April 29, 2025 • 39 mins
In the first hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Hugh Millen react to yesterday’s conversation with new Seahawks quarterback Jalen Milroe, then talk to Dan Larson, North Dakota State Offensive Coordinator who coached Grey Zabel, before having Fun with Audio.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
God, did you happen to hear your boys on the
air talking to Jalen Milroe yesterday?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I did?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Okay? And what did you make a day?
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Well as a p one of this radio station, right,
and we appreciate you tuning in, by the way and
taking an interest in it. Now, okay, just theater of
the mine. Play with me here, okay, pal, what did
you make of what Jalen Milroe said yesterday? And I
want to play a clip for you in a second
where we talked about kind of my skepticism because Hugh,
I never want to be the guy that goes on
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the air and criticizes the player and then has that
player on the air and then ducks from my opinion
with the guy.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And I actually learned that from the gas man back
in the day. There was a guy who was it
was it I think it was. Who were the two dudes?
It was Timblin and spol Jeric. I think that we
got in the Jose Cruz Junior deal and gas had
I'm gonna butcher this story, Hughes, so just bear with
me for a second here. He had some kind of
critical opinion I think of Paul Spoljeric and then spol
(00:57):
Jeric actually turned out to be okay, and Mike had
Paul on the air and said, look, I doubted you.
I wanted you to know that from me, and I
was wrong. And spoll Jeric loved it. He appreciated the
fact that Mike said that to him. So I kind
of learned that from the gas man back in the day.
But I don't want to be the guy here that
goes on the air and just says, hey, I don't
think this guy can throw and then go on the
air and kiss the guy's butt and not bring up
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my opinion with him. So uh, I'm gonna play that
clip for you in just a second. But what you
make of what you heard from Jalen Milrow yesterday?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Man, Well, I think it was the sound of a
guy who started for Alabama for a couple of years
of obviously a very prominent school has been under the
the the bright lights and under criticism, certainly after last
year and how the season unraveled for the Crimson Tide.
I think I think there was a polish to uh
to his answers, and you know, I would say mostly predictable,
(01:46):
but but yeah, you you you put up a little
bit of intensity on him. I think that he could.
He can respect that you're you're pretty blunt and uh,
and I thought he handled it well.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I think he kind of kind of brisk a little bit.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
But I think for the most part, Yeah, I would
just say, kind of a guy that is experienced with
the media and dealing with those kinds of questions, right
because of how Alabama's been well, let me particularly how
they were last year.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, let me do this, let me let me play
this from yesterday.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
And then you You've always kind of been my spirit animal,
right when it comes to this job, no question about it. Right,
So you tell me if you think I was out
of line yesterday with this line of questioning and commentary
with Jalen Milroll.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Go ahead, Jackson, Jalen.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Look, man, I'll be totally honest with you because I
want our relationship to be one of honesty, all right.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I don't want to hide anything from you.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
If I got something critical to say about you, I
want you to hear it from me, all right, and
not from somebody else or some idiot on the internet.
So what I have said on the air about you
is that I need to see more of you as
a passer before I believe that you can survive in
the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
My partner over here, Dick, he loves you.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
He would have taken you in the first round for
crying out, But I need to see more of you
as a passer at this level. The the criticism that
you get from people and that observation that people make,
does that land as a fair criticism or is that
unfair in your opinion?
Speaker 6 (03:13):
Honestly, that goes for any quarterback. You always got to improve.
So I'm not necessarily you know, motivated or worried about
outside noise. I know it makes me unique. I do
know that of the quarterbacks of this past draft, I
was winning winning this quarterback in the draft. So and
it comes from all everything is going to put off.
(03:34):
I'm not really necessarily focus on your comment.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Okay, Hugh, your thoughts go ahead. Uh, Well, you got
a little defensive there. I think, yeah, like I said,
you were blunt. That's probably teetering towards the edge of
a bluntness for a college kid.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
But right.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
But but I think, look, you're talking about an issue.
It's it's central to the quarterback position. And and you
said I need to see more out of you as
a passer. Well, to me, that has a lot of
components that that we'll we'll get into here. But you know,
for him to say that he was the winning this quarterback,
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will you're at Alabama? You know, I think he had
five six losses. Like like nobody in Tuscal Loose is
going to be, you know, blaring any trumpets for his winning.
So I I think what he is is a project.
I refer to him as a lottery ticket because you know,
a lottery a lottery ticket doesn't cost much, but it
has a real obviously a very high end uh potential.
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And I think that this guy, you know, late third
round if for some reason.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I would say some reason, that's a bad way to
put it.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
If he's able to work and develop and get the
input and improve and pull something of a Lamar Jackson,
right that pairs with his incredible running ability, then you've
really got something for a late third round. I mean
Lamar Jackson was laid first round, so I think I
think the lottery picket ticket kind of applies.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, Lamar was I think the last pick in the
first round. Yeah, thirty second to Baltimore, and he won
the Heisman Trophy, and there's been there's been comparisons to him. Obviously,
there's been probably unfair and maybe inaccurate comparisons to Taysom Hill.
I think Mike McDonald's kind of already shot those down.
I mean, Taysom Hill, he was undrafted. I mean, the
guy wasn't even taken. For God's sakes, I mean, to
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Taysom Hill had Jalen Milroe's speed athleticism, he probably would
have been maybe a second round pick, if not a
third round pick, like like Jalen Milroe was. But there's Look,
they drafted eleven guys yesterday, and we're gonna break in
just a couple minutes here because we're gonna get to
Dan Larson. By the way, Hugh was the offensive coordinator
former offensive line coach for North Dakota State with Grey Zabel,
Jalen Sundendale, all those guys. He'll be on with us
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at three twenty, so stay tuned for that. But they
drafted eleven guys, and it feels to me, and I
don't know if you agree with this or not, Hugh,
but the most polarizing guy in this draft is a
third round draft pick that was the fourth player taken
that went ninety second.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Overall, that's the guy people were talking about.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Yeah, because it's the quarterback, right, and and and what's
polarizing about it is is to say, Okay, there's all
these these great things. I mean, you you want, uh,
you want height, strength, speed, intelligence, strong arm and a leader. Right,
But in each of those attributes, I can give you
examples of guy quarterbacks who have been very successful in
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the NFL without those attributes. But nobody has ever been
able to do it and not be accurate ever, and
and and I just I just will never relinquish on
that demand, you know, throw it to the right guy
at the right time accurately. That's quarterbacking. It's at its essence,
at its core, and it and and he has a
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real deficiency in these period I think that's undebated. He
probably has. It's probably the least consistently accurate quarterback that's
been drafted in you know, the first two days that
I've seen it, you know, in our twenty seven years
doing the mock draft. I mean, I think to have
a dispute about that, to me is just kind of
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a wasted time.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I Mean, scientists call use a term called brute fact.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Brute facts just allow you to just say, okay, that's
a fact, but water boiler two hundred and twelve degrees, Like,
nobody's gonna sit around and argue that because we're just
gonna you know, oh, really do we have to run
an experiment again to prove that.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
That's when it boils? No, like except the brute fact.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
It is a brute fact that this guy, I it
has the equivalence I should say, of a brute fact.
He is not accurate and he doesn't play with anticipation
right now, can he learn that? I'm not I'm not
I'm not saying he can't be. I'm not going to
put a lid on the kid. But but let's we
got to square this issue up and take it on
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head on, for he's going to have to have significant
improvement at the most important facet of being a quarterback
in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
That's my take.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
And and and and I don't really see how that
can be just I mean, you've we could sit here,
you could credibly say, hey, listen, I don't think I
don't think it's gonna happen, like like somebody say, if
I had to bet I don't. I don't think it's
gonna happen, or I or you could, you could be
on the on the feinne thing. Hey, I think it's
going to happen. That's that's a fair debate. But I
don't think it's a really sensible debate to sit around
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and say, oh, well, his accuracy's fine. Yeah, I would
how he needs a defense. Come on, we got we
all get to get on that level.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I would love to see examples that we've got to
break here, Hugh. So we'll spend more time talking about this. Uh,
probably in the four o'clock hour. Examples of guys that
had problems with what you're describing in their last year
in college, then got to the NFL and got coached
up and found a way to have a career based
on those two things that they did not do in school.
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I mean, you know, look, Jalen Hurts kind of turned
it around from Alabama to Oklahoma. Uh, Tyler Huntley turned
it around his senior year at Utah. But I want
examples of guys that we're in Jalen Milroe's shoes right
now as a passer and found a way to fix
it while they were in the NFL. We'll get to
that coming up, because Dan Larston the offensive coordinator for
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North Dakota State. What are we getting in Gray's Abel
boys and girls? He coached him a long time. We'll
talk to Dan next on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
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Speaker 8 (09:32):
With the eighteenth pick in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft,
the Seattle Seahawks, like Gray zebon card North Dakota State.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
What do you do tonight?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
What do you do tomorrow before the Seahawks send you
out here?
Speaker 9 (09:46):
Rum, I'm probably gonna start diving into these bush flights, and.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I don't know man thinking to Fargo, North Dakota. I mean,
our next guests probably gonna kill me for this. But
I wonder how much there is to do besides play football,
fish hunt and drink bush lights. Well joining us right
now on the radio show. He was Great Isabel's offensive
line coach at North Dakota State. He's now the offensive
coordinator in Fargo for the Bison. Dan Larson joining us
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on the radio show. Coach, how are you welcome to Seattle.
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 10 (10:21):
I appreciate this on. You know, this isn't the first
time I've heard your voice.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
I'm a big I'm a big PA nine to noon fan.
Speaker 10 (10:27):
They listen to him out of the Twin Cities, and
so they have the opportunity to listen to you jump
on there and talk sports in Seattle sports over the
course the last you know, five ten years, however long
it's been. But yeah, I appreciate this opportunity to be on.
And there's a few more things to do. But these
guys do like playing football. They do like hunting and
fishing for the most part. And I'm sure there's some
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extracurricular things that involved some other things after when they're
done doing those things.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
That for sure.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, I know that. Well, I appreciate that, Coach, And
I mean tell us about this.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I mean, obviously, you guys at the at the university
have a great history of putting offensive lineman and not
just offensive lineman, but starting offensive lineman into the NFL.
I mean, is this becoming kind of old hat for
you guys out there? Was Thursday night when Gray went
eighteenth overall caused for celebration you think in Fargo.
Speaker 10 (11:18):
Yeah, every year it's a cost for celebration. This year
is probably a little bit different. This is the first
time because of how our springs schedule worked out and
how the draft worked out that I actually got to
be in be.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
There in person.
Speaker 10 (11:31):
You know port Al Bolson, who you know with the
Bengals now he got drafted in twenty twenty one. I
was at a high school recruiting combine, you know, staring
at kids running forty yard dashes, and he called me
when Cody moub got drafted, you know. And by the bucks,
I was sitting at a Wisconsin fish Frida on Friday
night because the next morning we had a recruiting function.
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So for this one to actually be able to do
it in person, see the emotion, see the know the
reaction between Gray and his family. Just to even hear
the room go quiet when he got on the phone
with the Seahawks organization, that was a pretty special moment.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Well, tell us what we're getting. Most sak fans have
not seen Gray. If they watched any North Dakota State games,
they probably weren't really focusing on the offensive line. So
just kind of painting a picture of what Seattle's getting
with this young man.
Speaker 10 (12:26):
Yeah, well, he's been a day one competitor for us.
We had to you know, with the COVID situation that
happened in twenty twenty, we actually had to play our
We played a spring season in twenty twenty one and
Gray that was the second semester in college and he
played right guard for US. He took practice reps at center.
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He was a competitor from day one, and you know,
as his career went on in NBSU, we just kept
putting more on his plate. And I just think you're
getting a true competitor. You know, a guy that's gonna
love football. He's gonna have a smile on his face
when he starts getting comfortable in terms of what he's
doing and how he's supposed to do it for the Seahawks.
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There's gonna be some conversations he's gonna have with the
opposing defense in between plays, and when that starts happening,
you know, he's about ready.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
To have a really good game.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I love that.
Speaker 10 (13:16):
I just yeah, there's any challenge that I threw at him,
anything that we threw at him over the course of
five years. He'd ever backed down from at one time,
and he always wanted to be the best. You know,
you're you're getting. You're getting a guy that puts football
really high on the priority list, and he's gonna want
to uh, he's gonna want to make sure that, you know,
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he does all the right things to help, you know,
to help.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Be worthy of the of the pick.
Speaker 10 (13:42):
In in the in the Seattle Seahawks organization putting their
trust in him.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Well, Dan Larson again is the offensive coordinator, used to
be the offensive line coach at North Dakota State. And
I want to go back to what you talked about
there about him kind of talking a little smack to
the defensive line in the front seven between plays because
normally in the NFL, if they're there's a lot of talking, it's.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
On the edges with corners and wide receivers and things
like that.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Was that the way he was when he first showed
up to play for you or did that kind of
develop over the years?
Speaker 10 (14:08):
You think, No, I mean, you know, he he does
a good job like he understands you know, like maybe
when I was a rookie or when I was a
freshman in college, like you know, I gotta be a
little bit careful about who I talked to. But I
think it was one of those things like as he
got older, like you know, he started playing with a
little bit more confidence, and he kind of understood that
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he was that guy.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Out on the football field.
Speaker 10 (14:31):
He wasn't afraid to let players know, like this is
going to be a long day. And you know, I
think he likes, you know, run blocking. I think that's
kind of our bread and butter here at NDSU. But
that run blocking stuff would feed into a little bit
of his pass protection. All of a sudden, every.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Down became a long down for some defense alignment.
Speaker 10 (14:49):
And yeah, if I had to ring him in a
little bit and pull him in, you know, to get
him a little bit focused at times, because there was
a little bit too much there. I just knew he
was playing on the right side of the edge for
the Bison that day and we were gonna have a
lot of opportunities to be successful on offense.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Well.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Mike McDonald and John Schneider both said the attribute was
foremost in their mind is how Gray finishes. Obviously, that's
a symptom of a mindset. So talk about in your
offensive line meeting room. Uh, how did you coach that?
How was that just innate in him? Did you see
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a sense of that he wanted to have that that
mindset permeate the rest of the offensive line. Just talk
about that, that finishing component that was so important to
see ours.
Speaker 10 (15:39):
Yeah, you know, we've got to you know, someone we
established probably three years ago and it's it's probably been
one of those things that is it's been said for
a long time at NDSU, but never been put on
paper before. And so we just you know, we brainstormed
with some old offensive linemen that.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Have played there.
Speaker 10 (15:55):
You know what was important and what we call it
the toe of the Rams, Rams being kind of affectionate
nickname that the people of NYFU fans have given to
the to the old line. And you know, the the
last thing that we have on there is the last
two things that we have on there. One is finish
and then the second to last deal is physicality overrides
fundamentals and techniques. So if you know there's going to
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be played where you know, our first step isn't going
to be great, or we might get our hands into
a bad spot. But if we just keep playing and
we keep trying to finish plays. But we can do
it and be the most ultimate physical player and physical
group on the line of scrimmage, then we got a shot.
And you know, any of the top guys that we've
had come through a program, if there's one thing you
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always talked about them, that was always you talked about
how they finished blocks. They wanted to impose their will
on the other defense. And you know sometimes that's a
demoralizing deal when you do it in the first quarter,
but you're continuing to have that same kind of drive
and finish level in the fourth quarter. Right, And Gray
wanted to embody that the way that he saw the
rest of the top guys that have come through there
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that have had a chance now to play in the NFL,
and I want to do it better than those guys
ever did it. So yeah, his finish is top notch
for sure. Well.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Dan Larson again offensive coordinator North Dakota State, was grays
Abels offensive line coach for the last four years. And
and Fargo and look, I know, you know, Dan, Hugh
and I were talking, I think it was on Thursday
or Friday about watching some of the tape you can
go on YouTube and see all the offensive plays of
your team versus Colorado back in Week one. So a
little bit of a gauge against a you know, FBS team,
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But I think you kind of sarcastically said the defensive
lineman he was going up against looked like wide receivers
right at that level, they're just there. They're smaller guys
obviously than what you'll see in FBS and what you'll
see in the NFL. So if somebody were to stop
you Dan on the street and say, look, the guy
looks the part, but I'm really concerned about the competition
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he went up against and the jumping competition he'll see
in the NFL, what would you say to them?
Speaker 10 (17:56):
Yeah, I think there's a reason why our guys chop
at the bit when they get a chance to play
either FBS teams, they get a chance to participate in
you know, these postseason games, Senior Ball, East West Shrine Game,
whatever it is. I think it's just an opportunity for
them to knock it out the park. We are not
in control of the weight room and nutrition and any
of those types of.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Things in terms of what the other teams can put
out against.
Speaker 10 (18:19):
Us at the SCS. All we can go do is
be the most dominant players and try to be the
most dominant offensive line that we can be. And then
when we get a shot and they want to put
us up against somebody that their logo says FBS, the
competitive spirit, you know, belief in your skills and you
and your fundamentals and your technique, and then just go
play as hard as ten and great things are going
to happen for you. And I think there's a reason
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why our guys, you know, come out of a lot
of those weeks. I don't know if it matters the position,
to be honest with you, I think there's a reason
why our guys come out of those You know, they're
all stars, but they're all competing, and you know, I
like the Senior Bowl week. I know everyone puts a
lot of stock in the one on ones, but you
know they want a great to play center and guard
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and a right tackle jammed his finger and had to
jump out of the play and the other guy that
jump in there fast enough and Gray ran in there
and played right tackle. So you know, like bring out
the competition.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
You know, it'll it's all learning.
Speaker 10 (19:13):
Terve Cody Monk went through and he went from tackle
to guard for the Bucks.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
It's all learning curve.
Speaker 10 (19:18):
But our guys, you know, they won't be afraid of that,
and they won't turn it down and bring on the competition.
We're going to give you everything that we got.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
We're talking with Dan Larson, the position coach of New
Sawk offensive guard Gray's Abel and and we're getting a
window into the mindset and it's fascinating along those lines
of potential concerns. So all the tape I watched him
last year, if I've got the snaps right coaches nine
hundred and sixty one snaps at left tackle, and I
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think for his career eighty four percent of his snaps
where tackle, fifteen percent of guard, and you got maybe
a dozen or so at center. If he were to
come into your room, close the door behind him, and
sit down and say, Okay, now I'm going to be
the left guard of the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I got it.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
I'm I'm jumping up in maybe two levels of competition.
What do you think I'll do it? You tell me
whatever it is, I'll do it, But tell me what
I most need to work on to be able to
meet that challenge.
Speaker 10 (20:17):
What would you say to him, Yeah, it's gonna happen
in the past pro room. It's it's gonna be in
the past pro world. It's gonna be everything's gonna happen
a little bit faster. Those three techniques or shades are
on you a lot faster than what they are when
you're on the edge. But we're gonna to probably play
with our hands a little bit faster. We're gonna have
to get our cleats in the ground a little bit
quicker in pass pro. I was really impressed with the
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work that he did from January until he got to
the senior ball. I mean, he didn't get caught off
guard a little bit of power every once in a while,
But that will come as he continues to grow into
that spot.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
But he'll be able to handle the run game. I
don't have any doubt in my mind about that.
Speaker 10 (20:54):
He got athleticism and he's got some physical, you know,
intensity to him. But it'll be that it'll be those
first pass pro reps and how fast those three techniques
or those two eyes get on you, and then the
size and the strength of them. But once he starts
to just get a feel for play, a little bit faster,
trying to play a little bit longer inside. He's got
all the other natural traits I think from a footwork standpoint,
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lower body base, and and playing with great bass and
great fundamentals from the waist down that I I just
I have a lot of faith and a lot of
belief in this kid.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Well, that's a fantastic assessment. I was with the Broncos
when Alex Gibbs, as you know, the godfather of the
outside zone, was there. Just watch the installation and and
so there's been a lot of talk in Seattle Clint Kubiak,
the new offensive coordinator coach comes from, you know, the
the Shannan Slash Kubiak lineage, and there's a lot more
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focus gonna be on that outside zone for our listeners
that that want to hear, you know, how he is
on the outside zone, the the challenges, What what's important
to you as a coach to kind of talk about
that and how he's going to fit in with that
new change to more outside zone.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
Yeah, you know, it's I love the fact that you
talk to that you that your sports fan base, you know,
talks about x as and O's in plays. You know,
it's it's we actually started installing it and running in
a little bit more here at North Dakota State in
the last year, so I think he's got probably a
little bit better of a feel for it that he
would have maybe say two years ago. As soon as
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you embraced the outside or the wide zone play as
a physical play and not just you know, we're trying
to run around people, but are run through, you know,
aiming points and be physical at the point of attack.
And I think it's it can be a really physical
play and guys.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Start believing it. In a little bit more, Grant's gonna do.
Speaker 10 (22:42):
I think he's gonna do an unbelievable job with his
first two steps and get into the right position, and
then it's just a matter of how coach wants to
you know, what's the fundamentals and technique that he wants
to work with the upper body. He'll be good on it.
He'll be good on that part of it. But I
think that bleoticism from an inside standpoint is gonna mess
really well. You know, it's gonna it's gonna allow those guys,
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I think, to open up and run a little bit,
and it's gonna make the defensive.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Line have to play you know, gaps, and.
Speaker 10 (23:08):
You're gonna have some negative plays every once in a
while with it. But man, when I don't know if
there's anything prettier in football than when you get two
guys going on a double team and that's just a
gradual drive, you know, vertical off the ball. There's a
reason why the forty nine ers are the teams that
you know, believe in that play. There's a reason why
they have a lot of success running it, you know.
I I think it's gonna be a really good fit
for him from a schematic standpoint to start off his
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NFL career.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Well, Dan, before you go, we do talk a lot
of x's and o's, especially when Hugh is with us
on the radio show. So h just offering if you
ever get stuck with anything in your film room out there,
just give us a call, all right, and we'll we'll
fill you in. I try to steer you the right way.
But I mean we we started this thing off again.
Dan Larson, offensive coordinator for North Dakota State. Uh talking
(23:50):
about great pounding bush lights. I mean, you gotta you
gotta give us something on this guy, man, because he
seems like a fun loving guy, likes to, you know,
get after it, have some fun when he's off the field.
He's got that mustache that makes him look like he's
in the Witness Protection program for crying out loud. So
give me a story, Give us a story or two
that we can drop on this kid when we finally
meet him and say hello, Well he is.
Speaker 10 (24:13):
All you gotta know is that as hard as tough
as he seems, this.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Guy does have a little bit of a soft side
to him.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Oh so, his.
Speaker 10 (24:22):
Freshman year, he's not doing too well academically. It's about
the only thing he wasn't doing great at academically. And
so I called him out in front of the entire
o line and said, listen, I'll get mom in here
and she can address the room about why her son
can't play practice football this week if we can't get
these academics in order. And if you could have gone
a look down his face, it went from a pretty
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it went you know, pretty ashy white, and the graves
popped up all of a sudden. He's got you know,
he's good. He's never never had to worry about academics
again after that. But it's he's still a guy that
mom and dad can put a little bit of a
thumb on the back of him and he'll straighten right
back up again. So U the mustache deal, I've had
to embrace it. Two years ago. It was the worst
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look of all time and lass throwing in a little bit.
So we we we can embrace that part of it
just a little bit. But I think, you know, the
bushlight comments, I think it's gonna be why you your
fan base. I think it's why the locker room is
gonna embrace it. He takes football very seriously, but he's
not gonna he's not gonna not allow himself to enjoy
(25:25):
it and have fun doing it as well too.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I loved you know it was.
Speaker 10 (25:29):
Yeah, it was one thing he and I talked about. Man,
When this is your profession and you can enjoy doing
your profession as much as you're gonna enjoy playing professional
football through the highs and the loads, you know you're
doing something that you love. And and he definitely loves
football and the Seahawks and the Seahawks fan base.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Will we'll see that for sure.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Well, we're looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Man, Hey, listen, great stuff and I'll pass along your
message to Paul.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Allen uh In in Minneapolis.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I was convinced that nobody ever heard his shows, So
I guess I'm wrong, by the way.
Speaker 10 (25:57):
So good stuff, Dan, get out, I get out of
the heart on the big fan.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I love it. You're the man. Great stuff. Thanks for
doing this and we'll talk down the road. Coach.
Speaker 10 (26:06):
I appreciate you, guys, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Okay, thank you, Dan Larson. What'd you make of that
offensive coordinator? North Dakota State got about a minute and
a half here reaction to what you heard from Gray's
Abels position.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Coach.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Yeah, I think there's a tenor of a toughness, and
you know, there's FCS and then there's NDSU. Like they've
just put too many linemen in the pros that it's
it's it's like they're in between or something, you know.
I mean, hell, I'm sure they put a lot more
linemen than dozens of FBS guys though, So they have
they have got something. And here's the important thing, Dave
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the way, and it really kind of makes sense. They
are picking from guys that in high school all you know,
they're the last guy to have hair on their ankles.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You know, they're they're six.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Four, maybe two thirty five, two forty, but not everybody
goes through maturity at the same age, right, And so
they're getting guys they have an ability to project as to, Okay,
this guy we can we can get this guy to
three hundred, we can get this guy to three ten,
because he hasn't even shaved yet. And so I think
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that they actually there their brand of recruiting. Obviously it
works the numbers so far so itself. And then and
then you know, there's a toughness. You can just feel
that that there's a certain standard of toughness, which is
what the sex were drawn to. That's something that Steve Hutchinson,
you know, that kind of dominate your will type. You know,
(27:33):
Hutchinson had more of that than Walter Jones, right, And
so I think they're trying to get that, uh and intelligence.
You know, I think I think he candidly said, hey,
there's some past protection things that he's going to have
to you know, from a technique standpoint, as we share,
everything comes faster on the inside. Guys are stronger and
and there's more to process mentally when you're at guard
(27:55):
than tackle. But uh so, uh yeah, I don't know,
I think they're just getting a guy that's a lot
like Huts.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Well, I mean, look, you're hoping for a guy that's
gonna have a ten year career in Seattle, and maybe
a guy that if he ever does become a free agent,
maybe we just franchise him and just say the hell
with it and not do the same stupid thing we
did with the guy back in the day. I'm not
even sure if transition tax TOI leaven are are available
in the NFL, we'll get a break. That was Dan Larson,
the offensive coordinator for North Dakota State. John Wilder is
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gonna join us at five. Brian Schmetzer five point forty
five here from Jalen Molroe as well in the six
pm hour, but coming up next a segment that Hugh
Millen used to hate and now we cannot do without
Fun with Audio Baby next on ninety three to three KJRFM, It's.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Now time for Someday and Digg's Fun with Audio.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Jimmy g pawn Star, Jimmy mister Garoppolo. Now let's have
some fun with audio all.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Here we go live from Jimmy's on First Baby across
the street from T Mobile.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Park, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
You know?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
It's funny people come to the bar Jackson and Hugh
all the time and they have no idea. There's a
live radio show going on here, and I just wonder,
what is that idiot doing with a pair of headphones
talking to himself like a moron in the corner of
the bar. I just feel like there should be somebody here,
like with an explanation, you know, passing out.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
This is a live radio show.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
On air.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
That's a hell of a nightdea. Hey, how about that?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
We never thought of that before. There is there is
an on air light. It's outside the bar, by the way.
It's hanging in the window behind me, which does the
people inside the bar no good?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Exactly all right? I love fun with audio slash. Hey
did you hear that? Here we go? Hear Hey you
did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Dick?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
We start?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
By the way?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
In the NFL draft, after Shador Sanders did not get
drafted Thursday, your President Donald Trump sent out a social
media post criticizing teams for passing on him in the
first round. Well yesterday, at the White House Press briefing
by Press Secretary Caroline Lovitt. A question came up you
regarding the President's post about Shador Sanders.
Speaker 10 (30:01):
Does the President think he deserves credit for Sanders getting picked?
Speaker 5 (30:04):
And does he think going to the Browns is better
than being undrafted?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Hey, all I will say is the President put out
a statement and a few rounds later he was drafted.
Speaker 10 (30:15):
So I think the facts speak for themselves on that one.
Speaker 11 (30:18):
Pierre, a few rounds later, question, is he better off
going undrafted or playing for the Browns? I mean, you
tell me your daw would you rather have had Shador
go undrafted or go in the fifth round of Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Come on, was the father of two quarterbacks? What would you?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I'm just saying, you know, he's gonna get a little
bit more.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Look, obviously, had he been a free agent, then he
could have picked the best situation, but then they got
even less in you. At least there's a little a
shred of investment with you with a fifth and you know,
Cleveland would be a pretty good situation if you're a
free agent.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Question.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
I mean, in theory, if he's as good as he
thinks he is, then he should be able to build
beat out Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett and a forty
year old Joe Flackel, right, like there's a there's a
path to a field, to the field, the Cleveland field
if he's good. So as for I mean Trump, I'll
(31:21):
just say this with regards it. I don't think any
president Democrat or Republicans then should be uh, should be
interjecting about the draft. And and he had a little
logic in there when he said, I would say a
little error logic, Well, he has the genes, therefore he's
going to be a great really, so by that standard,
(31:43):
Nick Montana, the Husky quarterback, right like he should have
been given, uh, you know, in an entire season to start, Like,
I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
How come?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
How come Craig Griffy, Griffy's brother didn't turn into a superstar.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
He's at the Jeans.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Where's what's trade doing these days?
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
All right?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Hey, hre did you happen to hear that? What's that?
Dick Let's stay in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
After Jackson Dart was drafted by the Giants in the
first round last week, ESPN played an interview with Dart
where their new quarterback talked about his connection and love
for Star Wars.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
I've always been a huge Star Wars fan Ben since
I was a little kid. The eyebock is pretty simple,
just goes straight down the right eye on my inspiration
behind his Anakin Skywalker has his scar going down his face,
and you know that's kind of the tribute to I
love the Star Wars. He honestly didn't end well for him,
but at the same time, it's just a lot of
fun to watch his character evolved. My favorite Star Wars
movie is Revenge of the Sith or Empire strikes By.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
My college coach Lane Kiffer is best.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
Relatable to Yoda lay Star Wars Kirkers just his knowledge
of the game has a lot of fun unique in
his own right.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
All Right, Well, Jackson and I are in lockstep on
this one.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Clearly he's an idiot if he puts Revenge of the
Sith on the same level as Empire strike Back.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I mean that's just you know, his brain power, right.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I just questioned whether or not the guy can survive
mentally you in the National Football League. It's just a
guy that was dropped on his head a couple of times,
maybe when he was in college.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
But I gotta tell you, I am missing a gene.
I have never I've never been drawn to Star Wars whatsoever. Well,
you know why, I'm a stupid idea.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah whatever, you.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Know what, You're better off. You're better off.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Missing a freaking gene.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I am better off just blaming ignorance that having that
stupid ass take that Jackson darts Jackson with me on that.
Speaker 11 (33:34):
I just don't understand how you can think that episode
six is in the same rel or I guess what
three is the same him?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And and the hell are these guys eat the same baga food?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
What the hell?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
That's like putting Rocky and Kentucky Fried movie on the
same level.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I will tell you, Hugh.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I will say this.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
There's a lot of people that have been critical of
the Jackson dart selection. He had twenty nine touchdowns last
year for ole Miss. Five of them came against Furman,
six of them came against Arkansas, And when you look
at some of the better opponent four came against Duke,
(34:20):
You look at some of the better opponents he played,
and the numbers just aren't there.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Now, Look, it's not all about numbers.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
We get that, like Josh Allen's numbers at Wyoming weren't
eye popping when he was a senior in Wyoming and
he became a star.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
So it's not just about stats.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
If it was about stats, then Shador would have been
a first round draft pick.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
But what do you make of the Giants? This guy?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
I was at the most controversial game that he played
at Florida Games Florida. Yeah, I mean, right, damn near
fifty yard line seats, right, like great seats. And I
remember thinking he has a first round type of arm.
I mean, he's a big dude, big dude sick and
(35:01):
he had a complete meltdown in the last three minutes.
He just was giving it up like Scooby snacks. But
he had several great throws.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
In that game.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
I you know, he led the nation in yards per attempt,
you know, ten point three. He can push the ball
down the field. There's there's NFL traits within within this guy,
for sure. I mean obviously, you know, just a poor
man's Josh Allen would suffice for anybody.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
So when you were sitting there with Michelle watching that
game with fifty yard line seats, did you kind of
elbow your wife and say, hey, honey, that's the idiot
that thinks Revenge of the Ship might be as good
as we got. Time for one more Jackson? All right,
which one do you want to do?
Speaker 7 (35:41):
All right?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Hey, Hugh, did you happen to hear that? What's that?
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Dick?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yesterday?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Hugh On WGR Radio five point fifty am in Buffalo,
Bill's general manager Brandon Bean joined the morning show and
criticized the radio host for being critical of their current
RECES group.
Speaker 12 (36:01):
I was just listening to the last few minutes of
your show before I came home, waiting on in here.
I was like twenty eighteen all over.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
With you guys.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
We we're very how so well?
Speaker 12 (36:10):
You guys were bitching in twenty eighteen about Josh Allen.
You guys wanted Josh Rosen, and now you guys are
bitching that we don't have a receiver.
Speaker 13 (36:17):
I don't get it, Like we just go hold on,
let me talk. We just scored thirty points in a
row for eight straight games a year ago. I get
you guys asking why we didn't have receivers, But I
don't understand it.
Speaker 12 (36:30):
Now.
Speaker 13 (36:30):
You just saw us lead the league in points.
Speaker 12 (36:34):
How is this group not better than last year's group, Like,
I don't I get it. You got to have a show,
and you got to you got to have something to
bitch about.
Speaker 13 (36:42):
But bitching about wide receiver is one of the dumbest
arguments I've heard.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Well, that's interesting because all we've done the last couple
of years. You was talk about how they got no
receivers for Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I mean they added Josh Palmer over the offseason from
the Chargers. He's going to be there with Shakur and
Keyon Coleman. But they don't have a true number one
difference maker at wide receiver in Buffalo, do they. I mean,
you tell me, is that guy giving Josh out enough
weapons on the outside in Buffalo?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
No?
Speaker 5 (37:12):
I think that they need an outside receiver and Brson,
I think it's just a testament to how that they're
good in the slot. But you know they had Scanling
Valdez Scanling, and and they cut in mid season. I
think that they've been trying to replace. I think that's
a fair, fair thought and would I would just say
more than anything, I had not heard that that audio
(37:34):
until you just played it. Yeah, I think Brandon Bean
he's got to go to the school of of of
GM being presidential and come on, dude, like you got
to be above the fray on that that stuff can't
get under your skin, and if it does, if it does,
bother you like that. You got to have a lot
(37:54):
more adult response than that.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
That was.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
That just sounded like petulance to me. I'm just surprised.
I mean, if you're a GM of one of the
top teams in the NFL, yeah, I'm very surprised that
you would be that swelled up on a local radius. Well,
what would somebody's take on Josh Allen versus Josh Rosen,
How many every years ago have to do with anything
regarding the current state of the Buffalo Bill's wide receiver room.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I mean, people have takes, they make mistakes, they get
things wrong, whatever, bean, Yeah, I mean everybody. I thought
it was kind of a public knowledge thing that everybody
knows that Josh Allen needs some help on that football team.
And oh, you led the league in scoring, fine, but
you still have fallen short of your ultimate goal for
many many years now of getting back to a super
Bowl for the first time since the early nineties.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Well, I think that that invokes two questions. We got
two different issues here. Now, hold that thought. Hold that thought.
All right, we're got to a break. We'll come back
and talk about that. Because that was the first time
you heard the audio. I want to get your thoughts
on that.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Also, Chris Carter, by the way, spoke on a podcast
about what he feels happened to Shador Sanders over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
I want to get to that as well.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Coming up, you win for Dick right here on ninety
three three kJ RFM Life from Jimmy
God, did you happen to hear your boys on the
air talking to Jalen Milroe yesterday?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I did?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Okay? And what did you make a day?
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Well as a p one of this radio station, right,
and we appreciate you tuning in, by the way and
taking an interest in it. Now, okay, just theater of
the mine. Play with me here, okay, pal, what did
you make of what Jalen Milroe said yesterday? And I
want to play a clip for you in a second
where we talked about kind of my skepticism because Hugh,
I never want to be the guy that goes on
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the air and criticizes the player and then has that
player on the air and then ducks from my opinion
with the guy.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And I actually learned that from the gas man back
in the day. There was a guy who was it
was it I think it was. Who were the two dudes?
It was Timblin and spol Jeric. I think that we
got in the Jose Cruz Junior deal and gas had
I'm gonna butcher this story, Hughes, so just bear with
me for a second here. He had some kind of
critical opinion I think of Paul Spoljeric and then spol
(00:57):
Jeric actually turned out to be okay, and Mike had
Paul on the air and said, look, I doubted you.
I wanted you to know that from me, and I
was wrong. And spoll Jeric loved it. He appreciated the
fact that Mike said that to him. So I kind
of learned that from the gas man back in the day.
But I don't want to be the guy here that
goes on the air and just says, hey, I don't
think this guy can throw and then go on the
air and kiss the guy's butt and not bring up
(01:18):
my opinion with him. So uh, I'm gonna play that
clip for you in just a second. But what you
make of what you heard from Jalen Milrow yesterday?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Man, Well, I think it was the sound of a
guy who started for Alabama for a couple of years
of obviously a very prominent school has been under the
the the bright lights and under criticism, certainly after last
year and how the season unraveled for the Crimson Tide.
I think I think there was a polish to uh
to his answers, and you know, I would say mostly predictable,
(01:46):
but but yeah, you you you put up a little
bit of intensity on him. I think that he could.
He can respect that you're you're pretty blunt and uh,
and I thought he handled it well.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I think he kind of kind of brisk a little bit.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
But I think for the most part, Yeah, I would
just say, kind of a guy that is experienced with
the media and dealing with those kinds of questions, right
because of how Alabama's been well, let me particularly how
they were last year.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, let me do this, let me let me play
this from yesterday.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
And then you You've always kind of been my spirit animal,
right when it comes to this job, no question about it. Right,
So you tell me if you think I was out
of line yesterday with this line of questioning and commentary
with Jalen Milroll.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Go ahead, Jackson, Jalen.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Look, man, I'll be totally honest with you because I
want our relationship to be one of honesty, all right.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I don't want to hide anything from you.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
If I got something critical to say about you, I
want you to hear it from me, all right, and
not from somebody else or some idiot on the internet.
So what I have said on the air about you
is that I need to see more of you as
a passer before I believe that you can survive in
the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
My partner over here, Dick, he loves you.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
He would have taken you in the first round for
crying out, But I need to see more of you
as a passer at this level. The the criticism that
you get from people and that observation that people make,
does that land as a fair criticism or is that
unfair in your opinion?
Speaker 6 (03:13):
Honestly, that goes for any quarterback. You always got to improve.
So I'm not necessarily you know, motivated or worried about
outside noise. I know it makes me unique. I do
know that of the quarterbacks of this past draft, I
was winning winning this quarterback in the draft. So and
it comes from all everything is going to put off.
(03:34):
I'm not really necessarily focus on your comment.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Okay, Hugh, your thoughts go ahead. Uh, Well, you got
a little defensive there. I think, yeah, like I said,
you were blunt. That's probably teetering towards the edge of
a bluntness for a college kid.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
But right.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
But but I think, look, you're talking about an issue.
It's it's central to the quarterback position. And and you
said I need to see more out of you as
a passer. Well, to me, that has a lot of
components that that we'll we'll get into here. But you know,
for him to say that he was the winning this quarterback,
(04:12):
will you're at Alabama? You know, I think he had
five six losses. Like like nobody in Tuscal Loose is
going to be, you know, blaring any trumpets for his winning.
So I I think what he is is a project.
I refer to him as a lottery ticket because you know,
a lottery a lottery ticket doesn't cost much, but it
has a real obviously a very high end uh potential.
(04:35):
And I think that this guy, you know, late third
round if for some reason.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I would say some reason, that's a bad way to
put it.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
If he's able to work and develop and get the
input and improve and pull something of a Lamar Jackson,
right that pairs with his incredible running ability, then you've
really got something for a late third round. I mean
Lamar Jackson was laid first round, so I think I
think the lottery picket ticket kind of applies.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, Lamar was I think the last pick in the
first round. Yeah, thirty second to Baltimore, and he won
the Heisman Trophy, and there's been there's been comparisons to him. Obviously,
there's been probably unfair and maybe inaccurate comparisons to Taysom Hill.
I think Mike McDonald's kind of already shot those down.
I mean, Taysom Hill, he was undrafted. I mean, the
guy wasn't even taken. For God's sakes, I mean, to
(05:27):
Taysom Hill had Jalen Milroe's speed athleticism, he probably would
have been maybe a second round pick, if not a
third round pick, like like Jalen Milroe was. But there's Look,
they drafted eleven guys yesterday, and we're gonna break in
just a couple minutes here because we're gonna get to
Dan Larson. By the way, Hugh was the offensive coordinator
former offensive line coach for North Dakota State with Grey Zabel,
Jalen Sundendale, all those guys. He'll be on with us
(05:49):
at three twenty, so stay tuned for that. But they
drafted eleven guys, and it feels to me, and I
don't know if you agree with this or not, Hugh,
but the most polarizing guy in this draft is a
third round draft pick that was the fourth player taken
that went ninety second.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Overall, that's the guy people were talking about.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Yeah, because it's the quarterback, right, and and and what's
polarizing about it is is to say, Okay, there's all
these these great things. I mean, you you want, uh,
you want height, strength, speed, intelligence, strong arm and a leader. Right,
But in each of those attributes, I can give you
examples of guy quarterbacks who have been very successful in
(06:27):
the NFL without those attributes. But nobody has ever been
able to do it and not be accurate ever, and
and and I just I just will never relinquish on
that demand, you know, throw it to the right guy
at the right time accurately. That's quarterbacking. It's at its essence,
at its core, and it and and he has a
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real deficiency in these period I think that's undebated. He
probably has. It's probably the least consistently accurate quarterback that's
been drafted in you know, the first two days that
I've seen it, you know, in our twenty seven years
doing the mock draft. I mean, I think to have
a dispute about that, to me is just kind of
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a wasted time.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I Mean, scientists call use a term called brute fact.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Brute facts just allow you to just say, okay, that's
a fact, but water boiler two hundred and twelve degrees, Like,
nobody's gonna sit around and argue that because we're just
gonna you know, oh, really do we have to run
an experiment again to prove that.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
That's when it boils? No, like except the brute fact.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
It is a brute fact that this guy, I it
has the equivalence I should say, of a brute fact.
He is not accurate and he doesn't play with anticipation
right now, can he learn that? I'm not I'm not
I'm not saying he can't be. I'm not going to
put a lid on the kid. But but let's we
got to square this issue up and take it on
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head on, for he's going to have to have significant
improvement at the most important facet of being a quarterback
in the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
That's my take.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
And and and and I don't really see how that
can be just I mean, you've we could sit here,
you could credibly say, hey, listen, I don't think I
don't think it's gonna happen, like like somebody say, if
I had to bet I don't. I don't think it's
gonna happen, or I or you could, you could be
on the on the feinne thing. Hey, I think it's
going to happen. That's that's a fair debate. But I
don't think it's a really sensible debate to sit around
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and say, oh, well, his accuracy's fine. Yeah, I would
how he needs a defense. Come on, we got we
all get to get on that level.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I would love to see examples that we've got to
break here, Hugh. So we'll spend more time talking about this. Uh,
probably in the four o'clock hour. Examples of guys that
had problems with what you're describing in their last year
in college, then got to the NFL and got coached
up and found a way to have a career based
on those two things that they did not do in school.
(08:49):
I mean, you know, look, Jalen Hurts kind of turned
it around from Alabama to Oklahoma. Uh, Tyler Huntley turned
it around his senior year at Utah. But I want
examples of guys that we're in Jalen Milroe's shoes right
now as a passer and found a way to fix
it while they were in the NFL. We'll get to
that coming up, because Dan Larston the offensive coordinator for
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North Dakota State. What are we getting in Gray's Abel
boys and girls? He coached him a long time. We'll
talk to Dan next on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
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Speaker 8 (09:32):
With the eighteenth pick in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft,
the Seattle Seahawks, like Gray zebon card North Dakota State.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
What do you do tonight?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
What do you do tomorrow before the Seahawks send you
out here?
Speaker 9 (09:46):
Rum, I'm probably gonna start diving into these bush flights, and.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I don't know man thinking to Fargo, North Dakota. I mean,
our next guests probably gonna kill me for this. But
I wonder how much there is to do besides play football,
fish hunt and drink bush lights. Well joining us right
now on the radio show. He was Great Isabel's offensive
line coach at North Dakota State. He's now the offensive
coordinator in Fargo for the Bison. Dan Larson joining us
(10:15):
on the radio show. Coach, how are you welcome to Seattle.
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 10 (10:21):
I appreciate this on. You know, this isn't the first
time I've heard your voice.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
I'm a big I'm a big PA nine to noon fan.
Speaker 10 (10:27):
They listen to him out of the Twin Cities, and
so they have the opportunity to listen to you jump
on there and talk sports in Seattle sports over the
course the last you know, five ten years, however long
it's been. But yeah, I appreciate this opportunity to be on.
And there's a few more things to do. But these
guys do like playing football. They do like hunting and
fishing for the most part. And I'm sure there's some
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extracurricular things that involved some other things after when they're
done doing those things.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
That for sure.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, I know that. Well, I appreciate that, Coach, And
I mean tell us about this.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I mean, obviously, you guys at the at the university
have a great history of putting offensive lineman and not
just offensive lineman, but starting offensive lineman into the NFL.
I mean, is this becoming kind of old hat for
you guys out there? Was Thursday night when Gray went
eighteenth overall caused for celebration you think in Fargo.
Speaker 10 (11:18):
Yeah, every year it's a cost for celebration. This year
is probably a little bit different. This is the first
time because of how our springs schedule worked out and
how the draft worked out that I actually got to
be in be.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
There in person.
Speaker 10 (11:31):
You know port Al Bolson, who you know with the
Bengals now he got drafted in twenty twenty one. I
was at a high school recruiting combine, you know, staring
at kids running forty yard dashes, and he called me
when Cody moub got drafted, you know. And by the bucks,
I was sitting at a Wisconsin fish Frida on Friday
night because the next morning we had a recruiting function.
(11:54):
So for this one to actually be able to do
it in person, see the emotion, see the know the
reaction between Gray and his family. Just to even hear
the room go quiet when he got on the phone
with the Seahawks organization, that was a pretty special moment.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Well, tell us what we're getting. Most sak fans have
not seen Gray. If they watched any North Dakota State games,
they probably weren't really focusing on the offensive line. So
just kind of painting a picture of what Seattle's getting
with this young man.
Speaker 10 (12:26):
Yeah, well, he's been a day one competitor for us.
We had to you know, with the COVID situation that
happened in twenty twenty, we actually had to play our
We played a spring season in twenty twenty one and
Gray that was the second semester in college and he
played right guard for US. He took practice reps at center.
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He was a competitor from day one, and you know,
as his career went on in NBSU, we just kept
putting more on his plate. And I just think you're
getting a true competitor. You know, a guy that's gonna
love football. He's gonna have a smile on his face
when he starts getting comfortable in terms of what he's
doing and how he's supposed to do it for the Seahawks.
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There's gonna be some conversations he's gonna have with the
opposing defense in between plays, and when that starts happening,
you know, he's about ready.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
To have a really good game.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I love that.
Speaker 10 (13:16):
I just yeah, there's any challenge that I threw at him,
anything that we threw at him over the course of
five years. He'd ever backed down from at one time,
and he always wanted to be the best. You know,
you're you're getting. You're getting a guy that puts football
really high on the priority list, and he's gonna want
to uh, he's gonna want to make sure that, you know,
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he does all the right things to help, you know,
to help.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Be worthy of the of the pick.
Speaker 10 (13:42):
In in the in the Seattle Seahawks organization putting their
trust in him.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Well, Dan Larson again is the offensive coordinator, used to
be the offensive line coach at North Dakota State. And
I want to go back to what you talked about
there about him kind of talking a little smack to
the defensive line in the front seven between plays because
normally in the NFL, if they're there's a lot of talking, it's.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
On the edges with corners and wide receivers and things
like that.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Was that the way he was when he first showed
up to play for you or did that kind of
develop over the years?
Speaker 10 (14:08):
You think, No, I mean, you know, he he does
a good job like he understands you know, like maybe
when I was a rookie or when I was a
freshman in college, like you know, I gotta be a
little bit careful about who I talked to. But I
think it was one of those things like as he
got older, like you know, he started playing with a
little bit more confidence, and he kind of understood that
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he was that guy.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Out on the football field.
Speaker 10 (14:31):
He wasn't afraid to let players know, like this is
going to be a long day. And you know, I
think he likes, you know, run blocking. I think that's
kind of our bread and butter here at NDSU. But
that run blocking stuff would feed into a little bit
of his pass protection. All of a sudden, every.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Down became a long down for some defense alignment.
Speaker 10 (14:49):
And yeah, if I had to ring him in a
little bit and pull him in, you know, to get
him a little bit focused at times, because there was
a little bit too much there. I just knew he
was playing on the right side of the edge for
the Bison that day and we were gonna have a
lot of opportunities to be successful on offense.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Well.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Mike McDonald and John Schneider both said the attribute was
foremost in their mind is how Gray finishes. Obviously, that's
a symptom of a mindset. So talk about in your
offensive line meeting room. Uh, how did you coach that?
How was that just innate in him? Did you see
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a sense of that he wanted to have that that
mindset permeate the rest of the offensive line. Just talk
about that, that finishing component that was so important to
see ours.
Speaker 10 (15:39):
Yeah, you know, we've got to you know, someone we
established probably three years ago and it's it's probably been
one of those things that is it's been said for
a long time at NDSU, but never been put on
paper before. And so we just you know, we brainstormed
with some old offensive linemen that.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Have played there.
Speaker 10 (15:55):
You know what was important and what we call it
the toe of the Rams, Rams being kind of affectionate
nickname that the people of NYFU fans have given to
the to the old line. And you know, the the
last thing that we have on there is the last
two things that we have on there. One is finish
and then the second to last deal is physicality overrides
fundamentals and techniques. So if you know there's going to
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be played where you know, our first step isn't going
to be great, or we might get our hands into
a bad spot. But if we just keep playing and
we keep trying to finish plays. But we can do
it and be the most ultimate physical player and physical
group on the line of scrimmage, then we got a shot.
And you know, any of the top guys that we've
had come through a program, if there's one thing you
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always talked about them, that was always you talked about
how they finished blocks. They wanted to impose their will
on the other defense. And you know sometimes that's a
demoralizing deal when you do it in the first quarter,
but you're continuing to have that same kind of drive
and finish level in the fourth quarter. Right, And Gray
wanted to embody that the way that he saw the
rest of the top guys that have come through there
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that have had a chance now to play in the NFL,
and I want to do it better than those guys
ever did it. So yeah, his finish is top notch
for sure. Well.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Dan Larson again offensive coordinator North Dakota State, was grays
Abels offensive line coach for the last four years. And
and Fargo and look, I know, you know, Dan, Hugh
and I were talking, I think it was on Thursday
or Friday about watching some of the tape you can
go on YouTube and see all the offensive plays of
your team versus Colorado back in Week one. So a
little bit of a gauge against a you know, FBS team,
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But I think you kind of sarcastically said the defensive
lineman he was going up against looked like wide receivers
right at that level, they're just there. They're smaller guys
obviously than what you'll see in FBS and what you'll
see in the NFL. So if somebody were to stop
you Dan on the street and say, look, the guy
looks the part, but I'm really concerned about the competition
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he went up against and the jumping competition he'll see
in the NFL, what would you say to them?
Speaker 10 (17:56):
Yeah, I think there's a reason why our guys chop
at the bit when they get a chance to play
either FBS teams, they get a chance to participate in
you know, these postseason games, Senior Ball, East West Shrine Game,
whatever it is. I think it's just an opportunity for
them to knock it out the park. We are not
in control of the weight room and nutrition and any
of those types of.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Things in terms of what the other teams can put
out against.
Speaker 10 (18:19):
Us at the SCS. All we can go do is
be the most dominant players and try to be the
most dominant offensive line that we can be. And then
when we get a shot and they want to put
us up against somebody that their logo says FBS, the
competitive spirit, you know, belief in your skills and you
and your fundamentals and your technique, and then just go
play as hard as ten and great things are going
to happen for you. And I think there's a reason
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why our guys, you know, come out of a lot
of those weeks. I don't know if it matters the position,
to be honest with you, I think there's a reason
why our guys come out of those You know, they're
all stars, but they're all competing, and you know, I
like the Senior Bowl week. I know everyone puts a
lot of stock in the one on ones, but you
know they want a great to play center and guard
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and a right tackle jammed his finger and had to
jump out of the play and the other guy that
jump in there fast enough and Gray ran in there
and played right tackle. So you know, like bring out
the competition.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
You know, it'll it's all learning.
Speaker 10 (19:13):
Terve Cody Monk went through and he went from tackle
to guard for the Bucks.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
It's all learning curve.
Speaker 10 (19:18):
But our guys, you know, they won't be afraid of that,
and they won't turn it down and bring on the competition.
We're going to give you everything that we got.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
We're talking with Dan Larson, the position coach of New
Sawk offensive guard Gray's Abel and and we're getting a
window into the mindset and it's fascinating along those lines
of potential concerns. So all the tape I watched him
last year, if I've got the snaps right coaches nine
hundred and sixty one snaps at left tackle, and I
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think for his career eighty four percent of his snaps
where tackle, fifteen percent of guard, and you got maybe
a dozen or so at center. If he were to
come into your room, close the door behind him, and
sit down and say, Okay, now I'm going to be
the left guard of the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I got it.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
I'm I'm jumping up in maybe two levels of competition.
What do you think I'll do it? You tell me
whatever it is, I'll do it, But tell me what
I most need to work on to be able to
meet that challenge.
Speaker 10 (20:17):
What would you say to him, Yeah, it's gonna happen
in the past pro room. It's it's gonna be in
the past pro world. It's gonna be everything's gonna happen
a little bit faster. Those three techniques or shades are
on you a lot faster than what they are when
you're on the edge. But we're gonna to probably play
with our hands a little bit faster. We're gonna have
to get our cleats in the ground a little bit
quicker in pass pro. I was really impressed with the
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work that he did from January until he got to
the senior ball. I mean, he didn't get caught off
guard a little bit of power every once in a while,
But that will come as he continues to grow into
that spot.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
But he'll be able to handle the run game. I
don't have any doubt in my mind about that.
Speaker 10 (20:54):
He got athleticism and he's got some physical, you know,
intensity to him. But it'll be that it'll be those
first pass pro reps and how fast those three techniques
or those two eyes get on you, and then the
size and the strength of them. But once he starts
to just get a feel for play, a little bit faster,
trying to play a little bit longer inside. He's got
all the other natural traits I think from a footwork standpoint,
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lower body base, and and playing with great bass and
great fundamentals from the waist down that I I just
I have a lot of faith and a lot of
belief in this kid.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Well, that's a fantastic assessment. I was with the Broncos
when Alex Gibbs, as you know, the godfather of the
outside zone, was there. Just watch the installation and and
so there's been a lot of talk in Seattle Clint Kubiak,
the new offensive coordinator coach comes from, you know, the
the Shannan Slash Kubiak lineage, and there's a lot more
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focus gonna be on that outside zone for our listeners
that that want to hear, you know, how he is
on the outside zone, the the challenges, What what's important
to you as a coach to kind of talk about
that and how he's going to fit in with that
new change to more outside zone.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
Yeah, you know, it's I love the fact that you
talk to that you that your sports fan base, you know,
talks about x as and O's in plays. You know,
it's it's we actually started installing it and running in
a little bit more here at North Dakota State in
the last year, so I think he's got probably a
little bit better of a feel for it that he
would have maybe say two years ago. As soon as
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you embraced the outside or the wide zone play as
a physical play and not just you know, we're trying
to run around people, but are run through, you know,
aiming points and be physical at the point of attack.
And I think it's it can be a really physical
play and guys.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Start believing it. In a little bit more, Grant's gonna do.
Speaker 10 (22:42):
I think he's gonna do an unbelievable job with his
first two steps and get into the right position, and
then it's just a matter of how coach wants to
you know, what's the fundamentals and technique that he wants
to work with the upper body. He'll be good on it.
He'll be good on that part of it. But I
think that bleoticism from an inside standpoint is gonna mess
really well. You know, it's gonna it's gonna allow those guys,
(23:02):
I think, to open up and run a little bit,
and it's gonna make the defensive.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Line have to play you know, gaps, and.
Speaker 10 (23:08):
You're gonna have some negative plays every once in a
while with it. But man, when I don't know if
there's anything prettier in football than when you get two
guys going on a double team and that's just a
gradual drive, you know, vertical off the ball. There's a
reason why the forty nine ers are the teams that
you know, believe in that play. There's a reason why
they have a lot of success running it, you know.
I I think it's gonna be a really good fit
for him from a schematic standpoint to start off his
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NFL career.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Well, Dan, before you go, we do talk a lot
of x's and o's, especially when Hugh is with us
on the radio show. So h just offering if you
ever get stuck with anything in your film room out there,
just give us a call, all right, and we'll we'll
fill you in. I try to steer you the right way.
But I mean we we started this thing off again.
Dan Larson, offensive coordinator for North Dakota State. Uh talking
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about great pounding bush lights. I mean, you gotta you
gotta give us something on this guy, man, because he
seems like a fun loving guy, likes to, you know,
get after it, have some fun when he's off the field.
He's got that mustache that makes him look like he's
in the Witness Protection program for crying out loud. So
give me a story, Give us a story or two
that we can drop on this kid when we finally
meet him and say hello, Well he is.
Speaker 10 (24:13):
All you gotta know is that as hard as tough
as he seems, this.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Guy does have a little bit of a soft side
to him.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Oh so, his.
Speaker 10 (24:22):
Freshman year, he's not doing too well academically. It's about
the only thing he wasn't doing great at academically. And
so I called him out in front of the entire
o line and said, listen, I'll get mom in here
and she can address the room about why her son
can't play practice football this week if we can't get
these academics in order. And if you could have gone
a look down his face, it went from a pretty
(24:44):
it went you know, pretty ashy white, and the graves
popped up all of a sudden. He's got you know,
he's good. He's never never had to worry about academics
again after that. But it's he's still a guy that
mom and dad can put a little bit of a
thumb on the back of him and he'll straighten right
back up again. So U the mustache deal, I've had
to embrace it. Two years ago. It was the worst
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look of all time and lass throwing in a little bit.
So we we we can embrace that part of it
just a little bit. But I think, you know, the
bushlight comments, I think it's gonna be why you your
fan base. I think it's why the locker room is
gonna embrace it. He takes football very seriously, but he's
not gonna he's not gonna not allow himself to enjoy
(25:25):
it and have fun doing it as well too.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I loved you know it was.
Speaker 10 (25:29):
Yeah, it was one thing he and I talked about. Man,
When this is your profession and you can enjoy doing
your profession as much as you're gonna enjoy playing professional
football through the highs and the loads, you know you're
doing something that you love. And and he definitely loves
football and the Seahawks and the Seahawks fan base.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Will we'll see that for sure.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Well, we're looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Man, Hey, listen, great stuff and I'll pass along your
message to Paul.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Allen uh In in Minneapolis.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I was convinced that nobody ever heard his shows, So
I guess I'm wrong, by the way.
Speaker 10 (25:57):
So good stuff, Dan, get out, I get out of
the heart on the big fan.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I love it. You're the man. Great stuff. Thanks for
doing this and we'll talk down the road. Coach.
Speaker 10 (26:06):
I appreciate you, guys, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Okay, thank you, Dan Larson. What'd you make of that
offensive coordinator? North Dakota State got about a minute and
a half here reaction to what you heard from Gray's
Abels position.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Coach.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Yeah, I think there's a tenor of a toughness, and
you know, there's FCS and then there's NDSU. Like they've
just put too many linemen in the pros that it's
it's it's like they're in between or something, you know.
I mean, hell, I'm sure they put a lot more
linemen than dozens of FBS guys though, So they have
they have got something. And here's the important thing, Dave
(26:40):
the way, and it really kind of makes sense. They
are picking from guys that in high school all you know,
they're the last guy to have hair on their ankles.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You know, they're they're six.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Four, maybe two thirty five, two forty, but not everybody
goes through maturity at the same age, right, And so
they're getting guys they have an ability to project as to, Okay,
this guy we can we can get this guy to
three hundred, we can get this guy to three ten,
because he hasn't even shaved yet. And so I think
(27:11):
that they actually there their brand of recruiting. Obviously it
works the numbers so far so itself. And then and
then you know, there's a toughness. You can just feel
that that there's a certain standard of toughness, which is
what the sex were drawn to. That's something that Steve Hutchinson,
you know, that kind of dominate your will type. You know,
(27:33):
Hutchinson had more of that than Walter Jones, right, And
so I think they're trying to get that, uh and intelligence.
You know, I think I think he candidly said, hey,
there's some past protection things that he's going to have
to you know, from a technique standpoint, as we share,
everything comes faster on the inside. Guys are stronger and
and there's more to process mentally when you're at guard
(27:55):
than tackle. But uh so, uh yeah, I don't know,
I think they're just getting a guy that's a lot
like Huts.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Well, I mean, look, you're hoping for a guy that's
gonna have a ten year career in Seattle, and maybe
a guy that if he ever does become a free agent,
maybe we just franchise him and just say the hell
with it and not do the same stupid thing we
did with the guy back in the day. I'm not
even sure if transition tax TOI leaven are are available
in the NFL, we'll get a break. That was Dan Larson,
the offensive coordinator for North Dakota State. John Wilder is
(28:24):
gonna join us at five. Brian Schmetzer five point forty
five here from Jalen Molroe as well in the six
pm hour, but coming up next a segment that Hugh
Millen used to hate and now we cannot do without
Fun with Audio Baby next on ninety three to three KJRFM, It's.
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what is that idiot doing with a pair of headphones
talking to himself like a moron in the corner of
the bar. I just feel like there should be somebody here,
like with an explanation, you know, passing out.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
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Exactly all right? I love fun with audio slash. Hey
did you hear that? Here we go? Hear Hey you
did you happen to hear that?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Dick?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
We start?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
By the way?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
In the NFL draft, after Shador Sanders did not get
drafted Thursday, your President Donald Trump sent out a social
media post criticizing teams for passing on him in the
first round. Well yesterday, at the White House Press briefing
by Press Secretary Caroline Lovitt. A question came up you
regarding the President's post about Shador Sanders.
Speaker 10 (30:01):
Does the President think he deserves credit for Sanders getting picked?
Speaker 5 (30:04):
And does he think going to the Browns is better
than being undrafted?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Hey, all I will say is the President put out
a statement and a few rounds later he was drafted.
Speaker 10 (30:15):
So I think the facts speak for themselves on that one.
Speaker 11 (30:18):
Pierre, a few rounds later, question, is he better off
going undrafted or playing for the Browns? I mean, you
tell me your daw would you rather have had Shador
go undrafted or go in the fifth round of Cleveland?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Come on, was the father of two quarterbacks? What would you?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I'm just saying, you know, he's gonna get a little
bit more.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Look, obviously, had he been a free agent, then he
could have picked the best situation, but then they got
even less in you. At least there's a little a
shred of investment with you with a fifth and you know,
Cleveland would be a pretty good situation if you're a
free agent.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Question.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
I mean, in theory, if he's as good as he
thinks he is, then he should be able to build
beat out Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett and a forty
year old Joe Flackel, right, like there's a there's a
path to a field, to the field, the Cleveland field
if he's good. So as for I mean Trump, I'll
(31:21):
just say this with regards it. I don't think any
president Democrat or Republicans then should be uh, should be
interjecting about the draft. And and he had a little
logic in there when he said, I would say a
little error logic, Well, he has the genes, therefore he's
going to be a great really, so by that standard,
(31:43):
Nick Montana, the Husky quarterback, right like he should have
been given, uh, you know, in an entire season to start, Like,
I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
How come?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
How come Craig Griffy, Griffy's brother didn't turn into a superstar.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
He's at the Jeans.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Where's what's trade doing these days?
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
All right?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Hey, hre did you happen to hear that? What's that?
Dick Let's stay in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
After Jackson Dart was drafted by the Giants in the
first round last week, ESPN played an interview with Dart
where their new quarterback talked about his connection and love
for Star Wars.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
I've always been a huge Star Wars fan Ben since
I was a little kid. The eyebock is pretty simple,
just goes straight down the right eye on my inspiration
behind his Anakin Skywalker has his scar going down his face,
and you know that's kind of the tribute to I
love the Star Wars. He honestly didn't end well for him,
but at the same time, it's just a lot of
fun to watch his character evolved. My favorite Star Wars
movie is Revenge of the Sith or Empire strikes By.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
My college coach Lane Kiffer is best.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
Relatable to Yoda lay Star Wars Kirkers just his knowledge
of the game has a lot of fun unique in
his own right.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
All Right, Well, Jackson and I are in lockstep on
this one.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Clearly he's an idiot if he puts Revenge of the
Sith on the same level as Empire strike Back.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I mean that's just you know, his brain power, right.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I just questioned whether or not the guy can survive
mentally you in the National Football League. It's just a
guy that was dropped on his head a couple of times,
maybe when he was in college.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
But I gotta tell you, I am missing a gene.
I have never I've never been drawn to Star Wars whatsoever. Well,
you know why, I'm a stupid idea.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah whatever, you.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Know what, You're better off. You're better off.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Missing a freaking gene.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I am better off just blaming ignorance that having that
stupid ass take that Jackson darts Jackson with me on that.
Speaker 11 (33:34):
I just don't understand how you can think that episode
six is in the same rel or I guess what
three is the same him?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And and the hell are these guys eat the same baga food?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
What the hell?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
That's like putting Rocky and Kentucky Fried movie on the
same level.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I will tell you, Hugh.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I will say this.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
There's a lot of people that have been critical of
the Jackson dart selection. He had twenty nine touchdowns last
year for ole Miss. Five of them came against Furman,
six of them came against Arkansas, And when you look
at some of the better opponent four came against Duke,
(34:20):
You look at some of the better opponents he played,
and the numbers just aren't there.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Now, Look, it's not all about numbers.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
We get that, like Josh Allen's numbers at Wyoming weren't
eye popping when he was a senior in Wyoming and
he became a star.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
So it's not just about stats.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
If it was about stats, then Shador would have been
a first round draft pick.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
But what do you make of the Giants? This guy?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
I was at the most controversial game that he played
at Florida Games Florida. Yeah, I mean, right, damn near
fifty yard line seats, right, like great seats. And I
remember thinking he has a first round type of arm.
I mean, he's a big dude, big dude sick and
(35:01):
he had a complete meltdown in the last three minutes.
He just was giving it up like Scooby snacks. But
he had several great throws.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
In that game.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
I you know, he led the nation in yards per attempt,
you know, ten point three. He can push the ball
down the field. There's there's NFL traits within within this guy,
for sure. I mean obviously, you know, just a poor
man's Josh Allen would suffice for anybody.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
So when you were sitting there with Michelle watching that
game with fifty yard line seats, did you kind of
elbow your wife and say, hey, honey, that's the idiot
that thinks Revenge of the Ship might be as good
as we got. Time for one more Jackson? All right,
which one do you want to do?
Speaker 7 (35:41):
All right?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Hey, Hugh, did you happen to hear that? What's that?
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Dick?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yesterday?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Hugh On WGR Radio five point fifty am in Buffalo,
Bill's general manager Brandon Bean joined the morning show and
criticized the radio host for being critical of their current
RECES group.
Speaker 12 (36:01):
I was just listening to the last few minutes of
your show before I came home, waiting on in here.
I was like twenty eighteen all over.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
With you guys.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
We we're very how so well?
Speaker 12 (36:10):
You guys were bitching in twenty eighteen about Josh Allen.
You guys wanted Josh Rosen, and now you guys are
bitching that we don't have a receiver.
Speaker 13 (36:17):
I don't get it, Like we just go hold on,
let me talk. We just scored thirty points in a
row for eight straight games a year ago. I get
you guys asking why we didn't have receivers, But I
don't understand it.
Speaker 12 (36:30):
Now.
Speaker 13 (36:30):
You just saw us lead the league in points.
Speaker 12 (36:34):
How is this group not better than last year's group, Like,
I don't I get it. You got to have a show,
and you got to you got to have something to
bitch about.
Speaker 13 (36:42):
But bitching about wide receiver is one of the dumbest
arguments I've heard.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Well, that's interesting because all we've done the last couple
of years. You was talk about how they got no
receivers for Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I mean they added Josh Palmer over the offseason from
the Chargers. He's going to be there with Shakur and
Keyon Coleman. But they don't have a true number one
difference maker at wide receiver in Buffalo, do they. I mean,
you tell me, is that guy giving Josh out enough
weapons on the outside in Buffalo?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
No?
Speaker 5 (37:12):
I think that they need an outside receiver and Brson,
I think it's just a testament to how that they're
good in the slot. But you know they had Scanling
Valdez Scanling, and and they cut in mid season. I
think that they've been trying to replace. I think that's
a fair, fair thought and would I would just say
more than anything, I had not heard that that audio
(37:34):
until you just played it. Yeah, I think Brandon Bean
he's got to go to the school of of of
GM being presidential and come on, dude, like you got
to be above the fray on that that stuff can't
get under your skin, and if it does, if it does,
bother you like that. You got to have a lot
(37:54):
more adult response than that.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
That was.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
That just sounded like petulance to me. I'm just surprised.
I mean, if you're a GM of one of the
top teams in the NFL, yeah, I'm very surprised that
you would be that swelled up on a local radius. Well,
what would somebody's take on Josh Allen versus Josh Rosen,
How many every years ago have to do with anything
regarding the current state of the Buffalo Bill's wide receiver room.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I mean, people have takes, they make mistakes, they get
things wrong, whatever, bean, Yeah, I mean everybody. I thought
it was kind of a public knowledge thing that everybody
knows that Josh Allen needs some help on that football team.
And oh, you led the league in scoring, fine, but
you still have fallen short of your ultimate goal for
many many years now of getting back to a super
Bowl for the first time since the early nineties.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Well, I think that that invokes two questions. We got
two different issues here. Now, hold that thought. Hold that thought.
All right, we're got to a break. We'll come back
and talk about that. Because that was the first time
you heard the audio. I want to get your thoughts
on that.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Also, Chris Carter, by the way, spoke on a podcast
about what he feels happened to Shador Sanders over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
I want to get to that as well.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Coming up, you win for Dick right here on ninety
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