April 29, 2025 • 27 mins
In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Hugh Millen react to the Buffalo Bills GM’s comments to a radio show, talk about why Shedeur Sanders fell all the way to the fifth round of the draft last week, and discuss the trend of running quarterbacks in the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Before we get to this Chris Carter audio talking about
Shador standards, I want to go back to your thoughts
on what you heard from Brandon Bean the bhil GM
going out a Buffalo show Buffalo radio show, criticizing the
host for having the goal to criticize his wide receiver
room in Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
What'd you make of that?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
No, I think we got two issues here. Number one,
just okay, what is the state of the wide receivers?
You got Khalil Shakir, who's mainly a slot I eight
one hundred and twenty one yards. I think you're good there.
I've watched a lot of Buffalo games. But then the
next closest Keon Coleman, extra receiver five hundred and fifty
six yards. Like every single team, even the Super Bowl champions,
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every team comes in and say you have a relative weakness.
And even if you think it's a strength, he's still
a relative relative weakness. So I would have said wide
receiver would definitely be an area of concern for the
I mean, you know, they didn't play in the Super Bowl,
never have So that's issue Number one is just the
you know, the truth of that criticis or not say
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that soundness of that criticism, and then his reaction I
think was just again, that's not That's not the way
I would want my general manager handling radio show hosts. Yeah,
you gotta be a little bit above the frame. Well
that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, I mean I get your perspective. I think all
of that is just maybe a matter of taste. Right
when it's all said and done, we can maybe argue
about that. I mean, if he were on my show,
I would say, Okay, you're busting my balls about Josh
Rosen versus Josh Allen how many every years ago. That's fine,
But just because we were wrong about Rosen versus Allen
doesn't mean we're wrong about the wide receivers group today.
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I mean, both those things can be true. I blew
it with Josh Rosen, but I'm also dead on that
your wide receiver corps needs more help. So I would
have asked Brandon Bean, what the hell do those two
things have to do with each other? And then second
of all, I would ask him, Okay, fine, you led
the league in scoring, but the ultimate goal here to
make a Super Bowl and win, which we have not
done as a franchise. And what thirty five whatever years.
(02:05):
You know, since you lost four in a row, what
is it about your wide receiver group right now that
makes you think you don't need to improve at that position?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Or by his logic, if you carry out his logic,
you could say that any position on the offense doesn't
need to be improved, right because because you know, they
led the league in scoring, we don't need the offensive lineman.
We don't need running backs, we don't need you know.
I mean I thought that they they really had, you know,
in need of a running back because because every time
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that they needed to run the ball in important situations,
it was Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
They you know, they finally had you know, really good
running back in James Cook. And so I thought that they,
you know, they've they've addressed some of their needs and
and and yet in that situation, you've you know, you
just you can't flex up on somebody because you don't
have the right, the rights, uh, the right, you know,
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excuse me, I.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Guess no, you're good.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I just thought it was weird.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I thought it was a very very weird situation for
a general manager to get mad about him. And if
he you know, look, if the guys on the air
were critical of the quarterback play for example, which is
an obvious kind of deal. I mean, I don't know
what the hell you guys are talking about. We got
the freaking MVP of the NFL. That's a different story.
But when a guy comes on the air and is
is clearly upset about criticism of a group that I
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would hope that he would think and agree would need
to be upgraded and has not been up to par,
and it's just kind of a weird flex I thought
by Brandon being the GM of of the Bills. Uh, Hugh,
I want to play this clip for you here.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Chris Carter was on a podcast on YouTube, by the way,
the other day, I think it was actually a couple
of days ago, and he was asked about Shador Standers. Okay,
so this is the fully loaded podcast on YouTube. Hall
of Famer Chris Carter, who has never been one to
lack an opinion on anything, no question about it, was
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asked about what happened over the weekend with Shador Sanders
falling all the way to number it to the fifth round.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Well, a number of things happen. The number one thing
that didn't happen was there was not a collusion message
with the NFL owners. Okay, okay, a lot of people
think that because they wouldn't be able to keep a
secret like that and.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
They're doing but they couldn't shut.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Up about it.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
They wouldn't go shut up about it. But every owner
is very very selfish. Now, why would I do something
to my detriment, like if I need a quarterback and
I think this kid is it. What he didn't realize
is the guys that have fallen in the draft before,
they all had unusual traits, like they had some superstar
qualities to them. Now, some other things happened that made
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them fall. But Shador and his family they overplayed their hand.
Them thinking that he was in the same evaluation mode
as Eli Manning. They didn't play that right. Them trying
to narrow the teams that he was going to go to.
That didn't do right. Not working out the combine. That
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wasn't the right thing his interview process. Obviously, he could
have done a lot better than that. A lot of
people left that meeting felt he was very very entitled.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Which meet because they said Brian bind the ball Giants coach,
had said he didn't like to meet and he asked
him he had some book, was his playbook or something
he was supposed to know, and he said he felt.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Weird about it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I don't know who else said they didn't like the
meeting with him, or just peel behind the scenes send
it in.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Well, the thing about it, they didn't draft him, so
it's not the tape. And he likes guys to be
a little more open before he lets it go. And
he doesn't have a big time arm. He's not a
big guy. He's not overly athletic, so his measurables are
not say, first round measurables, but he played football like
a first round.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Okay, there's a lot to unpack there, right, I mean,
this is going to be a story that's just, first
of all, never going to go away, right Number one.
Number two, I don't know if the country is more
intrigued by the Browns quarterback room than they've ever been, right,
I mean, that's gonna be something to keep an eye on.
But there's been a couple things that have kind of
stuck out to me, Hugh, and you can just attack
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him in any order you want. There's been people that
have gone on TV and they've said things like, clearly
the tape shows that this guy should have been drafted earlier.
Mel Kuiper has said that. Stephen A. Smith has said that.
There's also other people that have gone on TV and
have played the race card as a reason why should
or Sanders fell all the way to the fifth round.
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Deon Sanders has been criticized. His affect if you will
has been criticized. There's stories leaking about terrible interviews him
taken FaceTime calls during interviews with football teams that made
him sound and look like he didn't give a damn
at all in the process. Mike Holmgren mentioned to us
on draft Day that maybe one of the reasons why
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is because he didn't want to play for that team
and that was his way of trying to get off
that team's board.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
So there's a lot to unpack here.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
But you heard Chris Carter there with his criticisms of
how they played this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
What do you make of everything you've heard and what
you heard there from Chris Carter.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, it's a pretty fascinating story. I mean, Chris Carson,
I've Chris Carter. Chris Carson. Yeah, Chris Carter. He's the
former Seahawk running back Chris Carter. I've heard the entire
sound that was just a snippet. I agree with every
word of Chris Carter. He talks about there's no collusion.
I don't believe there's any collusion, and I agree with him.
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That's one of the reasons I'm generally not a conspiracy
there's how are you going to keep that memo private?
You know, he fell in the draft, he overplayed his
hand and he wasn't Eli Manning. That's That's one of
the things that I've heard about this is there's been
attempts in some circles to try and equate Well, Eli
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Manning did it. How's that any different with Shadur Well.
Eli Manning was the number one overall pick in the draft.
He just had a lot more goods perceived at least
goods coming into the draft as a quarterback and all
of the other things that that that Shador Sanders apparently did.
And I know I got coaches in the industry. I
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think every single one of those stories is absolutely credible.
I mean, yet Boomer Siasin come on and say that,
uh that that he knows of three owners on different
teams that just went to their coaches and said, take
him off the board. I don't care what round he's
off the board. I don't want to want to bring
that into my room. I've heard of of in the
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interview room. They they had a situation where they said, okay,
they showed a tape of your bad plays and and
then say explain you know this interception and and at
some point Shader says, well, maybe I'm not the guy
for you. That's not how you answer that question, all right,
And then and then there there's times where they'll put
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an intentional mistake on a install that they were supposed
to study and they want to see if guys will
notice the mistake.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
And he didn't.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
He got called on it and he had a similar response.
So there there there are stories coming off. Look, nobody
could have conceivably butchered and torpeded himself to the level
of Shador Sanders. And as Chris Carter said, they overplayed
their hand. They didn't have the goods that Eli Manninghanck
see Dion, he could say all these things. Coming out
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of college. He said, man Detroit better not draft me.
They'll have to put me on layaway, I'll ask for
so much money. I mean, he could do whatever he
wants because he was a great player. Shador wasn't that,
and so I would just say this the decisions he
made that that since because mel Kiper said, well, they
haven't played a game in three months, Well, so you're
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telling me just in the there's there's not any floor
under which you could say, you you interview so poorly
with the team, you throw so poorly at the pro at,
at your pro day, like all of these things that
they do postseason, that that has no effect. I actually
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think I have no way of proving it. I don't
have the evidence, but I feel like mel Kiper is
in the bag for Dion. Somehow there's a friendship there.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
I know. Uh, Dion has bullied a lot of the media.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Rapaport said, you know, it is the story about how
he rose some question in three months. Three minutes, three
minutes later, he got a FaceTime from Dion, and Dion
was hassling a head coach. He admitted that all the
things you know, you know, Chris Carter says, you know,
not throwing at the combine was a mistake. Yeah, he
overplayed his hands. He thought he was at that level
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the interview process. He talked about, he's got to see
guys open. That's what you see on the tape is
when you say, oh, he's got to see guys open.
But that means you're not anticipating through the windows with
enough frequency that warrants a first round pick. If you
have to wait to see guys open, that means you
better have a hell of a hose to be able
to snap it in. Ideally, you want to you want
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to throw it before they get open. So that's a
that's a quarterback language that he was using. And he
doesn't have the size nor of the athleticism, as Carter said,
to be able to hose that ball in there. If
if you want to see it late, like you got
Josh Allen's arm, Patrick Mahomes arm, you can snap it
in there. The most valuable math a person can ever
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learn is how to calculate the future cost of your
current decisions. And he just didn't think this through. And
I would just I would just say this. I don't
I don't give advice very often, but I'm gonna give
advice to people thirty and under and I can just
ignore this. Is that what you're saying you can ignore this. Okay,
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you're you're too you can't be saved, You're all right.
So what I would say to should do or I
would have said, listen, your twenty two year old self,
I want you to imagine sitting at a round table
and see these chairs right here. You're gonna sit here
in Your thirty two year old self is sitting in
that chair. Your forty two year old self is sitting
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in that chair. You're fifty two in that, you're sixty two,
you're seventy two, your eighty two year old self, and
they're sitting there and they're mute, they can't talk, but
they are begging, they are praying that you make good
decisions because every single one of those cats at the
table is depending on you right now. That's one of
the cruel cruelties the riddles of life, is that your
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most important decisions that you make for in the most
part in your life, you have to make when you're young,
in your twenties and maybe thirties, and you have the
most wisdom to make that when you're in your sixties
and your seventies. Right that's sev two year old sixty
two year old sad Sanders sitting right at that table.
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They got ai that can you know AG's face and
just so this is an imagery and he just flat
out did not calculate that this is this is a
horrendous decision. And I'm certain, uh, well, I'm not certain.
I would bet that every single one of those those
sedur Sanders at that table, thirty two, forty two fifty two,
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they're all going to be going, dude, how did you
kick this when you were twenty two?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Well, it's gets I mean, it's great advice, no doubt,
And I'm sorry that I can't lean on that advice
because according to you, I'm too old and cannot.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Be saved now.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
But saying hey, well you know, I just think that
there's such a lazy narrative from some people out there.
And that's why I just defer to you on this
stuff watching the film, because a lot of people, even
people in media, just look at numbers and they look
at stats. I mean, like, look at Kyle McCord man.
Kyle McCord led the nation in passing yards at Syracuse
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in the ACC thirty four touchdowns, twelve picks, and he
was one hundred and eighty first player taken behind Shador Sanders.
By the way, remember Anthony Gordon at Wazoo five six
years ago through for fifty five hundred yards and forty
eight touchdowns seventy two percent.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I don't even know if that guy was drafted.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So the idea that stats can get you drafted is
so insanely dumb.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Never been.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
It's so insanely dumb. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's so insanely lazy and stupid and dumb for people
in the media to throw that stuff out there. It
just makes my brain hurt to hear people talk about
this stuff on the air. So when you hear people say,
like mel Kiper and Steven A, well, the tape shows
he should have been okay, does the tape show you
that he should have been drafted earlier?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Does the tape have him showing up to an interview
with speakers around, with headphones around his neck and the
music still playing. Does the tape show that he had
a FaceTime from a friend and he took the FaceTime
and then left it on during an interview. I mean
they had the interview process. I mean, look, let's just
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reason this through. They have the interview process for a
reason right, it means something more than nothing, something more
than zero. So I would just say for those who
want to somehow mitigate or dismiss the process since the
season ended, I just say, well, how bad would you
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have to kick it? Is there anything you could say?
Speaker 6 (15:30):
I mean, like it.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
By all accounts, Shadur had the worst meetings with these
teams in the history of the draft. I can't recall
of anybody. You know, Johnny Manziel was really bad, so
maybe it was Manziella as bad. But you know yet
I understand Stephen A. Smith has been on a tirade
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about this. Here's what I'd love to do. I would love,
because he's so adamant about the tape, I'd love to
put the coach's tape up there and give him a
laser pointer and then have a.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Whiteboard right next to it.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Say, Okay, you want to go tell the nation you
want to be so irate about this. Chris Carter just
told us you have to you have that. He has
to see guys, yeah, to throw it. That's just a
little part of that snippet. Do you realize how big
that that component of Carter's analysis was. He's got to
see things before he throws it here. Yeah, that's quarterbacking.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I would love to hear stephen A. Smith get up
on the whiteboard and say, hey, this is what he's
supposed to do on that play and he did it right,
and like he'd be, he'd be, he'd be overwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
He would jump in, Let me jump in. We gotta
get to a break.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I want to come back and I want to hit
on the Seahawks draft class a little more with you
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Speaker 2 (17:05):
All right, we do have a little bit of breaking
news from t Mobile Park. I don't know if this
is a concern, lack of a concern, big deal, small deal, medium,
Shy's deal. Maybe it's a sh medium deal. I know
that Curtis Crabtree reported this, Adam Jude reporting this, that
Luke Raley tweaked something during p BP today, by the way,
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and that Tacoma Rainier outfielder Rylan Thomas is en route
to Seattle just as a fill in if he needs
to for Luke Rayley tonight. The injury bug, I'm getting
kind of tired of this, man. I mean, first of all,
Gilbert's down, Kirby's obviously down, Brash has been down, Robless
and Bliss have been down. Williamson tweaked us back the
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other day before the game. Santos is on the sixty day.
I l we don't have Brash, and now Rayley's banged
up potentially, so I don't know what it is, man,
but the injury bug is a fighting the Mariners right
now a little bit so amazing. They're even the first
place all the injuries they've had so far, so we'll
keep an eye on that, all right, Hu Millin's in
for Dick Fane for the rest of the week back
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as well next week too, Hugh. Before we get to
the rest of the Seahawks draft class we're talking about.
You were on the air. I think it was yesterday,
or maybe it was Friday. I don't forget what day
you said this, but it made kind of a an
analogy to Dan Marino and and and watching him play
football back in the day, and how that kind of
maybe formed and molded your thoughts on on kind of
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what a quarterback should look like in the traits the
quarterbacks got to have, right.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well, No, I think it's just more as a fan.
And and I'd appreciate the listener's input, you know, in
the text or whatever. You know, what I said is that, well,
I said, once you see Dan Marino throw a football,
you're forever change, or at least that was that way
for me. And and so my take is generally I
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can I like watching guys run the football just as
much as probably anybody. I love Eric Dickerson one of
my top five athletes, I stated, And and but I've
just said the one place that I would like to
when I watch a Sunday a Sunday game, an NFL game,
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I want I want to see a complete route tree,
somebody who can rip the ball down the field, make
NFL throws. And then if I can get my running,
I can scratch my running. It's by running backs and
by wide receivers on bubble screens, and pump returners and
kick returners, and that watching an electric guy with the
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football in his hand. I can scratch that itch in
many places, but the old there's only one guy who
can scratch my you know, high level quarterbacking down the field,
smoke the ball down the field. It's and that's a quarterback.
And to put that in contact, like to me my
three favorite I'll tell you three guys that I just love.
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And if you're a young guy here we're talking to
young people to you gotta you gotta go on utub,
you gotta watch Dan Marino.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah, by the way here I'm not with the young people.
I mean, do old people not matter too?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I'm just assuming a second time today or I've been
offended by you.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
That's conversation, but nothing. Remember you can remember Dan Marino.
You can remember like Dan Marino, Warn.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Moon and John Elway, those that when when you think
of it as a fan, I think here's a positive
general belief when you watch a game and you watch
them handoff to running back. That's more boring than throwing.
I think most people, now you under everybody understands the
need to run the ball. But I think there's a
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certain when you watch on the TV and there's a
guy in the pocket and you can see, oh he's
cranking up. He's not just checking it down, He's he's
throwing That looks like he's throwing at twenty five thirty
yards down the field, there's a certain suspense that's like, hey,
is this going to be a great throw? In nineteen
eighty four, there were or I'll just say in twenty
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twenty four, there were five quarterbacks. I want we always
talk about yards per attempt, how about yards per completion,
because because yards per tempt is really just yards per
completion times completion percentage. So you can get a high
yards per attempt if you have a high completion percent
that doesn't mean that you're necessarily pushing the ball down
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the field. So I'm gonna talk about the lesser discussed
yards per completion. Okay, In twenty and twenty four, there's
five quarterbacks who had more than twelve yards per completion.
In nineteen eighty four, there was twenty two. In twenty
and twenty four, there was one quarterback with more than
thirteen yards per completion. In nineteen eighty four, there was twelve,
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and one more. In twenty twenty four, there was nobody
who was fourteen yards per completion. In nineteen eighty four
there was five, you know, including obviously Marino I had
a season where.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
He was fifteen in a quarter.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
So there's an era where you say, wait, if I
watch an NFL game, I'm watching a dude that can
just rip it down the field. And that ability on
some level has been supplanted by Hey, it's more important
that you're a runner, right, And so for me, look,
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I as I said, I like running. I think it's
thrilling to hell when Lamar Jackson, you when you say,
oh boy, he's taking off, you don't know what he's
gonna do. I understand there's a thrilling component to that.
But the only way I can get that part of
football that I love, which is a dude just you know,
being a surgeon and ripping the ball down the field,
it's from the quarterback position. So at any obviously that's
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a relevant topic now because of Jalen Milrope.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But yeah, well, first of all, yeah, no, what my
thoughts are that if you're in your late twenties early thirties,
you have no idea what Dan Marina was all about
except for YouTube highlights. That's like asking me about Roman
Gabriel for right out loud. Right, So it's amazing how
freaking old we're getting. And then number two, I mean,
I totally agree with you I mean, you know, I
think that a lot of people look at guys like
Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson as runners and all that stuff,
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and Josh Allen, but these guys are also pretty damn
good throwing the football too, man. And I don't know,
I mean, I was asking you earlier, is there an
example of a guy who had the exact issues you know,
lack of a better term, that Jalen Milroe has right
now and was able to once that person got to
the NFL, fix them and turn them into you know,
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a decent, you know, long upper half career quarterback in
the National Football League. I mean people have mentioned Josh Allen.
I mean Josh Allen fifty six percent as a senior
at Wyoming. I don't know if he had the same
issues that Jalen Milroe hads, though, just because the completion
percentage was low doesn't mean that Josh had the same
issues that Milroe had a year ago. You'd be better
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equipped to answer that than I would. But is there
an example? I mean, you know, just all your quarterbacks study,
do you do? You do you know of anybody similar
to Milroe as a passer who was able to correct it?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And thrive in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Well, first of all, if before I die, I just hope,
you know, you know, I just I just hope that
when we discuss quarterbacks and whether they're accurate, I just
hope before I die that we stop referencing it by
completion percentage, because completion percentage is far more likely to
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reflect a quarterback's aggressiveness than it is as accuracy.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, well, Josh, So if you tell me a quarterback's
fifty six percent and then another one is sixty six
percent or seventy six percent, I want to know the
seventy six. Like you know, Tudar standards, he had seventy
four percent. He had one hundred and sixty eight pass
attempts behind the line of scrimmage this year. That was
number one and in all of FBS. So it's it's
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it's far more likely a statement about somebody's aggressiveness. Now
I'm not saying that it And by the way, as
it correlates to winning, it's it's load to moderate. It
has a forced eighteen correlation where you have other things
like the new new stats coming out EPA, the QBR,
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the new QBR, even the old passer rating has has
correlations well over six hundred, and we're talking about a
completion percentage that has, you know, in the low four
hundreds on correlation and.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Doesn't reflect what the context in which people usually use it.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So fifty six percent doesn't tell you how accurate or
inaccurate Josh Allen does the tape does right. And so
to answer your question, yeah, Mar Jackson, Okay, I'll just
close it up, Mar Jackson. Bill Pollian sabotage himself in
many ways. This is Hall of fame GM that that
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built Super Bowl teams on three teams, Carolina, Buffalo, Indianapolis.
And he said kind of at the end of his
public UH analysis period, he said that Lamar Jackson, she
should be turned into a wide receiver. Like that's as
bad as you can Bill switch positions.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I mean Bill O'Brien, Sorry, Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, And and so you know, and and look, I
can understand how some people can strew that as a
as a racist comment. So these are some these are
some issues that that there's a.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Lot of tentacles to this.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I would just say this, I think Lamar Jackson's in
the category of guys that that didn't throw well apparently
at Louisville. Even though he won a Heisman, he didn't
seem to have in some people's eyes, including Bill Pollian,
that he didn't have the throw the requisite throwing acumen
that you would expect from an NFL quarterback. He proved
(27:05):
he did, But I would say that if you said,
pistol to my temple, who needs more work? Lamar Jackson
coming out of Louisville or Jalen Milroll coming out out
of Alabama, I would say Jalen Milroe coming.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Out of al got it. Let's get a break.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
We'll come back with some texts, and then John Wilder
is going to join us and recap the entire thing
from a Big ten PAC twelve perspective.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Husky Spring game is on Friday night at you Dub.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Johnny joins at five o'clock right here on ninety three
three KJRFM
Here.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Before we get to this Chris Carter audio talking about
Shador standards, I want to go back to your thoughts
on what you heard from Brandon Bean the bhil GM
going out a Buffalo show Buffalo radio show, criticizing the
host for having the goal to criticize his wide receiver
room in Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
What'd you make of that?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
No, I think we got two issues here. Number one,
just okay, what is the state of the wide receivers?
You got Khalil Shakir, who's mainly a slot I eight
one hundred and twenty one yards. I think you're good there.
I've watched a lot of Buffalo games. But then the
next closest Keon Coleman, extra receiver five hundred and fifty
six yards. Like every single team, even the Super Bowl champions,
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every team comes in and say you have a relative weakness.
And even if you think it's a strength, he's still
a relative relative weakness. So I would have said wide
receiver would definitely be an area of concern for the
I mean, you know, they didn't play in the Super Bowl,
never have So that's issue Number one is just the
you know, the truth of that criticis or not say
(01:03):
that soundness of that criticism, and then his reaction I
think was just again, that's not That's not the way
I would want my general manager handling radio show hosts. Yeah,
you gotta be a little bit above the frame. Well
that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, I mean I get your perspective. I think all
of that is just maybe a matter of taste. Right
when it's all said and done, we can maybe argue
about that. I mean, if he were on my show,
I would say, Okay, you're busting my balls about Josh
Rosen versus Josh Allen how many every years ago. That's fine,
But just because we were wrong about Rosen versus Allen
doesn't mean we're wrong about the wide receivers group today.
(01:42):
I mean, both those things can be true. I blew
it with Josh Rosen, but I'm also dead on that
your wide receiver corps needs more help. So I would
have asked Brandon Bean, what the hell do those two
things have to do with each other? And then second
of all, I would ask him, Okay, fine, you led
the league in scoring, but the ultimate goal here to
make a Super Bowl and win, which we have not
done as a franchise. And what thirty five whatever years.
(02:05):
You know, since you lost four in a row, what
is it about your wide receiver group right now that
makes you think you don't need to improve at that position?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Or by his logic, if you carry out his logic,
you could say that any position on the offense doesn't
need to be improved, right because because you know, they
led the league in scoring, we don't need the offensive lineman.
We don't need running backs, we don't need you know.
I mean I thought that they they really had, you know,
in need of a running back because because every time
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that they needed to run the ball in important situations,
it was Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
They you know, they finally had you know, really good
running back in James Cook. And so I thought that they,
you know, they've they've addressed some of their needs and
and and yet in that situation, you've you know, you
just you can't flex up on somebody because you don't
have the right, the rights, uh, the right, you know,
(03:07):
excuse me, I.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Guess no, you're good.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
No.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I just thought it was weird.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I thought it was a very very weird situation for
a general manager to get mad about him. And if
he you know, look, if the guys on the air
were critical of the quarterback play for example, which is
an obvious kind of deal. I mean, I don't know
what the hell you guys are talking about. We got
the freaking MVP of the NFL. That's a different story.
But when a guy comes on the air and is
is clearly upset about criticism of a group that I
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would hope that he would think and agree would need
to be upgraded and has not been up to par,
and it's just kind of a weird flex I thought
by Brandon being the GM of of the Bills. Uh, Hugh,
I want to play this clip for you here.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Chris Carter was on a podcast on YouTube, by the way,
the other day, I think it was actually a couple
of days ago, and he was asked about Shador Standers. Okay,
so this is the fully loaded podcast on YouTube. Hall
of Famer Chris Carter, who has never been one to
lack an opinion on anything, no question about it, was
(04:08):
asked about what happened over the weekend with Shador Sanders
falling all the way to number it to the fifth round.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Well, a number of things happen. The number one thing
that didn't happen was there was not a collusion message
with the NFL owners. Okay, okay, a lot of people
think that because they wouldn't be able to keep a
secret like that and.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
They're doing but they couldn't shut.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Up about it.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
They wouldn't go shut up about it. But every owner
is very very selfish. Now, why would I do something
to my detriment, like if I need a quarterback and
I think this kid is it. What he didn't realize
is the guys that have fallen in the draft before,
they all had unusual traits, like they had some superstar
qualities to them. Now, some other things happened that made
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them fall. But Shador and his family they overplayed their hand.
Them thinking that he was in the same evaluation mode
as Eli Manning. They didn't play that right. Them trying
to narrow the teams that he was going to go to.
That didn't do right. Not working out the combine. That
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wasn't the right thing his interview process. Obviously, he could
have done a lot better than that. A lot of
people left that meeting felt he was very very entitled.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Which meet because they said Brian bind the ball Giants coach,
had said he didn't like to meet and he asked
him he had some book, was his playbook or something
he was supposed to know, and he said he felt.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Weird about it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I don't know who else said they didn't like the
meeting with him, or just peel behind the scenes send
it in.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Well, the thing about it, they didn't draft him, so
it's not the tape. And he likes guys to be
a little more open before he lets it go. And
he doesn't have a big time arm. He's not a
big guy. He's not overly athletic, so his measurables are
not say, first round measurables, but he played football like
a first round.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Okay, there's a lot to unpack there, right, I mean,
this is going to be a story that's just, first
of all, never going to go away, right Number one.
Number two, I don't know if the country is more
intrigued by the Browns quarterback room than they've ever been, right,
I mean, that's gonna be something to keep an eye on.
But there's been a couple things that have kind of
stuck out to me, Hugh, and you can just attack
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him in any order you want. There's been people that
have gone on TV and they've said things like, clearly
the tape shows that this guy should have been drafted earlier.
Mel Kuiper has said that. Stephen A. Smith has said that.
There's also other people that have gone on TV and
have played the race card as a reason why should
or Sanders fell all the way to the fifth round.
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Deon Sanders has been criticized. His affect if you will
has been criticized. There's stories leaking about terrible interviews him
taken FaceTime calls during interviews with football teams that made
him sound and look like he didn't give a damn
at all in the process. Mike Holmgren mentioned to us
on draft Day that maybe one of the reasons why
(07:01):
is because he didn't want to play for that team
and that was his way of trying to get off
that team's board.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
So there's a lot to unpack here.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
But you heard Chris Carter there with his criticisms of
how they played this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
What do you make of everything you've heard and what
you heard there from Chris Carter.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, it's a pretty fascinating story. I mean, Chris Carson,
I've Chris Carter. Chris Carson. Yeah, Chris Carter. He's the
former Seahawk running back Chris Carter. I've heard the entire
sound that was just a snippet. I agree with every
word of Chris Carter. He talks about there's no collusion.
I don't believe there's any collusion, and I agree with him.
(07:37):
That's one of the reasons I'm generally not a conspiracy
there's how are you going to keep that memo private?
You know, he fell in the draft, he overplayed his
hand and he wasn't Eli Manning. That's That's one of
the things that I've heard about this is there's been
attempts in some circles to try and equate Well, Eli
(07:57):
Manning did it. How's that any different with Shadur Well.
Eli Manning was the number one overall pick in the draft.
He just had a lot more goods perceived at least
goods coming into the draft as a quarterback and all
of the other things that that that Shador Sanders apparently did.
And I know I got coaches in the industry. I
(08:18):
think every single one of those stories is absolutely credible.
I mean, yet Boomer Siasin come on and say that,
uh that that he knows of three owners on different
teams that just went to their coaches and said, take
him off the board. I don't care what round he's
off the board. I don't want to want to bring
that into my room. I've heard of of in the
(08:40):
interview room. They they had a situation where they said, okay,
they showed a tape of your bad plays and and
then say explain you know this interception and and at
some point Shader says, well, maybe I'm not the guy
for you. That's not how you answer that question, all right,
And then and then there there's times where they'll put
(09:03):
an intentional mistake on a install that they were supposed
to study and they want to see if guys will
notice the mistake.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
And he didn't.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
He got called on it and he had a similar response.
So there there there are stories coming off. Look, nobody
could have conceivably butchered and torpeded himself to the level
of Shador Sanders. And as Chris Carter said, they overplayed
their hand. They didn't have the goods that Eli Manninghanck
see Dion, he could say all these things. Coming out
(09:35):
of college. He said, man Detroit better not draft me.
They'll have to put me on layaway, I'll ask for
so much money. I mean, he could do whatever he
wants because he was a great player. Shador wasn't that,
and so I would just say this the decisions he
made that that since because mel Kiper said, well, they
haven't played a game in three months, Well, so you're
(09:58):
telling me just in the there's there's not any floor
under which you could say, you you interview so poorly
with the team, you throw so poorly at the pro at,
at your pro day, like all of these things that
they do postseason, that that has no effect. I actually
(10:18):
think I have no way of proving it. I don't
have the evidence, but I feel like mel Kiper is
in the bag for Dion. Somehow there's a friendship there.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
I know. Uh, Dion has bullied a lot of the media.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Rapaport said, you know, it is the story about how
he rose some question in three months. Three minutes, three
minutes later, he got a FaceTime from Dion, and Dion
was hassling a head coach. He admitted that all the
things you know, you know, Chris Carter says, you know,
not throwing at the combine was a mistake. Yeah, he
overplayed his hands. He thought he was at that level
(10:53):
the interview process. He talked about, he's got to see
guys open. That's what you see on the tape is
when you say, oh, he's got to see guys open.
But that means you're not anticipating through the windows with
enough frequency that warrants a first round pick. If you
have to wait to see guys open, that means you
better have a hell of a hose to be able
to snap it in. Ideally, you want to you want
(11:15):
to throw it before they get open. So that's a
that's a quarterback language that he was using. And he
doesn't have the size nor of the athleticism, as Carter said,
to be able to hose that ball in there. If
if you want to see it late, like you got
Josh Allen's arm, Patrick Mahomes arm, you can snap it
in there. The most valuable math a person can ever
(11:36):
learn is how to calculate the future cost of your
current decisions. And he just didn't think this through. And
I would just I would just say this. I don't
I don't give advice very often, but I'm gonna give
advice to people thirty and under and I can just
ignore this. Is that what you're saying you can ignore this. Okay,
(11:57):
you're you're too you can't be saved, You're all right.
So what I would say to should do or I
would have said, listen, your twenty two year old self,
I want you to imagine sitting at a round table
and see these chairs right here. You're gonna sit here
in Your thirty two year old self is sitting in
that chair. Your forty two year old self is sitting
(12:20):
in that chair. You're fifty two in that, you're sixty two,
you're seventy two, your eighty two year old self, and
they're sitting there and they're mute, they can't talk, but
they are begging, they are praying that you make good
decisions because every single one of those cats at the
table is depending on you right now. That's one of
the cruel cruelties the riddles of life, is that your
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most important decisions that you make for in the most
part in your life, you have to make when you're young,
in your twenties and maybe thirties, and you have the
most wisdom to make that when you're in your sixties
and your seventies. Right that's sev two year old sixty
two year old sad Sanders sitting right at that table.
(13:05):
They got ai that can you know AG's face and
just so this is an imagery and he just flat
out did not calculate that this is this is a
horrendous decision. And I'm certain, uh, well, I'm not certain.
I would bet that every single one of those those
sedur Sanders at that table, thirty two, forty two fifty two,
(13:28):
they're all going to be going, dude, how did you
kick this when you were twenty two?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Well, it's gets I mean, it's great advice, no doubt,
And I'm sorry that I can't lean on that advice
because according to you, I'm too old and cannot.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Be saved now.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
But saying hey, well you know, I just think that
there's such a lazy narrative from some people out there.
And that's why I just defer to you on this
stuff watching the film, because a lot of people, even
people in media, just look at numbers and they look
at stats. I mean, like, look at Kyle McCord man.
Kyle McCord led the nation in passing yards at Syracuse
(14:02):
in the ACC thirty four touchdowns, twelve picks, and he
was one hundred and eighty first player taken behind Shador Sanders.
By the way, remember Anthony Gordon at Wazoo five six
years ago through for fifty five hundred yards and forty
eight touchdowns seventy two percent.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I don't even know if that guy was drafted.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So the idea that stats can get you drafted is
so insanely dumb.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Never been.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
It's so insanely dumb. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's so insanely lazy and stupid and dumb for people
in the media to throw that stuff out there. It
just makes my brain hurt to hear people talk about
this stuff on the air. So when you hear people say,
like mel Kiper and Steven A, well, the tape shows
he should have been okay, does the tape show you
that he should have been drafted earlier?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Does the tape have him showing up to an interview
with speakers around, with headphones around his neck and the
music still playing. Does the tape show that he had
a FaceTime from a friend and he took the FaceTime
and then left it on during an interview. I mean
they had the interview process. I mean, look, let's just
(15:07):
reason this through. They have the interview process for a
reason right, it means something more than nothing, something more
than zero. So I would just say for those who
want to somehow mitigate or dismiss the process since the
season ended, I just say, well, how bad would you
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have to kick it? Is there anything you could say?
Speaker 6 (15:30):
I mean, like it.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
By all accounts, Shadur had the worst meetings with these
teams in the history of the draft. I can't recall
of anybody. You know, Johnny Manziel was really bad, so
maybe it was Manziella as bad. But you know yet
I understand Stephen A. Smith has been on a tirade
(15:55):
about this. Here's what I'd love to do. I would love,
because he's so adamant about the tape, I'd love to
put the coach's tape up there and give him a
laser pointer and then have a.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Whiteboard right next to it.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Say, Okay, you want to go tell the nation you
want to be so irate about this. Chris Carter just
told us you have to you have that. He has
to see guys, yeah, to throw it. That's just a
little part of that snippet. Do you realize how big
that that component of Carter's analysis was. He's got to
see things before he throws it here. Yeah, that's quarterbacking.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I would love to hear stephen A. Smith get up
on the whiteboard and say, hey, this is what he's
supposed to do on that play and he did it right,
and like he'd be, he'd be, he'd be overwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
He would jump in, Let me jump in. We gotta
get to a break.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I want to come back and I want to hit
on the Seahawks draft class a little more with you
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Speaker 2 (17:05):
All right, we do have a little bit of breaking
news from t Mobile Park. I don't know if this
is a concern, lack of a concern, big deal, small deal, medium,
Shy's deal. Maybe it's a sh medium deal. I know
that Curtis Crabtree reported this, Adam Jude reporting this, that
Luke Raley tweaked something during p BP today, by the way,
(17:29):
and that Tacoma Rainier outfielder Rylan Thomas is en route
to Seattle just as a fill in if he needs
to for Luke Rayley tonight. The injury bug, I'm getting
kind of tired of this, man. I mean, first of all,
Gilbert's down, Kirby's obviously down, Brash has been down, Robless
and Bliss have been down. Williamson tweaked us back the
(17:49):
other day before the game. Santos is on the sixty day.
I l we don't have Brash, and now Rayley's banged
up potentially, so I don't know what it is, man,
but the injury bug is a fighting the Mariners right
now a little bit so amazing. They're even the first
place all the injuries they've had so far, so we'll
keep an eye on that, all right, Hu Millin's in
for Dick Fane for the rest of the week back
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as well next week too, Hugh. Before we get to
the rest of the Seahawks draft class we're talking about.
You were on the air. I think it was yesterday,
or maybe it was Friday. I don't forget what day
you said this, but it made kind of a an
analogy to Dan Marino and and and watching him play
football back in the day, and how that kind of
maybe formed and molded your thoughts on on kind of
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what a quarterback should look like in the traits the
quarterbacks got to have, right.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well, No, I think it's just more as a fan.
And and I'd appreciate the listener's input, you know, in
the text or whatever. You know, what I said is that, well,
I said, once you see Dan Marino throw a football,
you're forever change, or at least that was that way
for me. And and so my take is generally I
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can I like watching guys run the football just as
much as probably anybody. I love Eric Dickerson one of
my top five athletes, I stated, And and but I've
just said the one place that I would like to
when I watch a Sunday a Sunday game, an NFL game,
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I want I want to see a complete route tree,
somebody who can rip the ball down the field, make
NFL throws. And then if I can get my running,
I can scratch my running. It's by running backs and
by wide receivers on bubble screens, and pump returners and
kick returners, and that watching an electric guy with the
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football in his hand. I can scratch that itch in
many places, but the old there's only one guy who
can scratch my you know, high level quarterbacking down the field,
smoke the ball down the field. It's and that's a quarterback.
And to put that in contact, like to me my
three favorite I'll tell you three guys that I just love.
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And if you're a young guy here we're talking to
young people to you gotta you gotta go on utub,
you gotta watch Dan Marino.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah, by the way here I'm not with the young people.
I mean, do old people not matter too?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I'm just assuming a second time today or I've been
offended by you.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
That's conversation, but nothing. Remember you can remember Dan Marino.
You can remember like Dan Marino, Warn.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Moon and John Elway, those that when when you think
of it as a fan, I think here's a positive
general belief when you watch a game and you watch
them handoff to running back. That's more boring than throwing.
I think most people, now you under everybody understands the
need to run the ball. But I think there's a
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certain when you watch on the TV and there's a
guy in the pocket and you can see, oh he's
cranking up. He's not just checking it down, He's he's
throwing That looks like he's throwing at twenty five thirty
yards down the field, there's a certain suspense that's like, hey,
is this going to be a great throw? In nineteen
eighty four, there were or I'll just say in twenty
(21:02):
twenty four, there were five quarterbacks. I want we always
talk about yards per attempt, how about yards per completion,
because because yards per tempt is really just yards per
completion times completion percentage. So you can get a high
yards per attempt if you have a high completion percent
that doesn't mean that you're necessarily pushing the ball down
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the field. So I'm gonna talk about the lesser discussed
yards per completion. Okay, In twenty and twenty four, there's
five quarterbacks who had more than twelve yards per completion.
In nineteen eighty four, there was twenty two. In twenty
and twenty four, there was one quarterback with more than
thirteen yards per completion. In nineteen eighty four, there was twelve,
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and one more. In twenty twenty four, there was nobody
who was fourteen yards per completion. In nineteen eighty four
there was five, you know, including obviously Marino I had
a season where.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
He was fifteen in a quarter.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
So there's an era where you say, wait, if I
watch an NFL game, I'm watching a dude that can
just rip it down the field. And that ability on
some level has been supplanted by Hey, it's more important
that you're a runner, right, And so for me, look,
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I as I said, I like running. I think it's
thrilling to hell when Lamar Jackson, you when you say,
oh boy, he's taking off, you don't know what he's
gonna do. I understand there's a thrilling component to that.
But the only way I can get that part of
football that I love, which is a dude just you know,
being a surgeon and ripping the ball down the field,
it's from the quarterback position. So at any obviously that's
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a relevant topic now because of Jalen Milrope.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
But yeah, well, first of all, yeah, no, what my
thoughts are that if you're in your late twenties early thirties,
you have no idea what Dan Marina was all about
except for YouTube highlights. That's like asking me about Roman
Gabriel for right out loud. Right, So it's amazing how
freaking old we're getting. And then number two, I mean,
I totally agree with you I mean, you know, I
think that a lot of people look at guys like
Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson as runners and all that stuff,
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and Josh Allen, but these guys are also pretty damn
good throwing the football too, man. And I don't know,
I mean, I was asking you earlier, is there an
example of a guy who had the exact issues you know,
lack of a better term, that Jalen Milroe has right
now and was able to once that person got to
the NFL, fix them and turn them into you know,
(23:34):
a decent, you know, long upper half career quarterback in
the National Football League. I mean people have mentioned Josh Allen.
I mean Josh Allen fifty six percent as a senior
at Wyoming. I don't know if he had the same
issues that Jalen Milroe hads, though, just because the completion
percentage was low doesn't mean that Josh had the same
issues that Milroe had a year ago. You'd be better
(23:57):
equipped to answer that than I would. But is there
an example? I mean, you know, just all your quarterbacks study,
do you do? You do you know of anybody similar
to Milroe as a passer who was able to correct it?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And thrive in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Well, first of all, if before I die, I just hope,
you know, you know, I just I just hope that
when we discuss quarterbacks and whether they're accurate, I just
hope before I die that we stop referencing it by
completion percentage, because completion percentage is far more likely to
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reflect a quarterback's aggressiveness than it is as accuracy.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, well, Josh, So if you tell me a quarterback's
fifty six percent and then another one is sixty six
percent or seventy six percent, I want to know the
seventy six. Like you know, Tudar standards, he had seventy
four percent. He had one hundred and sixty eight pass
attempts behind the line of scrimmage this year. That was
number one and in all of FBS. So it's it's
(25:02):
it's far more likely a statement about somebody's aggressiveness. Now
I'm not saying that it And by the way, as
it correlates to winning, it's it's load to moderate. It
has a forced eighteen correlation where you have other things
like the new new stats coming out EPA, the QBR,
(25:23):
the new QBR, even the old passer rating has has
correlations well over six hundred, and we're talking about a
completion percentage that has, you know, in the low four
hundreds on correlation and.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Doesn't reflect what the context in which people usually use it.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So fifty six percent doesn't tell you how accurate or
inaccurate Josh Allen does the tape does right. And so
to answer your question, yeah, Mar Jackson, Okay, I'll just
close it up, Mar Jackson. Bill Pollian sabotage himself in
many ways. This is Hall of fame GM that that
(26:02):
built Super Bowl teams on three teams, Carolina, Buffalo, Indianapolis.
And he said kind of at the end of his
public UH analysis period, he said that Lamar Jackson, she
should be turned into a wide receiver. Like that's as
bad as you can Bill switch positions.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I mean Bill O'Brien, Sorry, Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, And and so you know, and and look, I
can understand how some people can strew that as a
as a racist comment. So these are some these are
some issues that that there's a.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Lot of tentacles to this.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I would just say this, I think Lamar Jackson's in
the category of guys that that didn't throw well apparently
at Louisville. Even though he won a Heisman, he didn't
seem to have in some people's eyes, including Bill Pollian,
that he didn't have the throw the requisite throwing acumen
that you would expect from an NFL quarterback. He proved
(27:05):
he did, But I would say that if you said,
pistol to my temple, who needs more work? Lamar Jackson
coming out of Louisville or Jalen Milroll coming out out
of Alabama, I would say Jalen Milroe coming.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Out of al got it. Let's get a break.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
We'll come back with some texts, and then John Wilder
is going to join us and recap the entire thing
from a Big ten PAC twelve perspective.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Husky Spring game is on Friday night at you Dub.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Johnny joins at five o'clock right here on ninety three
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