lead blocker, I need to get on the opposite
side to take on the block and hopefully my buddy's
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gonna be on the inside. There's things you have to
do on the fly to react to a lead blocker
that most NFL teams are not showing. So I think
similar to the way the forty nine ers use use
Jeff and they do wide zone with a lead blocker
in us Jeff and he's almost kind of the eyes
of the running back, You're gonna see a lot of
contribution from this Robbie Huts. They got a lot more
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physical with his presence.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Is a royal better than Noah fan right away? Do
you think potentially after a trading camp.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, I mean with the caveat Rookie, there's a little
bit of adjustment, But I think that's gonna happen in days,
not weeks, you know, weeks, not months. I think he's
gonna He's just there's certain things fans fans iq in
sense of how to get open. He just I don't know.
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I mean, he's a better athlete than he is a
football player. He's not a real tenacious blocker.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I don't know. I think he's just a guy and
I think a royal.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So there's there's times when I watched cause I because
I noticed him studying a lot of cam word tape
and he wears number eight, which isn't what you think
of as a tight end. But of course numbers have
been all construed, you know, misconstrued. You got, you know,
defensive ends wearing number seven. But but I did you know,
I originally thought eight, just watching his movement, not really
(23:20):
focusing on.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
How big he was.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I just thought, well, that's a wide receiver, period. I
never even gave it a second thought. And then it
turns out he's six foot five and one eighth and
two hundred and fifty pounds and he's out there moving
like a six to one receiver. So I'm I'm actually
probably more excited about Arroyo than I am. Amm and worry.
I think, amm and worry. Guys, I'm gona little. I'm
gonna pump the brakes on the cam Chancellor analogies for
(23:45):
me because I don't see that rumpy.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I'm probably this is my conjecture.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I think that what Mike McDonald does is he says
I had a really long and instinctive safety in Kyle Hamilton,
a first round draft pick out of note name, very instinctive.
When you watch the tape, Emon Worrie has the length
of Kyle Hamilton. He doesn't have the instincts, but he
has a better skill set. So I'll bet you that
(24:12):
what Mike McDonald is doing is just that Clay is
just too enticing that that clay on the pottery wheel.
I can form this guy, I'll teach him to Maybe
he'll never be as instinctive as Kyle Hamilton, but I
can get him close. And with his physical traits, he
you know, if he makes a mistake and he's a
little late in recognition, he's so athletic that he can
still get to the spot.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So his secondary coach, Tory and Gray, is going to
join us on Thursday, by the way, on the show,
so we'll talk with him about Nick m and worry.
But well, they got a few minutes left here, and
I do want to get a take from you on
the biggest story of the weekend from a national perspective,
which was Shador Sanders. I mean, mel Kiper almost had
an aneurysm on TV over this guy falling man. So
(24:57):
what'd you make of his fall and the reaction to
it and the reaction.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
To that, well, few a few times on the different
shows on our station, I've I've just had a long
list of of the football reasons, why should we have felt?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Just strictly, why the tape?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And I'm not going to do that again because we
don't have the time and I've done it before. But
but just to thought, guys, So I was in Atlanta
when Dion got drafted and and I liked Dion as
a team at he was great. The whole primetime thing.
Just by way of review, he was a cornerback Deon Talcan.
Now that felt like, wait a minute, all the guys
(25:32):
on offense who are scoring touchdowns, they're the ones who
are getting the acclaim in the and the endorsements, endorsements
and the money. And so he invented prime time as
a marketing machine to make him more marketable. And I
remember the first game that he played against the Rams
because they uh uh, they put him back on the
punt return and it was electric, and he took the
(25:52):
second punt back for a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
It was electric.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
He was so far better the best football player on
the field. It wasn't even close. But but he had
to do that because he was a cornerback for Shudur
to emulate his father, that's not what the NFL wants
to see. They don't want quarterbacks acting like that. They
want quarterbacks acting like Dak Prescott, all professional, right, and
(26:16):
so I think that there's that piece. And then the
other part is both Dion and Shadur completely overvalued how
much the NFL wanted them. So for Deon to go
around saying, hey, there's teams that I won't let my
son play for, and the way Shudur handle it, I
don't know that that together, I don't expect to ever
(26:39):
see a draft candidate sabotized himself for the rest of
my life. They're like, there's nothing like what they've done.
They had an awful pro Daide Shadors throwing ducks for
the first fifteen minutes. He couldn't drive the ball to
the outside. He was completing passes, but out of bounds. Dude,
(27:01):
choreographics pull the wide receivers split in by a yard
if you don't think you can complete the ball in bounds,
if you don't have the arm strength, like so very lousey.
Pro Dade passed on the Senior Bowl thinking that he
was you know, Cam Wort can pass on the Semia Bowl. Uh,
Caleb Williams can pass on the Senior Bowl. But but
just every decision they've made and the comments they made,
(27:25):
how they've conducted this. So it's literally they're gonna be
studying this in I don't know what what parts of
an NBA st you know, whether it's marketing or whether
I don't know, it's just product presentation. They're going to
be studying what Shoulder and Deon Sanders did to themselves
though the last few months. They're gonna be studying this
(27:45):
for decades in business schools.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Speaking of sabotaizing yourself.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
For you one minute, by the way, you'll go.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Quinn Ewers gave up eight million dollars, reportedly in NIL
for a four year, four point three million dollar non
guaranteed contract.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Is this gonna be?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Is this gonna be something that's a cautionary tale that
more quarterbacks that you can say, forget the draft, man,
I'll go when I'm eligible to go.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
He he should have he should have come back. He
should have transferred. I don't know if there was an
ego thing going on with with Arch Manning or what
have you. I'm not gonna, you know, run away to
another school. I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the NFL.
But but he he should have pulled a cam word.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, yeah, no, agreed in hindsight, totally agreed. All right,
great stuff, man, We will talk tomorrow at three o'clock.
All right, Bud, thanks, all right, rock and roll Himer down,
all right, you bet you're milling with us. We're gonna
break textimonials, and then Jalen Milroe himself will join us,
said five o'clock tonight, right here on ninety three three
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